Grubby theres a creator that Im sure you are aware of called winter for starcraft 2. He has a series called the low apm challenge where shows how to play each race as a complete beginner. He specifically talks about what you should do as a beginner and what you should not even worry about even if it is important and commonly done by better players. I don't know if you would have fun making something like that but its what got me to actually play PvP starcraft. Maybe it would be a good idea for a series of videos. Edit He starts a smurf accout and plays against people but he measures and trys to use as little apm as possible to show how a new player would go about trying to win
There are others in sc2 who do that like PiG, but I think all of them have a lot of experience with coahcing low level and beginer players, experience that are neccesary and I don't think grubby has. Also there just isn't enough audience for that, the wc3 playerbase is soooooo much smaller, it is not comperable and there are very few new players coming in, so it just wouldn't worth it
Grubby has brought meaning to this game for me, to me WC3 was just building and training every unit and going to huge battles with them, and also the storyline, but all these layers of micro and macro skills make it all so interesting, and the combination of troops and heroes. I'll revisit the game for sure
After playing RoC campaigns back in early 2003, before TFT was out yet, I want to play online and was like: "Wait, what do I play?". There's a peon portrait on my profile and was like: "Oh, that'll do".
Your editor is awesome. The black and white cutscene with the death knight and siege tanks and necropolis was so unnecessary but made the video so much better 😂
Would love a vid that dives into when each race can set the pace. You mentioned here that as Orc that you can only really set the pace against Undead, and effectively that Human and Night Elves set the pace against Orc. A vid covering that, maybe with a chart for a visual would be really interesting and useful.
I don't know why people don't like mirrors, I always been a huge mirror fan. My favorite match ups where (both when it came to playing and watching): #1 Human vs Humans #2 Humans vs Orc #3 Human vs Undead #4 Undead vs Undead #5 Orc vs Orc #6 Orc vs Undead
100% agree about the importance of the best mirror matchup consideration. I loved playing Terran in sc2 because even tvt has tons of cool big moments with tanks blowing up infantry. ❤
that number 1 spot, i kinda knew that would happen here, but it was still fun to listen to everything you said and your perspective on the games match ups :)
Orc is probably m yfavorite to play but I love the atmosphere of playing UD. Kind of reminds me of Heroes of Might and Magic 3 necromancer play where you feel like you're growing power every battle like a point gaining system. Of course the campaign where you start raising liches with the artifact. In HOMM3 necromancer is broken though so when you play competitive you take a huge nerf to play them.
undead vs. undead sucks even on a casual level. I remember one time where I was playing one of the warchiefs campaign scenarios and there was that beautiful, extremely fun and engagin moment where I was basically watching 2 undead armies on a blight whale at each other for 10 minutes straight without either army making any progress, like ... *at all* . I eventually ended up winning because ... well ... its the campaign, lol. But it is honestly hilarious how two undead armies are literally incabable of killing each other through the healing of blight + DK + statues, the constant summoning of skeletons and every friggin unit having at least one other ability that can help them stay alive (ghouls and abominations can eat, fiends can burrow, gargoyles can just casually fly away and heal up in statue form, ... and every single time something actually dies, thats another two skeletons in your face)
Bit of an out there question, could you make a quick analysis in the how the meta for Reign of Chaos was? No tavern, no shop aside from the neutral ones, and even armor advantages being switched around sounds insane, but I don't know to what extent it affected people's plays, as well as lacking the knowledge we have about that version in 2024. I think it would make for a very interesting video. I love your content, keep it up!
Today, Grubby: 4 races, so it's 16 matchups. Tomorrow, Blizzard: we make a hard decigion, implement to a game balance from map called "23 races" Grubby: ok, so it's 529 matchups, prepare for a long video.
@@theMichaelFFF Because your logic to wanting it to simply is exactly what brought people to think there were 10 matchups in chat. Randomly throwing formulas only works if you understand the situation and I guarantee that your 4by4 will always get counterargumented by one of those guys
@@Luca48882 no, lol. Those people who get 10 understand situation superior to yours. They just missundestand Grabby about "A vs B" and "B vs A' counts as different matchups.
@@theMichaelFFF Jesus. It's funny when you pretend like you're smarter but you fail so hard to understand the situation that you're wrong, just like the guys who said 10 were. Random highschool formulas don't work if you're so full of yourself. The fact they misunderstood means they randomly threw a formula thinking they're right without considering and they did it because they thought they were smarter just by knowing such a common idea. But they were wrong. So no, they were wrong. Fullstop. And so you are. You're saying that you, like them, are not wrong but you only are because of x. That's not how logic works
Yeah I personally am also not a big fan of mirrors, most of the time they're not nearly as interesting as other matchups, no matter the game/genre. Since I was a kid the thought of a mirror matchup has given me the "bored" debuff.
I tried playing WC3 I'm just awful it looks easy when I watch you play but my execution is just terrible I lost to silvermoon undead campaign mission. :(
True that, I dislike mirrors in general because it's a sort of self-reflection, no pun intended. And I'm not always ready to see how crappy I am with the race/faction the other guy is also using. lol Can't cope and blame the faction differences in this case.
I despise the mirror so much that I've been a 2v2 player since 2003, just to lower the chances to have a perfect mirror. Still, 2 undead vs 2 undead can happen. But still better than 1v1 ud to my taste.
I came back to this came not too long ago, I'm still pretty bad at it. However I decided to play NE because I like Panda and Panda goes well with NE lol
So cool that it is based ob your enjoyment of the matchups and not the balance! Tho the balance still play a huge role in enjoyment 😁 How about WC3 “Era’s” tierlist? Like when you enjoyed WC3 the most and the least, like 2000’s 2010’s 2020’s and maybe devided by patches or esports eras? 🤔
So for undead versus undead matchup It's a mirror match in a mirror match up so both sides use the same heros and units where in other mirror there will be different unit and hero openings
I had an idea that is genius or trash, you should take an iconic match from WC3 history, and have the first half of the video be watching the replay and the second half be the top 10 most important decisions made by the players according to Grubby, its basically infinite tier lists if you think about it
10:38 That right there is why I stopped playing regular 1vs1 skirms and swapped entirely to Community maps like Arenas, DOTA, PredNPrey, etc. Spellbreakers absolutely ruined the Human game for me, and in 2004-05, they were nearly a third of all the opposing forces I encountered, especially in Human vs Human for exactly the reasons you stated. Spellbreaker spam is so. Damn. BORING.
same, I played both starcrafts and warcraft3 and there wasn't a single mirror I liked in any of them. They are (almost) always boring, one dimensional and very snowbally
Love the videos! Going to use this to prep my matchups. Small bit of feedback for the editor - the slow zoom is very distracting. Should be very minor or no transition at all to a full face shot, look at Ludwig videos as reference.
I also have a hard time believing that OvN is enjoyable 🤣🤣🤣 but that's because i tapped out of following WAR3 for like 10+ years. All I remember is Talons vs Walkers where NE has like no damage beside the DH and Samuro is perma spinning. The only thing that actually move healthbars is Cairne wave.
17:28 The least favorite race to play worldwide…Too much skill required and no op units such as Siege Engines, Spellbreakers, Knights, Fiery Dragons, Druids of the Claw, Bat Riders.
Recently there's been a SC2 mod that adds in the SC1 races. Do you think theres a place for a similar mod for WC3, adding WC2 / WC1 humans and orcs? Or even another SC2 mod that (somehow) adds in WC3 races and mechanics? Now that'd be real silly.
Do you also enjoy if you get a mental edge over the other player with trash talk and the oppo gets tilted that way? Or is it more satisfying via gameplay? For me it is definetly the second one
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_"I'm only Human"_
No, you're Orc.
How dare Manuel misgender Grubby! >:(
no snek impressions in this video?
"I am not addicted to rankings. I can stop whenever I want."
Grubby probably
Ranking of Grubby's rankings when?
please never stop.
"I now get why content creators do tier lists and rankings"
The world champion difference is that Grubby's opinion has value.
Its a way to make money, dont think hes doing this for fun.
@@stevepwn at least you are having fun making comments on the internet. That’s all that matters!
"I enjoy all these matchups! It's a list of winners! ... starting at UD vs UD, which sucks ass, literally hell, hate everything about it..."
Units from mercenary camps tier list pls
you know this will come inevitably
Best color tier list when? One for each race
Exactly
I'm still waiting for snacks tier list, for race-wise playing.
this is wild out of wc3 context
White->SS
Yellow->B
Brown->D
@@valentinsvyatchenko8416did you scauvvel your skröppel this year?
Ranking mercs, we need it Grubby (legitimately wanna know which ones are worth it aside from golem and healer)
let me uess, te slow olem?
All mercs are beter than unupgraded avarage units, but they don't have grades so become useless in late game.
Best merc is zeppelin
@@leoncorgi2919 *best neutral unit. He's not a merc.
@@leoncorgi2919 well true if we count all neutrals
but i need to hear it out of Grubby‘s mouth
Tierlist of voices and voicelines quality and originality of units and heroes
Grubby theres a creator that Im sure you are aware of called winter for starcraft 2. He has a series called the low apm challenge where shows how to play each race as a complete beginner. He specifically talks about what you should do as a beginner and what you should not even worry about even if it is important and commonly done by better players. I don't know if you would have fun making something like that but its what got me to actually play PvP starcraft. Maybe it would be a good idea for a series of videos. Edit He starts a smurf accout and plays against people but he measures and trys to use as little apm as possible to show how a new player would go about trying to win
There are others in sc2 who do that like PiG, but I think all of them have a lot of experience with coahcing low level and beginer players, experience that are neccesary and I don't think grubby has. Also there just isn't enough audience for that, the wc3 playerbase is soooooo much smaller, it is not comperable and there are very few new players coming in, so it just wouldn't worth it
"i dont play undead because i like a pleasant, happy atmosphere"
Meanwhile orcs: BLOOD AND THUNDER, BONES AND SPIKES, WAR DRUMS AND DIRT, ROAR!!!
😂
yeh but it feels very alive.
But they’re so darn happy about it!
Undead: Life is meaningless
Orc: Make ur life matter
@@DrownedLamp Nihilist versus existentialist matchup?
@@TheCJRhodes have you ever listened to peons?
I always liked HU vs HU. It's fair, and you get to bring in militia and watch everyone hack away. Clink clink.
Have you forgotten that Breakers are a unit?
@@zekko5 But I love breakers. Why wouldn't I?
@@oscarl.3563 A LOT of people find breaker mirrors boring. but if you like them, more power to you, I'm glad you enjoy them!
Grubby has brought meaning to this game for me, to me WC3 was just building and training every unit and going to huge battles with them, and also the storyline, but all these layers of micro and macro skills make it all so interesting, and the combination of troops and heroes. I'll revisit the game for sure
After playing RoC campaigns back in early 2003, before TFT was out yet, I want to play online and was like: "Wait, what do I play?". There's a peon portrait on my profile and was like: "Oh, that'll do".
grubby's tier list are great, so much informations
Your editor is awesome. The black and white cutscene with the death knight and siege tanks and necropolis was so unnecessary but made the video so much better 😂
Grubby: I just want to do mischievous things.
Would love a vid that dives into when each race can set the pace. You mentioned here that as Orc that you can only really set the pace against Undead, and effectively that Human and Night Elves set the pace against Orc. A vid covering that, maybe with a chart for a visual would be really interesting and useful.
I come for the information about a game i like, but i STAY for grubby contemplating the presence of evil in his own heart.
Tier list of ALL UNITS
"Just do whatever makes you happy, son"
"Thanks, Dad! I'm gonna play video games professionally then!"
"Wait no, not that!"
Tier list next for the tier lists uploaded so far. Your favorite ones etc.
I grew up just playing custom games because melee was too much for me. But your vids have gotten me to start testing the waters with melee vs bots!
Top X "annoyed" voice lines tier list. If not for all, you mad lad. lol
Ranking hero abilites (with or without ulties) would be cool!
Look at all the Rs in chat going "iTs OnLy 10 mAtChUpsS". Stored and recorded for the eternity to see.
6:40 I remember that story and loved that a lot!
Realized your family has been your best and greatest coach that led you to such legendary player!
Grubby, I love that you are a fellow Tolkien enjoyer 😂
Your references and humor are great!
Im waiting for ranking of the all Grubs ranking videos, it will be legendary
For me, all my most hated match-ups for literally all RTSes are always going to be mirror matches. The fun of RTS comes from asymmetry of armies.
I don't know why people don't like mirrors, I always been a huge mirror fan. My favorite match ups where (both when it came to playing and watching):
#1 Human vs Humans
#2 Humans vs Orc
#3 Human vs Undead
#4 Undead vs Undead
#5 Orc vs Orc
#6 Orc vs Undead
It might be way too long, BUT... Tier list for neutral camps please!!!
Aura tier list? Items and abilities. Ranked by utility, strength, and versatility
I don't have space in my brain for remembering any of this but it does give me the good tingles on my insides because it's a big part of my childhood
Your FFA match of UD heros vs UD wyrms was the greatest thing ever in WC3 history
Logan dreaming in the background is such a cutie
I require a tower tierlist.
All 8 of them.
Hate to be the well ackshually guy, but "eschew" is pronounced "eshoo" -- but I say this as someone who also mispronounced it for a very long time.
100% agree about the importance of the best mirror matchup consideration. I loved playing Terran in sc2 because even tvt has tons of cool big moments with tanks blowing up infantry. ❤
human vs night elf has always been the most entertaining for me as a viewer.
Always seemed to be the most versatile matchup.
that number 1 spot, i kinda knew that would happen here, but it was still fun to listen to everything you said and your perspective on the games match ups :)
The best spectate is anything with grubby or happy in it
Oh course! Who'd expect the best orc of all time to have orc mirror as top 1 matchup. (theoretically 100% winrate)
Grubby for Warcraft is like Thoorin for the rest Counter strike in historical aspect.
>posts my most beloved matchup at rank 16
Merchant and drop items plz, maybe with racial shop items as well. 2 hours, let's go! :D
Orc is probably m yfavorite to play but I love the atmosphere of playing UD. Kind of reminds me of Heroes of Might and Magic 3 necromancer play where you feel like you're growing power every battle like a point gaining system.
Of course the campaign where you start raising liches with the artifact.
In HOMM3 necromancer is broken though so when you play competitive you take a huge nerf to play them.
Critter Tierlist
undead vs. undead sucks even on a casual level.
I remember one time where I was playing one of the warchiefs campaign scenarios and there was that beautiful, extremely fun and engagin moment where I was basically watching 2 undead armies on a blight whale at each other for 10 minutes straight without either army making any progress, like ... *at all* .
I eventually ended up winning because ... well ... its the campaign, lol. But it is honestly hilarious how two undead armies are literally incabable of killing each other through the healing of blight + DK + statues, the constant summoning of skeletons and every friggin unit having at least one other ability that can help them stay alive (ghouls and abominations can eat, fiends can burrow, gargoyles can just casually fly away and heal up in statue form, ... and every single time something actually dies, thats another two skeletons in your face)
The same for 2vs2 would be cool. i really enjoyed 2vs2 back in the days
Top 5 or top 3Players for each race over the last 20 years?
I love love to hear grubby talk about pro players and how they evolve wc3
Bit of an out there question, could you make a quick analysis in the how the meta for Reign of Chaos was? No tavern, no shop aside from the neutral ones, and even armor advantages being switched around sounds insane, but I don't know to what extent it affected people's plays, as well as lacking the knowledge we have about that version in 2024. I think it would make for a very interesting video.
I love your content, keep it up!
Nothing feels better than using high level coilnova ❄
Awesome list! Please continue doing them. Your videos rock!
I can't wait for a tierlist tierlist at the end of the year
Today, Grubby: 4 races, so it's 16 matchups.
Tomorrow, Blizzard: we make a hard decigion, implement to a game balance from map called "23 races"
Grubby: ok, so it's 529 matchups, prepare for a long video.
4 mirrors that you can't count twice and then it's 1vs the other 3 repeated 4 times from each perspective. Not that hard to understand
@@Luca48882 it's way easier to understand: 4x4=16. You decided to count mirrors separatly and make it harder. Why?
@@theMichaelFFF Because your logic to wanting it to simply is exactly what brought people to think there were 10 matchups in chat. Randomly throwing formulas only works if you understand the situation and I guarantee that your 4by4 will always get counterargumented by one of those guys
@@Luca48882 no, lol. Those people who get 10 understand situation superior to yours. They just missundestand Grabby about "A vs B" and "B vs A' counts as different matchups.
@@theMichaelFFF Jesus. It's funny when you pretend like you're smarter but you fail so hard to understand the situation that you're wrong, just like the guys who said 10 were. Random highschool formulas don't work if you're so full of yourself. The fact they misunderstood means they randomly threw a formula thinking they're right without considering and they did it because they thought they were smarter just by knowing such a common idea. But they were wrong. So no, they were wrong. Fullstop. And so you are. You're saying that you, like them, are not wrong but you only are because of x. That's not how logic works
Yeah I personally am also not a big fan of mirrors, most of the time they're not nearly as interesting as other matchups, no matter the game/genre.
Since I was a kid the thought of a mirror matchup has given me the "bored" debuff.
Do a tier list of your warcraft 3 tier list videos
Buildings tier list!! Would be cool if it was all races in 1 list so we could easily compare between the races
I tried playing WC3 I'm just awful it looks easy when I watch you play but my execution is just terrible I lost to silvermoon undead campaign mission. :(
True that, I dislike mirrors in general because it's a sort of self-reflection, no pun intended. And I'm not always ready to see how crappy I am with the race/faction the other guy is also using. lol
Can't cope and blame the faction differences in this case.
Honestly you're vids game me inspiration some month ago to reinstall WC3, and been playing since! albeit custom games such as Direct Strike
26:50
Very important moment
Must watch
Undead vs Undead is tricky in other games as well. Something about the nature of undead abilities in fantasy makes it just not work in mirror
24:45 - I grubbed so hard
Surprised to see Human v Orc above Orc v Human and NE v Orc above Orc v NE.
Thought Grubby would prefer to play Orc above all else.
I fully approve of the tier list Grubby era
Grubby! Item tier list!
10:49 ....Great advice!
Tierlist two of requesting a WC3 Tierlist Tierlist once you run out of Ideas Grubby. Rank your tierlists on a tierlist. Maybe April fools next year?
I always felt that night Elf definitely had a kind of "counter" feeling against Orc
I despise the mirror so much that I've been a 2v2 player since 2003, just to lower the chances to have a perfect mirror. Still, 2 undead vs 2 undead can happen. But still better than 1v1 ud to my taste.
Tierlist of tierlists next
I came back to this came not too long ago, I'm still pretty bad at it. However I decided to play NE because I like Panda and Panda goes well with NE lol
A quick race soundtrack tier list would be fun
I need a tier list of items to hold. ❤ thank you
So cool that it is based ob your enjoyment of the matchups and not the balance! Tho the balance still play a huge role in enjoyment 😁
How about WC3 “Era’s” tierlist? Like when you enjoyed WC3 the most and the least, like 2000’s 2010’s 2020’s and maybe devided by patches or esports eras? 🤔
Death sounds for units time 😂😊
So for undead versus undead matchup It's a mirror match in a mirror match up so both sides use the same heros and units where in other mirror there will be different unit and hero openings
Orc vs human bringing sky flashbacks no doubt.
Orc is fun. I like Orc.
I had an idea that is genius or trash, you should take an iconic match from WC3 history, and have the first half of the video be watching the replay and the second half be the top 10 most important decisions made by the players according to Grubby, its basically infinite tier lists if you think about it
Soundtrack tier list
Items tier list
Yes, it's a must
Can we have a Warcry tierlist?
10:38 That right there is why I stopped playing regular 1vs1 skirms and swapped entirely to Community maps like Arenas, DOTA, PredNPrey, etc.
Spellbreakers absolutely ruined the Human game for me, and in 2004-05, they were nearly a third of all the opposing forces I encountered, especially in Human vs Human for exactly the reasons you stated. Spellbreaker spam is so. Damn. BORING.
I wonder if you ever played the demo which only had orc with only far seer hero
Tier list of critters please
"I do enjoy it, but it's the worst"
I noticed that I hate mirror matches in all the games I've ever played
same, I played both starcrafts and warcraft3 and there wasn't a single mirror I liked in any of them. They are (almost) always boring, one dimensional and very snowbally
"Duck Ranger"
53:13 LoL, thank you Blizzard…
If you could create a unit from scratch for any faction, what would you make? Or would you make a neutral unit?
you need a tier list of unit you can beat on a fight, sure you can beat a kodo no?
Love the videos! Going to use this to prep my matchups. Small bit of feedback for the editor - the slow zoom is very distracting. Should be very minor or no transition at all to a full face shot, look at Ludwig videos as reference.
I also have a hard time believing that OvN is enjoyable 🤣🤣🤣 but that's because i tapped out of following WAR3 for like 10+ years.
All I remember is Talons vs Walkers where NE has like no damage beside the DH and Samuro is perma spinning.
The only thing that actually move healthbars is Cairne wave.
Ranking Critters when ??
we need a tier list of tier lists
Grubby is mirror enjoyer *gasp*
17:28 The least favorite race to play worldwide…Too much skill required and no op units such as Siege Engines, Spellbreakers, Knights, Fiery Dragons, Druids of the Claw, Bat Riders.
Recently there's been a SC2 mod that adds in the SC1 races. Do you think theres a place for a similar mod for WC3, adding WC2 / WC1 humans and orcs?
Or even another SC2 mod that (somehow) adds in WC3 races and mechanics? Now that'd be real silly.
Do you also enjoy if you get a mental edge over the other player with trash talk and the oppo gets tilted that way? Or is it more satisfying via gameplay? For me it is definetly the second one
Best 4v4race, or some 4v4 guides /content. Im noob i only play 4v4!