LC Smith, prime conservation candidate: Anvil 0128
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- This LC Smith is representative of many, many "priceless" pieces that will be coming available soon. You have ONE shot at conservation. Don't be the guy/gal that hoses this up. We have the technology.... NOT a tutorial...we show what you need to learn, not how to do . Cannot perform at this level? Do NOT attempt.
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I don’t know if you’ve seen this Mark or tried it th-cam.com/video/7vtfXz-6g78/w-d-xo.htmlsi=vyz6d_IDp_UUzvIJ but he goes into the trigger plate refit at 22.30 in your view is it a good idea or is it asking for more problems if you really wreck the thread?
I was wondering if you could use a throw away screw in place of the punch and push on that so the threads would not be damaged in the screw hole
Ok, now I have seen it done. Standby for an update video showing this technique.
@@marknovak8255 Hopefully it actually works and wasn’t just a weak spring allowing it to move easily, either way it will be another video from you to look forward to
@@roberthoward5641 I was thinking similar but maybe tool steel or even the end of a punch threaded at the correct length so it screws down and you have an area to lever against. That’s only possible though if it sits in a way that you can thread the bar in straight and not at an angle and end up destroying the internal threads
It WILL hose up the threads, personal experience. The punch is the way to go here.@@ianpercy7464
wow, an entire hour of watching Mark in his element. sign me up!
Exactly what I thought when I saw the vid pop up!
I wish there was more!! I don’t understand how he doesn’t have more views.
The best and most interesting gunsmith channel on youtube by far.
This episode took me back almost 50 years to me as a teenager using my grandfather's old L. C. Smith 20 ga. double-barrel to go dove hunting. My dad had used the same gun when he was a teenager, and managed to plug the barrels while climbing over a fence (classic bad-news scenario). Of course when he fired the gun it damaged the ends of the barrels, and a "gunsmith" ended up cutting the barrels down to 18 and a half inches and replacing the bead sight. It wasn't really a dove gun anymore, but it was a hell of a quail gun! Also, with no recoil pad it was one of the hardest kicking shotguns I've ever shot! I used to keep a folded up towel under my hunting jacket to give my poor shoulder some relief! A friend of mine saw the towel one day, and he gave me some grief about "a little old 20 gauge" being too much gun for a big old boy like me. I told him to go ahead and shoot it, and he would see why I had the towel. He was using a new Remington 1100, so he thought he would just hold the L. C. Smith like a pistol with one hand and fire it off. I laughed my ass off when it almost took his arm off! He handed it back with new respect in his eyes. Then I showed him my bruised shoulder. He never made fun of me again!
Excellent work and explanations. I love that I’m not the only one who gets frustrated sometimes. Thank you
I get to charge for the frustration......!
Does that actually retire the frustration, or merely mask it?@@marknovak8255
You are an artist, sir.
I was given 17 long guns that were found in an old barn that nobody had been in for at least 50 years. Being in New England you can imagine the conditions. But after many hours of cleaning with 0000 steel wool, oil and boiled linseed oil, I have two of them cleaned up and looking great.
Thank you for your videos. I'm sure you've saved more old guns than you know!
I can not ever find the right words to appreciate all of what MR. NOVAK provides for us. A true education.
Always a pleasure to see your skills on display… I think often of who showed you and passed on the “tricks” of the trade. Thank you for sharing with us…
This guy Mark is mechanically brilliant. It is a pleasure to watch the man work.
And let me tell you, I enjoyed the hell out of this video.
Absolutely gorgeous craftsmanship with absolutely zero concern about serviceability
Man these videos are so great, thank you for the effort in making them.
My pleasure
I believe a huge amount of gun smithing is being able to hold your mouth just right to make small parts go in.
What a fabulous teacher !
We all do it. Would you trust a guy who doesn’t?
Got no idea why I'm watching this but I could listen to this man's expert knowledge for hours.
I must thank you! I have been trying to fix my A H Fox Sterlingworth 12 gauge Model 1911 for several weeks now because the lever would not lock in the open position on breaking the action. I had removed the base plate and screws trying to see the problem. You made a point of starting the disassembly by cleaning the area under your work bench in case a part were to fall on the floor. That made me look at the area under my bench and I found the missing plunger that held the rotating lock open and hence the lever. The plunger had fallen out of the action after I removed the screw and I didn’t notice. Thanks for the common sense solution!
Thank you very much for showing all these steps again. While its mostly all repeated info, it bears repeating, and the tidbits of info that arn't being repeated are always good additions.
Sweet, time for another awesome video. Time to sit down and the bench and get some collators assembled. Cheers from WA state.
One of these with a cracked stock was the first gunsmithing project I tried after watching this show a few years ago. You make it look a lot easier than I do!
I learn something new with every video you make. I’m gaining decades of knowledge in minutes! Thank you for making these shows.
mr mark thankyou so much for your gunsmith knowledge you share with us just starting out i enjoy watching and learning from a awesome southern man that likes to share his skill thankyou again
I enjoy watching people who are good at what they do.
Mark, I thoroughly enjoy all of your videos. In many ways you remind me of my late father. He was many things combined in one person. He was a classicly trained concert organist, an electrician, a skilled machinist, and he owned an electric motor sales and repair shop. As a kid in the early 60's my greatest joy was going to the shop and "helping" dad. He taught me a little bit about everything, how to read a slide rule, micrometer caliper etc, and he would give me little jobs like turning the commutator of an electric motor on the lathe, then filing the slots smooth for the brushes to make proper contact, etc. In this video you were talking about not forcing something. That immediately reminded me of a task he'd given me taking something apart, I was having trouble so I implemented use of a technical alignment tool, (a hammer) oh boy did I catch heck when he heard that hammer. His words are still crystal clear all these years later. "Someone put that together without forcing it, you shouldn't have to force it to come apart". I learned to ask for instruction or help rather than proceed to the next larger hammer.
Your skills shine through as ever Mark.
I wish the gunsmith who conserved my great grandfather's LC Smith watched your videos. I looked for that shotgun for 10 years, found it, and didn't trust myself to do the work. Took it to him and he told me that barrels shouldn't ring and that that was a myth. Should have heeded that red flag and left. Unfortunately I didn't and he pulled 2 dents out of the barrels with a hammer that's face wasn't polished. I'd rather have the dents in it with how bad he marred it up...
Sad, but true. I'm trying to get out in front of the future problems with these videos
I have a old Baldwin Damascus 12 gage that muzzle of one tobe is corroded and the sear is gone on one hammer and almost on the other. Is it worth restoring?
I did a very similar job on an Ithaca sxs from the 1920s that I was gifted, thanks to some of the things I learned watching your videos. Gave that old gun new life and was pleased to harvest some ruffed grouse with it last fall. I did have to find a professional to reinstall the hammers and mainsprings, though, those were a real bear and I wasn't equipped for the job.
For corroded screws an impact driver works well (the kind you hit with a hammer, not air or electric) they are inexpensive and you can grind the bits for sizing. The strike breaks the corrosion. The force is directed through the bottom of the screws recess and the design helps prevent cam out.
You can also get the same effect by tapping the handle of the driver when its set in the screw.
Thanks for the video. I have my grandfather's 12 gauge 32 inch full and full. It needs a little attention before I pass it on to my cousin's grandson. Now I know how to do it. I traded a 20 gauge 26 inch skeet and skeet in 1973, because of a minor problem. I know, I still regret that one.
I have a Florida Import double barrel 12 gauge. It's old , I don't know how old. It works like it should . The stock is cracked . It looks like someone used it to beat a bear to death. But I drilled some holes , put some screws in and tightened it up. It works and I'm happy with it. Thanks man.
I have my grandfather's LC Smith trap grade that he ordered and passed away before it came in I have it and the original box of shells that came with it. it's a 1937 made by Hunter arms and it's in perfect shape. It is a beautiful shotgun
WOW! Awesome video! Your work is top shelf. That shotgun looks ready to hit the field again. I'd love to bring you my P.O. Ackley (actual) made .270 for some freshening up. Ackley built the rifle for my wife's grandfather at his shop in S.L. City. It even has his original Ackley branded 3x9 scope.
Best wishes, Mark. You're one of the last true professionals.
- And the 'intermission' whilst you did you best not to "wanker" the screw was classic.😅
If's there's something I've learned in life; Is that you can take anything apart, but the crucial part is that you have to know how to put it back together.
Mark: You never fail to make me smile. As I got older and gained knowledge, I realized just how much I didn't know. Dean from Arizona
It's not patina, it's rust. - Mark Novak 2023.
Own an LC Smith that was originally purchased by my great-great grandfather. It has had thousands of twelve gauge shells fired through it since 1894. The only thing to have broken on it are the external hammers and the firing pins. My dad retired it in the late 1970s when the perils of firing smokeless shells through Damascus barrels became evident.
Watching your channel helped me fix up my old discontinued muzzleloader. Thanks
Outstanding video. I have a LC Smith Field grade 16 gauge. It was purchased by my Grandfather in 1914. It is my favorite grouse gun. I will not attempt what your video shows. I lack both skill and confidence. Thank you for sharing.
I had one that I had a gunsmith repair for me. Made sure to have him leave the dark oil stains around the grip and forend. Also had him clean up the peening near the hinge where the barrels had been dropped open over and over.
A master at his craft…..the stogie in the background lends a powerful old world credibility to your work sir.
I have done this work to all my SxS’s but wish you were overseeing my handiwork.
Well done 🤝
Thank you. That was one complicated disassembly and reassembly. $300 is a deal. Always enjoy watching.
I believe the 300 is an lc smith premium on top of his service fee
Never realised that a side by side involved such complex engineering, thanks so much Mark
Complex engineering all before the computer age. Most every gun nowadays is over simplified and made to be as cheap as possible, unless it is of course a fine firearm.
Sweep before you start- ultra pro tip that any schmuck can do. Great advise for installing roll pins
A carding wheel is a small price to pay even to do one arm. I now chuck it into a drill press. Following your cautionary notes I have done a few 22's and single shot shotguns to learn how to do this. The results are always very satisfying.
Is the floor is swept, turn all lights off and lay a flashlight on the floor. That light will cause a shadow to be cast along the floor making finding the part easier.
Always a pleasure watching you work Mark Novak. I learned a lot from watching your videos.
Very educational from a skilled master. Thank you
I have a 12 gage side by side from the 20s. Had no idea they were that complicated to repair.
Mine still works and looks like new. Thanks for the vid.
I truly love your videos mark. Please keep them coming!
As always it has been my pleasure watching your work sir.
I am sending you salutations the ARMY WAY. “AIRBORNE BROTHER”
Great video. My grandfather had a complete set of LC Smiths and a set of Parkers as well. Thanks for the memories
I own several LC Smith’s and I love them. Larry potter field of midway has a video showing a different way of getting that lever over to put the trigger plate in.
The mainspring reinstallation I did not know about. Good idea.
Thanks for making these videos, I appreciate how much effort goes into it. I find the subject fascinating. Also those of us that hung in there were rewarded with a little Papasha action 😀
Awesome, as always! Thanks for the education.
Never going to use this knowledge on a gun but the ideas are good to other bits of machinery many thanks for your efforts in making these videos. Hope all goes well from the cowed uk.
Just what I needed after I found myself looking at Parkers and L.C.'s on gunsinternational this morning. Thanks Mark!
Lol.
If you think elsies are bad Parker's are a whole different can of worms. But I love em all especially Fox, Ithaca, LC, & Parker.
Good test of barrel set soundness, wooden handle tap. Hadn't thought of that.
Awesome watching this one Mark, as usual!😊
Thanks again for the show and humor. Enjoyed, Done a little of this over the years.
Wonderful video, Mark. I have always thought of Elsies as tragic beauties. It seems you agree. Thank you for the presentation. Perry
Excellent presentation as always.
Still the best channel on TH-cam if you want to take care of blued steel and walnut!
Fascinating, i really enjoyed this.
Excellent Presentation Mark ! You Are A True Craftsman ! Time Well Spent Learning The LC Smith Mechanicals.
Excellent travail merci pour vos compétences
Neglect becomes a patina when it's everywhere. To answer your favorite question.
That is complicated. Hats off brother
Mark, thank you for sharing... You always show the most interesting things. Im still very glad i was able to send you my wifes Springfield Trapdoor.
Such a fiddly technical complex system. Nicely explained as usual. Thanks.
Great craftsmanship 💯💪🏻
My great grandfather bought three of them from a door to door saleman. He bought himself a double 12 with hammers, he bought my granfather a 12 gauge hammerless, and my great aunt a .410 double (I can't remember if it had hammers or not). Then his brother down the road bought two from the same guy; one for himself and a 16 gauge double hammerless for my 3rd cousin. My grandfather kept his under his truck seat when farming in case he ran up on some game, a snake, or a coyote. My dad kept it on his tractor for the same reason. I used it to hunt a few times. Goofing around, I lost the safety tangs, but we never trusted the safety. It's still tight with some original blue on it.
Elsie is built good enough not to worry about worn out parts too much. I've had 4 total and still have one, a 10 gauge, that is a fancy wall hanger because Damascus Barrels.
It is a misconception that break-action shotguns (or rifles) are mechanically very simple. They are not! :)
I agree, they are NOT.
Revolvers too. Seems simple till ya get the sideplate off!
@@distalradius8146 I was about to mention that as well!
Thanks Mark for everything you do.
Thanks Mark, nice video! I conserve many firearms in the 2 museums where I'm volunteer, and I -know- that some specimens can really be a pain putting together, but with persistance, and perseverance, you succeed and the next one you get: you -know- .
A pleasure to watch a True Craftsman and a Man after mine own heart.
OMG! Thank you so much! I absolutely love these video’s! There is so much to envy here, least of which are the intermission breaks with the full auto stress reduction therapy!
My L.C. Smith Field Grade has the proof marks of US Army ordinance. These were used to train bomber gunners in WW2
Awesome job Mark, Thanks for your insight to Smith and all LC stuff... Cheers!
The reassembly reminds me of when I was trying to reassemble a sear cage in a CZ clone (Jericho). And that was nowhere near as technically difficult as this. I was able to hobble through by manufacturing sacrificial pins out of bamboo skewers. But I did spend 45 minutes trying to get things done without taking the time to do them right. Ah, humanity.
They surely had fun designing that thing!
Mark I love all your videos. This one brought back some painful memories. In 1958 at age 16 I bought an LC that had the muzzle blown open like a banana for $15. I cut the barrels at 21 inches resoldered the ribs (sort of) and jug choked them. Worked great but like the curious monkey I wondered how it worked inside so I took it apart. I don't remember how I got it back together but it took literally weeks of monkeying and I didn't drill any holes. I'd love to know how they did it at the factory. I never took another one apart.
I would love to see the factory drawings.
Wonder what trickery the original assembler used to align those parts without a hole? The engineering that goes into so many of these old guns never ceases to amaze me. Thanks for sharing.
Trickery is the only word to describe it, the older guys in any trade have some ridiculously useful tips hidden up there almost universally
I've put mine together twice without drilling a hole, but my last attempt was 10-14 years ago and the Smith is still in the shop in parts. I think I'll get her down and try to put her back together. When I got her the stock in the pistol grip area was broke in half. The previous owner use some type of glue, short nails, wrapped it with brass sheeting, and screwed it all together and shot it that way so much the heads were almost gone on some of the screws, at least the slots were almost gone. I took it apart, cleaned everything up, used epoxy, put her back together and she worked great until my son and his buddy dropped so high brass into her and pulled both barrels at the same time, the wood broke again, but not in the same place as before. I fixed the wood but trying to get that spring back in almost made me lose my religion or I broke or lost a part, it's been too long and I don't remember. Anyway after watching this I think it's time to get her down and put her together again.
th-cam.com/video/UXPpnBnJOnw/w-d-xo.html this was my answer as to how.
I’ve got a few old Remington doubles I am going to try your steel wool trick on the stocks. It really revives the wood nice without over doing it
Love the cut away.
"It took us 45 minutes of frustration and trying.'"
Translates into: we were this close to setting the stock on ire and melting it all with a cutting torch alll while screaming every known and some as yet uninvented expletives. So instead of doing that, we got it done, smoked a cigar, had something to eat. Maybe shot a few things, then came back to pick the rest of the video up. But I swear if anyone out there says they can do this with their eyes closed and demonstrates it in person, I won't murder them and bury them in the backyard. Promise.
Mark, we know what was said through tone and the breath pause before it's said. and you're right, something like that if I ever came my way, would be fairly well worth paying a competent individual to do. Because any monkey can swing a hammer, only a trained monkey can actually hit the nail.
Really fun to watch you transform that gun in front of our eyes. Thanks Mark
LC has been one of my Favorites coming from Syracuse, NY. Buddy hunted with one over his Brittany along side of me and me with my Browning. A major regret in my life was passing on a Two gun boxed set when I moved to Annapolis in 1985 for $1200. 😢
Those carding wheels fit nicely on my el cheepo bench grinder. Took the guard off, drill the hole out in the wood core and get a pair of fender washers. Worth every penny ive spent on it.
I had to take my LC Smith apart to clean it as it was gummed up to where it would not function properly. I too had to drill the small hole inside the stock and have help to reassemble it. I have always wondered what dark magic they used to assemble it originally. Thanks for the awesome video!!!
I'd bet gun jesus is a fan of Mark Novak. I always see talk of who the best guntuber is, but his name never gets mentioned. Learning techniques to fix things on the spot is crucial to self preservation and this channel showcases real world scenarios on fixing a broken gun with what you have.
He's sent a few to Mark for work fromwhatIhaveseenor heard. Mark R. Novak is the go-to with irreplaceable firearms.
Nice video. I have a nice LC3E and a field grade hammer gun with a busted wrist. After watching I may let someone else disassemble the action. I am concerned about screwing up threads or breaking that spring. Have to know your limits. I would rather pay someone with experience vs making my hammer a wall hanger. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for the video, my friends. You are definitely an expert and an artist.
Fascinating video as always, well... wow, the mechanics... just thinking of milling/machining all these... that's a LOT of work.
Absolutely a rabbit hole... :)
Its double gun I ever worked on was an lc Smith ideal grade. It had been worked on by the handy gun owner. I bought it to teach how not to do things to your gun.
It's a pleasure to watch a master at his craft.
I've got an old 16 gauge SxS that we believe is over 100 years old that needs some lovin'. The only identifier on it is it has RANGER stamped on the side and what appears to be a serial number. It currently is chillin' in the safe and someday when I have time, I will get to it.
On guy was selling one at the swap meet for $250 And it looked pretty decent Try to get him down to a 150 He didn't budge
Mark were is your shop at. Cant find anybody with your skills in my part of the woods. Please
By the way (Mark I'm sure you've probably seen this) I stumbled upon this fantastic gun making video in TH-cam. The titel says "Gunsmith of Williamsburg (1969)"...
Really good video, I highly recommend it...
@@marknovak8255 When of the best videos I seen
Great video
I'm preparing do do a similar job on a 12 ga Stevens 311. Please tell me it will be less complicated inside. I know that the two guns are very different.
Dramatically simpler.