Breath of the Wild's Shrines, Dungeons and Quests
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- Part 6 of my Breath of the Wild review series, where we talk about the game's "dungeony" content, as well as its quest system.
(NOTE: This review is in-depth and as such it is SPOILER-HEAVY.)
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Arlo is a top notch reviewer. The things he notices are amazing. Also his credits music is also fantastic. Love you blue guy.
I found him around the time Breath of the Wild was coming out, but didnt get into his catalog until recently. Ive commented before that we need more creators like him. Fun, safe for work and kids, smart and just such a delight. Im glad my little nephew is a fan of you as well. Keep up the awesome work.
I think he is an untrustworthy reviewer because his untempered bias often results in him overlooking or excusing the many faults of the Nintendo corporation. In short, he's pretty much just a freelance PR man who won't really give it to you straight but boy will he make sure to let you know you should buy everything Nintendo sends him. I find his style especially dangerous for the younger crowd, because of their lack of critical thinking skills, he basically propagandizes them.
@@stephenobrien6983 or, maybe he really likes Nintendo and his opinion differs vastly from yours. U know, normal stuff.
Stephen O'Brien You must not watch the entirety of his videos. He always talks about his gripes. It just so happens he loves Nintendo. Which is why Nintendo fans flock here. Just like Arlo, we love Nintendo too. We look forward to his reviews because he is a trusted when it comes to Nintendo games and their quality.
@@MichaelMashpotato Yeah he loves Nintendo so much he didn't bother playing the previous iterations of their games the last few generations (or at least that's what he seems to say in a lot of his videos). He is "trusted" by people who listen to him for the sake of confirmation bias. There's nothing wrong with liking any companies games but when you pander to the corporate fanaticism, then I tend to take your opinion less seriously. There's loads of other channels out there that can critically review their games fairly but Arlo doesn't do that. He will dumb-down almost any real issue to make the fans feel okay about accepting anything nintendo wants to sell them. If it makes you feel good, or entertained to watch him, that's cool. He does have some very good production quality but I think you're misplacing your trust if you're coming to him for objectivity. It's like reading Nintendo Power for reviews, it's dishonestly one-sided.
This truly is the biggest examination of a single game I have ever seen. Incredible work you've made.
You sir have not seen the 7 hour Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire review lol
@@ZombieQueenIcar I was gonna mention that lol
@@ZombieQueenIcar I was going to mention that too. I didn't make it through it XD
Honestly, this game deserves it. But that ORAS review is definitely also worth the watch if you have time XD it’s almost more of a review of the Pokémon franchise up to that point.
Loving this review series, and I also loved all 7 hours of that ORAS review. Absolutely worth a watch.
... I never thought to shock the metal Hinox leg braces. Damn.
Me neither, I think. Just goes to show how many options are in this game!!
yeah I didn't realize that before Arlo told me
For me, I never knew you could stasis the buttons like he did at 1:11. Completely blew me away when I saw it.
I know I'm late, but I think you can find that kind of information in the Encyclopedia (I'm fairly sure I read the info about the wooden leg brace there). I might be the only one, but I have played sessions of the game where I just explore and try to take pictures of as much things as possible, I guess it is more useful than I initially thought...
kass’ riddle shrines are some of my favorite things to find. more accurately, kass was my favorite character to find. he has such a beautifuully designed model, and the fact that he plays my favorite zelda song on an accordion is icing on the cake. hearing his accordion’s music wafting through the air is so excitinc
Vah Medoh's questline is so unmemorable that Arlo called Teba Revalli.
If I had to make a questline, after visiting rito village, apparently all the warriors, led by teba, were missing, so they couldn't fight the divine beast. The elder sends you off to the snow mountain, where you fight monsters and lizalfos to get to the peak, where teba is. You inform him of your heroism and then go to flight range. There he puts you to a difficult arrow course. He flies to the top of rito village, you have to make it back. You can talk to ppl, buy stuff, etc and finally you get to the top where there is a small cutscene with teba and the elder. Then you fly to the beast
songarakram agreed it’s Devine beast dungeon is just 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮unreasonably basic but also almost every puzzle it a: to confusing or b: to easy to 🧀
Which is kinda funny considering bah rutas was far more clever and challenging
@@xcross4286 LOL yeah, when you had to stasis that ball to open up the spinning locked door I forgot that it could spin both ways with the water. I made it so much harder than it should’ve been, took me 30 minutes to finally do it. I got trapped inside it so much
Ruta: Make your way up this long mountain trail, meet your would-have-been father-in-law, fight or sneak around a God damn Lynel to get his arrows, and fight the giant robot.
Rudania: Find a way up Death Mountain Trail without burning to death, which will most likely involve finding lizards on the lower parts of the trail and cooking them, make your way up the mountain which is pretty difficult even if you stray off the trail and climb up, meet the boss, go through this really fun cannon section where you blow the crap out of Lizalfos, save Goron, escort him up the mountain to fight the robot.
Naboris: Trek through the desert on foot in the blazing heat or frigid cold, fail to get into town, find cross-dressing man, get girl clothes, go into town, meet chief, sneak through Yiga fortress, fight Yiga leader, get helmet, go back to town, fight robot.
Medoh: Face no obstacles on your way into town, talk to a few guys, shoot some targets, fight robot.
Evan Peskoff it was never confirmed that link shared feelings for mipha
It was implie
I think if medoh was introduced as the tutorial divine beast, no one would have an issue. But he was my third divine beast and it was very underwhelming
"go find Revali"
Revali is dead, Arlo.
You meant Teba.
19:43 funny enough, there's more dungeons in Wind Waker than Majora's Mask
Yes, but Majora's Mask has 4 more than Breath. And 4 GOOD UNS
@@netweed09 Fucking zing
@@netweed09 Actually it has 136 less
The Divine beasts should have been blue, red, green, and yellow.
Okay do because people aren't getting this, I mean the color of the stone has a tinge of that respective color. Not the blue and purple stuff.
And the red-pink color when theyre controlled by ganon?
@@xparallels I mean the color of the stone and such
I'm just gonna say that I disagree
... why?
@@RhythmGrizz well, I simply think that wouldn't have fit with them being ancient shiekah Technology. I like the whole shiekah style and I also like that it stays more or less constant throughout the game. The divine beasts already have enough unique enough designs.
I did the gerudo area first and thunderblight ganon was a big challange.
It was the first thing I did... When I stood atop that snowy mountain outside the shrine on the great plateau, I looked around and saw a desert. Cool! I thought to myself... Cant wait to check it out! So when I got the glider I ran back and jumped strait towards the desert. Thunderblight kicked my ass so many times.... ;P
I died a ridiculous number of times to Thunderblight Ganon. I couldn't figure out how to shock him using his metal thingies. I couldn't dodge out of his fast attacks in time and consistently died. I didn't know how to break his shield. Fireblight Ganon was tough because I couldn't figure out to throw bombs at his shield, but Thunderblight was a whole other level.
Same
I did him last and he was still a big challenge
i did gerudo second
This might sound funny but I'm of the opinion that the Yiga Clan's hideout is a parody of old Zelda games.
The whole segment sticks out like a sore thumb, awkward stealth sections and this weird sense of humor that was present in old Zelda games that isn't TOO present in the rest of the game. I mean look at the boss, it has super telegraphed attacks and patterns, with a "puzzle" element to each phase that's really strict but also stupidly easy.
Anyone else get this vibe?
from the video i was getting that too. just the look of the level like spacing and size of enemies felt like it. Also the fact that they decided to add something that felt like one of those typical stealth sections, definitely felt like a conscious decision and if you ask why then that is pretty much a very logical answer.
I never noticed it, but now that you mention it, I totally agree.
never thought about it like that but you might just be right!
i mean even how the boss was ridiculously easy feels kind of deliberate now that i think about it.
also the way the entire boss fight is framed, and how cartoonish everything about the whole ordeal is, including the sword guys' goofy demeanour. feels like a very conscious decision
Have you people ever played a Legend of Zelda game? There aren't very many stealth sections.
Throughout the history of the series you could probably count them on one hand.
There's one problem with your theory.
The effete villain is a pretty common Japanese trope.
The boss was just a fun way of ending a tedious and difficult quest that happened to be different from the others.
You're overthinking it. I'm pretty sure these people love Zelda more than most.
Surprisingly, I ended up meeting the divine beast in the desert first. No idea how... but I did meet the Zora one right after so 🤔🤔🤔
THANK YOU! Everyone keeps saying that they found the Zora one first and I'm sitting here thinking "damn why did I found the Gerudo one first and it felt so natural?!". That also explains why I had such an easier time on the rest of them, first because the Gerudo one is actually the hardest, second because Urbosa's Fury makes all the other fights ridiculously easy. My last Divine Beast was the Rito one, and that helped me not breaking the overworld game with Revali's Gale. Revali's Gale can be a problem, like Arlo mentioned on other video, but having it is a goddamn BLESSING on subsequent playthroughs.
SAME
Me to.... The easy explananation for me is that I saw the desert from the top of the mountain on the great plateau and I thought it looked cool.... The first direction I flew after I got the glider.
I found Vah Ruta first because of 2 things: i HATE sand and deserts and heat so i tried to avoid the Gerudo until the end. And second, the quest for Robbie and the Akkala Ancient Tech Lab made me go to north, eventually finding Zora´s Domain and Vah Ruta.
I have 3 accounts and I have gotten every divine beast first except for Rudania.
Funnily enough when I got Naboris as my first divine beast I was a bit scared because my friend told me it was difficult but I still beat it first try. Honestly Rudania is the hardest for me but not too hard after some experimenting.
I really like the shrine concept, but I still wish there were more and longer dungeons, even in more traditional ways.
Wait, did you forget the dragons?!?! You can "fight" one of them in Mt. Lanayru, it's not much, but it's something, and man, facing one of those early in the game is AWESOME
You should check out Mark Brown's Boss Key's series. It brings up a point about the distinction between "Puzzle Box" Dungeon and "Puzzle Room" dungeons.
The Shrines are examples of Puzzle Room Dungeons, the Divine Beasts are Puzzle Box dungeons. Throughout the Zelda franchise fans tend to prefer one or the other. I love the Divine Beasts because as Puzzle Box dungeons go, they are some of the best in series.
SharpEdgeSoda Gotta love Mark Brown. And you’re totally right with this comment, I enjoyed both shrines and divine beasts but for very different reasons.
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Link you've finally come
Here's the location of the 1st terminal
Great you found the 1st terminal
There are 3 more terminals here they are I'll mark it on your map
Great you found another terminal here are the others you must find them link hurry
Great just one more terminal it should be over there keep going
Now you have to access the main terminal and activate it link
Link before going any further that monster in their defeated me so be careful
This is actually awful
@@VictoryReviews
Open that door
Open that door
Push a button
Open a door
Fight an enemy
Open a chest
Open a door
Use the item
Open a door
Fight a bigger enemy
You can easily make the old dungeon design sound bad too if you try.
@@emc246 that does take about hour of the game to do just that in the shrines so thank you
I don't personally find the Molduga to be "fairly blah" seeming the first time facing one, I got launched into the INSIDE OF A ROCK. Never could replicate it (though I did take pictures of it), and I haven't seen/heard of anyone else having the same experience, but it's still my favorite moment from playing BotW.
You lucky boi
Arlo, this entire series of one longform review has been so good! Great job and excellent editing as well. I've enjoyed all of them, and they've offered a ton of valuable insight.
That you were using lightning arrows to shoot the water dungeon's ice cubes instead of using the ice rune really hurts me
Not everyone knew that.
I really wish Nintendo would give us the dungeon structure of Zelda 1 and 2, where you could go to dungeons out of order, but if you go to dungeon 7 when you first start out you're gonna get pretty messed up. Like, keep the dungeon order and have later dungeons be harder, but don't force us to do that order
Also, i think that feeling of 'there isn't enough dungeon stuff' stems from the fact that you spend more time in the overworld than in a dungeon.
That sounds like it would be fun.
Another dungeon thing I would like is dungeons that you have to keep on coming back to, and they get progressively more difficult every time you come back.
@@NikkiTheViolist they did something like that in Phantom Hourglass and it wasn't very fun at all.
Well in A Link Between Worlds the Ice Dungeon was much harder than the others
@Olli Konttinen vah ruta is easy as f*ck. Rudania and Naboris are the real deal.
Vah ruta was pretty hard to reach, but nabkris itself was probably the hardest. Medoh was the easiest to reach by far tho imo.
This is easily the most in-depth review of anything I've ever read/watched, but somehow it didn't feel overwrought or excessively lengthy. Every point has its place, and it all fits together very nicely. Thanks for putting all this time and effort into it! I have a feeling this won't be your most heavily-viewed content, but it's truly awesome to see the product of hard work and passion. Keep up the great work!
18:55 120 shrines
-29 empty blessing shrines= 91
-20 test of strength shrines which are just basically one shrine= 72
-6 just awful mition control shrines= 66 shrines
out of those 66, there are a good few that are overly simple, but its up to each individual player how many of those 66 feel “worth it”. I think thats why the dungeon content feels shallow for so many, because right off the bat, almost half of the shrines are a let down, and the remaining half is hit or miss on top of being very visually similar.
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11:30 I don't know if you know that you can use cryonis to break the ice, but you can.
that makes so much sense, guess i just didnt have that time to think about them. At first i was kinda like, wait why is it shooting ice cubes with the same markings? i guess cause it's a water beast? but it could shoot ice balls or stone cannon balls. but before i put two and two together i was like oh shoot it's coming i gotta destroy it. if it was stone maybe i need a bomb but it's ice so maybe and arrow, and that worked so thought nothing more of it.
19:10 I honestly can't think of that many shrines that take >5 minutes. Most take 1-3 minutes.
That small sound effect when the orb bounced off the metal block was so unnecessary but so welcome.
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6:27 THAT'S how you are supposed to do that puzzle! I literally went up to the top where the ball spawned, and used Stasis to move it to the right and it just dropped into the hole. I wondered why it was so finicky...
That seems like it would take an unbelievable amount of effort to do. Shrines definitely did do the open solution element well.
Terry town is probably the best quest i've done in any game... also if you think on it there are many memorable things done in this game... first time entering the forgotton temple, challenging the 3 goron bros, etc. Amazing game and all the shortcomings you mention Arlo, be excited for more of the positives in the zelda botw sequels!
I have played for 1500+ hours of BOTW but you just did something I have never did. You use stasis on a switch. WOW. I always try to find something and lay it on top, sometimes even a weapon. This game is pure genius.
My only complaint with the game, is that I really wish you could create multiple save files within the same Switch account. I know I could just create a different account to use, but I really like all of my hours spent in-game to be recorded under one account. That’s my only complaint. Other than that, this game is perfection in my opinion.
You can create different saves you get the chance to create a bunch of save files and an auto save feature
My first ever Hinox was the one in the pitch black forest. Walking along and hearing it snoring and not knowing what was making the noise was nerve-wracking, and then actually fighting the thing... I had no idea what I was fighting, other than that it has one eye and it's way bigger than I am! Super amazing memory!
Just one more part until the final
The Hyrule Castle is the closest to what I want to dungeons from this style of game. Open ended, not limiting. Plenty of puzzles, or you can go action hero on your way up. I think the next game needs at LEAST 4 or more of them. We get a special item even, just like an old Zelda game. The game needs MUCH more of this.
people are talking about the special items in older zelda games like theyre a limitation, but i belie- HOOKSHOT, HOOKSHOT, HOOKSHOT, HOOKSHOT
I have to say I LOVED the dungeons in BOTW. Even if they were a bit short. I just wish they were a bit longer and emphasised the theme (fire, water, etc) more like in previous Zelda games.
The shield parry is the absolute best way to take care of the guardians, at least for me. Took a while to learn how to do it every time. But it was incredibly rewarding once I got the hand of it. The feeling of bouncing that Lazer beam back into their stupid lovely robot faces is an absolute joy!
Love your work man! Keep it up!
The shield parry is the best way to take care of Stalkers, but it can feel way to easy, with one parry taking out more than a third of their hp. The parries should at least do less damage with weaker shields, so that it takes a bit more skill when you're replaying the early game.
Arlo, thank you. Someone finally talked about the dungeons and gave them *legitimate* critiques instead of just saying “boo hiss! They’re all the same!” Like some other TH-camrs. Yes, they have their flaws, they’re all a little to similar and are kinda short but they are great fun. Thank you for recognizing that.
I much prefer MockRock's recent BOTW review because his view feels far less fanboyish than Arlo's.
Finally a great take on the beasts. Everyone (almost) have more negatives than positives. Good to see that Arlo saw the positives more. I liked the beasts because they were different than the usual dungeons for once!
I used cryonis to climb a waterfall to Zora's domain, and yes it was as time consuming and painful as you would imagine
On the topic of the yiga clan hideout, I love that section because contradictory to what you say, you dont instantly fail if your spotted. During my first time through I was fed with going stealthily so I decided to just attack the enemies. While it's very challenging to win it is possible to kill all of the yiga members in the hideout, all you have to do is not get hit by the big guys once. The fact that the game encourages you to choose one path but leaves the other path open for a skilled enough player really impressed me and gave me a sense of accomplishment that's nearly unrivaled by any other section of the game.
Oh god I started with the gerudo one, I had 5 or 6 hearts and it was just so hard. I had no arrows and I did not think I could leave. I sat down well over an hour just learning its ability’s. It was the best part of the game for me
Yung Will Same I just had a traveler’s claymore, spiked boko shield, soldier’s bow, and Knight’s broadsword.
It was
Not fantastic
ARLO, just wanted to say that I just finished the game and my first reaction was: YES, I CAN FINALLY WATCH ARLO's REVIEW! yay.
I think if there's anything they could do to improve the shrines, it would be to connect them all. There would still be a ton of them scattered around the world, but they could include optional challenges leading to "alternate exits". These alternate exits would connect each shrine to others nearby, so if one shrine feels like it's over too quickly, players could continue into another shrine. This avoids breaking up the "shrine" experience, and lets players pretend the shrines are one giant traditional dungeon if they want. This would help the dungeon/shrine experience feel more substantial.
Thank you for this video! What a daunting project to actually review the whole game, thanks for your time and your amazing work :D
Yes, I've been waiting. Time for some popcorn.
I love this series. Can't believe you put so much time, effort and care into a single game review. My hat's off to you, strange blue fellow.
“How many dungeons did Wind Waker have, 2?” No 6 (7 if you count the forsaken fortress)
Arlo, I agree with you on the Calamity Ganon Boss bit. Just as you said, he's like the Strongest Guardian, and I found him to be just like that, *right down to perfect-parrying the lazers.* Practicing on the Guardian Stalkers, Decayed Guardians, and Guardian Turrets that are abundant actually proved to be quite handy (even if purely by accident in my case on the first try, and boy howdy is it an excellent weapon if you have a metal shield and good timing reflexes), and I've found that the audio cues that they give are excellent timings for when to parry, depending on your distance from them.
And yes, the Beast Ganon LAZOR! can hit you. You just have to be actively trying to get hit. He's more focused on trying to take Hyrule with him than he is trying to take you down at that point.
Ok... coming from my perspective of being a long time gamer but never having played through a Zelda game before.
I obviously knew there were dungeons but never placed the same emphasis on them as some.
For me the run up to the divine beasts wasn’t that. It was just part of a single game and a story of a single game. I didn’t experience your thing of having a game of separate dungeons. More just a single story and game that happened to have puzzles and bases in it.
If that makes sense. :-)
well you'll find the rest of the series pretty interesting then!
yeah same
I never knew that I needed Arlo to tee off on the gyro puzzles until I watched this video.
Would have been cool if the shrines were just implemented in the environment.
See an old Castle in the forest? Inside you find the shirne puzzles.
See a cave on the side of the mountain? -Shrine like interior.
Instead of the labyrinth with a shrine at the end include the shrine puzzles in the maze.
YES, THIS.
THIS WOULD ABSOLUTELY GIVE THE SHRINES MORE CHARACTER AND THEY WOULDNT FEEL LIKE SUCH A TACKED ON TIME SINK. (even though theyre required to progress not just your character but also loot drops and enemies apparently so oof)
They actually did just that in Twilight Princess. There's a cave in Hyrule field that has a very Shrine-like design inside, and it even rewards you with a piece of a heart container.
Arlo you're probably the best reviewer out there especially in the case of Botw you've covered so much of its detail like no one else ever could
"And the memory of my first, special time will always be just a little anticlimactic." It's okay, it can happen to anyone
Arlo your praises and critiques of this game are amazing!! And very thought provoking, I love how you've so thoroughly analyzed this single game!! Would loveeee to see you do this again for other games! :)
you can get hit my ganon's laser. when i redid the ganon fight with all the memories, i couldnt find the glowing gold spots for like 10 mintues and i got hit like 3 tinmes.
In my case, I somehow forgot to grab the Bow of Light so I was wondering why the hell my arrows weren't doing anything lol
man, when i understood what the hell was going on in my first gyro puzzle, i was blown away. i wasn't getting the perspective at first. i thought there was a small thing in front of me, but it turned out to be an enormous maze that i was moving from far away and could walk in. hole shit. i found it amazing.
I cried when I saw Link shooting those ice blocks at Vah Ruta with shock arrows.
Think I’ve mentioned this in one of your other reviews but I’m so glad you went into so much depth with this review. I love it love hearing your true opinion and why you have that opinion.
Eh, I wouldn't compare shrines to dungeons. They have one or two aspects per shrine, but that's like comparing eggs and sugar to an entire cake. That doesn't make the shrines bad, but my issue with them comes from how busted the puzzles are. Arlo mentions multiple solutions, but I never found these satisfying...mainly because these alternate solutions are almost always very simple. Here's two examples that show up a lot:
1. Guide the flame to ignite the flammable object. This is circumvented with a fire arrow.
2. Guide the electric current to a switch. This is circumvented by just hitting the switch with an electric weapon.
Maybe if I was still really little, I might feel clever for realizing this, but I'm in my 20s and it's obvious that I'm not being clever. I'm just not being stupid. These solutions are so stupidly simple and are so often available that it feels like the developers were trying to trick me into thinking I'm really smart by offering a honey pot in the form of a simple solution.
Same thing with Divine Beasts to be honest. They have puzzles, but they aren't dungeons. Not just because they're about the same size as OoT's mini dungeons, but because they don't really follow the dungeon formula. If puzzles were the defining part of dungeons, then OoT would be the first game to have them. But, while a welcome addition, they're not.
Also...5 minutes for a shrine? Maybe for a couple, like Trial of Power or Blue Flame, but on average I'd say 1-2 minutes is much more realistic.
As for Hyrule Castle, I don't see what separates it from any part of the overworld beyond the fact that it has the 3D map. You can still climb, nothing is disabled, the focus is exploration, and there's no puzzles. Hyrule Castle is just the overworld done right. It's much more dangerous, it's much less empty, it has lore. This is what most of the overworld should be like. I hope they use this as a base for the next game.
And regarding Lynels...there's two ways to stun them. Stasis+ and, as Arlo mentioned, headshots. Except y'know, with headshots, you can just spam this over and over. And since there's no scarcity in arrows and Lynel parts can sell for thousands of rupees, there's no reason not to spam headshots over and over. It saves on time and durability.
About the gyro puzzles: My favorite moment so far in a shrine was when I was trying to guide a ball through a maze then fling it to a switch with motion controls (which was shown in the video). After failing a few times I turned the controller upside down to reveal the smooth surface underneath the maze... And then immediatley flung the ball onto the switch without needing the maze. It was such a cool moment, logic overcame the silly gamey obvious objective, but it didn't feel like I cheesed the game, it was just how the game worked.
Wind Waker had five dungeons. Six if you count Forsaken Fortress...which you visit twice. And then of course there’s Gannon’s Tower at the end. So really, there a total of 8 dungeon-like segments in Wind Waker.
7, actually, Tower of the Gods, remember?
Ya and BOTW had none
These reviews are amazing, even after 400 hours in BOTW, I still find myself noticing and appreciating details you mention or think more about flaws you mentioned.
"Go find Revali, I think he's out getting lunch or something."
Shrines are by far the best puzzles in video games I've ever played. Complex, using different tools and rewarding
Breath of the *Calm'nt*
33:26 When Arlo quotes Sans.
Inhalation of the hectic area similar to wilderness
I actually love the feeling of already having what I need to complete a quest. Also I'm glad I wasn't the only one who hated the Yiga clan base. Just felt so at odds with the rest of the game, almost a polar opposite of Eventide.
I agree that the game naturally steers you to the Zora and Vah Ruta.. Especially if you are tower/shrine hunting early on.. But fun fact, the first memory that is related to the beasts is the memory connected to Rivaly and Vah Medoh.. This along with Medoh being universally recognised as the easiest Beast to fight makes me think it's what the devs wanted you to play first
And you get the best champions weapon and ability from Vah Medoh to.
The Windblight is the least enjoyable boss battle I have ever had in a video game. Ending up brute forcing him twice with hundreds of arrows as I was never able to find any clear mechanic to weaken & wail on him. After the first try I reloaded to try to find the "correct" way to fight him and it ended the same way. I was never able to get close enough to land a single sword hit in either attempt. I did find one way to weaken him, but it only lasted about 1 second and never long enough for me to close the gap.
To be honest the gyro puzzles might actually be my favorite shrines. Also the Gerudo Desert was my favourite section of the game as I felt it had the most interesting story and the Yega leader was just so dang funny. The desert environment was honestly also quite beautiful.
To me the gyro puzzles represent missed potential. There is so much cool stuff you could possibly think up with the apparatus but in its current state it's just not fun to perform the execution.
Most of the sidequests are an extended tutorial (how to cook, how to use balloons...) or force you to explore the world (eg. the weapon one and the riddle korok). I liked those aspects but I also wanted more long, world-changing quests like Tarry Town.
And I went to Zora's Domain first, but I climbed over the mountains, despite the rain (I'm a stubborn one) and it was weird that several Zoras insisted that I met them on the way when I certainly didn't.
If you take the intended route then you would’ve met up with quite a few of the Zora which included the main one Sidon, he has a cutscene on the way and you were supposed to have met him on a bridge. My guess is that at one point his cutscene will pop up without you realizing it
I always went for the shield parry for the stalkers rather than trying to shoot their eyes or cut off their arms.
I'm not actually a big fan of the 'testing the hero' context that they have to justify puzzles being in the world. I just feel like the Zelda series has relied on that trope for a while now, and it ends up feeling a little predictable. Don't get me wrong, I liked the puzzles that come with them, but it kind of feels like jumping through hoops instead of actually growing as a hero. I much prefer the big dungeons where you are rewarded with a substantial upgrade that helps you feel like you are actually becoming a hero. Spirit orbs end up like dog treats for being an obedient hero. A deceased hero giving you a power after overcoming a tricky boss feels much better as opposed to tests being laid out for you and explicitly stated as so.
The Divine Beasts are the tests. And the rewards are amazing. The Shrines are just there because they're fun to find, and fun to complete. Just fun. Imo.
It's more the shieka stockpiled resources and only the hero will get them. Spirit orbs are basically a better version of heart pieces so I'd hardly call them "dog scraps" and I'd certainly take them over any reward Skyward Bored had to offer. That said I'm totally in agreement Link proving his worth is a stupid trope and justification for rewarding the hero.
Totally agree
The problem with that mindset, especially in the open world game like this, is that if, say, a player missed X shrine that contained amazing object Y...they might never find it, unless you essentially force the player to go there.
and like TheAlibabatree stated, the divine beasts fill that role. They are a solid challenge (unless you spend 100 hours before attempting one like arlo apparently), with very powerful rewards. A permenant, recharging (essentially) fairy that completely fills your hearts and overfills them? Pretty powerful. Reflecting any attack up to 3 times? Pretty good. Being able to just go *up* 40 feet? Tiny bit handy, gotta say.
And as kitcloud1 said, they are essentially heart pieces. A small challenge for a heart piece is pretty common for zelda games. But I like these better, because 1, it's clear and obvious WHERE one is, the biggest problem I had with previous game's heart pieces, and 2, you get to choose HOW you increase in strength. Take more hits, or move better? And to both you and kitcloud, if you don't like the trope...how would you do it? Not being sarcastic or anything. It's easy to say "it's dumb," but it's a lot harder to suggest a realistic possible alternative that might actually be better. Criticism without construction is just being an ass.
@@stevenn1940 Don't get me wrong, I did enjoy the shrines and certainly don't think the idea of trials for a hero is dumb or lazy. Spirit orbs serve a good purpose, but I'm just not a fan of the context of the shrines being trials for a hero to prove themselves. For me, it just feels a bit too laid out and pre-planned within the story. Your opinion is just as valid as mine, but it just reminds me of Skyward Swords trial after trial to prove yourself. I like the idea of stumbling on something that was never intended for you. Probably being a bit picky, but that's just how I feel.
I was waiting for this one! You touched on what I had to say instantly... tons of smaller dungeons made this much more accessible for me... I hate getting lost in big unruly dungeons. It also made the Beasts feel special, and I knew how close I was to the end of my journey the more of those I completed.
Arlo, are you gonna make all of these videos into one big long video? That would be ARLOWSOME!!!!!!!!!
33:18.........I played through the game twice and I never thought to shoot the propellers on the Sky Watchers.
I was one of the ones that that got nudged into going to Vah Ruta first, then it was Vah Rudania, Vah Medoh, and lastly Vah Naboris (it surprises me how many did Vah Naboris first considering I ended up doing it last). I enjoyed these fresh new takes on dungeons and I loved how the music changed a little every time you cleared a terminal.
me: *kills my first gardian*
King Hyrule back from the dead: ur a real man now my boi
The blights are like ganon-ized clones of the champions. I mean, they all (save for waterblight) share the corresponding champions ability. Windblight has tornados or gales, fireblight surrounds itself in a fiery shield, and thunderblight summons lightning. They also share the same weapon type. Windblight with a tri-shot ranged weapon, fireblight with a cleaver-like weapon, waterblight with spear, and thunderblight with a scimitar and shield. He was trying to not only take over the divine beasts, but have an appropriate pilot for them.
Well, as with all things, we all got opinions, and shocker, mine differs from yours slightly.
I really like the gyro puzzles. I only have had one problem with them, and that was solved by just stopping the puzzle, then restarting it. Bang, did it first try. I agree that in handheld it doesn't work too well.
Honestly, I feel like a lot of your personal issues in the game *kind of* only apply to you: someone that SERIOUSLY took their time with it. I honestly never felt like the rewards for a quest were worthless. I certainly have never had more that 20 of a particular gem before selling some. I've NEVER not had a use for rupees. You went super-completionist on it, and I think that's part of the issue for you. I might be wrong here, but that's the impression I'm getting
Yeah, I always have some sort of use for Rupees, whether it be for arrows or something else
The amount of work you have put in on this review is staggering and admirable. Well done Arlo! Always enjoy your videos
17:58 *Teba
oh yeah lol
i think nintendo should have switched the 2 around ngl
Every Video of this Series make me want more and more. Really loving the long and detail reviews of every aspect of Breath of the wield ❤
I'm planning on getting this game for Christmas from my seedless watermelon parents, and these reviews have gotten me even more excited
A Seedless Watermelon definately get it if you can, it's so amazing
awkward edit at the very end of the video where the video keeps playing without accompanying audio. Great content as always and I really appreciate your in depth analysis of such a great game
In regards to the shrines, the reptative aesthetic and the music monotony is a big bummer.
I really hope they keep the open world and that they bring back traditional dungeons also we need to have a real story this time. there's just nothing that Drew me in with this Zelda title because the story was so lacking. But I do have faith that they will get it rightwith the sequel and build on some of the things that they did right with this title
@@dnznznfjsnsnsms9996 Story in Zelda lol.
Well with the story, it’s near impossible to have a fully cohesive story in such an open world where you can literally do anything at any time, so if you want a complete Zelda-like story, they would likely have to go back to restrictions of previous titles
@@legrandliseurtri7495 Sure, story in Zelda has never been the main focus in the series, but having one that is at least engaging is something that is missed.
the reviews series is god tier arlo, thanks very much :)
Arlo hater:
“I’m so DONEgeon with this review series”
No pun-loving soul can be an Arlo hater
How could one possibly hate Arlo
It had been a trial 😉
Can somebody hate Arlo??
I don't hate Arlo but I do dislike his constant shilling for the Nintendo corporation.
The Dark Beast Ganon fight _could_ have been big, epic, and cinematic while still being challenging. I mean, look at Void Termina from Kirby: Star Allies. That's pretty much Dark Beast Ganon but hard. You're fighting a giant beast in a massive, circular arena, you're running around said arena by riding something, and you need to hit his weak points, just like Ganon, but Void Termina's weak points take multiple hits and he has a wide variety of attacks that actually pose a threat to you. He also changes up his pattern the further you get in the fight. After taking down a few weak points, he'll get giant swords with either fire, ice, or lightning attributes and he'll use those. Once you've been inside him once, he starts flying around, shooting arrows at you, trying to hit you with an axe that makes shockwaves, swooping down at you, dropping giant spears all over the arena, and spamming giant laser beams at you that are actually fast enough to hit you. They could have had Ganon do those things.
For me I decided to fly as far as I could and ended up in playing the Gerardo beast first
The part in the beginning always gets my dyslexia with the"...A LINK TO THE PLAYLIST..."
I cant help but see "A Link to the Past" at first glance lol
11:35 ..you know you can just use cryonis to break those blocks, right?
Every time I walk into a new shrine it’s like opening a gift! What a treat of a game.
For me, the Divine Beasts were among the most boring parts of the game. The puzzles were extremely tedious, the rewards were mostly underpowered weapons and I am very happy that there are only four of them. Hyrule Castle on the other hand was one of my favourite places in the game as it is both difficult, fun and there are great rewards. Most of the shrines were really fun but the Apparatus ones can go to hell, and I also wasn't the biggest fan of those combat ones.
I loved how so many shrines were cheeseable with the shield-surf jump.😂 The champions weapons really aren't underpowered. Urbosa's sword has one of the highest durabilities of any one handed sword. Revalie's bow is one of the best bows in the game. Daruk's hammer thing is probably the best talus killing weapon. The lightscale trident is probably the worst champion's weapons.
Yeah Daruk’s sledgehammer is arguably one of the best weapons in the game. And the light scale trident is the weakest because the player is pushed towards Zora’s Domain before the other divine beasts, so it’s meant to be early game. But still, they’re very weak compared to other weapons you will quickly find, if you haven’t already by the time you get there. Would have been better if they were stronger, or if they were the same strength but had infinite durability. Either way, the real reward was always the champion abilities.
@@tristanneal9552 I don't know. I prefer the Great Eagle bow to any other bow in the game. Also, we shouldn't forget about Daybreaker. Everyone seems to forget that Daybreaker is like the second best shield in the game.
Saying both and then listing 3 or more things hurts me.
But thanks for your input friend
If I'm correct, the only bow better than revalis bow is a bow that you can only get by beating high level lynels. So it's not that easily replaced imo. I love revalis bow.
Alright my phone just did a thing where it rotates on its own uncontrollably while I was trying to unpause the video, and it resulted in me accidentally going to your channel and subscribing, so here I am, the universe decided that I must watch your videos now
Windwaker had like 6 dungeons :p I think Majora's Mask is still 3d zelda game with smallest numbers of dungeons
Majora's Mask is the game with the least core dungeons, but the general style of the game builds each area with mini dungeons and events. Plus all the side quests involved in helping people hurt by Skull Kid.
@@shadow51090 Umm, yeah? I didn't point that out as criticism, I point that out as fact. I thought it was kinda given that Majora's Mask is one of most content having Zelda games considering how many interesting sidequests it has.
I also pointed it out as that sentence being silly because Windwaker did have lot of dungeons and lot of sidequests even if it has less than most other major 3d zelda games.(I think its probably second least amount of dungeons in 3d games?) So like I think Arlo was being really silly there :D
I’m really loving these in depth reviews
I always enjoyed the ganon fights. Especially since his last stage was typically a strong "last stand". Dark beast ganon disappointed since he was actually easier than the first stage.
for me, one of the best experiences i had was with the shrine at 8:46 (or at least i think it was that one...). its a shrine where you have to get a blue flame from one pedestal at the beginning aaaaalllllllllllllll the way to the end, with checkpoints along the way. just one problem: i didnt have any fricking arrows. but i wasnt willing to give up. i had a couple torches on hand, so i decided that i would just throw a torch across a lake of lava to the other pedestal. its such a simple, easy thing to do with arrows: light it and shoot the thing. but with torches, oH mY gOD. it took me SO much time just to be able to finally throw the torch before it went out AND still hit the pedestal, and when i finally did it, i was so happy. but then...there was a section where i had to shoot an arrow through two pedestals at once to light them both, while they move in opposite directions, and, to make it even better, each time they switched directions, a water fountain would put out the pedestals. so, (and im not 100% sure), i believe i had to stasis the first platform, throw the torch onto the pedestal, jump and then double jump (with shield surfing) onto that first platform, grab the torch, wait for the second platform to come back around, and then throw the torch again. if i wasnt such a fRiCkInG bLoCkHeAd, i couldve gone and gotten arrows, but i didnt feel like it, and i still finished the puzzle. the fact that you can do the puzzle so OBJECTIVELY wrong, but still finish it, is amazing. any other game would have MADE you go get those arrows if you wanted to finish the trial, but not this game. thats what really made me realize that this is my favorite game of all time; the fact that i can really do things however i want, and even if its a lot harder whatever stupid way i want to do it, the game is ok with that.
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^this is the shrine^
the guy in the video makes it look really easy, because it is (if you have arrows)
Heroes of Another Dimension pls
This is called dedication to a review series
Arlo, I doubt you care about defending your gaming opinions, but I have agreed with you about all the games you have reviewed until now. Yet because we are both passionate about the Zelda franchise, I have to say I'm surprised you enjoyed the shrines and "dungeons" so much. You do say you would sometimes wish for an old school style dungeon, which I agree with, but I disagree that the shrines were that enjoyable. Most of the time they were tedious for me, and sadly I even got bored for a while. I had to take a break from the game, which I never do playing Zelda. I agree the shrines are more logical within the Zelda context, which again I agree is awesome, but over 90 physics-based puzzles is just... not adventurous. The whole concept of BoTW was the ADVENTURE, the world exploration, the weapon/item discoveries, the combat system, and the exciting emotions it all invoked. You also said there were less battles within the shrines and dungeons, which is a HUGE part of Zelda. The feeling of being the hero, the ONLY one who can actually FIGHT all the baddies is taken from us inside those shrines and dungeons. Baddies respawning every so often within Hyrule after defeating them doesn't give me that sense of accomplishment, like I restored the temple to it's former glory, as it did in older Zeldas. I do agree with you about the Divine Beasts being different and a cool idea, but they ended up being just a grander version of the shrines with lame boss fights at the end. All in all, I love the direction Nintendo took with BoTW, but like with Skyward Sword, there is a lot of room for improvement on what they created. I hope Nintendo takes that into account for the sequel.
I agree. They set my bar real high by doing Ruto's Dungeon first. The mission before the dungeon was so fast pace and exciting, not only that, but the cutscene at the end of it made me had feels. It was my favorite Divine Beast
Wind waker had 2 dungeons? What? It has 7 lol
That’s what I was thinking, I was like “are you mental, Arlo?” Lol
PerfectKirby he probably was after making all these videos
Yeah even if you exclude the Forsaken Fortress thats still 6. I have to wonder what was going through Arlo's mind when he said that
@@kylecampbell565 Personally the entire review series seems off. The general summation being "the game is great with a decent amount of issues, but it's so different it gets a pass". Which is fine it's his opinion. But every negative point he brings up is countered by "we've seen X done before, I appreciate the change".
Nicholas Spezio now that you mention it is weird given how he reacted to federation force and hey pikmin its arguably hypocritical he’s giving this stuff a pass because something different with the franchise
I agree 100% with the idea that having tons of short dungeons makes it all feel less substantial. My favorite shrine in the whole game is Shora Hah: Blue Flame, and its primarily because this is probably the most substantial shrine. Its got a good handful of puzzles and enemies to defeat all strung together. Its not immediately over the way that most of the other shrines are. I found that essentially every shrine that was just one single puzzle left me feeling like I got no enjoyment from it. I really would have preferred in they had cut the number of shrines, but had the actual shrines be much longer.
Also the Blessing Shrines and most of the shrine quests were always disappointing. Nothing less satisfying than accidentally stumbling upon a shrine through exploration and then not being given a puzzle of any sort. And the nature of the shrine quests feels like you're trying to figure out the riddles of what the heck you're supposed to be doing, which doesn't feel nearly as good as figuring out a puzzle inside of a shrine where you at least know you're in the right place.