VW ID Buzz Pro 82 kWh winter range test
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Sat in my ID3 during break and Bjorn is setting off the Voice Command feature with all his ID references. 😁
Maybe part of the high consumption is because it is so spacious. It takes much more energy to heat up a larger volume of air, and to keep the temperature, because there are so many ways the heat gets lost from the cabin.
I think you're right. Good way to test would be if Bjorn could get one of the cargo vans and run the same test. The cargo van should only have to heat up the front portion of the cabin and not the cargo portion. Though there may be some leakage there. Seems that with all those windows there would be lots of heat loss.
We did a 640 km test of the Cargo against the Pro here in Sweden (in Oct and +10 degrees, so not winter) and got 8% less energy consumption on the Cargo (23,8 KWh vs. 25.8 KWh). But then the Cargo is also almost 150 kg lighter in the spec we used.
Found your channel, looking for info on Kempower, so glad I found you! Great info, and ironically saw how inefficient the new ID Buzz was on a spreadsheet I have so interesting to see real world test. 💚⚡💪🏽
Are you ever going to test the bZ4X? It would be a good laugh.
It’s -14C here in northern Sweden this morning. I wish you could test in this temperature.
Another thing I’d like to add is that the Buzz would be even cooler if the Buzz in the center display matched the colors of the Buzz you are driving instead of it always being silver. Buzz.
Exactly what I thought. Not fun for family road trips in the colder months.
UAU… that’s a big difference, although it’s understandable. Keep up the great work. I’m long time fan. If you don’t mind me asking, what app do you use to live stream?
You should put some extra/max vehicle load
Bjorn, What is the app that you use for all the power consumption and battery temperature readings in your videos? Thanks!
Heat Pump and a bigger Batterie is was the IDBuzz need.
Can't believe a Norwegian-spec car doesn't have a heat pump as standard.
The Nissan Leaf has had a reversible heat pump since 2013.
You mean get rid of the battery
Wondering if they will bring it to market with heat pump as ID.3 and ID.4 actually have it optionally. When are you going to the arctic circle and sleep in the ID. Buzz?👌🏽
i want the buzz in the usa its such a dope bus van
Which obd-reader and app do you use? is it possible to download detailed trip data from it?
Increase of 18-25% is actually pretty good from summer to cold winter, I would think. It is just that consumption as such is very high (van) and the battery in my opinion too small for a van which is often used for long trips. Many will probably even want to tow a small trailer and go about 400km at 100kmh on a highway before taking a break. That is then with trailer probably more than double of what the Buzz will manage even in summer. Ithink it could be a nice option but 9nly with a 100-120kWh battery at the very least. 🤷♂️
I wanted a Buzz until I saw how poor the range was. We drive at 120kmh, and the range at that speed is terrible in all weather. Definitely needed a much larger battery 125kw+ would be ideal... But even 100kw would have been much more useful for road trips. We live in the UK and travel in school holidays so most chargers above 50kw are hard to come by and have long queues at the times we travel! Tesla has not opened up it network except at about 10-15 supercharger sites. So fast charging is not useful and there will be no ID Buzz for us. We will keep the Tesla instead.
In my volvo v60 phev it's more than 50% 😢😢
@@sergeikulichkov7748 that is enormous... sorry to hear. in my Model R LR it is about 10-30% (the faster the more difference) and that is already with a heat pump
@@Moody_Blues_ you cannae change the laws of physics!
@@wintersun398 yeah that is why it needs a much bigger battery to be really useful
If you have not gone back to the warmth yet, I am pretty sure that the renault megane coldgates, it lost 10 percent soc over 2 days in my garage, in below zero temp. And would not charge above 50ish kwh on a 270 charger
Interesting question, can an electric car be thirsty? How do you call consuming power? Is power liquid?
the reason why it doesn't have same decrease rate as 90km/h run is,
that the increased time of using heater makes more effect on range of 90km/h run because of low speed.
Indeed! Just like the AC in summer.
Heater/AC consumes energy per hour, not per 100km ;)
Was about to post this but you beat me to it. I agree with you.
@ Bjorn when are you getting new Model S?
Offering no heat pump in a brand new car with this price tag is fairly sad.
Especially for the Norwegian market. Those crazy Germans!
Hello,
As you're an expert about the EV car. We've a problem to load the car with our Solar system at home. Could you do that with your EV via your Solar system at your house in Chiangdow?
Plz test the new model s plaid!
If the delta is lower at high speed than low speed , its probably due to higher base power requirement in winter. Aka, heating of systems.
Is it possible to get a range test for Id Buzz Cargo FULLY LOADED?
That would be nice:)
The company i work for i going to buy one of those.
I said "it is not going to work" Their reply, yes it will it has 420km range.
I said "Not fully loaded and in the winter"
:)
I remember commenting few months ago, that ID Buzz won't be sufficient enough in winter for highway driving. I can't imagine the pain people would have to go through if they were to travel in minus degrees on highway for few hundred kilometers, the consumption is just too high. If you compare it to diesel van, the difference is even more striking.
Well... the diesel van will spend almost nothing to heat the car after the engine is warm. In an EV - the battery will lose energy to heat the car. but how much? 1-2 kW/h? Also, with only the driver, won't air recirculation waste way less energy than getting fresh warm air constantly?
@@shmadmanuts It`s not just the energy to heat the cabin. It`s much more then that. Basically, something like id Buzz needs totally radical ideas and advance tech to be usable with current battery capacity.( Tesla heat pump tech at least. But it`s not enough)
Just a gimmick, I said it a month ago. A city van.
??? what math are you using? What is the consumption of such a bus under similar conditions on diesel?
@@ronbally2312 We have a VW T4 4x4 and it takes 10l/100km in cold temperatures. But the Buzz is way smaller. So the consumption is really really high for what it is. I also wouldn't feel save with this range. Thats absolutely uncomparable to a real VW Transporter.
@@Benjamin_Jehne still the ID Buzz is 3× more efficient
~170 miles at 55mph (90kph) is a bit rough for a van, which is often meant for long trips...
VW needs to add a heatpump asap. And maybe an extra 10kwh to the pack, then it would become much more practical.
From what I hear, a ~100kwh pack is coming on the long wheel base. Unsure if it will make its way to the shorter wheelbase though.
@@nothere572 Really needs 200 kwh
@@orionbetelgeuse1937 Or quit being lazy and learn how to take shorter breaks while driving.
@@lenuvian Not really. Less than 10% of people could afford that. More range isn't always better. You need to charge eventually, get over it.
Kind of absurdly wide tires on the van? Seems a bit weird. Surely that and lack of a heat pump would make a huge difference?
you would be killer at guess the weight games lol
You have been busy!
For the benefit of people (like me) in the UK and elsewhere that think in miles/kWh, this comes out to... 2.33 miles/kWh at 52mph, and 1.75 miles/kWh at 68mph. Vaguely in line with what I get from my Vivaro-e, though I haven't got enough numbers for it in sub-zero temps yet. Cold is a killer, clearly. Takeaways? 1) forewarned is forearmed 2) Drive slow, be ready to charge more. Thanks Bjorn.
Yeah, here in the UK "stay in when it snows" should be rule, given how people are coping. I might put my old US snow chains for sale on eBay -they don't fit our current car. Could probably get £200+ for them this week -ski resport prices. (z chains -buy some if you are ever in the US)
It seems to have just Slightly better mileage than the stellantis vans, but i think it seems to have a bit better range at high speeds and low temps. Probably better battery temp management.
I have a peugeot e-expert and get a bit over 350wh/km at 110 at similar temps, so i suspect i would be over 400 at 130.
The buzz is a much smaller internal volume though, so really it makes more sense to compare it to the kangoo e-tech.
Jeez that’s like 9,000 lb hummer EV efficiency. Pretty bad. Guess it’ll be much better in the summer… but man that’s low. Doubt you’ll see many costs savings from using electricity instead of gas alone
@@philorgneopolotin8762 eh, my electric van costs me 3€/100km. My old diesel van was over 20.
There's just no comparison. It's so much cheaper than the brand new ev van costs me as much per month as keeping my 5 year old paid off diesel van.
...or just buy a regular van that you can fuel up
Will the buzz do 200?
Does this Buzz have a heat pump? That could explain the poor range in super cold weather like that. Those things suck electrical power.
Why are almost no electric car transforming into more aerodynamic cars when they go fast? I think I saw one, the latest polestar do some adjustment, but not in the front of the car like I'm imagening..
I ordered the Buzz with "heat reflecting rear windows" and also with 19" Venlo rims. I wonder how much my configuration will differ from the one you test in winter.
I would also like to know how much these windows affect the temperature. Is it reflecting sunlight to keep the cabin cooler in summer or is it reflecting the heat inside? Or both?
The Nissan Leaf has had a reversible heat pump since 2013.
And heated seats and heated steering wheel help.
Mine doesn’t have it
@@furorentonori5838
The heat pump is on the SV and SL atrium level. The case model doesn’t have it.
Why did you buy the S level? The SL is so ,icy better, with the leather seats and surround camera
No heatpump? Oh lord...
IDs have never been known for good winter consumption - with such a large vehicle, this has an even clearer effect.
If possible, the area for the ski holiday should not be further than 190km away, with a stopover then about 300km. Everything else then becomes laborious.
It will get a heat pump in future. They had to roll out without because availability issues. That's what I've heard. The power socket should also get much more juice.
On id cars, heat pump is not very helpful in winter...
@@DG-uv3zw They have engineers and can improve it...? I'm quite happy with the consumption of my ID4 GTX now.
Your work is very important to drive the improvement, thank you for your honest opinions!
can't believe they have a place to weigh a car..you know the games you get with the car well the driving game let's you charge on the move...it's going to be the future
200km range from a 500kg battery uhh😮
It wasn’t even that cold either, -4c is warm right now for Northern Europe
Batterie tech needs to improve, way too heavy for big vehicles
6:15 😂😂
OK, this needs to be tested with a full load of passengers on the same trip. If this is the best an empty van can do, oh my.
Test it in -25
37? seems excessive...
Ist da echt eine Trommelbremse hinten?
ja
Airfryer lol 😂🤣
kWh/h what the hell
It’s a running joke.
1 er and cold ❄️❄️❄️
Cabin heating is an issue even in fossil vans of that size, the large outside surface area and large % of window are are significant loss.
The relative % change difference between high and low speed makes at least mathematical sense, too if cabin heating is a relevant factor. Cabin heat is constant per time and not distance or speed, so its relative impact is lower at high traction energy consumption.
Maybe you have the cabin heater numbers in the app?
After driving a few EV's during summer & winter, I've cincluded, that the batteries aren't good enough, not dense enough for good range, nor is the charging infrastructure any good, especially in the UK
Motorway service area, Grid serve 50kwh charger only charging E208 Peugeot at 16kwh ?
Madness .. why so show !
To me it's just absurd to buy a vehicle with such poor energy efficiency, regardless whether it is ICE or electric. I just don't get it! And those 20" inches wheels just don't make any sense.
poor? 35kwh/100km is equivalent to 3.5litres of diesel/100km. that's pretty good in the cold for a car with such a frontal area.
Different wheel sizes front to back...fail.
Why is that a fail? Pretty common for RWD cars.
@@Veroxzes
Is it s sport car? No. I want to change my wheels from time to time from the front to the rear. "Its common" is a real weak argument.
@@schunkelndedschunke6914 Didn’t consider that. I was thinking they put bigger tires on the back because the motors are there thus more weight, but the balance is 49/51.