The SADNESS of the River Person (Undertale Theory + Giveaway!) | SwankyBox
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The River Person in Undertale is someone who exists in the background... A character who takes you to and fro across the Underground on your journey. But, why is there a lingering sadness? What weight does the River Person carry on their shoulders? In this Undertale theory, we take a closer look!
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SwankyBox the game is trapped in an existance with no beginning and no end where once the world. desteoyed by us it will be recycled for eternity
Clayboy 2571 Any FromSoftware game, but it's by Toby Fox
I always thought they were the Annoying Dog in a cloak, standing on a pedestal.
Cypher Caliban bark bark bark , I am the dog person
+Jacob Sefton lol XD
Cypher Caliban Really?! XD lol lol lol lol
Cypher Caliban I thought it was actually Gaster
TheNumidiumBorn lol
What if what we THINK is the River Person is actually just a puppet, and the boat is the one giving advice...
Makes sense.
It's another weird yet adorable dog, but in boat form! >♡
It would be like wind waker all over again
That would explain why the boat grows legs and runs across the water.
Tra la la...ok?...tra la la?
No how did he talk the dog boat is the puppet and hes a skeleton
SwankyBox
I agree with your theory, but I have a theory as well.
"While monsters are mostly made of magic, human beings are mostly made of water. Humans, with their physical forms, are far stronger than us."
This is written found in a book in Snowdin's Library, as well as "Love, hope, compassion... This is what people say monster SOULs are made of. But the absolute nature of "SOUL" is unknown. After all, humans have proven their SOULs don't need these things to exist."
Now, since Monsters are made mostly of Magic they turn to DUST when they die, and when a Monster grows old, they enter a state reffered to as "fallen down" before they DUST, which is almost like entering a coma if you think about it...To have "Fallen Down" leaves a Monster immobile for a short while, before their body dissipates into Dust, this is almost similar to a coma because without certain machines, your bodily functions would slowly shut down.
Now, once a Monster dies, their dust is often spread onto the owner's favorite thing in funerals, so their essence lives on in them.
This is where the River Person comes in.
What if, right before the RESETs ever started, the "River Person" as they are known, had been a Monster that had Fallen Down and died on their boat ALONE. Their Dust would have spread onto 3 things, their Cloak, the Boat they ride in, and into the River itself. Or perhaps they had died and Shyren and her Sister spread the River Person's Dust?
Now, the River Person states that they LOVE to ride in their Boat, and remember how it is stated that a Monster's Dust is SPREAD onto the owner's FAVORITE THINGS, so that their ESSENCE LIVES ON IN THEM? What if, right before the RESETs, the River Person died, and as they went on to the other side, the world RESET, forcing them back to the world they had left? What if this soon became a CONSTANT tug-of-war between their SOUL (or EXISTANCE) and REALITY itself? Causing them, to SEE, to LEARN things they shouldn't? Eventually, they could've learned how to come back in a way, but be bound to the River...and with all they had learned, they could've forgotten who they were before...what they were; or what they saw, could of possibly forced them to forget, only leaving them with flashes of who they were before, and what they had learned while they were pulled in between realities.
What do you think? I would love to hear what your opinion on my theory is...Thanks! ^_^
It's very possible! That's a pretty interesting approach to the topic that I didn't think of. Something interesting to note is that people often spread ashes over rivers and oceans when someone is cremated in real life, as a way of restoring them to nature. Going back to the dust thing though, it makes me wonder how long this character's essence has existed at this location then. Are they extremely old? Is this where all the memories and knowledge stem from? Maybe the River Person stating "the river is dry today" could simply be them recalling a memory of when it was dry.
Farfetched a bit, but it is definitely an interesting concept. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
SwankyBox
Thank you for responding and sharing your ideas on it! You have no idea how happy you've made me! 😁
PERSEVERE!💜
Rebecca Boyer Whoa, I understand how hard u worked to make that gigantic paragraph, so imma write a short paragraph about my opinion on it.
Wow, this theory is amazing! There's only a problem.. How could a reset happen right when he died? And how would you think that could happen, the part at the end? Or am I wrong? You might have some parts to clarify, I don't understand all of it perfectly.. anyway, it's still good. It's pretty reasonable. Therefore, I actually enjoy this theory, unlike a lot of other theories. Good job.
That's the end of the review
Rebecca Boyer that's a better theory
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* "Tra la la. The Angel Is Coming."
* O_O
Chara Dreemurr you the demon will get soooooooo freaked up
Chara: huh
* "Uh...
He means the angel in the deltarune is coming to save them
@@johnattincan4190 r/woooosh
I love the riverperson. Sometimes I feel like them (riverwoman, in my case): Lost, wandering, watching the stars and hearing wonders from the flowers. But still I keep singing, tra la la.
You rock, Swanky 💖
.....poetic
tra la la
the water is very wet today
+Yessica Sosa SAMEEE
Tra la la...
Eat a mushroom everyday. Why? Then I know you're listening to me...
Same. Also something the river person CAN say, not will. Tra la la. Beware the man who speaks in hands.
The thing that really got my attention was that the river person is never afraid of the player on the genocide run. You've killed dozens of people, but they still let you ride with them on the boat.
Man is a true madlad
Same as Gerson., Temmie or shopkeeper in hotel
I just realised the boat is a wooden dog.
Never Nova I totally thought it was a cat all this time.
Same
Sinister Sweet I’m 99% sure you’re joking, but I think the original commenter meant that they thought the boat was a regular boat. But in fairly sure your comment was a joke.
It’s a starfish obviously
Never Nova Rlly?
I like to think that they are a Fallen Human who lost their SOUL .
Adding on to this, I think that Gaster had something to do with that since the River Person warns you of him. I think that, as part of his experiments to break the barrier trapping the Monsters underground, he ripped their soul out of their body to study it (and eventually turn it over to Asgore.)
What remained was a still functioning, conscious human body with Determination still left inside it, that faded into the background to begin life anew as an NPC. But they still remember the black void of the Royal Scientist's eyes, and the scream he made when he fell into oblivion.
Rue English in a comic dub the river woman was a bunny mixed and stiched with other souls
Me to
I think the opposite of this, they are a human soul that lost their body. I think they use their soul to processed the thing they wearing.
The reason why their free and not in asgores castle is either the soul was stolen than whoever stole them decided to let them out of the jar near the river and the soul decided to help everyone cross the river
Or, the human that the soul belonged to fell in the river and drown. When they drown they decided to help everyone cross the river so nobody else would drown.
I they would probably be the first the 1st human to fall after charas death or the human to fall before frisk. For their soul,, They are probably either kindness(they decided to help others cross the river), justice (making sure nobody else dies,) determination (they determined to make sure nobody else die. But this soul is less unlikely than kindness or justice) or a new soul we haven't seen before
There is one other person that can see the current day of the week. Papyrus during his date with the protagonist. Makes me wonder.
No. Just.. No please don't.
But there is a secret boss that only appears in an specific day and month
@@pedravoadora2230 That's 'so sorry', he is an armadillo-like monster that likes art, he is a shy but kind monster
The riverperson wears the same cloak as when we first see Ralsei / Asriel.... Coincidence? I think not!
HE'S A DARKENER?
@@kl1934 Or Ralsei himself. Why not ?
Maybe he was abandonned by Toriel and Asgore for obscure reason. Even though that'd be weird..
Yeah honestly when I saw Deltarune for the first time I thought that (Ralsie) was the river person in a different multiverse, Maybe they still are....
RALSEI IS THE RIVER PERSON IN DELTARUNE!!
I think that from their perspective STATS and timeline manipulation are the physics and biological facts of the universe, I doubt anyone in their world thinks it is just a game or even a simulation, just like how we think it is normal for space time to be bent by gravity, particles to exist and not exist in multiple places at the same time or your mind to be lost forever after death.
What about execution points?
@@KupiecKorzenny_EmhyrVarEmreis Sans explains them as an actual scientifically measurable fact, he doesn't say "this is a video game" he describes it like a doctor would your heart rate or anything else detectable.
This video is making me contemplate my existence
Same
Same
Hence why i became...much like Sans and Riverperson
It got deep
Life is a video game...=100% confirmed
We're all missing the obvious connection. Tra la la. Who else uses this phrase? That's right. Captain Underpants. Case closed.
StitchToPatch lol undertale was made before the captain underpants movie was made
Captain underpants Books.
I LITERALLY THOUGHT THAT JIST NOW
Gotten
XxRayja The magexX books. Just books.
Have you ever explored how Papyrus knows about characters like these when most others don’t? It seems pretty interesting. I mean, Papyrus formed a Flowey fan club, and asked about the snowman and the river person. It makes me wonder how he knows about these people, even though nobody else does. He seems to at least think he’s friends with Flowey, which is pretty odd, considering the fact that pretty much nobody other than the player and Toriel interact with Flowey.
Because Papyrus is the easiest to manipulate
That may sounds very dark but Flowey would agree
Sans also knows everything about everyone except he hides it and isn't innocent
“Several million more pairs of pants” could suggest they’re one of those characters that exist across all playthroughs and are aware of it like sans and flowie.
Essentially, he needs a pair of pants for every time this game has been played through by someone.
River Person is my favorite character. X3
Here's my theory: The way how River Person knows about all this stuff is maybe because the River Person was in the war against humans and monsters. After the war the River Person got badly injured and the scars left wouldn't heal so the River Person put a piece of cloak around them. Later on maybe Asgore felt bad for the River Person and wanted to help. So Asgore made them the transport of the Underground. Since being the transport didn't involve a lot of moving then River Persons wounds wouldn't damage the soul. Maybe The River Person warns you about Gaster because River Person was in the underground when Gaster wasn't shattered across time and space. Gaster might of used River Person for experiments and that's why River Person warn us about Gaster so we wouldn't end up in a situation like River person did. River Person was maybe the formal captain of the royal guard before Undyne. Later when River Person got horribly injured Asgorre thought about hiring a new captain which was later on Undyne. The way I think the boat moves is that the boat can't turn.
But hey that's just a theory.
A GAME THEORY
that's alot for a temmie to say!
Temmie Plays . . .
**FBI OPEN UP**
Wait hang on... tra la la...
Oh my lord-
THE RIVER PERSON IS CAPTIAN UNDERPANTS!
Really...
Hey swanky might I suggest doing a collab with underlab the next time you do a undertale theory? Just something to consider and a suggestion from me.
Yes, I agree! Great idea
Those two. YES
OMG GOOD IDEA
Y E S!
First, it was Flowey, the remainings of the sad little prince of the Underground who suffered a terrible fate. We couldn't do anything but feel bad for him, despite his bad actions.
Then, it was Chara, the demonic genderless child who scared most of us to death. But then, we learn what their true motives were and that they had good intentions. We couldn't do anthing but feel bad for them...
After that, W.D. Gaster popped up, the former royal scientist who not only suffer a horrible death, but was also erased from existence. His story was truly sadder than Flowey's and Chara's...
And now, we have the River Person... :(
This game truly gets deeper and deeper. What's next, you're gonna tell me that Papyrus knows what I ate 5 years, 47 days, 6 hours, 7 minutes and 42 seconds ago?
The Undermaniac Food?
LMAO
Papyrus: EASY! YOU ATE AIR!
SPAGHETTI
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised
Could the River Person perhaps be older than all the other meta characters within the time loop?
By older, I mean that they could have probably experienced infinitely more time loops within the game world than all the other characters that also know that they are in a game?
Idk he's a Gaster for me so he's basically just a Sans v2
I'm glad you did another undertale theory, I always love your theory's!
What if during genocide everybody was hiding in true lab and the monsters you were killing were robots with mics
Spahget then how would you level up if you didn't kill something with a soul?
well according to sans its level of violence and your still getting more violent
But undyne melts so no
The worst fate in Genocide is the Amalgamates because they have to see their own world deleted by Chara.
Then Mettaton happened.
*sans is selling tickets made out of toilet paper*
Leaving games be behind makes you upset with yourself you don't want to let go but you do at the same time it's so confusing and I know I will never Stop Loving undertale I'm drawn to it like a magnet and it will just be so upsetting to let go another again this game was different to others it's hard to explain but I think I will love it for the rest of my life❤💙💚💛💜
I would agree with this theory. But I'm also curious about one thing. When the river person said I am the river man, or am I the river women? It really doesn't matter. Maybe this could be a reference to frisk's gender, as it really doesn't matter. What do u guys think?
my God think dog backwards is god and the dog is a god
oooooooohhhhhhhhh my doooooooog
DOGGY NOOOOOOO
Isaiah Felix XD
@@primtenda7705 DOGGY YES!
After playing Deltarune and Toby saying that he started out with the idea of Deltarune before Undertale, I got the idea that maybe the river person is the game-master. They help you along, drop hints, gets you where you need to go and isn't really interacting with the game world, except you to help the story along.
Why does Ralsie from Deltarune in the cloak at the beginning look like a young River Person?
well THIS just summarized my entire existence
I feel like river person is sans and papyrus mom
_-same.-_
AFAC. Just... Afac...
How do you give birth to a skeleton
Vince mmmmmagic
Afac
The river person may make us sad, but you, you make us so happy beyond words that can define it. I love your channels and I love the content. You're so personable and thorough with everything, it's such a joy to watch. Congratulations on 100 videos!
I see a new video from Swanky, plus it's an Undertale mystery on top of that, I click as fast as I can. :) Thanks for covering this topic of the Riverman. :) Keep up the fun, man, and congrats on the 100 vids. :) God bless yours and you! :)
ok this video just made me rethink everything about undertale
I wish there would be Undertale 2
Where you can live in the surface trying to help humans and monster get along (which is like a pacifist run)
Or keep reseting the world over and over (which is like the genocide run)
blue luna The trouble with that is that it creates a Canon ending to "Undertale." I'd be happier with a prequel or a series of event DLC that could take place in multiple places in the timeline.
Maybe they are working on undertale 2
I've come from the future. And toby is planning to make a game that is and isn't quite similar to undertale
the river person is one of my favorite characters in the game!! they actually remind me of an old D&D character i made who was very "air headed" and said nonsensical things like this person does. there's a lightheartedness to the river person for me because of that but i also definitely feel a lot of sadness and loneliness coming from them as well. i think there's a lot more to this character than what we may ever see or figure out
so if the river person is genderless... then are they.....
A GIRAFFE???!!!
WHAT ?
Angel Gaming I GOT UR REFERENCE
OMG IT FEELS GOOD TO GET THE REFERENCE
They're a Crystal gem, Or a gem.
....
....
....
....
Im sorry, Only people from Steven Universe will get that.
Angel Gaming does this make me a giraffe too?
My theory is that the river man is an other worldly being and is even older that asgore and gerson and Toriel
Maybe, who knows
The Riverman is
Genderless
Speaks Similar like Frisk but with Riddles
And knows about Gaster
And is the ONLY monster that has "man" in their name
He's a fucking human that's hiding from asgore
tra la la
I am the riverman,
or am I the riverwoman?
it doesn't really matter.
oh, my BLOODY AMALGAMATES
I watched a lot of theories of Undertale, but this, this is the most original Theory, the Theory that almost no one was expecting, keep up the good work!
I always thought (at least after I learned about the "Beware of the man who speaks in hands") they had a connection to Gaster in the past, maybe as a collegue or work partner, or even a lover. Judging by how they refer to Gaster though, they probably had a falling out before the scientist disappeared.
One time I play undertale all the week and the river person said me all the days of the week
And in my first run the river person gave my the life
wut?
@@LucasMiddleNameandLastname22 basically the riverman tells the specific day.
like monday tuesday wednesday...
@@idkanymore6176 oh, ok.
Creepy
Now that Deltarune is out and everything I noticed that when he was playing the different things the river person said but one of them was the “The angel is coming.” And in Deltarune the so called villain or whatever they are is called The Angel.(Honestly I’m the wrong person to comment this considering that I’m tired and can’t really remember this stuff)
Great theory! I've always questioned the river person. You mentioned the river person knowing it's Monday when it actually was in real life, but only Monday. I've actually played UT on a Thursday and they said something on the lines of, "Somewhere, it's Thursday" so it can't always be Monday.
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well i think the river person is gaster because if you look at gaster and then the riverman it kinda lines up in a way.
(Somewhere it's Thursday) it's Sunday.
Just wanted to say that I love your videos so much, and have a great rest of your day.
I started thinking this through while thinking up on the character for a fanfiction story, and I came to a similar conclusion. S/He knows. especially the part about the loop.
Riverperson fascinates me really, I consider them a bit of a missing link, and definitely feels like they know more than most. Probably more than Flowey and Sans, who seem to sense things and carry those perceptions into a theoretical level (Gaster and [chara] are difficult to gauge). But I don't know if sadness is the feel I get from them. It's something else... like I said, a sort of missing link there.
what happened to onion san *and* river person after genocide?
Ralsei is the riverperson
İrem Lindemann I came to see if anyone thought that, lol
River person is my third favorite character, and I’m so glad to have an entire video dedicated to them!
I love this theory not because of what you said but because someone finally acknowledged the riverperson . For some reason the riverperson is my second favorite character in undertale (first is sans)
When I hear song of the sea
I think of under the sea from the little mermaid xD
i just think of how the “ocean” that people hear when you put a seashell up to your ear is actually just your bloodflow.
The River Person is Ness sar had to do it lol
Exeat think about it the river person stays on the edge of the water and is always on the boat with this evidence the river person is most definitely
MOANA!
I love your Undertale theorys!
I don't mean to nit-pick the video, however sans references the snowman at the end of a neutral run, where if the snowman piece is carried throughout the game to the ending, sans calls stating that the character "made a snowman very happy today"
Now with Deltarune, I believe that Riverman is Ralsei. Together with Papyrus and Sans, they scaped from that world somehow.
He kind of sounds like Valarie. He literally says he's in a game and that nothing really matters.
Something like gaster's notes also mentions shyren as an interesting study prospect. Considering that the river person has potentially two quips that reference gaster (though "beware the man that speaks in hands may just be referencing handhead "lady") shyren must tie into this more.
I think the boat man is a Charon, a mythological creature that guides the souls of the dead using a boat, they even look similar, it’s also known as the ferryman of death
Not to mention they look just like Ralsei wearing a cloak
They kinda do
Sandess Is gaster
Giacobbe Gallo sands?
leaving a game and finishing an anime is like saying goodbye to a pet or a friend or even a family member
i would cry and then smile and think about the good times i played on it and arhghhg im so emotional
Amazing video and theory!
What if the river man is an older ralsei? Just being stupid here but they do have the same cloak..
The river person is loading screen tips personified.
now that it's been 5 years, and I must say this now as the frame of time will pass before I know it
now that we've had 5 years of undertale, the game has been around for an entire 3rd of my life.
This game always hits me with the feels.
So how about so sorry and setting in the clock?
Annoying dog on stilts in a cloak.
exactly
My absolute favorite NPC in the game. So obsessed with them that I actually went to my first convention cosplayed as them.
oh funny thing about the river person
first line I get from them when taking the boat to snowdin
"beware the man who speaks in hands"
this also happened on the same playthrough that chucked the wrong number song at me
this is ALSO my first and so far only _full_ playthrough.
the river person looks so much like ralsei from delta rune
0:16 - 0:18
Oh God please no. no. No. NOOOOOOOO
I can image the river person in the backround of shyren fight, eating popcorn and watching the commotion
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Hmmmm maybe gaster is the river man he or it say something about gaster could it be!?!?!
He's faster ( megatale reference) I believe dat
*gaster
I think the River Person is also Toby Fox. It could be dog underneath that cloak which could explain the dog boat. also if it is Toby then he can trenscend anything in the game (be here there and everywhere so they are not always trapped on the boat and reason they know so many tips. Helping the protag so they can further advance not just in the game's story but locations too, because no one wants to see a protag succeed more in a game than the creator).
i know another sentence from the riverperson that refers to W.D Gaster:
"Beware the man who came from the other world"
so creepy -~-
its Ralsei
I always thought it was Ralsei
One thing,
After the pacifist ending, it seems as if the river person is unaware that they're free. I mean when I just rode their boat to waterfall to say goodbye to everyone, suddenly they say something like beware it's Thursday or something I just forgot the exact dialogue.
Basically I played it on a Thursday and they said that.
So I contemplate if they really are aware of our time and unaware of their surroundings.
(Sorry when I explain things it's hard to understand.)
Actually the stats are physical things in the game they are not mechanics so CHARA would not know about UNDERTALE being a game just the universe they exist in so the only ones that might know are GASTER , sans ( unlikely) and the ANNOYING DOG
Before you were talking about the river styx, I was just thinking about that
The hooded figure at shyren and frisk’s concert is indeedly most likely river person because 1one of their quotes / phrases is “ hum hum hum hum , I’m having a little concert”
The secret boss so sorry is a reference to irl time because it has to be a certain time irl for him to appear
Gaster, Chara, and Flowey know that they are in a game, but where weren't able to figure out the actual mechanics of their Existence. All three tried to hopefully get as powerful as they possibly could to hopefully break both their Jail, and their Purposes, but only one of the three I menshioned actually broke it successfully, only to realize that even though they broke the Vary fabric of existence itself they still couldn't escape from the game. Gaster Failed in trying to gain enuff power to break the game that he lives in, but what he did do was go beyond where he was supposed to be in the game files while disbursing himself throughout the games Code. Essentially making himself a glitch, an unused peice of Code that can't do anything, except look inward on the world while he realizes that no matter what we do we'll all be trapped for all eternity, if not delete entirely. We all hear that Gaster fell into his creation which led him to a place called "The Void". But what if I told you that "The Void" is nothing more then all of the loose bits of Code the Undertale doesn't use. What if I told you that the River person's Farey boat along with the river it's on is the between of the Overworld, and all of those loose bits of Code including Gaster. What if I told you that both Sans & Paparus aren't even natural parts of Undertale, but that they are Viruses. I mean both Sans & Paparus are shown to know that Time-Travel / Teleportation exist in Undertale. We see the "Annoying Dog" stop Paparus from using his most powerful attack, by stealing it as if he's stoping something that normally characters shouldn't be able to do. The "Annoying Dog" does the same thing when the player is trying to get an Item they shouldn't get.
honestly this is good I only get evidence from comics like one of them had the river woman as a mutated bunny that had been combined with other mosters she said w.d faster did it.
Wow.. I might just have a new addition to my list of favorite characters.
" because she is a shy siren "
how did i not know that
Well now I do feel sad.
There are so many characters who suffer from low self esteem in this game, makes you really think about the creators.
And honestly when I saw Deltarune for the first time I thought that (Ralsie) was the river person in a different multiverse, Maybe they still are....
Riverperson being temmie and annoying dog kinda make sense actually, since both of them were based on actual person in real life that make them knew what's going on the real life and also know about the whole game secret.
I always thought that the River Person was a human in disguise that could save and reset, which explains why they have the power of foresight l.
If i had the ability to enter in video games and do whatever i want (in the way that it would be like "real life" and not just "already programmed" things), i think i would spent quite a time with the River Person, i befriended the whole underground, one more costs nothing, right?
The song that came from the sea is mentioned by Onion Chan in Deltarune Chapter 2
after around 4 years or 5 we know what the song from the sea means well atleast i think its from deltarune since onion san says he hears a song from the sea at night
Whatever I felt bad for a game character sitting there forever I always pictured Them doing stuff while I was gone. Just cuz it's the job when I'm on screen doesn't mean they can't have fun while I'm gone.
How is this the only video I found analyzing the river persons quotes even after deltarune chapters 1 and 2?
I wonder if the river person is connected to the signs put in hot lands with the secret path to the "Art Club" because those signs talk about real world time. Or just the time on the computer