I once had a new neighbor try to tell me that the shed where we stored our lawn mower was on their land and therefore belonged to them. My family had owned the house (and land) since it was built. We agreed that they could have it if they got a licensed surveyor to support their claim. Surveyor said, "Actually, their driveway was on our land." We already knew that. Dad had granted the easement to the previous (original) owner 40 years earlier, when the other house was built.
@@wmj1860 No, we didn't. The surveyor explained to them that we had every right to, especially what they had tried to do. It paid off, because they became decent neighbors, eventually.
@@RainbowCleftjust keep bringing it up every now and then. "Hey, remember that time you got greedy and tried to take shit that didn't belong to you, then you got humbled when it turned out I actually owned some of your stuff? That was fucking funny."
@@RainbowCleft fair enough, no need to cause more trouble and end up with a next door neighbour that hates you if it's no necessary. But like the other guy above said just make jokes now and then so they know you can at any point😂
First story. Reminds me of a story my dad told me.. When he had gotten his first car, he was driving in a neighborhood and something fell in the floorboard, and he looked down at it and accidentally hit a parked car that was on the side of the road in front of a house. Dad was young, and figured he was in the wrong and didn't want a mark against his driving record, so he offered to pay the owner the money to repair the car. But the owner was having none of it, so dad called my grandfather, and he came down and told the man, "My son offered to pay for the damage. Why do you want to call the police and get a mark against his driving record?" But the owner insisted, so they called the police, who ticketed the man that owned the car for the car being parked on the wrong side of the road due to the direction it was facing, and the man had to pay for my dad's repairs. Lesson, don't be a bh.
The last story went exactly like this: "We'll take you to court!" "Oh, please do~" **Cue warning bells** "Could whoever that is turn off their phone? I'm trying to file a lawsuit against this property owner so I can keep stealing money!"
Rule of thumb when it comes to these kinds of property agreements: put it in writing. Handshake deals are great as friends... but at some point someone else will get control of one of the properties. If you have it in writing, it's a lot harder for people to dispute.
@@gorilladisco9108small claims court don't need lawyer to approve written contract made by 2 individuals. Even text message agreement/contract is accepted...
@@gorilladisco9108 how would a surveyor help if it indeed wasn't your land or indeed too close to the property line? If there is a proper contract later owners have to respect it as well. No surveyor can change that part...
@@Zaxus in Germany you have to put it into the Grundbuch, which is where property lines are recorded. Each entry there costs a shitton of money and you have to use a notary to do it. But at least such agreements can't be challenged in court later. This can be pretty important if your house depends on it.
I wouldn't have been surprised if Razzy got taken away by that city official. The only thing more saddening than a dog in the pound is a dog with a horrid owner.
My side fence is nearly two full feet in my neighbor's yard. She wants me to take it down. I refused since the fence is on her property and it's been there since before I bought the house. We've feuded about it for years and she even tried to take me to court. The court ruled that the fence is on her property, so it's her responsibility to take it down.
My favorite story about land dispute was this one: OP has been on a long feud with her Karen neighbor, who hated OP because they bought the house and land next door that used to belong to Karen's irresponsible son, until he lost it due to failing to pay the taxes. Karen even tried to steal them back, claiming they were hers, but failed. Recently, OP wanted to build a fence, but when they checked for the property lines, they found out Karen was claiming a significant part of their property. They tried to dispute it, but Karen, being rich, bribed a surveyor to give her a survey just the way she wanted, and OP couldn't hire a surveyor of their own without saving money first. In the area they live, there are extremely strict laws regarding surveys: a surveyor who was found guilty of giving a bad survey, even by honest mistake, would face fines and lose their license, not to mention refunding their clients and paying for potential damages and a new survey. Because of this, surveys are extremely expensive (they are putting their lifes on the line, after all) and surveyors will avoid anything even resembling a property dispute. For OP, a survey would cost as much as, if not more than, the price of the disputed land itself. So OP left the situation be for the time being... and then it happened: a bad storm knocked down a tree that was on the disputed property. It caused damage to another nearby property, and also destroyed a rich person's sports car. That person's insurance tried to bill OP for over 200.000 dollars. OP disputed the bill, claiming that the tree was on Karen's property, and used the surveyor she hired against her: the guy stuck to the survey he did, knowing full well the consequences he'd face if he gave them anything different. So, in the end, Karen was forced to pay the 200.000 dollars out of her own pocket.
Ok this story doesn't make sense or maybe it's the woman in the story that doesn't make sense, but if she was so rich why didn't she just pay her son's taxes if she was gonna be so angry about him losing the house
I love these stories when neighbors SWEAR they own part of your land and can prevent you from putting up a privacy fence, or whatever. Only to have a surveyor come and show that the A-hole neighbor is FEET over their property line into the nice homeowner's property. FAFO!😂😂😂
My sister inherited our mom's house. In that neighborhood, it was a house, driveway, house, driveway...all the way down the street. There was a 3' strip of grass between the house and the neighbor's. Over the years, our back garden (i had a black thumb, so I never touched the garden, as I could kill plastic flowers) had sort of spread, with my sister planting flowers, etc, right up to the neighbor's drive, which I knew were encroaching on their space which I told my sister, but she ignored me. Now these were really nice people, so when they told my sister that they wanted to Plant tomatoes and such on the patch next to their driveway, my sister insisted it was HER property. They didn't argue, but called our city to have a surveyor come out. No charge - they provide such services for free. I was tickled ( I'm a b***h, I know) when the surveyor sunk pegs that showed my sister was over the property line by over THREE FEET. She's an unmedicated bipolar person who claims there is nothing wrong with her - it's the rest of the world that's crazy. Seriously. So when I tell you lost the plot (pun intended), I'm not kidding. She was flinging wild accusations of bribery, claiming the surveyor was lying, didn't know what he was doing, etc. She was, quite literally SCREAMING and raging so loudly that I could easily hear her in the house. When all was said and done, she spent a week moving her plants. Plus she never spoke to the neighbors again.
@@elizabethmaart6950 Not only did she inherit thechouse (2hich was fine), but she must have 5hought that she also inherited 5he content because she unrefined to let me choose 5he few 0iec3s of furniture that I wanted. She would say "I'm going to let you have this or that" - all stuff she knew damned well i didn't want.
When I was a kid, my parents built a big garage. It was the footprint of a small bungalow. They put it 3 feet from the property line so that they could get behind it to do any repairs. The neighbor had a fit bc it blocked the sun. Too bad. He worked at juvenile hall, and threatened to use his connections to have us move it. My parents told him that since we built it correctly, paperwork and all, we'd sue him and have his ass fired if he did anything. That shut him up. His daughter ended up being a lawyer. She takes on a lot of AHs who threaten their neighbors.
If you are doing something with your Land and someone claims you're infringing on their land, your only response should be "Prove that with an Official Report from a Licensed Surveyor or screw off!" and continue with what you were doing until and unless they can provide the requested Proof...
My friend moved to Montana years ago. His step mom inherited land from her parents and eventually a neighbor became a pain. Just complaining about anything and everything. 1 day he decided to argue about fencing. He had a “ friend “ check the property line. Got a shady lawyer. Didn’t go well. My friend paid for a real person to check property lines. Idiot neighbor lost it all. His backyard, his voice( he became speechless after losing) , his wife. She divorced him when she found out about his little stunt. She reminded him, the home they live in is on their land! So she kicked him out. She still lives in the house actually
LOL the woman that demanded the guy pay her or take his fence down. Than wanted him to build a new fence because HER dog was chewing up HER furniture. I would have laughed in her face and told her "That's a YOU problem," closed door. Protest to a locked door B.
Story 4 (the one with the dog Razzy in it): There would've been no trouble at all if the dog was properly trained from puppy. (Hint: the puppies learn fastest, just like Human children). But as the dog was, as it seems, totally untrained there was no way to control him. Sad.
Tree Story: If Karen really wants shade on her bedroom window, she can install a DEEP Root Barrier surrounding the bed outside the window and then plant Bamboo... Bamboo is extremely fast growing and unless stopped with a root barrier, will spread across the entire area until it finds ground it can't grow on (paved road, concrete sidewalk, creek, swamp etc.)...it's almost as bad as Kudzu in how fast it will spread and how hard it is to get rid of once it takes root in an area...
And here I thought my tiger lilies liked to spread, encroach and take over. 😂😂😂 They do (also the NY State flower and is protected there), but DAYUMMM, my lilies could learn a thing or two from Bamboo!😂😂😂
@@badkitty4922 It isn't all species of bamboo that are nearly as bad as Kudzu, but there are several that are...they spread by sending runners out horizontally underground from their roots which then sprout a new Bamboo Stalk that grows up into the air so when you see many dozen stalks, it's actually all a single plant...which is why you need a DEEP root barrier (it stops the runners) to keep it confined to a single garden bed...and if you're trying to get rid of it without using chemicals, you can't miss a single runner or it will keep coming back... Bamboo is actually a grass, not a tree... The easiest way to permanently remove the nasty spreading Bamboo is to cut down all the stalks, then dig up and remove at least the top 8 inches of soil before replacing it with fresh, Bamboo-Free topsoil...it's expensive, but you're 99.999% guaranteed to not miss a single runner...
In regards to property lines and dogs, I have a wholesome "story" to tell. My family and our neighbor live in a double-house on a street with absolute no sidewalk but very few traffic. Our frontyard is seperated by a double flower bed (one from us and one from the neighbor). In the 80s, we had a dog. A collie. And he loved the neighbor. But the dog wasn't allowed to jump over the flower beds to the neighbor. In compliance the dog left our property, ran to the neighbors property and jumped over the flower bed to our property. (The dog seemed to have thought, that we just didn't allow the one direction.) It was most beautiful, when the dog ran a few times in circles.
Having the audacity to tell the general public to mind their own business while actively being a public nuisance has to be a whole new level of lacking self awareness. If you’re blocking roads that the neighbors use on a daily basis, then it’s just as much their business as it is yours.
Story 1: The actual moral of the story is to check the property lines before you start building. This will make sure that you don't have any of these problems to begin with. So many of these stories could just be solved by OP getting the property lines checked before they start building. It's no different than having them come out to mark buried utility lines. It's definitely cheaper than the 5,000 and 10,000 originally offered.
An aspect of property disputes that people tend to overlook is that over decades and centuries, the land itself moves. As such, it is very hard to establish property markers and borderlines that maintain expected property shapes and sizes. Streams and river move their beds. Buried stakes can get shifted by animals, people, or environmental changes. Even latitudes and longitudes move relative to buildings as the continents drift a foot or 4 per century. If your property hasn't changed hands or been surveyed in the last 50+ years, a new survey is likely to establish the property lines in a different place than you expect.
It's how some U.S. states that have river borders that don't exactly follow the rivers as they are now and have pieces of opposite riverbank in their jurisdiction.
Retaining Wall Story: If I was OP, I'd be calling the Police for all the early morning Noise Violations (Chainsaws and tree chippers at 6:30 AM? Nope...[beep, beep, beep...hello, Police?]) and I'd also be calling the Police when his Contractors start dumping all the building materials in the street, blocking travel by the residents cars...after that, I'd call in the complaint to City Code Enforcement about all the construction without Permits...
Yes, I agree but wasn't all the fines (for cutting down the trees, building a fence without a permit and all the other stupid things he did and got fined for) almost worth. He'll probably have to sell the house, at a loss, to cover the fines. Hilarious!
Story 4 would have been perfect if OP had said something like "What do you mean you will *help* pay for the fence? I don't need a fence, you do, so you can pay for it in full yourself."
Story 1 - LOL! Oh man I bet that scorched that kids greedy hide to the nth degree. Not only did he lose out on some money but he also lost a portion of property!😂😂😂😂
My neighbor wanted to replace his fence as it was falling apart. WE share the fence, so asked if we wanted to go 50/50 on it. If he didn't replace it, I would have too, and they have been great neighbors. So I went in on him with it. His sons and brother did all the work. I was 1 panel short, so he just got another one and put it in. Refused payment for it, didn't want more than water. Super nice guy, fence looks great.
Story 3: I bet that George Washington's father was not concerned about his son telling lies or about a child wielding a hatchet. Rather, he was worried about what their HOA would say.
cutting trees is totally the entire neighborhood's business. large trees can have roots that are attached to the foundations and cutting them off will eventually cause the roots to rot and may break the integrity of the houses and streets. if the neighborhood is on a hill it could weaken the land and cause a landslide.
The funny part, the neighbors really didn't lose anything. His kid on the other hand lost the value of the land of his property when he tries to sell the house.
With all the HOA horror stories on Reddit, I've only this to say: No HOA is infinitely better than an overbearing, micromanaging, abusive HOA. That said, reasonable HOAs _do_ exist; you just need to be on the lookout for them.
These people that try to bully neighbors into giving them access to their land are kind of like small dogs barking at big dogs They don't know what they're going to get themselves into if they don't have all their facts straight.
Worked for a bank in their telephone offices. Was hired to help people with their accounts but we were forced to plug some monthly crap you add to the account you have to pay for the you get money off in areas youll probably never use, was a sick con. I tried to fight them on it and they proved they had the right to make me sell if they wanted. I discovered if you're selling a product, any product you are a salesperson. I'd introduce myself as a salesperson and they'd either hang up or want to speak to another person, when my bosses found my calls were low they listened in and pulled me up for it. I showed them where it was written and informed them I was complying with financial services regulations.
Story 3: Sometimes, not minding your own business is the right thing to do. This guy illegally cut down trees and broke the fence rules, yet acted all hostile when called out for it. Enjoy the fines
Story 2: You just gotta love a Karen that "didn't realize that there wouldn't be anything between their two properties to contain their dog" when OP was REMOVING A FENCE!
Story 4- "I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THINGS IN THE " BIG CITY" , BUT HERE IN THE STICKS, WHERE I COME FROM, WE FOLLOW THE "GOLDEN RULE"!! TREAT ME LIKE SHIT, AND YOU WILL BE TREATED WITH THE EXACT "CARE AND CONCERN".. 😂😂😂
If you are building a Fence on the edge of your Property, NEVER, EVER give the neighbouring Property more than 1 inch of your land. Pay for an Official Survey (assuming you don't already have one) to verify EXACTLY where the Property Line is. By building 1 inch off the line, you gain 100% ownership of the entire Fence and the Neighbours have absolutely no say in your Fence Style, Height and/or Colour because the Fence is 100% on your land, not straddling the Property Line putting it 50/50 on your and the Neighbouring Property...
Property line story: Or instead of moving the fence he could have placed a lien on the neighbors property to force the neighbor's kids to pay him for the property, minus what he planned to use. Backyard landscaping story: This is part of the reason I refuse to live in an HOA. But I'm also not an idiot and realize that the city, county, state and even the federal government often have a say as to what you can do on your property depending on where you live, what the actual conditions are and what you want/plan to do. And permits are often required. Razzy vs the fence story: Well Anne, you want a fence, YOU have a new one built on YOUR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE! Poor Razzy sounds like he was never properly trained. But OP, if you and the old neighbor KNEW where the survey pins were, why not just put a stake in front of each one and run a string between them? That way the fence wouldn't be off by more than a fraction of an inch. Trim tree vs fine story: The neighbor was conniving and couldn't believe that someone might actually do something nice for her if just asked nicely. Also, nothing is stopping the neighbor from planting a tree of her own on her side of the property line. But it will take a few or more years to provide the shade and privacy she wants. Clear fire hazards story: And if the city council hadn't tried this on someone who's property WAS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS, they likely would have continued to have gotten away with it.
Once before my when I was over at my dad's first house the neighbor tried to convince my dad that when I was in the backyard (I was 2-3) that I was cusing at her. 😂
Speaking of fences there was this case on Judge Judy that shows how dumb people can be. When this Karen sued a neighbor over removing their fence. The fence itself was literally falling apart. Fully rotten in fact. Then wanted $5000 on top of that. It seems the neighbor also brought a land survey, it seems the old fence was a good 2 feet in the neighbor's property. Not only did the Karen loose the cash, but 2 feet of their land.
It is always best to check property lines prior to any additions. It may piss off others or disappoint you in the end but either way it saves a ton of headaches.
I once had a neighbor who lived behind me who broke into our shed and when i confronted him he tried to run while saying o i thought i heard my girl messing around with someone in your shed. If true then why did you run when you saw me. Almost ten feet onto his property, should have left well enough alone but no had to rock the boat
I have a neighbor that scalps the property line almost every time he mows. It started because we wanted to show us that this over grown pine tree is in MY yard. The first mowing day hits and he starts at the post at the back of the property. This post tells us where the property line starts. He lowered his blades and starts his line. He makes it about 5 feet away from the tree and realizes the tree is in fact their tree. But instead of continuing the straight line. He makes a sharp turn and leaves a strange triangle of grass left to be mowed. I live in a small enough town that it doesn’t quiet matter who owns the property. collectively as neighbors we just help each other out with these small patches that you can’t reach due to fields or a small pond. But if you’re gunna scalp your lawn to try and prove a point… well buddy you might wanna get out your hedge clippers and start clearing out this mess of a tree
#3 The fine PER TREE was probably close to $2000. Then, the fines for obstructing the street could add a few more $1000. Start to work to early ? That's some other fines, 1 per day. Fine for the bad retaining wall ? Can get between $5000 and $10000. Then, rebuilding it up to code will cost more $$$. Replace that fence ? No reimbursement from the contractor for that illegal 10' fence that need to get demolished.
Story 5: in my area, if a tree grows over property lines, you were responsible for the branches over your land. Unless the tree was dead. So city would have gone after the neighbor to trim the branches.
The story about the realtor: If there was ever a perfect illustration of the Law of Unintended Consequences in action, this is it. Every last malicious compliance story is an illustration in itself, but this one tops them all for me. Knowing every single morning you leave for work that your personal wrecking machine will be going to work, too. That when you come home, what you owned that morning was more than what you own now. Always give considerable thought to every action that might have the potential to bite you in the hindquarters. "I make my words all soft and sweet because I never know which ones I'll have to eat."
Story #4. I wonder if the reason that Karen didn't hire someone to put up a fence, if because she knew the property line was considerably closer to her house than the fence had been. I say this because some places won't put up a fence without a survey first, if that happened to be the case that could explain why she didn't hire someone.
Story 3: Getting fined for cutting down any trees is painful enough, I live in Southern California (desert region) though and we have Joshua tree's over here. cutting down, removing or even just trimming one without a permit is a minimum fine of a $1,000.00 per tree messed with and can go up to as high as $2,500.00 per tree. (The fine amount is based on the size of the Joshua tree, and some of these Joshua trees are HUGE.) A friend of mine a few years ago had bought some desert land (about 20 acres worth) to build his house on and didn't like how Joshua trees looked. So he ripped them all out, there was about 20 of them (I think). A neighbor down the road ratted him out to the city inspectors office for it and he got fined almost the same amount that he had paid for the property itself. And before you ask, yes, myself and several other friends of his laughed at him because we all warned him not to do it without getting those permits first. Not sure how the law is now but back then in California you had to have a separate permit for EACH Joshua tree.
Omg I thought Karen was going to have to confess to being the city wanting the tree cut but knowing Karen's they don't know the meeting of surrender or apology lol.
About the tree fines on the 3rd story - I don't know how is it in USA, but in my country there are only two things certain to land you in jail: child support and cutting down a tree, any tree, even if you planted it yourself, without a permission.
Its thanks to these these stories that I learned a valuable lesson: don't mess with trees unless you have permission from like 2 or more official people that are licensed in treeconomics
I have a tree in my backyard that has branches hanging over my next door neighbor's driveway. It's completely crazy that they decided to be neighborly and ask us to trim them. What's even crazier is we complied with their insane request! I'm thinking we should have threatened to sue them instead because how dare they be good neighbors and politely ask us something rather than causing an issue?!
Story #4: why are people always so dense?! NEVER di anything property related WITHOUT a written contract that states the agreement!! Like.. If the neighbours agreed to the fence, no problem, just let them give it in writing so if they sell it you don't have problems!
When I moved into my first house, my driveway ran alongside, about 12' wide and 175' long. I was told this was originally an easement to the building behind my property, but when the building's owner had fenced off his site he had no further use of the easement, and he sold it to the previous owners of my house. Imagine my surprise when the neighbor on the other side of the driveway sold his property, and the new owner claimed my driveway as his! Turned out the easement was part of his property, not mine, and he wanted it back. So we had to park our cars in the front yard after that. Not all was lost, though. The easement also included access to the back of MY property, and I insisted that it be left open. He couldn't put up the fence he wanted, because that would block my access. He put it up on the other side of the easement. So I ended up with the same driveway I had had all along...except that I couldn't park on it. People passing must have wondered why I parked my cars in the front yard when I this perfectly fine driveway next to my house.
In my country, if your neighbors used part of your property for over 20 years without you doing anything about it being on paper ax a temporarily use, you lose your property forever and it is now the neighbors without paying a cent for it. If you don't want to lose property to stealing neighbors pay attention when they are building a shed, extension, garage or fence. Be sure you have the blueprints with the property lines when you buy a house. When my mother passed away we found it and they had it for over 50 years The buyers of my mother's mhouse were very glad with it.
My Mom owned a little stucco house on the side of a steep hill in a little mountain resort town. These houses were all very individual and of various values, with some of the older homes built around the turn of the last century. Hers was built in 1948. The way of the village in those days was that neighbors helped neighbors and they looked out for each other. Her house was accessible from a back road and parking spot, which made ir easier to bring in groceries. Part of the road went over the uphill neighbor's property and they gave her a legal easement. The neighbor below her had a short, extremely steep driveway, so mom let her park in mom's parking spots on the lower side during winter. Decades passed. The uphill neighbor sold to a nasty professional man from the city, who started lots of legal trickery to take away her easement. It would have cost her more than $10,000 to prove her right in court to use that road. Then nasty neighbor built a high rock wall across the lower border of his property and across the road where it entered her property and put a padlocked gate on the road itself, meaning in her 80's she had to carry her groceries up a steep flight of stone stairs - & keep the ice and snow off those stairs. Long after mom could no longer live there alone, my sisters and i plotted on how we could sneak up there in the night and block NN's road so HE couldn't get in or out. But alas, being "nice" people, used to the old neighborly ways, we didn't do it.
It happens especially when zoning laws are not followed. I know of one instance where a land owner inside town nominally anyway but was really outside city limits. City bus and services were paid for via bill not taxes.
I remember in the 1980's when Mr. T moved to leafy Lake Forest, IL and proceeded to cut down most of the trees on his land. There was no permit needed at the time because who would move there and not want trees, right? It's still know as Mr. T's Lake Forest Massacre.
I once had a new neighbor try to tell me that the shed where we stored our lawn mower was on their land and therefore belonged to them. My family had owned the house (and land) since it was built. We agreed that they could have it if they got a licensed surveyor to support their claim. Surveyor said, "Actually, their driveway was on our land." We already knew that. Dad had granted the easement to the previous (original) owner 40 years earlier, when the other house was built.
So did he take back the land this time? Bacuse I'm petty like that and I'd be taking back my land after this.
@@wmj1860 No, we didn't. The surveyor explained to them that we had every right to, especially what they had tried to do. It paid off, because they became decent neighbors, eventually.
@@RainbowCleftjust keep bringing it up every now and then.
"Hey, remember that time you got greedy and tried to take shit that didn't belong to you, then you got humbled when it turned out I actually owned some of your stuff? That was fucking funny."
@@RainbowCleft fair enough, no need to cause more trouble and end up with a next door neighbour that hates you if it's no necessary. But like the other guy above said just make jokes now and then so they know you can at any point😂
@@thechh8297 oh, we didn't let them forget
Story 4: Anne was willing to pay a lawyer, but not put up her own fence?
She probably had lawyer available to her because of the realty company. Bet she claimed it as a business expense
Not surprising, she's a KAREN...enough said 😂
@@robingibson6561 Apparently she's a Kar-Anne.
-That actually sounds like a good name for a fictional character, I should remember that.-
@@videogamefan101 don't that's a nme you use when the well of inspiration runs dry
First story. Reminds me of a story my dad told me.. When he had gotten his first car, he was driving in a neighborhood and something fell in the floorboard, and he looked down at it and accidentally hit a parked car that was on the side of the road in front of a house. Dad was young, and figured he was in the wrong and didn't want a mark against his driving record, so he offered to pay the owner the money to repair the car. But the owner was having none of it, so dad called my grandfather, and he came down and told the man, "My son offered to pay for the damage. Why do you want to call the police and get a mark against his driving record?" But the owner insisted, so they called the police, who ticketed the man that owned the car for the car being parked on the wrong side of the road due to the direction it was facing, and the man had to pay for my dad's repairs. Lesson, don't be a bh.
Reverse Uno Card FTW!
Story 5 - A moment of silence for the innocent tree that was cut down.
😢😢😢😢
Tree law. 😮
*playing taps and salute* 🎺
Made me angry, what a spiteful douche, just let her pay for the maintenance
@@lissieloveskitties She started it.
The last story went exactly like this:
"We'll take you to court!"
"Oh, please do~"
**Cue warning bells**
"Could whoever that is turn off their phone? I'm trying to file a lawsuit against this property owner so I can keep stealing money!"
Those are the same Klaxon alarms that ring whenever the questions, "Are you sure?" and, "Can I get that in writing?" are asked.
@@JamesDavy2009when the DM asks you if you are sure twice but you fail the wisdom save both times 😢
Always be wary of pissing off people in the right with money and time on their hands to challenge you.
Rule of thumb when it comes to these kinds of property agreements: put it in writing. Handshake deals are great as friends... but at some point someone else will get control of one of the properties. If you have it in writing, it's a lot harder for people to dispute.
And then you have to pay lawyer to make it official. Would that be cheaper or more expensive than surveyor?
@@gorilladisco9108small claims court don't need lawyer to approve written contract made by 2 individuals. Even text message agreement/contract is accepted...
Wouldn't you just have to get the document notarized? That's only $15 in the US. I have no idea what it is in other countries.
@@gorilladisco9108 how would a surveyor help if it indeed wasn't your land or indeed too close to the property line?
If there is a proper contract later owners have to respect it as well. No surveyor can change that part...
@@Zaxus in Germany you have to put it into the Grundbuch, which is where property lines are recorded. Each entry there costs a shitton of money and you have to use a notary to do it. But at least such agreements can't be challenged in court later. This can be pretty important if your house depends on it.
Razzy Story: What Karen actually needs is to properly Train Razzy to not be aggressive and not chew the furniture...
I wouldn't have been surprised if Razzy got taken away by that city official. The only thing more saddening than a dog in the pound is a dog with a horrid owner.
I think Anne got what she deserved on this one!!
But that's too HAAAARRRRDDDDD!
My side fence is nearly two full feet in my neighbor's yard. She wants me to take it down. I refused since the fence is on her property and it's been there since before I bought the house. We've feuded about it for years and she even tried to take me to court. The court ruled that the fence is on her property, so it's her responsibility to take it down.
My favorite story about land dispute was this one:
OP has been on a long feud with her Karen neighbor, who hated OP because they bought the house and land next door that used to belong to Karen's irresponsible son, until he lost it due to failing to pay the taxes. Karen even tried to steal them back, claiming they were hers, but failed.
Recently, OP wanted to build a fence, but when they checked for the property lines, they found out Karen was claiming a significant part of their property. They tried to dispute it, but Karen, being rich, bribed a surveyor to give her a survey just the way she wanted, and OP couldn't hire a surveyor of their own without saving money first.
In the area they live, there are extremely strict laws regarding surveys: a surveyor who was found guilty of giving a bad survey, even by honest mistake, would face fines and lose their license, not to mention refunding their clients and paying for potential damages and a new survey. Because of this, surveys are extremely expensive (they are putting their lifes on the line, after all) and surveyors will avoid anything even resembling a property dispute. For OP, a survey would cost as much as, if not more than, the price of the disputed land itself.
So OP left the situation be for the time being... and then it happened: a bad storm knocked down a tree that was on the disputed property. It caused damage to another nearby property, and also destroyed a rich person's sports car. That person's insurance tried to bill OP for over 200.000 dollars. OP disputed the bill, claiming that the tree was on Karen's property, and used the surveyor she hired against her: the guy stuck to the survey he did, knowing full well the consequences he'd face if he gave them anything different. So, in the end, Karen was forced to pay the 200.000 dollars out of her own pocket.
Yeah, I remember it, didn’t she also run the local grocery and her son was overcharging people for extra pocket money?
Ok this story doesn't make sense or maybe it's the woman in the story that doesn't make sense, but if she was so rich why didn't she just pay her son's taxes if she was gonna be so angry about him losing the house
I love these stories when neighbors SWEAR they own part of your land and can prevent you from putting up a privacy fence, or whatever.
Only to have a surveyor come and show that the A-hole neighbor is FEET over their property line into the nice homeowner's property.
FAFO!😂😂😂
Story 4 - Hey she got what wanted and now she has to deal with the consequences..😂😂😂
It's like the old saying: Be careful what you wish for. You might get it.
@@johnopalko5223 Exactly
Story 3; Never take a shovel from a fool digging his own grave.
I love that saying. I might have to 'steal' it 😂
@@Purrrple Me too!!! Can i steal it please!!!
My sister inherited our mom's house. In that neighborhood, it was a house, driveway, house, driveway...all the way down the street. There was a 3' strip of grass between the house and the neighbor's.
Over the years, our back garden (i had a black thumb, so I never touched the garden, as I could kill plastic flowers) had sort of spread, with my sister planting flowers, etc, right up to the neighbor's drive, which I knew were encroaching on their space which I told my sister, but she ignored me.
Now these were really nice people, so when they told my sister that they wanted to
Plant tomatoes and such on the patch next to their driveway, my sister insisted it was HER property.
They didn't argue, but called our city to have a surveyor come out. No charge - they provide such services for free.
I was tickled ( I'm a b***h, I know) when the surveyor sunk pegs that showed my sister was over the property line by over THREE FEET.
She's an unmedicated bipolar person who claims there is nothing wrong with her - it's the rest of the world that's crazy. Seriously. So when I tell you lost the plot (pun intended), I'm not kidding. She was flinging wild accusations of bribery, claiming the surveyor was lying, didn't know what he was doing, etc.
She was, quite literally SCREAMING and raging so loudly that I could easily hear her in the house.
When all was said and done, she spent a week moving her plants. Plus she never spoke to the neighbors again.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂You have my sympathy!!!
@@elizabethmaart6950 Not only did she inherit thechouse (2hich was fine), but she must have 5hought that she also inherited 5he content because she unrefined to let me choose 5he few 0iec3s of furniture that I wanted. She would say "I'm going to let you have this or that" - all stuff she knew damned well i didn't want.
When I was a kid, my parents built a big garage. It was the footprint of a small bungalow. They put it 3 feet from the property line so that they could get behind it to do any repairs. The neighbor had a fit bc it blocked the sun. Too bad. He worked at juvenile hall, and threatened to use his connections to have us move it. My parents told him that since we built it correctly, paperwork and all, we'd sue him and have his ass fired if he did anything. That shut him up. His daughter ended up being a lawyer. She takes on a lot of AHs who threaten their neighbors.
If you are doing something with your Land and someone claims you're infringing on their land, your only response should be "Prove that with an Official Report from a Licensed Surveyor or screw off!" and continue with what you were doing until and unless they can provide the requested Proof...
I'd wait for the report so I don't waste money
Anne did. And she was right, OP's fence was infringing her land.
Not that it helped her, though.
My friend moved to Montana years ago. His step mom inherited land from her parents and eventually a neighbor became a pain. Just complaining about anything and everything. 1 day he decided to argue about fencing. He had a “ friend “ check the property line. Got a shady lawyer. Didn’t go well. My friend paid for a real person to check property lines.
Idiot neighbor lost it all. His backyard, his voice( he became speechless after losing) , his wife. She divorced him when she found out about his little stunt. She reminded him, the home they live in is on their land! So she kicked him out. She still lives in the house actually
Story 4: Anne shouldn’t be a dog owner if that’s what she does with Razzy
LOL the woman that demanded the guy pay her or take his fence down. Than wanted him to build a new fence because HER dog was chewing up HER furniture. I would have laughed in her face and told her "That's a YOU problem," closed door. Protest to a locked door B.
Story 4 (the one with the dog Razzy in it): There would've been no trouble at all if the dog was properly trained from puppy. (Hint: the puppies learn fastest, just like Human children). But as the dog was, as it seems, totally untrained there was no way to control him. Sad.
Story 3: Finally, an HOA story where they AREN'T the villain. Absolutely amazing.
I get almost gleeful when I hear stories about tree law. You always know it's going to involve an entitled idiot and a massive fine.
Tree Story: If Karen really wants shade on her bedroom window, she can install a DEEP Root Barrier surrounding the bed outside the window and then plant Bamboo...
Bamboo is extremely fast growing and unless stopped with a root barrier, will spread across the entire area until it finds ground it can't grow on (paved road, concrete sidewalk, creek, swamp etc.)...it's almost as bad as Kudzu in how fast it will spread and how hard it is to get rid of once it takes root in an area...
And here I thought my tiger lilies liked to spread, encroach and take over. 😂😂😂
They do (also the NY State flower and is protected there), but DAYUMMM, my lilies could learn a thing or two from Bamboo!😂😂😂
@@badkitty4922 It isn't all species of bamboo that are nearly as bad as Kudzu, but there are several that are...they spread by sending runners out horizontally underground from their roots which then sprout a new Bamboo Stalk that grows up into the air so when you see many dozen stalks, it's actually all a single plant...which is why you need a DEEP root barrier (it stops the runners) to keep it confined to a single garden bed...and if you're trying to get rid of it without using chemicals, you can't miss a single runner or it will keep coming back...
Bamboo is actually a grass, not a tree...
The easiest way to permanently remove the nasty spreading Bamboo is to cut down all the stalks, then dig up and remove at least the top 8 inches of soil before replacing it with fresh, Bamboo-Free topsoil...it's expensive, but you're 99.999% guaranteed to not miss a single runner...
@@HappilyHomicidalHooligan It's like that bamboo took some cues from the fungus kingdom.
Ann learnt a expensive lesson…
Play silly games win silly prizes.
In regards to property lines and dogs, I have a wholesome "story" to tell.
My family and our neighbor live in a double-house on a street with absolute no sidewalk but very few traffic. Our frontyard is seperated by a double flower bed (one from us and one from the neighbor). In the 80s, we had a dog. A collie. And he loved the neighbor. But the dog wasn't allowed to jump over the flower beds to the neighbor. In compliance the dog left our property, ran to the neighbors property and jumped over the flower bed to our property. (The dog seemed to have thought, that we just didn't allow the one direction.) It was most beautiful, when the dog ran a few times in circles.
What kind of collie?
@@JamesDavy2009
I think in English that breed would be called "Rough Collie".
@@HalfEye79 Just like Lassie.
@@JamesDavy2009
Yes. But our collie looked more royal. Therefore we named him "Prinz" (german for "prince").
Having the audacity to tell the general public to mind their own business while actively being a public nuisance has to be a whole new level of lacking self awareness. If you’re blocking roads that the neighbors use on a daily basis, then it’s just as much their business as it is yours.
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I really like how the stories are all within a certain theme in each video.
Story 1: The actual moral of the story is to check the property lines before you start building. This will make sure that you don't have any of these problems to begin with. So many of these stories could just be solved by OP getting the property lines checked before they start building. It's no different than having them come out to mark buried utility lines.
It's definitely cheaper than the 5,000 and 10,000 originally offered.
Story 1: Rush Hour 2, 'greed will imprison us all'. The greedy kids should have just take 5-10k instead of pushing their luck.
I was thinking the same thing. To quote Hermione Granger “What an idiot.”
@@tmntfangirl4700mmm, maybe what a greedy AH...
An aspect of property disputes that people tend to overlook is that over decades and centuries, the land itself moves. As such, it is very hard to establish property markers and borderlines that maintain expected property shapes and sizes.
Streams and river move their beds. Buried stakes can get shifted by animals, people, or environmental changes. Even latitudes and longitudes move relative to buildings as the continents drift a foot or 4 per century. If your property hasn't changed hands or been surveyed in the last 50+ years, a new survey is likely to establish the property lines in a different place than you expect.
Huh, I did not know this, but good to know! 👍
It's how some U.S. states that have river borders that don't exactly follow the rivers as they are now and have pieces of opposite riverbank in their jurisdiction.
Retaining Wall Story: If I was OP, I'd be calling the Police for all the early morning Noise Violations (Chainsaws and tree chippers at 6:30 AM? Nope...[beep, beep, beep...hello, Police?]) and I'd also be calling the Police when his Contractors start dumping all the building materials in the street, blocking travel by the residents cars...after that, I'd call in the complaint to City Code Enforcement about all the construction without Permits...
YES!!!
Yes, I agree but wasn't all the fines (for cutting down the trees, building a fence without a permit and all the other stupid things he did and got fined for) almost worth. He'll probably have to sell the house, at a loss, to cover the fines. Hilarious!
Story 4 would have been perfect if OP had said something like "What do you mean you will *help* pay for the fence? I don't need a fence, you do, so you can pay for it in full yourself."
Story 4: she burned that bridge before it could even be built. Well done karen! That is not how you get someone to be willing to help you
"Mate, I need you to build bridges at the same rate that I burn 'em." -The Bloke Who Built Brisbane
Story 3 - Hey OP did what the guy said and the guy ended up hanging himself for his entitled arrogance.
Wahh wahh waaaaahh.😂
In the first story, the old neighbor was not only nice but also knew exactly what to do to teach his entitled kids a lesson in greediness.
Story 1 - LOL! Oh man I bet that scorched that kids greedy hide to the nth degree. Not only did he lose out on some money but he also lost a portion of property!😂😂😂😂
And a massive scolding from his parents
@@JamesRossmeissl gf
My neighbor wanted to replace his fence as it was falling apart. WE share the fence, so asked if we wanted to go 50/50 on it. If he didn't replace it, I would have too, and they have been great neighbors. So I went in on him with it. His sons and brother did all the work. I was 1 panel short, so he just got another one and put it in. Refused payment for it, didn't want more than water. Super nice guy, fence looks great.
Story 3: I bet that George Washington's father was not concerned about his son telling lies or about a child wielding a hatchet. Rather, he was worried about what their HOA would say.
cutting trees is totally the entire neighborhood's business. large trees can have roots that are attached to the foundations and cutting them off will eventually cause the roots to rot and may break the integrity of the houses and streets. if the neighborhood is on a hill it could weaken the land and cause a landslide.
There is TH-cam and then there is TH-cam with a new DarkFluff video. Yes, it's a good day.
Almost everyday is TH-cam with a new DarkFluff video, so a lot of good days then?
The funny part, the neighbors really didn't lose anything. His kid on the other hand lost the value of the land of his property when he tries to sell the house.
I’m sitting here laughing at story 3. I live in a Non HOA neighborhood and even then, we can’t do what those douche canoes are doing. lol.
With all the HOA horror stories on Reddit, I've only this to say:
No HOA is infinitely better than an overbearing, micromanaging, abusive HOA.
That said, reasonable HOAs _do_ exist; you just need to be on the lookout for them.
These people that try to bully neighbors into giving them access to their land are kind of like small dogs barking at big dogs They don't know what they're going to get themselves into if they don't have all their facts straight.
I hear a lot about bad HOAs, so it's nice to hear about them actually being reasonable with their rules.
A broken clock is right twice a day
All Ann had to do was pay someone to put up a new fence. But Karen's gonna Karen
Worked for a bank in their telephone offices. Was hired to help people with their accounts but we were forced to plug some monthly crap you add to the account you have to pay for the you get money off in areas youll probably never use, was a sick con. I tried to fight them on it and they proved they had the right to make me sell if they wanted.
I discovered if you're selling a product, any product you are a salesperson. I'd introduce myself as a salesperson and they'd either hang up or want to speak to another person, when my bosses found my calls were low they listened in and pulled me up for it. I showed them where it was written and informed them I was complying with financial services regulations.
Story 3: Sometimes, not minding your own business is the right thing to do. This guy illegally cut down trees and broke the fence rules, yet acted all hostile when called out for it.
Enjoy the fines
Story 2: You just gotta love a Karen that "didn't realize that there wouldn't be anything between their two properties to contain their dog" when OP was REMOVING A FENCE!
Ladies and gentlemen, common sense has left the Karen (assuming she had any).
Those fence stories- see why it's nice to be nice??!😂😂
A rare moment that I'm in TH-cam when a new video drops from my favorite Reddit narrator. Life is good. :)
Story 4- "I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THINGS IN THE " BIG CITY" , BUT HERE IN THE STICKS, WHERE I COME FROM,
WE FOLLOW THE
"GOLDEN RULE"!!
TREAT ME LIKE SHIT, AND YOU WILL BE TREATED WITH THE EXACT "CARE AND CONCERN".. 😂😂😂
Thank you! Im grateful for the actual humans with actual humanity
Final Story - To OP’s FIL… respect ✊
In the first story, the OP's neighbor didn't lose anything. The OP regained property.
Story 2: "Okay, what sneaky, underhanded thing are you gonna do to those neighbors?"
"The sneakiest thing I can do: absolutely nothing." 😈
That comment reminded me of the old _Simpsons_ episode _Burns' Heir_ when Mr. Burns and company went inside and locked the door on Homer.
If you are building a Fence on the edge of your Property, NEVER, EVER give the neighbouring Property more than 1 inch of your land. Pay for an Official Survey (assuming you don't already have one) to verify EXACTLY where the Property Line is. By building 1 inch off the line, you gain 100% ownership of the entire Fence and the Neighbours have absolutely no say in your Fence Style, Height and/or Colour because the Fence is 100% on your land, not straddling the Property Line putting it 50/50 on your and the Neighbouring Property...
It depends on your county and municipal ordinances too. Some municipalities require you to be a foot or two on your side of the property line.
Property line story: Or instead of moving the fence he could have placed a lien on the neighbors property to force the neighbor's kids to pay him for the property, minus what he planned to use.
Backyard landscaping story: This is part of the reason I refuse to live in an HOA. But I'm also not an idiot and realize that the city, county, state and even the federal government often have a say as to what you can do on your property depending on where you live, what the actual conditions are and what you want/plan to do. And permits are often required.
Razzy vs the fence story: Well Anne, you want a fence, YOU have a new one built on YOUR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE! Poor Razzy sounds like he was never properly trained. But OP, if you and the old neighbor KNEW where the survey pins were, why not just put a stake in front of each one and run a string between them? That way the fence wouldn't be off by more than a fraction of an inch.
Trim tree vs fine story: The neighbor was conniving and couldn't believe that someone might actually do something nice for her if just asked nicely. Also, nothing is stopping the neighbor from planting a tree of her own on her side of the property line. But it will take a few or more years to provide the shade and privacy she wants.
Clear fire hazards story: And if the city council hadn't tried this on someone who's property WAS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS, they likely would have continued to have gotten away with it.
Once before my when I was over at my dad's first house the neighbor tried to convince my dad that when I was in the backyard (I was 2-3) that I was cusing at her. 😂
I cannot imagine starting construction of an extension without first ascertaining that I knew where the property line falls
Poor Razzy sounds unsocialized. Stupid Anne has been neglecting her dog 9_9
Taking down a tree that took decades to grow, just to be a petty asshole, that's a nope for me. That one's awful.
Playing stupid games,gets you stupid prizes!😂😂😂
Speaking of fences there was this case on Judge Judy that shows how dumb people can be. When this Karen sued a neighbor over removing their fence. The fence itself was literally falling apart. Fully rotten in fact. Then wanted $5000 on top of that. It seems the neighbor also brought a land survey, it seems the old fence was a good 2 feet in the neighbor's property. Not only did the Karen loose the cash, but 2 feet of their land.
TREE LAW!!!
Also, kinda funny how that applies to one's own trees too 🙃
It is always best to check property lines prior to any additions. It may piss off others or disappoint you in the end but either way it saves a ton of headaches.
I once had a neighbor who lived behind me who broke into our shed and when i confronted him he tried to run while saying o i thought i heard my girl messing around with someone in your shed. If true then why did you run when you saw me. Almost ten feet onto his property, should have left well enough alone but no had to rock the boat
I have a neighbor that scalps the property line almost every time he mows. It started because we wanted to show us that this over grown pine tree is in MY yard.
The first mowing day hits and he starts at the post at the back of the property. This post tells us where the property line starts. He lowered his blades and starts his line. He makes it about 5 feet away from the tree and realizes the tree is in fact their tree. But instead of continuing the straight line. He makes a sharp turn and leaves a strange triangle of grass left to be mowed.
I live in a small enough town that it doesn’t quiet matter who owns the property. collectively as neighbors we just help each other out with these small patches that you can’t reach due to fields or a small pond. But if you’re gunna scalp your lawn to try and prove a point… well buddy you might wanna get out your hedge clippers and start clearing out this mess of a tree
Story 4 - I feel kinda' sorry for Razzy, though.
#3 The fine PER TREE was probably close to $2000. Then, the fines for obstructing the street could add a few more $1000. Start to work to early ? That's some other fines, 1 per day. Fine for the bad retaining wall ? Can get between $5000 and $10000. Then, rebuilding it up to code will cost more $$$. Replace that fence ? No reimbursement from the contractor for that illegal 10' fence that need to get demolished.
Story 5: in my area, if a tree grows over property lines, you were responsible for the branches over your land. Unless the tree was dead. So city would have gone after the neighbor to trim the branches.
The story about the realtor: If there was ever a perfect illustration of the Law of Unintended Consequences in action, this is it. Every last malicious compliance story is an illustration in itself, but this one tops them all for me. Knowing every single morning you leave for work that your personal wrecking machine will be going to work, too. That when you come home, what you owned that morning was more than what you own now. Always give considerable thought to every action that might have the potential to bite you in the hindquarters. "I make my words all soft and sweet because I never know which ones I'll have to eat."
Why would you chop down a healthy tree to spite your neighbour? Trees are more important than anybody's ego.
Story #4. I wonder if the reason that Karen didn't hire someone to put up a fence, if because she knew the property line was considerably closer to her house than the fence had been. I say this because some places won't put up a fence without a survey first, if that happened to be the case that could explain why she didn't hire someone.
Hi Fluff great stories as always. My big day is tomorrow 58 . Looking to hearing you tell the best stories.🥰❤️
The moral of the first story is check the property lines before starting a building project, that way you don’t swindle yourself out of 10K.
Story 3: Getting fined for cutting down any trees is painful enough, I live in Southern California (desert region) though and we have Joshua tree's over here. cutting down, removing or even just trimming one without a permit is a minimum fine of a $1,000.00 per tree messed with and can go up to as high as $2,500.00 per tree. (The fine amount is based on the size of the Joshua tree, and some of these Joshua trees are HUGE.) A friend of mine a few years ago had bought some desert land (about 20 acres worth) to build his house on and didn't like how Joshua trees looked. So he ripped them all out, there was about 20 of them (I think). A neighbor down the road ratted him out to the city inspectors office for it and he got fined almost the same amount that he had paid for the property itself. And before you ask, yes, myself and several other friends of his laughed at him because we all warned him not to do it without getting those permits first. Not sure how the law is now but back then in California you had to have a separate permit for EACH Joshua tree.
Equivalency: 2 square furlongs or 1/320 square mile.
Malicious compliance that leads to criminal charges is the best kind. 😈
Omg I thought Karen was going to have to confess to being the city wanting the tree cut but knowing Karen's they don't know the meeting of surrender or apology lol.
About the tree fines on the 3rd story - I don't know how is it in USA, but in my country there are only two things certain to land you in jail: child support and cutting down a tree, any tree, even if you planted it yourself, without a permission.
Its thanks to these these stories that I learned a valuable lesson: don't mess with trees unless you have permission from like 2 or more official people that are licensed in treeconomics
I have a tree in my backyard that has branches hanging over my next door neighbor's driveway. It's completely crazy that they decided to be neighborly and ask us to trim them. What's even crazier is we complied with their insane request! I'm thinking we should have threatened to sue them instead because how dare they be good neighbors and politely ask us something rather than causing an issue?!
Poor dog. The only reason a dog ruins furniture like that is because they’re not being taken care of or given any attention.
Neigbours "landscaping"
My concern: If those neigbours live with downslide lawn, the trees would have been a countermessure against a landslide.......
Story 3: Wait, the HOA was on the good side of a dispute? How strange!
Story #4: why are people always so dense?! NEVER di anything property related WITHOUT a written contract that states the agreement!! Like.. If the neighbours agreed to the fence, no problem, just let them give it in writing so if they sell it you don't have problems!
When I moved into my first house, my driveway ran alongside, about 12' wide and 175' long. I was told this was originally an easement to the building behind my property, but when the building's owner had fenced off his site he had no further use of the easement, and he sold it to the previous owners of my house.
Imagine my surprise when the neighbor on the other side of the driveway sold his property, and the new owner claimed my driveway as his! Turned out the easement was part of his property, not mine, and he wanted it back. So we had to park our cars in the front yard after that.
Not all was lost, though. The easement also included access to the back of MY property, and I insisted that it be left open. He couldn't put up the fence he wanted, because that would block my access. He put it up on the other side of the easement. So I ended up with the same driveway I had had all along...except that I couldn't park on it. People passing must have wondered why I parked my cars in the front yard when I this perfectly fine driveway next to my house.
Surely checking the property lines before building anything would be just basic common-sense, regardless of how you get on with the neighbour?
In fact, it's mandatory you have a survey done in order to get permits in most places. I doubt it matters much where you live
Tree Law...!
The moral of the first story is: If you want to build, check the property line BEFORE you start.
In my country, if your neighbors used part of your property for over 20 years without you doing anything about it being on paper ax a temporarily use, you lose your property forever and it is now the neighbors without paying a cent for it. If you don't want to lose property to stealing neighbors pay attention when they are building a shed, extension, garage or fence. Be sure you have the blueprints with the property lines when you buy a house.
When my mother passed away we found it and they had it for over 50 years The buyers of my mother's mhouse were very glad with it.
Why do people want to kill trees just to prove a point? Or just because it's their property? It is so inhumane.
funny thing about story 6 is, the council basically put themselves in jail by threatening legal action lmao
Great first story.
My Mom owned a little stucco house on the side of a steep hill in a little mountain resort town. These houses were all very individual and of various values, with some of the older homes built around the turn of the last century. Hers was built in 1948.
The way of the village in those days was that neighbors helped neighbors and they looked out for each other. Her house was accessible from a back road and parking spot, which made ir easier to bring in groceries. Part of the road went over the uphill neighbor's property and they gave her a legal easement. The neighbor below her had a short, extremely steep driveway, so mom let her park in mom's parking spots on the lower side during winter.
Decades passed. The uphill neighbor sold to a nasty professional man from the city, who started lots of legal trickery to take away her easement. It would have cost her more than $10,000 to prove her right in court to use that road. Then nasty neighbor built a high rock wall across the lower border of his property and across the road where it entered her property and put a padlocked gate on the road itself, meaning in her 80's she had to carry her groceries up a steep flight of stone stairs - & keep the ice and snow off those stairs. Long after mom could no longer live there alone, my sisters and i plotted on how we could sneak up there in the night and block NN's road so HE couldn't get in or out. But alas, being "nice" people, used to the old neighborly ways, we didn't do it.
good day Darkfluff!😊
Story 6: whoever said “you can’t fight city hall” clearly never met OPs FIL
Story 5: I would’ve spared the tree, especially after the neighbor backed off. It wasn’t the tree’s fault.
One should never call for a looknat property lines unless they themselves have looked a said property lines
If you're outside the city limits, how can the city council demand changes to your property? Fishy story.
It happens especially when zoning laws are not followed. I know of one instance where a land owner inside town nominally anyway but was really outside city limits. City bus and services were paid for via bill not taxes.
Happy hump day early crew!
I remember in the 1980's when Mr. T moved to leafy Lake Forest, IL and proceeded to cut down most of the trees on his land. There was no permit needed at the time because who would move there and not want trees, right? It's still know as Mr. T's Lake Forest Massacre.