BEFORE YOU INSTALL A PREDATOR 212CC ENGINE ON A SNOWBLOWER, WATCH THIS!
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BEFORE YOU INSTALL A PREDATOR 212CC ENGINE ON A SNOWBLOWER, WATCH THIS! INSTALLING a PREDATOR ENGINE is not a difficult process. Easier PULL STARTS and POWERFUL PERFORMANCE in HEAVY SNOW make this Predator 212cc Engine a NO-BRAINER. This ARIENS SNO-THRO definitely performs better with it. Watch as I go over STEP BY STEP how to prep the new engine and get it MOUNTED FAST. This is step two in my plan to RE-POWER this Ariens into a SNOW THROWING TANK. This looks to be one of my funnest projects yet! LIKE & SUBSCRIBE!!!
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It is $100 cheaper at Harbor Freight than Amazon.
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@@debbieandkurtray380 hey Debbie my email is in the video description! Thanks for watching!
My wife thinks I’m right weird, I hear or see someone doing an engine swap on a car or truck and I’m just “😒” but an engine swap on a SNOWBLOWER now you got my attention 😂
Hahaha you’re in good company Tanner! I’m the same way! 👍
Same here 😀
She should be happy tell her the the price difference of an engine swap on a snow blower versus a car she just might go get you the engine from harbor freight lol
Same
I just finished doing this engine swap on my 1971 Ariens and was amazed how everything lined up perfectly to the old Tecumseh engine. The only difference I had to do from following these excellent instructions, was that I had to feed the new engine mounting bolts down from the top because of the limited space due to the transmission components. Many thanks from another Buffalonian.
ROCK ON NEIGHBOR! Very cool you got a predator on that old gal!
I have the exact same ariens. I bought it 15 years ago for $200 not knowing anything about it. The previous owner put a 5hp honda on it. It has never let me down. I recently just bought a mid to late 80s honda hs55 as my new primary snowblower, not a chance i get rid of the old Ariens. That will be with me for life😊
Awesome my friend! These are great machines!
nice work, You need to add a piece of rubber to the inner impeller. It will keep it from clogging and helps with wet slushy snow. Lots of videos on here to see how its done. Top tip- you do not need to add the rubber to every blade of the impeller. If you have four just do two opposite each other if you have three you could even get away with one.
Oh yeah! Already got that done! Thanks for the tip!
@@GarageGear cool!!
Awesome inspiration - thank you for posting this and for all your other videos. I just did this Predator swap on my 1973 Ariens 910008 (got it from my neighbor for $100 a few years ago). Just FYI I had to disassemble the transmission to get access to bolt the Predator. There are two "arms" held by some pins under the front bolt holes. Those must be removed or I couldn't access the existing holes (which match perfectly with the new engine!!!). I ended up putting the two "front" bolts from the top, with lock washers/nuts on the bottom. The two in the back were able to go 'up'. I replaced the friction disc while I was under there, greased and lubed everything. There are some good vids showing how to take this apart easily and it sort of "swings" up. The pulley cover bolt also does not fit the predator, but I'll pick one up to match the size (5/16). And I *think the tension/guides are good, but now that I know my way around this tank, I'm confident I can adjust/fix if needed.
Oh and a tip to help relocate the gear for the chute... I used two hinge blanks stacked like these... www.amazon.com/Hinge-Blanks-Door-Hinges-Nickel/dp/B07L8NRP2K/ref=sr_1_13_sspa?crid=CXP3BHDG5D4K&keywords=hinge+plate&qid=1667319702&qu=eyJxc2MiOiI0LjQzIiwicXNhIjoiNC4zNCIsInFzcCI6IjQuMTkifQ%3D%3D&sprefix=hinge+plat%2Caps%2C146&sr=8-13-spons&psc=1&smid=A1G5OS4TK6MMVH
Hey Nathan! Thanks for your positive feedback! I appreciate it! Also, thanks for sharing your tips and tricks here as well! Very helpful to other viewers! Thanks for watching! 👍
I added the Hemi Predator to my 1980 MTD 5/24 that my father in law gave me about 15 years ago. I had to definitely do some fabrication. double pully hole diameter required a sleeve which I easily got on E-Bay. While I was doing this I also replaced all the bearings and bushings resealed the auger drive housing repainted the auger and housing. I put an hour meter on as well. Starts right up runs strong and kicks ass in the snow. Very happy with the motor and how this machine looks.
Awesome Scott thanks for sharing! 👍
Makes the the Best Buy list!
I did the swap about 10 years ago and still going strong.
Had to drill out the main jet for cold starts.
Glad others find the value in these machines as I have owned mine since 1986 as 2nd owner.
Awesome my friend! These machines are in a league of their own! Thanks for watching
@@GarageGear have a look at my video on TH-cam under my name. A little nervous in front of the camera lol
@@CanadianCharby hey Charby! I watched your videos! Very cool machine my friend! I have a lot of questions for you! First did you paint that whole thing yourself? It looks great! Feel free to email me to carry on this conversation. My email is in the description. Thanks my friend!
Great video!!! I did the same thing and used the predator engine on a john deere snowblower, the only problem I had was the throttle linkage would freeze up. So I used a metal paint tray to fabricate a sheld to cover it up to make the linkage work as it should. The up I used was similar to the actual Honda snowblower. No fun when the engine linkage freezes up.
Thanks for sharing this Cameron! That’s good thinking! Maybe I’ll turn something similar to this I to a video someday! 👍
I put a 212cc Predator hemi engine on an old 29" thrower and added paddles to the impellers. It NEVER clogs and throws snow clear across the street. So if if you have an annoying neighbor, you can easily clogg their driveway. Only issue is the carb gets too cold when it's snowing. It needs a heat shield from the muffler to the carb to keep it warm, otherwise it starts surging badly after a while of use.
Good info here jman! Thanks for sharing!
I converted over to vacuum extraction a number of years ago. It's the way to go for everything from automobiles to air compressor pumps -- no mess, no fuss, quick and easy.
Yea those things definitely do a great job! Thanks for sharing my friend! 👍
Ever since I subscribed to your channel, I look forward to snowstorms so I can use my snowblower. Especially that I have a much better understanding of how snowblowers work and how to properly maintain them. Then of course, we are waiting for lawnmower season to begin. Up here in Northern Vermont, that’s only the first week in July.
Awesome Joseph! My goal with this channel is share the knowledge of these machines. Lawn season is coming fast and I’m running out of snow here. Plenty to come with lawn care this season! Stay tuned!
The front end on the newer Ariens tend to lift up as soon as the going gets tough or they encounter an obstacle like a sidewalk crack. It winds up taking more work to operate them instead of just keeping their head down and plowing forward.
Thanks for sharing! The old ones had so much weight in the front end it helped keep them down! 👍
I put one of these babies on my old McClaren edger. Tight fit but let's just say that edging nearly 1000 linear feet is very fast now. Thanks for your videos and channel!
Awesome Wayne! Thanks for being a cool fan! 👍
I bought a Preditor 212 yesterday (7/16/2022) for $129.99 after $20.00 coupon.
I looked on HB today and they are now $159.99. What the heck? Can’t wait
to put it on the old Toro 826 LE. Thanks again!
Hey Rando! Their prices fluctuate quickly. Looks like you caught them at the right time. It will bring new life to your old machine! Have fun with the install! Thanks for watching!
I've watched a few of your videos and I see that you are very safety conscious, however I don't hear you mention hearing protection. Maybe I missed it, but as an old guy with hearing loss and Tinnitus I always preach ear plugs or over ear protection. Especially with lawn equipment with snow throwers being the worst. Great attitude and simplified videos without a bunch of filler stuff thrown in. Cheers, Graham.
Hey Graham! I do mention it in a few videos! I do suffer a little bit of hearing loss myself so I respect what you’re saying! Thanks for sharing and watching! Appreciate your positive feedback!
Super comment, hearing protection is vitally important.
I did a almost the same thing. Swapped out the 8hp briggs with a china 420cc/13hp engine on a 78 gilson blower. Its lethal, nothing can stop it. IT snaps ekstension cords and dog chains without bogging😂
It’s a lethal weapon lol! Thanks for sharing Glenn!
I took an old ariens that originally had a 2.75 hp engine that was bad.
I stuck a predator engine on it but i had to combine the old dual shaft into one and i had to modify the drive wheel by reversing it.
It was a lot of work but that thing really ate thru the snow.
I heard reversing it was the trick! Thanks for sharing
I’ve been waiting for this! What a super deal you got too! I know my old Tecumseh HM-80 is really old, but that 212cc should do the trick. Super stoked to do this engine swap.
Hey Adam! It was an awesome deal! Almost felt like I stole it lol! 212’s work on a lot of blowers! Give it a swap and let me know how it goes!
So I mounted this engine, and it fit perfectly on my John Deere TRS27, the footprint and hole configuration is perfect. I was stoked since we're getting hit my a huge storm in the Northeast tomorrow. Pulleys went on the shaft nice and easy too. Unfortunately, the pulleys on the shaft do not line up with the auger and drive pulleys. Even though the shaft is the exact same measurement as the original, the actual face of the engine is about 2" further back than the the old one. 😮💨 I checked all the other measurements before buying, and it sure looked like a perfect match. I thought of drilling new closer mounting holes, but existing hardware on the blower wont allow that. Unless there's a way to extend the drive shaft 2", I guess it's going back to Harbor Freight, and out comes the shovels (and my back as well 😤.) This is not to discourage anyone from doing this, just check and double-check all possible measurements first!
Hey Paul, you could try cutting the original mount bolts off and reposition the engine closer where you’d like it and drill in holes for new bolts. Perhaps that could work. Let me know if it’s a possibility!
That is a GREAT build!! The heavy body & transmission of a 70's Ariens (and in great shape for its age) and a new engine. Talk about an incredible solution for $200!!! A couple of things to note. Shouldn't the top edge of the belly pan be "hooked" behind the sheet metal above it? Did you inspect & clean the friction disc & slide axle?
Hey Matt! This has been a fun build so far! And yes for $200 a hell of a deal! I’m going to check that belly pan. I’m not sure if it hooks under or not! I’ll see. The friction disk and slide axle are all good. That thing is a race at in 4th gear with the new engine. Incredibly fast. Thanks for watching bud!
Just stumbled across this video. I didnt see this mentioned yet. As far as engine mods there is a go cart racing class called the predator class. Tons of racing parts for that engine
Oh yeah! I should have mentioned that. People go crazy with these engines! Really cool stuff out there! Thanks for sharing!
With that new engine this old Ariens will run another 50 years! The predator engines are well regarded for their high quality and low price. Especially for the price you paid lol. The 212 is also known to punch above its weight class. I also remember watching a video about a year ago where a guy did a complete breakdown between the hemi and non-hemi versions. I don't recall the reasoning but I do remember in the end he recommended the non-hemi version.
Hey Smallblock I imagine it’s got a lot more life left now! I totally agree the 212 punches above it’s weight class! Seems like it’s more of an 8hp engine than a 6.5. Based on reviews alone the hemi has about 400 and the non hemi has about 4000. I think that says a lot! Keep on rocking my friend!
Hey JB! A question for you - I have a very similar snowblower although slightly older, model 10970. I believe it to be a 1969 or 1970 year. Anyway, it has a cog-style chute rotation system. Any tips on moving the cog when installing a Predator? It is much more in the way than the worm drive your blower has.
Did you try going down and out with it?
DUDE! You are my hero! My Ariens Sno Thro is 53 years old this year and it JUST DIED ON ME! I called around and was told I could not get an engine to fit, so I bought a NEW Ariens, but could not throw away the old one. Then I saw this video and now know what to do! I will buy a new Predator engine and install it on my chassis and maybe my son can carry on with the SNO THRO for another 53 years! Thank you! YOUDAMAN!!!
Haha lol you should be able to get an engine on that no problem. The only thing you’ll have to check is if it’s a single pulley or dual pulley. If it’s a two pulley engine then I would say you’re out of luck but if it’s a single shaft with one pulley you’re good to go!
@@GarageGear My Arien snow thro tecumseh engine is a dual pulley and just died. It is a few years later than yours(model 922010). I bought a new engine and there's only 1 shaft. Is there anyway to connect the drive pulley and auger pulley together?
@@cuthbertkwan2594 there is but I think it only works for certain models. The shifting linkage on the back/bottom will need to be flipped. And you’re gonna need to get a new belt that’s probably going to need to be longer. Swapping engines on those is tough. Sorry to say this but you may want to consider returning your engine unless you can figure out the issues I mentioned. Let me know how it works out. Merry Christmas 👍
I have to drill holes to mount the larger predator engine. I actually used bigger pulley for the auger. I also welded steel to reduce clearance to the housing. Using the leftover from the new scraper blade and skid shoes. No need to mod the engine. Or should I risk a unplanned dismantling.
It sounds like you got a good plan here. Thanks for watching!
I am feeling inspired to swap my motor in my same exact snow blower. I do like the push button start, does predetors have that provision? Side note I used a harbor freight coupon code (which is on the actual coupon) that had restrictions but I needed a 60gal stand up air compressor (i think 3 hp) motor and I got 50% off via online purchase so its a nice hack.
Hey Aaron I think the higher end engines may have that but those can get pretty pricey. Awesome hack! Glad to hear that this video inspired you a bit to tackle an engine swap! 👍
Great video, I own the exact same snowblower, any suggestions on how to make the chute not turn on its own, That thing tends to vibrate and like to turn right at me... Thx
Hey Dave, thank you! In regards to the chute, I have never experienced this but you may want to check your chute bolts at the base. Make sure they are tight! Thanks for watching
What? No fuzzy dice?? 😂
Man, that was as easy a swap as I have ever seen. You're right, it's like that 212 was made for this machine. Lol
Another kick a$$ vid, JB!!
Knew I forgot something! I really think they were made to fit right on these! The chute was the only thing that slowed me down! Thanks as always for the positive feedback Paul! What’s up in your garage this week?
@@GarageGear No garage, just a big shed. Lol.
And sadly, not much. No snow to blow, and no grass to mow........ 🤣
@@paulmysliborski4832 got it! I hear ya! I’m getting close to that point as well. I call it “no snow-mow season! Lol! Usually lasts for about a month here.
Excellent video! I'm about to do the same conversion on my 1980's Ariens snowblower. So did the engine mounting holes line up with the existing mounting holes in the snow blower body? If that was the case, why bother removing the original mounting bolts?
The original mounting bolts weren’t tall enough.
Gotcha, thanks!
My JD snowblower has a 8 HP Tecumseh. Will a 6.5 predator work for me? I thought of doing what you did before I saw your video. Its a 28 inch auger. Thanks.
Hey Rory! Most definitely! I’ve seen guys put these on 32 inch machine and they still have more power than the tecumseh engines! Can’t go wrong with them! Plenty of power! Thanks for watching!
Really liked this video. Two questions. What was the reason you took the foam block out of the air cleaner? Is that because snow blower engines aren't run with air filters installed? Second, you had to modify the position of your chute crank. Is that typical with a modification like this? That would be the one thing that is outside of my skill set, although I'm sure I could find someone that could do it for me.
Hey Bill! I took the foam air filter out because moisture gets trapped in those, freezes, and blocks air flow. Best not to have one as most snowblowers don’t! Second, if you could find a small flat piece of metal like I did and drill some holes in it you should be fine. That should be all you’ll need. Perhaps you could also find a local welder to make one for you like I did. Or even pop a question out there on Facebook book to see if someone could help you out. Let me know how it works out for you.👍
If the fan is turning much faster that means the drive plate that its directly linked to is also turning much faster. With the wet stuff and ice I usually deal with my machine couldn't handle moving into it any faster, the fan blades are already bent as is it. I think the weak link of these ariens is the fan blades aren't supported underneath, I've seen 3 machines so far that have bent fan blades.
Thanks for sharing Tim!
Nice machine, very solid. I like the lever engage auger, but I guess they took that away for a reason. I think you could turn around and sell the engine for about what you bought the machine for. 🤟
Hey Jonathan! Definitely a solid machine! If my buddy doesn’t claim it I’ll either sell it as is or part it out on eBay. Thanks for watching!
Nahhhhh, gonna keep her and make her better! Dropping an impeller kit on it this weekend. Kinda fun actually…
Nice! I always looked at those Predators at Harbor Freight, often on sale, wondered if plopping them on a snowblower is a good option!
They’re awesome engines my friend! No complaints on this end!
Instead of having just the pull start would it be possible to install a Craftsman 110 volt 951-10645 electric starter (if you happened to have one lying around) on this?
Hey David it would more than likely not fit. Keep me posted if you try it and get it to! !
I have a really old Toro 824 with a bad engine. Predator engines won't fit because they are lacking the bolt holes for the belt tension pulley. Is there any work-around for that?
Hey R! I’d have to see it in person to truly tell!
@garage gear JB fellow Buffalo resident here. My dad has a very similar rig would the 420 predator swap be the same? Or is that too much power for the auger?
Hey Patrick! It might be too much for machine. The 212 is more than enough power for these size blowers. Can’t go wrong with it. Easy swap too. Bigger engine may need more modifications. Thanks for watching bud!
I really enjoyed watching yr videos. Never done any mechanic job and succeed in changing belts and friction disk on my ariens 28 deluxe. Many thanks
Michel fm quebec, Canada
Awesome my michel! Great work! Thanks for being a cool fan!
Are these motors typically bolt-on like this? Or with more common & modern MTD machines, do you often have to drill new mounting holes and modify/adapt the output shaft?
They fit most models just fine! They usually have them on display! You could always take measurements and see how it would fit your model!
Chances are if you did a valve job on the techumseh engine it would have plenty of power, many of those engines actually came brand new needing the valve clearance adjusted, IV done dozens of them and they always start and run much better.
Thanks for sharing
Snowblower engines have a "stove" to heat the air going into the Carburetor. It captures muffler surface heat and/or engine block heat. There is shrouding not found on an all purpose engine. The engine must be able to reach and maintain its design temperature so that components expand/contract to specs. Removing the filter is fine.
Engines have a power curve which typically peaks in the 2800 to 3200 rpm range. Unless you have a "need for speed" operating in this range is best.
Yes .. The Snow King motor have the "heat box " around the carb ,a must in the cold & snow dust conditions .Also the heat box works with the jetting & air intake so the motor does not "lean out " in the cold air that is why most Snow King's run the best in the colder weather , the colder the better .. anything over say 30 F they will not run the best because of them running richer. A proper dialed in Snow King is a very good motor , the key is you MUST check the oil EVERYTIME you use it ..period .. the oil sling in the crankcase is not the best design for low oil conditions in the crankcase you must maintain the correct level on the oil dip stick . If not .. you will throw the piston rod .. most of the time the rod goes through the block right behind the starter. The oil level is like the Ocean ... you cannot turn your back on it .. lol ! Keep a eye on the oil ! Otherwise nothing beats it in the cold & snow . That motor was made just for that ..just for a snowblower. You do not want anytype of airfilter system on a snowblower. If you follow the proper procedure starting a Snow King they too will start on the first pull everytime.
Thanks for sharing Edwin! 👍
@@danclancy6535 more good information! Thanks for sharing!
@@GarageGear that being said , your new motor would do good in above freezing temperatures with warmer air & no snowdust and not run as rich in the warmer air. I am in Syracuse NY .. Love your channel.
@@danclancy6535 The poor oil sling design on my 1972 Ariens blower cost me an engine. It couldn't handle along-the-contour slopes.
Thanks for bringing up the jetting issue. While cold dense air is good in some respects giving you better combustion it can also be your enemy as Dan points out. If someone has info on jet differences between mowers and blowers that would be interesting.
Nice price. Great customizing on the chute crank. Nothing beats first pull fire up!
Keep all this up and you’re going to need a bigger garage!😁
At times this garage is filling up beyond capacity lol! Definitely an awesome price for that engine! And the first pull rocks! What’s going on in your garage lately js?
@@GarageGear plans for next weekend include storage prep for the snowblower and shovel. Then we get to ready the mowers for the green season. That includes oil+filter change, air filter and fresh plugs, tire air pressure check for the JD rider. Then we check the EGO mower blades and run a cycle deplete/recharge the 7.5 ah battery. Fun fun 🤩 I’m looking forward to the spring season to get here already. I’m done with all the ice we’ve had lately.
@@js12278 awesome my friend! Sounds like you have a fun list ahead of you! I’m excited for the green season as well!
At 11:53 you claim that the auger and impeller are running faster out of the box with the predator engine. But looking at the tecumseh on the left it seems that the impeller is moving much faster. Can you verify? Also wasn’t that Ariens an 8 hp opposed to 6.5? Thinking about doing the swap but from the videos it looks like the impeller is now slower.
Hey I responded to the email you sent! 👍
Nice job....almost looks like this one throws farther than your newer Ariens machine.....BTW....still no snow here in Western Maryland :'(
Thanks Louie! It’s pretty comparable! And that was on low belt tension. How do you still have no snow? That’s wild! You could always buy a ton of ice from the grocery store and give it a go! Lol
@@GarageGear it's just my luck I guess...owning TWO snow blowers is probably why....If I didn't have one....It would snow a lot.
@@f62darkstar very true! 👍
My dad insists on running old 60s chain driven blowers. He has the 212 on both and is love. Edit: Craftsman blowers
Solid blowers! Bet they throw great! Thanks for sharing!
I have one of those old chain drives. It does not throw snow for crap and it clogs in wet snow worse than a newer belt rotary design. I only use it as a back up machine. I thought about putting the rubber on the paddle mod to see if that would make it work better.
@@tommak6516 there have certainly been a lot of improvements made over the past 70 years but my dad loves those old machines!
@@chrisE815 Here is a tidbit which may help someday. The bushings on each side of the paddle impeller wore out on mine. None of the repair shops had parts diagram/part no. or could figure out the part (machine too old). Could not find part by looking up model of snowblower on internet either (too old?). So I got bushings off internet from general bushing supplier just matching dimensions off the old ones (what was left of them as old ones very deteriorated). Anyway, if I had not found these parts the machine would have been scrap. Sorry, it has been awhile and I do not know what the website was where I found them.
Good video I just wouldn't have used antiseize on the pulley. It removes the friction that they are designed to have to help secure the pulley.
Thanks for sharing and watching james
You said you were going to get an old ariens! That thing is in good shape. I've noticed HF is getting a bit snotty with their prices. Nice loop hole. I wish their vertical shaft engines were cheaper.
Inflation results in higher prices for all across the board.
@@js12278 This has been happening with HF for the last few years. Not due to the resent inflation. An HF cordless drill is not a Milwaukee but HF thinks they should be priced similarly.
@@jth877 yea their prices have gone up on a lot of items. They used to be the place for deals but nowadays I dunno! I like their hand tools and their return policy is really good. Keep an eye out for those loop holes! 😉
Don't tell Honda and I brought one of these Predators engines home in a Honda Element. 😂 I put it on a Toro 521 snowblower. Even at $149 it's still cheaper than buying a new snowblower. I got the Toro for free.
Haha I won’t say a word lol! That’s awesome! Love getting free equipment! Thanks for watching Robert!
I've seen a few comments in this series about how the predator engines handle cold weather. I'm thinking about picking up one of these old ariens and doing what you have when the engine wears out. I live in West Michigan and I think you're in buffalo so we have very similar climates. Do you find that the predators have trouble in the under freezing temps and if so have you done any carb work to rectify that?
Right out of the box no issues Andy! Mine has been working great as is so far. If any thing comes up I will most likely do a video on it anyways! Thanks for watching!
@@GarageGear good to know. Thanks for giving me the boldness to pick up a used snow blower!
@@andye9026 ROCK ON BROTHER! Those predators really make these things TANKS! And for the price you can’t go wrong.👍
I did this swap and had trouble in -10 and below temps. Found a guy on ebay that makes adjustable jets for these/honda. I popped that in and you can turn the rich/lean to where it needs to be depending on the temp. I also found that if you cut a hole in the heat shield of the exaust and out a 1"pipe from that into the air box it helps keep it running right. Put mine on a 26"toro. Had to get a 7/8" sleeve for the pulley, other than that it was plug and play.
@@chadcarpenterred thanks for sharing this Chad!
I kind of wish I knew how to do that with the old craftsman snowblower my parents had for 30 something years .. I know nothing about putting new engines on them
Hey Ryan can’t be much different than what I did! Thanks for watching!
@@GarageGear welcome we sold it this year for $100 as it sat ..
@@Neonbiker ah got it. We’ll now you know. Thanks again for watching!
Unfortunately I don't have the part numbers, but since that's a Honda clone, some clever people have hunted down the Honda winter air box and the Honda winter shields for the linkages, for those interested in looking into that.
I have see these parts as well! If you happen to come across part numbers please let me know! Thanks I337!
I’ve got a mid 90s MTS with a 5hp tecumseh that has about had it. Is it worth doing this swap or just finding a whole new machine?
You’re gonna pay a fortune for a new machine nowadays. If you like your old frame slap a new engine on it!
@@GarageGear I just went out and looked to be sure, I’ve got the single crank tecumseh so this should be a strait swap. The frame is rough around the edges but solid, so I’m planning for an engine, thank you! 😁👍
@@georgesteffens7489 if it’s straight forward go for it.
Enjoy watching your videos. But I've got a question about my Toro Power Max 828 LXE. How do you split the bucket from the engine ?
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That’s a good question. Not exactly sure! I’d have to see it up close. Should be some bolts on the side. If you want to email me some pics my email is in the description.
@@GarageGear, if you can tell me how to do it, I'll send you several pictures.
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Thanks, I'm a phone / computer idiot.
@@whocares0692 if you have someone nearby that can help you that would be good. It should be as straightforward as opening a new email and attaching the photos.
The original Tecumseh Sno King engine was a “Chiropractor Special”. You would throw your back out trying to get it started. I finally resorted to removing the spark plug and putting a little bit of gas right in the cylinder before I pull started it. If you have Tecumseh Sno King, get electric start. Your back will thank you!
That’s a great idea to help it get started! Thanks for sharing!
Can't say I agree there. Some perhaps. But I have 2 of these old h70 Tecumseh on late 60s ariens and both start with a few pulls year after year. Perhaps carb work is needed? I like these older h70 Tecumseh more compared to the newer ones that have snow king printed on them with the larger pull start.
@@meegstomtom thanks for sharing Meegs! That engine couldn’t even be pulled though! I actually lifted the whole blower up trying to pull it! The electric start worked but I need the pull cord if I’m far from my house!
@@GarageGear was referring to the op and them removing the spark plug to add fule to start it. Lol but no matter what. Any engine can fail.
These new ones sure do start nice for sure though.
@@meegstomtom ah got it! They sure do! I’ve seen some engines fail after two uses lol!
I have that same identical snow blower! And that tecumsea engine is wearing my tools out! And my patience! Harbor freight here i come!
Can’t go wrong with this swap!
Great video! We turn 5k plus rpm on our stock Hemi predators on our kart.
Thanks for sharing mudmonster
Why snowblower engines need warm air to the carburetor. The colder the air the denser the air which gives you a lean mixture. This can cause too high temperatures on the piston. You need the evaporation of the fuel to help keep the top of the piston from burning through. You need a specific ratio by weight of air to fuel for proper combustion. Air temperature can affect that as well as elevation. Power decreases by 3.5% for each 1000 ft of elevation requiring jet changes in the carb. Cold air also affects fuel atomization. The fuel must be turned into small droplets by the carb for proper combustion and timing. In cold air the droplets get too big causing delayed combustion and reduced power. In extreme cases it can wash the cylinder walls of oil. In some carbs you can get icing in the venturi where velocity of the air is increased and pressure is reduced. The lower pressure cases the water vapor in the air to freeze at a higher temperature.
To give the proper fuel air mixture the size of the carb opening which determines the air mass is matched with a small hole "jet" where the fuel is mixed with the air. To adjust for air temperature and altitude you can change the jet size to obtain the proper air/fuel mixture.
Thanks for explaining this in great detail Edwin! 👍
That’s a good engine for the price do you think it would fit on a toro 38064, 6 hp Tecumseh engine is what I have now. Built in 1999.
I would imagine so. If it’s a single driveshaft engine then this should be a direct swap! Thanks for watching my friend!
@@GarageGear single it is driveshaft. Two pulleys under cover where the belts are.
@@johnhouli3450 sorry I’m confused are there two separate spinning pulleys or two pulleys on one driveshaft?
I was lucky, I found a brand new Tecumseh 11hp 358cc about 8 years ago sitting on a shelf in a small engine shop, it was a leftover from 2008. I put that on my older blower that had an 8hp on it, my blower throws snow 30 feet and never bogs. I looked at newer machines but they are not built the same, too many cables and plastic parts, everything is built cheap now unless you spend 3k or more.
New machines are so cheaply made it’s sickening! Thanks for sharing David!
Ditto on the older engines. Even the old 8hp version of this Techumseh was impressive. Always tackled the biggest snow banks and sounded great when loaded up.
Its a mid 80's craftsman (Noma/Murray) blower with a 27 inch cut. It was gray but I sandblasted it and painted it black. The 8hp only had trouble in very deep snow or wet snow, with the 11hp it can blow deep snow fast and it never runs out of power. I can still get parts for it easily.
If I remember correctly, weren’t you replacing an 8HP Tecumseh? The 212cc, translates to 6.5 HP. My Tecumseh 8HP bogs down in the snow. I re-adjusted the belt tensioner, but it doesn’t throw snow more than 4 or 5 feet. I ordered an impeller kit, should be here today. Maybe that old engine has seen better days?
Hey Sam, the engine I have is a 7HP! These snowblowers had 4hp, 5hp and 7HP engines installed on them originally. 6.5hp is plenty for these guys. Is the carb clean on yours?
@@GarageGear yeah, pretty clean. I used my snowblower this morning. It worked, but certainly could have been better. I actually enjoy working on this old relic. The fact that it works at all, is amazing! Mine is originally an 8HP, would that be too much of a downsize, going with the Predator?
@@shadowghst7704 shouldn’t be an issue. What size is the blower? I’ve seen guys pop these on 32” wide blowers!
@@GarageGear 28”, 3 stage..it’s pretty cool..
@@GarageGear 28”, dual augers (Drift Breaker), 4 blade impeller. Impeller kit arrived today.
There's another one for sale in Rochester. Watching to see how yours goes!
Get it! You won’t be disappointed!!!
Awesome work. I wonder how hard it would be to put an electric start kit on the Predator.
Great question marathoner! I’m not exactly sure but obey there is a way! Thanks for watching as always!
Im not surprised JB has a bunch of 10mm sockets while we have none. 😂
Hahaha I think I have 3 lol! Still a crazy number compared to the average diyer! Lol
This trilogy of videos was outstanding. Couldn't wait for this video to drop. Keep up the great work!
Thanks Eric! I appreciate the positive feedback! I have a few more videos coming out on this before winter wraps up! Stay tuned!
What do I do if my Ariens Tecumseh engine (HS50) has 2 pulleys on the engine and one is rotating counterclockwise?
Hey dico! You’re in a bit of a tough spot. I had a similar situation before. I was told you could. Go the back/ bottom of the snowblower and flip the drive controls from on side to the other and that could solve your issue but then again I haven’t seen this work on all models. There are a few videos on TH-cam about this. This is a very difficult mod with two pulleys. Thanks for watching
@@GarageGear Thanks for the suggestion I was thinking of the same idea.
Can you post those vid links? I can't seem to find them 😂
Mr. Gear, First I must say your videos are great quality, staging, filming, dialogue, sound. Do you do a lot of editing? What video equipment do you use? Second, putting the allen lock screen on the key? Whattttt???? come on now !!!! , Third, ethanol free gas not at gas stations around here, and I am not about to buy it in cans. Fourth, why not blow the snow right off the grass instead of shoveling it on the driveway??? That seems very WACKY.
Hey Tom! I use a go pro 7 camera and a deity microphone. You can search ethanol free near me and see if any gas is Available near you. I suppose I could blow the snow from the lawn to the driveway but I don’t want to ruin my lawn with the machine! Thanks for watching!
Impressive. It would be too much power for the tight confines of my neighborhood.
Haha I hear what you are saying! Friend of mine did this and took out his neighbor’s window. Thanks for watching
Would a predator engine fit on an MTD 22inch snow thrower? The original engine on this snow thrower was a tecumseh 5hp engine.
If it’s got two pulleys then it won’t. Thanks for watching.
Found one of these snowblowers for $100, great gift to somebody who’s willing to give some TLC and a lot of WD-40 to it.
They are bargains for sure! These machines are absolute animals! Thanks for watching!
Great video, thanks for shearing.
Thanks Kjell! Working on Any projects in your garage this week?
I get snowblowers cheap and fix them up, and than selll them, it is a kind of my hobby, a little bit of grease and paint and New auger elt they become good AS new
@@kjell-richardlvdal373 awesome my friend! I do that quite often myself! 👍 great extra spending money!
The new engine looks great on there. 👍👍
You should see it with an impeller kit on it too! That video comes out this weekend!
My John Deere snowblower has a 8 horse Tecumsah motor. Do you think a 212 predator would replace it? 26” auger. Thanks.
Absolutely it will! You’ll have a whole new machine on your hands! 👍
I really enjoyed this one, I may have missed it in the video but are you keeping this one for yourself or selling it?
Hey bad dad! This is one is a keeper! Too cool to sell! Just put new tires on it this week too! This thing is an animal! 👍 not going nowhere! Thanks for watching
Genuinely curious: why no air filter???? It would have zero downside as far as I can see.
Hey Delta, an air filter in the cold winter could collect moisture and freeze. And on a small scale this it could harm your small engine choking it of air. Many pros recommend taking it out. Thanks for watching!
Also makes it easier to add a shot of starting fluid when there's no air filter in the way.
My gears are now backwards on my snapper any idea how to fix it swapped out old engine with a preadtor now it goes forward in reverse & backwards on forward
Hey lomi, did you have a dual pulley engine on there before?
@@GarageGear yes now a single
Unbelievable that puppy started on the first pull! Great swap, thankz for sharing .
I know right? I was blown away! These things run great! Thanks for watching Mike!
"the neighbors at it again with the crazy snowblower, he re snowed his driveway hunnie"
Hahaha my driveway is a snowblower testing center lol! Thanks for watching duck!
I bet you could add a throttle control lever on the handlebar to make throttle adjustments easier
That idea has potential! Was also thinking of adding a kill switch up by the handle bars.
New subscriber. Did you consider installing a 420cc on it?
Thanks for checking out the channel. I did think about that but there were too many variables. This one was direct fit.
Can i put a predator engine on a 1976, 20” Ariens snow thro?
You should be able to just make sure it’s not a dual pulley engine on the old tecumseh engine
Great video I’m going to do this. Thank you
Amazing engine replacement! What a beautiful option,thank u!
No complaints on my end either! That engine runs great! Thanks for watching!
How did you connect the drive pulley?
There’s only one pulley on this engine. It controls both the auger and drive system. Only need one belt on this blower. Thanks for watching Lo!
I got my first snowblower a few weeks ago and it has been in my family for 50 years and I was going to swap the 4hp with a 212
Go for it! You won’t regret it! Thanks for watching blaster man!
Excellent. I'll keep this in mind if I decide to make an engine swap with my old Airens.
Awesome my friend! 👍
I bet your neighbioors wonder about you hauling snow into your drive when everyone else wants it out. And I am glad that orange cap matched, would be a shame to have to return it. ):
They all think I’m nuts around here Ted! Thanks for watching!
That would be my first choice if my 6 HP engine gets bad on my Toro 624 I just got for free.
Awesome my friend! Can’t go wrong with it! Just make sure you have a single pulley on your current engine. Swapping this on a dual pulley can be trickey. Thanks for watching
Hi. Is the "Рredator" chinese Loncin, Zongshen, Rato or Lifan?)))
The predator engine is made in China. Thanks for watching!
Great video. Getting ready to do the same thing on a old machine i have
Hey Brew! Hey you won’t regret it! Thanks for watching!
Another Great video JB !!
Thanks a lot John! Appreciate the positive feedback!
Awesome video, do you have the dimensions of the bolts and a part number for the belt that you used?
Hey sky, one and a half inch bolts did the trick and a 36” belt was needed for this application. You might want to buy a few different sized belts and keep the one that fits best and return the others. Thanks for watching
@@GarageGear thank you for the reply, I see this yours was a single shaft, do you know it the ariens model 922006 model is a single shaft or not? I have heard mixed things.
@@EMTP94 no problem! Just checked a parts diagram and it looks like a dual pulley model! Hope this helps!
I just bought one after this video for $50 with a predator on it there is a differential on one of the wheels looks like you were only rolling in one wheel drive
Yep I know. She’s tough to turn when the differential is locked. I’ll lock it when the snow is really bad. $50 hell of a deal. Thanks for watching!
Another great video JB!! 👍🏼
Thank a lot Billy ! Got a few more videos coming out on this beast before winter is done!
I want to do this on. My st524. But I have the dual shafts.
I heard there’s a way to do this but I’m pretty sure it’s pretty complicated. I’m going to look more into it. Thanks for watching!
Imagine if you installed a stage 4 kit on there
That would be CRAZY! Snow would probably melt because it would be melting so fast. Lol thanks for watching!
Nice job now I have to get to working on my new engine swap.
Thanks Edwin! Let me know when you take the plunge! 👍
I waited until now to install the predator 224 max performance and I can tell you it sounds a lot quieter than the 212 predator engine.
On my 2011 Ariens compact, 22
How much different is the 420 to mount on an ariens
Hey Corey, the engine mount pattern might be slightly different but I’m not sure. You’ll probably need a bigger pulley and new belt to make it fit. With any engine swap there is always a need to modify something. You’ll get an insane amount of power though! Thanks for watching!
You didn’t show where you had to line up for a new holes because the other studs I’m sure you ground them off what they hang grinder you didn’t show that
I just bought the right size bolts and bolted it to the unit. No grinding needed!
I only just saw this I have a the same model from 1968 which my dad bought new. It is on its third motor.
Motors are easy to swap on these! Thanks for sharing!