Matt Booty Talked about Perfect Dark this year, he Said That development is progressing well and he was excited to show some gameplay in the coming months
Sometimes the issue isn't "development hell" so much as the game being announced before they've even started working on it. Cyberpunk 2077 was announced nearly 5 years before it actually entered full production.
0:54 Metroid Prime 4 3:20 Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time Remake 5:15 Skull & Bones 9:20 Hytale 11:30 Genshin Impact for the Nintendo Switch 12:57 Perfect Dark 18:34 TimeSplitters 4 23:44 Star Wars Eclipse 26:38 Beyond Good and Evil 2 32:52 Fable 4 38:38 Ark 2 40:44 Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League 42:25 The Elder Scrolls VI 45:46 Bioshock: 4 47:41 Titanfall 3 49:03 The Last of Us 2: Multiplayer 50:48 S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2 52:18 Dragon Age: Dreadwolf 53:17 Anthem Next 53:54 Grand Theft Auto: VI 55:50 Half-Life 56:45 Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora
All those games and you missed the elephant in the room. Cloud Imperium Games, Star Citizen/Squadron 42. Over 10 years in development and $500M+ and still haven't pushed out a full release.
was anyone realy thinking that that game would ever come out? It is a live time project (and i don´t talk about the live time of the developers but their grand grand grand kids)
Beyond Good & Evil 2 was only shown to bolster their portfolio so they wouldn’t get bought out like the CEO’s brother’s company did. They had a whole “We are Ubisoft and we aren’t going anywhere” during that E3 presentation due the threat of them possibly losing shareholders and being sold off. Like you said the inverse happened with Bethesda where their value shot up with the “sequel to Skyrim.”
Havent seen the vid yet but ES6 isnt in development hell, they have literally told us it wasnt gonna be worked on till after starfield. Its only now entering active development from being in preproduction.
@@cookieface80 I mean maybe they SHOULD work on 1 game at a time seeing how starfield turned out. Better to have a good game come out every few years then making multiple bad games in a few years.
@@cookieface80 Star field was my example that maybe Bethesda can't handle working on more then 1 game at a time. Granted I can see why you'd think it was suppose to be a example of a GOOD game but that wasn't my intention. Star field is decent, and only decent, it isn't a good game.
Even that's starting to be dubious. Sure, gameplay vids are better, but bullshots and gussied up, max pc spec'd previews are like magic shows. It just take a better eye to tell who's a magician and who's a charlatan. And we be seeing a LOT of shenanigans since Alien's Colonial Marines and Anthem.
Mother 3 was in development Hell as it went from the N64DD to the regular N64 and then finally the GBA and spent about 10 years in development Hell before it released.
I’m a little bit late, but the part when you mentioned how Fortnite easily upgraded to unreal engine 5 without a “reboot” is because epic games owns unreal engine 5 so they understand it because they made and own it
No game has ever filled the Timesplitters-shaped hole in my heart since Future Perfect. There's not even something online to go back to, just Dolphin emulations. I just want a new Timesplitters. I have been waiting half of my life.
Sometimes a new game can replace a decent margin of what we miss from older games, but there has not been anything quite like timesplitters. I usually prefer Solo/campaign but that franchise had a damn fun multiplayer that was just as fun as the single player and challenges. Getting 100% on them was satisfying and motivating. Running around getting shot by a running duck or a damn dinosaur was hilarious and fun.
Having finally played partly through the second one I think it was, not happening. The entire game inside and out, characters, writing, gameplay style, mechanics are a product of philosophies that don't exist anymore. They were forced and bullied out of the game industry so we're stuck with micro transaction slop.
I haven't finished the video. TES 6 does not count. All they did was say "Yes we will make it" to stop people from always asking and wondering where it is. If I say "I'm going to make a chocolate cake sometime in the future," then make 3 Strawberry cakes, that doesn't I'm having a hard time making a chocolate cake, it means I haven't gotten to it yet. Starfield just came out. Let it get its DLC then start asking about TES 6. But none of that matters because im sure you know that. Its in the thumbnail for clickbait, and the pinned comment is there to drive engagement, all im doing is exactly what you want. Edit: I just watched the TES 6 part of this video. The house analogy does not fit because the game itself, or its development, is not on fire. Going back to cakes because im fat. If the estimated time to make a cake is 30 minutes but i take 1 hour and its still not finished, thats development hell. i dont have the right ingredients, my oven doesnt work, and theres shit flyin all over the place. And when i finally do finish it, half of it isnt even frosted. Me fucking up that strawberry cake doesnt automatically make my next strawberry cake or the chocolate cake after, shit.
Gta 6 is the same way its not in development hell rockstar never made a promise to release they just said they are working on it when the leaks hit rockstar was forced to announce
Will make a slight addition with the cake point. There might be only one oven to bake and prepare said cakes, though ingredients can still be prepped while cooking through the previous strawberry cake (Pre-Production) I think the biggest sin really was sharing with the world that a high-production teaser was made for the stinger at the end of their line-up; and while it had been years since Skyrim came out that time, this was the first piece of information to come out for a continuation of the franchise ‘in-house’ (Have to make that distinction, because realistically ESO is the best game to fill in that break between 5 & 6) Of course, when you pull back, Bethesda was involved with numerous other titles during this time, including Pre-Production for Starfield, and around 2015 the release of Fallout 4. Also the aforementioned ESO, but I imagine a large population of the fan base hadn’t tried it, like myself.
Can't wait. With the way the gaming industry has been, I'll probably see a remaster of Wii Sports with microtransactions to buy different bowling balls and tennis rackets.
Skull and Bones' issue seems to be that they shipped off a load of Western devs to Singapore to make this game but then made the deal with the Singaporean govt so replaced them with locals. But cause Ubi is a terrible company to work for the locals have a massive rate of churn. When all your devs never last longer than 3 months it's hard to get stuff done. That's getting the Western lead dev people wanting to move out so the lead ends up getting replaced every year or so and every new lead comes in, sees its a mess, and wants to restart from the ground up. Solutions is simply to stop being a terrible place to work and find a lead who'll just stick with it till done so they don't constantly have to restart. None of this would've happened if they didn't make the govt deal. No matter what subsidies were offered, it's defo lost them money. As leaks suggest they're remaking AC4 now anyway, they gotta get Skull and Bones out in time to ride on its success. Seems like an ez win to salvage something from the mess.
From how i see it with GTA 6, thats exactly how RockStar is with development. They dont do like the other companies but plan out and absolutely take their time making their baby. Granted, the gap between 5 and 6 is still wider than their previous releases (even for their track record), I believe there's one thing about 5 that is the main reason why we're not seeing Gta6 for sooo long that i think EVEN RockStar didnt anticipate. And thats just how unbelievably successful and profitable GTA5 was gonna be. They're still making money off of it and it's lived through 3 seperate generations.
Can't forget Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines 2. Been in development for years on steam with only a TBA release date. Then randomly in December, it was added to the Games to Wishlist on the Play Station Store. Still says TBA though.
The elder scrolls VI does not belong here. Starfield literally just came out. The probly only just going into full development. They told us that 6 was gonna be in full development after Starfield was released. Same with GTA6, RD2 came out then they went into full GTA6 development. GTA6 just gives them extra time to work on it. Plus the leaks last year looked great.
Yeah, the way they transition from one game/topic to the next without any sort of indication can be annoying at times. It'll be like: "Ever since 2018, there's been no further word about the development of Time Splitters 4. In 2020, the developers of Beyond Good and Evil released a trailer for a sequel to their original game." Like no pause or anything in between. They jump from one topic to the next in the same sentence practically lol
Let's be honest, we know what happened to Perfect Dark, the team started by doing research into creating a corporate beurocracy... They succeeded, all hands were lost, programming is hard without hands, is also hard without money.
From an outsider looking at it, it was announced 5 years ago, with them only now entering into Pre-Production. I know the trailer was there to satisfy the demand at the time, but in the long run has probably caused an even bigger demand, and the illusion of a development hell. Additionally, with the last (BGS Elder Scrolls) game being released nearly 13 years ago, I can imagine the demand for an ES6 was larger than a FO76 or Starfield
@@sdbegotist Yeah but that was because BGS had a Fallout hard on last generation for some reason. I think most people wanted them to release TES VI instead. They could have released it last generation and still work on Starfield. Fallout is the one they have to stop caring for a long while.
Im willing to bet that since the last time we saw Suicide Sqwuad was about a year ago at Game Awards, they’ve gone back to remove all the Games as a service elements without having to completely start it over from scratch. So it will likely be similar to Gotham Knights in that regard. THere will obviously be remnants of the GaaS stuff there but itll mainly be a story driven co op shooter/brawler set in the Arkham verse
I remember going to Toyz R Us as a kid for the first and only time in my life. I spent hours playing with everything in the store until my Grandparents told me it was time to pick something. I looked around the store and had decided I wanted the Transformers bone raptor guy that I had wanted ever since the first line od toys from that series came out. As we were headed to the checkout we passed the electronics section, and there it was. The BRAND NEW N64 with the see through purple plastic shell that came with the expansion pack and the newly released Perfect Dark on the shelf next to it. I knew at that moment that was what I wanted. They told me to choose and I turned around and handed the transformer to the clerk and told him "that needs to be put back on the shelf." I have no regrets from that day.
A lot of these games are not on development hell and just in development. Just because there’s issues internally doesn’t mean it’s in development hell, that just part of anything creative.
Oh there was plenty of monetization in TLOU 1 mp but the gameplay was so damn good it didnt matter. And you only really needed to buy one or two of the dlc weapons (the bow).
I don't think it's fair to question Arks difficulty with unreal 5 on the basis that the people that made the engine didn't have issue putting their game in it, and I'm almost certain much of the development of unreal 5 had fortnite specifically in mind when doing it
Square did it with 3 games before Nintendo did: Final fantasy versus 13 (ff15), kingdom hearts 3, and ff7 remake like you said. I believe someone in square apologized for announcing one of them way too early. I think it was kh3
At least with Metroid Prime 4, it makes sense, Nintendo outsourced the project to a Chinese company & in 2019, saw the company was going absolutely nowhere, & then handed the project over to Retro Studios Then COVID happened & that shut down America for 2-3 years, so development really didn’t start until like 2023
@@jennycat0592 just watch the video first so your comment doesn’t look ignorant in retrospect. He addresses what you said in the video, so this comment is effectively useless (no offense)
There is a game that probably nobody remembers but is or was called project Awakening was announced for the ps4 back in 2017-2018 until this day I haven't heard anything. Also Deep Down by Capcom, Dragon Age IV.
Dragon Age Dreadwolf is not in development hell because despite the longer than usual development time they don't actually have any difficulty making it. The first time it was restarted was because of Anthem. The second time was because they realised that a live-service Dragon Age is a really, really bad idea. Other than that there's no indication that the development of the game isn't going smoothly.
Great video! Though I thought your research about Dragon Age: Dreadwolf was incredibly lacking. I was hoping it would be a longer part of the video because so much has been happening behind the scenes, not just a minute of mentioning that it’s in development.
Beyond good and evil 2 is so crazy to me. I was 6 when the announced it…im 23 now 💀. It’s crazy to think there’s developers who have only worked on this game and nothing else.
This. its hilarious to me that Sony bought Bungie for MP and gaas games but they already have insomniac who made arguably one of the best shooters the PS platform ever had and lets them do absolutely nothing with it.
@@docc19 if they did it right, even if itd be a reimagining itd be so cool, and they could do a horror version thatd be just terrifying in current gen graphics.
Gta 6 isnt in development hell it got announced stupid early because of the leaks rockstar wouldnt of announced it if the leaks never happened. Development hell would imply that a game was announced and promises were made rockstar never made promises for gta 6 they never gave us a release date or even a guestimate they simply said they were working on it and that was that. People kept shitting on gta 6 because of the leaked footage/screenshot the game was in early alpha then people were mad at rockstar for announcing it when they did they did so to get ahead of the leaks, their hand was forced. So anyone mad at rockstar for being quiet about gta 6 is ignorant.
Nintendo was not the first. FF15 was stated to be Restarting development back in 2013 when it was still: FFversus 13. Then came out as FF15 in 2017 lol
Some of these entries are not proper examples of "development hell". Some of these entries are simply "game was announced, but is still in development and hasn't been released yet". Like Elder Scrolls 6 and GTA 6, for example. There is literally nothing going on that suggests these titles are, or ever have been, in "development hell". Seems like this channel considers it "development hell" if a game isn't released within months of being announced. "Development hell" is when the development process faces major obstacles and hurdles which prevents a game from being actively worked on or released. And that is NOT the case with some of these entries. As I said, some of these entries are just games that are in active development and simply aren't finished yet. They never faced any major obstacles that caused them to cease development for extended periods of time. Nothing that forced them to start over development from scratch. Nothing that prevented their game from being released. Etc.
Titanfall 3 was confirmed to be cancelled. so sad. big chance Metroid Prime 4 will come out when the Switch 2 comes out next year. remember that Nintendo did release a remaster of Metroid Prime 1 a few months ago
i would like to see a perfect dark reboot or atleast a remake that be cool but for a reboot all they need to do is make it a split between a splinter cell and and a more typical fps stealth game soo sc conviction but without the third person aspect and a female protagonist maybe give it a hitman feel too with the idea of having a target that you aim to take out but do it in a first person splinter cell level disign being linear it would be a good game.
Current state of the games in this video Metroid Prime 4: no updates Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time Remake: no updates Skull & Bones: released (bad) Hytale: no updates Genshin Impact for the Nintendo Switch: no updates (probably will wait for switch succesor) Perfect Dark: no updates TimeSplitters 4: no updates Star Wars Eclipse: canceled Beyond Good and Evil 2: no updates (chaimpion of dev hell) Fable 4: no updates Ark 2: released (mixed) Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League: released (bad) The Elder Scrolls VI: no updates Bioshock: 4: no updates Titanfall 3: no updates The Last of Us 2: Multiplayer: no updates S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2: on hold until russia looses Dragon Age: Dreadwolf: no updates Anthem Next: no updates Grand Theft Auto: VI: release date 2025 Half-Life: no updates Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora: released
Another issue i found in the video is the jab at bioware, bioware doesnt do yearly releases so asuming da4 is in development hell is a stretch it was announced that was it we havent seen a lick of gameplay nor a real release date until recently by your standards mass effect 4 is in development hell because it was announced. Bioware was pulled back and forth by EA and forced to create Anthem. Andromeda wasnt horrible either making that claim is only due to the comparison to the original trilogy. Im convinced ME4 and DA4 will be fantastic because EA has chilled out and is letting bioware do what they do best which is create story based games.
please stop calling elder scrolls six the sequel to Skyrim It's not Skyrim 2, just like Skyrim wasn't Oblivion 2. Each elder scrolls game is independent, yes it builds off of the lore of the past game, but it's a completely different protagonist and setting in Tamriel each time
Not sure ES6 fits here. Its more like they weren't really working on it aside from R&D and put out a trailer way too early as their development focus was gonna be on Starfield with support on Fallout 76 and ES Online.
Prime 4 is allegedly finished and they're just waiting for the right time to release it, which isn't uncommon for Nintendo. The newest Fire Emblem was rated about two years before it came out. That right time may be as a launch window game for the next Switch as a cross gen game...
Elder Scrolls 6 and GTA 6 definitely do not count as being in development hell. Bethesda are just taking their time, and obviously waiting for better technology, same with Rockstar. The PS4 and Xbox One were not powerful consoles at all, their CPUs were way underpowered, which meant that big open world games were harder to do. Which makes sense because you look at most of them and their either had barren worlds or lacked detail like Just Cause 3, Wildlands, Fallout 4, for example, even games like Red Dead 2, it's a great game, but it's not a dense world. The game that had dense worlds like Watch Dogs 2 or Legion had cutbacks, and Cyberpunk was a buggy mess. What both TES6 and GTA6 are trying to accomplish needs more, which is where the PS5 and Xbox Series X come in, using CPUs more powerful than the average user's PC, instead of using what was entry-level PC components at the time like the PS4 and Xbox One did.
I guess we should call it Conceptual Hell... jeez, at this point, it's not struggling through the race, you're struggling through the TRAINING MONTAGE, and they're running laps TIL THIS DAY. And yet they're nice enough to let you win a race they already won years ago.
It's amazing that the Perfect Dark game had absolutely nothing done after 4 years, and starting with the basic premise already set. Now they're moving to Unreal5 which is basically means this game is never getting made.
Yeah the elder scrolls 6 isn’t in development hell they just announced that it was something they were going to be making well before it went into full development
You know what all of these have in common? Poor management and direction. When the leads don't have their goal or outline for the game in writing, you end up in this cycle of "hey, you know what would be COOL?!?!"
Not a Bethesda fan at all, but man you’re just way way way off talking about ES6. Definitely didn’t even start production until a few months ago at the earliest (excluding pre production)
I will never understand why people say that Metroid prime 4 is in development hell. It seems like Nintendo billed the game as a really slow moving project from the jump just based on their few statements. The fact that they had to “restart development” means that we’re actually counting from 2019 onward. Couple that the delays that were likely brought on by the pandemic, and were really only talking about a game that has had a maximum of 3 years in development. From that perspective, you’d have to wonder that maybe Nintendo is holding off on major development of the game because they’re also working on “switch 2” hardware. I have no doubt MP4 is coming out at some point. It just depends on when Nintendo actually wants that to happen.
I know this is engagement bait, but ES 6 isn't in dev hell. They just said they'll work on it after Starfield is finished. That's how every single game is btw.
i often don't buy it when they say that oh we just restarted development, i sometimes think that it is code for we are closing the studio involved and sorry bad luck we have cancelled the game but we just don't actually won't to say that out loud.
It seems to me like there’s a critical lack in the ability to formulate a clear direction and scope of the project, followed by an inability to keep studios and publishers committed and focused on that initial vision. It sucks because it leaves developers burnt out and frustrated, publishers in the hole for far more than the project ever could’ve aspired to earn, and fans watching their most beloved and anticipated projects go years and years without anything for their favorite franchises. The video game industry desperately needs improvements in project management
Timesplitters mannnnnn its so fun nothing is scarier than playing virus at night with friends all playing as the meat carcass person thing. Its fucking terrifying hear the cries coming after u
They made Starfield instead of ES 6, so it doesn't count. Also. GTA 6 is not in development hell. Stalker 2 and Suicide Squad had to be redesigned because of backlash. Fable 4 should have been swapped with Everwild. Titanfall 3 is not in development hell as it wasn't announced in the first place, as they make Star Wars games instead.
So…should Elder Scrolls 6 count?
Does pipeline hell = game hell?
No.
Matt Booty Talked about Perfect Dark this year, he Said That development is progressing well and he was excited to show some gameplay in the coming months
No it doesn't
Yeah I think no because really it was Starfield that took a long time to release
After Starfield? Yes.
Gollum is a quadruple A game. When you play it you scream "AAAA!"
Forgot the h
Sometimes the issue isn't "development hell" so much as the game being announced before they've even started working on it.
Cyberpunk 2077 was announced nearly 5 years before it actually entered full production.
That is beyond ridiculous.
Could say the same for ES6.
@@craigauclair4026 That game is the new Duke Nukem Forever as in it takes for fucking ever to release that it becomes an urban legend.
Bro, The Elder Scrolls VI isn't in development hell, they're just not making it yet.
Literally
Stuck trying to get ESG funding.
They have started production
Dog said to himself "how can I make this even more click bait" and changed his original thumbnail to one that is wrong
You didn’t even watch the video 💀
0:54 Metroid Prime 4
3:20 Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time Remake
5:15 Skull & Bones
9:20 Hytale
11:30 Genshin Impact for the Nintendo Switch
12:57 Perfect Dark
18:34 TimeSplitters 4
23:44 Star Wars Eclipse
26:38 Beyond Good and Evil 2
32:52 Fable 4
38:38 Ark 2
40:44 Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League
42:25 The Elder Scrolls VI
45:46 Bioshock: 4
47:41 Titanfall 3
49:03 The Last of Us 2: Multiplayer
50:48 S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2
52:18 Dragon Age: Dreadwolf
53:17 Anthem Next
53:54 Grand Theft Auto: VI
55:50 Half-Life
56:45 Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora
the real mvp
Thanks man. Idk why they can’t just put this in the description or something. You’re a g.
frontiers of pandora coming out later this year tho?
@snowarmth: Where is "Little Devil Inside"?
Pin him you coward
All those games and you missed the elephant in the room. Cloud Imperium Games, Star Citizen/Squadron 42. Over 10 years in development and $500M+ and still haven't pushed out a full release.
That's why they skipped it. Why talk about something everyone already knows?
Yeah, it’s a fraud scheme not a game.
>Builds a real life spaceship as a convention prop
"wHeRe Is AlL tHe MoNeY gOiNg?"
was anyone realy thinking that that game would ever come out? It is a live time project (and i don´t talk about the live time of the developers but their grand grand grand kids)
Chronicles of Elyria is also a game that has been In development for years
Beyond Good & Evil 2 was only shown to bolster their portfolio so they wouldn’t get bought out like the CEO’s brother’s company did. They had a whole “We are Ubisoft and we aren’t going anywhere” during that E3 presentation due the threat of them possibly losing shareholders and being sold off.
Like you said the inverse happened with Bethesda where their value shot up with the “sequel to Skyrim.”
Havent seen the vid yet but ES6 isnt in development hell, they have literally told us it wasnt gonna be worked on till after starfield. Its only now entering active development from being in preproduction.
right
Maybe this AAA company should have more than like 200 employees so they can work on more than one game at a time.
@@cookieface80 I mean maybe they SHOULD work on 1 game at a time seeing how starfield turned out. Better to have a good game come out every few years then making multiple bad games in a few years.
@@knightofblackfyre7950 "Better to have a good game come out every few years..." But you used Starfield as an example.
@@cookieface80 Star field was my example that maybe Bethesda can't handle working on more then 1 game at a time. Granted I can see why you'd think it was suppose to be a example of a GOOD game but that wasn't my intention. Star field is decent, and only decent, it isn't a good game.
Always remember, trailers show you nothing.
You need actual in-game gameplay, and let's plays in order for it to be trustworthy in the slightest.
Even that's starting to be dubious.
Sure, gameplay vids are better, but bullshots and gussied up, max pc spec'd previews are like magic shows. It just take a better eye to tell who's a magician and who's a charlatan. And we be seeing a LOT of shenanigans since Alien's Colonial Marines and Anthem.
Mother 3 was in development Hell as it went from the N64DD to the regular N64 and then finally the GBA and spent about 10 years in development Hell before it released.
I’m a little bit late, but the part when you mentioned how Fortnite easily upgraded to unreal engine 5 without a “reboot” is because epic games owns unreal engine 5 so they understand it because they made and own it
No game has ever filled the Timesplitters-shaped hole in my heart since Future Perfect. There's not even something online to go back to, just Dolphin emulations. I just want a new Timesplitters. I have been waiting half of my life.
Ts is on series x and xbox one
Sometimes a new game can replace a decent margin of what we miss from older games, but there has not been anything quite like timesplitters. I usually prefer Solo/campaign but that franchise had a damn fun multiplayer that was just as fun as the single player and challenges. Getting 100% on them was satisfying and motivating. Running around getting shot by a running duck or a damn dinosaur was hilarious and fun.
Hate to be the bearer of bad news but Free Radical, developers of Time Splitters, was shut down by Embracer Group right before Christmas.
Having finally played partly through the second one I think it was, not happening. The entire game inside and out, characters, writing, gameplay style, mechanics are a product of philosophies that don't exist anymore. They were forced and bullied out of the game industry so we're stuck with micro transaction slop.
You can tell these guys haven't played Half-Life: Alyx because it definitely addresses the elephant in the room.
Really appreciate all the detective work put into creating this - awesome video!
I haven't finished the video.
TES 6 does not count. All they did was say "Yes we will make it" to stop people from always asking and wondering where it is.
If I say "I'm going to make a chocolate cake sometime in the future," then make 3 Strawberry cakes, that doesn't I'm having a hard time making a chocolate cake, it means I haven't gotten to it yet.
Starfield just came out. Let it get its DLC then start asking about TES 6.
But none of that matters because im sure you know that. Its in the thumbnail for clickbait, and the pinned comment is there to drive engagement, all im doing is exactly what you want.
Edit: I just watched the TES 6 part of this video.
The house analogy does not fit because the game itself, or its development, is not on fire.
Going back to cakes because im fat.
If the estimated time to make a cake is 30 minutes but i take 1 hour and its still not finished, thats development hell. i dont have the right ingredients, my oven doesnt work, and theres shit flyin all over the place. And when i finally do finish it, half of it isnt even frosted.
Me fucking up that strawberry cake doesnt automatically make my next strawberry cake or the chocolate cake after, shit.
Gta 6 is the same way its not in development hell rockstar never made a promise to release they just said they are working on it when the leaks hit rockstar was forced to announce
Will make a slight addition with the cake point.
There might be only one oven to bake and prepare said cakes, though ingredients can still be prepped while cooking through the previous strawberry cake (Pre-Production)
I think the biggest sin really was sharing with the world that a high-production teaser was made for the stinger at the end of their line-up; and while it had been years since Skyrim came out that time, this was the first piece of information to come out for a continuation of the franchise ‘in-house’ (Have to make that distinction, because realistically ESO is the best game to fill in that break between 5 & 6)
Of course, when you pull back, Bethesda was involved with numerous other titles during this time, including Pre-Production for Starfield, and around 2015 the release of Fallout 4. Also the aforementioned ESO, but I imagine a large population of the fan base hadn’t tried it, like myself.
GTA 6 in dev hell? You know there’s a difference between dev hell and simply taking the time to make a good game…
Almost half of the games he listed aren't in development hell lol
you started correct and then ended dead wrong
And we just got the trailer for GTA 6
yeah, if you think twerking blacks make a good game...
Can't wait. With the way the gaming industry has been, I'll probably see a remaster of Wii Sports with microtransactions to buy different bowling balls and tennis rackets.
Considering that Nintendo don't do microtransactions that's probably never happening.
@@Aewon84Oh they absolutely do MTX and theyre the worst when they do.Have you not played their mobile titles?
@@Aewon84 Only because they're always behind the competition for online stuff.
Skull and Bones' issue seems to be that they shipped off a load of Western devs to Singapore to make this game but then made the deal with the Singaporean govt so replaced them with locals. But cause Ubi is a terrible company to work for the locals have a massive rate of churn. When all your devs never last longer than 3 months it's hard to get stuff done. That's getting the Western lead dev people wanting to move out so the lead ends up getting replaced every year or so and every new lead comes in, sees its a mess, and wants to restart from the ground up.
Solutions is simply to stop being a terrible place to work and find a lead who'll just stick with it till done so they don't constantly have to restart. None of this would've happened if they didn't make the govt deal. No matter what subsidies were offered, it's defo lost them money.
As leaks suggest they're remaking AC4 now anyway, they gotta get Skull and Bones out in time to ride on its success. Seems like an ez win to salvage something from the mess.
Why is TES 6 here? Bethesda made it clear the full production would only start after Starfield's release.
I have a "BG&E2 trailers" playlist that rewatch every now and then. What could have been...
Need that copium
If Beyond Good and Evil 2 isn't going to be like that 2008 trailer, I want no part of it. I wanted more of Jade and Peyj's story
Jade just got her head blown up in that stupid cartoon. I think it’s over.
Amazing that a list about games stuck in 'development hell' fails to mention Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines 2
From how i see it with GTA 6, thats exactly how RockStar is with development. They dont do like the other companies but plan out and absolutely take their time making their baby. Granted, the gap between 5 and 6 is still wider than their previous releases (even for their track record), I believe there's one thing about 5 that is the main reason why we're not seeing Gta6 for sooo long that i think EVEN RockStar didnt anticipate. And thats just how unbelievably successful and profitable GTA5 was gonna be. They're still making money off of it and it's lived through 3 seperate generations.
elder scrolls 6 is in real developpement is since 1 year now (yeah the png we see was just to make starfield before)
Yeah, its not in dev hell, it was just not in production while starfield was being developed
Can't forget Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines 2. Been in development for years on steam with only a TBA release date. Then randomly in December, it was added to the Games to Wishlist on the Play Station Store. Still says TBA though.
Well metroid 4 has reveal and it's wall release in 2025
The elder scrolls VI does not belong here. Starfield literally just came out. The probly only just going into full development. They told us that 6 was gonna be in full development after Starfield was released. Same with GTA6, RD2 came out then they went into full GTA6 development. GTA6 just gives them extra time to work on it. Plus the leaks last year looked great.
I think rockstar have different teams for red dead and gta if I'm not mistaken. So they could have been working on gta
There should be timestamps for the game you’re talking about. Would be greatly appreciated.
Yeah, the way they transition from one game/topic to the next without any sort of indication can be annoying at times. It'll be like: "Ever since 2018, there's been no further word about the development of Time Splitters 4. In 2020, the developers of Beyond Good and Evil released a trailer for a sequel to their original game."
Like no pause or anything in between. They jump from one topic to the next in the same sentence practically lol
There are. The video has chapters.
Let's be honest, we know what happened to Perfect Dark, the team started by doing research into creating a corporate beurocracy... They succeeded, all hands were lost, programming is hard without hands, is also hard without money.
I know you tubers are all about clickbait but How is TES VI in development hell when BGS just shipped Starfield and will continue working on DLC
From an outsider looking at it, it was announced 5 years ago, with them only now entering into Pre-Production.
I know the trailer was there to satisfy the demand at the time, but in the long run has probably caused an even bigger demand, and the illusion of a development hell.
Additionally, with the last (BGS Elder Scrolls) game being released nearly 13 years ago, I can imagine the demand for an ES6 was larger than a FO76 or Starfield
@@sdbegotist Yeah but that was because BGS had a Fallout hard on last generation for some reason. I think most people wanted them to release TES VI instead. They could have released it last generation and still work on Starfield. Fallout is the one they have to stop caring for a long while.
Im willing to bet that since the last time we saw Suicide Sqwuad was about a year ago at Game Awards, they’ve gone back to remove all the Games as a service elements without having to completely start it over from scratch. So it will likely be similar to Gotham Knights in that regard. THere will obviously be remnants of the GaaS stuff there but itll mainly be a story driven co op shooter/brawler set in the Arkham verse
I remember going to Toyz R Us as a kid for the first and only time in my life. I spent hours playing with everything in the store until my Grandparents told me it was time to pick something. I looked around the store and had decided I wanted the Transformers bone raptor guy that I had wanted ever since the first line od toys from that series came out. As we were headed to the checkout we passed the electronics section, and there it was. The BRAND NEW N64 with the see through purple plastic shell that came with the expansion pack and the newly released Perfect Dark on the shelf next to it. I knew at that moment that was what I wanted. They told me to choose and I turned around and handed the transformer to the clerk and told him "that needs to be put back on the shelf."
I have no regrets from that day.
Got into that closed beta for skull and bones, was pretty alright, hope to see a full release in the near future 👍
Did they add the ability to board enemy ships and fight in cqc? Our is it still just strictly ship combat?
@@docc19 i think there was close quarters combat.
A lot of these games are not on development hell and just in development. Just because there’s issues internally doesn’t mean it’s in development hell, that just part of anything creative.
I’m positive Bungie’s issues were that you couldn’t monetize the shit out of it & nickel and dime players
Oh there was plenty of monetization in TLOU 1 mp but the gameplay was so damn good it didnt matter. And you only really needed to buy one or two of the dlc weapons (the bow).
I don't think it's fair to question Arks difficulty with unreal 5 on the basis that the people that made the engine didn't have issue putting their game in it, and I'm almost certain much of the development of unreal 5 had fortnite specifically in mind when doing it
25:29 lmao, 2036 as a generous target is very funny. “Oh, we’ll just take at least 6 years to make this visual novel, but probably more.
How is silk song not on this list?
I'm surprised you didn't mention Playdead's third title because I hear it was hinted at back in 2017 and there's still no sign of it.
Im sorry man that perfect dark thing looks dead in the water
I believe square announced they were shifting in house development during ff7r part 1.
Square did it with 3 games before Nintendo did: Final fantasy versus 13 (ff15), kingdom hearts 3, and ff7 remake like you said. I believe someone in square apologized for announcing one of them way too early. I think it was kh3
At least with Metroid Prime 4, it makes sense, Nintendo outsourced the project to a Chinese company & in 2019, saw the company was going absolutely nowhere, & then handed the project over to Retro Studios
Then COVID happened & that shut down America for 2-3 years, so development really didn’t start until like 2023
TES 6 literally just started development, going off the thumbnail.
When is it ever a good idea to comment before watching the video??
@@EX-Flashkick that’s why I said “going off the thumbnail.”
@@jennycat0592 just watch the video first so your comment doesn’t look ignorant in retrospect. He addresses what you said in the video, so this comment is effectively useless (no offense)
My guy Elder Scrolls 6 just started development considering all hands on deck were on Starfield and you know it’s kind out weeks ago
42:49 elder scrolls 6 is NOT Skyrim 2
There is a game that probably nobody remembers but is or was called project Awakening was announced for the ps4 back in 2017-2018 until this day I haven't heard anything. Also Deep Down by Capcom, Dragon Age IV.
Dragon Age Dreadwolf is not in development hell because despite the longer than usual development time they don't actually have any difficulty making it. The first time it was restarted was because of Anthem. The second time was because they realised that a live-service Dragon Age is a really, really bad idea. Other than that there's no indication that the development of the game isn't going smoothly.
Great video! Though I thought your research about Dragon Age: Dreadwolf was incredibly lacking. I was hoping it would be a longer part of the video because so much has been happening behind the scenes, not just a minute of mentioning that it’s in development.
The elder scrolls 6 doesn't count because they didn't even start , they were developing starfield even a child can understand this how couldn't you???
Beyond good and evil 2 is so crazy to me. I was 6 when the announced it…im 23 now 💀. It’s crazy to think there’s developers who have only worked on this game and nothing else.
The Last of Us standalone multiplayer was just outright canceled
Does Goldeneye XBLA remain unreleased count for Development Hell?
I really want a resistance remaster. Resistance: fall of man was amazing back in the day
This. its hilarious to me that Sony bought Bungie for MP and gaas games but they already have insomniac who made arguably one of the best shooters the PS platform ever had and lets them do absolutely nothing with it.
@@docc19 if they did it right, even if itd be a reimagining itd be so cool, and they could do a horror version thatd be just terrifying in current gen graphics.
Beyond Good and Evil 2 has been in development longer than Duke Nukem Forever
Gta 6 isnt in development hell it got announced stupid early because of the leaks rockstar wouldnt of announced it if the leaks never happened. Development hell would imply that a game was announced and promises were made rockstar never made promises for gta 6 they never gave us a release date or even a guestimate they simply said they were working on it and that was that. People kept shitting on gta 6 because of the leaked footage/screenshot the game was in early alpha then people were mad at rockstar for announcing it when they did they did so to get ahead of the leaks, their hand was forced. So anyone mad at rockstar for being quiet about gta 6 is ignorant.
Nintendo was not the first. FF15 was stated to be Restarting development back in 2013 when it was still: FFversus 13. Then came out as FF15 in 2017 lol
How do you have a TH-cam channel based on video games and have never played any of the BioShocks.
I’ll try it soon I promise
@@RocketSloth you better😡
Every game that didn't get a sequel "the first game gotten a cult following"
Disagree with TES6, I think the teaser was just to appease people and tell us that it's coming eventually and they didn't forget about it
The teaser was to get people's attention ans make them forget Fallout 76. Todd literally admited that they showed it too early. I wonder why...
Some of these entries are not proper examples of "development hell". Some of these entries are simply "game was announced, but is still in development and hasn't been released yet". Like Elder Scrolls 6 and GTA 6, for example. There is literally nothing going on that suggests these titles are, or ever have been, in "development hell". Seems like this channel considers it "development hell" if a game isn't released within months of being announced. "Development hell" is when the development process faces major obstacles and hurdles which prevents a game from being actively worked on or released. And that is NOT the case with some of these entries. As I said, some of these entries are just games that are in active development and simply aren't finished yet. They never faced any major obstacles that caused them to cease development for extended periods of time. Nothing that forced them to start over development from scratch. Nothing that prevented their game from being released. Etc.
Nah, almost all of them aren't in development hell or even officially announced when it's from people that WANT them.
Titanfall 3 was confirmed to be cancelled.
so sad.
big chance Metroid Prime 4 will come out when the Switch 2 comes out next year. remember that Nintendo did release a remaster of Metroid Prime 1 a few months ago
i would like to see a perfect dark reboot or atleast a remake that be cool but for a reboot all they need to do is make it a split between a splinter cell and and a more typical fps stealth game soo sc conviction but without the third person aspect and a female protagonist maybe give it a hitman feel too with the idea of having a target that you aim to take out but do it in a first person splinter cell level disign being linear it would be a good game.
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Half Life Alyx did resolve the ending to Episode 2. They retconned it.
Bruh... 12:25 you showed a new iphone and then a 2011 android ? Super small detail but that shit got me laughing b
Glad to see u still making vids man
Current state of the games in this video
Metroid Prime 4: no updates
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time Remake: no updates
Skull & Bones: released (bad)
Hytale: no updates
Genshin Impact for the Nintendo Switch: no updates (probably will wait for switch succesor)
Perfect Dark: no updates
TimeSplitters 4: no updates
Star Wars Eclipse: canceled
Beyond Good and Evil 2: no updates (chaimpion of dev hell)
Fable 4: no updates
Ark 2: released (mixed)
Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League: released (bad)
The Elder Scrolls VI: no updates
Bioshock: 4: no updates
Titanfall 3: no updates
The Last of Us 2: Multiplayer: no updates
S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2: on hold until russia looses
Dragon Age: Dreadwolf: no updates
Anthem Next: no updates
Grand Theft Auto: VI: release date 2025
Half-Life: no updates
Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora: released
update this
Another issue i found in the video is the jab at bioware, bioware doesnt do yearly releases so asuming da4 is in development hell is a stretch it was announced that was it we havent seen a lick of gameplay nor a real release date until recently by your standards mass effect 4 is in development hell because it was announced. Bioware was pulled back and forth by EA and forced to create Anthem. Andromeda wasnt horrible either making that claim is only due to the comparison to the original trilogy. Im convinced ME4 and DA4 will be fantastic because EA has chilled out and is letting bioware do what they do best which is create story based games.
please stop calling elder scrolls six the sequel to Skyrim
It's not Skyrim 2, just like Skyrim wasn't Oblivion 2. Each elder scrolls game is independent, yes it builds off of the lore of the past game, but it's a completely different protagonist and setting in Tamriel each time
Not sure ES6 fits here. Its more like they weren't really working on it aside from R&D and put out a trailer way too early as their development focus was gonna be on Starfield with support on Fallout 76 and ES Online.
Prime 4 is allegedly finished and they're just waiting for the right time to release it, which isn't uncommon for Nintendo. The newest Fire Emblem was rated about two years before it came out.
That right time may be as a launch window game for the next Switch as a cross gen game...
Part of me wants to believes the Metroid Prime Remaster was just the used/unused assets from prime 4 as a test run
Nah it was just the first Prime game with better graphics.
There is more games in the same predicament. Please do a part 2!
Seeing beyond good and evil 2 made me sad 😔
Elder Scrolls 6 and GTA 6 definitely do not count as being in development hell. Bethesda are just taking their time, and obviously waiting for better technology, same with Rockstar. The PS4 and Xbox One were not powerful consoles at all, their CPUs were way underpowered, which meant that big open world games were harder to do. Which makes sense because you look at most of them and their either had barren worlds or lacked detail like Just Cause 3, Wildlands, Fallout 4, for example, even games like Red Dead 2, it's a great game, but it's not a dense world. The game that had dense worlds like Watch Dogs 2 or Legion had cutbacks, and Cyberpunk was a buggy mess. What both TES6 and GTA6 are trying to accomplish needs more, which is where the PS5 and Xbox Series X come in, using CPUs more powerful than the average user's PC, instead of using what was entry-level PC components at the time like the PS4 and Xbox One did.
Interesting how a portion of these titles have been cancelled officially or been given official releases in the last 4 months
Metroid Prime 4 is heavily rumored to be a switch 2 launch game and is nearing the final phases of development
A game has to have gone into development to be in development hell.
I guess we should call it Conceptual Hell... jeez, at this point, it's not struggling through the race, you're struggling through the TRAINING MONTAGE, and they're running laps TIL THIS DAY. And yet they're nice enough to let you win a race they already won years ago.
Hopefully none of these games end up like DNF
It's amazing that the Perfect Dark game had absolutely nothing done after 4 years, and starting with the basic premise already set. Now they're moving to Unreal5 which is basically means this game is never getting made.
Yeah the elder scrolls 6 isn’t in development hell they just announced that it was something they were going to be making well before it went into full development
You know what all of these have in common?
Poor management and direction. When the leads don't have their goal or outline for the game in writing, you end up in this cycle of "hey, you know what would be COOL?!?!"
how the fuck is es6 in develpment hell
He knew what he was doing with the clickbait thumbnail. Earned my dislike
Not a Bethesda fan at all, but man you’re just way way way off talking about ES6. Definitely didn’t even start production until a few months ago at the earliest (excluding pre production)
dlc for lego the hobbit technically isn't cancelled, I CAN"T WAIT!
Rocksteady had nothing to do with Arkham Origins, that was WB Montreal.
I will never understand why people say that Metroid prime 4 is in development hell. It seems like Nintendo billed the game as a really slow moving project from the jump just based on their few statements. The fact that they had to “restart development” means that we’re actually counting from 2019 onward. Couple that the delays that were likely brought on by the pandemic, and were really only talking about a game that has had a maximum of 3 years in development. From that perspective, you’d have to wonder that maybe Nintendo is holding off on major development of the game because they’re also working on “switch 2” hardware. I have no doubt MP4 is coming out at some point. It just depends on when Nintendo actually wants that to happen.
Genshin on switch is probably canceled now since were talking switch 2 or they just realese it on there
Can we at least all agree that an honorable mention can go to Dead Island 2 for it's hellish development cycle before finally being released?
Iirc kotor remake stuff was taken down to to music license issues, it's still moving along
Beyond Good & Evil 2 is never going to drop and even if it does, so much time has passed that it would never meet expectations
Can someone please explain why the FUCK THEY ANNOUNCE GAMES BEFORE THEY ARE MADE
Ark 2 isn’t even in development yet. The studio is working on Ark Survival Ascended first and that won’t be done until the end of 2025.
I know this is engagement bait, but ES 6 isn't in dev hell. They just said they'll work on it after Starfield is finished. That's how every single game is btw.
30:23 so if that was a seperate project, it hasn’t really broken Duke’s record
i often don't buy it when they say that oh we just restarted development, i sometimes think that it is code for we are closing the studio involved and sorry bad luck we have cancelled the game but we just don't actually won't to say that out loud.
It seems to me like there’s a critical lack in the ability to formulate a clear direction and scope of the project, followed by an inability to keep studios and publishers committed and focused on that initial vision. It sucks because it leaves developers burnt out and frustrated, publishers in the hole for far more than the project ever could’ve aspired to earn, and fans watching their most beloved and anticipated projects go years and years without anything for their favorite franchises.
The video game industry desperately needs improvements in project management
Elder Scrolls 6 doesn't count. It's not behind, they just announced it way too early. I think Todd has even admitted that.
How is that “AAAA” skull n bones going for us now🤣🚮
Timesplitters mannnnnn its so fun nothing is scarier than playing virus at night with friends all playing as the meat carcass person thing. Its fucking terrifying hear the cries coming after u
They made Starfield instead of ES 6, so it doesn't count. Also. GTA 6 is not in development hell. Stalker 2 and Suicide Squad had to be redesigned because of backlash. Fable 4 should have been swapped with Everwild. Titanfall 3 is not in development hell as it wasn't announced in the first place, as they make Star Wars games instead.
tes 6 just started development, how can it be stuck?