This is awesome. Thanks! Tiny (I think) correction for the description: the edit that appeared on the 2005 Singles release is based on the original 1963 ('87), not 1963-94. I listened to them both closely and that's what my ears are telling me. So, even better that yours too is based on Substance, basically fixing the dynamic range issues while working from the same original track that the 2005 version was edited from. I also agree with you, the shorter edit keeps the tension up at the end of the song. (Update since original comment: I think I'm actually mistaken here, and the 2005 edit is in fact based on 1963-94.)
@@Isi-1975 I'll be curious to hear what you find! The audio mix differences between '87 and '94 are subtle, and comparing a different part of the song since I commented, I'm no longer as confident in my findings -- I think the tell is in the chorus, in '87, there's a bit more reverb on his vocals that I don't hear in '94...or the 2005 Singles Edit. So I might have been wrong. In any case, I like your edit. Let me know what part of the song you think indicates it most clearly!
@@ivanx_nyc I think the big question is whether the huge sound of the 2005 edit is down purely to massive compression of the 1987 original, or if the clean sound of the 94 remix was compressed a bit further on the 2005 mix. I've wondered for years if there really was more than one edit done of the 1994 remix. But given that a unique edit of the Confusion rough mix also appeared on the Singles album, I'm leaning towards thinking you're right, and London Records simply went back to the original and did a new edit, but went overboard with the compression. That singles compilation was a record company cash in and the numerous issues with it suggests it was a rush job, especially coming so soon after Waiting for the Sirens' Call
I think for me the differences are found in the kick and the snare. It sounds like there's a lot more space in the mix in the 87 version to hear the tone of the kick and snare. The snare is also very mid-80s, the 94 mix sounds a lot richer, and this richer sound is present on the '05 mix. I thought I could also hear more deep synth tones during the chorus on the 87 version, but I think they're present in all mixes, again the 87 mix sounds the least compressed.
Yea the singles release is based on the 94 version the 2005 singles not the reissue. Which I wish we got a better quality 94 extended, two there are several differences between 94 and the 87 release. At least in the versions the vocals are more distant and sound like he's in an auditorium in the 87 version where as the 94 release sounds like he's talking to you and his vocals have been narrowed down. In the 94 release there's subtle instrumentals at to it, subtle ticking in the left channel. Deeper guitars and slightly faster vocals as they are different from the other versions he sings, the synth in the 87 version are more standout in the 94 version. Truthfully of all the versions of 1963 I listen to I love the 94 dance version way better even though it is compressed to heck, I ordered the version of singles 2005 and got it. Maybe AI can remaster it someday. I ordered that along with the UK version of the best of for the 94 edit of true faith.
I never listened so closely before, but I swear I can hear two guitar lines, one is doubling the high synth stabs and the other (or is that Hooky?) is picking along with the bass
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Thank you from Latvia. This version is brilliant! 😍
Thank you from Germany.
This is awesome. Thanks! Tiny (I think) correction for the description: the edit that appeared on the 2005 Singles release is based on the original 1963 ('87), not 1963-94. I listened to them both closely and that's what my ears are telling me. So, even better that yours too is based on Substance, basically fixing the dynamic range issues while working from the same original track that the 2005 version was edited from. I also agree with you, the shorter edit keeps the tension up at the end of the song. (Update since original comment: I think I'm actually mistaken here, and the 2005 edit is in fact based on 1963-94.)
That's a really good observation. I'll have to listen again to see if you're right. 👍
@@Isi-1975 I'll be curious to hear what you find! The audio mix differences between '87 and '94 are subtle, and comparing a different part of the song since I commented, I'm no longer as confident in my findings -- I think the tell is in the chorus, in '87, there's a bit more reverb on his vocals that I don't hear in '94...or the 2005 Singles Edit. So I might have been wrong. In any case, I like your edit. Let me know what part of the song you think indicates it most clearly!
@@ivanx_nyc I think the big question is whether the huge sound of the 2005 edit is down purely to massive compression of the 1987 original, or if the clean sound of the 94 remix was compressed a bit further on the 2005 mix.
I've wondered for years if there really was more than one edit done of the 1994 remix. But given that a unique edit of the Confusion rough mix also appeared on the Singles album, I'm leaning towards thinking you're right, and London Records simply went back to the original and did a new edit, but went overboard with the compression. That singles compilation was a record company cash in and the numerous issues with it suggests it was a rush job, especially coming so soon after Waiting for the Sirens' Call
I think for me the differences are found in the kick and the snare. It sounds like there's a lot more space in the mix in the 87 version to hear the tone of the kick and snare. The snare is also very mid-80s, the 94 mix sounds a lot richer, and this richer sound is present on the '05 mix. I thought I could also hear more deep synth tones during the chorus on the 87 version, but I think they're present in all mixes, again the 87 mix sounds the least compressed.
Yea the singles release is based on the 94 version the 2005 singles not the reissue.
Which I wish we got a better quality 94 extended, two there are several differences between 94 and the 87 release.
At least in the versions the vocals are more distant and sound like he's in an auditorium in the 87 version where as the 94 release sounds like he's talking to you and his vocals have been narrowed down.
In the 94 release there's subtle instrumentals at to it, subtle ticking in the left channel. Deeper guitars and slightly faster vocals as they are different from the other versions he sings, the synth in the 87 version are more standout in the 94 version.
Truthfully of all the versions of 1963 I listen to I love the 94 dance version way better even though it is compressed to heck, I ordered the version of singles 2005 and got it. Maybe AI can remaster it someday.
I ordered that along with the UK version of the best of for the 94 edit of true faith.
I never listened so closely before, but I swear I can hear two guitar lines, one is doubling the high synth stabs and the other (or is that Hooky?) is picking along with the bass