Plastic Vanes tend to not flex or smoosh down like feathers do. If you shoot off of a raised rest, your vanes should bypass the shelf of the bow, but if you just place your arrows on the shelf itself, the two vanes facing your bow tend to make the arrow slightly skip off of the riser. Your arrow will naturally straighten out on flight because of your vanes, but it becomes difficult to shoot consistently because of the added variable.
Morten Jacobsen, the beauty of archery is, like a golf swing or batting/pitching in baseball, there is a standard rule to form, but in the end, and long as your form is consistent, do what works for you.
How's the black hunter holding up? I've held off due to the multiple reviews of the bow splitting and the string breaking. It's such a good looking bow with seemingly a lot of potential, but I'm not interested in throwing away my money or smacking myself in the face on the draw...
I've got some questions to that bow because i also am seeking for a good beginner bow to start archery with: -Does it rather feel cheap or like good quality and confident? -Do you think you can shoot on trees etc with that? -and how do you get along with that bow? Is it good for beginners?Do you have a rather fast or slow learning progress
Its a good quality bow for barebow shooting. Feels solid enough. Probably better off getting the lower draw weight for a beginner. Use feather fletchings if you are shooting off the shelf.
I just got this bow 45lbs draw weight. I’m an intermediate but relearning archer and this bow suits my needs pretty well. Slings arrows fast and straight. New to traditional archery I started out with a small compound. I like the simplicity of this style.
It looks so compact with that short riser. I like the dark look of it, and the fact that it has those pins on it to keep the limbs from going on an angle. For $100 that's solid value.
I have a black Hunter in 60lb at 28in and 150 gr up front with 400 spine beman shafts and 5in parabolic rw fletches I did myself and they send out at approx 200fps
I have just received this bow at 30 lbs, first bow I have used and bought to learn with, I cannot fault Mandarin Duck for customer service as they answered a lot of daft beginner questions and on arrival I am more than happy with the bow, only issue was no instructions on putting it together other than that it cannot be faulted for build quality and price, cannot wait for the snow to go so I can get out to use it. Great channel by the way, I am learning a lot from it.
If I knew I could hit the target I would be out there but never having used a bow before I do not fancy searching for arrows in three foot of snow! Maybe next winter when I hope I can hit the proverbial barn door!
Thankyou for reviewing the Black Hunter. What advantages did the Win and Win that you mentioned have over the Black Hunter for me as a hunting bow, given that I never use sights or a stabiliser.
Mandarin Duck have been amazing at answering all my beginner's questions. Very kind and responsive. Ordering the Black Hunter 30# on their website. Can't wait to test it!
Got my Black Hunter off Amazon, love it as my first bow! Wanted to address the limb screw issue you touched on, as my upper limb screw wouldn't screw in smoothly, and I thought I would strip the threads if I tried any harder. I found that by re-adjusting the angle the screw went in by just a fraction, it finally found the threads and went in smoothly. If it's not fitting in at first, don't torque it down as again, you might strip your threads.
With machine type threaded crews I always turn backwards 1 turn until I feel the thread catch, then softly hand screw until hand tight, then tool to desired torque Good job using a little finesse there and not destroying the threads
Have a lot of bows myself and finally ordered one of these Black Hunters to see how it will feel shooting it... matches one of my rifles as well so figured it will look good on display as well as shooting. Thank you for the video... ordered the same draw weight as you and seeing how you shoot it makes me more comfortable with the purchase... just now bought it... always worth checking out... for the price.
mother of god. first. Bought this bow because of a few positive reviews from youtube. Loving it so far, but i'm 6 feet tall and have the wingspan of a troll... the 40# limbs i picked up feel a bit more like 45# at my full draw. about an inch of shaft past the riser. MORE IMPORTANTLY... and what led me here to comment on this great review. I LOVE YOUR CHEETOH ARMOR styled quiver harness. my GF shortened kirito down to cheetoh after i showed her SAOA. cheers bruv.
To those who is interesting in buying one. This prob be the best option if ur looking for a tradition take down with wood grip for beginner , not saying it is the best bow , but the tolerance it got is pretty friendly for one just get into archery , means even beginner can perform well with it , and the stacking is at a acceptable degree. It cost around 100~150 on amzon , but even cheaper if u can do a online purchase from China , it's like around 60~80 only. At the cost sooooo low and a decent performance (compare to others at the price around 300~500) , there's no doubt that this is the best option for rookie.
Now I've seen Nu have a ton of fun shooting super low draw weights *and* draw weights above his usual. It seems like Nu might simply just love archery, or something!
I have a Mandarin Duck bow with 50 lb. pull and have not used it yet since I am still looking for some arrows and arm piece to get the bow ready. I just received a stringer, but is having a problem getting the string on the bow. I thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us and I hope you are having a nice weekend.
Is there a "is it still good" video for this bow? Or more direclty, I like the look and shape of the grip/ riser on this one, the mk2 has the arrow rest. The question being: the black hunter or sage to start?
If you’re having trouble with your arrow tips coming unscrewed you can get some orthodontic rubber bands (for braces) and twist one around the tip just above the threading. The tips won’t go anywhere.
Did you order yours off their website? “mandarinduck.net”? I’m trying to order it but I want to be sure the website is credible. If you could get back to me thanks! I know this was years ago
Would love to try that bow. I am stuck with a 25 pound Barnett sports flight. Yeah the longbow that they called a recurve. Still for $2. Not a bad deal. 350 spines using d loop and homemade finger release and installed wisket bisket. Having great fun.
Thanks to this review, I just ordered a 55 pound Black Hunter, along with the dampening / silencing system, arm protector, silicon finger tabs and a leather glove. Grand total = $212.00. No arrows were available at the moment so I will have to get those elsewhere, along with a quiver.
@@CANADIANBACC0N Mandarin Duck website. It takes a couple of weeks to ship but it's worth the wait. I also purchased 45 pound replacement limbs for the bow. As I previously never shot anything other than a crossbow, the 55 pound limbs hurt my left elbow. After replacing them with the 45 pound limbs, I'm shooting 1000 arrows a week with no physical problems. I plan to move back up to the 55 pound limbs in a week or so. Can't go wrong ordering replacement limbs with your initial purchase
How's the black hunter holding up? I've held off due to the multiple reviews of the bow splitting and the string breaking. It's such a good looking bow with seemingly a lot of potential, but I'm not interested in throwing away my money or smacking myself in the face on the draw...
Shooting 10 yards, did the small sight window present a problem? I have this bow in 30 lbs, and shooting 18 yards, I have to aim low, such that the intended target is above the top of the sight window. From a greater distance, the target probably comes into the sight window, but from shorter distances, the sight window is well below the impact point for me.
Curious, what spine arrows were you flinging? I have been shooting 500 off mine @ 50# and for the most part they are accurate. It’s been fairly hard for me to tell when it’s just form error when the shoot off center or if my shafts are too lightly spined
Nu,Can u help me. I have this bow. Just got. 40@28 my draw approx 29.shooting 30in arrows turkey feathers .400 spine. Having flight issues. Still working on nock adjustment and brace. But wanted to know what arrows(size & spine ) u recommend for this bow at 40lb draw approx 29-29.5 draw length
HELLO, NUSensei. I am a begginer at this. As a tall person, My arm wingspan is 190.. is this bow too short for me? It seems like very good, but i am affraid it has too short drow length for my long arms. Thank you a lot for help
Hey NUSensei thank you for the video!.. I’m new to archery so I thought this would be a good bow to start with... I recently purchased the black hunter and am waiting for it to arrive, but it was only after I purchased it that I realized I ordered the 60” “longbow” version instead of the 58” “recurve” version because in the description the seller called it a “60 inch Recurve American Longbow” and I only now realized what some of the differences between the two are..... Would you be able to tell me what I can expect from the differences between the two as I originally meant to buy the recurve?? And whether or not i should cancel or keep the longbow and go with the recurve?? Target archery and eventual hunting is what I plan to focus on if that makes it easier to answer. Much Thanks in advance!!!
Hiya, do you think, the recurve or longbow version, would be better, for first buy? Im 6'1" 190lbs, use to heavy lifting, trucker. So would 35 -40lbs be good starting weight? Cheers guys.
Okay I need your help. Samick Sage or Mandarin Duck? I have some experience with shooting other bows, but this will be my first bow that I own. I’m just looking for something I can hit targets with it the backyard and on camping trips. I’m a 13 year old boy and want to buy a 30 pound bow, that will still deliver a powerful satisfying shot. Thanks.
I have one the same and absolutely love it. It's not my first bow otherwise I think it would have been impossible for me to draw fully. I'm quite a big guy so pull 31 inch. For me this bow in 50lb pulls 62lb. If you're thinking of getting 1, I'm a big guy, 6'3" 18st+, spent a lot of years in the gmn to get my weight up, but still my first bow was a 30lb (me pulling about 36lb) which seemed really heavy at first. In the gym your regular lifts and exercises are in the wrong direction for archery so start light and give your ligaments a chance and start light. You sing learn to cycle in top gear! Now I can go out and shoot until it gets dark and really enjoy this bow. I use vanes instead of feathers and shoot off the shelf with seal skin on shelf and plate and the cock feather to top which seems to work pretty well. I might convert to feather at some stage after seeing this though 👍
How's the black hunter holding up? I've held off due to the multiple reviews of the bow splitting and the string breaking. It's such a good looking bow with seemingly a lot of potential, but I'm not interested in throwing away my money or smacking myself in the face on the draw...
By my measurements I have a draw of approx 30" (I have long arms) Would this bow be suitable for me? According to one website it says I need a 68" bow. (I'm 5' 11" and with arms stretched out I measure 71" fingertip to fingertip.)
Remember that the charts refer to optimal bow lengths for stability. You can use a shorter hunting-style bow, but it will stack more and feel less stable.
From my understanding they have made an upgrade to the design. It looks like Armin received a new model riser (5/16 limb bolts) with old model limbs (1/4" holes). Apparently new model replacement or upgrade limbs (large hole) can be used on old model risers provided you sleeve the bolt hole with 5/16 OD nylon tube cut to length and bored out to 1/4" with a drill bit
I know it's been quite a while since this video was released. I own the Phantom but I'd like to use slightly longer limbs. Are the Black Hunter's limbs compatible with the Phantom's riser?
I didn't know Uryu Ishida had a YT Channel lol. I've been watching NuSensei's videos non stop, I don't even do archery or ever thought of doing it, until know I guess haha. Really cool stuff!
Anyone know if this bow is the same as the Junxing f171 Black Hunter? They both look the same and the Junxing models are known for being rebranded often...
I've been looking at this bow quite a bit. However according to my measurements, I'm 6'1 tall with 71" arm span, putting me at draw length of 28.4 inch. Am I going to run into stacking problems?
I did draw this bow to about 30", since I prefer an anchor behind my jaw bone, and didn't notice any stacking problems (on 50# limbs so I'd probably notice). The tip of one of my limbs snapped off though. I'm going to go for a different bow than this one because I'm concerned about the durability of this model now, and don't want to spend a bunch more on something that failed me (after only about 5 months). A few inches overdraw shouldn't mean snapping limbs, the little polymer(?) piece that's laminated on the end cracked where the string lays on it, where it is thinnest, just wasn't up to the job.
I'm a relatively strong 14 year old, what draw weight would you recommend? I've been saving up for a bow, but not sure how to determine my draw weight. Any advice would be much appreciated 😃
Curious that with all the favorable reviews out there for these particular products, the price of the Black Hunter and the Dragonborn quiver just went up significantly, as in $40 to $50. This is based on their website as of this posting. Nice. Sure glad I had already purchased mine.
Sensei (or anyone else who knows) - Could you suggest a 100-200 euros traditional Asian ("horse") bow to get? I am looking at Alibow and Sarmat ones, but i haven't decided...
Note: All other Chinese takedown bows the washers are glued or fixed to the limbs so don't forget to when you disassemble it and the washers stay in place briefly from pressure that they will fall off and you won't find them, ask me how I know.
Hi NUSensei, I've been loving your videos mate. And have seen your reviews of Mandarin Duck Phantom, Black Hunter and Strider ILF. I'm a beginner, pretty strong male. Might like the idea of a sight installed for accuracy but could turn a blind eye to one if not really needed. I was aiming for 35 pound draw weight and just using the one set up forever. Might you have a preference of those three bows or any other options you might recommend? I want to shoot target practice at a field or in semi-rural property, but would also like to be able to take it out in the field if ever needed (kind of hunting survival). Thanks for any thoughts you may be able to provide!
I've just got one and its a lovely bow, fits so well in the hand and is so much fun to shoot. Hell, I'll even go as far as saying my reaction to shooting the bow was the same, it elicited a Oooooh out of me too :)
How's the black hunter holding up? I've held off due to the multiple reviews of the bow splitting and the string breaking. It's such a good looking bow with seemingly a lot of potential, but I'm not interested in throwing away my money or smacking myself in the face on the draw...
@@chriss.3476 Mine's holding up beautifully, I use it every other day for an hour or so and have had no issues. And I'm still using the original string. IMO It's well worth the investment.
@@jimdigriz2923 thank you. I appreciate you letting me know. It's been sitting in my Amazon cart for almost a week now. It's hard to ignore that many reviews about breaking limbs and strings. What weight did you get? I'm wondering if the breaks are tied to the heavier bows... Also, did you get the one that's sold by Obert (the one that comes up if you search in Amazon) or did you go directly through Mandarin?
@@jimdigriz2923 thanks for the quick reply. I wonder if there's a correlation with the lighter weight and it coming directly from Mandarin to yours not breaking.
I bought this bow recently after starting out on more Olympic style bows at the archery range. one of the things I can't get used to is shooting straight off the shelf. I often get painfully grazed by the arrows on my index finger knuckle. maybe hunting bows are meant to be held differently? I'm using Musen 30" carbon arrows. any suggestions??
Bought this for my first bow a few months ago from Lancaster Archery where it's sold as the Galaxy Ember for about $200. Opted for the 30# longbow limbs and I absolutely love it. I have a 30.5" draw and don't notice any stacking whatsoever. Glad to finally see you review it @nusensei! Thinking about buying a pair of $40 recurve limb in the future. Might opt for to get them from Mandarin duck since they seem to be cheaper.
if you want . , its not exclusive to barebow, its just a ,method for manually changing the tiller effect of the bow changing the elevation of the arrow from how the sting angel pulls different on the limbs, one faster than the other coming to brace height, uneven stress on the limbs
TrollGnonpom what is your draw length? I notice a small amount of string pinch at 30.5 but you might feel more if you have a longer draw. This also varies based on the person as well
5 years old video and I have recently become aware of this bow. I have had a Samick 70 inch target bow but sold it around 20 years ago. Now I am interested to shoot bow again, but more natural style. Without all new technical features. This bow looks exactly what I want. I just wonder what strength to choose. My Samick was at first 36 pounds and I got 42 pounds limbs after a while when I got more trained. Maybe I start with 30 pounds. This bow is so cheap anyway, so I can buy another stronger after a while.
I'm a beginner archer and got myself the Black Hunter longbow. However, my first bow came with defective limbs which made me wait another two weeks for replacement. Most fun part of the story begins when after receiving the Black Hunter longbow second time I realized that I ordered a left-handed raiser. I did not notice it because it did not really affect precision and accuracy. I really enjoy shooting Black Hunter and dont want to wait anymore for a replacement. If someone has come across the same situation, please share what bad can happen if you shoot from left-handed bow from right-handed stance?
It's not the brand and model of bow that you have to worry about when picking arrows. You should be considering the poundage of the bow; Heavier draw weight means you'll want a stiffer arrow. Whether you're shooting off the shelf of the bow or an arrow rest; You'll want feather fletchings when resting the arrow on the shelf so that when the two collide the fletchings can yield, and plastic vanes are good for shooting off arrow rests because arrow rests are designed to yield instead. If you shoot plastic vanes off the shelf neither will want to yield and so destabilizing forces will be applied to the arrow as it leaves. As a beginner honestly don't even worry about arrow length, just go for something in the 30"-32" range, you'll have to get comfortable with technique before you even know your ideal draw length, let alone having the tuning of arrows make any difference to your shooting. I get good results using carbon arrows with a spine of 400 for this bow, my bow being a 50# variant. Plastic vane arrows are easier to find/cheaper and arrow rests are cheap and can just be stuck on with like double-sided tape (didn't come with the bow by default). I started with el' cheapo fiberglass arrows ignoring all this stuff and they do not fly straight or give a good experience.
This will be my first bow and I had the exact same question haha I'm getting mine in 40lbs and was also wondering what kind of arrows for it. Thanks for the info! I can't wait to shoot it when it arrives!
Did you end up getting the black hunter? I've held off due to the multiple reviews of the bow splitting and the string breaking. It's such a good looking bow with seemingly a lot of potential, but I'm not interested in throwing away my money or smacking myself in the face on the draw...
Just ordered a 35lb ! Hope my back is ok with that, car accident ten years ago but still get niggles. I'm quite strong now though being a gardener. Good review I hope!
Good evening... could I ask what spine arrows you would use for this bow 50lb 29inch draw, 31inch arrows. what spine would you recommend please. Love your videos!
Are their any real differences between this bow from mandarin duck and the galaxy ember from lancaster archery? or is it really just the same bow renamed and sold for $80 more
Well, the silly "Black Hunter" logo is removed, it's sold by Lancaster and it's easy to deal with them if you have a problem. Apparently they come with fast flight there too. Less likely to have problems in general
Just got 60" MK2. Not impressed with the craftmanship of the bow. The fit the top limb is slightly off. And the riser has gaps in the laminated material. But am big fan of NUSensei.
what draw weight would you recommend a medium size adult(160lbs, DL 29") that comes from compound bow of 55 lbs? would you say 45 lbs as a start or should i start at 40lbs?
when you pull with the trapezius your elbow drops down and hand goes up into the glasses , not enough rotation around to the back with rhomboid contraction and or elbow behind the arrow .or maybe your entorhinal cortex need a connection to the smaller brain to create some decent motor skill and pathways. I assume you use muscles to shoot and not instinct
Anchor to the corner of your mouth, and the string will always be in front of your glasses. If you anchor to your ear--you will shoot your glasses off every time !! I'm a bowhunter with glasses !!
Steve Andrews thanks man I tried out anchoring to the corner of my mouth with my middle finger and it's working 1,000,000 times better. I've been doing archery for about a month now learning as I go and just now I set my anchor in stone. Lol
hey, they even have longbow limbs for this riser (ok 60" is rather 'short bow' :-)) but the option to have the same riser with longbow and recurve limbs is nice to have ...
I guess I have to improve my English somewhat ... 60" ... LONGbow ??? doesn't ring a bell on your side ? Yes it's a "hunting" bow like any other bow with sufficient draw weight no matter the size and construction ....
I actually have this bow with both the longbow and recurve limbs. First off I have to say there isn’t a great deal of difference between them, I personally think the recurve limbs are better performance wise, but the longbow limbs are quieter. The longbow limbs also don’t feel much like traditional longbows I’ve shot before, I have a 68” longbow in 40lbs and when I shoot that I know I’ve shot a longbow, I get the longbow thud in the hand, while my Black Hunter 60” 40lb bow gives no such feeling when shooting, there isn’t any appreciable thud to the hand. I’m happy with both, but I have to say when I’m going for very accurate target shooting and I care about my score, I choose the recurve version, for me I just feel more confident and accurate with it for some reason. Same arrows, same poundage, same distance but I always get tighter groupings with the recurve model.
Love the videos and information given. My question is how do I stop hitting my nose when shooting/loosing arrows. I hit anchor and when I release. My nose is like stop doing this. I am new to archery and I want to keep doing it. Bow Bear Montana 50#. 28"draw. Three under shooter. HCan you help me please
Remember if you shoot off of the shelf, use feather fletching. Vanes will jump off of the shelf. I think it's important to tell newer archers.
That actually happened to me last week. I'll tell you, you only make that mistake once ;)
I ... Did not know that(im new). Ive not noticed the arrows jumping though. They still fly straight
Plastic Vanes tend to not flex or smoosh down like feathers do. If you shoot off of a raised rest, your vanes should bypass the shelf of the bow, but if you just place your arrows on the shelf itself, the two vanes facing your bow tend to make the arrow slightly skip off of the riser.
Your arrow will naturally straighten out on flight because of your vanes, but it becomes difficult to shoot consistently because of the added variable.
I hardly notice any difference worth mentioning from vane to feathers , its more about the nock point and spine
Morten Jacobsen, the beauty of archery is, like a golf swing or batting/pitching in baseball, there is a standard rule to form, but in the end, and long as your form is consistent, do what works for you.
I bought this bow when I started archery and it's been teaching me how to shoot for the last 4 years!
Craig Gregory does it have the velvet on the limb as well because some people reviewed it and it doesn’t have it
@@ciaracook-j8y I got one it does
@@boygenius538_8 okay thanks 😊
How's the black hunter holding up? I've held off due to the multiple reviews of the bow splitting and the string breaking. It's such a good looking bow with seemingly a lot of potential, but I'm not interested in throwing away my money or smacking myself in the face on the draw...
@@chriss.3476 I’ve been using it for a few months and it’s perfect, best 100 I ever spent.
I bought one of these recently in 40# after developing an interest in archery mostly thanks to your videos. Many happy hours shooting so far.
How you like it so far? im thinking of getting one
I'm still happy with it
I've got some questions to that bow because i also am seeking for a good beginner bow to start archery with:
-Does it rather feel cheap or like good
quality and confident?
-Do you think you can shoot on trees
etc with that?
-and how do you get along with that bow? Is it good for beginners?Do you have a rather fast or slow learning progress
Its a good quality bow for barebow shooting. Feels solid enough. Probably better off getting the lower draw weight for a beginner. Use feather fletchings if you are shooting off the shelf.
jimmytechnologies Ok. Thanks for the quick response.
I just got this bow 45lbs draw weight. I’m an intermediate but relearning archer and this bow suits my needs pretty well. Slings arrows fast and straight. New to traditional archery I started out with a small compound. I like the simplicity of this style.
It looks so compact with that short riser. I like the dark look of it, and the fact that it has those pins on it to keep the limbs from going on an angle. For $100 that's solid value.
riser is 15 inch
@David Munir $110 on Amazon rn ik it's almost a year later
The longbow limbs with bamboo are a dream.Great review
That bow is sooooo beautiful. I want one sooo bad
There fairly cheap also my country there $230 👌🏽
Its only 100 dollaridoos
In America they're only $90-$100.
I'm into compounds and I want one
Just ordered! Get one now before the zombie apocalypse really kicks in!
Great bow for the money. I agree it shoots well. Feels good in the hand.
I have a black Hunter in 60lb at 28in and 150 gr up front with 400 spine beman shafts and 5in parabolic rw fletches I did myself and they send out at approx 200fps
I have just received this bow at 30 lbs, first bow I have used and bought to learn with, I cannot fault Mandarin Duck for customer service as they answered a lot of daft beginner questions and on arrival I am more than happy with the bow, only issue was no instructions on putting it together other than that it cannot be faulted for build quality and price, cannot wait for the snow to go so I can get out to use it. Great channel by the way, I am learning a lot from it.
ive shoot mine in sub zero temps , no excuse , the grp stayed warm but the limbs cold
If I knew I could hit the target I would be out there but never having used a bow before I do not fancy searching for arrows in three foot of snow! Maybe next winter when I hope I can hit the proverbial barn door!
close up blank bale shooting .. recommend 8 meters for safety, bouncers and all that . or a archery club or range is a good way to get started .
Nearest club is a three hour drive away! Blank bale shooting? Will look it up. Thanks
Thankyou for reviewing the Black Hunter. What advantages did the Win and Win that you mentioned have over the Black Hunter for me as a hunting bow, given that I never use sights or a stabiliser.
What kind of arrows would I use for this like the spine and that?
Mandarin Duck have been amazing at answering all my beginner's questions. Very kind and responsive. Ordering the Black Hunter 30# on their website. Can't wait to test it!
How was it?
my 60lb longbow with my 30" draw i get 64lb , love it, watching your slow mo you are creeping on your release , check it for yorself
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He is doing a great job.
Got my Black Hunter off Amazon, love it as my first bow! Wanted to address the limb screw issue you touched on, as my upper limb screw wouldn't screw in smoothly, and I thought I would strip the threads if I tried any harder. I found that by re-adjusting the angle the screw went in by just a fraction, it finally found the threads and went in smoothly. If it's not fitting in at first, don't torque it down as again, you might strip your threads.
With machine type threaded crews I always turn backwards 1 turn until I feel the thread catch, then softly hand screw until hand tight, then tool to desired torque
Good job using a little finesse there and not destroying the threads
I've had mine for a year I just shoot in my back yard but it's a really good and accurate bow
Have a lot of bows myself and finally ordered one of these Black Hunters to see how it will feel shooting it... matches one of my rifles as well so figured it will look good on display as well as shooting. Thank you for the video... ordered the same draw weight as you and seeing how you shoot it makes me more comfortable with the purchase... just now bought it... always worth checking out... for the price.
Thanks for the review I'm looking forward to trying mine as soon as I can get to my local Archery shop and get some appropriate arrows.
mother of god. first. Bought this bow because of a few positive reviews from youtube. Loving it so far, but i'm 6 feet tall and have the wingspan of a troll... the 40# limbs i picked up feel a bit more like 45# at my full draw. about an inch of shaft past the riser. MORE IMPORTANTLY... and what led me here to comment on this great review. I LOVE YOUR CHEETOH ARMOR styled quiver harness. my GF shortened kirito down to cheetoh after i showed her SAOA. cheers bruv.
To those who is interesting in buying one.
This prob be the best option if ur looking for a tradition take down with wood grip for beginner , not saying it is the best bow , but the tolerance it got is pretty friendly for one just get into archery , means even beginner can perform well with it , and the stacking is at a acceptable degree.
It cost around 100~150 on amzon , but even cheaper if u can do a online purchase from China , it's like around 60~80 only.
At the cost sooooo low and a decent performance (compare to others at the price around 300~500) , there's no doubt that this is the best option for rookie.
$149 now...still a great value and looks very nice!
You can still get the MKI for around $115.
Now I've seen Nu have a ton of fun shooting super low draw weights *and* draw weights above his usual. It seems like Nu might simply just love archery, or something!
I have a Mandarin Duck bow with 50 lb. pull and have not used it yet since I am still looking for some arrows and arm piece to get the bow ready. I just received a stringer, but is having a problem getting the string on the bow. I thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us and I hope you are having a nice weekend.
Is there a "is it still good" video for this bow?
Or more direclty, I like the look and shape of the grip/ riser on this one, the mk2 has the arrow rest. The question being: the black hunter or sage to start?
If you’re having trouble with your arrow tips coming unscrewed you can get some orthodontic rubber bands (for braces) and twist one around the tip just above the threading. The tips won’t go anywhere.
Like others have asked, please do a comparison of the same bow with longbow limbs. Thank you.
Mandarin duck, when you just need something to fling arrows out! Love mine great review.
Did you order yours off their website? “mandarinduck.net”? I’m trying to order it but I want to be sure the website is credible. If you could get back to me thanks! I know this was years ago
Would love to try that bow. I am stuck with a 25 pound Barnett sports flight. Yeah the longbow that they called a recurve. Still for $2. Not a bad deal. 350 spines using d loop and homemade finger release and installed wisket bisket. Having great fun.
Thanks to this review, I just ordered a 55 pound Black Hunter, along with the dampening / silencing system, arm protector, silicon finger tabs and a leather glove. Grand total = $212.00. No arrows were available at the moment so I will have to get those elsewhere, along with a quiver.
Where did you purchase?
@@CANADIANBACC0N Mandarin Duck website. It takes a couple of weeks to ship but it's worth the wait. I also purchased 45 pound replacement limbs for the bow. As I previously never shot anything other than a crossbow, the 55 pound limbs hurt my left elbow. After replacing them with the 45 pound limbs, I'm shooting 1000 arrows a week with no physical problems. I plan to move back up to the 55 pound limbs in a week or so. Can't go wrong ordering replacement limbs with your initial purchase
I just bought that exact bow 60lb I absolutely love it.
was that your first bow? is it possible to start with a 60 pound?
@@psary644 possible? Yes. Good idea? Hell no.
@@arenh2049 yesterday my bow with 40 pounds arrived
Could you please do this bow but with the longbow limbs please
50 lb with your short draw looks ideal for you, it seriously looks great, although I'm probably going 40lb for my first bow. It sounds very powerful.
On the Mandarin Duck website this is listed as max draw length 31" that sounds like a lot for a 60" bow. Would you say that it's correct?
Sounds about right. The modern material recurves tend to have longer max draws than traditional bows.
@@NUSensei Ok thanks. What is the downfall of maxing out a bow DL (besides increased draw weight)?
If a bow is drawn beyond its maximum DL, it might simply break.
This is the bow I bought, I like it so far.
Excuse me, which bow will you recommend: Black Hunter or Topoint R2??
Thanks..
NuSensei I Just purchased the black hunter recurve bow based on your review. And some research. I can’t wait for to come 😆
How's the black hunter holding up? I've held off due to the multiple reviews of the bow splitting and the string breaking. It's such a good looking bow with seemingly a lot of potential, but I'm not interested in throwing away my money or smacking myself in the face on the draw...
Shooting 10 yards, did the small sight window present a problem? I have this bow in 30 lbs, and shooting 18 yards, I have to aim low, such that the intended target is above the top of the sight window. From a greater distance, the target probably comes into the sight window, but from shorter distances, the sight window is well below the impact point for me.
Curious, what spine arrows were you flinging? I have been shooting 500 off mine @ 50# and for the most part they are accurate. It’s been fairly hard for me to tell when it’s just form error when the shoot off center or if my shafts are too lightly spined
Nu,Can u help me. I have this bow. Just got. 40@28 my draw approx 29.shooting 30in arrows turkey feathers .400 spine. Having flight issues. Still working on nock adjustment and brace. But wanted to know what arrows(size & spine ) u recommend for this bow at 40lb draw approx 29-29.5 draw length
HELLO, NUSensei. I am a begginer at this. As a tall person, My arm wingspan is 190.. is this bow too short for me? It seems like very good, but i am affraid it has too short drow length for my long arms. Thank you a lot for help
I want one before Christmas
well, did you get it?
Hey NUSensei thank you for the video!.. I’m new to archery so I thought this would be a good bow to start with... I recently purchased the black hunter and am waiting for it to arrive, but it was only after I purchased it that I realized I ordered the 60” “longbow” version instead of the 58” “recurve” version because in the description the seller called it a “60 inch Recurve American Longbow” and I only now realized what some of the differences between the two are..... Would you be able to tell me what I can expect from the differences between the two as I originally meant to buy the recurve?? And whether or not i should cancel or keep the longbow and go with the recurve?? Target archery and eventual hunting is what I plan to focus on if that makes it easier to answer. Much Thanks in advance!!!
Hiya, do you think, the recurve or longbow version, would be better, for first buy? Im 6'1" 190lbs, use to heavy lifting, trucker. So would 35 -40lbs be good starting weight? Cheers guys.
Okay I need your help. Samick Sage or Mandarin Duck? I have some experience with shooting other bows, but this will be my first bow that I own. I’m just looking for something I can hit targets with it the backyard and on camping trips. I’m a 13 year old boy and want to buy a 30 pound bow, that will still deliver a powerful satisfying shot.
Thanks.
He already has a video on it, look up samick sage vs mandarin duck and you should find his video easily.
I have one the same and absolutely love it.
It's not my first bow otherwise I think it would have been impossible for me to draw fully.
I'm quite a big guy so pull 31 inch. For me this bow in 50lb pulls 62lb.
If you're thinking of getting 1, I'm a big guy, 6'3" 18st+, spent a lot of years in the gmn to get my weight up, but still my first bow was a 30lb (me pulling about 36lb) which seemed really heavy at first.
In the gym your regular lifts and exercises are in the wrong direction for archery so start light and give your ligaments a chance and start light. You sing learn to cycle in top gear!
Now I can go out and shoot until it gets dark and really enjoy this bow.
I use vanes instead of feathers and shoot off the shelf with seal skin on shelf and plate and the cock feather to top which seems to work pretty well. I might convert to feather at some stage after seeing this though 👍
How's the black hunter holding up? I've held off due to the multiple reviews of the bow splitting and the string breaking. It's such a good looking bow with seemingly a lot of potential, but I'm not interested in throwing away my money or smacking myself in the face on the draw...
By my measurements I have a draw of approx 30" (I have long arms) Would this bow be suitable for me?
According to one website it says I need a 68" bow. (I'm 5' 11" and with arms stretched out I measure 71" fingertip to fingertip.)
Remember that the charts refer to optimal bow lengths for stability. You can use a shorter hunting-style bow, but it will stack more and feel less stable.
Which one you prefer, Samick Sage or Black Hunter from Mandarin Duck?
I guffawed at the intro. I love that stone faced wit you have.
I have one of these and i want to get a new string but i have no clue what to get, any recommendations?
From my understanding they have made an upgrade to the design. It looks like Armin received a new model riser (5/16 limb bolts) with old model limbs (1/4" holes). Apparently new model replacement or upgrade limbs (large hole) can be used on old model risers provided you sleeve the bolt hole with 5/16 OD nylon tube cut to length and bored out to 1/4" with a drill bit
I know it's been quite a while since this video was released. I own the Phantom but I'd like to use slightly longer limbs. Are the Black Hunter's limbs compatible with the Phantom's riser?
No. Phantom and Black hunter has their own riser and limbs.
@@greenhoodedvigilante458 Thank you for your reply. I guess I'll have to take alternatives into consideration then.
I didn't know Uryu Ishida had a YT Channel lol. I've been watching NuSensei's videos non stop, I don't even do archery or ever thought of doing it, until know I guess haha. Really cool stuff!
So, his name is uryu ishida
Anyone know if this bow is the same as the Junxing f171 Black Hunter? They both look the same and the Junxing models are known for being rebranded often...
Is there an arrow rest that works for this? The riser has too much curve for a hard rest to mount
I have just recieved this, but mine doesn't have the blackhunter logo on the riser. Does it mean I got the fake one or anything? I'm new to archery :(
I've been looking at this bow quite a bit. However according to my measurements, I'm 6'1 tall with 71" arm span, putting me at draw length of 28.4 inch. Am I going to run into stacking problems?
I pull right at 28 and no stacking. I have 35# recurve and 40# longbow limbs. I like the longbow limbs better, but no stacking.
I did draw this bow to about 30", since I prefer an anchor behind my jaw bone, and didn't notice any stacking problems (on 50# limbs so I'd probably notice). The tip of one of my limbs snapped off though. I'm going to go for a different bow than this one because I'm concerned about the durability of this model now, and don't want to spend a bunch more on something that failed me (after only about 5 months). A few inches overdraw shouldn't mean snapping limbs, the little polymer(?) piece that's laminated on the end cracked where the string lays on it, where it is thinnest, just wasn't up to the job.
I'm a relatively strong 14 year old, what draw weight would you recommend? I've been saving up for a bow, but not sure how to determine my draw weight. Any advice would be much appreciated 😃
25-35 pounds is probably best for you.
Curious that with all the favorable reviews out there for these particular products, the price of the Black Hunter and the Dragonborn quiver just went up significantly, as in $40 to $50. This is based on their website as of this posting. Nice. Sure glad I had already purchased mine.
What arrows are you useing and what is the length of the arrows I should get for this bow if I get a 40lb one
Sensei (or anyone else who knows) - Could you suggest a 100-200 euros traditional Asian ("horse") bow to get? I am looking at Alibow and Sarmat ones, but i haven't decided...
Hi. Do you think that it´s a good bow for a beginner? 25/30 pound. Tk
Hi Sir, may I know is this bow a bare bow or hunting bow, are there any differences between bare bow and hunting bow? Thank you in advance
Note: All other Chinese takedown bows the washers are glued or fixed to the limbs so don't forget to when you disassemble it and the washers stay in place briefly from pressure that they will fall off and you won't find them, ask me how I know.
Hello
How do you think it would be with a 31.5" draw ,
Cheers
Hi NUSensei, I've been loving your videos mate. And have seen your reviews of Mandarin Duck Phantom, Black Hunter and Strider ILF. I'm a beginner, pretty strong male. Might like the idea of a sight installed for accuracy but could turn a blind eye to one if not really needed. I was aiming for 35 pound draw weight and just using the one set up forever. Might you have a preference of those three bows or any other options you might recommend? I want to shoot target practice at a field or in semi-rural property, but would also like to be able to take it out in the field if ever needed (kind of hunting survival). Thanks for any thoughts you may be able to provide!
I have this bow but I really dont know what kind of arrows I need for it.. please help!!
OOO was waiting for this one
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Just what I needed! Thank you soo much!
Hello sir , i just wanna ask , bout the black hunter bow , can the bow add the 3 pin sight
I've just got one and its a lovely bow, fits so well in the hand and is so much fun to shoot. Hell, I'll even go as far as saying my reaction to shooting the bow was the same, it elicited a Oooooh out of me too :)
How's the black hunter holding up? I've held off due to the multiple reviews of the bow splitting and the string breaking. It's such a good looking bow with seemingly a lot of potential, but I'm not interested in throwing away my money or smacking myself in the face on the draw...
@@chriss.3476 Mine's holding up beautifully, I use it every other day for an hour or so and have had no issues. And I'm still using the original string. IMO It's well worth the investment.
@@jimdigriz2923 thank you. I appreciate you letting me know. It's been sitting in my Amazon cart for almost a week now. It's hard to ignore that many reviews about breaking limbs and strings. What weight did you get? I'm wondering if the breaks are tied to the heavier bows...
Also, did you get the one that's sold by Obert (the one that comes up if you search in Amazon) or did you go directly through Mandarin?
@@chriss.3476 I went with the 30lb draw directly from Mandarin.
@@jimdigriz2923 thanks for the quick reply. I wonder if there's a correlation with the lighter weight and it coming directly from Mandarin to yours not breaking.
I bought this bow recently after starting out on more Olympic style bows at the archery range. one of the things I can't get used to is shooting straight off the shelf. I often get painfully grazed by the arrows on my index finger knuckle. maybe hunting bows are meant to be held differently? I'm using Musen 30" carbon arrows. any suggestions??
Are you using plastic vanes? If you shoot off the shelf, you are meant to use feather fletched arrows.
Picked up my Longbow. Love it!
Bought this for my first bow a few months ago from Lancaster Archery where it's sold as the Galaxy Ember for about $200. Opted for the 30# longbow limbs and I absolutely love it. I have a 30.5" draw and don't notice any stacking whatsoever. Glad to finally see you review it @nusensei!
Thinking about buying a pair of $40 recurve limb in the future. Might opt for to get them from Mandarin duck since they seem to be cheaper.
i only paid..... never mind ... shop keepers gotta eat and keep the lights on
I also have a long DL. No issue with finger pinch with such a short bow and >30" draw length? Can you use string walking?
if you want . , its not exclusive to barebow, its just a ,method for manually changing the tiller effect of the bow changing the elevation of the arrow from how the sting angel pulls different on the limbs, one faster than the other coming to brace height, uneven stress on the limbs
Morten Jacobsen thank you for the answer. Any counter indication on using that bow with a long draw length? Should I go with a longer one?
TrollGnonpom what is your draw length? I notice a small amount of string pinch at 30.5 but you might feel more if you have a longer draw. This also varies based on the person as well
I’m a novice, what type of arrows should I get to go with this bow?
Do limbs require tightening before the bow is strung each day? Do vibrations eventually loosen the screws?
Best to check them. But I doubt they will a ton. Pellet rifles don't back screws out that much even.
5 years old video and I have recently become aware of this bow. I have had a Samick 70 inch target bow but sold it around 20 years ago. Now I am interested to shoot bow again, but more natural style. Without all new technical features. This bow looks exactly what I want.
I just wonder what strength to choose. My Samick was at first 36 pounds and I got 42 pounds limbs after a while when I got more trained. Maybe I start with 30 pounds. This bow is so cheap anyway, so I can buy another stronger after a while.
I'm a beginner archer and got myself the Black Hunter longbow. However, my first bow came with defective limbs which made me wait another two weeks for replacement. Most fun part of the story begins when after receiving the Black Hunter longbow second time I realized that I ordered a left-handed raiser. I did not notice it because it did not really affect precision and accuracy. I really enjoy shooting Black Hunter and dont want to wait anymore for a replacement. If someone has come across the same situation, please share what bad can happen if you shoot from left-handed bow from right-handed stance?
So i was planning on this bow being my first bow, but can someone please recommend which arrows to even look for that work well with this bow?
It's not the brand and model of bow that you have to worry about when picking arrows. You should be considering the poundage of the bow; Heavier draw weight means you'll want a stiffer arrow. Whether you're shooting off the shelf of the bow or an arrow rest; You'll want feather fletchings when resting the arrow on the shelf so that when the two collide the fletchings can yield, and plastic vanes are good for shooting off arrow rests because arrow rests are designed to yield instead. If you shoot plastic vanes off the shelf neither will want to yield and so destabilizing forces will be applied to the arrow as it leaves. As a beginner honestly don't even worry about arrow length, just go for something in the 30"-32" range, you'll have to get comfortable with technique before you even know your ideal draw length, let alone having the tuning of arrows make any difference to your shooting. I get good results using carbon arrows with a spine of 400 for this bow, my bow being a 50# variant. Plastic vane arrows are easier to find/cheaper and arrow rests are cheap and can just be stuck on with like double-sided tape (didn't come with the bow by default). I started with el' cheapo fiberglass arrows ignoring all this stuff and they do not fly straight or give a good experience.
This will be my first bow and I had the exact same question haha I'm getting mine in 40lbs and was also wondering what kind of arrows for it. Thanks for the info! I can't wait to shoot it when it arrives!
Did you end up getting the black hunter? I've held off due to the multiple reviews of the bow splitting and the string breaking. It's such a good looking bow with seemingly a lot of potential, but I'm not interested in throwing away my money or smacking myself in the face on the draw...
Just ordered a 35lb ! Hope my back is ok with that, car accident ten years ago but still get niggles. I'm quite strong now though being a gardener. Good review I hope!
Good evening... could I ask what spine arrows you would use for this bow 50lb 29inch draw, 31inch arrows. what spine would you recommend please. Love your videos!
Black hunter vs phantom, what do you think?
Are their any real differences between this bow from mandarin duck and the galaxy ember from lancaster archery? or is it really just the same bow renamed and sold for $80 more
Well, the silly "Black Hunter" logo is removed, it's sold by Lancaster and it's easy to deal with them if you have a problem. Apparently they come with fast flight there too. Less likely to have problems in general
Would you recommend this over the samik sage. I'm new to archery 🏹 want to buy one mainly for hunting rabbits and backyard targets
They're equivalent bows.
Yep, I'll be picking this one up, it looks so good!
Just got 60" MK2. Not impressed with the craftmanship of the bow. The fit the top limb is slightly off. And the riser has gaps in the laminated material. But am big fan of NUSensei.
what draw weight would you recommend a medium size adult(160lbs, DL 29") that comes from compound bow of 55 lbs? would you say 45 lbs as a start or should i start at 40lbs?
I’ll say 40 but if you think you can handle starting at 45 i’d go for it
If you are absolute beginner, anything beyond 30 lbs is not recommended.
Honest review, thanks for your effort !!
Junxing or mandarin duck , they are the same ?
Hey Nusensei, i use tbe same bow but with 40lbs, my draw is about 26 and half. what is the arrow spine you would recommend to me.
Not him but i recommend using 500 spine arrow
Did they raise the price because its 150 on the website now
How does this compare to the Bear Kodiak Take Down
Nu how do you anchor without hitting your glasses??
I tend to hit my glasses a lot when anchoring or on the release.
P.S I shoot mostly instinctively
when you pull with the trapezius your elbow drops down and hand goes up into the glasses , not enough rotation around to the back with rhomboid contraction and or elbow behind the arrow .or maybe your entorhinal cortex need a connection to the smaller brain to create some decent motor skill and pathways. I assume you use muscles to shoot and not instinct
Anchor to the corner of your mouth, and the string will always be in front of your glasses. If you anchor to your ear--you will shoot your glasses off every time !! I'm a bowhunter with glasses !!
Steve Andrews thanks man I tried out anchoring to the corner of my mouth with my middle finger and it's working 1,000,000 times better. I've been doing archery for about a month now learning as I go and just now I set my anchor in stone. Lol
hey, they even have longbow limbs for this riser (ok 60" is rather 'short bow' :-)) but the option to have the same riser with longbow and recurve limbs is nice to have ...
It is a "Hunting Bow"--Hence "Black HUNTER" !! Hunting bows normally run 54" to 60" !!
I guess I have to improve my English somewhat ... 60" ... LONGbow ??? doesn't ring a bell on your side ? Yes it's a "hunting" bow like any other bow with sufficient draw weight no matter the size and construction ....
I'm 5 feet 10 (177cm) shall I buy this one to start? Thanks
What did you think of the long bow limbs vs the recurve limbs ??
I actually have this bow with both the longbow and recurve limbs. First off I have to say there isn’t a great deal of difference between them, I personally think the recurve limbs are better performance wise, but the longbow limbs are quieter.
The longbow limbs also don’t feel much like traditional longbows I’ve shot before, I have a 68” longbow in 40lbs and when I shoot that I know I’ve shot a longbow, I get the longbow thud in the hand, while my Black Hunter 60” 40lb bow gives no such feeling when shooting, there isn’t any appreciable thud to the hand.
I’m happy with both, but I have to say when I’m going for very accurate target shooting and I care about my score, I choose the recurve version, for me I just feel more confident and accurate with it for some reason. Same arrows, same poundage, same distance but I always get tighter groupings with the recurve model.
Can you put a stick on arrow rest on this?
NuSensei, what kind arrow do you for that bow? thanks,
Enjoyed the review. Thank you.
Where can I purchase one of these from the uk? Any help appreciated guys
Mines just arrived today, lovely bow!
Love the videos and information given. My question is how do I stop hitting my nose when shooting/loosing arrows. I hit anchor and when I release. My nose is like stop doing this. I am new to archery and I want to keep doing it. Bow Bear Montana 50#. 28"draw. Three under shooter. HCan you help me please
This is unfortunately a side-effect of three-under/string-walking. Archers typically put tape on their noses.