Not only did Max broke the RB Junior programme, he also technically did break the entry into F1 in general. The Super License system was in response to Max being too young in the F1 grid and the fears that F1 would be filled with too much young drivers. Probably the ironic reason why RB didn't have any junior drivers eligible to take the vacant seat at Toro Rosso.
lol imagine if they did nothing about that, we'd see Piastri in a Red Bull I think. Probably a teenager in AT every 2 or 3 years if they kept trying to find a new Verstappen xD
@@Willbrse and? Heck I started racing karts as an adult for a bit of fun. And I have no problems in saying that most 10-year-olds were better drivers and racers than me on track. Some of the 16-year-olds at the track I raced were good enough to compete in F2, but money pushed them in other directions, V8 supercars, Porsche cup, etc. RB gave talent a chance before they ran out of talent.
Well, they did not introduce the super license system, but they did tighten the requirements. Such as having a valid drivers license for the road and being 18 minimum. Max would not have qualified for those.
In a way, the system works. We need to remember that half of the F1 teams have (ex)RedBull drivers in them. Not only Williams and Alpine, but Ferrari no less.
@@PatrickBhardwajFerrari (Alfa Romeo and Haas) and Mercedes (Williams, Aston Martin and McLaren) share reserve drivers with the teams they provide engines to but I don't think they would be allowed to purchase a 'B Team' these days. It doesn't happen in other sports where two teams in the same championship have 1 owner.
Hartley was never going to be a contender for a Redbull seat but he did play a key role in helping Honda develop their engine to the point where it was good enough to be put into the Redbull
How much of an impact does driver feedback have on engine development, though? Especially in reliability, which if I recall correctly was the chief initial issue with the Honda PU
@@davidmccourt6139 it was lacking in all areas really except sound, but that doesnt win races. Reliability, drivablility and power was a diamond in the rough. Almost qualified to a piece of coal
@@davidmccourt6139 a le mans veteran will likely know more about engine reliability and high performance than Gasly or Sainz would given their lesser experience in cars that can operate for longer than 2 hours. I don't think it made him a wizard at engine development but he'll have had a definite idea
A lot, especially if the driver is known for nursing cars home, and not driving them like Alonso's win-or-break mentality Testing is limited in F1, so honda and Rb benefited from having a competent wheelman that could deal with the stress of driving an F1 car, when they had no one else to turn to.
McLaren team boss (Zak Brown) said if they had 2 Perez the championship would be wide open and that although RBR has the best car, there wouldn't be such dominance.
@@daarom3472Perez only now drives in a top/leading team. Before he drove average teams, so he's not used to being at the front all the time. That does have an effect.
@@kkrsnn5632 Dude's been racing at the front for at least 3 years now , not consider his junior years. That excuse has run its course. In fact, I'd argue the RP20 would've been a frontrunner in the hands of Max, Lewis or Charles. So I'd say he has had 4 years at the front, he's just not that fast anymore and the new regs or the RB philosophy took away his mystical tire saving.
@@kemibobdon't forget that winning an Formula E title is a little *cough* different than F1. And I guess we have seen it happen now. Even taking into account that the Alpha Tauri is in no way a great car.
I think this whole saga can be explained as "finding someone as fast or faster than Daniel Ricciardo". So far they've only succeeded once, with Verstappen. The rest is just giving people a shot, looking at the results, and saying "Nope, not a contender". Perez has been generally acceptable, prior to this year but we'll see if given the option of "actually Ricciardo again" or Perez, what they'll do.
He was slower than Ricciardo. Lost 2 years and Red Bull done their 1 man job from the 3rd year onwards and excluded Ricciardo from all team meetings, data and no upgrades. No driver since has ever has fresh day 1 upgrades on the car.
Maybe even Tsunoda tbh. It really really depends on how the Tsunoda vs Ricciardo saga unveils between 2023-2024 (checo's contract ends in 2024) so we can only wait and see
The truth is they always put a clear No2 in next to Max and then complain when they are not at Maxs standard. They would not dare run another No1 next to Max, someone like Norris, Leclerc, Alonso, Hamilton, even Sainz. Maxs ego would be too hard to manage and I expect that Max would not be seen as such a great driver he is now. At the end of the day Max has delivered so no need to rock the boat i guess, but would be great to see two top drivers at Red Bull.
@@s1lveralkaro900 Mercedes also wouldn't keep drivers around if they performed like Gasly or Albon. Similarly, they'd replace the nr2 for a generational talent in a heartbeat. Mercedes had more experienced drivers, and didn't have to clear a seat for a talent like Max. RB's situation was a lot more dynamic, and they're more ruthless as well.
I would lightly suggest that dangling a race seat in front of a driver but never actually giving them a seat, is worse than Red Bull actually giving a driver a chance to prove themselves, whether it works out for them or not.
exactly shove them in the car and fire there ass if they dont perform red bull is right to demand high standards of there drivers what do you think racing team are design to do there no paying you multi million dollar contract on a race that cost millions upon millions to develop r and d and deploy so you can feel good about yourself your there to win.
RB gives drivers a chance, most of them don't make it long and the way they are "binned" is ruthless but how many drivers got a cockpit thanks to Mercedes or Ferrari? Russell in 2019, Leclerc in 2018 and maybe Schumacher counts as well but somebody else? De Vries waited for years to get a real drive and it didn't happen thanks to Mercedes, just saying.
@@Bansheee-p5o Why? Unless you are extremely satisfied with them, it isn't. RB's MO might seem sanguine, but they give more chances than anyone else on the grid. Or do you think that if hamilton had not swam the way he did there would have been a season 2 for him on the cards?
@@HTOP1982 it's usually the case that when a work place has that many people coming and going so quick, you avoid going there, because there is likely a toxic culture, which certainly seems to be the case with RB, what with helmet and horner slagging off checo to the media every opportunity they get. I have worked in such places and it's awful. Terrible management style
Totally agree! They're the only top team to give upcoming drivers a chance. Mercedes had 5 drivers in total over the course of 14 seasons and it's not gonna change anytime soon! Ferrari hasn't brought up anyone either except for Leclair, Schumacher was butchered at Haas, which isn't any better that how RB dealt with De Vries.
Why would mercedes or ferrari churn through drivers when the drivers they have are already top tier and in the case of Mercedes winning 8 straight constructors? Quality over quantity?
10 races for De Vries was way more that what he could gather with Mercedes for years. F1 is not a charity, if there's no money to be made or objectives are not met, it's time to give an opportunity to better athletes.
Been saying this for a while replying to RB haters comments on their strategy with drivers - RBR has promoted more drivers to F1 than every other team altogether, and they have made the most out of 2 of the best drivers in the last 10-15 years. It’s not their fault the other drivers are not top tier. Red Bull is always looking for the next generational talent they have in the ranks and so far they have been doing their job excellently.
Thing is if their new metric for being worthy of the RB seat is Max, they might find themselves up a creek without a paddle when Max retires and they haven't found Max v2.0.
RBR have promoted more drivers to F1 than any other team because they simply have two teams. They can test drivers, engines, etc. which is an advantage.
When there are so limited seats available and so many young hopefuls trying to get one, the teams ultimately have the power to hire and fire as they please. That's life.
there are no excuses for the way nyck's performance for those 10 races. it was clear that he was a lost cause and daniel was a way better option for them.
@@petticlone to be fair a lot of those races he was gathering datas on the new tires and how it affects the car. hence why yuki's race was prioritized.
@@satriabagaskara4198 Yeah, but you can't be beaten by slower cars, you can sometimes be beaten by your teammate, but when a Wiliams is overtaking you or beating you in qualy, you know something is wrong, if it was only albon that was beating De Vries, then ok, but he was beaten by Sargeant on many occasions, you can't justify that.
Max is a very radical beast. A generational talent for sure, and while you may argue that redbull's moves for the second seat have been harsh, they need to be. Max is just that good that no other teammate has been able to play on his level. Even checo is still playing catch up. Redbull is good, but max makes it the best,
Dude Checo this current season is just trash. You may even put one of those Red Bull Junior Rookies and they might have done a better job at Red Bull car this season than Checo. We still have 10 more races to go just to see how garbage he is. The dude can't even stay consistently in 2nd/3rd in such a beastly car. I honestly wanna see him go already, if not, maybe at least at the end of 2023
But looking at their methodology, they landed on Verstappen by accident only by throwing enough drivers at the wall to see what stuck. They've shown since that they never really know what they have or why until it prevents itself. They've still "found" and definitely have developed nothing themselves. They even let Vettel go until BMW showed them what they had. So now that the RBR development program is turning out duds for a decade straight now, good luck on attracting new talent even if Marko can actually identify it, which I have no faith in him being able to do.
He was a safety car away from not winning the title in 21. If Ferrari had got there act together they could have won the title last season, now his in a rocket ship his good but not generational.
RB driver program is just not doing well. F1 isn't short of talent. We have Russell, Norris, Leclerc, and now Piastri within the last 4-5 years. These guys would bode well against Max. Tsunoda can probably be really fast also, but AT isn't going to show much.
Not quite sure I agree that RB needs to address anything. They can do what they want with their drivers. Seems like everybody seems to have some sort of issue with De Vries getting the cut. He was not overlooked by anybody, but was just slower than other prospects when he was trying to get a drive in F1 before Alpha Tauri. They slotted Daniel in over De Vries because Daniel was faster during his testing and De Vries was severely under performing. The point of the seat that he had was to have someone push Tsunoda. When Tsunoda is almost a full second over a teammate who isn't a pay driver, whats the point in keeping them? Let's also not forget that De Vries was a Formula E champ, and was constantly involved with Mercedes and testing. He didn't deliver in this seat. Perhaps he'll get another chance somewhere else and he'll perform better. Daniel will do much better in pushing Tsunoda and lead the Alpha Tauri team. Seems like a good business and racing decision to me. Do we make videos how other sports are unfair like if a player gets injured, comes back and they aren't as good/explosive as they used to be? No, you start the better player if you have a better player. In this case, De Vries was under performing for the intention of that seat, they slotted in another driver they had on the books, who, lets be real, was probably getting paid more to be a reserve driver than what De Vries was getting paid, so business wise, lets get our monies worth. Nycks salary -2,000,000 Daniel's salary (just from redbull) 2,100,000
at least Nyck got a chance with RedBull, he's been trying for years at different teams and didnt manage to get a seat. perhaps if williams was an option this year it was a better one but cant blame him for the choice he made
Any driver is incredibly fortunate to have an F1 seat. Perform or get replaced. When Max was coming in they said “F1 isn’t a place to learn” and that’s as true as ever.
RedBull aren’t afraid of changing drivers to get or stay at the top! In any other industry aggressive hiring and firing to get results would be considered normal. I like the way RedBull operates, yes ruthless at at times but the aim of the game in F1 is to win and decisive decision making is so often key to making that happen!
I mean, technically RBR had brought way more opportunities to drivers than pretty much all other teams combined on the grid, even Nyck, at least had his chances as a full time.
I would say that no other industry aggressively hires and fires people. It's incredibly bad for morale and in a lot of places would require costly buyouts or be downright illegal. Every industry aggressively headhunts talent, but very few successful companies stay successful without good internal succession planning. Succession planning is the part RBR is failing at right now. If for any reason Max were to stop racing they would have a pretty big hole to fill and would need to buy out a driver a la Bottas after Rosberg retired.
you need to visit the 3rd world my friend, every Friday is firing day, even multinational companies from the first world located here that are supposed to be more sensitive, they love to apply such traditions, there are cases of people fired in the 3rd week.@@MattGurrola it is game of thrones combined with musical chairs in hell. Lol, but yeah lots of industries are more aggressive than Redbull tbh. Horner stayed as TP for 8 years of relative failure.
@@ChuyR. I have no doubt that this occurs, but I can't say any my experience in Latin America or the experience of my colleagues reflects this. Granted we've all worked for multinational companies based in NA or EU.
so you dont let me use my hyperbole but you can use yours eh? we cant generalize neither statements therefore "no other industry aggressively hires and fires people" is incorrect@@MattGurrola I am not mad or anything, just wanted to yank your chain, cheers!!
@@Lozza97 They could have placed him in another team as they did with George, but they chose to allow Red Bull to place Albon in the other Williams seat last year instead. Kid is 28 going on 29, and is a known quantity in the motorsport world. Someone else went out on a limb to finally give him a chance, and he couldn't hang.
Redbulls handling is pretty brutal. But they are at the very least one of the few times who will give drivers a shot instead of being benchwarmers inside the team facilities. Its also a bit bold of the Mercedes squad being judgemental about Nycks treatment when they themselves never put him in a seat. Toto landed Ocon at Renault and George at Williams for instance
Ferrari gave Massa and Leclerc their opportunities. McLaren gave Hamilton and Norris theirs. Mercedes had Bottas and Russell come through their program. This idea that RBR is the only team that gives young drivers opportunities is one of the great myths of this generation. Difference is, those other teams know what they have before they decide to put drivers in their cars and the commit to them instead of just seeing how sticky they are for half a season at a time.
1. They gave him a Formula E seat. 2. They have 2 seats instead of Red Bulls 4 seats. 3. Red Bull would never rotate if they think that the pairing is solid enough.
@@F1jones half the grid is pretty much ex RB drivers. so the argument still stands. even if RB doesn't commit to these drivers at the end of the day, they've still had the chance to prove themselves on track and score a seat somewhere else. i mean just look at sainz, gasly, ric, even albon. get fast or get replaced, right?
It's the overall English negativety who doesn't see the benefits of the Red Bull system! How many drivers got a change at Mercedes when Hamilton was the number one driver( since 2013) Only when Nico stopped Bottas got a change and since Bottas left George got a change. That in the last 10 years. Albon, Gasly, Perez, Kvyat and Daniel! All these driver got a change to proof themselves!
Valid criticism of something = eNgliSh NeGaTiViTy Any criticism of Red Bull = BuT wHaT aBoUt MeRcEdEs Why would Mercedes change their lineup when both drivers are performing well? That's a brain dead take.
sounds like you missed the entire point of the video then nobody is disputing that red bull can find talent, but when half the field has drivers from your junior program that you mercilessly dumped or drove out and you continually have difficulties putting a driver in the second seat, it points to a larger problem that the way red bull management handles its talent. in much the same way ferrari has had title winning cars but couldnt convert because of strategic blunders, red bull has no shortage of talent that they can't seem to nurture into successful second drivers. at least, not under their own watch at the f1 level
@@cerb345 The thing is, F1 isn't a place you can afford to have your drivers get used to the car for more than 5 races, especially if you are a team that wants to fight for the title. They want amazing talents and they deserve to search for them given their amazing car, engineers, pit stop team and strategy team. Indeed looking for the equivalent of Max seems a bit too much given how Russell, Leclerc and Lando came from different environments and thinking the same world champion talent would come from their academy seems naive. Anyway they gave the drivers a chance, they showed they couldn't keep up with Max so they wanted someone else, pretty fair. Max was able to stay pretty close to Ricciardo someone that had 4-5 years experience in F1, from the first season. Redbull wasn't able to afford to give the second driver more than a season to get comfortable if they saw a better alternative.
@@gmbsmkd8888 Disagree a bit. When Ricciardo left Red Bull had to fill that 2nd seat and treated it like an audition process first with Gasly then Albon. When both didn't failed Gasly demoted not even reconsidered when Albon was demoted so cerb345 is correct there. De Vries only had 10 races. Gasly only had half season at RB.
If you wanna a chance at F1 your best option is Red Bull. They are the only team that seems to even consider promoting drivers. 7 drivers out of 20 have been in some kind of Red Bull car.
6:30 I think that is where people are wrong. I think Alex’s battles with Lewis shook his confidence. That feeling on top of being Max’s teammate and Red Bull’s high expectations. They didn’t give him enough time to rebound. He’s killing it now, besides the occasional error.
i have trust in williams making the right moves, especially with the new team boss in place. im only hoping that albon is willing to give his trust and loyalty to the team and when one day the car starts to be competitive, it'll be absolute chaos! and im here for that ride😈
Totally agree. And TBH I wouldn't rule out him returning to Red Bull in the future. His performance is quite consistent and his skills have hugely improved, IMO.
Speaking as a neutral (I genuinely don't have favourites anymore, at least not since Danon retired ;D I'm too old for those sorts of shenanigans), I don't think that RB are as "nasty" as they make out. They did give Gasly a second chance after he messed up in the RB team, after all. (Go through F1's history and you'll find far worse treatment of drivers!) That gave him a seat on the grid _and eventually a race win,_ something most drivers _never_ get, leading to him getting a chance with another team. Whether that's a good thing for him or not, only time will tell, but he jumped, he wasn't pushed. Albon was kept on, his drive in the DTM was financed by them alongside his test driver status with them (which has been acknowledged as definitely helpful towards Max's success), and they backed his move to Williams. He's still got attachments - be they friendly if not officially - to RB, and Horner still talks very positively about him. And despite him leaving RB, essentially in the lurch, they were the team to make up a position to help keep Danny Ric in F1, if not (at that point) potentially on the grid. Had Seb wanted to return during his worst days at Ferrari, it's _possible_ they'd have found a way to take him back. They'd have backed him up, at the very least. RB has never hidden how they "play the game". Those who sign up for the sister/junior team know what that "game" is. Ferrari, however, as an example, has put some Academy drivers in bad teams and done nothing else for them; Gio & Mick being two obvious examples. Throughout Gio's F1 career, there was constant talk about him going to Ferrari, which is probably one of the reasons no one else looked at him when he lost his Ferrari-backed seat at AR (although like many who don't make it in F1, he's definitely doing well in sports car racing). When it came to Mick Schumacher, instead of giving him a chance as a test driver - IMHO he needed a "year off" - they just dumped him. Mind, they did much the same to his dad... *No* team is perfect in how it deals with its drivers; even the best drivers may not get the respect they deserve. It's just because RB don't hide their methods that they get hammered by the press so often for them. Look at pretty much every grid in open-wheel racing, plus many other grids including motorbikes, and see how often you see Ferrari, Alpine, Mercedes, etc backing, then compare those numbers to the drivers in different teams sporting the whole RB design. They give so many juniors a chance that many now racing in the lower ranks heading to F1, for example, simply wouldn't be there because of lack of sponsorship. So make a choice, do you want bigger grids in the junior categories (plus all the other sports they're involved in), or, much smaller ones with talented drivers getting full-time jobs outside of racing? (Again, I'm coming at this from the position of a pragmatic neutral. I don't necessarily agree with RB's total philosophy, but I've always played Devil's Advocate ;))
Not the most knowledgeable here when it comes to the driver academy but there is a long term issue of being unsupportive to your drivers. You may have 3-4 seats in f1 but if keep burning those that take the seat on a whim, younger better drivers will start looking elsewhere before applying. Marko has the eye for talented drivers and the means of enticing them to drive for them but the trust of long term support and development is declining.
@@ndh06 No, every open-wheel driver not currently in F1 dreams of a seat in F1. What would be the alternative anyway? Indy? That's pretty much a US-only series and there's far less acclaim to be had there than from F1. No, F1 is the ultimate goal and every Formula driver would do anything to get there. Besides, drivers don't apply to F1 teams, they get chosen by talent scots like Helmut Marko. I mean they can apply but what counts is results.
@Arsenic71 I'm only suggesting that Marko start having problems getting the best talents if there is no support at the highest level. There will always be drivers willing to join the Red Bull Academy but it's not the only route to f1 and the best drivers might look elsewhere. Many teams were interested in Verstappen, but Marko only got Max because he gave the offer of skipping f2 something he can't do anymore.
@@ndh06 I see what you mean. But the fact is, right now and for the past couple of years, RBR have been THE standard. Regardless of F2 or super license minimum age, all this is just a result of some teams (usually Merc-powered ones) trying to prevent RB from hiring another Max. It won't lead to anything and at the end of the day, the best driver will end up in the best car. And RN that is the RB.
As a McLaren fan I hope Mark Webber doesn’t move Oscar Piastri into the Red Bull seat, but if he does I think Piastri would make Max work very hard. We are seeing a major new talent emerging in F1 and he’s a man in a hurry!
piastri looks very promising. the head to head is lopsided because lando is rapid but i have no doubt we'll be seeing piastri in f1 for many years to come
If anything, Mark's experience (and Daniel's) would prepare Oscar like no other has been prepared. That said, I bet Mark's not positioning Oscar for Perez's seat. He'll position him for Max's. Max keeps saying he won't go on forever.
@@shreetesh.9729Adrian newey said the car is made as fast as possible to be. Not bc it suits a certain drivers style. To put the blame of Checho's poor performance on the development of the car is just pathetic
Given a little longer Albon or Gasly as a solid number 2 could have been a prospect for the longer term. Pile the pressure on and of course they'll crumble and make mistakes, these may be superhuman in some respects, but they are still human!
No, Gasly and Albon would not have ben a solid number 2 for RBR. This is mainly down to the car and not so much Max or the team. Gasly and Albon drive cars with more rear grip and you see them oversteer more than understeer. That means if you put them in the most Oversteery car on the track, A.K.A RB17, RB18, RB18 b and RB19, they would continuously walk into a limit they most likely would not be able to fully break through. That + the pressure to get closer to or get better than Max, would spell an exit at any point in time.
I remember all this happening in real-time but hearing it recalled again in this video have given me whiplash. It’s very chaotic and so stressful for the junior drivers
I think RedBull's approached is not good nor bad. But if we see other teams, most of their junior drivers that have talent aren't given a chance in F1. They either have to do it by themselves or insane amount of luck. So I think RedBull has the best option for junior drivers.
Which teams have put as many rookie drivers in a car as redbull did? De Vries and others wouldn't have any chance in any other car. Half the drivers on the field stem from Redbull.
The fact is Red Bull might win every race this year, which would be the biggest team accomplishment in F1 history, and it’s because of Max. Checo doesn’t win some races this year where he didn’t podium or even the races he finished 3rd he was so far back. Monaco will go down as maybe Verstappen’s greatest moment, the crazy sector 3 he had to basically clinch the win and Red Bulls perfect streak
I think people forget how much Red Bull pay to fund young drivers careers. It’s not unreasonable that they have high expectations. There are a lot of drivers who would never have been able to afford to climb the racing ladder without Red Bull.
@atkascha and now he is not even a number 1 in AT. Great move. RB did a right choice, in 2018 Max was already equal to Riciardo, when Daniel was on his prime. And Max season after season going bettter and better
I'd prefer teams that are brutal in throwing young talents in the deep end, rather than teams that take too long before they offer a chance to their youth program like what Piastri had to go through with Alpine.
A real fun statistic that Russell is the ONLY Merc Junior driver to actually get to Merc, though that also depends how you view Michael Schumacher and Lewis Hamilton as Merc Juniors or not
@@Anishnaabe425Bottas was never a Merc junior, or a junior of any team, the closest he would've been was a test driver for Williams which became a race seat, still not a merc junior
Red bull have been just as brutal as most other teams, it’s just been at the forefront as they have been the only team with a true junior team. Leclerc and russell are examples of other teams bringing young drivers up through “junior” teams but doesn’t happen all too much. Red bull have always used toro Rosso as development for drivers to be at red bull. If they aren’t capable of that then they need to find another driver capable. Not really harsh as at least they are giving young drivers a go to prove themselves. De Vries would have never lasted more than 2 seasons no matter where he went, merc were never going to give him a go even if Lewis left.
youve got to go back a LOT further than Max to realize that Redbull was always here to look for wins which started in the Mark Webber era where they marked him as number one driver, he was quikcly out performed by the young Sebastian Vettel who then helped to form this approach of nurturing the young into success... 4 titles later, and since, the star young driver always took president since, its not a Max and Redbull thing, its just that Max has been successful AT the Redbull approach...
RB is doing what it needs to be successful. Think of it as a business, you need to make the best & suitable decisions to make things work. Hiring & firing is part of the process. Max is at his best & i am sure RB will also needs to take care of their best until the time that will come to an end. Nothing last forever. Why don't people look at RB points that they need to do what is best for the team. A driver doesn't make a team successful but a team behind a driver is the one giving a driver the chance to succeed.
So Daniel Ricciardo broke the RB young driver programme when he made a shock exit in 2018. It forced them to bring Pierre up too early and Albon was on his way to FE before he too was brought up too early. They have yet to properly replace him. Would be funny if he becomes his own replacement.
I'd say this is a good problem to have. Instead of getting comfortable in having only one good driver like Mercedes with Hamilton pulling all the weight RB are actually looking to push themselves further as well as their star driver. Sure it might not benefit the drivers all that much but there are more teams out there that can give them their seats if they like the driver that much and considering half the grid is RB juniors i'd say it's working pretty well.
Without Riccardo on the books, who would not have signed for AT when he left McLaren, de Vries would have had longer. RB switch drivers more often in F1 because they always have more available drivers who can come in at low cost. Sometimes that doesn’t work sometimes it comes up WC. Mostly it comes up fastest driver. Some teams have a YD program in name only (paying fees & holding options). RB give real F1 opportunity. Kyvat & Hartley both benefited from F1 exposure and Gasly & Albon are still in F1. Those that didn’t kick on after RB F1 are matched by those who were at other teams. Half the F-E grid raced for F1 in the last ten years including Mercedes.
Oh I forgot Sainz, that’s their big mistake & they know it. But they traded him for an engine contract exit and that was a random & odd decision to make.
@@MsZeeZed was that a bad decision though? it didn't look very good in 2018, but as we saw in 2019, 2020 and 2021, it was the right decision, Renault doesn't make good engines anymore and they were ready to be dropped by RedBull whereas Honda are loyal and work with the teams, even if they lost out on Sainz, they didn't lost out in the end
@@garbage2882 It was a mistake about drivers, but not overall. It was odd as normally a team takes a driver they don’t care for to gain an engine they do want, not lose a potentially good driver to drop an engine they hate. I would say Verstappen/Sainz would have been stronger than Verstappen/Perez, but RB know what they have and how tricky the balance of winning both championships is.
Well, no other teams give as much chances to different drivers as Red Bull after all. Many of these would never sit in an F1 car if they depended on the other teams. In the end... we need 4 more cars.... or 6.
tracks are required to have space for 26 cars under current rules. And.... F1 kinda needs more restarts considering how things are going, more FCY would be a good thing. More cars, more drivers, more histories to be told, more stuff happening on track. Anyone who likes racing likes more cars. Especially at the big ones like Spa, they look empty with current grid.@@Mark-vn7et
Hamilton should refrain from commenting on issues that don't concern him.. What Red Bull Racing (RBR) does with thier driver line-up is entirely their business, not his. Maybe if he focuses his attention on Mercedes performance, they might challenge RBR next season.
You should refrain from commenting on issues that don't concern you. What Hamilton thinks is entirely his business. May if you focus more on thinking yourself rather than what Hamilton thinks, you would post better comments.
quite hypocritical from lewis tbh, merc never gave nyck a chance, not even when he was reserve in 2020, russel took lewis seat then. but other teams are supposed to sacrifice their programme and line-up because he's supposedly good enough?
TBF to RB..at least their drivers can say they did race in F1 at some point..that's better than being a reserve driver for Alpine or Merceded who never gets to experience their dream for even a few races. In hindsight, De Vries, Hartley, JEV, Buemi, Alguersuari, Scott Speed, Bourdais, Kvyat and Gasly all DID race in F1 so that's better than nothing..no matter how their RB career ended.
They got their chance and didn't take it. RBR WANTS them to succeed! I dont understand why this is such a foreign concept to grasp. This is f1, fuck feelings. You gotta perform. Theres dozens of other qualified, talented drivers just waiting to jump in.
Good ol "The Race" dumping criticism on RB once again. F1 is the pinnacle and its a multi million dollar industry. You perform as a driver or you're out. RB gives more opportunities to young drivers than any other team and when they get good ones they support them as they did with Seb, Mark, Daniel and now Max. The only decision that you could now say with hindsight was questionable was letting Albon go. But at the time he didn't perform. All the others they got right
It’s because Red Bulls never had a driver as good as Max Verstappen is. I’m getting a little tired of people just not admitting it. The kid is better than everybody else. He is as good as Schumaker. It’s time to just face the facts.
You obviously never watched schumi cause anyone who watched that legend of a driver would not misspell his name like that. Max shares similarities to schumi yes but as good as Schumacher was is a stretch. Max has a ways to go before he is at schumi levels of greatness.
We still don't know that yet as his teammates have been rather weak. Perez is just at his worse right now. You can't say the car is bad bc he still in 2nd place after not making Q1 5 times in a row.
Red Bull in F1 is that one restaurant that has an excellent kitchen but you know Management is terrible to it's Cooks, but then tells everyone how amazing the food always is.
I think the main reason Daniel Riccardo was called to Alpha Tauri is to replace Perez eventually. Daniel had track times bery close to Max at Silverstone testing and the RB team probably thought he woukd make a good companion for Max. My guess is that Perez will be phased out soon, probably next season or the season after that thr latest.
The testing times at Silverstone are a Macguffin. More important is that Daniel stepped into a car he'd never driven before and immediately looked comfortable. He's a vastly superior driver to Perez, and if he can prove the McLaren era was a blip - which looks promising - then RB will make that swap without question.
You look at passed team mates to Verstappen, Danny is the only that has ever challenged him on track consistently. It's what led to their shunt in Azerbaijan. Danny is quick, much quicker than Perez, they already know this, but wanted to see what had happened with his time away. Had his natural talent gone? Nah, he was being forced to change his driving style well beyond it's reach. Get him back in a car he can feel and drive naturally, and watch him fly again.
Pérez is way too valuable as a marketing asset for Red Bull to simply let go, and as long as he can stay in the top two/three in the championship, he has nothing to fear.
@@halofreak1990 LOL Perez ain't shit when it comes to marketing. Not next to the universally-loved Danny Ric. Plus, bringing Danny home? Giving him the chance to win again? That's a pure marketing GOLDMINE.
30% of the total drivers or 3 teams worth of drivers currently racing are Red bull graduates, granted they have two teams and Marko is a Sith lord however drivers are given a shot which other teams are not
Verstappen is like an overpowered glitched final boss in a video game. Not a single person has beat him and no one has beat the game yet. So people are not so eager to even start playing.
@@EntropicExergy no it's DNF from crashing on his own. And the only year where Max beats Ricciardo, Ricciardo have 8 DNFs that season so it's the other way around.
I don't think its a Red Bull thing per se, they are just more extreme than other teams. No teams keep what they would consider dead weight if a faster alternative becomes available
Meh, Hamilton and Wolff just comes out as a whiny boys, because they aren't the ones winning everything in sight right now. When they were winning a lot, everything was perfect the way it was. Rulers are great, nothing needed to be changed. I don't like Red Bull churning drivers out to only to fail over and over, but Alpine and other teams are doing the same thing, but aren't in the spotlight right now. Alpine has 3 drivers that are current F1 drivers who were not given a shoot until they left Alpine.
I actually like Red Bulls approach, i might by ruthless but its "fair". The give young drivers a shot, if they miss it, they have the next one in the pipeline. U either perform from the get go, or get replaced, and another young guy gets the chance. They maybe go through like 4-5 "kids" who doenst make it, but the one who will make is a great talent. But at least they give many drivers the chance, this chance might be short lived, but at least it is one. Most other teams barely give those youngsters any chance at all.
I firmly believe that no driver is at their peak at 18. Even the best improve for years to come and part of that learning process is working through adversity and a string of bad results. Being able to experiment and find what works, be it the support around you, the team structure or mental strength that comes with experience is something young drivers don't have. While it's one thing to heap that pressure "to make diamonds", diamonds aren't made that quickly. Pressure needs to be applied over time. Red Bull have been chasing the next Verstappen esq talent when in reality they should be looking for the best number 2 driver. It's one thing to be willing to make the tough calls and cut drivers but as so often the case, is the lead driver at the junior team really better than what you currently have? It really seems they are cutting off their nose despite their face. There are only a handful of drivers in F1 I would drop Perez for, Hamilton, Alonso would be the two in a heart beat. Russell, Norris and Leclerc I probably would too but would definitely go through the numbers. Beyond those drivers what is the point in replacing Perez? He will work through his issues and be stronger for it. Alternatively put Riccardo in the seat but I'm not convinced you are getting a massive upgrade. Let the next crop of youngersters come in but stop pretending they're going to be Verstappen beaters. Let them grow and learn and if they can topple Perez or Riccardo then they'll do a job. Casting them off before then makes absolutely no sense
I agree. Max is generational talent and Redbull can squeeze many years out of him so they should search for decent number 2 driver who can match or beat Daniel and Sergio. But they should be aware of other team’s scouting departments in the future too. Who knows when next Max or next Lewis comes along.
@@ch4se98 Thing is it is F1, if you have the best car you will attract the best driver. Max is only there because of Newey and trusted everything would come together
I have to disagree with Lewis's comments. Atleast RB gave Nyck a chance, what did mercedes do when he was their junior driver and won everything. I do not stand by RB's approach but heck they do give chances to drivers, its upto the drivers to deliver from the very onset to survive.
Mark my words. Yuki will be in the Red bull once P2 in the championship this season for Perez is confirmed. ( Helmut just responded to a rumour of Daniel by saying that why not put Yuki in the car?that is more like the red bull way. Yes Yuki is not perfect but his pace has been there since 2021. Source Ziggo sport)
Yeah doubtful. DR has looked pretty competitive with Yuki in the AT04 despite Yuki having years of experience in that particular car (yes it changes a bit year to year, but usually incrementally so). That sounds like "nope, not a contender" to me.
Not a chance. Ricciardo already has beaten Yuki in both qualifying and races and we've only had two race weekends. He'll be the one in that RB next year, not Yuki.
This has been their strategy since their inception. Coulthard -> Vettel -> Ricciardo -> Verstappen. They always look for someone who can challenge their no. 1 and if it happens, lo and behold you get your new driver for the next 5-10 years. RBR probably hasn't even thought about Max's replacement because he's still young and seemingly still wants to compete for the foreseeable future. And by the time there needs to be a change, who knows if they'll still have a dominant and winning car.
Sainz, Albon, Verstappen, Gasly, Ricciardo, Tsunoda on the grid right now. Careers to many others who are still racing. Red Bull isn't a death sentence :/
Rb gropes in the dark for the next Max talent, which comes along once a decade at best. Anyone without the supreme confidence of Max, Seb, Kimi etc. is going to see the RB culling floor and stay with surer bets in other teams. Just because RB landed Max doesn't mean their strategy is good
If more teams were like redbull and ruthless with drivers it might be a lot tighter in points both driver and team championships. But many of them lack the will to add a clause in contracts that drivers could be sacked mid season for not doing good enough job
no it wouldn't, kids from f2 would be air dropped in halfway through a season, broken buy the end of the season and fired by the the beginning of the next season
Where do you think the replacement drivers would come from?? Even with multiple feeders into F1, the number of people in the world who can handle those cars is in the low dozen at any time. Swapping drivers mid season just causes chaos, or were you not paying attention in the 90s?
@@MichaelEilers with the massive budget cuts some teams had to do surely they can sponsor/scout carting championships round the world to get more drivers into feeder series that can lead to f1, max went from carting to f4 testing then f3 to f1 missing a lot of championships where its mostly drivers with rich parents
That's not the point - the raw talent to drive these cars and handle the decision making, thinking dynamically, reacting, dealing with the technology - it's not something that can be trained. These are the best drivers in the world and there's a finite number of people with that level of talent. @@HootMaRoot
I don't agree with RB/AT ditching drivers halfway through a season. But you cannot deny they've gotten amazing results (either despite of or because of their methods). Also a lot of the drivers on the current grid are there because of RB. They got them into F1, they gave them that initial chance. They're far from evil, as some people try to make them out to be. They are lucky Max could carry the team though, which makes it easier for RB to be picky with drivers.
I see Max eventually hurting RB at some point, the second new regulations come that he doesnt like or if the car gets slower/other cars catch up he will leave to go to endurance and GT3 cars.
sure, but RB is only loyal to RB. If Max wants to go RB wont beg him, espically if they still have the best car, If Max left tomorrow the whole order moves up and I still see RB being winners a lot. I dont know if Ric and Serg can be as fast as they need to be but it would be good racing, no more 30 second plus gaps from 1st to 2nd.@@MeltingRubberZ28
Max drove a lesser car (unreliable too) since he was a rookie and he never really gave up on red bull, so what’s stopping him for sticking another 2 or so years after his contract is up? If he get to taste 5 or 6 title, do you think he’ll stop there to beat his rival’s record? Max is extremely competitive, so we’ll see if he’s really gonna retire early.
I agree, but I feel like Max isn't just interested in F1. Like he got there, did okay, stuck it out every race hoping Lewis would wreck so he could win and he got a 5 star car and now he just shows up and ad long as he doesnt crash he wins. Sure being the top driver in the top motorsport is awesome and I'm sure he isn't complaining but I think his passion for motorsports in general will outweigh his passion for F1 sooner then later.@@Alp577
Honestly I don’t understand this video. RBR are killing it and have been since Verstappen joined. They have very high standards with their drivers and what’s the problem with that? RBR is in such a good shape and any driver would give their left foot to drive for them. Also, looking at what they are demanding from their drivers it’s not like the 2nd drivers have been that poor, it’s just that Verstappen is in a league of his own. I feel The Race should focus on making actual stories and not invent stories like this just to produce content and to find ways of bashing at RBR. RBR know exactly what they are doing and the success they’ve had should be proof enough that it’s working.
The problem is Max's driving style is hard for other drivers because he likes the car to have more over steer so the car rotates quicker that's the problem that many who drive with max Danny can handle the RB and Max's driving style but there hasn't been anyone who can handle it
@@انا_ابراهيم_البناويnot necessarily Riccardo is a late braker and likes to v off the corner. Riccardo has the potential but we saw what happened in 2018
Merc treated every teammate of Hamilton as an outsider. Bottas and Nico were clear about the toxic environment. Lol Hamilton aa usual not looking at himself before pointing fingers
We're lucky Max didn't sign with Mercedes because they would have buried him in Formula 2 & 3 for two years then had him as a reserve driver for two years then have him drive for Williams for 3 years until the new regulations kicked in. A once in a generation talent shouldn't be buried by team politics.
We all remember Max winning his first race in a Red Bull. But how many remember that Ferrari once again messed up their strategy, otherwise Kimi would have won because that car was much faster. And did everyone forget that Alex Albon would have won a race if not for an overmotivated Lewis taking him out of the race?
Messed up their strategy? Not at all, they gave Vettel the strategy that they all thought (RB themselves too, gave the same to Ricciardo that race) was the winning strategy. They gave Raikkonen the same strategy as Max, which turned out to be the actual winning strategy. Since that ferrari was faster, it was all Max with a superb drive defending perfectly against a faster car. You are right about Albon though, there is no denying that.
Absolutely. I would have never imagined considering a driver better than Senna. No way, no how, but here is Max now, literally better or at least equal than Senna at literally everything.
5:35 the comparison between Max and Daniel needs some context. Ricciardo had 8 DNFs in 2018 compared to Max's 4 DNFs. He was faster and more consistent than Verstappen in the first half of the season before suffering all those car issues both in qualifying and in the race. Daniel's drives in China and Monaco that year were amazing. If he would have stayed in 2019, I reckon they would have been pretty evenly matched.
I guess that is why Ricciardo has multiple championships and Max doesn't, oh wait... You lulu cultists really can't accept Max is vastly better than anyone on the grid, it makes you look like utter clowns. Max was always faster than Ricciardo from the start, if you would accept the facts you'd know that.
it is funny that people say lewis hamilton is the greatest driver ever, especially when he was beaten by his teammate not in one race but over the entire season..... max on the other hand, max has crushed everyone that has ever been next to him
Redbull wants to win !! LH had power with mercedes when he brought mercedes to higer levels...he is also an aggressive racer Remember??...in his high days'
Pretty negative video. Towards the end we see a bunch of drivers who will never get a chance in F1 for their respective teams. Drugovitch, Schwartzman, Pourchair, Jack Doohan, Vesti and the list goes on. I seriously doubt they'll be any of the 20 F1 drivers. Liam Lawson will be in Alpha Tauri, I'm sure of it. And if he does ok, well hear nothing. If he does poorly, The Race and other content creators will be sure to make videos about how Red Bull has failed again, until he gets replaced and then the narrative will be how evil red bull is. Question, if all the drivers that have failed at Red Bull were that good. Why didn't another team give them a seat? This only happened with Albon, and Marko has said that they could've handled that better. Obviously this video will get half a million views, as it has a thumbnail with Hamilton and a red bull car, and the word ruthless. And then if things kick off, they can make a video about tribalism, and how it's possible it exists in F1. Oh the irony.
Not only did Max broke the RB Junior programme, he also technically did break the entry into F1 in general. The Super License system was in response to Max being too young in the F1 grid and the fears that F1 would be filled with too much young drivers. Probably the ironic reason why RB didn't have any junior drivers eligible to take the vacant seat at Toro Rosso.
lol imagine if they did nothing about that, we'd see Piastri in a Red Bull I think. Probably a teenager in AT every 2 or 3 years if they kept trying to find a new Verstappen xD
@@Willbrse and?
Heck I started racing karts as an adult for a bit of fun.
And I have no problems in saying that most 10-year-olds were better drivers and racers than me on track.
Some of the 16-year-olds at the track I raced were good enough to compete in F2, but money pushed them in other directions, V8 supercars, Porsche cup, etc.
RB gave talent a chance before they ran out of talent.
But the super license is from almost 30 years ago..
bla bla bla bla thanks captain obvious for repeating what I said @@HTOP1982
Well, they did not introduce the super license system, but they did tighten the requirements. Such as having a valid drivers license for the road and being 18 minimum. Max would not have qualified for those.
In a way, the system works. We need to remember that half of the F1 teams have (ex)RedBull drivers in them.
Not only Williams and Alpine, but Ferrari no less.
True.
As much as I’d like to criticize Red Bull’s handling of these drivers, you make a very fair point!
They have a B team to help With that, Somehow i am suprised more teams are not making a B team.
@@PatrickBhardwajFerrari (Alfa Romeo and Haas) and Mercedes (Williams, Aston Martin and McLaren) share reserve drivers with the teams they provide engines to but I don't think they would be allowed to purchase a 'B Team' these days. It doesn't happen in other sports where two teams in the same championship have 1 owner.
@@BOABModels thus redbull should also not be allowed no ?
Hartley was never going to be a contender for a Redbull seat but he did play a key role in helping Honda develop their engine to the point where it was good enough to be put into the Redbull
Yeah. I wonder how much his experience with Porsche helped there. At that time LMP1H cars were more of a space ship than F1.
How much of an impact does driver feedback have on engine development, though? Especially in reliability, which if I recall correctly was the chief initial issue with the Honda PU
@@davidmccourt6139 it was lacking in all areas really except sound, but that doesnt win races. Reliability, drivablility and power was a diamond in the rough. Almost qualified to a piece of coal
@@davidmccourt6139 a le mans veteran will likely know more about engine reliability and high performance than Gasly or Sainz would given their lesser experience in cars that can operate for longer than 2 hours. I don't think it made him a wizard at engine development but he'll have had a definite idea
A lot, especially if the driver is known for nursing cars home, and not driving them like Alonso's win-or-break mentality
Testing is limited in F1, so honda and Rb benefited from having a competent wheelman that could deal with the stress of driving an F1 car, when they had no one else to turn to.
Max is also incredibly clinical, if RB had 2 Perezs they’d still be ahead but it’d be a lot more open
McLaren team boss (Zak Brown) said if they had 2 Perez the championship would be wide open and that although RBR has the best car, there wouldn't be such dominance.
@@LCardoso17it's just nonsense though. RB would still be massively ahead but maybe like 100-150 points instead of 250.
@@daarom3472Perez only now drives in a top/leading team. Before he drove average teams, so he's not used to being at the front all the time. That does have an effect.
@@kkrsnn5632 Dude's been racing at the front for at least 3 years now , not consider his junior years. That excuse has run its course. In fact, I'd argue the RP20 would've been a frontrunner in the hands of Max, Lewis or Charles. So I'd say he has had 4 years at the front, he's just not that fast anymore and the new regs or the RB philosophy took away his mystical tire saving.
@@khawajabasit977 pre 2020 in the McLaren and FI days he wasn't fighting at the front, more like best of the rest.
All nyck did at Merc was standing behind Toto. What a awesome time that must have been 😂
And toto didn't want him lol.
Hell, I would stand behind him and get paid. It would be hard for me not to laugh at the emotions he shows in a space of a grand prix though.
You mean other winning than the Formula E title?
@@kemibobdon't forget that winning an Formula E title is a little *cough* different than F1.
And I guess we have seen it happen now. Even taking into account that the Alpha Tauri is in no way a great car.
@@kemibob literally nobody cares about a golf cart title
I think this whole saga can be explained as "finding someone as fast or faster than Daniel Ricciardo". So far they've only succeeded once, with Verstappen. The rest is just giving people a shot, looking at the results, and saying "Nope, not a contender". Perez has been generally acceptable, prior to this year but we'll see if given the option of "actually Ricciardo again" or Perez, what they'll do.
yup that ric-ver pairing was really strong
He was slower than Ricciardo.
Lost 2 years and Red Bull done their 1 man job from the 3rd year onwards and excluded Ricciardo from all team meetings, data and no upgrades.
No driver since has ever has fresh day 1 upgrades on the car.
Maybe even Tsunoda tbh. It really really depends on how the Tsunoda vs Ricciardo saga unveils between 2023-2024 (checo's contract ends in 2024) so we can only wait and see
The truth is they always put a clear No2 in next to Max and then complain when they are not at Maxs standard. They would not dare run another No1 next to Max, someone like Norris, Leclerc, Alonso, Hamilton, even Sainz. Maxs ego would be too hard to manage and I expect that Max would not be seen as such a great driver he is now. At the end of the day Max has delivered so no need to rock the boat i guess, but would be great to see two top drivers at Red Bull.
@@The_MostHigh they have tried to sign Norris twice, not sure what you're on about.
It's not like merc gave nyck a shot 😂
I think they were smart enough to know it probably wasn’t a good idea unlike our buddy marko
Same with mick. Trying to get him a seat at Williams but definitely not Mercedes 😅
Mercedes hardly ever kicks out drivers. They just give them no chance at all…
Merc keeps their drivers for long periods of time. That's quite literally why max went to RB instead
@@s1lveralkaro900 Mercedes also wouldn't keep drivers around if they performed like Gasly or Albon. Similarly, they'd replace the nr2 for a generational talent in a heartbeat. Mercedes had more experienced drivers, and didn't have to clear a seat for a talent like Max. RB's situation was a lot more dynamic, and they're more ruthless as well.
I would lightly suggest that dangling a race seat in front of a driver but never actually giving them a seat, is worse than Red Bull actually giving a driver a chance to prove themselves, whether it works out for them or not.
exactly shove them in the car and fire there ass if they dont perform red bull is right to demand high standards of there drivers what do you think racing team are design to do there no paying you multi million dollar contract on a race that cost millions upon millions to develop r and d and deploy so you can feel good about yourself your there to win.
totally agree ..what did Merc do for Nyck ?
@@DouweEgbert formula e. nyck won WC there, RB just signed him immediately
@@chenlingruimeetohsch4534 not true , he was still under contract of Merc and Toto .. RB signed him when Merc released him from his contract
RB gives drivers a chance, most of them don't make it long and the way they are "binned" is ruthless but how many drivers got a cockpit thanks to Mercedes or Ferrari? Russell in 2019, Leclerc in 2018 and maybe Schumacher counts as well but somebody else? De Vries waited for years to get a real drive and it didn't happen thanks to Mercedes, just saying.
A low turnover rate is a good thing.
@@Bansheee-p5o Why? Unless you are extremely satisfied with them, it isn't.
RB's MO might seem sanguine, but they give more chances than anyone else on the grid.
Or do you think that if hamilton had not swam the way he did there would have been a season 2 for him on the cards?
@@HTOP1982 it's usually the case that when a work place has that many people coming and going so quick, you avoid going there, because there is likely a toxic culture, which certainly seems to be the case with RB, what with helmet and horner slagging off checo to the media every opportunity they get. I have worked in such places and it's awful. Terrible management style
Totally agree! They're the only top team to give upcoming drivers a chance. Mercedes had 5 drivers in total over the course of 14 seasons and it's not gonna change anytime soon!
Ferrari hasn't brought up anyone either except for Leclair, Schumacher was butchered at Haas, which isn't any better that how RB dealt with De Vries.
Why would mercedes or ferrari churn through drivers when the drivers they have are already top tier and in the case of Mercedes winning 8 straight constructors? Quality over quantity?
10 races for De Vries was way more that what he could gather with Mercedes for years. F1 is not a charity, if there's no money to be made or objectives are not met, it's time to give an opportunity to better athletes.
yes, no apologies.
hes 28 years old he should have been on point in 3 races not 10
You saved me from writing a comment👍
Yeah, is like when Toto talks about how good Mick is and that he deserves a seat, but he is no willing to give it himself LMAO.
@@AZTCuRe being "unwilling" and not having a seat available are two different things. Cut the bullshit.
Been saying this for a while replying to RB haters comments on their strategy with drivers - RBR has promoted more drivers to F1 than every other team altogether, and they have made the most out of 2 of the best drivers in the last 10-15 years. It’s not their fault the other drivers are not top tier. Red Bull is always looking for the next generational talent they have in the ranks and so far they have been doing their job excellently.
Thing is if their new metric for being worthy of the RB seat is Max, they might find themselves up a creek without a paddle when Max retires and they haven't found Max v2.0.
RBR have promoted more drivers to F1 than any other team because they simply have two teams. They can test drivers, engines, etc. which is an advantage.
So many world champions would have been axed before winning their first title if they were a Red Bull driver
@@Charlie_Atayde Merc and Ferrari have been using Haas, Alfa and Williams as defacto second teams where they put their rookies…
@@blze0018 I mean thats what happened when Vettel put the bar as high as he did at the time lol until Max arrived
When there are so limited seats available and so many young hopefuls trying to get one, the teams ultimately have the power to hire and fire as they please. That's life.
Moron
there are no excuses for the way nyck's performance for those 10 races. it was clear that he was a lost cause and daniel was a way better option for them.
Clearly RIC was, since after replacing DEV he finished as high up as 13th and 16th
@@F1joneshe is a seasoned driver who should've performed at a high level but he didn't that's why he got dumped
@@petticlone to be fair a lot of those races he was gathering datas on the new tires and how it affects the car. hence why yuki's race was prioritized.
@@satriabagaskara4198 Yeah, but you can't be beaten by slower cars, you can sometimes be beaten by your teammate, but when a Wiliams is overtaking you or beating you in qualy, you know something is wrong, if it was only albon that was beating De Vries, then ok, but he was beaten by Sargeant on many occasions, you can't justify that.
@cosmikyogi2514 oh I don't, maybe... match his teammate? what the hell did you expect?
Max is a very radical beast. A generational talent for sure, and while you may argue that redbull's moves for the second seat have been harsh, they need to be. Max is just that good that no other teammate has been able to play on his level. Even checo is still playing catch up. Redbull is good, but max makes it the best,
Dude Checo this current season is just trash. You may even put one of those Red Bull Junior Rookies and they might have done a better job at Red Bull car this season than Checo. We still have 10 more races to go just to see how garbage he is. The dude can't even stay consistently in 2nd/3rd in such a beastly car. I honestly wanna see him go already, if not, maybe at least at the end of 2023
But looking at their methodology, they landed on Verstappen by accident only by throwing enough drivers at the wall to see what stuck. They've shown since that they never really know what they have or why until it prevents itself. They've still "found" and definitely have developed nothing themselves. They even let Vettel go until BMW showed them what they had.
So now that the RBR development program is turning out duds for a decade straight now, good luck on attracting new talent even if Marko can actually identify it, which I have no faith in him being able to do.
max is as good as many of the other drivers.
He was a safety car away from not winning the title in 21. If Ferrari had got there act together they could have won the title last season, now his in a rocket ship his good but not generational.
RB driver program is just not doing well. F1 isn't short of talent. We have Russell, Norris, Leclerc, and now Piastri within the last 4-5 years. These guys would bode well against Max. Tsunoda can probably be really fast also, but AT isn't going to show much.
Not quite sure I agree that RB needs to address anything. They can do what they want with their drivers. Seems like everybody seems to have some sort of issue with De Vries getting the cut. He was not overlooked by anybody, but was just slower than other prospects when he was trying to get a drive in F1 before Alpha Tauri. They slotted Daniel in over De Vries because Daniel was faster during his testing and De Vries was severely under performing. The point of the seat that he had was to have someone push Tsunoda. When Tsunoda is almost a full second over a teammate who isn't a pay driver, whats the point in keeping them? Let's also not forget that De Vries was a Formula E champ, and was constantly involved with Mercedes and testing. He didn't deliver in this seat. Perhaps he'll get another chance somewhere else and he'll perform better. Daniel will do much better in pushing Tsunoda and lead the Alpha Tauri team. Seems like a good business and racing decision to me. Do we make videos how other sports are unfair like if a player gets injured, comes back and they aren't as good/explosive as they used to be? No, you start the better player if you have a better player. In this case, De Vries was under performing for the intention of that seat, they slotted in another driver they had on the books, who, lets be real, was probably getting paid more to be a reserve driver than what De Vries was getting paid, so business wise, lets get our monies worth.
Nycks salary -2,000,000
Daniel's salary (just from redbull) 2,100,000
at least Nyck got a chance with RedBull, he's been trying for years at different teams and didnt manage to get a seat. perhaps if williams was an option this year it was a better one but cant blame him for the choice he made
Any driver is incredibly fortunate to have an F1 seat. Perform or get replaced. When Max was coming in they said “F1 isn’t a place to learn” and that’s as true as ever.
And then they gave him a place to learn while he averaged 2 retirements per season from collision for over half a decade.
@@F1jonesreally good numbers
@@F1jonesMaybe because, unlike the rest, he actually had the speed to back it up
@@F1jonesHow many were his faults though? How many were racing incidents?
Max is ruthless. Just like any other GOAT. Like it or not but nice guys finish last.
RedBull aren’t afraid of changing drivers to get or stay at the top! In any other industry aggressive hiring and firing to get results would be considered normal. I like the way RedBull operates, yes ruthless at at times but the aim of the game in F1 is to win and decisive decision making is so often key to making that happen!
I mean, technically RBR had brought way more opportunities to drivers than pretty much all other teams combined on the grid, even Nyck, at least had his chances as a full time.
I would say that no other industry aggressively hires and fires people. It's incredibly bad for morale and in a lot of places would require costly buyouts or be downright illegal. Every industry aggressively headhunts talent, but very few successful companies stay successful without good internal succession planning. Succession planning is the part RBR is failing at right now. If for any reason Max were to stop racing they would have a pretty big hole to fill and would need to buy out a driver a la Bottas after Rosberg retired.
you need to visit the 3rd world my friend, every Friday is firing day, even multinational companies from the first world located here that are supposed to be more sensitive, they love to apply such traditions, there are cases of people fired in the 3rd week.@@MattGurrola it is game of thrones combined with musical chairs in hell. Lol, but yeah lots of industries are more aggressive than Redbull tbh. Horner stayed as TP for 8 years of relative failure.
@@ChuyR. I have no doubt that this occurs, but I can't say any my experience in Latin America or the experience of my colleagues reflects this. Granted we've all worked for multinational companies based in NA or EU.
so you dont let me use my hyperbole but you can use yours eh?
we cant generalize neither statements therefore "no other industry aggressively hires and fires people" is incorrect@@MattGurrola
I am not mad or anything, just wanted to yank your chain, cheers!!
At least Nyck got 10 races which is more than he got at Mercedes
Shut up, is he gonna replace Lewis or George? I didn’t think so. Get your head out of RB’s ass
Yea how’d they not realize the irony there?
He Clearfield that he wasn't signed with Merc in anyway.
@@hueyfreeman7010 all voluntary work, I assume? 🤣
@@Lozza97 They could have placed him in another team as they did with George, but they chose to allow Red Bull to place Albon in the other Williams seat last year instead. Kid is 28 going on 29, and is a known quantity in the motorsport world. Someone else went out on a limb to finally give him a chance, and he couldn't hang.
Redbulls handling is pretty brutal. But they are at the very least one of the few times who will give drivers a shot instead of being benchwarmers inside the team facilities. Its also a bit bold of the Mercedes squad being judgemental about Nycks treatment when they themselves never put him in a seat. Toto landed Ocon at Renault and George at Williams for instance
Ferrari gave Massa and Leclerc their opportunities. McLaren gave Hamilton and Norris theirs. Mercedes had Bottas and Russell come through their program.
This idea that RBR is the only team that gives young drivers opportunities is one of the great myths of this generation. Difference is, those other teams know what they have before they decide to put drivers in their cars and the commit to them instead of just seeing how sticky they are for half a season at a time.
1. They gave him a Formula E seat. 2. They have 2 seats instead of Red Bulls 4 seats. 3. Red Bull would never rotate if they think that the pairing is solid enough.
@@F1jonesI wonder how long Mick is gonna warm the bench before he's binned to formula e lol 😂
@@F1jones nice you could name 2 Merc driverz :)
@@F1jones half the grid is pretty much ex RB drivers. so the argument still stands. even if RB doesn't commit to these drivers at the end of the day, they've still had the chance to prove themselves on track and score a seat somewhere else. i mean just look at sainz, gasly, ric, even albon. get fast or get replaced, right?
It's the overall English negativety who doesn't see the benefits of the Red Bull system! How many drivers got a change at Mercedes when Hamilton was the number one driver( since 2013) Only when Nico stopped Bottas got a change and since Bottas left George got a change.
That in the last 10 years. Albon, Gasly, Perez, Kvyat and Daniel!
All these driver got a change to proof themselves!
Valid criticism of something = eNgliSh NeGaTiViTy
Any criticism of Red Bull = BuT wHaT aBoUt MeRcEdEs
Why would Mercedes change their lineup when both drivers are performing well? That's a brain dead take.
Name one other team that as lost so many good drivers. It’s not luck, they put in work to find these guys.
Only 2 seats in the main team
sounds like you missed the entire point of the video then
nobody is disputing that red bull can find talent, but when half the field has drivers from your junior program that you mercilessly dumped or drove out and you continually have difficulties putting a driver in the second seat, it points to a larger problem that the way red bull management handles its talent. in much the same way ferrari has had title winning cars but couldnt convert because of strategic blunders, red bull has no shortage of talent that they can't seem to nurture into successful second drivers. at least, not under their own watch at the f1 level
@@cerb345 Mercilessly dumped? RB gave many young talents a chance to try f1 seat. Meawhile Merc simply ignore them.
@@cerb345 The thing is, F1 isn't a place you can afford to have your drivers get used to the car for more than 5 races, especially if you are a team that wants to fight for the title. They want amazing talents and they deserve to search for them given their amazing car, engineers, pit stop team and strategy team. Indeed looking for the equivalent of Max seems a bit too much given how Russell, Leclerc and Lando came from different environments and thinking the same world champion talent would come from their academy seems naive. Anyway they gave the drivers a chance, they showed they couldn't keep up with Max so they wanted someone else, pretty fair. Max was able to stay pretty close to Ricciardo someone that had 4-5 years experience in F1, from the first season. Redbull wasn't able to afford to give the second driver more than a season to get comfortable if they saw a better alternative.
@@gmbsmkd8888 Disagree a bit. When Ricciardo left Red Bull had to fill that 2nd seat and treated it like an audition process first with Gasly then Albon. When both didn't failed Gasly demoted not even reconsidered when Albon was demoted so cerb345 is correct there. De Vries only had 10 races. Gasly only had half season at RB.
If you wanna a chance at F1 your best option is Red Bull. They are the only team that seems to even consider promoting drivers. 7 drivers out of 20 have been in some kind of Red Bull car.
6:30 I think that is where people are wrong. I think Alex’s battles with Lewis shook his confidence. That feeling on top of being Max’s teammate and Red Bull’s high expectations. They didn’t give him enough time to rebound. He’s killing it now, besides the occasional error.
i have trust in williams making the right moves, especially with the new team boss in place. im only hoping that albon is willing to give his trust and loyalty to the team and when one day the car starts to be competitive, it'll be absolute chaos! and im here for that ride😈
Totally agree. And TBH I wouldn't rule out him returning to Red Bull in the future. His performance is quite consistent and his skills have hugely improved, IMO.
Speaking as a neutral (I genuinely don't have favourites anymore, at least not since Danon retired ;D I'm too old for those sorts of shenanigans), I don't think that RB are as "nasty" as they make out. They did give Gasly a second chance after he messed up in the RB team, after all. (Go through F1's history and you'll find far worse treatment of drivers!) That gave him a seat on the grid _and eventually a race win,_ something most drivers _never_ get, leading to him getting a chance with another team. Whether that's a good thing for him or not, only time will tell, but he jumped, he wasn't pushed.
Albon was kept on, his drive in the DTM was financed by them alongside his test driver status with them (which has been acknowledged as definitely helpful towards Max's success), and they backed his move to Williams. He's still got attachments - be they friendly if not officially - to RB, and Horner still talks very positively about him.
And despite him leaving RB, essentially in the lurch, they were the team to make up a position to help keep Danny Ric in F1, if not (at that point) potentially on the grid. Had Seb wanted to return during his worst days at Ferrari, it's _possible_ they'd have found a way to take him back. They'd have backed him up, at the very least.
RB has never hidden how they "play the game". Those who sign up for the sister/junior team know what that "game" is. Ferrari, however, as an example, has put some Academy drivers in bad teams and done nothing else for them; Gio & Mick being two obvious examples. Throughout Gio's F1 career, there was constant talk about him going to Ferrari, which is probably one of the reasons no one else looked at him when he lost his Ferrari-backed seat at AR (although like many who don't make it in F1, he's definitely doing well in sports car racing). When it came to Mick Schumacher, instead of giving him a chance as a test driver - IMHO he needed a "year off" - they just dumped him. Mind, they did much the same to his dad...
*No* team is perfect in how it deals with its drivers; even the best drivers may not get the respect they deserve. It's just because RB don't hide their methods that they get hammered by the press so often for them. Look at pretty much every grid in open-wheel racing, plus many other grids including motorbikes, and see how often you see Ferrari, Alpine, Mercedes, etc backing, then compare those numbers to the drivers in different teams sporting the whole RB design. They give so many juniors a chance that many now racing in the lower ranks heading to F1, for example, simply wouldn't be there because of lack of sponsorship.
So make a choice, do you want bigger grids in the junior categories (plus all the other sports they're involved in), or, much smaller ones with talented drivers getting full-time jobs outside of racing?
(Again, I'm coming at this from the position of a pragmatic neutral. I don't necessarily agree with RB's total philosophy, but I've always played Devil's Advocate ;))
Not the most knowledgeable here when it comes to the driver academy but there is a long term issue of being unsupportive to your drivers.
You may have 3-4 seats in f1 but if keep burning those that take the seat on a whim, younger better drivers will start looking elsewhere before applying.
Marko has the eye for talented drivers and the means of enticing them to drive for them but the trust of long term support and development is declining.
@@ndh06 No, every open-wheel driver not currently in F1 dreams of a seat in F1. What would be the alternative anyway? Indy? That's pretty much a US-only series and there's far less acclaim to be had there than from F1. No, F1 is the ultimate goal and every Formula driver would do anything to get there.
Besides, drivers don't apply to F1 teams, they get chosen by talent scots like Helmut Marko. I mean they can apply but what counts is results.
@Arsenic71 I'm only suggesting that Marko start having problems getting the best talents if there is no support at the highest level. There will always be drivers willing to join the Red Bull Academy but it's not the only route to f1 and the best drivers might look elsewhere.
Many teams were interested in Verstappen, but Marko only got Max because he gave the offer of skipping f2 something he can't do anymore.
@@ndh06 I see what you mean. But the fact is, right now and for the past couple of years, RBR have been THE standard. Regardless of F2 or super license minimum age, all this is just a result of some teams (usually Merc-powered ones) trying to prevent RB from hiring another Max. It won't lead to anything and at the end of the day, the best driver will end up in the best car. And RN that is the RB.
As a McLaren fan I hope Mark Webber doesn’t move Oscar Piastri into the Red Bull seat, but if he does I think Piastri would make Max work very hard. We are seeing a major new talent emerging in F1 and he’s a man in a hurry!
piastri looks very promising. the head to head is lopsided because lando is rapid but i have no doubt we'll be seeing piastri in f1 for many years to come
If anything, Mark's experience (and Daniel's) would prepare Oscar like no other has been prepared. That said, I bet Mark's not positioning Oscar for Perez's seat. He'll position him for Max's. Max keeps saying he won't go on forever.
Redbull always favors max and if piastri goes there redbull will develop car in max's favor. Piastri will struggle like checo
@@shreetesh.9729Adrian newey said the car is made as fast as possible to be. Not bc it suits a certain drivers style. To put the blame of Checho's poor performance on the development of the car is just pathetic
@@shreetesh.9729 checos problem is 'his lackof ability to drive a fast car, OP would do just fine!
Given a little longer Albon or Gasly as a solid number 2 could have been a prospect for the longer term. Pile the pressure on and of course they'll crumble and make mistakes, these may be superhuman in some respects, but they are still human!
No, Gasly and Albon would not have ben a solid number 2 for RBR.
This is mainly down to the car and not so much Max or the team.
Gasly and Albon drive cars with more rear grip and you see them oversteer more than understeer.
That means if you put them in the most Oversteery car on the track, A.K.A RB17, RB18, RB18 b and RB19, they would continuously walk into a limit they most likely would not be able to fully break through.
That + the pressure to get closer to or get better than Max, would spell an exit at any point in time.
I remember all this happening in real-time but hearing it recalled again in this video have given me whiplash. It’s very chaotic and so stressful for the junior drivers
I think RedBull's approached is not good nor bad. But if we see other teams, most of their junior drivers that have talent aren't given a chance in F1. They either have to do it by themselves or insane amount of luck. So I think RedBull has the best option for junior drivers.
Which teams have put as many rookie drivers in a car as redbull did? De Vries and others wouldn't have any chance in any other car. Half the drivers on the field stem from Redbull.
Red Bull have an entire junior team to promote rookies into. No other team has a second junior team.
The fact is Red Bull might win every race this year, which would be the biggest team accomplishment in F1 history, and it’s because of Max. Checo doesn’t win some races this year where he didn’t podium or even the races he finished 3rd he was so far back. Monaco will go down as maybe Verstappen’s greatest moment, the crazy sector 3 he had to basically clinch the win and Red Bulls perfect streak
This is NOT the Redbull effect. This is the Helmut Marko effect.
I think people forget how much Red Bull pay to fund young drivers careers. It’s not unreasonable that they have high expectations. There are a lot of drivers who would never have been able to afford to climb the racing ladder without Red Bull.
They didn't burn Daniel Riccardo. He left
@atkascha and now he is not even a number 1 in AT. Great move. RB did a right choice, in 2018 Max was already equal to Riciardo, when Daniel was on his prime. And Max season after season going bettter and better
Lewis' opinion means nothing. He never has any thoughts other than his own boasting or whining. RedBull's record speaks for itself.
Red bull is either you perform or you don't. Max just keep improving and performing since he was assigned a seat.
I'd prefer teams that are brutal in throwing young talents in the deep end, rather than teams that take too long before they offer a chance to their youth program like what Piastri had to go through with Alpine.
A real fun statistic that Russell is the ONLY Merc Junior driver to actually get to Merc, though that also depends how you view Michael Schumacher and Lewis Hamilton as Merc Juniors or not
@@Wizzkidwasnah your wrong bottas was at Williams, than roseberg retired, so Bottas got that merc seat
@@Anishnaabe425Bottas was never a Merc junior, or a junior of any team, the closest he would've been was a test driver for Williams which became a race seat, still not a merc junior
@@Wizzkidwas he was still driving for Williams which is merc junior team so pretty much same thing
Man, Albon huh, my favourite merc junior
Sargeant too, from the Williams academy, my other favourite merc junior@@Anishnaabe425
In the end, this Red Bull method delivered a better driver then Hamilton.
Red bull have been just as brutal as most other teams, it’s just been at the forefront as they have been the only team with a true junior team. Leclerc and russell are examples of other teams bringing young drivers up through “junior” teams but doesn’t happen all too much. Red bull have always used toro Rosso as development for drivers to be at red bull. If they aren’t capable of that then they need to find another driver capable. Not really harsh as at least they are giving young drivers a go to prove themselves. De Vries would have never lasted more than 2 seasons no matter where he went, merc were never going to give him a go even if Lewis left.
youve got to go back a LOT further than Max to realize that Redbull was always here to look for wins which started in the Mark Webber era where they marked him as number one driver, he was quikcly out performed by the young Sebastian Vettel who then helped to form this approach of nurturing the young into success... 4 titles later, and since, the star young driver always took president since, its not a Max and Redbull thing, its just that Max has been successful AT the Redbull approach...
RB is doing what it needs to be successful. Think of it as a business, you need to make the best & suitable decisions to make things work. Hiring & firing is part of the process.
Max is at his best & i am sure RB will also needs to take care of their best until the time that will come to an end. Nothing last forever.
Why don't people look at RB points that they need to do what is best for the team.
A driver doesn't make a team successful but a team behind a driver is the one giving a driver the chance to succeed.
So Daniel Ricciardo broke the RB young driver programme when he made a shock exit in 2018. It forced them to bring Pierre up too early and Albon was on his way to FE before he too was brought up too early. They have yet to properly replace him. Would be funny if he becomes his own replacement.
I'd say this is a good problem to have. Instead of getting comfortable in having only one good driver like Mercedes with Hamilton pulling all the weight RB are actually looking to push themselves further as well as their star driver.
Sure it might not benefit the drivers all that much but there are more teams out there that can give them their seats if they like the driver that much and considering half the grid is RB juniors i'd say it's working pretty well.
4:14 - That's not the only thing max destroyed of Daniil's.
Truth is that they only need a decent 2nd driver, from across 2 teams. They don’t need to change anything right now, their system seems to be working
Without Riccardo on the books, who would not have signed for AT when he left McLaren, de Vries would have had longer. RB switch drivers more often in F1 because they always have more available drivers who can come in at low cost.
Sometimes that doesn’t work sometimes it comes up WC. Mostly it comes up fastest driver. Some teams have a YD program in name only (paying fees & holding options). RB give real F1 opportunity. Kyvat & Hartley both benefited from F1 exposure and Gasly & Albon are still in F1. Those that didn’t kick on after RB F1 are matched by those who were at other teams. Half the F-E grid raced for F1 in the last ten years including Mercedes.
Oh I forgot Sainz, that’s their big mistake & they know it. But they traded him for an engine contract exit and that was a random & odd decision to make.
@@MsZeeZed was that a bad decision though? it didn't look very good in 2018, but as we saw in 2019, 2020 and 2021, it was the right decision, Renault doesn't make good engines anymore and they were ready to be dropped by RedBull whereas Honda are loyal and work with the teams, even if they lost out on Sainz, they didn't lost out in the end
@@garbage2882 It was a mistake about drivers, but not overall. It was odd as normally a team takes a driver they don’t care for to gain an engine they do want, not lose a potentially good driver to drop an engine they hate. I would say Verstappen/Sainz would have been stronger than Verstappen/Perez, but RB know what they have and how tricky the balance of winning both championships is.
@@MsZeeZed I agree with you, a lot of things were odd about F1 at that time, like the fact that Palmer was still in F1 lol
On the upside, RedBull is not short of opportunities, they give away F1 seats to everyone! (unlike other silver team)
Well, no other teams give as much chances to different drivers as Red Bull after all. Many of these would never sit in an F1 car if they depended on the other teams.
In the end... we need 4 more cars.... or 6.
With the current tracks and how big the cars are these days? There would be more laps behind the safety car then actually racing laps on most tracks
@@Mark-vn7et more unpredictable results, sounds good
@@garbage2882 Except that isn't racing, it's a lottery. If you want a lottery, Indycar/Nascar/FE is more your thing.
so it isn't racing because there is more cars.. interesting. You shoudl go watch time attack then, F1 is not for you xD@@EntropicExergy
tracks are required to have space for 26 cars under current rules. And.... F1 kinda needs more restarts considering how things are going, more FCY would be a good thing. More cars, more drivers, more histories to be told, more stuff happening on track. Anyone who likes racing likes more cars. Especially at the big ones like Spa, they look empty with current grid.@@Mark-vn7et
Max is definitive evidence that it’s not just the car
That’s complete nonsense.
@sidharthtirkey44 pretty much. As was the same for Lewis, seb, Michael, and so on..
Of course Max makes a difference. But he wouldn't be leading the championship in a Mercedes, Ferrari or Mclaren.
Without a good car, no driver can win a championship.
@@titancheat No, verstappen, is given an advantage by Red Bull over any second driver they hire.
Hamilton should refrain from commenting on issues that don't concern him..
What Red Bull Racing (RBR) does with thier driver line-up is entirely their business, not his.
Maybe if he focuses his attention on Mercedes performance, they might challenge RBR next season.
You should refrain from commenting on issues that don't concern you. What Hamilton thinks is entirely his business. May if you focus more on thinking yourself rather than what Hamilton thinks, you would post better comments.
Lol the bitterness.
i think Yuki is almost ready for red bull. he’s been maturing a lot and you can really see it this year. Would be a fun pairing to watch too
No one cares what Lulu says. He cried about how dominant red bull are but forgot Merc still has the most wins in a season.
quite hypocritical from lewis tbh, merc never gave nyck a chance, not even when he was reserve in 2020, russel took lewis seat then. but other teams are supposed to sacrifice their programme and line-up because he's supposedly good enough?
TBF to RB..at least their drivers can say they did race in F1 at some point..that's better than being a reserve driver for Alpine or Merceded who never gets to experience their dream for even a few races.
In hindsight, De Vries, Hartley, JEV, Buemi, Alguersuari, Scott Speed, Bourdais, Kvyat and Gasly all DID race in F1 so that's better than nothing..no matter how their RB career ended.
They got their chance and didn't take it. RBR WANTS them to succeed! I dont understand why this is such a foreign concept to grasp. This is f1, fuck feelings. You gotta perform. Theres dozens of other qualified, talented drivers just waiting to jump in.
You forgot to add that kelly piquet jumped ship with the rb-max wagon while having a kid from Kvyat
Good ol "The Race" dumping criticism on RB once again. F1 is the pinnacle and its a multi million dollar industry. You perform as a driver or you're out. RB gives more opportunities to young drivers than any other team and when they get good ones they support them as they did with Seb, Mark, Daniel and now Max. The only decision that you could now say with hindsight was questionable was letting Albon go. But at the time he didn't perform. All the others they got right
"Destroyed Kyvat's career, and massively impacted plenty more" LMAO you cold for that one
It’s because Red Bulls never had a driver as good as Max Verstappen is. I’m getting a little tired of people just not admitting it. The kid is better than everybody else. He is as good as Schumaker. It’s time to just face the facts.
You obviously never watched schumi cause anyone who watched that legend of a driver would not misspell his name like that. Max shares similarities to schumi yes but as good as Schumacher was is a stretch. Max has a ways to go before he is at schumi levels of greatness.
We still don't know that yet as his teammates have been rather weak. Perez is just at his worse right now. You can't say the car is bad bc he still in 2nd place after not making Q1 5 times in a row.
Red Bull in F1 is that one restaurant that has an excellent kitchen but you know Management is terrible to it's Cooks, but then tells everyone how amazing the food always is.
I think the main reason Daniel Riccardo was called to Alpha Tauri is to replace Perez eventually.
Daniel had track times bery close to Max at Silverstone testing and the RB team probably thought he woukd make a good companion for Max.
My guess is that Perez will be phased out soon, probably next season or the season after that thr latest.
Speeds the day after the race are always as much as a second faster - the race wears in the track (source: Damon hill in the beyond the grid podcast)
The testing times at Silverstone are a Macguffin. More important is that Daniel stepped into a car he'd never driven before and immediately looked comfortable. He's a vastly superior driver to Perez, and if he can prove the McLaren era was a blip - which looks promising - then RB will make that swap without question.
You look at passed team mates to Verstappen, Danny is the only that has ever challenged him on track consistently. It's what led to their shunt in Azerbaijan. Danny is quick, much quicker than Perez, they already know this, but wanted to see what had happened with his time away. Had his natural talent gone? Nah, he was being forced to change his driving style well beyond it's reach. Get him back in a car he can feel and drive naturally, and watch him fly again.
Pérez is way too valuable as a marketing asset for Red Bull to simply let go, and as long as he can stay in the top two/three in the championship, he has nothing to fear.
@@halofreak1990 LOL Perez ain't shit when it comes to marketing. Not next to the universally-loved Danny Ric. Plus, bringing Danny home? Giving him the chance to win again? That's a pure marketing GOLDMINE.
30% of the total drivers or 3 teams worth of drivers currently racing are Red bull graduates, granted they have two teams and Marko is a Sith lord however drivers are given a shot which other teams are not
Verstappen is like an overpowered glitched final boss in a video game. Not a single person has beat him and no one has beat the game yet. So people are not so eager to even start playing.
Not really. Ricciardo beats him 2 times out of 3 seasons that they were teammates.
@@WarayF1 No, the DNF's from the unreliable Renault engine beat him. Max was always faster than Ricciardo to begin with.
@@EntropicExergy no it's DNF from crashing on his own. And the only year where Max beats Ricciardo, Ricciardo have 8 DNFs that season so it's the other way around.
I don't think its a Red Bull thing per se, they are just more extreme than other teams. No teams keep what they would consider dead weight if a faster alternative becomes available
Meh, Hamilton and Wolff just comes out as a whiny boys, because they aren't the ones winning everything in sight right now. When they were winning a lot, everything was perfect the way it was. Rulers are great, nothing needed to be changed. I don't like Red Bull churning drivers out to only to fail over and over, but Alpine and other teams are doing the same thing, but aren't in the spotlight right now. Alpine has 3 drivers that are current F1 drivers who were not given a shoot until they left Alpine.
I actually like Red Bulls approach, i might by ruthless but its "fair".
The give young drivers a shot, if they miss it, they have the next one in the pipeline. U either perform from the get go, or get replaced, and another young guy gets the chance.
They maybe go through like 4-5 "kids" who doenst make it, but the one who will make is a great talent.
But at least they give many drivers the chance, this chance might be short lived, but at least it is one. Most other teams barely give those youngsters any chance at all.
I firmly believe that no driver is at their peak at 18. Even the best improve for years to come and part of that learning process is working through adversity and a string of bad results.
Being able to experiment and find what works, be it the support around you, the team structure or mental strength that comes with experience is something young drivers don't have.
While it's one thing to heap that pressure "to make diamonds", diamonds aren't made that quickly. Pressure needs to be applied over time.
Red Bull have been chasing the next Verstappen esq talent when in reality they should be looking for the best number 2 driver. It's one thing to be willing to make the tough calls and cut drivers but as so often the case, is the lead driver at the junior team really better than what you currently have? It really seems they are cutting off their nose despite their face.
There are only a handful of drivers in F1 I would drop Perez for, Hamilton, Alonso would be the two in a heart beat. Russell, Norris and Leclerc I probably would too but would definitely go through the numbers.
Beyond those drivers what is the point in replacing Perez? He will work through his issues and be stronger for it. Alternatively put Riccardo in the seat but I'm not convinced you are getting a massive upgrade.
Let the next crop of youngersters come in but stop pretending they're going to be Verstappen beaters. Let them grow and learn and if they can topple Perez or Riccardo then they'll do a job. Casting them off before then makes absolutely no sense
I agree. Max is generational talent and Redbull can squeeze many years out of him so they should search for decent number 2 driver who can match or beat Daniel and Sergio. But they should be aware of other team’s scouting departments in the future too. Who knows when next Max or next Lewis comes along.
@@ch4se98 Thing is it is F1, if you have the best car you will attract the best driver. Max is only there because of Newey and trusted everything would come together
I have to disagree with Lewis's comments. Atleast RB gave Nyck a chance, what did mercedes do when he was their junior driver and won everything. I do not stand by RB's approach but heck they do give chances to drivers, its upto the drivers to deliver from the very onset to survive.
To be fair to Mercedes, they have two decent drivers and only two seats, RBR has one good driver and 4 seats.
If Mercedes and Lewis care so much they can sign Devrie's...
Imagine getting a drive at Red Bull, knowing the favoritism, and how that it could end your career! Nope!
Mark my words. Yuki will be in the Red bull once P2 in the championship this season for Perez is confirmed. ( Helmut just responded to a rumour of Daniel by saying that why not put Yuki in the car?that is more like the red bull way. Yes Yuki is not perfect but his pace has been there since 2021. Source Ziggo sport)
Do you have any link or can tell where to find this interview?
Yeah doubtful. DR has looked pretty competitive with Yuki in the AT04 despite Yuki having years of experience in that particular car (yes it changes a bit year to year, but usually incrementally so). That sounds like "nope, not a contender" to me.
Not a chance. Ricciardo already has beaten Yuki in both qualifying and races and we've only had two race weekends. He'll be the one in that RB next year, not Yuki.
@@walover165yuki is the future. Danny is the now.
This has been their strategy since their inception. Coulthard -> Vettel -> Ricciardo -> Verstappen. They always look for someone who can challenge their no. 1 and if it happens, lo and behold you get your new driver for the next 5-10 years.
RBR probably hasn't even thought about Max's replacement because he's still young and seemingly still wants to compete for the foreseeable future. And by the time there needs to be a change, who knows if they'll still have a dominant and winning car.
If Hamilton doesn't like how RedBull does things, then he can pay for his own team and hire Nick to do a shitty job in the car
Sainz, Albon, Verstappen, Gasly, Ricciardo, Tsunoda on the grid right now. Careers to many others who are still racing. Red Bull isn't a death sentence :/
He destroyed Kvyat’s life
Took his seat, took his girl, took his family....almost like Max is better at every aspect of Kvyat's life.
Rb gropes in the dark for the next Max talent, which comes along once a decade at best.
Anyone without the supreme confidence of Max, Seb, Kimi etc. is going to see the RB culling floor and stay with surer bets in other teams.
Just because RB landed Max doesn't mean their strategy is good
If more teams were like redbull and ruthless with drivers it might be a lot tighter in points both driver and team championships. But many of them lack the will to add a clause in contracts that drivers could be sacked mid season for not doing good enough job
no it wouldn't, kids from f2 would be air dropped in halfway through a season, broken buy the end of the season and fired by the the beginning of the next season
Where do you think the replacement drivers would come from?? Even with multiple feeders into F1, the number of people in the world who can handle those cars is in the low dozen at any time. Swapping drivers mid season just causes chaos, or were you not paying attention in the 90s?
@@MichaelEilers with the massive budget cuts some teams had to do surely they can sponsor/scout carting championships round the world to get more drivers into feeder series that can lead to f1, max went from carting to f4 testing then f3 to f1 missing a lot of championships where its mostly drivers with rich parents
That's not the point - the raw talent to drive these cars and handle the decision making, thinking dynamically, reacting, dealing with the technology - it's not something that can be trained. These are the best drivers in the world and there's a finite number of people with that level of talent. @@HootMaRoot
I don't agree with RB/AT ditching drivers halfway through a season. But you cannot deny they've gotten amazing results (either despite of or because of their methods). Also a lot of the drivers on the current grid are there because of RB. They got them into F1, they gave them that initial chance. They're far from evil, as some people try to make them out to be.
They are lucky Max could carry the team though, which makes it easier for RB to be picky with drivers.
I see Max eventually hurting RB at some point, the second new regulations come that he doesnt like or if the car gets slower/other cars catch up he will leave to go to endurance and GT3 cars.
he probs will at the end of his contract tbh. he's always said he wants to branch out
RB will wipe their tears with the 5-7 titles he'll have won them by then
sure, but RB is only loyal to RB. If Max wants to go RB wont beg him, espically if they still have the best car, If Max left tomorrow the whole order moves up and I still see RB being winners a lot. I dont know if Ric and Serg can be as fast as they need to be but it would be good racing, no more 30 second plus gaps from 1st to 2nd.@@MeltingRubberZ28
Max drove a lesser car (unreliable too) since he was a rookie and he never really gave up on red bull, so what’s stopping him for sticking another 2 or so years after his contract is up? If he get to taste 5 or 6 title, do you think he’ll stop there to beat his rival’s record? Max is extremely competitive, so we’ll see if he’s really gonna retire early.
I agree, but I feel like Max isn't just interested in F1. Like he got there, did okay, stuck it out every race hoping Lewis would wreck so he could win and he got a 5 star car and now he just shows up and ad long as he doesnt crash he wins. Sure being the top driver in the top motorsport is awesome and I'm sure he isn't complaining but I think his passion for motorsports in general will outweigh his passion for F1 sooner then later.@@Alp577
Honestly I don’t understand this video. RBR are killing it and have been since Verstappen joined. They have very high standards with their drivers and what’s the problem with that? RBR is in such a good shape and any driver would give their left foot to drive for them. Also, looking at what they are demanding from their drivers it’s not like the 2nd drivers have been that poor, it’s just that Verstappen is in a league of his own. I feel The Race should focus on making actual stories and not invent stories like this just to produce content and to find ways of bashing at RBR. RBR know exactly what they are doing and the success they’ve had should be proof enough that it’s working.
Legit Red Bull won't be happy until they can clone Max and assure themselves the 1-2 every race.
The problem is Max's driving style is hard for other drivers because he likes the car to have more over steer so the car rotates quicker that's the problem that many who drive with max Danny can handle the RB and Max's driving style but there hasn't been anyone who can handle it
That’s literally ever f1 team that’s ever existed, all the other drivers & teams wish they could dominate like Max & Red Bull it’s why they compete
@@انا_ابراهيم_البناويnot necessarily Riccardo is a late braker and likes to v off the corner. Riccardo has the potential but we saw what happened in 2018
>implying RBR aren't already preparing clone bodies in LCL tanks after all these years
@@sulphurous2656 what flavor redbull do they use in the tanks?
The best don’t settle. And why should they. They tried some and moved on. That’s why they keep winning. They don’t sit and wait.
Merc treated every teammate of Hamilton as an outsider. Bottas and Nico were clear about the toxic environment. Lol Hamilton aa usual not looking at himself before pointing fingers
We're lucky Max didn't sign with Mercedes because they would have buried him in Formula 2 & 3 for two years then had him as a reserve driver for two years then have him drive for Williams for 3 years until the new regulations kicked in. A once in a generation talent shouldn't be buried by team politics.
Yuki got 2 seasons underperforming? But the video is right. It is a chosen culture that breeds success, whether you like it or not
We all remember Max winning his first race in a Red Bull. But how many remember that Ferrari once again messed up their strategy, otherwise Kimi would have won because that car was much faster.
And did everyone forget that Alex Albon would have won a race if not for an overmotivated Lewis taking him out of the race?
Messed up their strategy? Not at all, they gave Vettel the strategy that they all thought (RB themselves too, gave the same to Ricciardo that race) was the winning strategy. They gave Raikkonen the same strategy as Max, which turned out to be the actual winning strategy. Since that ferrari was faster, it was all Max with a superb drive defending perfectly against a faster car. You are right about Albon though, there is no denying that.
Max is the best driver to hit the f1 grid since 1984
Absolutely. I would have never imagined considering a driver better than Senna. No way, no how, but here is Max now, literally better or at least equal than Senna at literally everything.
Poor Kvyat. Lost his seat and then Max gets his girl 😂. Classy man.
5:35 the comparison between Max and Daniel needs some context. Ricciardo had 8 DNFs in 2018 compared to Max's 4 DNFs. He was faster and more consistent than Verstappen in the first half of the season before suffering all those car issues both in qualifying and in the race. Daniel's drives in China and Monaco that year were amazing. If he would have stayed in 2019, I reckon they would have been pretty evenly matched.
I guess that is why Ricciardo has multiple championships and Max doesn't, oh wait... You lulu cultists really can't accept Max is vastly better than anyone on the grid, it makes you look like utter clowns. Max was always faster than Ricciardo from the start, if you would accept the facts you'd know that.
there is very few if any drivers who can match max so they cant really expect anymore than a number two driver
It's always amazing how you manage to make everything about Lewis Hamilton.
He said this about Redbull...
This is F1 not some charity club you're first or last nothing else matters.
Max is just a phenom. He needs someone on the level of Lewis, Charles, or Lando to be his teammate if Red Bull want a more even keel.
No, put Bottas or Hulkenberg in that #2 seat and they will be golden. Drivers who are fine being #2
Lando? lmao
@@Lanse1984i would die to have hulkenberg in that red bull
it is funny that people say lewis hamilton is the greatest driver ever, especially when he was beaten by his teammate not in one race but over the entire season..... max on the other hand, max has crushed everyone that has ever been next to him
kvyats career isn’t the only thing max destroyed😭
Redbull wants to win !!
LH had power with mercedes when he brought mercedes to higer levels...he is also an aggressive racer Remember??...in his high days'
Not sure why Hamilton is in the thumbnail but OK 🤷🏻♂️
Click bait 🪤🪤
these media outlets just want shoddy journalism
@@hueyfreeman7010 Unfortunately I’d have to agree
This is Lewis Chanel, that's why. The race 🤡🤡🤡.
Kicking De Vries so soon was dumb but it's not like Mercedes ever gave him an F1 seat, not even when Hamilton was ill.
Pretty negative video. Towards the end we see a bunch of drivers who will never get a chance in F1 for their respective teams. Drugovitch, Schwartzman, Pourchair, Jack Doohan, Vesti and the list goes on. I seriously doubt they'll be any of the 20 F1 drivers.
Liam Lawson will be in Alpha Tauri, I'm sure of it. And if he does ok, well hear nothing. If he does poorly, The Race and other content creators will be sure to make videos about how Red Bull has failed again, until he gets replaced and then the narrative will be how evil red bull is.
Question, if all the drivers that have failed at Red Bull were that good. Why didn't another team give them a seat? This only happened with Albon, and Marko has said that they could've handled that better.
Obviously this video will get half a million views, as it has a thumbnail with Hamilton and a red bull car, and the word ruthless. And then if things kick off, they can make a video about tribalism, and how it's possible it exists in F1.
Oh the irony.
Red Bull gave many young talents a chance, Merc simply ignore and dump them..
Max is a rule. A force of nature. A constant. He is... inevitable.
He who has come will go; This is not a rule but an eternal truth.
As long as The Race shows their hand in these videos, rbr is doing something very good👊🏼