The unexpected Red Bull threat for F1 2024
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ค. 2024
- “We’re coming for Red Bull”. That was McLaren driver Lando Norris’s promise after finishing second to Max Verstappen in the Japanese Grand Prix.
He’s realistic enough to know Red Bull is uncatchable in F1 this year, but he’s talking about the big picture. And that means potentially taking the fight to Red Bull in 2024.
That might sound ridiculously optimistic for a McLaren team that hasn’t won a championship since 2008 and has just one victory in the last decade, but its recent form has been phenomenal.
00:00 Fighting talk
01:32 Latest upgrades
04:17 Wider progress
06:41 The other contenders
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Honestly Lando-Oscar sounds like a better bet for the constructors than Verstappen-Perez if they have the car (not Max's fault obviously)
I do think is verstsppens fault. They would not have been champions without Perez. They tried. It’s just difficult to pair max with anybody. You need someone resilient and willing to develop the car for the other driver
@@kevinjabalera5840 That sounds like a massive cope for Perez. It's not really Max's job to lift up Perez. Maybe to provide a bit of feedback, but hardly to be his coach or trainer.
RB is not interested in the constructors, and the same is true for every team really fighting for the drivers championship. Having a brilliant driver and a good one is much better combination for intrateam dynamics and WDC points than having two great ones.
@@kevinjabalera5840yawn
Depends if they go Hamilton/Russell style and take points off each otherm
I don’t know about catching red bull next year but McLaren’s turnaround this season is incredible
They have already caught redbull. They just now need to catch Max.
@@TheRealMafooThey were more than half a second slower in qualifying,a d over twenty seconds behind after finishing the race, how are they on par with Red Bull ?
Cant read?
@@MrShadowofthewind Norris lost quite some time (they state 12 seconds, but realistically it was about 7) under the VSC, when not permitted to overtake the slow perez, who could not keep up the VSC laptime due to "technical difficulties" before the first (:D) retirement. In the end, the race pace difference was not as substantial as it had been before, even though suzuka is as good of a track as it gets for RB.
Verstappen even was informed about it, and had to keep pushing hard, as mclaren were only a tenth slower in the latest stint.
The Quali differences were huge ,though, and that last stint is for sure not representative for overall race pace. The RB is still substantially ahead overall.
@@TheRealMafoothey havent caught RB just because Perez is so shit.
Sadly RB might hit that Mercedes groove of "our car is good enough that we can start developing next years car earlier than anyone else" thats extremely hard for anyone to catch up to without a massive technical overhaul like 2022.
It seems that mclaren is on the right track tho
Look at all the major upgrades McLaren has brought this season. Even in Singapore another huge upgrade, and they're still 20 sec off. Meanwhile RBR hasn't brought many upgrades at all this season. I'd assume most of their attention this season has been towards the 2024 car.
I wouldn't be surprised if RBR are completely untouchable again next season.
@@pantroflpeople said the same thing when max won the abu dhabi gp 2020 . that merc stopped upgrading for next season..and then the 2021 season happened...so there is definitely space for optimism for mclaren..lets hope for the best
What do you mean might?
@@rafiuldhruba9848 uh, actually people were saying that Merc turned down their engines in Abu Dhabi 2020 which was also confirmed by Mercedes staff. I can't recall anyone saying Merc stopped upgrading because of AD '20.
It's so impressive how they've brought so many upgrades and they've all worked. That's an impressive rate of development.
I'm a happy McLaren fan rn.
They did copy the RB concept though.. it’s easier to follow than to pioneer.
@@pvdk4469no shit Sherlock
@@adamn7125 what do you hope to accomplish with such a post?
The biggest issue McLaren have this year is that their strengths are also the Red Bull's strengths -- medium-high speed corners.
Lando was over a second quicker per lap on average than Ferrari & Mercedes in Japan... but Max still had 0.3s on him.
Completely agree
Hopefully McLaren can carry their good development info the next season. At least it looks like their wind tunnel correlation with the real world is good 👌.
Dont forget Red Bull already works on the 2024 car.
Yep, I think the hype on McLaren is premature. It is kinda still based on the Red Bull concept and really it's not likely that anyone is gonna beat Red Bull at their own game tbh.
8 tenths quicker on avergae than Ferrari on there weakest track.
Past twelve years for McLaren have been like "one step forward, two steps back". Every time it looked like they were coming back to top positions, next year they slipped back dramatically. So I would be careful with predictions.
I don't really see it that way. McLaren slumped in 2015-2017 but have been steadily coming up the ranks since then. If you look at their performances and results from 2018 onwards they've been on quite a steady incline all the way until now.
Yeah i duno red bull is so far into 24 car that mclaren have been working on 23 car wayyyyyy longer
@@mikoku921 In 2016 they actually had a solid season with Honda engines and things looked good. But next year they dropped right down. And in 2021 they were there fighting for podiums, they even won a race. And instead of improving further, in 2022 they slumped again. That's why I'm a bit sceptical.
Zak Brown, the "mastermind" who's now so pathetically basking in their newly found "glory" (tho I fail to understand what could be "glorious" about being 4th or 5th in the championship), is the guy who told Honda to "take a hike" and went "engine shopping" instead ... imagine what could have been.
The lack of short term memory in social meejah never ceases to amaze me.
@@captaintoyota3171 This is incorrect. According to Stella, the upgrades for the 2023 car were signed off on months ago. They are already working on the 2024 car. I believe last month they already calibrated the new wind tunnel. The 2023 car is the last car to use the Cologne tunnel. Originally, Stella stated that none of the upgrades for the 2023 car would be used for 2024 citing a big difference i the chassis. However, recently he revised it by saying that some parts may be applicable.
If they can have a good start maybe they win a few races next year.
Realistically, nobody is really going to challenge Red Bull till 2026
Its my opinion as well 👍
Maybe 2025. could be interesting?!?
tbf, Ferrari could've last year, the car was on par with RB, but they threw it with the strategy
Ferrari have ruined Leclerc.@@ghfsd786fa
@@ghfsd786fa, not just strategy. Leclerc crashing. Sainz bein unable to drive the car fast enough. Reliability. And; after the technical directive regarding height of the floor, they were nowhere. Mercedes was faster end season.
I agree..look at Austin Martin
When RB and Ferrari were chasing Merc, they were much closer at the start of any season and it still took them 6 years to deliver for real. Always because Merc was able to switch focus to next year much earlier. Sure McLaren may be closer, but it’s likely they have an end of season surge right now and RB will sprint away from them again at the start of the next season.
RB's problem is just Renault PU (underpowered and unreliable). And Ferrari were doing great for quite a while, until either FIA nerfed them or they self-destructing
Important to mention that since RB diference is so big and 2023 championship already done, probably most if not all teams are gonna start thinking bout next yeat.
@@smiter4458 true but that same engine was also in a Manor. If the car is a complete dog, no matter how good your engine you’re not going to win. So the engine advantage allowed Merc to keep developing the aero platform and improve it year on year.
You forget the fact that merc turned down their engines to not be too dominant. So it may have seemed closer, but it actually wasn't.
I just don't think anyone currently can challenge Verstappen. He's so in tune with his craft that he's nearly unbeatable.
No one is unbeatable.
@@user-wy5xe6ht2m I will. Thanks.
@@liukin95learn to read: "nearly"
He drives differently when he has competition. Now it’s just him cruising
@@bjrnchrstn No, just jog on. Thanks.
Redbull is lucky that the field shuffled multiple times through the season. If one team had been consistent with P2 and P3 finishes, Redbull constructor championship would be at great risk with Perez inconsistent and poor performances.
By the way both mercedes and ferrari WCC point still not beat red bull WCC points 😮
Webber, Gasly, Albon, something happens to every driver with the other Red Bull car. That's why I laugh when I know they're asking for that seat, they don't know what awaits them , I feel sorry for Redbull second driver.... Perez won 2 races and got his car switched off... couldn't even be allowed to finish second last season....
not sure which edible you are eating
@@adl6907 he didn’t get his car switched off or turned down or anything. It all comes down to Perez himself, I mean did you see his performance in Japan? He was driving like a straight rookie, from darting into and out of the pit lane to that extremely desperate lung he made on K mag. He really made himself look bad and it’s not the first time either. Just compare the numbers of times he’s seen the wall and has made contact this season alone to Max and you’ll see why he’s so far behind.
You do realize that Max by himself has more points than any team ?
You are right, but Suzuka was a track that highlighted the strength of MCL60, the fast,flowing, and high downforce layouts suits that car
Not necessarily… singapore was also great for the mclarens
So glad McLaren is performing where it should, only makes the racing that much better. But I'm not sure I've seen a team make that kind of improvement during the season ever! Edd is correct, the pace of performance increases in F1 are historically glacial and are usually measured in the 100's of a second. Good video guys!
I just want a 2012 season (or better) all over again
I just want (the best season of all time) again
2021*
@@_zantetsuken_ 2012**
Yeah that yr was amazing to watch live, the cars where not true f1 cars i.m.o. as they had been hampered so much they where skinny odd looking cars. But v8s mmmmm
Red Bull have set the standard in these current regulations, so I like the fighting talk coming from Lando here. People will say "hahaha they'll never beat Red Bull" or "he's being too cocky", but any sportsperson knows that the first step to success is believing that you can beat the best, and for Lando to say that so openly tells me he trusts the path McLaren are currently on. It looks like putting his faith in the team and staying with them long term could well pay off for him.
I'm a RB fan and smiled when I heard him say that I love Lando.
I'm not a red bull fan. But I can't argue about the fact that Adrian Newey is an absolute mastermind of F1 design. An absolute genius he is. The most successful f1 designer in history
RB currently has the perfect team. From top down to driver... Newey is a genius, engineers, strategists, pit crew... they all contribute to where RB is currently at, unstoppable. Having Max as a driver also helps. Drives a clean and mistake free race, day in and day out. I can see Max getting bored of the F1 life and retire... And participate in other series that allows him to have more freedom.
True, he designed the most dominant car ever. What a genius. The RB19 is a beast.
@@The_Curious_CatIronically, Newey has designed cars even more dominant than RB19, at least on pure pace.
1992 Williams FW14b has to take the cake.
@@The_Curious_Cat I don't think the RB19 is the most dominant car ever, not even close. The fact RB is doing so well statistically hasn't solely to do with how good the car is, it's everything from Max playing a big part to the strategists, pit crew, basically the whole team is just excellent.
@@Hani_Santa Wait? So in this current era of domination, the team, driver and strategists also get some credit? Strange. Before RB I heard the car was the sole responsible for every title. That the guy driving it was lucky and the strategy was easy and so many other things. lol
0:41 whoa whoa whoa what a wild choice of words in the closed captioning!
Imagine if it's Mclaren vs. Max for the next two years. The only colour in the grandstands will be orange!
McLaren can't party the way the Dutch can.
It’s impressive how they said they recognized they went the wrong way development wise, said they changed towards the right direction, and were actually right. A lot of teams say that but very rarely are correct.
They bought a top RBR technical guy remember…..
@@Redlingstein so did Aston, worked out to begin with but going backwards now. Also not sure the RB guy is even allowed to work yet.
McLaren has had a few good results so far but that's about it for the time being, out of 16 races or 32 possible finishes, they finished in the top 10 only 18 times and 8 of which in the top 5.
It's a long way from being able to consistently perform on every track and be in the fight for podiums and whatnot, they'll probably finish the season pretty strong but we all know how the top teams are far along with next year's car and the gap might be a lot larger again at the start of '24.
I really would not be sure about that. McLaren has put all their efforts in this car just to catch up Red Bull. In my opinion they will be on the backfoot again next season.
Except they’re already working on next seasons car lol if anything they should be a lot closer to the bulls but I doubt they’ll challenge them for the championship next year. At best I expect to see them win a few races next year but not enough to be a threat tho maybe for the constructors if Perez stays and has another season like this one.
Seems like the secret to rapid improvement in F1 competitiveness is Danny Ric leaving your team.
They're paying Ricciardo a lot of money for the remainder of his contract but looking at McLaren's results this season, it is money well spent.
Alpha Tauri 2025 champs
Letting go Danny Ric was a good decision even if the team had to pay him
@@buttercupstruelove340zak confirmed they stopped paying him when he rejoined f1.
The money badger ruined McLaren in 2021 and 2022 and doesn't deserve a seat. Unfortunately, he got the AT seat instead of Lawson 😤
It wasn't a serious threat, and the only obvious target they could set for their future. But if I'm wrong and they would really bring a title fight I'm all up for it!
I would be cautious about that. Remember the hype about Aston Martin?
The truth is we won't know until at least Feb test and more likely not until the first race in Bahrain in March, if any team can challenge Red Bull.
Yeah but that doesnt pay f1 medias bills
(No hate just the truth)
As Ferrari was to end the long Mercedes dominance, as Mercedes was to end Red Bull present dominance...now it's McLaren to end Red Bull future dominance...not.
Okay so they will dominate forever
@@null_spacexthe one true God of F1 is regulation changes
@@null_spacex Nope, all good things come to an end... but Red Bull won't be struck down at the hands of McLaren, not as an engine customer. That ship has sailed when Zak Brown told Honda to "take a hike" and went "engine shopping" instead. Imagine what could have been...
@@aoife1122 gp3 engine 🖤
@@null_spacex GP2, no? Anyway, someone forgot to tell Zak (and Fernando) that Honda only turns up at Formula 1 to win eventually. Anything exclusively supplied is better than "customer cr@p" from bins #2, 3 or 4... and yes, "binning" is very much a thing with race engine manufactures. They may all be manufactured to the same specification but no two engines are the same and the works team will always have the "pick of the litter". ;)
This sounds good for the team but remember that we were talking the exact same for aston martin and look at what happened to them , both aston and mclaren are heavily influenced by the rb concept and ofcourse copying that will lead to performance but is it short-term? , because with a copied concept you will never be able to match the ones who actually designed it ,
Instead taking the ideas which the rb concept works upon like downwash , platform control , stability , suspension kinematics etc should be worked on by the teams with an original concept of theirs
Aston Martin went in a different direction this year, i really don't get it why people still say "RB concept" to AM smh.
The main issue for Aston Martin was the flexi wings which they relied a lot to help with the drag in faster circuits.
If that's all a team does it may get them up front a few races but they will inevitably lag behind.
I always watch these technical based videos but I'll be honest.. I don't understand a thing.
It is cool to see how small parts can affect a car's performance tho
Hard cuts to Bahrain where they finish 21st & 22nd and are 5 laps behind. I remember the hype train I was on in 2022 after they nearly won two races in 2021, I'll temper my expectations
I'll be delighted if we can get a handful of wins and regular podium finishes in 2024. 🧡
Handful? Ffs be realistic. You didnt even say 1 or 2. A HANDFUL 😭
@@slymitch6758 A man can dream. :D
I'm not sure about catching RB but dammit boy they really made a move the second half of the year! I know every team gets upgrades throughout the year but over the years of watching F1 I have never seen a team make this big of a jump.
As much as I would love that McLaren looked very strong going from upper midfield to finally with the top teams but they've flopped enough at this point to make me hesitate
yeeeaaaaahhh boi, been a fan of mclaren since the early 90's
first time i have been excited about them in a long time, and like... genuinely excited about their potential
No they are not..
their success comes from copying RB..so in essence, they have a slightly worse RB car...they might win the odd race here and there, but they are never going to challenge for a championship when they are not even a works team...
Red Bull won't be a works team until 2026.
Something nobody talks about… Torro Rosso used to have acess to the last years spec Red Bull. So even if some of these teams find 1/2 second per lap. If the new Alpha Tauri is a rebadged RB19 they could shoot to P3 in the constructors.
really hope mclaren can get back to the top. love seeing them so high
Just wait for the 2024 RB hits the tracks during winter testing. 😂😂😂😂😂
Wow. That sounded like something Zak Brown would have said. If Lando is thowing fighting words like that, it's really about to go down
well put video
I wonder how much of Mclaren turn around is due to the suspension layout of Mclaren and RB (they are the only 2 cars that use a pull-rod / push-rod configuration). At this point the top teams understand the basic RB aero advantage but if the suspension can´t cope with the DF then is useless (as Merc show last year).
I'm no engineer but I have heard Adrien Newey really concentrated on the suspension more than any other part of the car.
Mclaren really need to capitalise on the headstart it has got on ferrari, mercedes and aston regarding car concept for next season
As long as RB is using that Honda Engine and Neweys Designs, It'll be very difficult
Every team is coming for RB! An over 19 second deficit for McLaren at the end of a race is huge to overcome. Are they headed in the right direction? Clearly they are but this sport is measured in tenths of a second per lap. Anyone who thinks RB cannot find those tenths for next year may want to reconsider that thinking.
McLaren, Aston Martin and Mercedes are all playing catch up with the same power unit and Mercedes appears to be the furthest behind because the two aforementioned customer teams have bested them with bigger leaps in performance without the benefit of their own wind tunnel. Once the playing field is level on that front Mercedes will be further in the hole.
Then there is the Max factor. Like him or dislike him he is a generational talent. If he was to quit after this season he would still be recognized as one of the greatest of all time. He can extract performance from a car that others cannot. How many have crashed and burned driving the same car as him..... three soon to become four.
He is gifted, can handle pressure and is fierce, while lots of other drivers on the grid are good, great or excellent.
Max showed in 21 he can be vulnerable, Saudi qualifying, Saudi race, Brazil running Lewis wide while calling it hard racing. No one is unbeatable.
I would kill for a Drive to Survive, Factory Edition. This is as an engineering competition after all and all the action is back in the factories hidden from the fans.
Just remember where they were with alonso, and how fast and steady they have progressed! It's been mega, and Sundays start teamwork was fantastic.
I think they now also have the best team lineup, outside of mercedes, on the grid. Verstappen may be world champion, but the team needs both drivers to be equally quick and bring both cars home on or in the top 5 every race to win the constructors. And that's going to be redbulls constant weakness until verstappen retires
How fast?? That was almost ten years ago now 😂.
Red Bull can win the Constructors with just Max winning the bulk of the points finishes right now but in the coming seasons as other teams close the gap and begin seriously challenging for wins, it becomes imperative that Red Bull must have two drivers who can finish closer to each other. This is also a shortfall with Aston Martin. Lance Stroll is not capable of delivering what Alonso and the car can do and Stroll's lack of good points finishes will be their downfall if they lose 4th place in the Constructors to McLaren.
Their momentum has slowed down quite a bit though. They went backwards last year compared to 2021 and were nowhere at the beginning of the year. I'm not convinced they'll move much further forwards very quickly
Shows how little difference there really is between top and bottom. Shows how good Verstappen must really be to consistently outperform the entire field almost all the time.
3:30 this is incorrect.
many f1 aerodynamists have shown that the point of the edge wing is to spin up the vortex that seals the underfloor, and also change the location of said vortex in the diffuser. the air around the rear of the floor/in front of the rear tire is actually being sucked into the floor, so the air that comes on top of the floor in that area gets sucked back in. its a very sensitive area and extremely important to get this right as if affects rear downforce tremendously
I don’t think RB seems them as threat.
I think RB would actually benefit from another team fighting for points behind them, as Mclaren poses a greater threat to Mercedes and Ferrari than RB itself.
The messier the fight behind the Red Bulls, the less likely to be caught they would be.
I’d love to see McLaren challenging for the constructors championship in 2024
If Mclaren really wants to compete with Red Bull they need to be a lot more efficient in the winterbreak. The last two winterbreaks they struggled getting a car out of the factory. But I do agree the current trend is a lot more promising, we just don't know how close they are when Red Bull starts cooking in between seasons, it's a relative.
Did you do the narration for the "How It's Made" TV series?
Lando deserves a race winning car for his loyalty alone, but I fear if McLaren can get into a race winning position it may be Piastri standing on the top step!
I hope so, I can’t wait until next season❤
The way they are changing the car so extensively to suit each track is commendable. The Mercedes engineers should learn how to use their own engine from what McLaren are doing with it 😂
It always sounds RBR will just stop at some point and wait for others to catch up. Funny enough
Yeah except red bull only upgraded their car with planned upgrades b4 bahrain. Theyve been working on 24 allmost all year. Sp while yes Mclaren is doing amazing things i dont expect they are even close on their 24 car compared to red bull. Now maybe the %age rbr loses will hurt but being so O.P. this yr i feel they will not even notice
"That might be a ridiculous claim for a McLaren team." Yup!
McLaren : "We're coming for RedBull"
Meanwhile..
Ferrari : "We're checking"
Lando, Norris, telling Red Bull we are coming for you and Oscar is coming to for you Red Bull🧡
"We're copying Red Bull" would be correct.
isnt everyone in F1
Worked for Aston 😂😂😂
@@Jupitersonlyson
It didn't, their car is completely different.
amazing these engineers and designers can make a tiny bit of changes and make the car faster
Newey chuckles when hearing this but go on.
These statements is exactly when things start to go south every time. Remember Aston Martin? "Last race not on the podium"?
The way i see it is that mclaren are ahead of both ferrari and mercedes with the current concept. And unless both ferrari and merc have an unbelievable development over the next 6 months then it will be mclaren closest too redbull in 2024. And with the additions of not only the new wind tunnel and sim plus also sanchez and especially rob marshall then mclaren will seriously push redbull next year whilst the rest catch up. Aston will need to improve as well.
Is that Marco Mattiachi sitting in the middle of that Aston Martin meeting @ 8:30???
yep, afaik he's in Lagonda, not the F1 team itself.
@@dieguitotristan1774Ah thanks, makes sense 👍
Tbh I feel their jump is because Mercedes and Ferrari hasn’t developed this year car much. Next year will be the real test
as a person who sees in computational fluid dynamics i see this as an absolute w
Mclaren would have to hope that the other teams dont find the secret sauce and pass them by next year, look at aston they had it all and it took a bad upgrade path and now they are struggling to stay in fourth place
That’s a lot of changes no? How do they manage to find those resources when others don’t in the same budget? Genuinely curious about where their development efficiency comes from.
Still quite a way behind the RB it seems, unless the RB car falls off in preformance in 2024 then I don't see them catching up.
I don't think they have it just yet. Remember it a copy of the RB. But let us see
Given that max is still averaging a 20 second lead over the rest of the field, I highly doubt that McLaren will do enough over the course of one season to reverse their luck and challenge RB. However, the steps they have taken towards improving have been impressive, so I just hope they keep up with the progress
7:19 got the Mercedes sidepods reversed boys. Zero pods were old, letterbox sidepods are new
Doesn't this sound a bit like 1997? At the time , they had 3 winless season and last won the title in 1991.Though Coulthard won the opening race taking advantages of the problems Ferrari and Williams had , they were basically only the 4th team on the grid. They really came alive in the second half of the season specially with Hakkinen having few pole-positions and retiring from the lead 2-3 times ( which undirectly hugely helped Villeneuve's case) and David winning at Monza. Then , in 1998 , they had the best car on the grid.
There was a major rule change in 1998 though, which included narrower cars and grooved tires. So that comparison is not really applicable.
@@CJGZW1993 that plus Newey switching from Williams to McLaren in 97.
Mclaren signing Newey and a regulation change in 98 helped matters greatly.
Only if FIA comes up with a change. Other teams have no chance to catch RB until 2025 if nothing changes.
I'm still positive that Aston Martin are currently chucking all their resources into next year's car and that's why they aren't developing much. They got their podiums and now they want to make a car that can win
Every time a team does well in one single race: Media - "They are the best team very soon it's going to happen they will win!" Next race, finish back in the same spot: Media - 'Why 'x' team is floundering!'
The biggest reason I don’t see this happening is based on the way their seasons start. For the past 3 years they’ve always been on the same trajectory from the start to the end of the season, they start off the season having an embarrassingly slow car, and then work their way up as the races go by, and don’t have a competitive car until mid season.
That will not happen to redbull. Redbull having a bad start to a season is having the second/third fastest Car. McLaren having a bad start to the season (which is them having a normal start to the season) means struggling to get out of Q1 and finishing 5 positions up from last place. I don’t see this trend stopping for them, so as much of a McLaren fan as I am, I cannot believe that this has any possibility of happening
Lando looked rattled after qualifying, Piastri is seriously fast!
Lando & Piastri are pretty even on single lap pace, but when it comes to race pace, Lando still has the upper hand there. Oscar still has some learning to do when it comes to tyre deg.
I think if I had a rookie next to me and he had just out qualified me on arguably the best drivers track in the world
at he's first visit, I would be a little rattled!
I commend McLaren for what they did so far this year but do they really think Max pushed for that 19s gap ?? He could have won that race by 30+ sec but didn't need to, probably running the PU at lowest effective settings & saving tires.
For a Dane, 2014 is an F1-milestone, because it's the year KMag entered F1 and even with mighty McLaren-Mercedes. And, as most know, that's when their vertical decline kicked in. So it has been ten seasons for McLaren to get back to the top. A dream would be to see Norris go to Red Bull, Mercedes or Ferrari in 2025 and have KMag back at McLaren to end his career there, as a one or two year stop-gap teammate to Piastri. It's highly improbable it wil happen, but it would be fun. If you're a Dane... :)
Lando + Oscar = Landoscar 😅
i don't buy it, with the recent reg changes, so many teams have brought upgrades to a car and got a performance boost and mistook that for an entire upward momentum, we saw that with Aston Martin, glimpses with Mercedes and Ferrari, and now Mclaren, for anyone to even qualify to even be called a threat to Redbull they need to be on it all season. With the new regs, a car can be exceptional at one track and be dreadful at the next, except for Redbull (barring Singapore), so Mclaren need to be on it at a majority of the tracks to convince me they are the one's to dethrone the newey machine.
There is not another team I would rather see up there with RB. Lando is a class act and def one of the best drivers on the grid right now
Obviously, the Norris-Piastri duo is better than Max-Checo, since although Max is the best driver on the grid (he has been since 2021, and is arguably one of the best in history), Checo is a worse driver than the surprising rookie Piastri. Yes, surely next year RB will have it more difficult due to the wind tunnel time restriction and the natural convergence of the cars, but let's be realistic, RB has it all.
They have the best car, the best driver, the best pit stop crew, the best strategists, the best engineers... They are literally the best at everything, they hardly fail and when they do it is not fatally. Because of this, it is practically impossible for someone to beat them in the WCC or WDC until 2026.
@@dancoxhead8757 he scored more points, with fewer race finishes than hamilton. He was incredibly consistent in 2021, Hamilton lost the title because of various mistakes HE made across the year, not because of the final race.
Baku?? Hello??
Hamilton had an easy 2nd place, a FREE 18 point swing after Max's puncture and DNF, but instead his own mistake cost him everything and he ended up behind Mazepin at the flag.
@@dancoxhead8757 unbiased😂😂😂
Nice to see McLaren step up. Maybe Norris will get a championship with Mclaren after all
Landooo 🟠 Making McLaren fast again let's hope we can keep up development and keep getting faster and mount a decent challenge for the constructors next year and beyond.
Liam Lawson needs a full time drive l would put him in Lance Slow's seat he will go real good with Fernando and Aston would improve the team...but dreams are free.
Up the 🟠 Papaya ⛳
how bout Lando to RB and Liam 2nd driver for McLaren..?
Good shout l don't hate that ⛳
"Mercedes has to be the team most likely to challenge Red Bull, given its history"
Sounds like something you said in 2021 and 2022. But its history of wins involved a PU advantage over most teams, a budget advantage over most teams, and refining its existing car with a mountain of data. In the years it was under pressure, it could spend more on development and wasn't under a CFD/tunnel limit. McLaren, AM and Ferrari might have less recent operational experience with winning races, but that doesn't mean they can't optimise their 2023 designs while Merc are starting from scratch.
Mclarens recovery is impressive but they should be critised for starting poorly twice in consecutive years which is why I will always be skeptical of any title charge from them.
If only they would have started with the car they have now.
This is a bit too rosy for me, but let me tell you something. Lando is fast, but Oscar is the real threat here. He's a rookie, but one dangerous silent killer. I see him as the future challenger to Max.
by the time anyone catches up there will be new rules. I would leave the rules for a few years and just let them converge.
McLaren certainly win the award for most improved both this year and last year. If they can actually start next season with a half decent car so they don't have as. much to catch up they might have a chance of a win or two if Max runs in to problems.
Mika Hakkinen was bold enough to say they’d threaten RB, but damn has he been right
I don't hate Mcleran (I'm Ferrari fan), but it is still too early. Dont forget RB has stopped upgrading already snd still won by 19 seconds in Japan, a normal race track.
I like the enthusiasm buy +19 sec adrift is not inspiring confidence !!
Could you say that McLaren opting to scrap the earlier pre season concept and the subsequent sacrifice of early races is a tell tale that McLaren have a deeper understanding of how to make a fast car with current regs than all but red bull? Puld this be an early sign that they will indeed get closer if jot catch up yo red bull?
Would be cool to see McLaren getting a shot at a title. First i want Norris to be world champion and then in 2025 Piastri. And then after that Ferrari. lol
Alonso would be cool as well.
I am a Max fan, but I would also sign up for your list. Especially if they are hard fought victories. And after that a redemption drive from Max again lol.
I want McLaren so badly to be the one challenging RB. I don't mind Mercedes not winning or competing at the top for 1-2 more years, and I'm kinda sick of Ferrari always bottling it. I know that if McLaren is fighting at the beginning they won't do much better than Ferrari in 2017,18 and 22 but it will be refreshing to have McLaren up there for once. Obviously that Lando is my favourite driver and McLaren my favourite team is the reason I wish this happens, but tbh, I think that's the opinion quite a few F1 fans have probably.
While RB and Mercedes are working on 2024 car, Ferrari and McLaren are still upgrading 23' car. It's obvious that they aren't coming for RB next year.
From those years of blaming everything on Honda - they've really overhauled the organisation.
Hopefully we can look at the malaise years, as the buildup leading to next golden era
But how did Gary not catch that the yellow arrow was pointing the wrong way in the aero diagram 😮