Thank you for making us aware of the issue. I have a model 583.7 that was not include in the recall, but not sure if it doesn't also suffer from the same machined / thinned areas of the receiver locking area.
One thing about bolt action shotguns and rifles the best safety in my opinion is leaving the bolt open until you're ready to shoot it. Or you could take it to a licensed gunsmith and have the issue fixed
Hey everyone, please STOP offering kudos here! C’mon, this guy used “Channel Locks” & Squeezed the receiver together, Wow! Who would do that?? I know exactly what caused his hairline crack. If you don’t possess enough expertise to work on your firearm, then Don’t! Let someone with experience do it!! Wow.
Hello. Great video on this issue. What I find interesting is this model is supposedly NOT what's recalled, the recalled shotguns numbers start a 583.13 and stop at 583.22. I inherited my 583.23 from my father. He had told me awhile back about the bolt issue. There is no screw right now and I am also noticing a safety issue also. I was wondering if you or anyone has taken theirs to a shop to get these issue fixed and if its worth it.
I am really interested in what the crack looks like at the bolt latch. I have a 583.17 model that has not developed cracks (yet?) and does not have the firing pin problem either. But I am curious what I should be looking out for. I dont plan on shooting anything besides birdshot out of this gun.
I've got the same model and have been afraid to fire it for years because of the recall stuff. But I don't physically see any issues with the bolt or receiver, and it feeds smooth. Maybe I'll take it to the outdoor range one day and try to hip fire it so if it does fail I won't lose my face, maybe just a finger.
Just pulled my 583.23 out and disassembled it. I put it back together and my functions properly and well. Maybe you have one with an improperly machined receiver that missed being rejected by quality control. Mine has been shot hundreds of times and as I said, still functions well. Thanks for the heads up though.
The gun was NEVER recalled by the maker, High Standard that should tell you something. 40 years after it was out of production two different incidents by two individual morons misused the gun causing Sears to panic and put the recall to avoid lawsuits. The gun is sound, people are not to bright.
damn good gun I have had mine since the 50's some just don't get how well a $60 gun can be. It hunts and kills if need me I got mine from Tom Mix he love it
I have a 12 gauge 583.20 which is included in the recall. Just wondering which part failure is the reason for it? It fired ok without taking my face off the last time I tried it, around 1986. I am currently using it as a decoy.
As shown in the video, the receiver tubes tend to crack. Additionally, the sear & trigger wear down with use until the sear will no longer hold the firing pin in the cocked position - this causes the gun to “slam-fire” upon closing the bolt.
Will look at mine. Bolt would fly back and hit you in the eye ball. Also if crack effect tolerances in trigger sear -- EMPTY ROUNDS -- successfully cock gun -- slapp side of gun near trigger or crack and see if gun FIRES You need a new receiver or part out gun. Maybe some shot heavy loads or 3 inch shells in your shotgun. UNSAFE TO SHIOOT this gun. LOVE
The problem of the crack developed with the 12 gauge only as the receiver OD was the same in the 12, 16 and 20 gauge guns but the diameter of the bolt was the largest in the 12 hence the thin wall at the extractors channels.
In all the years I have worked on guns I have yet to see a cracked one as you state I read the stories of people pulling the bolt out and hitting them in the face that can only happen if the locking screw is missing sears lost the contract with mosberg so it was cheaper to buy back the bolts making the guns useless than having to stock parts or warranty them I have several of them and I'm in my sixties
Yea its sort of an urban legend with these guns. From my research, in terms of recalled models, I could only find about a dozen or so reports of these issues. The guy who sued Sears didn't actually have his gun blow up. The bolt flew out and hit him in the face. Why? Because the retaining screw for the bolt was not properly torqued down. All bolt action guns suffer from this inherent design flaw as opposed to semi autos where the bolt will just slam into the back of the receiver. I currently own a 583.16 and I use it as a slug gun for deer. I always make sure that bolt screw is down and proper. Also, remember that the recall was for the 12 gauge models - not the 16s or 20s. Why? because the 12 gauge model is what the original lawsuit entailed. Sears decided to cover their ass and pay $160 for return of the bolts. Furthermore, remember that both 16 gauge and 20 gauge produce higher chamber pressure than 12 gauge. Long story short: tighten the screw and wear safety glasses.
Thank goodness he’s Not a Gunsmith! C’mon, take channel locks with padding and squeeze the receiver using the channel locks, are you kidding me?? I know exactly what caused that hairline crack!!!
I have one of these exactly like the one in the video except in 20 gauge and a modified choke barrel (no adjustable choke). I believe my example was made by High Standard. It was given to me by a friend some years ago and is in excellent condition. I became concerned when I heard there was a recall on this model but I believe the recall was for the 12 gauge models. There is a bolt retaining screw on the left hand side of the receiver which must be fully screwed in and tight. I make sure that screw is in properly and tight before I shoot it. Poor design feature in my opinion on an otherwise good 'utility/knockabout' shotgun after watching this video I'll make sure to keep an eye on the receiver.
i have a .24 in 16 ga. and i noticed at 21 seconds into the video that the rear of the receiver was belled out. that the channel for the bolt handle was not parallel should have been your first clue that something is amiss. good that you caught this issue but i'd hesitate to assume that it will happen to all of them. that said, it is certainly something to look for when inspecting and cleaning.
hello friend will be possible to upload a video more detail of how this mechanism is very interesting I also want to be able to reproduce greetings from Mexico
583.23 was not included in the recall...info on the screw has been proven irrelevant, issue was elsewhere. 583.23 was manufactured after the issue was fixed.
I have a 583.16 and have had no problems except Screw in Front Magazine Band that some guy used wrong Flat Head Screw driver to take Screw out about messed straight part for Screw Driver before I got it.
it is your safety slide. you need to bend it up so that the safety slide ride against the receiver. i had one of these sence 1915. i have the 410. 20 gauge, 16 and the 12gauge love them
Good video , any time metal is machined , heat treated whatever stress is put in . After welding on this one or restoring one like this one it is a great idea to shot pean or at least glass bead blast the entire inside area . Even glass beading within the proper pressure will have an effect on the outer layers of material and micro deburr the sharp edges , reducing the chance if a stress riser to form or travel near as far . Probably best to just use birdshot in these old glories.
“If you still have the gun, check the cross pin in the bolt & the sear in the receiver. The points where these meet wear down & then they won’t properly engage (I.e., lock together or “cock”), causing the firing pin to strike upon lowering the bolt handle.”
If you still have the gun, check the cross pin in the bolt & the sear in the receiver. The points where these meet wear down & then they won’t properly engage (I.e., lock together or “cock”), causing the firing pin to strike upon lowering the bolt handle. To those discussing the recall, what was the magic “fix” that solved the problem? *As far as I can tell* everything on the 23 is identical to the 14-17 12 gauges.
The gun was NEVER recalled by the maker, High Standard that should tell you something. 40 years after it was out of production two different incidents by two individual morons misused the gun causing Sears to panic and put the recall to avoid lawsuits. The gun is sound, people are not to bright.
High Standard didn’t recall them because it wasn’t their problem, they just built them to Sears’ specks. But even if you don’t believe these receivers were machined too thin, there seem to be plenty of people (including me, the guy in the video, & others in the comments here) who have ones prone to misfiring. If yours still works, congrats, but I’d recommend using only low powered ammunition in these things.
Would using steel-cased ammo like Winchester white box target loads be a problem for these? I know they're low-powered loads but not sure if that could be riskier than brass
Never ever use steel shot in these !!!!! The barrels can't expand enough to accommodate steel shot ! Very bad idea and has probably ruined A LOT of early / old shotgun barrels. Most any late model gun it is not a problem.
The gun was NEVER recalled by the maker, High Standard that should tell you something. 40 years after it was out of production two different incidents by two individual morons misused the gun causing Sears to panic and put the recall to avoid lawsuits. The gun is sound, people are not to bright.
only models 583.13 to 583.22 were affected. they were manufactured by High Standard which initiated the recall. those shotguns had a half dozen or so manufacturers.
The gun was NEVER recalled by the maker, High Standard that should tell you something. 40 years after it was out of production two different incidents by two individual morons misused the gun causing Sears to panic and put the recall to avoid lawsuits. The gun is sound, people are not to bright.
Thats not a crack dude. The receiver was a forged part. They put it in a jig and milled the top part of the receiver round..the bottom part of the receiver, was ground on a different jig. And they just dont match. Every one you pick up has that..
The crack he’s pointing at is in the *one-piece* tune of the receiver, which *should* be solid. Mine does *not* have a visible crack there, although it also misfires occasionally.
If I recall correctly. Test for crack. Put oil on suspected cracked area. Wipe dry. Wiggle and stress area. If wet oil starts seeping out and will show the crack. LOVE
in my opinion if it were mine, I would check the receiver to make sure there is not cracking and that it functions properly. They are neat shotguns but have they have a weak receiver that will eventually fail with enough use.
anatnom101 They sell for about $50 on gunbroker when tthey pop up. I would certainly give you that. You can sell the rest of the parts on gb to recoup your investment.
The bolt is missing because these things we're recalled. Because they'd crack where pictured and the bolt would come out the back. I have the same gun, it auto fires like this at times. Biggest issue is the bolt coming out under pressure
another review of a classic firearm by amateur who knows very little yet gives an tutorial anyway!
Thank you for making us aware of the issue. I have a model 583.7 that was not include in the recall, but not sure if it doesn't also suffer from the same machined / thinned areas of the receiver locking area.
Good info on the crack. First thing I did was inspect mine. Is ok.
Excellent information. Thanks for doing this, I always wondered about the reason for the recall.
Can ...we...speak....a...little ...slower...
Be nice.
@@smileygladhands that was me being nice..
Not everyone is on meth sir ..some of us on downers 😤
Fellow viewers, allow me to spare you an agonizing ten minutes. The receiver was cracked. You're welcome.
One thing about bolt action shotguns and rifles the best safety in my opinion is leaving the bolt open until you're ready to shoot it. Or you could take it to a licensed gunsmith and have the issue fixed
Hey everyone, please STOP offering kudos here! C’mon, this guy used “Channel Locks” & Squeezed the receiver together, Wow! Who would do that?? I know exactly what caused his hairline crack. If you don’t possess enough expertise to work on your firearm, then Don’t! Let someone with experience do it!! Wow.
Hello. Great video on this issue. What I find interesting is this model is supposedly NOT what's recalled, the recalled shotguns numbers start a 583.13 and stop at 583.22. I inherited my 583.23 from my father. He had told me awhile back about the bolt issue. There is no screw right now and I am also noticing a safety issue also. I was wondering if you or anyone has taken theirs to a shop to get these issue fixed and if its worth it.
Info sharing is great. Thanks
Have you considered having a qualified shop weld it on the outside?
I am really interested in what the crack looks like at the bolt latch.
I have a 583.17 model that has not developed cracks (yet?) and does not have the firing pin problem either. But I am curious what I should be looking out for. I dont plan on shooting anything besides birdshot out of this gun.
I've got the same model and have been afraid to fire it for years because of the recall stuff. But I don't physically see any issues with the bolt or receiver, and it feeds smooth. Maybe I'll take it to the outdoor range one day and try to hip fire it so if it does fail I won't lose my face, maybe just a finger.
Just pulled my 583.23 out and disassembled it. I put it back together and my functions properly and well. Maybe you have one with an improperly machined receiver that missed being rejected by quality control. Mine has been shot hundreds of times and as I said, still functions well. Thanks for the heads up though.
The gun was NEVER recalled by the maker, High Standard that should tell you something. 40 years after it was out of production two different incidents by two individual morons misused the gun causing Sears to panic and put the recall to avoid lawsuits. The gun is sound, people are not to bright.
@@mafirearmsafety yes they never replaced the screw that held the bolt in. Operator error not manufacture.
damn good gun I have had mine since the 50's some just don't get how well a $60 gun can be. It hunts and kills if need me I got mine from Tom Mix he love it
I have a 12 gauge 583.20 which is included in the recall. Just wondering which part failure is the reason for it? It fired ok without taking my face off the last time I tried it, around 1986. I am currently using it as a decoy.
As shown in the video, the receiver tubes tend to crack. Additionally, the sear & trigger wear down with use until the sear will no longer hold the firing pin in the cocked position - this causes the gun to “slam-fire” upon closing the bolt.
Will look at mine. Bolt would fly back and hit you in the eye ball. Also if crack effect tolerances in trigger sear -- EMPTY ROUNDS -- successfully cock gun -- slapp side of gun near trigger or crack and see if gun FIRES
You need a new receiver or part out gun. Maybe some shot heavy loads or 3 inch shells in your shotgun.
UNSAFE TO SHIOOT this gun.
LOVE
Fellow viewers, allow me to spare you an agonizing ten minutes. The receiver was cracked. You're welcome.
The problem of the crack developed with the 12 gauge only as the receiver OD was the same in the 12, 16 and 20 gauge guns but the diameter of the bolt was the largest in the 12 hence the thin wall at the extractors channels.
In all the years I have worked on guns I have yet to see a cracked one as you state I read the stories of people pulling the bolt out and hitting them in the face that can only happen if the locking screw is missing sears lost the contract with mosberg so it was cheaper to buy back the bolts making the guns useless than having to stock parts or warranty them I have several of them and I'm in my sixties
Yea its sort of an urban legend with these guns. From my research, in terms of recalled models, I could only find about a dozen or so reports of these issues. The guy who sued Sears didn't actually have his gun blow up. The bolt flew out and hit him in the face. Why? Because the retaining screw for the bolt was not properly torqued down. All bolt action guns suffer from this inherent design flaw as opposed to semi autos where the bolt will just slam into the back of the receiver. I currently own a 583.16 and I use it as a slug gun for deer. I always make sure that bolt screw is down and proper. Also, remember that the recall was for the 12 gauge models - not the 16s or 20s. Why? because the 12 gauge model is what the original lawsuit entailed. Sears decided to cover their ass and pay $160 for return of the bolts. Furthermore, remember that both 16 gauge and 20 gauge produce higher chamber pressure than 12 gauge. Long story short: tighten the screw and wear safety glasses.
this is a false statement, the 16 gauge did not fall under this recall, research it
Hello, how are you, I would like to know if the barrel can be disassembled from the base of the lock.
..... could you talk a lil slower pls.
Make sure your trigger sear is cleaned thoroughly and the sear plunger hole is clear of mung..
Squeeze it tight an weld it up on the outside with a grind in groove first use a heliark welder , polish back down an reblue... Problem solved...
Thank goodness he’s Not a Gunsmith! C’mon, take channel locks with padding and squeeze the receiver using the channel locks, are you kidding me?? I know exactly what caused that hairline crack!!!
I have one of these exactly like the one in the video except in 20 gauge and a modified choke barrel (no adjustable choke). I believe my example was made by High Standard. It was given to me by a friend some years ago and is in excellent condition. I became concerned when I heard there was a recall on this model but I believe the recall was for the 12 gauge models. There is a bolt retaining screw on the left hand side of the receiver which must be fully screwed in and tight. I make sure that screw is in properly and tight before I shoot it. Poor design feature in my opinion on an otherwise good 'utility/knockabout' shotgun after watching this video I'll make sure to keep an eye on the receiver.
i have a .24 in 16 ga. and i noticed at 21 seconds into the video that the rear of the receiver was belled out. that the channel for the bolt handle was not parallel should have been your first clue that something is amiss. good that you caught this issue but i'd hesitate to assume that it will happen to all of them. that said, it is certainly something to look for when inspecting and cleaning.
Oh, I forgot to mention that mine also has a capital "P" stamped (583.23 P). So I'm not sure about different versions.
hello friend will be possible to upload a video more detail of how this mechanism is very interesting I also want to be able to reproduce greetings from Mexico
👍 thanks for sharing!
If I don't have channelocks can I hit it with a dictionary and make it better?
That gun is not safe!!! Do not use that gun!!
583.23 was not included in the recall...info on the screw has been proven irrelevant, issue was elsewhere. 583.23 was manufactured after the issue was fixed.
Just curious, what was the issue that was “fixed”?
The 23 and 14+(older) 12 gauges *look* identical, & I’d wager the pieces are interchangeable.
I have a 583.16 and have had no problems except Screw in Front Magazine Band that some guy used wrong Flat Head Screw driver to take Screw out about messed straight part for Screw Driver before I got it.
it is your safety slide. you need to bend it up so that the safety slide ride against the receiver. i had one of these sence 1915. i have the 410. 20 gauge, 16 and the 12gauge love them
You have owned one of these guns for 108 years? How old are you?!
missprint.. i ment to say sence i was 15,, i am 63 yrs @@thepenultimateninja5797
Good video , any time metal is machined , heat treated whatever stress is put in . After welding on this one or restoring one like this one it is a great idea to shot pean or at least glass bead blast the entire inside area . Even glass beading within the proper pressure will have an effect on the outer layers of material and micro deburr the sharp edges , reducing the chance if a stress riser to form or travel near as far . Probably best to just use birdshot in these old glories.
Mine does the same thing. Scared the hell out of me. Needless to say, it does fire a round...
“If you still have the gun, check the cross pin in the bolt & the sear in the receiver. The points where these meet wear down & then they won’t properly engage (I.e., lock together or “cock”), causing the firing pin to strike upon lowering the bolt handle.”
If you still have the gun, check the cross pin in the bolt & the sear in the receiver. The points where these meet wear down & then they won’t properly engage (I.e., lock together or “cock”), causing the firing pin to strike upon lowering the bolt handle.
To those discussing the recall, what was the magic “fix” that solved the problem? *As far as I can tell* everything on the 23 is identical to the 14-17 12 gauges.
The gun was NEVER recalled by the maker, High Standard that should tell you something. 40 years after it was out of production two different incidents by two individual morons misused the gun causing Sears to panic and put the recall to avoid lawsuits. The gun is sound, people are not to bright.
High Standard didn’t recall them because it wasn’t their problem, they just built them to Sears’ specks. But even if you don’t believe these receivers were machined too thin, there seem to be plenty of people (including me, the guy in the video, & others in the comments here) who have ones prone to misfiring. If yours still works, congrats, but I’d recommend using only low powered ammunition in these things.
Would using steel-cased ammo like Winchester white box target loads be a problem for these? I know they're low-powered loads but not sure if that could be riskier than brass
Never ever use steel shot in these !!!!! The barrels can't expand enough to accommodate steel shot ! Very bad idea and has probably ruined A LOT of early / old shotgun barrels. Most any late model gun it is not a problem.
could you go any slower
maybe ;)
It's a HI-STANDARD M511B thus the type of my shotgun
Sears sold them 1950s 100 for the recall on the bolt.
The gun was NEVER recalled by the maker, High Standard that should tell you something. 40 years after it was out of production two different incidents by two individual morons misused the gun causing Sears to panic and put the recall to avoid lawsuits. The gun is sound, people are not to bright.
the issue is that the bolt handle itself is the locking lug. So it's putting a ton of asymmetric stress at that one spot whenever the gun fires.
Would the stop screw be the same thread pattern as the other models? I just bought this exact model an I don’t know if it would be the same
That is cross reference to High Standard model 200.
I have one like this one but the problem is the firing pin and i would like replace the whole bolt
What models was the recall on on a JC Higgins 12 gauge
That could be fixed , where the crack is not high stress area.
only models 583.13 to 583.22 were affected. they were manufactured by High Standard which initiated the recall. those shotguns had a half dozen or so manufacturers.
The gun was NEVER recalled by the maker, High Standard that should tell you something. 40 years after it was out of production two different incidents by two individual morons misused the gun causing Sears to panic and put the recall to avoid lawsuits. The gun is sound, people are not to bright.
What kind of screw is that or did you just find one that fitted?
Thats not a crack dude. The receiver was a forged part. They put it in a jig and milled the top part of the receiver round..the bottom part of the receiver, was ground on a different jig. And they just dont match. Every one you pick up has that..
yep, I totally agree!
The crack he’s pointing at is in the *one-piece* tune of the receiver, which *should* be solid. Mine does *not* have a visible crack there, although it also misfires occasionally.
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Okay, i cant tell from the picture..youre probably right.
If I recall correctly. Test for crack. Put oil on suspected cracked area. Wipe dry. Wiggle and stress area. If wet oil starts seeping out and will show the crack.
LOVE
Can you show ever park of the bolt action
Seems like this one can fit because it's almost the same
I have one of these guns as well, complete gun, is a 583 23P, should I keep firing it or stop?? Lol
in my opinion if it were mine, I would check the receiver to make sure there is not cracking and that it functions properly. They are neat shotguns but have they have a weak receiver that will eventually fail with enough use.
Probably broke while squeezing receiver with channel locks, next time take to qualified gunsmith.
What do you want for the bolt
This barrel where can get it? I want to buy
Thank You for all the info
Zzzzzz..........wake me up
sell me your bolt. I have a complete gun minus the bolt
I maybe interested in that, what's it worth to you?
anatnom101 They sell for about $50 on gunbroker when tthey pop up. I would certainly give you that. You can sell the rest of the parts on gb to recoup your investment.
anatnom101 you can get me direct at nyhalfassprepper at gmail.
it becomes you can get $100.00 for the bolt
The bolt is missing because these things we're recalled. Because they'd crack where pictured and the bolt would come out the back. I have the same gun, it auto fires like this at times. Biggest issue is the bolt coming out under pressure