I'm catching up on all the old content and looking @the new content. A great resource for everyone in the community. Subies forever guys and gals. Much love.😊
I'm still learning on E85 and performance boosts. However I do know a fair amount about Ethanol. You can ask any brewer or distillery. The Ethanol molecule can be bonded to water molecule but it's not hygroscopic or highly absorbent of moisture from air. I live in a fairly humid part of US. I've left glasses of Ethanol (ex. Whisky or Everclear) around the house and none of them had a puddle of water in them, the ethanol evaporated, the glass was empty. Test this yourself. If the distilling process is done correctly then an Ethanol-Fuel producer is making sure the Ethanol does not have a lot of H2O molecules bonded. 195 proof or 96% is the most pure that distillers can make ethanol. Even running gasoline engines, a small amount moisture can be inside the engine and it can handle that, anyone ever seen water dripping from a tailpipe? If the distiller does a good job there should be a minute amount of water bonded to the ethanol, which will turn into water vapor during combustion and be sent out the exhaust. There's not enough federal regulations on ethanol-fuel producers to guarantee quality YET. Also Ethanol is not corrosive to stainless steel or rubber hoses. The most common modern stills are made of stainless and use rubber hoses, a quick google search will demo this. Ethanol is something we drink aka liquor, if it was corrosive to steel or rubber we shouldn't be able to drink it. Gas tanks can have condensation in them with gasoline or E85, ask any experienced mechanic, heat from the car + humidity. The fuel pump in your video I believe has stainless steel and plastic, my fuel pump does, stainless steel doesn't rust even with water. Some of your other information is correct, ethanol is thicker than gasoline and a stronger pump might be needed. Also the fuel injectors (made of steel and durable plastic) are also impacted by this thicker fuel, so some modification is necessary there. Other items you mentioned might need to be improved or changed out to increase performance. Thank you for the information and thank you for listening to my 2 cents. Please verify my conclusions by checking knowledgeable individuals.
As always your videos are on point, informative and very helpful! Another successful example of your creative development :) Quick little information point I wanted to drop for everyone, when you get tuned for the E85 setup your sensor will automatically adjust to whatever you fill it with. You should not have to change your tune as your sensor will adjust the ECU content. All of our fuels have a 10 to 15% ethonal content especially in our premium fuels, that's why most people run a blend of half or quarters to get your desired octane.
So say I decide to go to E85, if I go on a road trip and I can't find a station with it can I still throw normal high octane in without messing things up? Basically does this make it a true flex fuel?
Tanner, hope your feeling better my G. You did forget one downside to running E85. The duration between oil changes are shorter due to the E85 cleaning the cylinders more effectively. It's been said to check your oil and AOS more often due to the E85 detergents. Some may need to start changing the oil around 2500 or sometimes sooner depending on driving style.
DASH-GARAGE I was told the same thing, that I need to change my oil every 2,000 miles, but I was told it was due to the fact that some fuel always gets by the pistons and into the oil and that the E85 brakes down the oil’s viscosity more quickly than regular gas. Not sure which reason is correct or if it is a little of both, but the frequent oil changes are definitely a con, but worth for the additional 125 HP I get on the E. If I am frequently changing the oil, Is it bad to run E85 all the time?
You should consider making an updated video on ethanol use for the Wrx/sti platforms since some of this is obsolete since Cobb discontinued support …..something that includes info on ethanol sensors, fuel pressure sensors, dual maps, e-30,e-60 so on and so forth I know a lot of guys would appreciate it and keep up the great work I’ve learned so much thanks to your videos 👍🏼
About to pick up my ‘21 WRX in a few days! So pumped. Not switching immediately but I’m trying to learn as much about ethanol as I can before making the decision. I live in the Midwest and have multiple stations that carry e85 within 5 minutes of my house, so that’s a huge plus after hearing how rare they are elsewhere in the states 😬 love the content, man :)
@@Smeedia Thank you :). tried to find a newer used one but it’s ridiculous! $32k for a brand new wrx premium with a few options vs a 2019 base model with 30k miles for $35,000 😅 used car prices are off the wall
were you ever able to get this done? I'm just now looking into getting the flex fuel kit and it looks like tuners can't tune for e85 anymore, Cobb discontinued making their flex fuel kits. Looks like the only way you can get it done is finding a home garage tuner as most reputable shops won't do it anymore apparently. kinda bummed, could've done this when I first bought the car three years ago. guess I'll just have to miss out
This is a fantastic video showing that this conversion is not just a sensor and some hoses for 600 dollars. Biggest mistake that can be made is the shortcut. loved the video. ill continue to watch more fellow vape brother!!
Not even gonna lie man you have got the best most informational videos. Most wrx or sti people that create content don’t go intuitive. Thanks for all the info man it’s really helping me plan what to do for my wrx once it’s rebuilt. Bought salvaged almost done being though
Hope the rebuild is going well and I appreciate the support. I wanna share the knowledge where I can while building my car so I see it as a win win ti help out the community!
Pros: cheap race fuel if price permits Increase power Majority to all cars can transfer to e85 with added mods obviously. Lol Cons: price for the tune ap, or being on the other side open source tune/carberry Not too many pumps for e85 in pnw lol most be able to get on base to get it 🤙🏽 I used to get mine from there too. Ran e85 in Subaru for 5 years only issued I had was one bad injector and those cold starts omg hated it when too chilly outside. Great information again buddy 🔥gl on tune
i fucking love this guy. literally everytime i have a question about my wrx i type the question in google or youtube and SMEEDIA has made a video answering my exact question....quickly becoming my favorite channel on youtube!
Are you going to stage your upgrades at all? I'm E85 stock turbo 2019 STi with 340whp & 390tq & it feels amazing! But bigger turbo is in my near future I can feel it.
I'm doing bigger turbo, E85, EWG and headers on this tune, so it will just be a plethora of upgrades all at once lol and sounds fun! Im stoaked to get on E85!
@@MexicanSniper11 already have a good amount done to the car, its not on E85 yet, will be soon but projecting it to bump power to around 420-430 with the new turbo and EWG
Captain Buff The Third Yeah I know man, and no offense taken. Everyone has their opinions. I see what you're saying though, I may just take that money and use it as a payment on the car to finish paying it sooner. So maybe I will just listen to myself and save the cash haha.
Came across your older video, rewatched it, love when you say ethanol burns cooler makes engine happier, should of added, = make you happier :) Good vid, thank you.
Not sure if i missed it but I have a couple questions for you. 1. Did you get larger injectors then your Cobb 1050's ? 2. Are you going to run Speed Density Hybrid or strictly SD ? 3. Be careful deleting your Air pump, call Cobb about this if your staying catted was advised by Cobb tunner to avoid doing that on 15+ . Hope all is welll even though i don't always comment I'm always watching.
Been a while! I might swap out the Injectors, they're a little small for E85 and I think they will be my choke point on the car. it is hybrid SD for now, shouldent have an issue with the pump delete, but I'll see what they have to say 🔥
@@Smeedia Larger injectors for sure ! , the hybrid set up is the way to go man good call. And yea shoot them a call, ill call my guy back to confirm what it was exactly he was saying about it but I believe it had something to do with idle maybe. Great videos man always enjoy them. My car is almost done myself, just got my wheels last week (5 freaking months).
I’m using the Cobb fuel flex kit. Worth every penny. I live in the Bay Area and I live like 5-7 min away from an e85 station. There like 7+ stations in in 20 mile radius.
I agree with 80% of this but you should’ve titled it E85 on EJ25 and then made an E85 on FA20. FA20 you don’t need injectors or fuel pressure regulator. You need the Cobb Flex kit and the AEM340lph (or any other drop in E85 compatible pump) and that’s it. Very useful info though!
I'm going to convert my car to E85 but it's not to get more power since that is illegal where I am. The price of E85 is 0.60 euros per liter while regular gas is 1.55 so Ethanol is 2.5 times cheaper. Your video was informative for cold start as my car is parked outside and it gets pretty cold during the winter like -10°C, so I'm curious to see how it will do during winter.
Really only going to make a diffrence is relatively cold temps, outside of that you should be okay. But yes you can start the car with only E85 and it should be perfectly fine
He meant it when he said there's only three ethanol stations in Washington. Checked the map and low and behold only 3 dots in the state on the AFDC map. I feel for you
you do not need a ethanol sensor to run e85. yes its good for a on the fly adjustment depending on the level of e85 content you receive but alot of people still run dual map setups. injectors and fuel pump yes. a mix between e65-e85 on a scale is not a big difference on a tune. on my evo x a few years ago i was dual mapped and never had a issue. i was tuned on around e78, just monitor the afrs and you'll be good.
On my 08 sti Whas running 300c pump on e85 and it did broke after 3 years running 50% less flow then new . Running walbro 450 now and radium duall hangers 1200cc injetors 450whp and 550 nm
I have litterally everything you showed on my car besides the flex fuel sensor, 1050s, identical setup, what whp did you put down on e with this setup? I’m currently at 346 on 93 and getting ready to order the flex sensor
I was planning on doing e85 in my 04 wrx but i ran into a huge wall i didn't realize.... The 16-bit ecu has no support for it! Yay! So its either trying to get a newer ecu thats setup for a avcs motor to work on a non-avcs or a standalone ecu. Ugh!
@@Smeedia I've been eyeballing a haltech elite for few months now, just haven't pulled trigger. Would be drop I'm plug-n-play except for complete retune so it's ECU cost & getting tuned again. But it's a much better ECU. Decisions!
Great video, thank you. I am having a 300ZX built now which will run a LINK ECU and a flex fuel system but it won't be my daily driver so my question on E85 is what is the tank life like? Can it sit for a period with E85 in the tank or will I need to run it low then top up with petrol?
Looks like in the last 3 years E85 is getting harder to find in WA, at least according to Pearson's E85 app. Hopefully two things happen, COBB gets CARB approval on their non-STI kit and the Shell off North Lakewood in Marysville continues to carry E85 for when I'm ready 😅.
It means u can finally put the hybrid badge next to your sti badge and totally save the planet with more power. My Subaru is a ethanoholic. More timing advance and cooler egts
Cool video. I needed to hear this. Getting my wrx tuned with flex fuel this September. Where are you from here in Washington and where is that gas station with e85?
So, if i understand correctly, the reason E85 makes more power is because you can squeeze it more put more of it along with more air and make a bigger boom. So, if Gasoline could be given the same knock resistance, it would make the same power with less fuel used because you would be able to squeeze it more right? So, why can't they increase the octane value of gasoline?
Late to the party but great stuff dude! I want to get my mustang into the E life but here in Idaho we don't have anything... at least not in Boise... 91 octane is pretty much the only option.
I’m in Boise, there is E85 at most Jackson’s fuel stations. Also another one on Overland in the Lowe’s parking lot. 👀. I guess your not looking hard enough. I’m running E85 on my stage 2 09’ WRX
I live in Indiana. It’s impossible to find fuel that doesn’t have some sort of percent of ethanol. Up to 10% up to 20%. So should I try to put ethanol in every time? I want what runs best, and what’s gonna give me the longest life of my Rex engine
E85 has the tendency to attract moister that is in the air, fog, rain, etc. the damages of rust is nit immediate but it takes time. If anyone knows more in detail please share
Another downside I’ve come across in my research is increased oil dilution requiring shorter/more frequent oil changes (every 1000 to 2000 miles). Could this be the reason for so many builds spinning bearings all of a sudden?
corn ethanol is actually worse for the environment than gas. its like a brand new prius meaning the process to make it causes more environmental harm than the end product will ever offset for.
I live in California so im basically forced to run E85 which is kind of annoying. I would prefer a 93 tune but the race fuel is way too expensive over here
You need to make even shorter oil changes due to the same corrosion matter? If I dont use it daily basis, corrosion will affect other parts? I have to spend the E85 in a timeframe? Doing 370whp and wanting to jump on E85, but I have my doubts as I want to keep reliability as priority.
e85 isn't very common here in my part of NY. There's 1 station about 15 minutes away and there's 1 near my 2nd job which is 45-50 mins away but currently doesn't work. And three more in 2 nearby cities but too far unless I happen to be there but its rare
I've been looking at setting my VR5 Bora up for E85 since it costs less and has better emissions and is nicer on the engine rather than for the power but I'm not sure would the decrease in fuel efficiency be made up for in fuel price? Also this vid cleared up HEAPS of my misconceptions about it being just a tune and the fuel being what makes more power instead of allowing more power so if OP reads this thanks
I actually just got an e85 pump about 2 minutes from my house(literally the closest Station). I never really thought too much about going e85 until then! Question-you can still use regular pump gas right? You have to get additional parts to do so or is it just like a different tune you can switch over to? I’m assuming you’ll cover that in your next video so I’m probably jumping the gun...
Yes you can still use normal pump gas 😁 the flex fuel sensor will adjust the fuel content the ECU is seeing so you can run normal 92 or E85 or a combo of them both 😁
Smeedia Sweet! I’m looking forward to seeing how much more power you make from it. I’m still a long way from being ready to go e85 but based on what you said, it does seem like the pros outweigh the cons. Keep up the awesome content man!
Are you abke to use that COB fuel system upgrade for just petrol engines? Or do they have similiar OEM set ups plug and play ? Also cant wait to see all the new toys installed you must of been stoked when all that came in. Also those fuel lines are they are good uprade to have anyways instead of stock they look dam tuff?
You can use the Cobb set up for easy plug and play so you have dont have to source your own set up 😁 They're a good upgrade to increase fuel flow but not needed for normal petrol 😁
I have a Dodge grand Caravan 2013 that has a flex engine . So I could use E-85 I switch over a month and a half. Mainly because of the price. I am $.65 per gallon happier every day. I should have done it earlier
Super informative thanks. I truly did not appreciate the complexities of 🌽. Only knew about its’ superior🔥🔥.🌽 is not an option in my neck of the woods, Ontario Canada 🇨🇦. I do have a good alternative though 94 Oct pump gas, courtesy of Petro Canada. Great second choice from my perspective!
I have a stupid question, when you say replace the fuel lines. Are you referring to the soft lines under the hood (fuel pressure regulator) or all the lines?
Hey bro, I know this video is old but I’ve tried reddit and have gotten no help, my engine (as a good subi) blew up at the beggining of the year, since my mechanic is rebuilding it, I decided to add flex fuel kit and a new clutch, is there any full kit that you recommend? Do you recommend to buy thing for separate? I’m basically going from OEM to (hopefully) 500whp on my 19 STI, any help, tips and recommendations are appreciated!
Hey boss quick question. I’ve heard you mention that the e sensor didn’t have to be Cobb and could even be a much cheaper GM e sensor? Any specific model I should be looking for?
Great video as usual! Assume the DIY hose is much cheaper than buying new fuel lines? When you pull those together can you do a video on that? How about the need to run switch back to another octane, 93 or 91 etc, assume the flex fuel sensor can adjust on the fly? is it ok to mix in tanks or is there a rule of thumb, e.g. run to the light comes on before changing fuel in the tank? Big thx brotha, keep it up and stay safe!!
Will definitely add the video in! And yes you can swallow back to lump gas at any time or mix E85 with pump and it will just change your final Ethanol % but still safe to drive 😁
So what does E85 do to motor oil??I'm sure you will need to get a oil change more often because it will break down your motor oil faster than gasoline.
E85 can build up moisture cause small amounts of water to be introduced into your oil. If you run straight E85 most will suggest changing your oil every 1500 miles
So let’s say you’re running e85 but for X reason you put gasoline !!! Are you gonna have problems w the engine ? Or you can damage some stuffs in your car ?
You always do the right stuffed videos with perfect timing of upload right when we need them(at least for me :D)! just a couple of things in my mind -- 1. i am running a AEM 340 fuel pump and a cobb FPR as well for my Stage2+ 2016 STi and planning on getting the E85 kit from cobb, so I assume that the AEM FP is E85 compatible, correct? 2. If added EWG, may I know the pros and cons? (do it really need it? IDK 😐as I am running a catted DP at the same time IDK if it really matters) 3. Someone suggested me to go with a moderate turbo like cobb 20g, is it worth it or instead put that money to get a FMIC?(not looking to max out but more for reliability coz i do alot of road trips) 4. After getting the FF kit installed and tuned, do you recommend any of such mods related to reliability and road trip efficiencies? 5. Lastly, is it necessary that we need to run ONLY E85 or we can run E85 through 93 Octane? -- though this is a question for tuner, but just asking
That fuel pump will work perfect, that's actually the one that Cobb sells! EWG not needed if your catted 😁 If it were me I would get the FMIC over the turbo to decrease your IATs. As for other mods nothing that comes to mind that you'll NEED to do And you can run and bleed of Ethonal once the sensor is installed 😁
Could you do a video on spark plugs and changing them and also about blow off valves? ( You might have already done it but couldn't find it) ... I'm probably sounding like an idiot but I just got my first Subaru WRX Sti (2020) and know little to nothing about these vehicles.
Smeedia I got my STI 7 months ago, I already have coob intake and Invidia downpipe install with a protune. I’m thinking when this virus crisis is over to go flex fuel. But after that I’m kind of stuck, I know that I want to do big turbo but I don’t know what I will need before that to reinforce the engine and to make the car a reliable daily drive with the big turbo. Really hoping you can help me here.
I'm catching up on all the old content and looking @the new content. A great resource for everyone in the community. Subies forever guys and gals. Much love.😊
I'm still learning on E85 and performance boosts. However I do know a fair amount about Ethanol. You can ask any brewer or distillery. The Ethanol molecule can be bonded to water molecule but it's not hygroscopic or highly absorbent of moisture from air. I live in a fairly humid part of US. I've left glasses of Ethanol (ex. Whisky or Everclear) around the house and none of them had a puddle of water in them, the ethanol evaporated, the glass was empty. Test this yourself. If the distilling process is done correctly then an Ethanol-Fuel producer is making sure the Ethanol does not have a lot of H2O molecules bonded. 195 proof or 96% is the most pure that distillers can make ethanol. Even running gasoline engines, a small amount moisture can be inside the engine and it can handle that, anyone ever seen water dripping from a tailpipe? If the distiller does a good job there should be a minute amount of water bonded to the ethanol, which will turn into water vapor during combustion and be sent out the exhaust. There's not enough federal regulations on ethanol-fuel producers to guarantee quality YET.
Also Ethanol is not corrosive to stainless steel or rubber hoses. The most common modern stills are made of stainless and use rubber hoses, a quick google search will demo this. Ethanol is something we drink aka liquor, if it was corrosive to steel or rubber we shouldn't be able to drink it. Gas tanks can have condensation in them with gasoline or E85, ask any experienced mechanic, heat from the car + humidity. The fuel pump in your video I believe has stainless steel and plastic, my fuel pump does, stainless steel doesn't rust even with water.
Some of your other information is correct, ethanol is thicker than gasoline and a stronger pump might be needed. Also the fuel injectors (made of steel and durable plastic) are also impacted by this thicker fuel, so some modification is necessary there. Other items you mentioned might need to be improved or changed out to increase performance. Thank you for the information and thank you for listening to my 2 cents. Please verify my conclusions by checking knowledgeable individuals.
The logic "We can drink ethanol so it isnt corrosive to steel or rubber" doesnt check out.
@@treyt6474 he must be a robot
You "can" drink ethanol. They sell in in liquor stores. It's called Everclear. Drinking it has led me to some of the worst days times of my life. 😂
I’m gonna NEED a detailed vid of you pulling the Intake Manifold off for my own selfish reasons 😬
Haha we will definitely make that one happen 🔥
Your wish just came true lol
As always your videos are on point, informative and very helpful! Another successful example of your creative development :)
Quick little information point I wanted to drop for everyone, when you get tuned for the E85 setup your sensor will automatically adjust to whatever you fill it with. You should not have to change your tune as your sensor will adjust the ECU content. All of our fuels have a 10 to 15% ethonal content especially in our premium fuels, that's why most people run a blend of half or quarters to get your desired octane.
Appreciatw the support and thank you for the addition of more info, trying to centralize everything into one place! 😍
So say I decide to go to E85, if I go on a road trip and I can't find a station with it can I still throw normal high octane in without messing things up? Basically does this make it a true flex fuel?
@@heckyeahsrandomness6737 any more info on this comment by chance?
@@heckyeahsrandomness6737 Exactly! e85 and a proper tune and you can make significant gains.
Tanner, hope your feeling better my G. You did forget one downside to running E85. The duration between oil changes are shorter due to the E85 cleaning the cylinders more effectively. It's been said to check your oil and AOS more often due to the E85 detergents. Some may need to start changing the oil around 2500 or sometimes sooner depending on driving style.
DASH-GARAGE I was told the same thing, that I need to change my oil every 2,000 miles, but I was told it was due to the fact that some fuel always gets by the pistons and into the oil and that the E85 brakes down the oil’s viscosity more quickly than regular gas. Not sure which reason is correct or if it is a little of both, but the frequent oil changes are definitely a con, but worth for the additional 125 HP I get on the E. If I am frequently changing the oil, Is it bad to run E85 all the time?
Feeling better eveyday and totally spaced on the oil aspect of the fuel, thanknyou for adding this in!
Here in Brazil we have E100 at 100% stations 😊
Jealous, I wish we had that in the states 😫
Leandro Pim what’s the octane rating ? 110?
nathan moore yes and the premium gas is 95, regular gas is 87.
Jeese what’s the octane on that?
beretta989 110
Ethanol is lifeeeeee!!! Great content as always!!!! Can't wait to have you come to the shop after this corona stuff is gone!!
For real, once everything dies down again I'll be up there!
You should consider making an updated video on ethanol use for the Wrx/sti platforms since some of this is obsolete since Cobb discontinued support …..something that includes info on ethanol sensors, fuel pressure sensors, dual maps, e-30,e-60 so on and so forth I know a lot of guys would appreciate it and keep up the great work I’ve learned so much thanks to your videos 👍🏼
Going to be same same but you just run two tunes and done use an Ethanol sensor 🙏 but I can make an updated one
@@Smeedia Please make an updated video! I would love to know literally everything I can about what I need to run e85 currently
I like the way your STI looks in this video, very clean and straight foward.
She was a simple creation back then 🥳
I've been playing hard to get but I finally subbed 🙌
Glad I could win you over 😉 appreciate the support!
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Just did that now 8/17/23
FA20DIT WRX: flex kit, fuel pump, tune and done!
The FA20 is so much easier 😫
Are you e60?
Thanks for the lesson on E85 man. Love your show!
Thanks for the support! 😁😁😁
About to pick up my ‘21 WRX in a few days! So pumped. Not switching immediately but I’m trying to learn as much about ethanol as I can before making the decision. I live in the Midwest and have multiple stations that carry e85 within 5 minutes of my house, so that’s a huge plus after hearing how rare they are elsewhere in the states 😬 love the content, man :)
Early Congrats on the car, and if you have access to it, it's well worth it!
@@Smeedia Thank you :). tried to find a newer used one but it’s ridiculous! $32k for a brand new wrx premium with a few options vs a 2019 base model with 30k miles for $35,000 😅 used car prices are off the wall
were you ever able to get this done? I'm just now looking into getting the flex fuel kit and it looks like tuners can't tune for e85 anymore, Cobb discontinued making their flex fuel kits. Looks like the only way you can get it done is finding a home garage tuner as most reputable shops won't do it anymore apparently. kinda bummed, could've done this when I first bought the car three years ago. guess I'll just have to miss out
A great fuel education for everyone out there. A good video brother. Stay safe and have a good week.
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This is a fantastic video showing that this conversion is not just a sensor and some hoses for 600 dollars. Biggest mistake that can be made is the shortcut. loved the video. ill continue to watch more fellow vape brother!!
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Thank you! Trying to learn more and you did well explaining. 1500 miles in my 2021 STI...so want to do this right.
Glad that the videos helped and totally feel it! 🙏🔥
Not even gonna lie man you have got the best most informational videos. Most wrx or sti people that create content don’t go intuitive. Thanks for all the info man it’s really helping me plan what to do for my wrx once it’s rebuilt. Bought salvaged almost done being though
Hope the rebuild is going well and I appreciate the support. I wanna share the knowledge where I can while building my car so I see it as a win win ti help out the community!
Pros:
cheap race fuel if price permits
Increase power
Majority to all cars can transfer to e85 with added mods obviously. Lol
Cons: price for the tune ap, or being on the other side open source tune/carberry
Not too many pumps for e85 in pnw lol most be able to get on base to get it 🤙🏽 I used to get mine from there too. Ran e85 in Subaru for 5 years only issued I had was one bad injector and those cold starts omg hated it when too chilly outside. Great information again buddy 🔥gl on tune
Appreciate the additional information! And thank you 🔥 I'll be getting mine from base, thankfully they're not tok far.
Smeedia no problem man. Your going to a great tuner and shop that knows a lot of about the e85 🤙🏽 has Tim b do my tunes and now Chris too.
i fucking love this guy. literally everytime i have a question about my wrx i type the question in google or youtube and SMEEDIA has made a video answering my exact question....quickly becoming my favorite channel on youtube!
Stuart, FL literally has 3 E85 stations and 2 in neighboring towns. No shortages here!
Jelllllllly
Are you going to stage your upgrades at all? I'm E85 stock turbo 2019 STi with 340whp & 390tq & it feels amazing! But bigger turbo is in my near future I can feel it.
I'm doing bigger turbo, E85, EWG and headers on this tune, so it will just be a plethora of upgrades all at once lol and sounds fun! Im stoaked to get on E85!
Do you have any bolt ons or just E85? Who is it tuned by? That's great power if it's just E85.
@@MexicanSniper11 already have a good amount done to the car, its not on E85 yet, will be soon but projecting it to bump power to around 420-430 with the new turbo and EWG
Smeedia Hell yeah dude! That's awesome. I want to get a downpipe and intake for mine but I know once I get started I'm screwed 😂 is the engine built?
Captain Buff The Third Yeah I know man, and no offense taken. Everyone has their opinions. I see what you're saying though, I may just take that money and use it as a payment on the car to finish paying it sooner. So maybe I will just listen to myself and save the cash haha.
Came across your older video, rewatched it, love when you say ethanol burns cooler makes engine happier, should of added, = make you happier :) Good vid, thank you.
Also very true 🔥🥵
Thankfully a lot of navy bases I've been on has e85 🤘🏼
Benefits 🔥
Ooo man, I’ve been waiting to see the 07 STI get tuned so I can get an idea about what I’m in store for for my car! I should have my 11 STI back soon
Best ethanol video I've seen 👍
Thank you🙏🙌
Not sure if i missed it but I have a couple questions for you. 1. Did you get larger injectors then your Cobb 1050's ? 2. Are you going to run Speed Density Hybrid or strictly SD ? 3. Be careful deleting your Air pump, call Cobb about this if your staying catted was advised by Cobb tunner to avoid doing that on 15+ . Hope all is welll even though i don't always comment I'm always watching.
Been a while! I might swap out the Injectors, they're a little small for E85 and I think they will be my choke point on the car. it is hybrid SD for now, shouldent have an issue with the pump delete, but I'll see what they have to say 🔥
@@Smeedia Larger injectors for sure ! , the hybrid set up is the way to go man good call. And yea shoot them a call, ill call my guy back to confirm what it was exactly he was saying about it but I believe it had something to do with idle maybe. Great videos man always enjoy them. My car is almost done myself, just got my wheels last week (5 freaking months).
I’m using the Cobb fuel flex kit. Worth every penny. I live in the Bay Area and I live like 5-7 min away from an e85 station. There like 7+ stations in in 20 mile radius.
Jealous I wish we had a decent amount 😫
Hey Buidlz, can you tell me all the mods you are running. Currently have 2015 still stage 1+ and want to go to Flex Fuel - thanks for your time.
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Not sure if this is directly for your car but this is just an idea. Since mine is 05 I have the older kit.
Just note you going to get shit mpg and replace all the gas lines with Teflon lines. Also your gonna need a better fuel rail.
I agree with 80% of this but you should’ve titled it E85 on EJ25 and then made an E85 on FA20. FA20 you don’t need injectors or fuel pressure regulator. You need the Cobb Flex kit and the AEM340lph (or any other drop in E85 compatible pump) and that’s it. Very useful info though!
It's generalized information not specific to any single platform, I just used my STI as an example for it 🙏
fr my favorite subie guy channel love the content!
Thank you my man! Appreciate the support! 😍
I'm going to convert my car to E85 but it's not to get more power since that is illegal where I am. The price of E85 is 0.60 euros per liter while regular gas is 1.55 so Ethanol is 2.5 times cheaper. Your video was informative for cold start as my car is parked outside and it gets pretty cold during the winter like -10°C, so I'm curious to see how it will do during winter.
Where are you living that it’s illegal to make more power?!
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It is possible to start the car only with e85, with no heat helper, you have to add 30% more fuel on start and warming, my is E100 works great
Really only going to make a diffrence is relatively cold temps, outside of that you should be okay. But yes you can start the car with only E85 and it should be perfectly fine
He meant it when he said there's only three ethanol stations in Washington. Checked the map and low and behold only 3 dots in the state on the AFDC map. I feel for you
The struggle is real out here, I think we might have 4 now lol
you do not need a ethanol sensor to run e85. yes its good for a on the fly adjustment depending on the level of e85 content you receive but alot of people still run dual map setups. injectors and fuel pump yes. a mix between e65-e85 on a scale is not a big difference on a tune. on my evo x a few years ago i was dual mapped and never had a issue. i was tuned on around e78, just monitor the afrs and you'll be good.
Thank you for adding in the additional information! 😁
Which AFRS are you seeking with E85? Are you having to adjust the closed loop and open look fuel maps?
Thank you, finally someone can explain
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On my 08 sti Whas running 300c pump on e85 and it did broke after 3 years running 50% less flow then new . Running walbro 450 now and radium duall hangers 1200cc injetors 450whp and 550 nm
How about a vid on making those fuel lines😉 thanks for the help
We will definitely do so 😁
I have litterally everything you showed on my car besides the flex fuel sensor, 1050s, identical setup, what whp did you put down on e with this setup? I’m currently at 346 on 93 and getting ready to order the flex sensor
Up here in alaska we don't have access to ethanol or even 94 octane..the highest we have is 91, that being said my wrx will get meth injection.
I was planning on doing e85 in my 04 wrx but i ran into a huge wall i didn't realize.... The 16-bit ecu has no support for it! Yay! So its either trying to get a newer ecu thats setup for a avcs motor to work on a non-avcs or a standalone ecu. Ugh!
I did not know that 😫, are you planning on swapping out ECUs or just going to stay pump?
@@Smeedia Right now I just plan on doing injectors and pump and maybe a regulator.
@@Smeedia I've been eyeballing a haltech elite for few months now, just haven't pulled trigger. Would be drop I'm plug-n-play except for complete retune so it's ECU cost & getting tuned again. But it's a much better ECU. Decisions!
Great video, thank you.
I am having a 300ZX built now which will run a LINK ECU and a flex fuel system but it won't be my daily driver so my question on E85 is what is the tank life like? Can it sit for a period with E85 in the tank or will I need to run it low then top up with petrol?
Looks like in the last 3 years E85 is getting harder to find in WA, at least according to Pearson's E85 app. Hopefully two things happen, COBB gets CARB approval on their non-STI kit and the Shell off North Lakewood in Marysville continues to carry E85 for when I'm ready 😅.
Hybrids are made to use 85. It is cheaper if you're able to find it.
Can’t wait for the install!
Same! Soon my friend very soon!
I didnt see anyone else say it, but you sound a lot better! Hopefully you dont have the pigeon, and you're all cleared up now
Feeling much better, all that remains is a cough so hopefully goes away super quick!
I really want to go flex fuel this summer. Thanks!
Exciting times! I cant wait to make the switch!
Great info bro thanks a lot 🤙🏽😎🔥🔥
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amazing video! answered so many questions and worries. This video is a one stop shop forsure lol.
Glad that it helped! 🔥😁
It means u can finally put the hybrid badge next to your sti badge and totally save the planet with more power. My Subaru is a ethanoholic. More timing advance and cooler egts
Super informative! Love the vids man keep it up ✊🏽
More coming soon, appreciate the support!
Cool video. I needed to hear this. Getting my wrx tuned with flex fuel this September. Where are you from here in Washington and where is that gas station with e85?
I get all of my E85 from JBLM but Snoqualmie has a pump as well
So, if i understand correctly, the reason E85 makes more power is because you can squeeze it more put more of it along with more air and make a bigger boom. So, if Gasoline could be given the same knock resistance, it would make the same power with less fuel used because you would be able to squeeze it more right? So, why can't they increase the octane value of gasoline?
They can, you can get 110 Octane gas its just not very avaliable. Some airports carry it though
Also I don't even own a 15+. I got an 11 but dig your content. Subbed! Ooo
Late to the party but great stuff dude! I want to get my mustang into the E life but here in Idaho we don't have anything... at least not in Boise... 91 octane is pretty much the only option.
Look into thunderbolt racing! They deliver E85 and you might be able to get some delivered 😁
I’m in Boise, there is E85 at most Jackson’s fuel stations. Also another one on Overland in the Lowe’s parking lot. 👀. I guess your not looking hard enough. I’m running E85 on my stage 2 09’ WRX
Full send Tanner 🔥. Reason #1: Smiles per gallon
That's all we do 🔥🙌
@@Smeedia hell ya!
I live in Indiana. It’s impossible to find fuel that doesn’t have some sort of percent of ethanol. Up to 10% up to 20%. So should I try to put ethanol in every time? I want what runs best, and what’s gonna give me the longest life of my Rex engine
You'd want just normal fuel, should have roughly 10% E in it 🙏
E85 has the tendency to attract moister that is in the air, fog, rain, etc. the damages of rust is nit immediate but it takes time. If anyone knows more in detail please share
Yes ethanol is more prone to corrosion that's why you should have stainless steel fuel lines and fittings
Another downside I’ve come across in my research is increased oil dilution requiring shorter/more frequent oil changes (every 1000 to 2000 miles). Could this be the reason for so many builds spinning bearings all of a sudden?
Definitely a possibility snf you are absolutely correct on the dilution 🙏
This needs to be discussed!
corn ethanol is actually worse for the environment than gas. its like a brand new prius meaning the process to make it causes more environmental harm than the end product will ever offset for.
I live in California so im basically forced to run E85 which is kind of annoying. I would prefer a 93 tune but the race fuel is way too expensive over here
How much is it going for down there? 👀
@@Smeedia Last i checked a year go around September with $10 per gallon for 100 octane for its probably 12- 14 right now . E85 is around $4 right now
You didn't mention oil dilution when running e85 as a downside. You need to change oil much more often since the ethanol byproducts end up in the oil.
Wow a comment for the man himself! Just found the channel dude, loving it so far.
Eyyyy appreciate the support Robert 🔥🤙
You need to make even shorter oil changes due to the same corrosion matter? If I dont use it daily basis, corrosion will affect other parts? I have to spend the E85 in a timeframe? Doing 370whp and wanting to jump on E85, but I have my doubts as I want to keep reliability as priority.
e85 isn't very common here in my part of NY. There's 1 station about 15 minutes away and there's 1 near my 2nd job which is 45-50 mins away but currently doesn't work. And three more in 2 nearby cities but too far unless I happen to be there but its rare
You didn't mention the main reason to go e85 you will make about 80 hp, at least with a newer stage 2 wrx
That is from the cooling properties of the fuel and the more aggressive tune that comes with it 😁
I've been looking at setting my VR5 Bora up for E85 since it costs less and has better emissions and is nicer on the engine rather than for the power but I'm not sure would the decrease in fuel efficiency be made up for in fuel price? Also this vid cleared up HEAPS of my misconceptions about it being just a tune and the fuel being what makes more power instead of allowing more power so if OP reads this thanks
Your STI was so dope
I'm debating whether I do the fuel pump install myself or leave it to the tuner, don't want to loose or screw up anything lol
You can definitely do it yourself, much easier than you think 🙏
I actually just got an e85 pump about 2 minutes from my house(literally the closest Station). I never really thought too much about going e85 until then! Question-you can still use regular pump gas right? You have to get additional parts to do so or is it just like a different tune you can switch over to? I’m assuming you’ll cover that in your next video so I’m probably jumping the gun...
Yes you can still use normal pump gas 😁 the flex fuel sensor will adjust the fuel content the ECU is seeing so you can run normal 92 or E85 or a combo of them both 😁
Smeedia Sweet! I’m looking forward to seeing how much more power you make from it. I’m still a long way from being ready to go e85 but based on what you said, it does seem like the pros outweigh the cons. Keep up the awesome content man!
Ohh this install is gona be a nightmare but in a good way!
Are you abke to use that COB fuel system upgrade for just petrol engines? Or do they have similiar OEM set ups plug and play ? Also cant wait to see all the new toys installed you must of been stoked when all that came in. Also those fuel lines are they are good uprade to have anyways instead of stock they look dam tuff?
You can use the Cobb set up for easy plug and play so you have dont have to source your own set up 😁
They're a good upgrade to increase fuel flow but not needed for normal petrol 😁
I have a Dodge grand Caravan 2013 that has a flex engine . So I could use E-85 I switch over a month and a half. Mainly because of the price. I am $.65 per gallon happier every day. I should have done it earlier
Super informative thanks. I truly did not appreciate the complexities of 🌽. Only knew about its’ superior🔥🔥.🌽 is not an option in my neck of the woods, Ontario Canada 🇨🇦. I do have a good alternative though 94 Oct pump gas, courtesy of Petro Canada. Great second choice from my perspective!
94 is not bad either, and it's hard to get Ethanol in some areas!
Thank You*****Direct and right on point******
I got a wrx because of this channel. Lol
Hopefully it's been treating you well 😅🔥
I have a stupid question, when you say replace the fuel lines. Are you referring to the soft lines under the hood (fuel pressure regulator) or all the lines?
Yessir, the stock rubber lines under the hood 🙏
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Hey bro, I know this video is old but I’ve tried reddit and have gotten no help, my engine (as a good subi) blew up at the beggining of the year, since my mechanic is rebuilding it, I decided to add flex fuel kit and a new clutch, is there any full kit that you recommend? Do you recommend to buy thing for separate? I’m basically going from OEM to (hopefully) 500whp on my 19 STI, any help, tips and recommendations are appreciated!
I heard e85 will dislodge debris from the tank and lines and can gunk up injectors/filters when first switching over.
Definitely possible if there is schmoo in thr fuel system
Hey boss quick question. I’ve heard you mention that the e sensor didn’t have to be Cobb and could even be a much cheaper GM e sensor? Any specific model I should be looking for?
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you also need more oil changes with using eatenol oil goes bad fast if you do not put atencion your engine gets bad fast
Very true, was doing mine around 2K miles
Great video as usual! Assume the DIY hose is much cheaper than buying new fuel lines? When you pull those together can you do a video on that? How about the need to run switch back to another octane, 93 or 91 etc, assume the flex fuel sensor can adjust on the fly? is it ok to mix in tanks or is there a rule of thumb, e.g. run to the light comes on before changing fuel in the tank? Big thx brotha, keep it up and stay safe!!
Will definitely add the video in! And yes you can swallow back to lump gas at any time or mix E85 with pump and it will just change your final Ethanol % but still safe to drive 😁
Cobb/ California just kneecapped a lot of these builds
Just means we don't have to use an E sensor now, just have to run two tunes
We have e85 in Marysville area and a little farther south too.
Ohhhh good to know 👀
I’ve been thinking about doing this but my downside is where to get it, we live in the same area, where are you getting your e85 from? JBLM?
I'll be getting all of mine from JBLM and prob keep 10-15 gallons on hand.
Awesome vid...the hoses you showed are they made to length? Or are you fabricating the whole thing?
I will be fabricating the whole thing that was just the roll of hose lol
@@Smeedia are you going to show that install, when you get to it.
@@1atinlove yes 😁
@@Smeedia good man...i cant wait to see that. I am subscribed, and cant wait to see all the great content.
Stay slaying content bruh😁👌
Appreciatw the support! So so much more to come!
Keep it up brother 👍!! Great content.
Thank you, appreciate the support!
So what does E85 do to motor oil??I'm sure you will need to get a oil change more often because it will break down your motor oil faster than gasoline.
E85 can build up moisture cause small amounts of water to be introduced into your oil. If you run straight E85 most will suggest changing your oil every 1500 miles
If u got the fa20dit u only need the fuel pump and the flex fuel sensor.
Correct 🔥
So let’s say you’re running e85 but for X reason you put gasoline !!! Are you gonna have problems w the engine ? Or you can damage some stuffs in your car ?
Nope with the flex fuel sensor it will calibrate what % E you have and you can run anywhere from normal gasoline to E85 without issue
Tanner you should make a video what are the mods for dyno. Just suggestions
Will actually be making that one here soon with all the parts going on with the STI!
I just got a car that runs E85 but can’t find any locally. I’m in Tacoma too! Can I get your secret location please?
Ethanol is also way cheaper than normal fuel isn't it?
Spends on thr time of year but typically yes
I do believe the Military base on Whidbey Island has dedicated E85 pumps
Good to know of another, I'll be snaging mine from JBLM 😁
@@Smeedia might be a good market on Whidbey. Lots of military guys run WRX
You always do the right stuffed videos with perfect timing of upload right when we need them(at least for me :D)!
just a couple of things in my mind --
1. i am running a AEM 340 fuel pump and a cobb FPR as well for my Stage2+ 2016 STi and planning on getting the E85 kit from cobb, so I assume that the AEM FP is E85 compatible, correct?
2. If added EWG, may I know the pros and cons? (do it really need it? IDK 😐as I am running a catted DP at the same time IDK if it really matters)
3. Someone suggested me to go with a moderate turbo like cobb 20g, is it worth it or instead put that money to get a FMIC?(not looking to max out but more for reliability coz i do alot of road trips)
4. After getting the FF kit installed and tuned, do you recommend any of such mods related to reliability and road trip efficiencies?
5. Lastly, is it necessary that we need to run ONLY E85 or we can run E85 through 93 Octane? -- though this is a question for tuner, but just asking
That fuel pump will work perfect, that's actually the one that Cobb sells!
EWG not needed if your catted 😁
If it were me I would get the FMIC over the turbo to decrease your IATs.
As for other mods nothing that comes to mind that you'll NEED to do
And you can run and bleed of Ethonal once the sensor is installed 😁
@@Smeedia thats awesome! just as i thought before but, its always better to take an opinion. btw Thank you :)
Could you do a video on spark plugs and changing them and also about blow off valves? ( You might have already done it but couldn't find it) ... I'm probably sounding like an idiot but I just got my first Subaru WRX Sti (2020) and know little to nothing about these vehicles.
We have videos on both of those already done 😁 staying on top of these for you guys 😉 and not at all! Congrats on the new car!
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Good video man !!
Thank you! 🙏😁
Tanner. How often you change your oil while on E85 and did you do a Oil analysis?
Did mine every 3K miles still, I was doing 2 tanks of E85 then one tank of 93 to keep the system somewhat clean
Smeedia I got my STI 7 months ago, I already have coob intake and Invidia downpipe install with a protune. I’m thinking when this virus crisis is over to go flex fuel. But after that I’m kind of stuck, I know that I want to do big turbo but I don’t know what I will need before that to reinforce the engine and to make the car a reliable daily drive with the big turbo. Really hoping you can help me here.
Also great content the little that I know about my car is because of your channel. Keep it up. And more POV drive please!!
Will do more POV 😁 and for reliability engine mods, AOS, Cyl 4 Cooling Mod, radiator should get you some good reliability
Good stuff.
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