I went for the black version of Nitro Deck after your hands on review. No regrets, this thing is wicked! Gives a very cool aesthetic to the Switch and the functions and features are stellar. Great recommendation dude !!
Awesome man! So glad you're happy with it! 😍 I always get worried when people make purchases based on my recommendations since we all have different opinions at the end of the day! Glad you're loving it though 😁
I have the Retroflag and love it. But I bought the Nitro Deck after seeing this review. I played with the Nitro Deck for a few hours, then swapped back to the Retroflag, and immediately returned my Nitro Deck. * You must have weird alien hands as the Retroflag is a completely different league of ergonomic comfort than the Nitro Deck. The Nitro Deck felt extremely uncomfortable to use by comparison. * The ZL and ZR buttons press like analog trigger buttons. This is a dubious and downright baffling choice given that the Switch doesn't support analog triggers. The result is all the disadvantages of both analog triggers with zero benefits. Sure you can remap them to the programmable back-buttons, but you shouldn't have to. * The right analog stick, while somewhat uncomfortable on the retroflag, is even more uncomfortable on the Nitro Deck. * The vibration is over the top. I was playing Super Mario Wonder and it felt like the Nitro Deck was vibrating like mad non-stop with no rime or reason, even when I turned the vibration on light using an in-game setting. * The nitro deck is almost double the price of the retroflag (?!?!?!) In conclusion, this thing does have some pros over the retroflag, but they are very minor. For most people, get the Retroflag. :) The biggest pro the Nitro Deck seems to have is that they have a better marketing team.
The Retroflag is amazing. You're not wrong for most of that summary but I'll address each point anyway. 1. In this video I specifically say how the Retroflag is more comfortable & ergonomic, not sure on the alien hands reference lol. That's the Single issue with the Nitro Deck, if it had better ergonomics it would help that right stick placement issue too. 2. They do feel like analogue triggers, strangely the Switch DOES support analogue triggers but there's only a few games that actually utilise it on the Switch. For 99.9% of games it's pointless. I myself haven't had any issues whatsoever with travel vs actuation on the Retroflag though. 3. See point 1. 4. Agreed, I actually turned off vibration when playing Wonder. 5. Meh, depends on your region, here in the UK the Retroflag is £50, Nitro Deck is £59.99 and the build quality is better on the Nitro Deck. 6. For most the Retroflag is an excellent option but I'd say the Nitro Deck is more widely available, Retroflag has the C-stick that a lot of people don't like vs Nitro Deck having a whole bunch of different joystick caps on offer, Nitro Deck also has 4 programmable back buttons for button swap/macro assign vs no extra buttons on the Retroflag (retroflag does have button swapping though but not the same really). The Retroflag only really wins for the better ergonomics in my opinion. I still love it though.
The Nitro Deck may have more features but I would still get the RetroFlag because it has better ergonomics. Also, the Nitro Deck will also scratch the back of your Switch - so whichever way you go, your Switch is going to get scratched up.
Thanks for the review man. I will get the Retroflag 😊 I like the features of ND but it will cost me around 140 USD, Im from the Philippines so the shipping fee is really expensive 😅
Went ahead and ordered my Nitro Deck. I have some tiny hopes that whatever next gen Switch is coming, it has a similar enough form factor that it will fit old accessories. Won't fuss about it if not though! I'll just wait until CRKD makes one for that system and get another in a different design!
Current situation - I play with stock joy cons with a Satisfye grip. Now my left joycon is finally drifting (suprised it lasted to 2024 honestly) so since the price points are close enough: Buy new joy cons and keep using my Satisfye Or Buy a Nitro Deck....but I can already predict the right thumbstick is going to be a potential dealbreaker
The Retroflag is great, my only issues with it were the face buttons. They just didn't feel right, very cheap is the only way to describe it. It definitely has the ND beat with ergonomics and I've gotta be honest the triggers (and dpad of course). I HATE how mushy those triggers are on the ND especially with how incredible the bumpers are. ND overall is better but the Retroflag is definitely solid too.
For me, placing the right analogue stick directly beneath the bottom (B) button rather than offsetting it is always a huge con for me. It's why I play my Switch in docked mode exclusively. I really want to find a controller that is comfortable to hold, well-built and easy to play with for extended sessions. So far, I haven't yet found one that ticks all those boxes for me.
I just got both I like the feel of the Retroflag much better the nitro deck does not flare out on the bottom at all and feels cramped because of it.. Update I HATE the triggers on the nitrodeck they are way to sensitive.
I bought the nitro deck and it’s a great product but the 2 big downsides for me is how heavy it makes the switch, and the placement of the right joystick. My thumb starts to hurt after playing for a bit.
I'm definitely also a pinky resting guy even as a child too, I just think it's a lot more comfortable (probably bc I'm used to it now) to have the console resting on my pinky's rather than gripping the back like you said. I think I still have the same uncomfortable feeling even using NYXI joycons as I'm not used to holding my Switch like that
Iv got the white one for my oled switch and I love it. Just ordered the case which takes it up to £90 bit pricey but well worth every penny. Top review and keep up the good work. 👍👍👍
New Switch owner (just a little late to the party lol) here, thank you for the comprehensive comparison! I'm still not quite sure which one I'll go with. The RetroFlag seems like it'd be more comfortable, but it would really suck to get a defective one, have to send it back, wait for a new one... I have seen some people saying the Nitro Deck scratches up the back of the tablet, have you seen that with yours?
in reallity I've had 2 retroflag and they are horrible. The d pad is barrely functionnal and the trigger don't register input unless you press them hard ( and yes it's scratches the rails). Nitro deck is fine but the right stick is too low
Did you, or anyone else for that matter, run into the software bug with the oled on the retroflag? The oled will intermittently stop recognizing the controller when plugged in. The company released a firmware update that is supposed to fix it, but i have purchased 2 units and both of them had this problem. Even with the update, my oled switch doesn't recognize the controller unless it has the power passthrough plugged in also. If i unplug the power, the switch thinks the controller has been unplugged too. Very annoying.
Me and brother are debating about gettting nitrodeck for the oled we share. We already have a nexigo ergonomi controller and nexigo eggshell ergonimic controller we have that we love. Similar to your retroflag which we still use to this day. People been talking about the nitrodeck but do we really need to get it if we aready have two controllers that we use for our oled. One thing we see about the nitrodeck is how you take it out which isnt something we like.
Too late for me, the retro flag changed my switch in to something I wanted to use. No need to buy another… If I was someone who needed gyro controls though, it would be a no-brainer.
Split pad compact is the best for handheld. It's comfy, the right stick is accessible without adjusting your hand, and you can play for hour without achey hands. I bought a nitrodeck to try out and I hated it. The right control stick is in an awful spot. I said what I said.
Not a fan of the right thumbstick placement on the nitro deck. Way to low in my opinion and actually hurts my thumb after a long play. Everything else on it though is great, very responsive. Just wish they had the right thumbstick higher up.
I want a Nitro Deck but I saw another reviewer say it rubs the back of the switch too much, even when taking out with care. I want it but I don't want to rub my totk switch 😭
I also think that if the make a nitro deck 2.0 it should have the ergonomics more akin to a split pad pro. Like the 1.0 is the split pad fit/compact and the 2.0 is the split pad pro. (Also with some other added features/improvements)
My problem with the Nitrodeck is the ergonomics. Leaving aside the good quality, if it doesnt feel right on the hands, then its not a good purchase. Whats the point? Also, the design is too bulky imo, looks like a brick. And the ABXY stamp on the buttons will wear off with time. That will always happen, no matter the brand. The ink will fade. My brother has the Retroflag and I used it for a while. I played Smash, ToTK and Metroid. It feels great really, and the design and built quality feels premium despite what this youtuber said. Giro controls work perfectly. Maybe there will be some bad reviews here and there for both controllers, but imo the Retroflag feels very nice hands on and very solid quality overall. I may buy the Retroflag over the Nitrodeck
Neither. The Dobe TNS 1188 is my go to over those two, gave away the Retroflag and the bumper pinging on the CRKD and it's perceived poor build quality especially for the price is disappointing
Thank you for being honest about the placement of the right analog stick. By far the biggest downside of the nitrodeck. I don't know why they didn't make the placement more of a priority.
I’m not getting the new switch tbh I’m sure they will still bring new games to old switch sense it’s their most sold product so I bought the nitro deck retro purple
Does anyone know if they make a thumb grip that can fit on the little c stick nub for the retroflag ? I love everything else about it but I felt like it was a pain to use when I was playing doom and other fps
The Nitro Deck is over-hyped and not that good. I ordered the special edition one that looks like an SNES controller as well as the Limited Run blue one. The ergonomics are not much better than just regular joycons and reaching the d-pad and right analog stick is just as uncomfortable as the joycon. Reaching the shoulder buttons are the same way, you have to stretch your fingers in a way that's not good. The d-pad is a bit too small and not the best. Also the analog sticks feel weird and not linear. Then there's the big issue of getting the switch out. This is probably the biggest design flaw. You either have to apply A LOT of pressure on the switch screen at the top to yank it out (IGN mentioned this too) or do what I did and use a thin plastic thing to pry up from the bottom where the speaker cut outs are while holding the unlock switch. If you're using an OLED switch the smashing on the screen to pull it out is an even bigger issue due to small bezels. It also is rather heavy when the Switch is in it. The Hori Split Pad Pro is a TON better. All of the issues I mentioned with the Nitro Deck are GONE with these. Also the Fixture clip that allows you to use the pro controller is also a MUCH better option. I'll be putting both of mine up on ebay. There's no way I'm using my Switch with this thing.
Yeah, I’m getting an OLED soon, so I’ve watched tons of videos on all this stuff, and I keep coming back to the Hori split pads as what I will probably go with
Another great and helpful video. My biggest problem with the retroflag besides the metal rails that scratched my switch. Is it has no texture to the grip it’s just smooth and can easily slip. I can’t wait to get the nitro deck I see from your video the nitro deck has texture nonslip grips in the back.
@@128KB that’s ok you covered all the other important details. Also how you been man, I haven’t talked with you in a while. I try to watch all your videos still but like gets busy and sometimes depressing lol
15:22 No you don’t. Unless it’s different in the UK? In America you just take it to your nearest return center (usually Whole Foods, sometimes places like Kohl’s) and then they take it no questions asked even if you don’t have the original packaging. These things are all overrated imo anyway. Features like button swap and macros are just useless to me, I’ve never played a game where I couldn’t get used to button placements. Games with bad controls typically have issues with the way movement works or something. And macros, well, I can just do the regular input without any issue usually; I’ve never felt a need for macros on a single game I’ve played. The only one I could see is something like the GuliKit KingKong that allows you to record up to 10 minutes of button presses, which could definitely be useful to automate grinding, Pokémon breeding, etc. But most of these macros aren’t anywhere near as well-designed. As for turbo, just get good at mashing, it’s not hard unless you have tendinitis or carpal tunnel or something. So to me, most of this is just useless fluff to make the features list look nice without meaningfully affecting anything. The gyro on the third party controllers are usually fine, but they’re always awful on these deck type things. Not that it matters too much because you wouldn’t want to use gyro in handheld mode usually, but worth noting. Also, you lose out on things like HD Rumble with these third party controllers; before anyone says anything, no, it’s just not a 1-2-Switch and Super Mario Party thing. Pretty much every noteworthy first party switch game uses it and it does make a difference. The biggest point in these things’ favor by far is drift. It’s a very valid argument for sure; I’m happy with my GuliKit sticks but I can see why someone may not want to open up their Joycons. The ergonomics are easily solved by any random $10-15 grip, but you can go for a Satisfye grip if you want something more premium. So I’d say just get that and then once your Joycons start drifting, get the GuliKit sticks and you’re way better off than any of this bullshit where you have to constantly have caveats of what’s supported vs. what isn’t.
Different in the UK. A Satisfye grip + OG joycons is excellent, the most ergonomic way to play but then you're stuck with the rubbish joycon joysticks and even the Gulikit sticks, which 90% of people won't have the capability to change still have terrible feel and throw. They're not full sized. At the end of the day it's all about choice, people love this stuff even if you don't, it's all good because you can choose how you want to play and that doesn't affect anyone else.
@@128KB I don’t see why the joysticks have to be full sized lol, they feel fine the way they are and it seems like pretty much everyone gets used to them eventually. Maybe not for smash, but at that point you’re likely using a pro controller in console/tabletop mode anyway, or a GameCube controller. People dealt with the PSVita sticks and even PSP stick just fine. I don’t really get why Joycon sticks are where the line was drawn; maybe because of drift? Which is a whole separate issue. The stick install isn’t hard. Not as easy as 8BitDo’s wireless modkits but still fairly doable. Coming from someone whose only experience opening up controllers was those modkits. You do you I guess if these controllers make you happy. Personally, I always feel like I’m missing out when using any other Pro controller/Joy-Con, except in some cases the Gulikit KingKong2. I wanted to see if there was another equivalent to that for Joy-Cons and was very disappointed after watching the video seeing useful features left out and (imo) useless ones included. That’s it really.
This sounds like a very biased commercial. He's really reaching for straws when he complains about no questions asked Amazon returns. They literally come and pick up your package at your door.
Did you even watch the video? This is not a sponsored/paid video, this is based on my honest opinion after using both. Watch the video. The RetroFlag SCRATCHES the Switch paint, has no way of accessing the game card slot, has poor quality control issues, non-replaceable C-stick (though not an issue for me), triggers that do not actuate when pressed unless fully pressed, inconsistent bumpers, I list this all in the video but apparently I'm clutches at straws. Your comment is actually far more of a stretch than the information I provide in the video. Here in the UK Amazon don't always collect. Also, when I say you can return to the store I literally name the retailers, GAME & Argos, that you can physically go and purchase/return them from. Just because you're in a different country doesn't make that a lie. Learn to watch videos and not assume.
@@128KB Hey, I'm not accusing you of anything, but throughout your video you were quite dismissive of negative aspects of the Nitro Deck, while strongly pointing out flaws with the Retroflag. That was your tone. I've personally used both devices myself, and I like the Retroflag much more due it's ergonomic advantages. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but the way you speak makes you sound like you're paid to do it.
@@128KB The Nitro Deck also scratches the back of your Switch. There are other videos on YT of people having that issue. One guy even did a video on how to fix it by putting a felt pad on it which solves the problem but also makes it more difficult to slide the Switch in and out. If you have a limited edition Switch with a design on it, you don't want to be using the Nitro Deck.
@alanhonlunli Ergonomics are subjective. Having to wait for an Amazon return which you failed to mention can take up to 30 days to process is not subjective. (I've had it even take longer). Nitrodeck holds the switch far more securely with a lock, this isn't subjective. Analog tops are swappable on deck that's also not subjective. Deck has a two year warranty vs retroflag one year....also not subjective Deck has a custom case that fits it for travel... Also not subjective. The retroflag pales in comparison in features.. Also not subjective. Can't access the game slot on the Retroflag easily... Also not subjective. That's not to say the deck is perfect, it isn't. But it has more objective advantages over the retroflag with several subjective areas that may sway individual users to one or the other. It's almost like you don't understand the difference between subjective opinions which reviewers have... And objective facts being pointed out. But that's also why you likely don't have any video reviews on your channel.... And he has tons with lots of views. I've also done many reviews in the past with my much smaller channel but several still hitting 10K + views. Feedback is important and criticism helps channels grow. All you've done though is clearly show you don't know the difference between subjective and objective.
Iv ordered the retroflag and beboncool, I want the retroflag to be better, but the beboncool is better, beboncool has a built in battery and easy access to the cart just like the retrodeck.
I would love to give the retro flag a go if it weren’t for the metal rail clips as the nitro deck is a massive flop for me. It’s so uncomfortable to use, I seriously don’t get the rave reviews and I can’t return it because of their return policy stating all sales a final. Be aware uk buyer, you 14 day cool off period doesn’t apply here! I might just stick with the Skull and Co grip and the original joy cons
Sad times, sorry you don't find it comfortable, as I ranted in the video they're all not perfect unless you use a Satisfye grip + joycons for a truly ergonomic grip. Hmm I imagine because buying directly is from overseas, their policy may differ. UK purchases in the UK from the retailer Game/Argos have consumer rights and 14/30? days to return.
@@128KBI contacted CRKD and they sent me a support video. I just wish they’d put it in the instructions. Because I couldn’t unbind the back buttons, playing TOTK was a nightmare as I kept clicking the back buttons. Going to give it one more go before eBaying it. Thanks for the heads up on game and Argos, Amazon are soon to stock too but I was so keen to get it, I went to CRKD directly to get it sooner.
Macro is when you can program button sequences to certain buttons, like for fighting game moves. Turbo is a button that will spam whichever button you assign it to. It basically presses the button for you at varying speeds.
thanks for the video, ive been searching for this comparison. . since i cant afford the nitro deck, i go for retroflag.. the nitro deck is too expensive.
I don’t know I wish one of these companies would have retro in the name, and then put the d-pad in the right place, to support this retro claim! I am going with the manba one…
Obviously better? Please elaborate why, to you, it's better. As mentioned in the huge section about ergonomics, the Retroflag is more comfortable but overall the Nitro Deck has better features and quality control.
@@128KB Not only that but the deck comes in so many colors because not everyone wants to use a very bright switch in addition to a very small right stick. The deck as turbo mode and remappable buttons. To be honest it's not even a competition.
Lol sounds so defensive. I also bought the nitro deck but I feel like its over hyped for what it is. Plus I'm more worried scratching the back of my switch then the rails. I wouldn't really recommend the nitro deck for the price
Yeah totally valid reason, if you've got a Retro Flag already and aren't fussed by the extra features then stick with it. It is a shame this didn't come 5+ years ago.
@@NorolPlays been using mine since January, no issues besides the analog damage due to friction, (fixed it by using Teflon tape).BTW I am not gentle with the retroflag, chucking it to my bag constantly, and my kid plays with it all the time. Just keep in mind the quality control, as the video mentioned there are others that complain about it.
If I'm bias because I prefer the product with more features and less problems, then yes. I love the Retroflag and it has better ergonomics but the Nitro Deck is better imo.
The Satisfye Zen Grip Pro is KING of ergonomics for sure but sadly it's insanely expensive in the UK and obviously doesn't give hall effect joysticks/back paddles/other features.
I’m saving my money for the Lenovo legion go and I bought the satisfye grip for the steam deck as my bday gift for me so I’m not interested in either one in this video
I went for the black version of Nitro Deck after your hands on review. No regrets, this thing is wicked! Gives a very cool aesthetic to the Switch and the functions and features are stellar. Great recommendation dude !!
Awesome man! So glad you're happy with it! 😍 I always get worried when people make purchases based on my recommendations since we all have different opinions at the end of the day! Glad you're loving it though 😁
I got the black one too, I didn't like the purple one tbh
I got the white one I love it!
I have the Retroflag and love it. But I bought the Nitro Deck after seeing this review. I played with the Nitro Deck for a few hours, then swapped back to the Retroflag, and immediately returned my Nitro Deck.
* You must have weird alien hands as the Retroflag is a completely different league of ergonomic comfort than the Nitro Deck. The Nitro Deck felt extremely uncomfortable to use by comparison.
* The ZL and ZR buttons press like analog trigger buttons. This is a dubious and downright baffling choice given that the Switch doesn't support analog triggers. The result is all the disadvantages of both analog triggers with zero benefits. Sure you can remap them to the programmable back-buttons, but you shouldn't have to.
* The right analog stick, while somewhat uncomfortable on the retroflag, is even more uncomfortable on the Nitro Deck.
* The vibration is over the top. I was playing Super Mario Wonder and it felt like the Nitro Deck was vibrating like mad non-stop with no rime or reason, even when I turned the vibration on light using an in-game setting.
* The nitro deck is almost double the price of the retroflag (?!?!?!)
In conclusion, this thing does have some pros over the retroflag, but they are very minor. For most people, get the Retroflag. :) The biggest pro the Nitro Deck seems to have is that they have a better marketing team.
The Retroflag is amazing. You're not wrong for most of that summary but I'll address each point anyway.
1. In this video I specifically say how the Retroflag is more comfortable & ergonomic, not sure on the alien hands reference lol. That's the Single issue with the Nitro Deck, if it had better ergonomics it would help that right stick placement issue too.
2. They do feel like analogue triggers, strangely the Switch DOES support analogue triggers but there's only a few games that actually utilise it on the Switch. For 99.9% of games it's pointless. I myself haven't had any issues whatsoever with travel vs actuation on the Retroflag though.
3. See point 1.
4. Agreed, I actually turned off vibration when playing Wonder.
5. Meh, depends on your region, here in the UK the Retroflag is £50, Nitro Deck is £59.99 and the build quality is better on the Nitro Deck.
6. For most the Retroflag is an excellent option but I'd say the Nitro Deck is more widely available, Retroflag has the C-stick that a lot of people don't like vs Nitro Deck having a whole bunch of different joystick caps on offer, Nitro Deck also has 4 programmable back buttons for button swap/macro assign vs no extra buttons on the Retroflag (retroflag does have button swapping though but not the same really).
The Retroflag only really wins for the better ergonomics in my opinion. I still love it though.
thanks mate you saved me some money there . Aliexpress retroflag is 36 aud and the nitrodeck is 99 lmao.
This is the comparison I was looking for! thanks!
The Nitro Deck may have more features but I would still get the RetroFlag because it has better ergonomics. Also, the Nitro Deck will also scratch the back of your Switch - so whichever way you go, your Switch is going to get scratched up.
I have the nitro deck and I removed my switch several times not a single scratch tbh
I’d disagree. I have zero scratches with the Nitro Deck
Thanks for the review man. I will get the Retroflag 😊 I like the features of ND but it will cost me around 140 USD, Im from the Philippines so the shipping fee is really expensive 😅
If the Retroflag one had a normal thumbsticks on the right and grip on the back it would be the best hand down for the switch.
Yeah that would make it better for sure
Went ahead and ordered my Nitro Deck. I have some tiny hopes that whatever next gen Switch is coming, it has a similar enough form factor that it will fit old accessories. Won't fuss about it if not though! I'll just wait until CRKD makes one for that system and get another in a different design!
Right, I think crkd will be the new high quality accessory company and I'm excited for what they make next
Right, I think crkd will be the new high quality accessory company and I'm excited for what they make next
Current situation - I play with stock joy cons with a Satisfye grip. Now my left joycon is finally drifting (suprised it lasted to 2024 honestly) so since the price points are close enough:
Buy new joy cons and keep using my Satisfye
Or
Buy a Nitro Deck....but I can already predict the right thumbstick is going to be a potential dealbreaker
This made me decide on the Retro. Thanks
You're welcome
The Retroflag is great, my only issues with it were the face buttons. They just didn't feel right, very cheap is the only way to describe it. It definitely has the ND beat with ergonomics and I've gotta be honest the triggers (and dpad of course). I HATE how mushy those triggers are on the ND especially with how incredible the bumpers are. ND overall is better but the Retroflag is definitely solid too.
For me, placing the right analogue stick directly beneath the bottom (B) button rather than offsetting it is always a huge con for me. It's why I play my Switch in docked mode exclusively. I really want to find a controller that is comfortable to hold, well-built and easy to play with for extended sessions. So far, I haven't yet found one that ticks all those boxes for me.
Thanks 4 the video, its exactly what I needed!
You're welcome :)
I just got both I like the feel of the Retroflag much better the nitro deck does not flare out on the bottom at all and feels cramped because of it.. Update I HATE the triggers on the nitrodeck they are way to sensitive.
The nitrodeck was much more promising when it was first revealed. They clearly cut some corners
Dont swap the buttons for the joystick, I dont use the 2nd stick for Switch games much anyways
For rhe right stick I use the knuckle of my thumb and it isn't an issue
Glad I could resell my Nitro Deck with only a minor loss. For me it was an instant cramp machine.
I'm just gifting it to a friend. cramped as well
Considering selling mine too. What would you guys get instead though?
@@benjamin-jp93 I tried the rreaka today and it was fine but honestly I think I'm just used to how the joycon feel lol
Sad to hear, I don't find it overly crampy but the ergonomics could be better.
@@benjamin-jp93 Still looking for an alternative, maybe the Retroflag or Nyxi Hyperion Pro
I bought the nitro deck and it’s a great product but the 2 big downsides for me is how heavy it makes the switch, and the placement of the right joystick. My thumb starts to hurt after playing for a bit.
I'm definitely also a pinky resting guy even as a child too, I just think it's a lot more comfortable (probably bc I'm used to it now) to have the console resting on my pinky's rather than gripping the back like you said. I think I still have the same uncomfortable feeling even using NYXI joycons as I'm not used to holding my Switch like that
Yessss a fellow pro pinky player!
Same with me. Always done it without ever thinking about it haha.
Really smart review like the crkd nitro deck so far!👍😊
Iv got the white one for my oled switch and I love it. Just ordered the case which takes it up to £90 bit pricey but well worth every penny. Top review and keep up the good work. 👍👍👍
New Switch owner (just a little late to the party lol) here, thank you for the comprehensive comparison! I'm still not quite sure which one I'll go with. The RetroFlag seems like it'd be more comfortable, but it would really suck to get a defective one, have to send it back, wait for a new one... I have seen some people saying the Nitro Deck scratches up the back of the tablet, have you seen that with yours?
in reallity I've had 2 retroflag and they are horrible. The d pad is barrely functionnal and the trigger don't register input unless you press them hard ( and yes it's scratches the rails). Nitro deck is fine but the right stick is too low
I just want to know if the CRKD Nitro Deck is worth it over the Hori Split Pad, I love the black Nitro Deck option
No it’s not I heard people say it’s uncomfortable. I have the splitpad compacts they are the best to me
The Nitro Deck isn’t really terrible to me. But the split pad is better ergonomically.
That being said, I prefer the Nitro Deck anyway.
Have you tried the nexi go grip ? It's very similar to these but with more controller like grips.
The Nitro deck sucks, I bought one and I regret it so much, it's super uncomfortable to play because of the right stick position. don't buy it
Which drains quicker, they both depend on the switch to run,
I use the back pads on the CRKD to do flawless dupe glitches in TotK
Did you, or anyone else for that matter, run into the software bug with the oled on the retroflag? The oled will intermittently stop recognizing the controller when plugged in. The company released a firmware update that is supposed to fix it, but i have purchased 2 units and both of them had this problem. Even with the update, my oled switch doesn't recognize the controller unless it has the power passthrough plugged in also. If i unplug the power, the switch thinks the controller has been unplugged too. Very annoying.
I haven't had that issue before, that's the first I've actually heard of it too 😱
Me and brother are debating about gettting nitrodeck for the oled we share. We already have a nexigo ergonomi controller and nexigo eggshell ergonimic controller we have that we love. Similar to your retroflag which we still use to this day. People been talking about the nitrodeck but do we really need to get it if we aready have two controllers that we use for our oled. One thing we see about the nitrodeck is how you take it out which isnt something we like.
Too late for me, the retro flag changed my switch in to something I wanted to use. No need to buy another… If I was someone who needed gyro controls though, it would be a no-brainer.
Yeah fair enough! Retroflag is still great
Leaning towards the nitro deck because swap physical games out alot. ❤🎮
Split pad compact is the best for handheld. It's comfy, the right stick is accessible without adjusting your hand, and you can play for hour without achey hands. I bought a nitrodeck to try out and I hated it. The right control stick is in an awful spot. I said what I said.
Not a fan of the right thumbstick placement on the nitro deck. Way to low in my opinion and actually hurts my thumb after a long play. Everything else on it though is great, very responsive. Just wish they had the right thumbstick higher up.
I want a Nitro Deck but I saw another reviewer say it rubs the back of the switch too much, even when taking out with care. I want it but I don't want to rub my totk switch 😭
I have removed my switch several times from the nitro deck and have no issues
I also think that if the make a nitro deck 2.0 it should have the ergonomics more akin to a split pad pro. Like the 1.0 is the split pad fit/compact and the 2.0 is the split pad pro. (Also with some other added features/improvements)
Yeah that would be an improvement but for me the Satisfye offset style is the ultimate ergonomics for the right side layout
@128KB maybe satisfye should make a grip for the nitro deck lmao but actually if they did I'd probably buy it. I love the sayisfye grips.
My problem with the Nitrodeck is the ergonomics. Leaving aside the good quality, if it doesnt feel right on the hands, then its not a good purchase. Whats the point? Also, the design is too bulky imo, looks like a brick. And the ABXY stamp on the buttons will wear off with time. That will always happen, no matter the brand. The ink will fade.
My brother has the Retroflag and I used it for a while. I played Smash, ToTK and Metroid. It feels great really, and the design and built quality feels premium despite what this youtuber said. Giro controls work perfectly. Maybe there will be some bad reviews here and there for both controllers, but imo the Retroflag feels very nice hands on and very solid quality overall.
I may buy the Retroflag over the Nitrodeck
Neither. The Dobe TNS 1188 is my go to over those two, gave away the Retroflag and the bumper pinging on the CRKD and it's perceived poor build quality especially for the price is disappointing
yep, retroflag for the win based on this review
Fair enough!
Picking up a black nitro deck tomorrow
Nice!
Thank you for being honest about the placement of the right analog stick. By far the biggest downside of the nitrodeck. I don't know why they didn't make the placement more of a priority.
The scratches caused by the retroflag might be because you tested using a switch OLED? The regular LCD switch is not as wide. Still bad though.
It'll scratch even the OG Switch due to the metal clips on either side unfortunately
@@128KB Ah okay, that's good to know. I am currently researching the Hori Split Pad product line, to see if that might be a better fit for me.
I’m not getting the new switch tbh I’m sure they will still bring new games to old switch sense it’s their most sold product so I bought the nitro deck retro purple
Fair enough! Hope you enjoy your nitro deck!
So, in your honest opinion, which one is better for bigger hands?
Ergonomically the RetroFlag but I still love the extra features of the NitroDeck
Will you ever review the eevee hori split pad compact
You said you could buy the nitro deck from a store that you can drive too. what store are you talking about?
I say in the video, Argos & GAME, I'm UK though.
Does anyone know if they make a thumb grip that can fit on the little c stick nub for the retroflag ? I love everything else about it but I felt like it was a pain to use when I was playing doom and other fps
Ps Vita thumb grip should work, i guess
The Nitro Deck is over-hyped and not that good. I ordered the special edition one that looks like an SNES controller as well as the Limited Run blue one. The ergonomics are not much better than just regular joycons and reaching the d-pad and right analog stick is just as uncomfortable as the joycon. Reaching the shoulder buttons are the same way, you have to stretch your fingers in a way that's not good. The d-pad is a bit too small and not the best. Also the analog sticks feel weird and not linear. Then there's the big issue of getting the switch out. This is probably the biggest design flaw. You either have to apply A LOT of pressure on the switch screen at the top to yank it out (IGN mentioned this too) or do what I did and use a thin plastic thing to pry up from the bottom where the speaker cut outs are while holding the unlock switch. If you're using an OLED switch the smashing on the screen to pull it out is an even bigger issue due to small bezels. It also is rather heavy when the Switch is in it.
The Hori Split Pad Pro is a TON better. All of the issues I mentioned with the Nitro Deck are GONE with these. Also the Fixture clip that allows you to use the pro controller is also a MUCH better option.
I'll be putting both of mine up on ebay. There's no way I'm using my Switch with this thing.
Yeah, I’m getting an OLED soon, so I’ve watched tons of videos on all this stuff, and I keep coming back to the Hori split pads as what I will probably go with
@@radioclash8175they don’t have movement (forget proper name) nor vibration !
Retroflag is the best one. After watching this video, I’m convinced and ordered mine. 😊
Another great and helpful video. My biggest problem with the retroflag besides the metal rails that scratched my switch. Is it has no texture to the grip it’s just smooth and can easily slip. I can’t wait to get the nitro deck I see from your video the nitro deck has texture nonslip grips in the back.
That's such a great point, forgot to mention that!
@@128KB that’s ok you covered all the other important details. Also how you been man, I haven’t talked with you in a while. I try to watch all your videos still but like gets busy and sometimes depressing lol
Ergonomics is always number one to me.
If it is uncomfortable, it's an instant fail from a design point.
Yeah I get you, the Nitro Deck isn't uncomfortable but the ergonomics of the retroflag are better.
I've had my nitro deck for 2 days and in conclusion it is the best controller I have ever
Epic :D
My Retroflag wouldn't calibrate the left analog stick. Would drift left slightly. Annoying.
15:22 No you don’t. Unless it’s different in the UK? In America you just take it to your nearest return center (usually Whole Foods, sometimes places like Kohl’s) and then they take it no questions asked even if you don’t have the original packaging.
These things are all overrated imo anyway. Features like button swap and macros are just useless to me, I’ve never played a game where I couldn’t get used to button placements. Games with bad controls typically have issues with the way movement works or something. And macros, well, I can just do the regular input without any issue usually; I’ve never felt a need for macros on a single game I’ve played. The only one I could see is something like the GuliKit KingKong that allows you to record up to 10 minutes of button presses, which could definitely be useful to automate grinding, Pokémon breeding, etc. But most of these macros aren’t anywhere near as well-designed. As for turbo, just get good at mashing, it’s not hard unless you have tendinitis or carpal tunnel or something. So to me, most of this is just useless fluff to make the features list look nice without meaningfully affecting anything. The gyro on the third party controllers are usually fine, but they’re always awful on these deck type things. Not that it matters too much because you wouldn’t want to use gyro in handheld mode usually, but worth noting. Also, you lose out on things like HD Rumble with these third party controllers; before anyone says anything, no, it’s just not a 1-2-Switch and Super Mario Party thing. Pretty much every noteworthy first party switch game uses it and it does make a difference.
The biggest point in these things’ favor by far is drift. It’s a very valid argument for sure; I’m happy with my GuliKit sticks but I can see why someone may not want to open up their Joycons. The ergonomics are easily solved by any random $10-15 grip, but you can go for a Satisfye grip if you want something more premium. So I’d say just get that and then once your Joycons start drifting, get the GuliKit sticks and you’re way better off than any of this bullshit where you have to constantly have caveats of what’s supported vs. what isn’t.
Different in the UK. A Satisfye grip + OG joycons is excellent, the most ergonomic way to play but then you're stuck with the rubbish joycon joysticks and even the Gulikit sticks, which 90% of people won't have the capability to change still have terrible feel and throw. They're not full sized. At the end of the day it's all about choice, people love this stuff even if you don't, it's all good because you can choose how you want to play and that doesn't affect anyone else.
@@128KB I don’t see why the joysticks have to be full sized lol, they feel fine the way they are and it seems like pretty much everyone gets used to them eventually. Maybe not for smash, but at that point you’re likely using a pro controller in console/tabletop mode anyway, or a GameCube controller. People dealt with the PSVita sticks and even PSP stick just fine. I don’t really get why Joycon sticks are where the line was drawn; maybe because of drift? Which is a whole separate issue. The stick install isn’t hard. Not as easy as 8BitDo’s wireless modkits but still fairly doable. Coming from someone whose only experience opening up controllers was those modkits.
You do you I guess if these controllers make you happy. Personally, I always feel like I’m missing out when using any other Pro controller/Joy-Con, except in some cases the Gulikit KingKong2. I wanted to see if there was another equivalent to that for Joy-Cons and was very disappointed after watching the video seeing useful features left out and (imo) useless ones included. That’s it really.
Alguien podria recomendarme un control asi que tenga NFC
I’d pretty much convinced myself not to get a Nitro Deck…………. Then I saw the Persona edition on Limited run games. They got me!
Hahah epic
This sounds like a very biased commercial. He's really reaching for straws when he complains about no questions asked Amazon returns. They literally come and pick up your package at your door.
Did you even watch the video? This is not a sponsored/paid video, this is based on my honest opinion after using both. Watch the video. The RetroFlag SCRATCHES the Switch paint, has no way of accessing the game card slot, has poor quality control issues, non-replaceable C-stick (though not an issue for me), triggers that do not actuate when pressed unless fully pressed, inconsistent bumpers, I list this all in the video but apparently I'm clutches at straws. Your comment is actually far more of a stretch than the information I provide in the video.
Here in the UK Amazon don't always collect. Also, when I say you can return to the store I literally name the retailers, GAME & Argos, that you can physically go and purchase/return them from. Just because you're in a different country doesn't make that a lie. Learn to watch videos and not assume.
@@128KB Hey, I'm not accusing you of anything, but throughout your video you were quite dismissive of negative aspects of the Nitro Deck, while strongly pointing out flaws with the Retroflag. That was your tone. I've personally used both devices myself, and I like the Retroflag much more due it's ergonomic advantages. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but the way you speak makes you sound like you're paid to do it.
@@128KB The Nitro Deck also scratches the back of your Switch. There are other videos on YT of people having that issue. One guy even did a video on how to fix it by putting a felt pad on it which solves the problem but also makes it more difficult to slide the Switch in and out. If you have a limited edition Switch with a design on it, you don't want to be using the Nitro Deck.
@@alanhonlunliI agree with your second statement 100%.
@alanhonlunli
Ergonomics are subjective.
Having to wait for an Amazon return which you failed to mention can take up to 30 days to process is not subjective. (I've had it even take longer).
Nitrodeck holds the switch far more securely with a lock, this isn't subjective.
Analog tops are swappable on deck that's also not subjective.
Deck has a two year warranty vs retroflag one year....also not subjective
Deck has a custom case that fits it for travel... Also not subjective.
The retroflag pales in comparison in features.. Also not subjective.
Can't access the game slot on the Retroflag easily... Also not subjective.
That's not to say the deck is perfect, it isn't. But it has more objective advantages over the retroflag with several subjective areas that may sway individual users to one or the other.
It's almost like you don't understand the difference between subjective opinions which reviewers have... And objective facts being pointed out.
But that's also why you likely don't have any video reviews on your channel.... And he has tons with lots of views. I've also done many reviews in the past with my much smaller channel but several still hitting 10K + views. Feedback is important and criticism helps channels grow. All you've done though is clearly show you don't know the difference between subjective and objective.
Iv ordered the retroflag and beboncool, I want the retroflag to be better, but the beboncool is better, beboncool has a built in battery and easy access to the cart just like the retrodeck.
I would love to give the retro flag a go if it weren’t for the metal rail clips as the nitro deck is a massive flop for me.
It’s so uncomfortable to use, I seriously don’t get the rave reviews and I can’t return it because of their return policy stating all sales a final.
Be aware uk buyer, you 14 day cool off period doesn’t apply here!
I might just stick with the Skull and Co grip and the original joy cons
Sad times, sorry you don't find it comfortable, as I ranted in the video they're all not perfect unless you use a Satisfye grip + joycons for a truly ergonomic grip.
Hmm I imagine because buying directly is from overseas, their policy may differ. UK purchases in the UK from the retailer Game/Argos have consumer rights and 14/30? days to return.
@@128KBI contacted CRKD and they sent me a support video. I just wish they’d put it in the instructions.
Because I couldn’t unbind the back buttons, playing TOTK was a nightmare as I kept clicking the back buttons.
Going to give it one more go before eBaying it.
Thanks for the heads up on game and Argos, Amazon are soon to stock too but I was so keen to get it, I went to CRKD directly to get it sooner.
I’ll have nitro this Saturday
Awesome
Dumb question, but for the section about features, what do you mean by "macro" and "turbo"?
Watch the dedicated video on the Nitro Deck on the channel and you'll find out. It's linked at the end of the video and in the description
Macro is when you can program button sequences to certain buttons, like for fighting game moves.
Turbo is a button that will spam whichever button you assign it to. It basically presses the button for you at varying speeds.
Retroflag best beeeeest controller ever even better then Xbox 360 controller!!!
Awesome
The guy ❤❤❤❤ the nitro deck😀😀😀😀
Yep, it's great. Ergonomics could be better but overall it's excellent.
@@128KB I love it too. I have three colours; the green, purple and SNES 😅😅😅
thanks for the video, ive been searching for this comparison. . since i cant afford the nitro deck, i go for retroflag.. the nitro deck is too expensive.
You're welcome. How much is the difference in your country? It's only £10 difference in price here in the UK
The nitro deck will leave scratches at back of your switch
I've not experienced that myself, there's small PTFE glide rails on either side that help it slide in/out. Not ruling it out though!
So next time Nyxi Hyperion Pro vs Nitro Deck?😁😁😁
Maybe 🤔 I'll think about it 🤣
TNS-1188 Dobe Eggshell try this one :D
I don’t know I wish one of these companies would have retro in the name, and then put the d-pad in the right place, to support this retro claim! I am going with the manba one…
Retroflag #1
I love my nitro deck
Same! :D
@@128KB i went with the limited run purple they did
Retroflag one is obviously better and more comfortable
Obviously better? Please elaborate why, to you, it's better. As mentioned in the huge section about ergonomics, the Retroflag is more comfortable but overall the Nitro Deck has better features and quality control.
@@128KB Not only that but the deck comes in so many colors because not everyone wants to use a very bright switch in addition to a very small right stick. The deck as turbo mode and remappable buttons. To be honest it's not even a competition.
Lol sounds so defensive. I also bought the nitro deck but I feel like its over hyped for what it is. Plus I'm more worried scratching the back of my switch then the rails. I wouldn't really recommend the nitro deck for the price
i agree with u. the price in my currency can buy one switch lite lol@@ephardy
@@ephardycoz he's paid 😂😂
with all the rumors about the next gen switch, i wont be buying the nitro deck, it came too late, and my retro flag still works.
Yeah totally valid reason, if you've got a Retro Flag already and aren't fussed by the extra features then stick with it. It is a shame this didn't come 5+ years ago.
may i know how long u been using it? any problem? i just bought it and waiting for it
@@NorolPlays been using mine since January, no issues besides the analog damage due to friction, (fixed it by using Teflon tape).BTW I am not gentle with the retroflag, chucking it to my bag constantly, and my kid plays with it all the time. Just keep in mind the quality control, as the video mentioned there are others that complain about it.
Gamecube c stick is an instant nope for me
I just bought the retroflag but it scratching your switch almost makes me wish I didn't, what a stupid design : /
Retroflag
Oh the problems of today's world 😅 "I can't place properly my hands on a piece of plastic" 😅
Skull and co is the best! Those 2 sucks!
Don't forget the Satisfye ZenGrip is better than the skull & co 😘
God the retro flag is hideous. Maybe it feels better but I can’t get passed how goofy it looks
Bias
If I'm bias because I prefer the product with more features and less problems, then yes. I love the Retroflag and it has better ergonomics but the Nitro Deck is better imo.
BEANS
Please explain the beans 🍴
@@128KB My goal is to have most of TH-cam be covered by "BEANS" as it will be funny to just go on a video and seeing the word "BEANS" be on screen.
All that and no switch was used to play with them? Lol come on
This thing is trash the zen grip pro is way better and porb even cheeper
The Satisfye Zen Grip Pro is KING of ergonomics for sure but sadly it's insanely expensive in the UK and obviously doesn't give hall effect joysticks/back paddles/other features.
I’m saving my money for the Lenovo legion go and I bought the satisfye grip for the steam deck as my bday gift for me so I’m not interested in either one in this video
id get the retroflag if it was all black i donr like none of those gamecube type colors
Yeah it's a shame they don't offer other styles like CRKD do
@@128KByup! i got my nitrodeck in all black and ive been playing my switch way more than before
NITRO DECK IS THE KING SO FAR