@@릴카릴카 It's based off the meta, very rarely will games ever result in a level 6 DK, even if they do, you just pick lvl 3 Aura or lvl 1 Death Pact which both have very practical uses. This isn't the "ultimate hero, every hero at lvl 10 comparison"
What makes the Death Knight so good is not just the coil and aura, but also the fact that he has: 1. High natural movement speed 2. Very quick spell casting animation 3. Very quick turning speed (like spinning around speed) This allows him to easily evade damage and pressure with extremely high mobility, while still casting coils at full liberty. WTii himself calls this ability of the Death Knight's "The Jerk".
@@Weigazod I'm positive that you have no idea what you're saying, due to the failure of comprehending the context in this comment chain. Please consult all these comment.
crypt lord has always been my favorite. I know it's not that good of a hero, but I was happy that he didn't put him in D and than he made my day and put him in B :D thanks wtii, love your videos
I remember back then when I used to play the last mission of undead campaign the crypt lord could withstand a whole army solo and also kill Illidan so I used to just use him to defend my base against Naga. He really was a good hero.
According to your list, Orc seems to have the best balance of heroes. Depends on if you're talking ROC or TFT tho, and this is clearly a TFT list. In ROC, you can put the DH up there at GOD tier. He's such a pain in the ass. Only other changes I would make are make the Warden S tier b/c like they said she's super good but requires an ass ton of skill. Pit Lord I would move up b/c of his cleave as a support hero he's ridiculously good especially for UD (DK/Lich/Pitlord is an amazing hero combo!), Tinker belongs in S Tier b/c he's like the Warden he sucks if you aren't pro but if you're really, really good he can literally win by himself if you're good at evading the enemies army and engaging in guerilla warfare his seige is unrivaled if you can get him to lvl 9 or 10 he's amazing. Firelord is trash, Beastmaster not sure haven't played him in a while. PoTM is ok with archers but not the best good tier choice. Blood Mage sucks ass. Pally should be A Tier b/c he's an amazing support hero for human or for team games where your ally/allies are not UD, b/c he can serve as a hero heal. At lvl 10, with the devotion aura lvl 3, holy light level 3, resurrection or w/e for battles, timed well is good, and with level 3 divine shield, he will literally never die unless your a retard lol. Crypt Lord is Low Average, good Tier choice. DH was better in ROC. In TFT he's not as good but if he gets to like level 8 in a team game and you got a level 5 pally, he's unstoppable, so good tier choice. Never really use Panda so I'm not sure. Alchemist can be pretty useful at endgame when all the mines start running out with Transmute for that extra gold boost, so he's a good support hero. Dreadlord, if you have all 3 UD heroes (DK/Lich/DL) at level 5 or higher, he's OP af as a support hero, good tier choice on all those. Dark Ranger, good choice. TC can stun lock, has endurance aura I believe for faster attack, shockwave can obliterate buildings at level 3 if correctly positioned, reincarnation, so if played right, or on team games with a level 5 pally, he too is pretty damn hard to kill. I'd put him at S if you have a really good player using him, at least as support. As an initial hero, he's A. Blademaster/Far Seer/Witch Doctor, all level 5 or higher, are insanely good and I would keep them all at S, so good tier choice. Didn't know Sea witch was that good, interesting and good to know. Lich/MK good choice. KotG I've seen used first and he can be very good as either an initial or support hero, depending on your strat/matchup, so again, good choice. Now for the top 2!! Arcmage is what I always go with first as human. All 3 of his moves are amazing, and you can send an invisible unit with sorc's adept training ability and TP right into their base and I love it!! Definitely a good Tier Placement. As an UD player, the DK is unmatched. Death coil is amazing for both offense and unit healing, Unholy Aura is amazing, and even Death Pact is useful if you bring a couple ghouls and use level 3 death pact on them during a battle you can mass heal yourself. Raise dead is incredible, as you can focus down their heavy melee and cast it right away and you'll have all their heavy melee fighting for you. So yes, DK is a god. In ROC, he got me a 500-13 UD Record with match abusing and 25-3 with a normal account. Good list, man!!
As you said Dark Ranger is commonly used as a 3rd hero for Undead after DK and Lich, therefore Dreadlord who is the one not taken, should be lower on the list. Similarly Crypt Lord is rarely ever considered over the others so should be lower. Paladin, while relegated to 3rd pick, is a very consistent 3rd pick for Humans over all the neutral options therefore should be A tier for the simple fact that he's so commonly used. For the same reason most neutrals should go down in the tier list as they're rarely ever used. Even the Naga Sea Witch isn't nearly as common as most factions tend to use 3 of their 4 faction heroes and Undead consistently take the Dark Ranger over her(and their other 2 heroes). While the Naga Sea Witch is obviously still very good she can't be S tier because she isn't picked often. The other neutrals are seeing even less play than the NSW so should be B tier at best mostly C and D along with the Bloodmage and other faction heroes that rarely get picked.
@Joe Gott despite undead not being the best race on 1v1, they constantly getting beaten by orc, DK is by far the best harasing hero in the game, with still being strong at level 1 with coil steals. So i agree with you.
FrostW in chat needs to stop typing. In a realistic 1v1, most of yall arnt even good enough to survive a tower rush or a early rush. Average hero level is from 4-5. So to judge them based off their fully leveled skill is stupid. Be realistic, you generally have them at level 4 or level 3 and the game ends in 1v1. Noobs keep talking about how op or Imba a hero is because they don’t know how to play against and feed, and complain how strong it is. Also need to remind how certain units counter heroes.
That's what i basically said :D now you are telling the same and tell me i have to stop typing, open your eyes next time ;) And i disagree about units countering heroes, this should never be taken into an account, it is mostly hero vs hero and strategies.
@@fanaticpharaoh6689 Hero armor decreases incoming damage from any type, but chaos. you cant just make 1 or couple dryads, you need a hero too :) as i said you cant counter hero simply with units. @jason yum
@@wolf9354 Wrong. Hero armor takes 50% from Magic, Piercing, and Siege damage; 100% from Hero, Chaos, and Normal damage. Hero armor takes 70% damage from spells. You can find this in gameplay constants.
Trueshot Aura alone is worth A tier. +10% damage for the entire army is pretty damn good. If you manage to get 30%, its just downright busted especially since "Roar" further increases damage by another +25%. An unassuming army all of a sudden becomes quite terrifying.
suddenly elves lack ranged units for late game composition. Only archers. Dryads have minimal impact from aura as big chunk of their damage is poison and doesn't benefit from upgrades and auras. Maybe faeries vs ud, but this strat have no place for t3 potm.
I always think Death Knight, Demon Hunter, Archmage and Blademaster are the top 4 heroes and no one else get on that level imo. Demon Hunter is super hard to kill, mana burn fucks up spellcasters and other heroes, and his ultimate might be the best in the game. Death Knight yeah unholy aura and death coil is unbelievable and his synergy with Lich is unbelievable. Archmage's brilliance aura basically makes you play with the thereisnospoon cheat activated and if you put a boots of speed on him hes really hard to kill, and Blademaster one on one can probably kill any hero. Although, i havent played in a while perhaps the meta has changed. Thoughts?
I feel like he really undercut the demon hunter in this video, he didn't really sell his power and his survivability as a hero. He can do some really good disruptions especially if you can invisibility potion to the spellcasters of the enemies armies
BM can't take Mk 1on 1. He can at low levels but level 3 on, MK will win every time. That bolt hurts BM he has such low hp, and a few bashes, he can't get off like he wants to . It is rare for MK not to pick bolt versus anyone, so he is going to have it for sure.
I'll put down what I think based on my inexperience in 1v1 melee games and based on what I see in the videos I watch from wtii, grubby, funnywar, etc. Not super informed, but it's at least an honest take. Firelord is complete garbage; let's get this one out of the way first. Much like how you gave a special tier to Death Knight at the top for GOD, I genuinely think Firelord needs a tier to himself at the bottom called FAIL. Super squishy, terrible ultimate, serious mana consumption issues, and has significant trouble versus anti magic units. At least I see Beastmaster get used by NElfs and some Orcs for a T2 push, but Firelord has no place in the meta with all his strengths being eclipsed by his weaknesses and the strengths of other Tavern heroes. I think either Tinker needs to move up a tier or Pit Lord needs to move down a tier. My reasoning: they're both "pet" heroes, as in heroes that I see people pick out of favoritism. They're not bad though. Not great, but not bad and certainly better than Beastmaster or Firelord. I'm not sure if Lich deserves to be in S+ with AM, but he's close. What's deceptive about the hero from a outsider's perspective is that it seems like people only take Lich for the ranged Orb of Corruption and Frost Nova, but in practice the other two abilities, as you said, have great utility. But the real strength that most outsiders seem to gloss over on Lich? His attack speed and base damage. It's ridiculous for a ranged intelligence hero. His base attack cooldown is ~0.4 sec lower than DK's and he has higher base attack damage only beaten by Crypt Lord for UD heroes (b/c his might cannot be matched). Lich auto attacks with Orb of Corruption essentially marks units for death because if they don't die from UD units, the Lich will quickly dps them down. Finally, I saw a lot of people saying TC deserves to be higher for War Stomp and Endurance Aura, but I think TC's fine where he's at on your list. Shockwave and War Stomp are strong, but they cannot hit air units which leads to a similar situation as Mountain King, but at least MK can just bolt a Frost Wyrm and run or something. Endurance Aura is great for attack speed in longer fights where it seems to have a more profound impact, but the movement speed is just not as impactful as DK's Unholy Aura. Why? Because Orc already has access to maximized movement speed via speed scroll. As long as speed scroll exists, TC will not be a lock for Orc 2nd hero in 1v1.
Death Knight has the best aura in the game while paladins devotion aura is thorns aura levels of bad and death coil can do creep steals,and damage all races except undead rather than only damaging one race, also Death Knight works with undead much better than Paladin works with human,yes Paladin has bloodmage or archmage synergy but the DK lich synergy is much stronger....Death Knight will always be superior to paladin
What bambooh penguin said. Also, Death Knight is just essential for UD. Undead units have no regen outside of blighted ground, so his aura, in time, helps immensly. Over the course of a game, I think it heals more than death coil, as if the extra speed was not good enough. Another guy in here also said about DK that he's naturally quite fast moving and very fast turning and has a quick spellcasting animation and that also contributes to it's usefulness, since he's very easy to be micromanaged effectively. But really, undeads either use Dreadlord + ghouls for a specific rush, or DK as first hero in 98% of the games.
I agree with the other 2. I stated also that if Pala gets harassed early it is bad for you. You can't really harass DK early, because UD units are just better, so anyone will have a harder time, trying to apply the same pressure they would to Pala.
Nice list! I guess, though, Alchemist could deserve being in the same tier as Naga. Even after the cooldown nerf on Healing Spray, he still adds so much to your army, like acid bombing clustered units (gargoyles and human casters come to mind), spray to counter AoE and ranged attack against air.
I feel like the fire lord and the pit lord should be swapped in the list, pit lord is not very good Imo where as the fire lord can be a solid 2nd hero for both orc and human, especially human with archimage as the first allowing you to easily grab expo's and creep with water elementals and fire elementals while maintaining a good Mana regen with the archimage's Aura.
Some of the rankings are questionable. But I think the accuracy of the top tier (God, S+ and S) list makes sense. The Low Tier is kind of "up in the air".
Sup bro! Maybe you can help me out with a map I’m trying to find! I remember that you start the game as a wisp and need to choose a hero by stepping in the TP in front of the one you want. When you step into it, you are teletransported for a map full of creatures and start to farm. I remember that at the very north there was a Tidehunter lvl 30. The Medusa was very hard to kill too. When you die you go to a safe place, that you can but itens. I remember that the crystal Maiden have a spell that 6 waves of ice drops from the sky. And i remember too that Furion was a druid and his normal attack was big energy balls veeeeery slow! That is it. Do you remember play any map like this?
Great description, shame I can't think of it. I know on Warchaser style maps you typically begin with a Wisp to choose your Hero.. of course this method is used in many other Hero Defenses. I can "paste" your comment on my discord custom game section and see if anyone has an answer.
@@WTiiWarcraft tks for your help/time if you find it I’ll give you a kiss lmao. There’s somethings that I can remember too. The crystal maiden comes in a fire type too. And the waves that drops from the sky are little meteors. The creatures in the map is shown by little dark blue points. In the center of the map we have a little shrine I think, and that is it cuz today Im 30yo and i used to play in my 12yo xD
@@leonardoazenha Unsure if this is correct but chatGPT thinks "The map you are describing sounds very much like "Angel Arena." "Angel Arena" is a popular custom map for Warcraft 3 where players start as a wisp, choose a hero by stepping into a teleport circle, and then farm creatures to gain levels and items. The map is known for having high-level creatures such as the Tidehunter and challenging heroes like Medusa. In "Angel Arena," when you die, you are sent to a safe zone where you can buy items. The abilities you mentioned for Crystal Maiden and Furion (or Malfurion) also align with the custom skills often seen in various versions of this map. "Angel Arena" has many versions and variations, so specific details can vary, but the core gameplay elements you described are key features of this map. Maybe Angel Arena Eclipse XVII had wisps with heroes and circles instead of taverns"
I cant belive my beastmaster fell that low,he was an fricking unstopouble characterr in the campaings,they changed his storm bolt and now is juts a s*** hero.I wish they would make him good again.
Every game type has different tier lists 1v1 is going to be as stated best lvl 5 heroes while each team game has more aura/aoe damage powers to consider greater in 3's/4's tier list, finally FFA games end up with Ultimate abilities playing a great part in their hero tier set as 3 level 10 heroes plus armies can end up fighting against each other in long mined out games.
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I always did better with DL first. Sleep a DK and surround. Most were never good enough to attack him with their own unit to wake him and easy early game snipes. L3 vamp destroyed everything with dk as secondary to heal.
This is so hard cuz these hero all useful for certain situations like tinker is probably the best in the game for constantly harassing destroying buildings and running away whereas demon hunters better in a straight up fight
Tinker is more OP than you realize. In ROC DH is byfar the most powerful as a 500-13 UD Player the only time I had trouble was with high level DHs level 7 and up thats a lvl 3 mana burn 1/3 evasion chance and metamorphisis. I've seen people win entire games after losing their whole base with a level 10 tinker by himself.
Biggest upset of this list in my opinion is paladin on rank C. Paly heal costs basically no mana with a very short cooldown and can be game changer with ally heroes saves. The aura armor buff is just insane in 3v3 or 4v4 as well. I would def put him on A or S
This is a melee list as he stated, so teams do not count. Pala is a bad first pick unless they are UD and do not harass. If he gets harassed early versus anyone, it will be an uphill battle for you.
0:55 Animate Dead isn't garbage. It's the best choice for reinforcing either from your unit's corpse, friendly or even enemy's corpse. Since it's better than Resurrection while Death Knight's animate dead units are invulnerable until reach the duration... 😂😂😂
Please, people. If you're gonna complain this tier list is wrong, at least try to watch the video completely, and don't just go _"What? Did he just put demon hunter and mountain king at B tier? REEEEEEEE this video succs!!"_
Suppose this is for one vs one play only? In FFA heroes like Dark ranger and TC are op. As for Warden she is a perfect example of strong spells but weak body. Her hp and physical dps is a let down. Will you also do an FFA tier list? One vs one Best first heroes: DK, AM, FS ... Best second heroes: Naga, Lich, SH, Alchemist ... Best third heroes: TC, paladin, DR ...
"when the pros use them" is a terrible argument. You can't base it on who plays the hero the best or worst. Warden has bad skills early for farming neutrals and is weak if taken second or third because she is a squishy melee. Just because someone is good with Warden doesn't make her Top Tier :P The synergy with frost wyrms and DK is insane and nothing that the Warden has can compete.
@@fanaticpharaoh6689 if you do get the frost wyrms because of a long game, the 1v1 is basically over because the UD player can just nuke your heroes and units then freeze all of your towers
It seems the higher lvl player you are the more overpowered speed aura is but that should place TC higher since it's only the coil that gives DK an edge? Also is Naga sea bitch really that good because of frost arrow alone?
Nah theirs no such thing as S tier heroes, it always depend on who use it and how you counter each hero. And beside your not playing with hero alone but with army. But if your going to fight all of these heroes one on one i think BM and MK are top of its class.
I disagree with you. He is talking about melee, and most times in melee you have an army. In most games AM and DK will be a lot better than any other heros on this list. DK is faster than BM and that coil and dust can keep him running. He simply can't take to much spam. Again, this is moving past lvl which it is easy to get to. Wants AM gets support or sorcs, it is very diffiucult for blade to do what he wants to AM and AM aura and Water elementals help chop blade down. SH heal can't heal blade fast enough and that is one support, any one that AM picks next is bound to support HM better because of AM aura, is what he is getting at.
Hunter Sowards But even if you knew how to use the dread lord in the past I always thought he was really bad. His DPS Is mediocre, he has low hit points and is fairly easy to kill, his spells are amazing but his aura doesn’t really help the undead, his spells that are good cost a lot of mana and he has hardly any. So I always thought compared to all the other heroes that he was terrible. And the Pitlord is basically the same but with weaker spells
@@Rorschach1030 They take a lot of work but they can both be hood for disruption and group control I personally believe the pit lord isn't good but I believe the dreadlord can be a good first hero despite the DK Lich combo existing.
For most parts, I agree with this tier, like you said, for 1 vs 1 typical games, where heroes rarely get to level 6 and beyond. So their ultimates don't matter in this ranking. DK, AM, and TC for their auras definitely are the meta heroes. Can you imagine how much more OP DK would be, if he didn't have a dud spell (death pact).
death pact can still be useful if you play well around it, it just isn't good due to there not being enough levels to fully utilize it a lot in 1v1 games. If you do get it you can essentially turn a random skeleton into a second healing potion to use in combat. The dud spell is more of his ultimate but that won't be even possible to get normally.
I personally get DL first as I like him more and I feel it helps UD take any race. No melee is better than UD with double aura, and if they get air you get gargs and again you still win. If they have massive air ghouls and fiends will do the trick. DK second, I prioritize aura as I believe it is better than the coil with my play style, because my hero's do not need to be healed as much, so level 4,5,or 6 I get death pact (depending on the situation is what level I get it) and that now makes DK unkillable, and helps him keep my other hero's alive longer as well as my army.
@@shellshockedgerman3947 how? it is an amazing attack especially for its insanely fast cast animation and the death knights busted movement speed and turnaround.
it's more of his stats that do it and his amazing synergy with the lich as a second hero. His maneuverability makes him busted along with unholy aura as you can basically take whatever unit/hero down if you play well. That along with his tanking abilities and synergy with units such as necromancers make him amazing. Death pact, while niche isn't garbage due to the tools the undead have, and his ultimate doesn't really matter as a lot of the time you can win before you get to level six.
@@huntersowards3409 Compared to Holy Light alone, its pretty much worse apart from nuking potential. Holy Light cost less, has more range, is not a projectile and has faster cast time.
@@shellshockedgerman3947 true, but its nuking potential is why it's so good, holy light is just a better healing move and the only thing that paladin does better, even then you should only really get paladin as a third hero.
DH is the singular reason NE has around 50% wr..if you deduct the games where ifs DH firsr theyre way way bellow 50%. DH is multipurpose well rounded never a mistake hero that is statistically the best hero by a lot. Putting him A tier is just factualy wrong...
@@spoxer100 Paladin first skill can only be used for healing and againts undead while DK's coil provide a lot more flexibility whether for creeping, nuking or healing. Paladin's aura is also inferior to DK's. Last thing is that while Paladin have no useless skill, it is unlikely you will have to use all of them as most games would end with your heroes being leveled around 5-6. So DK is already powerful enough for almost the entire length of the game, unless the game takes way too long and your heroes are mostly level 10. If that's the case then I guess paladin maybe more useful? But I never really play with or againts a level 10 paladin in 1v1
@@spoxer100 No one says that his abilities are useless. The question is his utility. DK is needed for every match up because of his abilities to heal and nuke and unholy aura that gives the UD army so much mobility. Paladin is picked as a 3rd hero (usually against UD lategame) because of his ability to heal and nuke the UD. Paladin may shine as a lvl 10 hero, but you almost never get to that point in 1v1 unless you cheese with paladin first against UD (there are a few pro matches that won with this strat). Otherwise, you have a glorified healer with middling dmg output. Also, humans have AM and priests to get the heals. In the end, these heroes are based on their usefulness not the raw power of their abilities
Hanson Lee whenever i go paladin first against undead i usually manage to kill the death knight at tier 1, paladin has better dps, And more armor AS well. I always pick paladin when I’m human and against undead.
The only placement I do not agree with is BM. He is not the greatest, but definitely not as bad as PotM or Tinker. It's just that Archmage is so good BM looks bad by comparison. For me he is A-B tier at least.
This ranking is only for the time, it is only true for his 2020 so please do not criticize here, however I find Death Knight is really a very strong champion, obviously when playing Undead almost nothing no player ignores DK, when playing Human no player ignores Archmage
For me personally Tauren Cheiften in the best hero in the game. Shockwave does good dmg to units and buildings. Stomp aoe stun is always nice. Endurance Aura is in my opinion 2nd best aura after Unholy. Reincarnation while Tc has alot of hp killing him twice is really annoying especially in 1v1 situation.
his ultimate isn't going to be used in a 1v1 game more often then not due to games ending mostly by level 5 or lower, so tc can't get to the godly level he can get in FFA or team games.
explain how dk is stronger than TC, the war stomp is better than coil and auras are same tier, while TC has a better ulti to me it just sounds like you're biased cuz you lose to UD too much or smthn
No way stomp is better than coil. Yeah, on paper it sounds nice, AoE stun + damage. Coil is sooo much more versatile. From keeping your units and you precious precious lich alive, to killing and stealing! creeps or finishing running low-health units of the opponent. The fact that, in average, you get to use the coil about ... 20 ? 30 times per match, but the war stomp ... 2 ? 3 ? 5 ? (and not always effectively) says why the coil is undisputably better. Also, the unholy aura gives healing too, which is insanely good for undead, as they don't regenerate outside of blight. If you multiply the healing by 5-10-15 units, then you realize that over the course of a game, it heals by A LOT.
They are still really good, it's just currently Far Seer has taken a front seat or at least equal to Blademaster right now since he can provide very fast aggression & control to control the early game where Blademaster needs a bit of time to build up items before he becomes crazy. Demon Hunter is always good, he is just very straight and narrow like that but Kotg with the cheaper Treants allows fast creeping and power leveling
it's not just the hero itself that makes it good, it's him in combo with lich and the other busted undead units that make him op. Death coils short start-up time and the maneuverability of DK an his insta turnarounds can turn any bad team fight into a good one if you can hit a frost nova death coil combo then surround the hero with unholy aura. Plus unholy aura gives rediculous life regen for an aura and can help you keep fighting with units way longer than normal if you can macro your units retreats well enough.
Can someone enlight me why DK is God tier? I mean death coil and aura is awesome but his ulti is complete trash and his 2nd skill is way worse than the 45 invulnerability of his paladin counterpart. I feel his skills sets aren't that much btr than paladin which is just a B tier and the main advantage over paladin is his hero model. However legit S tier hero like archmage have awesome hero model (fast and range hero) and all 4 of his spells are strong af (compared to DK only 2 skill being legit strong)
Good distributing. I agree with much of positions, especially Dark King, he is really imbalanced heroy) But say about what im disagree. Priestess and Warden must be highter, because of 1 is one of the best support heroy and 2 is one if the best solo heroy. And both of them have imbalansed ulta. Vampir must be more down, because of he has not very usefull skills and the Undeed needs him just in only few rare strategy. Tauren must be highter, he is the best tank and has very usefull aura to the Horde. But its just my opinion) And i cant chose the worst heroy. Every heroy is nessecary for speciality strategies
Awesome video. I enjoy these sort of "outside the box" type of videos, like the Wtii eats one. Haha! Awesome list. Personally though, Archmage is, and have always been the best hero.
@@huntersowards3409 Definitely. It's good that CL is getting picked now, but I think Dk is still the logical choice in high level 1v1 play. It's exciting though to see what meta the top players could come up with using CL.
@@WTiiWarcraft Yeah, but more explanation of why is each so good or bad could've been said. For example... why is the Naga Sea -Bi- Witch so good ? She has nice abilities, but S tier ??
@@Winnetou17 The Naga Sea Witch is one of the best secondary Heroes. She is incredibly complimentary for locking down opponents you are focusing with Frost Arrows (slow them down) & has burst damage when required with Forked Lightning. She also gets great stat ratios per level too, so her damage is very respectable.
far seer not as good as other a tiers. Wolf control finnicky and chain lightning costs too much mana. His auto is good. Blood mage can be very good as 2nd or 3rd. If level 3+ A or S tier. Pala & Tyrande one tier higher from where they are. Agree with others.
Death Knight is not that good. Vital to the Undead, yes. But his ulti is trash and death pact, while very good, rarely used until coil and aura are maxed out. Real GOD heroes are DH (he has no business doing in A tier) and AM.
Whilst your points are fair, they are from a Hero vs Hero basis. If it was only level 10 Heroes against one another, then the DK would fair worse. But this is based off 1v1 gameplay, and there the Death Knight reigns supreme, he is picked about 95% of the time if not more & has a massive influence on the power of Undead against all opponents, hence his rating.
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nice one! lol
4v4 tier?
Really enjoy hearing you talk about heros, the game and what different strentghs each race and heros have !! I consider it Wc3 education :D
@@WTiiWarcraft death knight ultimate skills so so so trash just my thought so i couldn't agree s rank why you choose?
@@릴카릴카 It's based off the meta, very rarely will games ever result in a level 6 DK, even if they do, you just pick lvl 3 Aura or lvl 1 Death Pact which both have very practical uses.
This isn't the "ultimate hero, every hero at lvl 10 comparison"
What makes the Death Knight so good is not just the coil and aura, but also the fact that he has:
1. High natural movement speed
2. Very quick spell casting animation
3. Very quick turning speed (like spinning around speed)
This allows him to easily evade damage and pressure with extremely high mobility, while still casting coils at full liberty. WTii himself calls this ability of the Death Knight's "The Jerk".
Henry Parker what about the water wizard?
@@mech2303
"Water wizard"
@@JohnnyCasey but that wizard use fireball as attack.
@@Weigazod
I'm positive that you have no idea what you're saying, due to the failure of comprehending the context in this comment chain. Please consult all these comment.
@@JohnnyCasey i don't think you succeed in understanding my comment and its context either. Feel free to revisit the comment chain. :)
Remember firelord being an unstoppable force with 8-12 spawns and a passive incinerate? Good times.
I member bro cheesed so many in lan when we don't have enough dota players (this is where meepo micro was born in our netcafe)
Did they nerf it
"I know it's a she, but I'm just gonna call it a he. ᴵᵗ ᵐᶦᵍʰᵗ ᵇᵉ."
Truly, a sign of our times....
In my version death knight is a he ;-;
honestly the "female" DK model is so bad
It's so bad it's good! made me lol (hadn't seen it before)
It's just so lazy, but what could we expect from the people who made refunded?
I think nobody at activision wanted to pay for that model so it's a wonder someone even tried.
Nightmare Fuel
The female death Knight also is bad, the warden model for TFT is much better even her voice is better
crypt lord has always been my favorite. I know it's not that good of a hero, but I was happy that he didn't put him in D and than he made my day and put him in B :D thanks wtii, love your videos
Yeah, it's sad. He were a beast in the Campaign though. 21 armor to tank the entire naga army.
I remember back then when I used to play the last mission of undead campaign the crypt lord could withstand a whole army solo and also kill Illidan so I used to just use him to defend my base against Naga.
He really was a good hero.
I think Wtii can def make more of these videos.
Personally I'd love to see a 4v4 ranking.
And which hero is best at level 10.
StormKnight I think it is Demon hunter
@@agimond4162 demon hunter is pretty op at level 10
According to your list, Orc seems to have the best balance of heroes. Depends on if you're talking ROC or TFT tho, and this is clearly a TFT list. In ROC, you can put the DH up there at GOD tier. He's such a pain in the ass. Only other changes I would make are make the Warden S tier b/c like they said she's super good but requires an ass ton of skill. Pit Lord I would move up b/c of his cleave as a support hero he's ridiculously good especially for UD (DK/Lich/Pitlord is an amazing hero combo!), Tinker belongs in S Tier b/c he's like the Warden he sucks if you aren't pro but if you're really, really good he can literally win by himself if you're good at evading the enemies army and engaging in guerilla warfare his seige is unrivaled if you can get him to lvl 9 or 10 he's amazing. Firelord is trash, Beastmaster not sure haven't played him in a while. PoTM is ok with archers but not the best good tier choice. Blood Mage sucks ass. Pally should be A Tier b/c he's an amazing support hero for human or for team games where your ally/allies are not UD, b/c he can serve as a hero heal. At lvl 10, with the devotion aura lvl 3, holy light level 3, resurrection or w/e for battles, timed well is good, and with level 3 divine shield, he will literally never die unless your a retard lol.
Crypt Lord is Low Average, good Tier choice. DH was better in ROC. In TFT he's not as good but if he gets to like level 8 in a team game and you got a level 5 pally, he's unstoppable, so good tier choice. Never really use Panda so I'm not sure. Alchemist can be pretty useful at endgame when all the mines start running out with Transmute for that extra gold boost, so he's a good support hero. Dreadlord, if you have all 3 UD heroes (DK/Lich/DL) at level 5 or higher, he's OP af as a support hero, good tier choice on all those. Dark Ranger, good choice. TC can stun lock, has endurance aura I believe for faster attack, shockwave can obliterate buildings at level 3 if correctly positioned, reincarnation, so if played right, or on team games with a level 5 pally, he too is pretty damn hard to kill. I'd put him at S if you have a really good player using him, at least as support. As an initial hero, he's A.
Blademaster/Far Seer/Witch Doctor, all level 5 or higher, are insanely good and I would keep them all at S, so good tier choice. Didn't know Sea witch was that good, interesting and good to know. Lich/MK good choice. KotG I've seen used first and he can be very good as either an initial or support hero, depending on your strat/matchup, so again, good choice.
Now for the top 2!! Arcmage is what I always go with first as human. All 3 of his moves are amazing, and you can send an invisible unit with sorc's adept training ability and TP right into their base and I love it!! Definitely a good Tier Placement. As an UD player, the DK is unmatched. Death coil is amazing for both offense and unit healing, Unholy Aura is amazing, and even Death Pact is useful if you bring a couple ghouls and use level 3 death pact on them during a battle you can mass heal yourself. Raise dead is incredible, as you can focus down their heavy melee and cast it right away and you'll have all their heavy melee fighting for you. So yes, DK is a god. In ROC, he got me a 500-13 UD Record with match abusing and 25-3 with a normal account.
Good list, man!!
As you said Dark Ranger is commonly used as a 3rd hero for Undead after DK and Lich, therefore Dreadlord who is the one not taken, should be lower on the list. Similarly Crypt Lord is rarely ever considered over the others so should be lower. Paladin, while relegated to 3rd pick, is a very consistent 3rd pick for Humans over all the neutral options therefore should be A tier for the simple fact that he's so commonly used. For the same reason most neutrals should go down in the tier list as they're rarely ever used. Even the Naga Sea Witch isn't nearly as common as most factions tend to use 3 of their 4 faction heroes and Undead consistently take the Dark Ranger over her(and their other 2 heroes). While the Naga Sea Witch is obviously still very good she can't be S tier because she isn't picked often. The other neutrals are seeing even less play than the NSW so should be B tier at best mostly C and D along with the Bloodmage and other faction heroes that rarely get picked.
Can we also have a 4v4 tier rating?
agreed, this tier rating is different in each game mode.
@Joe Gott despite undead not being the best race on 1v1, they constantly getting beaten by orc, DK is by far the best harasing hero in the game, with still being strong at level 1 with coil steals. So i agree with you.
pink is top tier for memes and autism
dark green is cheat tier
FrostW in chat needs to stop typing. In a realistic 1v1, most of yall arnt even good enough to survive a tower rush or a early rush. Average hero level is from 4-5. So to judge them based off their fully leveled skill is stupid. Be realistic, you generally have them at level 4 or level 3 and the game ends in 1v1. Noobs keep talking about how op or Imba a hero is because they don’t know how to play against and feed, and complain how strong it is. Also need to remind how certain units counter heroes.
That's what i basically said :D now you are telling the same and tell me i have to stop typing, open your eyes next time ;) And i disagree about units countering heroes, this should never be taken into an account, it is mostly hero vs hero and strategies.
@@wolf9354 Well that is kind of dumb though. Normal damage does 100% to heroes and is a hero counter.
@Wolf 93 okay so if you get dryad vs am that’s not counter?
@@fanaticpharaoh6689 Hero armor decreases incoming damage from any type, but chaos. you cant just make 1 or couple dryads, you need a hero too :) as i said you cant counter hero simply with units. @jason yum
@@wolf9354 Wrong. Hero armor takes 50% from Magic, Piercing, and Siege damage; 100% from Hero, Chaos, and Normal damage. Hero armor takes 70% damage from spells.
You can find this in gameplay constants.
Trueshot Aura alone is worth A tier. +10% damage for the entire army is pretty damn good. If you manage to get 30%, its just downright busted especially since "Roar" further increases damage by another +25%. An unassuming army all of a sudden becomes quite terrifying.
suddenly elves lack ranged units for late game composition. Only archers. Dryads have minimal impact from aura as big chunk of their damage is poison and doesn't benefit from upgrades and auras. Maybe faeries vs ud, but this strat have no place for t3 potm.
You can dispell the summons of the Beasmaster with any race, no wonder noone uses it.
I always think Death Knight, Demon Hunter, Archmage and Blademaster are the top 4 heroes and no one else get on that level imo. Demon Hunter is super hard to kill, mana burn fucks up spellcasters and other heroes, and his ultimate might be the best in the game. Death Knight yeah unholy aura and death coil is unbelievable and his synergy with Lich is unbelievable. Archmage's brilliance aura basically makes you play with the thereisnospoon cheat activated and if you put a boots of speed on him hes really hard to kill, and Blademaster one on one can probably kill any hero. Although, i havent played in a while perhaps the meta has changed. Thoughts?
i agree with u
I feel like he really undercut the demon hunter in this video, he didn't really sell his power and his survivability as a hero. He can do some really good disruptions especially if you can invisibility potion to the spellcasters of the enemies armies
@@huntersowards3409 Yeah Demon Hunter I think on a one on one basis can take any hero, and Death Knight isnt as good in mirror matches.
@@Rorschach1030 definitely the best 1v1 hero IMO, but with a group of units with the hero, Death Knight is better. Both really good heroes though.
BM can't take Mk 1on 1. He can at low levels but level 3 on, MK will win every time. That bolt hurts BM he has such low hp, and a few bashes, he can't get off like he wants to . It is rare for MK not to pick bolt versus anyone, so he is going to have it for sure.
I'll put down what I think based on my inexperience in 1v1 melee games and based on what I see in the videos I watch from wtii, grubby, funnywar, etc. Not super informed, but it's at least an honest take.
Firelord is complete garbage; let's get this one out of the way first. Much like how you gave a special tier to Death Knight at the top for GOD, I genuinely think Firelord needs a tier to himself at the bottom called FAIL. Super squishy, terrible ultimate, serious mana consumption issues, and has significant trouble versus anti magic units. At least I see Beastmaster get used by NElfs and some Orcs for a T2 push, but Firelord has no place in the meta with all his strengths being eclipsed by his weaknesses and the strengths of other Tavern heroes.
I think either Tinker needs to move up a tier or Pit Lord needs to move down a tier. My reasoning: they're both "pet" heroes, as in heroes that I see people pick out of favoritism. They're not bad though. Not great, but not bad and certainly better than Beastmaster or Firelord.
I'm not sure if Lich deserves to be in S+ with AM, but he's close. What's deceptive about the hero from a outsider's perspective is that it seems like people only take Lich for the ranged Orb of Corruption and Frost Nova, but in practice the other two abilities, as you said, have great utility. But the real strength that most outsiders seem to gloss over on Lich? His attack speed and base damage. It's ridiculous for a ranged intelligence hero. His base attack cooldown is ~0.4 sec lower than DK's and he has higher base attack damage only beaten by Crypt Lord for UD heroes (b/c his might cannot be matched). Lich auto attacks with Orb of Corruption essentially marks units for death because if they don't die from UD units, the Lich will quickly dps them down.
Finally, I saw a lot of people saying TC deserves to be higher for War Stomp and Endurance Aura, but I think TC's fine where he's at on your list. Shockwave and War Stomp are strong, but they cannot hit air units which leads to a similar situation as Mountain King, but at least MK can just bolt a Frost Wyrm and run or something. Endurance Aura is great for attack speed in longer fights where it seems to have a more profound impact, but the movement speed is just not as impactful as DK's Unholy Aura. Why? Because Orc already has access to maximized movement speed via speed scroll. As long as speed scroll exists, TC will not be a lock for Orc 2nd hero in 1v1.
If death Knight is S+ tier, why isn't Paladin? They're basically the same but the paladin can also heal allied non-undead units
Death Knight has the best aura in the game while paladins devotion aura is thorns aura levels of bad and death coil can do creep steals,and damage all races except undead rather than only damaging one race, also Death Knight works with undead much better than Paladin works with human,yes Paladin has bloodmage or archmage synergy but the DK lich synergy is much stronger....Death Knight will always be superior to paladin
What bambooh penguin said.
Also, Death Knight is just essential for UD. Undead units have no regen outside of blighted ground, so his aura, in time, helps immensly. Over the course of a game, I think it heals more than death coil, as if the extra speed was not good enough.
Another guy in here also said about DK that he's naturally quite fast moving and very fast turning and has a quick spellcasting animation and that also contributes to it's usefulness, since he's very easy to be micromanaged effectively.
But really, undeads either use Dreadlord + ghouls for a specific rush, or DK as first hero in 98% of the games.
I agree with the other 2. I stated also that if Pala gets harassed early it is bad for you. You can't really harass DK early, because UD units are just better, so anyone will have a harder time, trying to apply the same pressure they would to Pala.
Now we need a 4v4 tier list ❤
Amazing Tier list.
Nice list! I guess, though, Alchemist could deserve being in the same tier as Naga. Even after the cooldown nerf on Healing Spray, he still adds so much to your army, like acid bombing clustered units (gargoyles and human casters come to mind), spray to counter AoE and ranged attack against air.
I feel like the fire lord and the pit lord should be swapped in the list, pit lord is not very good Imo where as the fire lord can be a solid 2nd hero for both orc and human, especially human with archimage as the first allowing you to easily grab expo's and creep with water elementals and fire elementals while maintaining a good Mana regen with the archimage's Aura.
"take this with a PINCH of salt"
feel like he gonna shit on someone favorite hero, lmao
I'd love of version of this for 4v4 RT and just 'Why [Race] is [Good/Bad/Mediocre]/How good is [Race]?'
Firelord may be D tier in the game, but he's GOD tier in my heart
Some of the rankings are questionable. But I think the accuracy of the top tier (God, S+ and S) list makes sense. The Low Tier is kind of "up in the air".
Sup bro! Maybe you can help me out with a map I’m trying to find!
I remember that you start the game as a wisp and need to choose a hero by stepping in the TP in front of the one you want. When you step into it, you are teletransported for a map full of creatures and start to farm. I remember that at the very north there was a Tidehunter lvl 30. The Medusa was very hard to kill too.
When you die you go to a safe place, that you can but itens. I remember that the crystal Maiden have a spell that 6 waves of ice drops from the sky. And i remember too that Furion was a druid and his normal attack was big energy balls veeeeery slow! That is it. Do you remember play any map like this?
Great description, shame I can't think of it. I know on Warchaser style maps you typically begin with a Wisp to choose your Hero.. of course this method is used in many other Hero Defenses. I can "paste" your comment on my discord custom game section and see if anyone has an answer.
@@WTiiWarcraft tks for your help/time if you find it I’ll give you a kiss lmao.
There’s somethings that I can remember too. The crystal maiden comes in a fire type too. And the waves that drops from the sky are little meteors. The creatures in the map is shown by little dark blue points. In the center of the map we have a little shrine I think, and that is it cuz today Im 30yo and i used to play in my 12yo xD
@@leonardoazenha Unsure if this is correct but chatGPT thinks
"The map you are describing sounds very much like "Angel Arena." "Angel Arena" is a popular custom map for Warcraft 3 where players start as a wisp, choose a hero by stepping into a teleport circle, and then farm creatures to gain levels and items. The map is known for having high-level creatures such as the Tidehunter and challenging heroes like Medusa.
In "Angel Arena," when you die, you are sent to a safe zone where you can buy items. The abilities you mentioned for Crystal Maiden and Furion (or Malfurion) also align with the custom skills often seen in various versions of this map.
"Angel Arena" has many versions and variations, so specific details can vary, but the core gameplay elements you described are key features of this map.
Maybe Angel Arena Eclipse XVII had wisps with heroes and circles instead of taverns"
I cant belive my beastmaster fell that low,he was an fricking unstopouble characterr in the campaings,they changed his storm bolt and now is juts a s*** hero.I wish they would make him good again.
P sure that bm only has storm bolt IN the campaign
P sure it was given exclusively to rexar
Every game type has different tier lists 1v1 is going to be as stated best lvl 5 heroes while each team game has more aura/aoe damage powers to consider greater in 3's/4's tier list, finally FFA games end up with Ultimate abilities playing a great part in their hero tier set as 3 level 10 heroes plus armies can end up fighting against each other in long mined out games.
Mountain king. hands down is the best 1v1.
Jubei
at level ten, in a normal 1v1 game that sadly won't happen
Did they nerf the fire lord? I remember you using him last year saying he was really good especially if agility tomes dropped.
That's more for custom games :)
Melee doesn't drop enough agility tomes to make up for his fragility
@@WTiiWarcraft gotcha.
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@@WTiiWarcraft sweet man! If you're ever interested i would love to interview you sometime. Your nerdom is awesome.
How to make quick enemies/haters make a tier list lol
I legit don't even know what half the mercs do. they weren't in the base tft release and I was tricked into never updating lmao
Tier lists be damned, Mountain King is S+ in my heart.
any tank heroes are just so fun if you can make them work
I always did better with DL first. Sleep a DK and surround. Most were never good enough to attack him with their own unit to wake him and easy early game snipes. L3 vamp destroyed everything with dk as secondary to heal.
Best is death knight and demon hunter and worst Lich and broad lord
female death knight armed two weapons in reforged. but in classic, she armed just a greatsword while the hatchet holstered in the back.
The first time Undead wins something! Finally!
that s useless, muradin will destroy arthas undead=)))
This is so hard cuz these hero all useful for certain situations like tinker is probably the best in the game for constantly harassing destroying buildings and running away whereas demon hunters better in a straight up fight
At least in 1.26b I remember TH000 would usually go NE with BM first vs HU.
Tinker is more OP than you realize. In ROC DH is byfar the most powerful as a 500-13 UD Player the only time I had trouble was with high level DHs level 7 and up thats a lvl 3 mana burn 1/3 evasion chance and metamorphisis. I've seen people win entire games after losing their whole base with a level 10 tinker by himself.
Biggest upset of this list in my opinion is paladin on rank C.
Paly heal costs basically no mana with a very short cooldown and can be game changer with ally heroes saves. The aura armor buff is just insane in 3v3 or 4v4 as well. I would def put him on A or S
This is a melee list as he stated, so teams do not count. Pala is a bad first pick unless they are UD and do not harass. If he gets harassed early versus anyone, it will be an uphill battle for you.
0:55 Animate Dead isn't garbage. It's the best choice for reinforcing either from your unit's corpse, friendly or even enemy's corpse. Since it's better than Resurrection while Death Knight's animate dead units are invulnerable until reach the duration... 😂😂😂
that chat gave me a headache
Please, people. If you're gonna complain this tier list is wrong, at least try to watch the video completely, and don't just go _"What? Did he just put demon hunter and mountain king at B tier? REEEEEEEE this video succs!!"_
Suppose this is for one vs one play only? In FFA heroes like Dark ranger and TC are op. As for Warden she is a perfect example of strong spells but weak body. Her hp and physical dps is a let down. Will you also do an FFA tier list?
One vs one
Best first heroes: DK, AM, FS ...
Best second heroes: Naga, Lich, SH, Alchemist ...
Best third heroes: TC, paladin, DR ...
"when the pros use them" is a terrible argument. You can't base it on who plays the hero the best or worst.
Warden has bad skills early for farming neutrals and is weak if taken second or third because she is a squishy melee. Just because someone is good with Warden doesn't make her Top Tier :P
The synergy with frost wyrms and DK is insane and nothing that the Warden has can compete.
Do you really see that many frost wyrms produced in 1v1 tho? 🤔 I agree with your main point about 'pros' however!
@@adamk8073 Substitute for crypt fiends then. Yea 1v1 rarely gets passed tier 2.
@@fanaticpharaoh6689 if you do get the frost wyrms because of a long game, the 1v1 is basically over because the UD player can just nuke your heroes and units then freeze all of your towers
This list is capped immediately when you disrespected paladin
His shield aura is built different
Plus can resurrect full HP troops not a joke
It seems the higher lvl player you are the more overpowered speed aura is but that should place TC higher since it's only the coil that gives DK an edge? Also is Naga sea bitch really that good because of frost arrow alone?
Nah theirs no such thing as S tier heroes, it always depend on who use it and how you counter each hero. And beside your not playing with hero alone but with army. But if your going to fight all of these heroes one on one i think BM and MK are top of its class.
I disagree with you. He is talking about melee, and most times in melee you have an army. In most games AM and DK will be a lot better than any other heros on this list. DK is faster than BM and that coil and dust can keep him running. He simply can't take to much spam. Again, this is moving past lvl which it is easy to get to. Wants AM gets support or sorcs, it is very diffiucult for blade to do what he wants to AM and AM aura and Water elementals help chop blade down. SH heal can't heal blade fast enough and that is one support, any one that AM picks next is bound to support HM better because of AM aura, is what he is getting at.
Is it just me or did they buff a lot of heroes? I remember the Dreadlord and Pit Lord being absolute trash.
it was more of people figuring out how to use them better, meta changes instead of patches
Hunter Sowards But even if you knew how to use the dread lord in the past I always thought he was really bad. His DPS Is mediocre, he has low hit points and is fairly easy to kill, his spells are amazing but his aura doesn’t really help the undead, his spells that are good cost a lot of mana and he has hardly any. So I always thought compared to all the other heroes that he was terrible. And the Pitlord is basically the same but with weaker spells
@@Rorschach1030 They take a lot of work but they can both be hood for disruption and group control I personally believe the pit lord isn't good but I believe the dreadlord can be a good first hero despite the DK Lich combo existing.
how can i play with those all heroes? i just cant pick humans, orcs, elfs and death so i cant play with 16 heroes
If Blood Mage gets higher level, it can be pretty dangerous
For most parts, I agree with this tier, like you said, for 1 vs 1 typical games, where heroes rarely get to level 6 and beyond. So their ultimates don't matter in this ranking.
DK, AM, and TC for their auras definitely are the meta heroes. Can you imagine how much more OP DK would be, if he didn't have a dud spell (death pact).
death pact can still be useful if you play well around it, it just isn't good due to there not being enough levels to fully utilize it a lot in 1v1 games. If you do get it you can essentially turn a random skeleton into a second healing potion to use in combat. The dud spell is more of his ultimate but that won't be even possible to get normally.
Death pact is actually very good and I see it used alot by top undead players
I personally get DL first as I like him more and I feel it helps UD take any race. No melee is better than UD with double aura, and if they get air you get gargs and again you still win. If they have massive air ghouls and fiends will do the trick. DK second, I prioritize aura as I believe it is better than the coil with my play style, because my hero's do not need to be healed as much, so level 4,5,or 6 I get death pact (depending on the situation is what level I get it) and that now makes DK unkillable, and helps him keep my other hero's alive longer as well as my army.
Yes! Do more of these!
Also you should do a list of the most enjoyable heroes to play
Imagine hero being god tier even though 2/4 of it's abilities are garbage.
And your Death Coil being a shittier version of Holy Light.
@@shellshockedgerman3947 how? it is an amazing attack especially for its insanely fast cast animation and the death knights busted movement speed and turnaround.
it's more of his stats that do it and his amazing synergy with the lich as a second hero. His maneuverability makes him busted along with unholy aura as you can basically take whatever unit/hero down if you play well. That along with his tanking abilities and synergy with units such as necromancers make him amazing. Death pact, while niche isn't garbage due to the tools the undead have, and his ultimate doesn't really matter as a lot of the time you can win before you get to level six.
@@huntersowards3409 Compared to Holy Light alone, its pretty much worse apart from nuking potential. Holy Light cost less, has more range, is not a projectile and has faster cast time.
@@shellshockedgerman3947 true, but its nuking potential is why it's so good, holy light is just a better healing move and the only thing that paladin does better, even then you should only really get paladin as a third hero.
Bloodmage should be higher. That guy as a solo hero could be so annoying if you know how to play it.
Imagine if the Paladin had a horse, and Devotion gave MS lmao
Tauren Chieftain deserves better >:]
Can we get a warcraft3 critters tier list?
DH is the singular reason NE has around 50% wr..if you deduct the games where ifs DH firsr theyre way way bellow 50%. DH is multipurpose well rounded never a mistake hero that is statistically the best hero by a lot. Putting him A tier is just factualy wrong...
Paladin is not that bad!
Yeah but this tier list mostly considers 1v1 and Paladin in 1v1 is just a crippled DK
I have an extra chromosome his heal is cheaper, HIS ultimate is way better And he has no useless abilities.
@@spoxer100 Paladin first skill can only be used for healing and againts undead while DK's coil provide a lot more flexibility whether for creeping, nuking or healing. Paladin's aura is also inferior to DK's. Last thing is that while Paladin have no useless skill, it is unlikely you will have to use all of them as most games would end with your heroes being leveled around 5-6. So DK is already powerful enough for almost the entire length of the game, unless the game takes way too long and your heroes are mostly level 10. If that's the case then I guess paladin maybe more useful? But I never really play with or againts a level 10 paladin in 1v1
@@spoxer100 No one says that his abilities are useless. The question is his utility. DK is needed for every match up because of his abilities to heal and nuke and unholy aura that gives the UD army so much mobility. Paladin is picked as a 3rd hero (usually against UD lategame) because of his ability to heal and nuke the UD. Paladin may shine as a lvl 10 hero, but you almost never get to that point in 1v1 unless you cheese with paladin first against UD (there are a few pro matches that won with this strat). Otherwise, you have a glorified healer with middling dmg output. Also, humans have AM and priests to get the heals.
In the end, these heroes are based on their usefulness not the raw power of their abilities
Hanson Lee whenever i go paladin first against undead i usually manage to kill the death knight at tier 1, paladin has better dps, And more armor AS well. I always pick paladin when I’m human and against undead.
The only placement I do not agree with is BM. He is not the greatest, but definitely not as bad as PotM or Tinker. It's just that Archmage is so good BM looks bad by comparison. For me he is A-B tier at least.
Warden is the best to me
Tauren chieftain is better than mountain king, does more damage and delivers massive stuns and has a powerful aura. And has more hp.
Also mountain king is squishy, compared to Tauren chieftain.
Mountain king is basically a squishy melee hero with nerfed special moves that do medium damage. He’s good level 5+ but not before that.
And many games don’t even go that long.....
This ranking is only for the time, it is only true for his 2020 so please do not criticize here, however I find Death Knight is really a very strong champion, obviously when playing Undead almost nothing no player ignores DK, when playing Human no player ignores Archmage
For me personally Tauren Cheiften in the best hero in the game. Shockwave does good dmg to units and buildings.
Stomp aoe stun is always nice.
Endurance Aura is in my opinion 2nd best aura after Unholy.
Reincarnation while Tc has alot of hp killing him twice is really annoying especially in 1v1 situation.
TC is way better in team games. In solo his abilities don't get displayed often, because he sucks as the first hero.
his ultimate isn't going to be used in a 1v1 game more often then not due to games ending mostly by level 5 or lower, so tc can't get to the godly level he can get in FFA or team games.
Poor Blademaster, oh how the mighty have fallen...
Third on the list is still great
video starts at 6:12
explain how dk is stronger than TC, the war stomp is better than coil and auras are same tier, while TC has a better ulti
to me it just sounds like you're biased cuz you lose to UD too much or smthn
No way stomp is better than coil. Yeah, on paper it sounds nice, AoE stun + damage. Coil is sooo much more versatile. From keeping your units and you precious precious lich alive, to killing and stealing! creeps or finishing running low-health units of the opponent. The fact that, in average, you get to use the coil about ... 20 ? 30 times per match, but the war stomp ... 2 ? 3 ? 5 ? (and not always effectively) says why the coil is undisputably better.
Also, the unholy aura gives healing too, which is insanely good for undead, as they don't regenerate outside of blight. If you multiply the healing by 5-10-15 units, then you realize that over the course of a game, it heals by A LOT.
coil being a better creep stealing tool doesn't make up for how much stronger war stomp in a fight is, especially at higher levels
auras are same tier
Did demon hunter and blade master get nerfed?? They used to be like the best heroes in melee. Wtf happened.
They are still really good, it's just currently Far Seer has taken a front seat or at least equal to Blademaster right now since he can provide very fast aggression & control to control the early game where Blademaster needs a bit of time to build up items before he becomes crazy.
Demon Hunter is always good, he is just very straight and narrow like that but Kotg with the cheaper Treants allows fast creeping and power leveling
Make a video compiling evidence for your "God Tier" Death knight claim :)
Honestly, he is underselling the ultimate. It gives you invulnerable units for hero surrounds.
Imagine an undead player in 1v1 picks animated dead over lvl 3 unholy aura when DK gets lvl 6.
it's not just the hero itself that makes it good, it's him in combo with lich and the other busted undead units that make him op. Death coils short start-up time and the maneuverability of DK an his insta turnarounds can turn any bad team fight into a good one if you can hit a frost nova death coil combo then surround the hero with unholy aura. Plus unholy aura gives rediculous life regen for an aura and can help you keep fighting with units way longer than normal if you can macro your units retreats well enough.
@@huntersowards3409 For sure. DK is a monster. Best Faction Best Hero imo.
@@fanaticpharaoh6689 Yeah, all of the heroes are usable in pretty much any mode and DK makes all of them shine even more, its quite insane really.
BM so good as least S teir cannon tower rush and flame strike on worker so op plus mana drain to always have enough to flame strike on worker
OMFG you're still here! 🎯 What you think of reforged ?
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Dark ranger should be B or C though, you missed talking about her
DL on the same level like TC, DH and Panda??? Ah thats why he is always played... and warden is too low.
Can someone enlight me why DK is God tier? I mean death coil and aura is awesome but his ulti is complete trash and his 2nd skill is way worse than the 45 invulnerability of his paladin counterpart. I feel his skills sets aren't that much btr than paladin which is just a B tier and the main advantage over paladin is his hero model. However legit S tier hero like archmage have awesome hero model (fast and range hero) and all 4 of his spells are strong af (compared to DK only 2 skill being legit strong)
Good distributing. I agree with much of positions, especially Dark King, he is really imbalanced heroy) But say about what im disagree. Priestess and Warden must be highter, because of 1 is one of the best support heroy and 2 is one if the best solo heroy. And both of them have imbalansed ulta. Vampir must be more down, because of he has not very usefull skills and the Undeed needs him just in only few rare strategy. Tauren must be highter, he is the best tank and has very usefull aura to the Horde. But its just my opinion) And i cant chose the worst heroy. Every heroy is nessecary for speciality strategies
I hate this "need to be good with it" argument. Because its not an Argument...
Conserve your moon juice
Alchemist a Neutral hero??
Which would be the best with the blood mage's mana siphon support?
Naga Sea Witch, coupled with Archmage. Infinite mana = infinite health via Mana Shield.
I've been wanting a hero tier list since 2004
Awesome video. I enjoy these sort of "outside the box" type of videos, like the Wtii eats one. Haha!
Awesome list. Personally though, Archmage is, and have always been the best hero.
crypt lord god tier in my heart
@@huntersowards3409 CL everywhere now
@@hotslili8544 I'm really glad he gets two beatles now, makes creeping and scouting so much easier.
@@huntersowards3409 Definitely. It's good that CL is getting picked now, but I think Dk is still the logical choice in high level 1v1 play. It's exciting though to see what meta the top players could come up with using CL.
@@hotslili8544 yeah, DK is still the best but CL is way more fun in a non-serious game.
Oh wtii we don't need to go over what abilities they have. If we are watching your channel we know what most if not all have.
Not everyone necessarily, it's good to make sure all can be helped
@@WTiiWarcraft Yeah, but more explanation of why is each so good or bad could've been said.
For example... why is the Naga Sea -Bi- Witch so good ? She has nice abilities, but S tier ??
@@Winnetou17 The Naga Sea Witch is one of the best secondary Heroes. She is incredibly complimentary for locking down opponents you are focusing with Frost Arrows (slow them down) & has burst damage when required with Forked Lightning.
She also gets great stat ratios per level too, so her damage is very respectable.
@@WTiiWarcraft Thank you!
Am i wrong or he didn’t say anything about the crypt lord?
he just said that he thought he was underrated then said nothing else.
Wish you gave explanations while making the list instead of taking the lazy path while making
Please do a unit tier list! :D
What is this map called?
far seer not as good as other a tiers. Wolf control finnicky and chain lightning costs too much mana. His auto is good.
Blood mage can be very good as 2nd or 3rd. If level 3+ A or S tier.
Pala & Tyrande one tier higher from where they are.
Agree with others.
Demon hunter and warden can fight whole armies
Death Knight is not that good. Vital to the Undead, yes. But his ulti is trash and death pact, while very good, rarely used until coil and aura are maxed out. Real GOD heroes are DH (he has no business doing in A tier) and AM.
Whilst your points are fair, they are from a Hero vs Hero basis.
If it was only level 10 Heroes against one another, then the DK would fair worse.
But this is based off 1v1 gameplay, and there the Death Knight reigns supreme, he is picked about 95% of the time if not more & has a massive influence on the power of Undead against all opponents, hence his rating.
Pally devotion underrated
Lavalord at the btm? Nah fam.
Why is blood mage on C
No F tier
"let's make S+!"
Next video:
"Right then, let's rank these units between S tier, S+, S Mega, S Ultra S x Infinity no take backs, goSu tier"
Mk was s before the thunder clap nerf
Grave injustice to the Beast Master. Literally the Champion of the Horde!
Swap Tc dh with naga sh, pala a teir, and seems about right :P
BM and Paladin undercut
Mountain king is the best , pit load is worst .
I actually suprised the rank s death knight really...? I enjoy watching video
4v4/6v6 ranking pls