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For server/virtualization hosts N100 is beast. I ripped out G3 out of it's chassis. Removed stock blower cooler. Put on high performance thermo pads. Added two 25x25mm pure copper heatsing and slow big usb fan under it. It is silent and won't throttle under full load. Then you can convert wifi slot to 2x SATA or NVME 1x and normal NVME slot for 6x SATA or 10Gbe NIC. And it is rock solid despite looking frankesteiny
The N95/N97/N100 class are perfect for a bog standard PC for browsing, running office applications at home, that kind of thing. They're also great as lightweight servers for pi-hole, Plex (very good encode/decode support built in), home automation, etc. They have at least a couple of niches in which they excel, especially for home use, because anything more is just overkill. They're even pretty good at emulation as long as you temper your expectations about their capabilities.
What? the N series are weak, annoyingly slow and doesn't matter how you want to fit forcebly into customer's needs It doesn't run well to meet any useful demand
@@PabloHarguindey - They allow you to do standard "office and web browsing" without lag spikes for under $150. If you want to play Skyrim: Special Edition at 45+ FPS at 1080p medium, then you need at least Radeon 660m graphics which will run closer to $300. Anything in-between those two is a waste of money. You don't need that extra performance (that you paid for) for office and web browsing, and it's not good enough for gaming.
I recently grabbed a used thinkpad on ebay for $210 with a 5500U and 16b ram,. I was looking on amazon at a newlaptop with N100 and 16gb ram, but it was $290 and a chinese brand I never heard of.
Thank you for explaining in a straight forward way why a N100 will not be enough to work as my living room media PC. All other reviews I have seen just mention that they work perfectly fine for streaming 4K video and then goes on testing games that I will never play, while I need something that is not on full load all the time.
Everything has it's own advantages and dis-advantages. I have been using Mele quieter 3q with M5105/8GB/256GB and I can say it was really capable for home/office use - extremely low energy consumption was a bonus - I have had 2x 4K screens connected via HDMI. I'm not playing any games... Maybe not any but only few. Games I'm playing are Kmahjongg, KPatience, Kmines, Naval Battle, Ksudoku and Aisleriot I have been then using it also as PiHole, then Proxmox server and then HTPC for a while as well and was really capable. 1080p, no issues at all. A bit sluggish on initial loading in 4K but once loaded, it was smooth. I have to mention that I have been using Linux and not Windows (Windows experience is not that great on it). I still own that Mele PC and using it as a platform for my online learning. If I have to be honest, I could be perfectly fine if It have to be my main PC. Everything depends on what you need and expect. One of my friends used to be saying that one person will be happy with a Fiat Punto when the other person will need a tank....
@@jasonk9040 My living room PC need to be a trick of all trades. Probably what some would use a main PC for. Streaming 4K 60fps, streaming Apple Music, Spotify and various other music apps, browsing/streaming the web in various browsers, downloading large files from the Interwebs without choking. Not necessesarily all things at the same time, but being able to multi task without being on full load all the time, like the seven year old NUC it replaced.
@@springbay1 nothing you described sounds like something an n100 setup would struggle to do, intel quicksync is very performant even on these little boxes and will crunch multiple 4k60 transcodes simultaneously
The G3 is a lovely machine, when I bought it it was 99€ barebones. Ofc back then the 5500u was a bit pricey, but its good to see an update now that prices have changed. Great coverage as always!
I just bought a Beelink N100 16 GB Pro S. I have absolutely no complaints. It does what I want and more. I paid £220. Most of my use is data transfer and streaming (Ahem - torrenting - ahem), but also gaming. You know when they say "for such a little box its ok"? Well not this time. This little box rocks on its own terms! N100, 16GB, 500GB SSD... Stand alone its a pretty good gaming PC. AND can do all the business stuff (I'm a global douchebag IT guy). And Win 11 pre installed, thats a plus.
The only thing i do is stream videos and movies and the mini pc i got has 1.1ghz and can go up to 2.8ghz if need so hoping that will work out for me and has no fan and only runs at 6 watts with 8 gb of ram 256gb of down loads.
If you buy one of these mini PCs, I strongly suggest that you take it apart and put some fresh paste on on the cooler. That brought my temps down 40 degrees (C) on a brand new mini PC. I was previously getting temps in the 90s on the same PC brand new right out of the box. The factory paste didn't look bad and wasn't dried out but something obviously wasn't right.
What paste, are you suggesting and also I have no idea what that even is? I'm just getting into many people he sees, and i'm looking to set one up, but have no idea how
@@MilyxxMily If you don't know what thermal paste is, I would advise you to go looking for instructional videos on replacing thermal paste on a mini PC. There should be at least a few on YT. Otherwise, it is probably not something you want to attempt yourself if you don't know what you're doing.
@humanvideosponge4529 i don't know anything about mini pc etc but I'm trying to understand it now. My kids want sobering that will run roblox without lag etc. I know don't lag can Hakeem from over heat. Do you have any mini pc suggestions to buy that will easily run roblox? I'm looking to buy a mini pc and portable monitor 🙏🏼 Thanks in advance!
Today on Amazon there's only a $40 difference between the G3 and the W04 R5 5500. Considering the performance difference, the R5 (2x RAM and SSD) seems to be the obvious choice unless you're really constrained on power.
@@kurtwinter4422 - Not very well. The N97 should be able to handle most of the classic games, but the 5500u will choke on a game like Skyrim. There was a pretty large leap in graphics demands at the time, and there aren't many games the 5500u can play well that the N97 would struggle with. The real benefit to cheap Ryzen mini PCs is the extra CPU power, and that's more for professional software or home server.
Windows is not designed to be used as a media center, Android is far more usable for streaming, using a remote, etc. you need a keyboard and mouse for this.
The 2nd NIC makes turning it into a firewall easier. The gig enet ports is not a big deal either since not many of us have more than a gig from our internet service provider.
What about a used or discounted 5800h ? My n100 started dropping the connection to Wi-Fi but that was whilst copying 50 GB photos from Android to external USB with loads of tabs and PDFs open on 2 4k displays ! It's a16gb though
Ok here it is. You are comparing an 8Gb system with a 16 Gb system. Add another 8 Gb to the N100 PC and run the tests again. You be surprised how different now the benchmarks are
Nobody (well, I hope nobody) buys a G3 for gaming. It's an ideal little machine to install proxmox on with Truenas and Plex etc. The low power consumption and the thermals make it ideal for running it 24/7 as a home server.
Any machine with only 1G networking, no matter how many NICs it has, has to be an instant "pass." Not only is the G3 2.5Gb, but it's an INTEL 2.5Gb NIC. If your application requires faster connectivity or an Intel NIC, there is no choice here.
I'd rather have an extra $100 tariff if it means we actually have American manufacturing, and we already have several chip makers planning to open plants here. Besides I should save plenty from gas to pay double for all of the cheap garbage I buy. Also tariffs will be on the supplier price not the final retail price, so it'll probably be much less on most things than people expect.
@@DarthTinderalla-qm9zw The problem is, like most Trump supporters, You are proud to be ignorant and You have no idea about what you are talking about. From Wiki: "Taiwan plays a crucial role in the global semiconductor industry, with Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) being the world’s largest independent semiconductor foundry. Here are key points about Taiwan’s CPU manufacturing: Dominance: Taiwan produces over 60% of the world’s semiconductors and over 90% of the most advanced ones, with TSMC accounting for the majority of this output. TSMC: As the world’s largest foundry, TSMC manufactures chips for major technology firms such as Apple, Qualcomm, and Nvidia. It has expanded its operations outside of Taiwan, opening new facilities in Japan and the United States, with plans for further expansion into Germany. Apple’s 5nm ARM processors: TSMC is the manufacturer selected for production of Apple’s 5nm ARM processors, with plans to transition the entire Mac lineup to Arm-based processors. Global dependence: The world is heavily reliant on Taiwan for semiconductors, with TSMC’s contract manufacturers accounting for over 60% of total global foundry revenue. Economic significance: Semiconductors make up 15% of Taiwan’s GDP, with TSMC being a critical component of the country’s economy." The retailer will pass 100% of the tariff to the consumer.
@@DarthTinderalla-qm9zw Not absolutely sure how you come to the conclusion that tariffs and low Gas prices are linked. The US is currently the worlds largest oil producer and yet Gas prices are still high? (P.S if you think they are high in the US look at Europe).It's not imports increasing the cost of your Gas, it's greedy producers who know you have no choice but to be scalped by them in the current economy. As for your assertion that tariffs would be applied at the supplier price and not the retail price so would probably be lower than people expect. You know this how? It completely depends on how a tariff is applied and we don't have the details. It's quite possible (and already happens in practice) that it's applied as a form of sales tax or increased rate on an existing sales tax so yes, it absolutely can apply on the full retail price. But just to be absolutely clear, I'm not necessarily anti Tariff. They have their place if dealing with a competing economy that is actively "dumping" products or commodities that your own can produce or if you want to encourage your own sectors of an economy to develop against an existing lower cost competitor. What tariff aren't though is a Hammer when you need a screwdriver and they certainly DO cost the consumer. That was my initial point; Trump lied when he said it would be other Countries not Americans paying the tariffs he is going to apply and people believed him. Yours is a different position to that I was arguing against. You seem to accept that tariffs will cost you but does everyone? I would say they bloody well should do and should have took the trouble to find out BEFORE the election.
The Peladn would be a bad choice, because it's the best of nothing. The GMKtec is very low power, super cheap, enough for simple tasks. Nobody buys that to run Steam. The Peladn isn't very good at gaming, if you want to run Steam just save some more money and buy something more serious. It uses to much power for what it does. I would however look for a GMKtec with 16GB
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For server/virtualization hosts N100 is beast. I ripped out G3 out of it's chassis. Removed stock blower cooler. Put on high performance thermo pads. Added two 25x25mm pure copper heatsing and slow big usb fan under it. It is silent and won't throttle under full load. Then you can convert wifi slot to 2x SATA or NVME 1x and normal NVME slot for 6x SATA or 10Gbe NIC. And it is rock solid despite looking frankesteiny
The N95/N97/N100 class are perfect for a bog standard PC for browsing, running office applications at home, that kind of thing. They're also great as lightweight servers for pi-hole, Plex (very good encode/decode support built in), home automation, etc. They have at least a couple of niches in which they excel, especially for home use, because anything more is just overkill. They're even pretty good at emulation as long as you temper your expectations about their capabilities.
Sometimes the extra headroom is literally unused and makes no sense to buy. You’re right
What? the N series are weak, annoyingly slow and doesn't matter how you want to fit forcebly into customer's needs It doesn't run well to meet any useful demand
@@PabloHarguindey - They allow you to do standard "office and web browsing" without lag spikes for under $150. If you want to play Skyrim: Special Edition at 45+ FPS at 1080p medium, then you need at least Radeon 660m graphics which will run closer to $300. Anything in-between those two is a waste of money. You don't need that extra performance (that you paid for) for office and web browsing, and it's not good enough for gaming.
Yes. I chose this way to run Home Assistant. Rock solid and very quiet.
I recently grabbed a used thinkpad on ebay for $210 with a 5500U and 16b ram,. I was looking on amazon at a newlaptop with N100 and 16gb ram, but it was $290 and a chinese brand I never heard of.
Thank you for explaining in a straight forward way why a N100 will not be enough to work as my living room media PC. All other reviews I have seen just mention that they work perfectly fine for streaming 4K video and then goes on testing games that I will never play, while I need something that is not on full load all the time.
Everything has it's own advantages and dis-advantages. I have been using Mele quieter 3q with M5105/8GB/256GB and I can say it was really capable for home/office use - extremely low energy consumption was a bonus - I have had 2x 4K screens connected via HDMI. I'm not playing any games... Maybe not any but only few. Games I'm playing are Kmahjongg, KPatience, Kmines, Naval Battle, Ksudoku and Aisleriot
I have been then using it also as PiHole, then Proxmox server and then HTPC for a while as well and was really capable. 1080p, no issues at all. A bit sluggish on initial loading in 4K but once loaded, it was smooth. I have to mention that I have been using Linux and not Windows (Windows experience is not that great on it). I still own that Mele PC and using it as a platform for my online learning. If I have to be honest, I could be perfectly fine if It have to be my main PC. Everything depends on what you need and expect. One of my friends used to be saying that one person will be happy with a Fiat Punto when the other person will need a tank....
How does this video show you cannot use the N100 as a living room media PC?
@@jasonk9040 My living room PC need to be a trick of all trades. Probably what some would use a main PC for. Streaming 4K 60fps, streaming Apple Music, Spotify and various other music apps, browsing/streaming the web in various browsers, downloading large files from the Interwebs without choking. Not necessesarily all things at the same time, but being able to multi task without being on full load all the time, like the seven year old NUC it replaced.
@@springbay1 nothing you described sounds like something an n100 setup would struggle to do, intel quicksync is very performant even on these little boxes and will crunch multiple 4k60 transcodes simultaneously
@@screwthishi5thing Did you even watch the video?
I got a GMKtec for $138 for my mom. Its mostly gonna be use for office work, playing bills online, printing docs.
The G3 is a lovely machine, when I bought it it was 99€ barebones.
Ofc back then the 5500u was a bit pricey, but its good to see an update now that prices have changed.
Great coverage as always!
Prices have definitely gone up the n100 I got this year was nearer £100 with 16 gig memory
I was against 4 cores 4 threads, 10 years ago.
Good video.
I just bought a Beelink N100 16 GB Pro S. I have absolutely no complaints. It does what I want and more. I paid £220. Most of my use is data transfer and streaming (Ahem - torrenting - ahem), but also gaming. You know when they say "for such a little box its ok"? Well not this time. This little box rocks on its own terms! N100, 16GB, 500GB SSD... Stand alone its a pretty good gaming PC. AND can do all the business stuff (I'm a global douchebag IT guy). And Win 11 pre installed, thats a plus.
I did not hear it mentioned. on the G3, the second m.2 slot is sata - not pcie - so it is not only smaller in size, but slower.
The only thing i do is stream videos and movies and the mini pc i got has 1.1ghz and can go up to 2.8ghz if need so hoping that will work out for me and has no fan and only runs at 6 watts with 8 gb of ram 256gb of down loads.
If you buy one of these mini PCs, I strongly suggest that you take it apart and put some fresh paste on on the cooler. That brought my temps down 40 degrees (C) on a brand new mini PC. I was previously getting temps in the 90s on the same PC brand new right out of the box. The factory paste didn't look bad and wasn't dried out but something obviously wasn't right.
What paste, are you suggesting and also I have no idea what that even is? I'm just getting into many people he sees, and i'm looking to set one up, but have no idea how
@@MilyxxMily If you don't know what thermal paste is, I would advise you to go looking for instructional videos on replacing thermal paste on a mini PC. There should be at least a few on YT.
Otherwise, it is probably not something you want to attempt yourself if you don't know what you're doing.
@humanvideosponge4529 i don't know anything about mini pc etc but I'm trying to understand it now. My kids want sobering that will run roblox without lag etc. I know don't lag can Hakeem from over heat. Do you have any mini pc suggestions to buy that will easily run roblox? I'm looking to buy a mini pc and portable monitor 🙏🏼 Thanks in advance!
Today on Amazon there's only a $40 difference between the G3 and the W04 R5 5500. Considering the performance difference, the R5 (2x RAM and SSD) seems to be the obvious choice unless you're really constrained on power.
And the 5500u can game.
@@kurtwinter4422 - Not very well. The N97 should be able to handle most of the classic games, but the 5500u will choke on a game like Skyrim. There was a pretty large leap in graphics demands at the time, and there aren't many games the 5500u can play well that the N97 would struggle with. The real benefit to cheap Ryzen mini PCs is the extra CPU power, and that's more for professional software or home server.
Intel quicksync is still way better than an AMD cpu, if you use it as Plex server. So intel is a must, perhaps a cheap i5 still better
where are you finding the duel channel WO4? I can only find it in single channel
what fps would you get playing Black Mesa or HL2 on the WO4? Happy turkey day good video.
I just got a G3 with twice the Ram and storage as the one You tested here
I'm not a gamer either btw
Can either of them run Genshin impact even at medium settings?
Let alone stream and or local record?
N100 mini PC will outpower firesticks etc if used as TV box. What about noise and cooling?
Windows is not designed to be used as a media center, Android is far more usable for streaming, using a remote, etc. you need a keyboard and mouse for this.
@@hernanpayne1420 You can use wireless mini keyboard. I agree it's a little more awkward but, on the other hand, it's more powerful.
The 2nd NIC makes turning it into a firewall easier. The gig enet ports is not a big deal either since not many of us have more than a gig from our internet service provider.
Bro can u try path of exile 2 on ryzen 5500 u
What about a used or discounted 5800h ? My n100 started dropping the connection to Wi-Fi but that was whilst copying 50 GB photos from Android to external USB with loads of tabs and PDFs open on 2 4k displays ! It's a16gb though
How does a mini PC like this handle android Emulation?
Is the N100 good enough for that?
why is the n100 capped at 10 watt?
Nice video!
i'll get the g3 for the ole lady. she needs it for cricut only.
5500u is still good for basic tasks and basic gaming.
Ok here it is. You are comparing an 8Gb system with a 16 Gb system. Add another 8 Gb to the N100 PC and run the tests again. You be surprised how different now the benchmarks are
n100 is for use as a appliance.
Has anyone used an n100 to play magic arena? How does it handle?
Its crazy, but these days you can use your samsung phone and Dex as a PC for light work. :)
Consumer? I guess this video isn't for me, as I am a customer. And very pernickety one.
Nobody (well, I hope nobody) buys a G3 for gaming. It's an ideal little machine to install proxmox on with Truenas and Plex etc. The low power consumption and the thermals make it ideal for running it 24/7 as a home server.
it is a very nice machine for emulation (batocera or retrobat), as it can handle up ps3 titles.
cool
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Any machine with only 1G networking, no matter how many NICs it has, has to be an instant "pass." Not only is the G3 2.5Gb, but it's an INTEL 2.5Gb NIC. If your application requires faster connectivity or an Intel NIC, there is no choice here.
Get them now before the Trump tariffs kick in!
Yep, aren't some people going to be in for a shock when they suddenly realise that the consumer pays tariffs?
I'd rather have an extra $100 tariff if it means we actually have American manufacturing, and we already have several chip makers planning to open plants here. Besides I should save plenty from gas to pay double for all of the cheap garbage I buy. Also tariffs will be on the supplier price not the final retail price, so it'll probably be much less on most things than people expect.
@@DarthTinderalla-qm9zw The problem is, like most Trump supporters, You are proud to be ignorant and You have no idea about what you are talking about.
From Wiki: "Taiwan plays a crucial role in the global semiconductor industry, with Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) being the world’s largest independent semiconductor foundry. Here are key points about Taiwan’s CPU manufacturing:
Dominance: Taiwan produces over 60% of the world’s semiconductors and over 90% of the most advanced ones, with TSMC accounting for the majority of this output.
TSMC: As the world’s largest foundry, TSMC manufactures chips for major technology firms such as Apple, Qualcomm, and Nvidia. It has expanded its operations outside of Taiwan, opening new facilities in Japan and the United States, with plans for further expansion into Germany.
Apple’s 5nm ARM processors: TSMC is the manufacturer selected for production of Apple’s 5nm ARM processors, with plans to transition the entire Mac lineup to Arm-based processors.
Global dependence: The world is heavily reliant on Taiwan for semiconductors, with TSMC’s contract manufacturers accounting for over 60% of total global foundry revenue.
Economic significance: Semiconductors make up 15% of Taiwan’s GDP, with TSMC being a critical component of the country’s economy."
The retailer will pass 100% of the tariff to the consumer.
@@DarthTinderalla-qm9zw Not absolutely sure how you come to the conclusion that tariffs and low Gas prices are linked. The US is currently the worlds largest oil producer and yet Gas prices are still high? (P.S if you think they are high in the US look at Europe).It's not imports increasing the cost of your Gas, it's greedy producers who know you have no choice but to be scalped by them in the current economy.
As for your assertion that tariffs would be applied at the supplier price and not the retail price so would probably be lower than people expect. You know this how? It completely depends on how a tariff is applied and we don't have the details. It's quite possible (and already happens in practice) that it's applied as a form of sales tax or increased rate on an existing sales tax so yes, it absolutely can apply on the full retail price.
But just to be absolutely clear, I'm not necessarily anti Tariff. They have their place if dealing with a competing economy that is actively "dumping" products or commodities that your own can produce or if you want to encourage your own sectors of an economy to develop against an existing lower cost competitor.
What tariff aren't though is a Hammer when you need a screwdriver and they certainly DO cost the consumer.
That was my initial point; Trump lied when he said it would be other Countries not Americans paying the tariffs he is going to apply and people believed him. Yours is a different position to that I was arguing against. You seem to accept that tariffs will cost you but does everyone? I would say they bloody well should do and should have took the trouble to find out BEFORE the election.
No much room to say anything that "N100 is trash like Celeron and all the sh,.. that Intel promotes as entry level"
The Peladn would be a bad choice, because it's the best of nothing.
The GMKtec is very low power, super cheap, enough for simple tasks. Nobody buys that to run Steam.
The Peladn isn't very good at gaming, if you want to run Steam just save some more money and buy something more serious. It uses to much power for what it does.
I would however look for a GMKtec with 16GB
different brands not a good comparison. GMKtec overprices theirs due to name recognition.