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With that dock and any 60 series or lower gpu the best, cheapest and cleanest setup is using that Dell laptop charger. You can but them for like $30 and then you no longer need the PSU
4090 loses roughly 5-6% performance on PCIE gen4 x4 so it would still be adequate for OcuLink. The reason why you would want to avoid it however is that if you decide to fully utilize it with path tracing for example in Cyberpunk, you will observe much lower 1% FPS due to bandwidth constraints. For normal raster gameplay, the performance is similar in most cases I've tested it.
Running a miniPC as a main gig and plugging an eGPU in, when you want to play a game that the iGPU won't handle, it saves a TON of electricity. I leave my main PC running all day, generally, and running the miniPC saved nearly $100/month
@@yissnakklives8866 you can go a step further - for general web browsing and video consumption you can set up custom power profiles limiting TDP to 8-15W and still be perfectly fine. For in-house I set up my main monstrous gaming PC for Sunshine streaming with Wake-on-LAN and connect via Moonlight from Intel N97 based miniPC that runs 24/7 and sips anywhere between 2 and 15W... or a smartphone for some toilet/bed action 👀
@dbrex9533 a PC consisting of 7950X3D and 7900XTX running 24/7 and idling/office work for half a day and about 4h of demanding gaming (as in firing on all cylinders that tax the hardware) costs me exactly £56* (or roughly 70USD according to the current exchange rate) a month to run based on electricity cost of 24p per kWh 🤷🏻🙃 *-measured at the wall socket, excluding peripherals and triple monitor setup
A good thing about this setup, it is going to be very easy to deal with the dust. No hard to reach places, no unplugging, etc. Of course you might get more dust anyway, but whatever. I really like this combination. Thanks for the video.
I have this mini pC and love it. I had no idea it could be as powerful as my regular PC setup. I don't have a need for a graphics card because the graphics on this are perfect for my occasional rendering. Thanks. Interesting video.
Se how there's only 5 wires going into the dock? You could easily make your own much smaller cable by removing all the leads on the motherboard connecter cable other than the ones required by those 5. You could even slot them straight into the connector that plugs into the dock after removing the original wires and ditch the extension (and probably cut them shorter in the process) for a much cleaner setup - the pin tool to remove the pins from the plastic connectors is cheap and easy to use or you can even use a small safety pin if you have more patience and less money. You could also make your own metal frame to mount the GPU and PSU on, or a simple wooden tray, to keep everything together and neat.
Mini PC's have a come along way in the last year or so. Some come with docking stations that can support the Mini PC and the GPU the only down side is the PCI interface between the Mini PC and Docking station is only PCIe X8. Saying that what is the transfer rate of the OCuLink in comparison to a PCIe- X16?
i am data analyst, and also ethical hacker, i was searching a way to carry a setup without the need to buy an expensive laptop, also i did not wanted to buy an expensive laptop because changing parts and the repairment is bllsht so i was looking for a mini pc with a compatible way to connect it to a gpu, even if it has lower capabilities but the maintenance is better than to do it to a laptop, and this is mostly what i was searching, i use linux so i will not be playing on that, but sometimes i need to run an AI to do some tests or to compute graphics like using OpenCV with python or pySpark, so this is a very clean setup for me, without having to deal with a tower pc and its maintenance.
@@materialvision i do not know, i still have not purchased this setup, i need to buy it first, you can check online and give back the computer if it does not work with linux, only if you ask the store if it give you warranty about the use of the OS.
If the DC plug input is expecting 12v (as opposed to 19v), you could use a DC supply like a Mean Well from Amazon (under $30) and that's considerably cheaper than an ATX supply. Supposing 8.5A was enough current for the 12v, Amazon item B00M8TBJLK for example is a 150W supply and only $20. But I'm guessing the required voltage might be 19v, so you'd have to add a buck-boost regulator or similar. Couldn't tell from the Ali Express page which voltage it wants, but maybe I just overlooked it.
I think this could be elegant solution with little bit modification like swapping the power supply to using external power brick like the one's on dell laptop and using smaller low profile gpu like 4060 lp. In fact why not making a video about it?
i just got the k8 plus which is essentially the same as this m7 but with a better cpu...i may try this down the road. i didn't know they sell docks and gpu's on etsy.👍
@razor-b2d so far so good. One thing of note is that there is a performance setting that needs to be "enabled" as it comes disabled by default...and the PC comes in the "quiet" setting which is the lowest setting... Very easy to miss since you can increase the performance and tdp in the bios but the k8 will show you that change but not register that change unless you enable this particular setting that's located in window's setting under "power and battery".... Using a PC monitor that shows actual performance and tdp wattage will confirm this...it took me over a week to figure this out as someone pointed out on Reddit that my PC is underperforming as I had it out of the box.
i don't understand something here, can someone explain please, when it shows that GPU is at 93% usage and CPU at 27% and he say he's CPU limited, how is that when the cpu is not even struggling and GPU is almost maxed out? shouldnt he say he's bandwith limited ? OCuLink is not sending enough bandwith faster ?!
CPU might be the limiting factor because it can’t keep up with the demands of the application, even if its overall usage seems low. This can happen due to inefficiencies in how the application uses the CPU or because certain tasks are heavily reliant on single-thread performance.
Maybe you figured this out in 4 days lol. But essentially that cpu percentage is an average of all cores. Even if it's showing 20-30 percent util one or two cores are usually pinned to 100% and that is what causes a "bottle neck". TLDR: if you look at individual core usage and see one or more cores pinned that's your "bottle neck"
while it is cool, having to use a power supply makes it kinda redundant since it would be better to just build a minipc. but using a power adapter would at least make it a better choice.
You missed the point. A mini PC is expensive. Yes you can just build a tiny PC. But for how much? Bro take a sec and think. There's always that guy saying "you can't just do this".
Is there a way to change the amount of RAM allocated to the integrated iGPU? I thought that I saw it somewhere. I know that I could in the SER5 Max, which I returned. It died after 3 days. Side note - if you're considering this or the Belink SER5 Max, I'm much happier with the M7. had to pay about $50 Cdn more but it was worth it. Besides better specs, GMKTEC has all of the drivers and an image available for download. A clean install was painless. I suggest a Xanax or a gummie before you try that on the Beelink. And you need to do it. Out of the box, it wouldn't update past 21H2, which us no longer supported. Windows Update blocks Beelink devices. They know about it but don't do anything about it.
Are you sure about that? I have the ser4 and get all the windows updates... as far as the ram goes, yes you can change it in the bios. I just put in 32gb of ram in my ser4 so I can play spiderman without hiccups and I increased it from 533mb that it was using to 8gb...maybe you just caught a bad PC....I've had my ser4 going on 3 yrs now and I'm quite amazed that it could run spiderman remastered smoothly on low settings.... Needless to say, it prompted me to get a better PC if I plan on buying PC games now so I just picked up the gmktec k8 plus to replace my ser4 for $400 on Amazon (with coupons and credit card rebates)...I doubt I'll need an external GPU anytime soon from the reviews I've seen for it.
I have ser6 max and I still get updates. I also went into the bios to mess with the fan curve and overstock my cpu and it rips! I also have a 3080ti egpu on the adtlink k43 straight to my m.2 PCIe 4 x4 Ser5 was taken off market for faulty hardware so I'm guessing you had one
Another 50 to 100 ? Adding three more hundred and i have an rtx 4060 laptop havinh an monitor extra, keyboard and trackpad just in case. I like this setup but having all this externals makes it hard to carry around.
budget pc ????!!!!😅😅😅😅 more than 500 dollars for this !!!! budget??? are you rich and s..... put your gpu in real mother board with good cpu for thus price and have a real pc gamer
@@robbates4704 yes and no. Entirely depends on the GPU and PSU chosen as well as the use case - HDPlex or even FLEX U1 size PSU with 4070 Super FE is much more portable than 4090 and ATX with a bunch of stock length cables. For me it is easier to pack GPU, the dock with integrated PSU and GPD WinMax 2 laptop when traveling - because even if overall volume is larger than my miniITX build in A24-V5 case (flex PSU, 7500F, low profile 4060 - you can't get any smaller than that, 5L case), being able to take it as individual components of various size and shape that weight less total make it significantly more convenient for packing. Of course the contained portable eGPU units exist but they're significantly more expensive and worse performant - most of them are 7600M based which is... quite abysmal for the price and there is no upgrading at any point in the future. Upcoming 7800M eGPU modules have absolutely wild pricetags that would land you desktop 7900XTX or 4070 Ti Super 🤷🏻 Building a normal desktop will always be cheaper and while something like Lian Li A3-mATX is quite compact (going ITX ramps up the price significantly and limits your GPU choices dramatically), you won't be able to fit it into your backpack or on-board luggage. Also another thing, these miniPCs are quite powerful beasts on their own (they can run almost any emulator game including up to Switch and run an overwhelming majority of pre-2020 games with acceptable framerates, so even if one never intends to use eGPU with it, having it as an option to fall back onto down the line in the future with 2nd hand components (3060 12GB costs like £160 nowadays) is nice to have without the need to change all pieces of the puzzle - until CPU becomes completely inadequate.
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With that dock and any 60 series or lower gpu the best, cheapest and cleanest setup is using that Dell laptop charger. You can but them for like $30 and then you no longer need the PSU
4090 loses roughly 5-6% performance on PCIE gen4 x4 so it would still be adequate for OcuLink. The reason why you would want to avoid it however is that if you decide to fully utilize it with path tracing for example in Cyberpunk, you will observe much lower 1% FPS due to bandwidth constraints. For normal raster gameplay, the performance is similar in most cases I've tested it.
thats because ithas 24gb if you try a 8gb gpu it will loose alot
Running a miniPC as a main gig and plugging an eGPU in, when you want to play a game that the iGPU won't handle, it saves a TON of electricity. I leave my main PC running all day, generally, and running the miniPC saved nearly $100/month
@@yissnakklives8866 you can go a step further - for general web browsing and video consumption you can set up custom power profiles limiting TDP to 8-15W and still be perfectly fine. For in-house I set up my main monstrous gaming PC for Sunshine streaming with Wake-on-LAN and connect via Moonlight from Intel N97 based miniPC that runs 24/7 and sips anywhere between 2 and 15W... or a smartphone for some toilet/bed action 👀
Do you mean 10?
@dbrex9533 a PC consisting of 7950X3D and 7900XTX running 24/7 and idling/office work for half a day and about 4h of demanding gaming (as in firing on all cylinders that tax the hardware) costs me exactly £56* (or roughly 70USD according to the current exchange rate) a month to run based on electricity cost of 24p per kWh 🤷🏻🙃
*-measured at the wall socket, excluding peripherals and triple monitor setup
Getting a laptop is the best performance /power ratio
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A good thing about this setup, it is going to be very easy to deal with the dust. No hard to reach places, no unplugging, etc. Of course you might get more dust anyway, but whatever.
I really like this combination.
Thanks for the video.
I'm glad to say we're getting closer and closer to the ideal setup imo.
I have this mini pC and love it. I had no idea it could be as powerful as my regular PC setup. I don't have a need for a graphics card because the graphics on this are perfect for my occasional rendering. Thanks. Interesting video.
Thanks for this vid!! Im planning an occulink mount but will probably go with the Minisforum DEG1.
Same. I have the K8 Plus. DEG1 is my choice also. You decided on a GPU yet? I'm undecided on the best approach.
very cool, will be awesome to see more of these stuff
Any chance of you testing out adapting this to run off of, say, a 350watt 12v adapter (laptop power brick type) ? That would be awesome!
No can't do.
If u use that DC port, the GPU power is limited to 150w and that 8Pin only support 220w if u use adaptor and not normal PSU
I’m so desperate at this point that I think I’m gonna do this
Se how there's only 5 wires going into the dock? You could easily make your own much smaller cable by removing all the leads on the motherboard connecter cable other than the ones required by those 5. You could even slot them straight into the connector that plugs into the dock after removing the original wires and ditch the extension (and probably cut them shorter in the process) for a much cleaner setup - the pin tool to remove the pins from the plastic connectors is cheap and easy to use or you can even use a small safety pin if you have more patience and less money. You could also make your own metal frame to mount the GPU and PSU on, or a simple wooden tray, to keep everything together and neat.
Thank you!
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I kind of like this bootleg frankenstein gaming PC setup
Mini PC's have a come along way in the last year or so. Some come with docking stations that can support the Mini PC and the GPU the only down side is the PCI interface between the Mini PC and Docking station is only PCIe X8. Saying that what is the transfer rate of the OCuLink in comparison to a PCIe- X16?
Your audio "mutes" out a lot, so it sounds like there are holes in the audio.
Yeah it sounds f ked
Awesome 👍❤
i thought this was eta prime for sec
lol right?
i am data analyst, and also ethical hacker, i was searching a way to carry a setup without the need to buy an expensive laptop, also i did not wanted to buy an expensive laptop because changing parts and the repairment is bllsht so i was looking for a mini pc with a compatible way to connect it to a gpu, even if it has lower capabilities but the maintenance is better than to do it to a laptop, and this is mostly what i was searching, i use linux so i will not be playing on that, but sometimes i need to run an AI to do some tests or to compute graphics like using OpenCV with python or pySpark, so this is a very clean setup for me, without having to deal with a tower pc and its maintenance.
Is installing linux on this setup easy, or will there be some driver issues with the oculink? Do you know?
Bro if you only need a bit of extra compute now and again. Just use one of the cloud platforms to run what ever you need.
@@materialvision i do not know, i still have not purchased this setup, i need to buy it first, you can check online and give back the computer if it does not work with linux, only if you ask the store if it give you warranty about the use of the OS.
I would check out using a mobile PSU and the barrel connector. Might make this build truly portable.
Can you make a video of mini pc vs desktop pc with same gpu... pros and cons thank you
Does the Geekom A8 also have an OCuLink port?
Frankly, if one is going to do gaming, wants a small footprint and look nice, an ITX build will be the best balance.
If the DC plug input is expecting 12v (as opposed to 19v), you could use a DC supply like a Mean Well from Amazon (under $30) and that's considerably cheaper than an ATX supply. Supposing 8.5A was enough current for the 12v, Amazon item B00M8TBJLK for example is a 150W supply and only $20. But I'm guessing the required voltage might be 19v, so you'd have to add a buck-boost regulator or similar. Couldn't tell from the Ali Express page which voltage it wants, but maybe I just overlooked it.
that egpu, is there a dedicated psu cable? i don't want to lug a atx psu around
wow nice small pc
Can you repost a video with Stalker 2 on this setup?
Smaller PC case should do the job too : )
I would need a box to put in all the little boxes.
Buying a traditional PC case to keep your bootleg mini pc gaming rig would be funny
I think this could be elegant solution with little bit modification like swapping the power supply to using external power brick like the one's on dell laptop and using smaller low profile gpu like 4060 lp.
In fact why not making a video about it?
i wonder if there's a way of using this set up with a 7800XT?
Yes, this is what I'm doing
I think you could use whatever GPU you wanted as long as you got a power supply that could handle it.
great solution for van life
It's great that you're giving the FPS but what resolution are you running the games at?
420p
just looking for a better power and enclosure and this would be a killer setup. at least for the space constrained ...
i just got the k8 plus which is essentially the same as this m7 but with a better cpu...i may try this down the road. i didn't know they sell docks and gpu's on etsy.👍
how is the k8 plus
@razor-b2d so far so good. One thing of note is that there is a performance setting that needs to be "enabled" as it comes disabled by default...and the PC comes in the "quiet" setting which is the lowest setting... Very easy to miss since you can increase the performance and tdp in the bios but the k8 will show you that change but not register that change unless you enable this particular setting that's located in window's setting under "power and battery".... Using a PC monitor that shows actual performance and tdp wattage will confirm this...it took me over a week to figure this out as someone pointed out on Reddit that my PC is underperforming as I had it out of the box.
I love janky solutions, you know its maybe not look pretty but its works kind of thing, but wasnt this defeat the purpose for having Mini PC?
I guess if you're really limited in space and don't play games that need a discrete gpu often it might be useful?
i don't understand something here, can someone explain please, when it shows that GPU is at 93% usage and CPU at 27% and he say he's CPU limited, how is that when the cpu is not even struggling and GPU is almost maxed out? shouldnt he say he's bandwith limited ? OCuLink is not sending enough bandwith faster ?!
CPU might be the limiting factor because it can’t keep up with the demands of the application, even if its overall usage seems low. This can happen due to inefficiencies in how the application uses the CPU or because certain tasks are heavily reliant on single-thread performance.
Yeah its that egpu base, if you get 1 make sure its the adtlink k43sg series for $20 more and PCIe 4.0 instead of PCIe 2.0(/3.0 possibly) like his
Maybe you figured this out in 4 days lol. But essentially that cpu percentage is an average of all cores. Even if it's showing 20-30 percent util one or two cores are usually pinned to 100% and that is what causes a "bottle neck".
TLDR: if you look at individual core usage and see one or more cores pinned that's your "bottle neck"
while it is cool, having to use a power supply makes it kinda redundant since it would be better to just build a minipc. but using a power adapter would at least make it a better choice.
You missed the point. A mini PC is expensive. Yes you can just build a tiny PC. But for how much? Bro take a sec and think. There's always that guy saying "you can't just do this".
Cool
Is there a way to change the amount of RAM allocated to the integrated iGPU? I thought that I saw it somewhere. I know that I could in the SER5 Max, which I returned. It died after 3 days.
Side note - if you're considering this or the Belink SER5 Max, I'm much happier with the M7. had to pay about $50 Cdn more but it was worth it. Besides better specs, GMKTEC has all of the drivers and an image available for download. A clean install was painless. I suggest a Xanax or a gummie before you try that on the Beelink. And you need to do it. Out of the box, it wouldn't update past 21H2, which us no longer supported. Windows Update blocks Beelink devices. They know about it but don't do anything about it.
Are you sure about that? I have the ser4 and get all the windows updates...
as far as the ram goes, yes you can change it in the bios. I just put in 32gb of ram in my ser4 so I can play spiderman without hiccups and I increased it from 533mb that it was using to 8gb...maybe you just caught a bad PC....I've had my ser4 going on 3 yrs now and I'm quite amazed that it could run spiderman remastered smoothly on low settings....
Needless to say, it prompted me to get a better PC if I plan on buying PC games now so I just picked up the gmktec k8 plus to replace my ser4 for $400 on Amazon (with coupons and credit card rebates)...I doubt I'll need an external GPU anytime soon from the reviews I've seen for it.
I have ser6 max and I still get updates. I also went into the bios to mess with the fan curve and overstock my cpu and it rips! I also have a 3080ti egpu on the adtlink k43 straight to my m.2 PCIe 4 x4
Ser5 was taken off market for faulty hardware so I'm guessing you had one
this mini plus graphics card < m4 max
It's Janky Chic
The moment you use a desktop PSU, then you might as well build a full PC. For fun and experiment, this is good. For daily use, nah.
Another 50 to 100 ? Adding three more hundred and i have an rtx 4060 laptop havinh an monitor extra, keyboard and trackpad just in case. I like this setup but having all this externals makes it hard to carry around.
54. The only thing budget about Gmk is their customer service. Don’t buy Gmktec!
budget pc ????!!!!😅😅😅😅 more than 500 dollars for this !!!! budget??? are you rich and s..... put your gpu in real mother board with good cpu for thus price and have a real pc gamer
fsr is trash
For $120 more a way better PC could be built
That is true but the size comes at a premium. It is what it is.
@@Micromationyeah, but the size benefit is reduced when you have the GPU and PSU sitting next to it.
@@robbates4704 yes and no. Entirely depends on the GPU and PSU chosen as well as the use case - HDPlex or even FLEX U1 size PSU with 4070 Super FE is much more portable than 4090 and ATX with a bunch of stock length cables. For me it is easier to pack GPU, the dock with integrated PSU and GPD WinMax 2 laptop when traveling - because even if overall volume is larger than my miniITX build in A24-V5 case (flex PSU, 7500F, low profile 4060 - you can't get any smaller than that, 5L case), being able to take it as individual components of various size and shape that weight less total make it significantly more convenient for packing. Of course the contained portable eGPU units exist but they're significantly more expensive and worse performant - most of them are 7600M based which is... quite abysmal for the price and there is no upgrading at any point in the future. Upcoming 7800M eGPU modules have absolutely wild pricetags that would land you desktop 7900XTX or 4070 Ti Super 🤷🏻 Building a normal desktop will always be cheaper and while something like Lian Li A3-mATX is quite compact (going ITX ramps up the price significantly and limits your GPU choices dramatically), you won't be able to fit it into your backpack or on-board luggage. Also another thing, these miniPCs are quite powerful beasts on their own (they can run almost any emulator game including up to Switch and run an overwhelming majority of pre-2020 games with acceptable framerates, so even if one never intends to use eGPU with it, having it as an option to fall back onto down the line in the future with 2nd hand components (3060 12GB costs like £160 nowadays) is nice to have without the need to change all pieces of the puzzle - until CPU becomes completely inadequate.
Instead of "open PC" you may buy a real PC! Seriously!
Yeah, a crappy one that cost $100 a month in electricy!
these setups will never make sense when gaming laptops exist. B U Y A L A P T O P