How Pros Are Abusing Monitor Distance
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 มิ.ย. 2024
- Uncovering exactly what effect sitting close or far to your monitor has on your aim and gameplay.
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00:00 Pro player distance & intro
00:38 What screen distance does
00:51 Human vision & target size
03:43 How it changes mouse sensitivity
04:54 Zoom sensitivity
06:12 Field of view and target speed
07:54 Practical applications
10:09 Finding your best screen distance
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bro if i sat that close id fucking coat the screen in spit
this is so true
lmaoo
say it don't spray it
@@peacemaker6996 what ith i thaid i canth
Aftermarked usb wipers for the screen 👍
And mother always told me I was sitting too close to the television
In summary, they sit closer to make the enemy bigger.
My friend, I thank you for saving my time.
sacrificing their peripheral vision information. It might be beneficial in tac shooters, but not really worth its drawbacks.. @@Pejatube
@@Pejatube .. and try around with leaning *slightly back* in the heat of the moment - and maybe lean forward for the sniper shot.
being conscious of the changes - but changing is important imo. but im no pro aimer like struth...^^'
@@user-dm4on1zz2b100% worth it imo. I’ve been doing this for years now
makes sense, but shrinking your fov also means you need a higher sensitivity to turn around fully so maybe its not for everyone.
For anybody who enjoys being close to the screen, I highly recommend getting some sort of monitor arm that allows you to swing it out, that way you can sit in "perfect" posture while still being able to put the monitor a few cm from your eyes.
LISTEN TO THIS! It feels like a hack to get your screen near you and still having space for your mousepad + keyboard under your monitor.
i just bought one literally last night, this a whole different lifestyle i’m always in a comfortable position. I be watching movies laid back in my chair
I was gonna say that, too. Struth is using a monitor stand on top of his tower. 😞
dont harm your eyes
I recommend not doing this at all, if you have to just get a bigger screen but that's horrible for your eyes
You NEED to get a monitor arm im begging you
Those Esports guys were actually just intimidating their monitors 8:55
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I truly appreciate these longer a more detailed videos, I get a lot more out of it. I also feel like I can more easily improve myself
godly video. Godly gameplay, godly educational/informational advice.. Thanks for that fov lesson
my personal experience in csgo/cs2 is that if i sit closer i am more accurate / have faster reaction times (probably placebo?), but for other games that are not competitive i move the monitor as far back as possible to reduce eye strain and have as much awareness. i don't think i've seen any league of legends pros sitting close to their monitors as in cs
Possibly its easier for you to focus if the monitor is the only thing in your FOV. 24in does have a very nice edge in that regard because if it is right up in your face you can see the whole screen without having to adjust your head at all. I adapted from kissing a 24 to a more relaxed 27 1440p monitor and still score 115k+ gridshot scores and do well in the FPS I play but i guess it comes down to how you perceive space and your adaptability.
Lots crucial information are at the edge of the screen in Mobas so sitting closer is actually really bad.
@@diwanthegreat i agree
bro i just found your channel and i lovveeee it. some of the topics you cover just blow my mind and the way you illustrate your points is top tier
love the more in depth vids. would like to see a vid about eye strain if possible :D
thank you so much for this video! I've always wondered about this topic and if I should be implementing it.
I remember commenting this topic as a video idea around a year ago, i was waiting since when since i was curious to see your intake on the topic, im gadly its out (even tho i already tried it all possibly distances) great content as always struth :p
Great video, and super interesting concept. Not sure if anyone else feels like this, but I actually feel much more confident when the monitor is further away (Its a similar effect to when I have a higher FOV). It must be the ability for my paraphernal vision to more easily see what is changing around me, and gives me better reference. Recently I moved my monitor away, and it feels much better to me. EliGE was onto something...
Love your content!
Excellent information, I just apply this in my gameplay, and just hit more shots to target.
Amazing video! Such in-depth geekery. Struth!
glad to hear i dont need to optimize my setup more 😤 am sitting at around arms lenght away (motinor reaches my wrists) and wont try bothering with monitor distance anymore..
long ago changed my gaming posture from the fortnite era mongraal to yours that you showcased in this or kovaaks channel and its been a big help
also if im not feeling lazy i might try stacking my mouse pads... but the problem is that my artisan hien is rough unlike my favorite pad artisan zero 😭 whenever i test it ill see if its too rough for my hand
Oh yeah buddy, needed this. Ty!
This video helped me so much more than you can imagine. I realized I was leaning forward a lot, so I took a moment and got how I usually play and the relaxed my shoulders because they were tense from the posture. Sat back and relaxed everything and got comfortable, it kinda restricted my aim so I moved closer and started aiming with my arm instead of my wrist and played a game of swift play on Valorant after warming up in the range. Got 9 kills which is decent but the thing is, they were all headshots and 1 taps at that. I had a 100% headshot rate that game. That means every time I shot, it only hit the head and nothing else. That’s insane!!!
10:01 Damn that Zenyatta got absolutely FOLDED! LMAO
😂😂
more in depth vids, please. these are great.
bro you always make the best vids, def one of my favorite youtubers! this was really EYE opening!
Not me gaming on a 55 inch tv at arms length and noticing how it made me better without knowing why. More information taking up more of my FOV.
The only problem with such a large tv imo is looking at the corners and outside edge. Cant tell you how many times i got shot from people just on the fringes because i was focused on the middle of the screen
something that not a lot of people know is that humans have a blind spot in our eyes. The optic nerve enters the back of the eye, so there is a spot where there is no retinal tissue because that’s where the optic nerve enters. There is a specific angle of our vision where we actually can’t see because there is no retina for light to reflect off at that angle. there’s a little trick you can do to elicit the Blindspot where you put a dot on a piece of paper and bring it up to your face and move it around until the dot disappears.
I used to use my mousepad longways forward and that made me put my screen at the other side of my desk. the other day, i finally got a smaller keyboard so i was able to put my mousepad long ways left/right, and so i was able to move my screen 6~ inches closer, and its a 27" 1440p panel and every since i moved it closer, my ability to track targets in overwatch and spot enemies in treelines and shit in tarkov is at LEAST 50% more consistent and 25%~ easier
I was undecided between buying a 24.5" 540hz and your 32" 480hz oled, when I do aim training with my current monitor (27" 1440p 270hz) in some exercises my scores go up exponentially especially in tracking scenarios the closer I am to the monitor, but I noticed that by setting a slightly lower fov... I can still keep the screen further away having the same benefits as the monitor attached to my eyes.
Bro spends 500$+ for his screen but has to place a printer below 💀
Btw video was great
I have a subwoofer below my screen 😂😂😂
It helps with desync 😂
And his monitor is too low
It’s written $500 💀
i got a crap ton of textbooks under my monitor 😅
My favorite "very close to the screen" thing was from the Overwatch meme community way back. About a McCree player who had a magnifying glass taped to his screen to "zoom" in on the center.
And about the whole "high fov for peripheral vision" vs "low fov for big targets", I ended up sticking to flat 100° in Apex. Sure it takes a bit away from the sides, but not so much that it becomes a problem. And the tiny bit further in does enough for my aim compared to the 106 or 120 maximum.
And yes, I noticed the fov-flick ratio as well. If your fov is 120, then the edge is 60° away and you have to do a 60° flick to bring a target from the edge to the center. If your FOV is 80°, you need to do a 40° flick for the same edge-to-center flick. So changing fov can and will cause you to over or undershoot.
Conclusions about “how impactful some changes can be” followed up by “why” and “when” would be great to see in future vids. I personally look for things that are worth prioritising because it can be enough to give 20% of work for 80% of result and stop there. For me its better than get overwhelmed by trying to implement all the tricks at the same time as some of them might be simply not worth the effort
Don't forget that you also see what's happening on the screen faster, as the time it takes for the light from the screen to hit your eyes, has drastically been reduced.
I truly hope you're joking
@@SilentSputnik Are you saying I'm wrong?
@@theharvestfloor1 what is the speed of light?
@@SilentSputnik The speed of light is how much time it takes for light to travel from one place to another.
@@theharvestfloor1 Yes, which is nearly 300 million kph. So sitting closer to the monitor will get the light to your eyes at most 0.0000000033 seconds earlier than usual.
Awesome video , thank you 😊
For racing games like sim ones it’s pretty typical to try and get the monitor as close as possible because it’s common to adjust in game FOV to match what you’d see in a real car. Sitting at any given monitor distance you can calculate game FOV to match reality, further distances require lower FOV thus shrinking your overall view.
So closer is great in sim racing to be able to keep a high FOV and still have it true to life
wrong, sim racers you don't want high fov due to perspective distortion, monitors should sit behind the wheel, and the wheel at arms distance
@@shadowxsm my dude I didn’t say they want a high FOV. Let me quote myself: ‘So closer is great in sim racing to be able to keep a high FOV and still have it true to life’
I’m literally agreeing with you, the only way to have a high FOV in sim racing is to have the monitor very close or else high FOVs aren’t true to life (e.g. distorted and not good for racing)
And no shit the monitor goes behind the wheel, you line it up so the dash in game is where it would be in real life. The closer you can keep it to that point the better, any further and you’re sacrificing FOV because of the extra distance
@@kyleistrying ah, my bad g, i misread your comment.
@@shadowxsm no worries 🤙
I came in a little hot replying myself, it’s all good
The advantage of moving up close is that it helps you focus at a target better especially when tracing. Focus in gaming means something a little different. Imagine you are watching a ceiling fan from a distance and notice how fast the blades are spinning. Focus is setting your eyes on a particular blade and tracking it around as it spins in a predictive manner. By zeroing in or “focusing” on 1 blade, you’ve “slowed” it down and made it easier to track.
Excellent stuff from someone with actual experience.
Id like to know whats the consensus on monitors bigger than 27" for competitive gaming?
Because I'm looking at these new 32" 240 hz screens but fear they might be too large to keep an eye (or two) on everything.
i have experienced that when ever i sit close to screen, my accuracy on small targets increases
I find that whatever reduces the surprise effect and tunnel vision is the best for me I sit at my arms length minus my hand. Mostly play cs at 2.5 x 400 or 41 cm/360 and 4:3. Have you experimented with monitor saturation and its effect on eye strain? I found that I used to prefer really saturated monitors but recently it tried turning it much lower and this resulted in a lot less stress.
The reason why being further away from the screen u aim better it's because that position allows a better control of the mouse for some reason, your arm stays in a different way, not sure why but this happens to me too.
As a person that uses 2 monitors with one of them being at 32' sitting very close to it like when I used to use a 24' is crazy on the eyes
Thats explains why my sens slower sometimes and why i play soo good one day and another day i play like a ass thanx for the content great job as always
Using this logic, couldnt it be beneficial to choose screen distance based on your arm/wrist mechanics? If you like using your wrist as much as possible, but you're terrible at high sens; move your monitor further back? Because the higher sens could be precieved lower? And vice verca.
5:30 i actually find this quite interesting since if u look at rainbow six siege quite alot of pros actually do the opposite where the zoom is 1:1 360 distance.
ive also adapted this in just about every game its possible in including apex and the best way i can describe it is i let my arm do the aiming and my eyes have basically no part in it. the idea was to keep muscle memory consistant which so far has worked for me. so its kinda shocking to hear thats not what other games fps pros do
Thats what i never understood about pro players, if you need to sit so close to your screen to see well (which is bad for eye strain) just get a bigger 27 inchg or 32 inch screen and put it further away
it doesnt work like this . 27 inch sucks for an fps competitive game. as an owner of 27 2k its pretty bad monitor for competition.. If you sit close you have more awareness and thats true at leasft for fps
@@SaluteMalute great non argument you got there. well done
@@rainingman338 get down of your high horse because you're pathetic my guy, you have a ''non argument'' what he said is 100% correct
Wonder if this changes anything.
1.) Sit how you normally sit from your monitor
2.) Cross your eyes until you see two monitors
3.) Move your head closer while keeping your eyes crossed until you form one monitor
4.) Uncross your eyes and play a match
5.) ??????
6.) Profit
personally i play best when im sitting a little back, but this video resparked a thought about having the edge of your monitor touching your peripheral vision (so you cannot see anything like background or objects on your desk. Sitting too close could have a negative impact (unless you're adjusted too it) however that might not necessarily mean its better, you've just adjusted to something dumb. It's like my friend who played video games with his headphones on backwards, after years playing like this it was made mention to him and he said he's adjusted so much he can't play normally. Mathematically speaking, this would incur extra processing time (sound queue in > brain compensates > sends signal to react)
What do you think about 32inch 4k 240hz qd oled? Or upcoming dual mode screen (240hz 4k and 480hz full hd)? Will they convince people to bigger screen?
Im using an LG C1 OLED 4k 120hz 55inch as my monitor; when playing my posture puts my eyes 47.75 inches away from the screen.
i feel more relaxed now, than when i sat closer to the Dell IPS 27inch 1440p 144hz which sat just above my kb on a monitor arm.
i can certainly feel the difference with that 24hz loss, but the gain of all that extra screen while not needing to turn my head at all is nice.
the "improved" perception of my fov is pleasant. but honestly i just wanted a 4k monitor for the higher reso and the upgrade to OLED from IPS, the rest is just comfort.
Great video. It's there an answer in your math here about optimal size of screen?
Love your channel, but man please get a monitor arm! 😅
I have one for 6 months now and it's rly an amazing upgrade, much better than what I expected. Why block mousepad & keyboard space with that box!
Other than that, thanks for the helpful tips! :)
Monitor arms are great. However, I suspect he prioritises a consistent setup rather than using an arm.
I will definitely recommend this video to a friend, who struggle with aiming.
Same PC case! It's a banger. And headphones, hah!
6:55 cought me off guard lmao that was great
he was just standing there for a whole lmg mag ads 😭 when you put ALL skill points in aim...
edit: oh nvm i see what you meant.. my fault^^'
Recently moved my monitor closer and man it’s crazy
I have Near-sightedness, also known as myopia and short-sightedness. Taking off my glasses makes things bigger, if/when I can focus and see clearly.
I wouldn't call this abusing, but it clearly is a benefit if/when things on the screen are small and 'hard to see'
On the other hand, it is annoying having to wear glasses to see 'everything' clearly normally and getting older affects ones focus abilities - fortunately there's 'PC' glasses for short-sightedness too (Not as strong as regular glasses, to bring focus area closer, while extending vision distance)
One of the greatest minds I’ve come across
Just keep pumping videos
Now thats funny, ppl always judged me for gaming on a 32in monitor, but i cant see shyt on a 27’ unless i put the screen closer to my eyes. But those same ppl have the monitor 3-5cm away from their face. 🤦🏽♂️🫡
People are sheep and lack critical thinking skills
The cilary muscle wants a display to be >1m distance. We need much larger monitors to avoid eye strain due to cilary muscle contraction.
The most insane information for me was the fact that Hots still exists
you my friend, get a like and a comment for providing actual value instead of just a click bait title and some useless fluff like 90% of youtubers.
I like my monitor arm because it lets me adjust the distance to each game i play with no change to my posture
wow such a crucial info👍🏻,u r a very gd player too
I always hear crap from people about how you need to use a 24 inch gaming monitor, that you need to see the whole screen and not "turn your head" to see the minimap. Sometimes its just a general thing they're saying because they have one, sometimes its in response to my videos or telling them i use a TV. Its like they think you're going to be sitting arms length away from a 55 inch tv. The real important aspects lf your screens specs are input latency, and frame rate, i only have ps4 and ps3 so 60fps is my limit anyways, so i researched the tvs on sale and found independent input latency tests and got one with a 19ms game mode. For fps games i sit roughly 4-5ft away.
on a side note, struth's tracking is insane
There are a few reasons pro CS players sit closer to their screens. The vast majority of pro players play on 4:3 instead of native 16:9 resolution. Probably the original reason for this was that the original monitors were 4:3, but now even young players who have never seen a CRT monitor use it to get as many frames as possible. Most pros will have the GPU artificially stretch the resolution to fit their 16:9 monitor, creating a mild "fisheye" effect, where the edges of the screen seem to be warping, like mentioned in the video. So sitting super close works really well for this. It gives the player better frames, but more importantly a larger target, both literally stretched horizontally AND perceived because they sit so much closer to their monitor. This does also make horizontal aiming and movement seem faster, so horizontal sensitivity will be perceived as higher than vertical. Also, because of the nature of the Tac FPS genre and specifically CS, you generally know where you could be threatened from and it isn't 360 degrees like arena shooters/battle royales/etc. There are some pros in Valorant who are probably former CS players who play 4:3, but to a much lesser extent, probably because stretching does not stretch player models, so the only reason to do this is to match the sensitivity ratio from CS in 4:3 and get better frames.
Great video & an amazing channel. Super informative, very thorough, concise & clear. Great job.
May I ask how important is monitor distance coefficient in games like Warzone? I am currently using a 1440p monitor and find conflicting advice online as to which setting is best. Some saying 1.78 is native to that resolution although 1.33 seems more comfortable and some even saying that zero is the way to go. Thank you.
I'm personally a fan of using zero monitor distance coefficient. That is equal to something called 'focal length scaling' which imo has the most merit of all the conversion methods.
@@StruthGaming Thanks for the reply. I'll give it a go. 👍
I tried to do close and medium distance. Def like 2.5 ft the most. I have a hard time noticing targets with anything closer. And my aim gets scuffed😊
Interesting, was awesome knowledge
Would using a larger monitor not accomplish the same thing?
Great video!! thank you!
I must add... that fan is dirty man! hahaha
Forgive me if i missed any info, but at 5:00 you mention that using cm/360 as a conversion method for your ADS and zoomed scoped is not a good conversion method to use. From your opinion, what conversion method do you think is best to get the best ADS/Zoomed scoped sensitivity for the relationship between your hipfire sensitivity and ADS/Zoomed scope sensitivity e.g. best way for the sensitivity to feel the same as hipfire/best for performance as same as hipfire sensitivity. I know that this is a largely debated topic on websites like mouse-sensitivity and no one has a definitive answer as to what the best conversion method is for ADS/Zoomed scoped sensitivity, and all say that its personal preference. Further to this, do you have any other videos out there that explore this topic yet?
I don't have a video on this specific topic just yet. Personally I find focal length scaling to have the most sound reasoning behind it, and it works well for me in-game. When I play a new game that doesn't have focal length scaling, i'll often manually adjust it until it feels right, and then later look up what the value is for focal length scaling and it's often the exact same as what I naturally found or at least very close.
Either i've adjusted to what focal length scaling feels like, or it is an intuitive conversion method.
now i understand why i'm missing some days and some days i feel like i'm pro) Just keep constant distance to the monitor.
That’s why I play on a 75” Hisense U7K with my couch about 5 feet away. It’s basically a 75” gaming monitor
I get nauseous if my monitor is too close. I have 20/15 vision so i see very well and don't need to get closer
And here am I playing competitive FPS on my gaming TV across my whole room 😅
Your FOV wouldn't Fish Bowl as bad with a curved monitor (not finished with video yet, no idea if you mention this)
So something I noticed is that the 16:9 and 107 fov valorant uses makes the player you are shooting at and your crosshair very tiny and all of the walls and roofs and ground around your cross hair way too big and take up a way too high portion of the screen space. Everything that is just a wall or ground is effectively useless when the game is tapping heads. I really dont enjoy playing on the default settings, I feel way better playing on 4:3 even though on paper it gives you no advantage in valorant unlike cs. But the advantage is that it zooms in on my crosshair and cuts out some of the BS walls on the left and right side effectively letting me sit further back since my crosshair is big enough to see cleary in great detail. When you see 4:3 players like Nats they tend to be able to sit further back than most of the 16:9 players who are literally a few centimeters from their screen. Im always shocked when i see how close people like Boaster plays. His nose is basically touching the screen
how do you think monitor resolution and size interacts with mouse DPI, when I got a bigger monitor that went from 1080p to 1440p I went form 400dpi to 1600dpi and just waited till it felt comfortable
has no coralation dpi is dots per inch not pixels per inch
@@vincentvandeperre1670 yes I understand that, but due to the change in the size of the monitor your field of view is altered no?
this then makes the lower DPI feel even slower, not technically but it FEELS slower
@@kichu9887your edpi may feel faster with bigger monitor straight in our face. but resolution has nothing to do with monitor size.
I am trying to play with my eye touching the monitor the results are shocking
Can somebody talk about how aim training and controlling recoil in a given game are two different functions?
It seems that nowadays it’s hand in hand. If you can aim well then you can control recoil well. However, recoil is subject to the game designers input. It changes unbeknownst to the player unless read into the dev notes.
We can all agree that Controlling recoil hinders aim performance making it undesirable. For example, if you were aim training a module and there’s a slight hitch in performance you’d adjust settings to maximize results.
Therefore, most people have anti-recoil macros, scripts or some advanced way to counter the game developers recoil patterns. I personally don’t believe the amount of aim training can subside the pull down mechanics of recoil control
ya bro but i put my sens at 1.0-1.05 and my mouse dpi is 4000y and 3000x because it feels too slow otherwise like it doesn't respond fast enough to my movements.
love these videos, do one for controller?
6:57 What tha 😂
so why do they are. use 24inch monitors? i thought it was so they could see more? couldnt they get 32inch and just not sit so close?
I can hear every adult from my childhood saying "Dont sit so close to the screen, youll hurt your eyes" 😂
Why does sitting super close to monitor make me feel sick but sitting further back while wearing reading glasses doesn't?... the objects appear about the same size...
Bigger monitor helps to have a ''safe'' distance from the screen, as it will increase target size, lower brightness is also safer, I play Apex on a 32'' curved monitor I don't need to be too close to have good performance...
As someone who has been gaming for 30 years, my advice is to prioritise what's best for your body. Sitting that close to a monitor drastically increases the chance of you causing irreversible damage to your eyesight. Poor posture can have devastating effects over time, so invest in monitor arms, a large desktop and I highly recommended a sit/stand desk. Take regular breaks and strengthen your body with stretching and targeted workouts. Your back, neck and shoulders need particular attention. Over time, quick mouse flicks put a lot of strain on the shoulders and can lead to permanent damage.
As someone who sits further than an arms lenght away from my 24' screen I always wondered about this as I follow the cs pro scene somewhat and personally found that it isnt necessary for visibility and reaction times to be close to the screen or al least I didnt notice any when trying to bring it closer and I find viewing the screen from further away way more comfortable
I understand far away and large screens being trash to play well on. But super close? I see issues there, too. Makes no sense to me.
amazing video dude
Thanks!
Boy let me tell you I tried this today in COD and holy shit I fried, but I am old so the entire time I had flashbacks to my mom screaming at me that if I sat to close to the tv I was going to go blind.
I love playing competitive FPS on my 32inch Monitor. Dont understand why its so unpopular.
How crazy TH-cam algorithm showing me this video 1 day after receiving my reading glasses specifically for gaming.
but there are benefits, I use an arm, only when i play CS2 I pull my monitor very closed to me, besides, its just muscle memory and practice, your brain gets used to it, also it block unnecesary stuff from your POV, helps me concentrate more and makes enemies bigger easier to hit... so it really depends on what you play and like, regardless of how you play, practice like a maniac and you will do fine
Dude moves face right in front of screen
Eyes: “please don’t”
When you accidentally tell this man to "Focus Up" in game.
good video , very informativ but with 38 and already bad eyes i keep the distance to my screen and just predict where the enemy should be xD
The crazy thing is they also play on 1080p, pro players need to move to 1440p it's so much better, especially if sitting close, and it's not that big of an fps hit if at all since they play on low anyway and have decent gpus so they'll still be CPU bottlenecked.
Putting your head closer to monitor to increase the FOV sounds great but I'd be more concerned about it affects our eye health.