Thank you very much for the Re-Test. The EQA is not that well tested since the last years update to PSM motor. I got mine in March this year and compared to my last year EQA with ASM motor it also has the same behavior as you found out: 1) big improvement in efficiency especially in lower speeds. 2) limit to 100 kW charging instead of 113 kW leads to 2 min longer charging time 10-80%. Actually Mercedes has also changed the official communicated charging time from 30 to 32 mins 10-80. The higher energy input to the battery could be a result of it, as with slower charging the battery hits its maximum voltage later. Maybe they limited due to lifetime worries or they changed the supplier of the cells.
I love this channel! :-). But my EQA has ALL the goodies, HUD, White seats, Roofhach, Better sound, Bigger screen, FANTASTIC intelligent autosteer/drive, etc etc.... so it depends on what you buy extra, but maybe you ment describe if you buy the cheepest one. But its good to say, thats it Possible, to get it for more money.
I remember when the EQS came out, they announced the EQA with a bit more range, stating the car will get a battery with the new more dense chemistry from the EQS. I guess that's why the capacity increased too.
15:15 the Wh/kg is getting better each month, so perhaps they are packing the same amount with better chemistry. And if they are packing the same physical amount of batteries it's inevitable that the capacity will rise.
If they get 16 % more range with a new motor (drive train losses are usually not that big in a EV), just a relatively short time after the model was launched the old motor has to be the worst one they could design
@@airestocky it's probably from a supplier, since Merc outsources most things to press the last Euro out of the suppliers. If the first version is from Siemens (they should know how to build a motor) it's no good advertising for Siemens. If you can get 16 % more range by switching the drive train the original one is really inefficient
Hey Bjorn great video as always 👍🏻 quick question why do you not seem to use eco mode on range tests now or 1000km test? I’m guessing eco mode does not make much difference as long as you are gentle with the throttle when in comfort mode… is this true? 👍🏻
Eco mode AFAIK makes no difference for motorway driving. It affects throttle response not efficiency at constant speed, but it often limits the heater which in Norway temperatures can be lethal.
@@CampGareth I think it makes more of a difference in ICE cars and hybrids for example I have a Toyota Camry hybrid, I arrived at work this morning, no motorway in eco mode all the way and I averaged 70mpg and it’s only 9 degrees in the uk this morning so I think I’ve done pretty well 😊
It varies quite a bit by vehicle, and driving style, and other factors. Check "Citroen e-C4 real world range test, eco mode" video, finding about 25% improvement on same mixed route/driving style vs. normal mode. The Citroen is an exception (along with a handful of others, e.g. Ionic 38 kWh), for most cars, it won't make *as much* difference - IF - you anyway drive gently. Other things being equal, reducing top speed (high aero losses) is the easiest efficiency gain, especially in cold conditions (high air density).
Could some of the extra range also be down to the fact that the car in this test has less equipment? No power needed for a cruise control that doesn't exist; same with the bigger sound system and other assistant systems.
Your 90kph number in warm weather normally comes close to WLTP. Odd that they claim 323 miles (for AMG with 18" wheels). At the same time they say its 157 Wh/km which would only give 290 miles with 70.5kWh they say it has! Wonder where the truth lies?
So the cheap Mercedes eqa 250 has a range of (454km) passes in range test the 2021 Tesla model 3 sr+ mic with lfp batteries (408), intresting! Maybe you can test again a new m3 sr+ with all the updates.
If you take the optional extras into account which are not included in the base price (a base Merc is naked with little stuff and barely sellable used) the EQA is more expensive than a Model 3 which has these extras as standard. Merc and other German brands earn their main profits with extras, not with the car itself
The 2021 Model 3 SR+ result you looked at was with old update and only 49.8 kWh net capacity. Look at row 207: 60 kWh LFP done in winter with 56.9 kWh. In summer that should be 56.9 kWh / 118 Wh/km = 482 km
@@bjornnyland Thanks Bjorn i am looking to buy a ev and I am definetely buying model 3 now, one more question, do you believe that tesla will increase the charging in the lfp batteries more than 170 kw or it will have more flat charging curve. Thanks. Also great vids keep it up!!
This shows that they are still in early EV devellopment. Lagging behind as a result of 10 years anti ev policy. Now i wait 10 years to consider this brand as my next ev.
I'm with you on the idea of getting some new music. I can suggest some stuff. 1, My Love's Leavin' by Foreplay. Summer Groove by Tim Bowman, Give "n: Take, by Darren Rahn, Sun's Out by Carol Albert, Friendships by Pascal Letoubion, and The Great Pagoda Of Funn by Donald Fagen. Bonus: Away from the Sun by 3 Doors Down and If Today Was Your Last Day by Nickelback
Yes, that language is the language of a poor man's car reviewer. Nonsense. The humour is the humour of a professional comedian. If he stops the poverty jokes all that we will be left with is the double entendres.
Thank you very much for the Re-Test. The EQA is not that well tested since the last years update to PSM motor. I got mine in March this year and compared to my last year EQA with ASM motor it also has the same behavior as you found out:
1) big improvement in efficiency especially in lower speeds.
2) limit to 100 kW charging instead of 113 kW leads to 2 min longer charging time 10-80%. Actually Mercedes has also changed the official communicated charging time from 30 to 32 mins 10-80. The higher energy input to the battery could be a result of it, as with slower charging the battery hits its maximum voltage later. Maybe they limited due to lifetime worries or they changed the supplier of the cells.
that, and with the bigger battery the overall gain for just 2 minutes more seems even bigger.
Do you know if there is a way to see which motor a specific vehicle has?
I tried the car yesterday. I think its a pretty good ride, I could bye it.
I love this channel! :-). But my EQA has ALL the goodies, HUD, White seats, Roofhach, Better sound, Bigger screen, FANTASTIC intelligent autosteer/drive, etc etc.... so it depends on what you buy extra, but maybe you ment describe if you buy the cheepest one. But its good to say, thats it Possible, to get it for more money.
Men it took a lot of effort for me to buy an EQE 300 and every time you say these cars are "poor man Mercedes" you break my heart a bit 🤣
EQE is not poor mans mercedes
An EQE is for sure not a poor man’s car. Good choice.
That’s why I didn’t get an EQE. It might start at €70000, but how it needs to be equipped it is at least €92000.
I remember when the EQS came out, they announced the EQA with a bit more range, stating the car will get a battery with the new more dense chemistry from the EQS. I guess that's why the capacity increased too.
The EQB 250+ that I have is 4kw bigger battery to 70,5 Kw
kWh
15:15 the Wh/kg is getting better each month, so perhaps they are packing the same amount with better chemistry. And if they are packing the same physical amount of batteries it's inevitable that the capacity will rise.
Good video Morten!
*Good video, Morten!
How can you see which motor you have? If you have said it in the Video, I sadly skipped the part :(
Still confused between EQA 250 and BMW iX1 in terms of range, could you provide a comparison and a verdict?
was thinking of yasa motors but it looks like they will be used in 2024/2025 in the mercedes lineup.
nice to see that Mercedes knows where to put the charging port
If they get 16 % more range with a new motor (drive train losses are usually not that big in a EV), just a relatively short time after the model was launched the old motor has to be the worst one they could design
are you sure they design them by themselve? the EQE run on Siemens motors, right?
@@airestocky it's probably from a supplier, since Merc outsources most things to press the last Euro out of the suppliers. If the first version is from Siemens (they should know how to build a motor) it's no good advertising for Siemens. If you can get 16 % more range by switching the drive train the original one is really inefficient
The Motors in the current EQA 350 are from ZF Friedrichshafen
Are you going for 1000km challenge tonight?
ABC = Always Be Confirming stuff 😊
Considering the naked basic EQA starts at 51000€ in Germany... jeez... 😂
just Stop being poor 🤡
Jeez ??! + 59000 € in Portugal !
@@maad1102 seriously? That is madness... but here in CZ cars are also more expensive than in Germany although income is 50%. No lohic to be found...
this shit should cost 30k
Why would anyone buy this one then instead of a tesla!?
Hey Bjorn great video as always 👍🏻 quick question why do you not seem to use eco mode on range tests now or 1000km test? I’m guessing eco mode does not make much difference as long as you are gentle with the throttle when in comfort mode… is this true? 👍🏻
Eco mode AFAIK makes no difference for motorway driving. It affects throttle response not efficiency at constant speed, but it often limits the heater which in Norway temperatures can be lethal.
@@CampGareth I think it makes more of a difference in ICE cars and hybrids for example I have a Toyota Camry hybrid, I arrived at work this morning, no motorway in eco mode all the way and I averaged 70mpg and it’s only 9 degrees in the uk this morning so I think I’ve done pretty well 😊
It varies quite a bit by vehicle, and driving style, and other factors. Check "Citroen e-C4 real world range test, eco mode" video, finding about 25% improvement on same mixed route/driving style vs. normal mode. The Citroen is an exception (along with a handful of others, e.g. Ionic 38 kWh), for most cars, it won't make *as much* difference - IF - you anyway drive gently. Other things being equal, reducing top speed (high aero losses) is the easiest efficiency gain, especially in cold conditions (high air density).
So this test is not EQA 250+?
Could some of the extra range also be down to the fact that the car in this test has less equipment?
No power needed for a cruise control that doesn't exist; same with the bigger sound system and other assistant systems.
Your 90kph number in warm weather normally comes close to WLTP. Odd that they claim 323 miles (for AMG with 18" wheels). At the same time they say its 157 Wh/km which would only give 290 miles with 70.5kWh they say it has! Wonder where the truth lies?
way to go mercedes, good range
I am confused if it’s the 250+ then it has a 70.5 pack. Was there a between version with just an upgrade in the motor?
I disagree on the new music. These tracks are legendary and should be the forever standard for car sound systems!
That charging port location..oh dear.
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Well, its time, that more and more improvements, from eqxx, trickle down, in to production cars. I have high hopes, in the future c-class ev ....
🙏 something to miss this late evening ? Grüße aus Hannover
I bet you miss being a BMW driver and a left lane hugger. 🙂
According to Wikipedia, the latest EQA indeed has slightly bigger battery
Only the 250+ does (70.5 kWh usable). All the other models (250/300/350) still offer 66.5 kWh usable.
@@christianurban yes
Why is EQA250 heavier than a Y dualmotor with a bigger battery? Insane.
That is because the Model Y is cheaper😂
Better insulation. :)
Because they are 5 to 7 years behind in EV technology and especially production
Quality of the materials.
@@hondaslex LOL, quality has nothing to do with weight.
So the cheap Mercedes eqa 250 has a range of (454km) passes in range test the 2021 Tesla model 3 sr+ mic with lfp batteries (408), intresting! Maybe you can test again a new m3 sr+ with all the updates.
If you take the optional extras into account which are not included in the base price (a base Merc is naked with little stuff and barely sellable used) the EQA is more expensive than a Model 3 which has these extras as standard. Merc and other German brands earn their main profits with extras, not with the car itself
The 2021 Model 3 SR+ result you looked at was with old update and only 49.8 kWh net capacity. Look at row 207: 60 kWh LFP done in winter with 56.9 kWh. In summer that should be 56.9 kWh / 118 Wh/km = 482 km
@@bjornnyland Thanks Bjorn i am looking to buy a ev and I am definetely buying model 3 now, one more question, do you believe that tesla will increase the charging in the lfp batteries more than 170 kw or it will have more flat charging curve. Thanks. Also great vids keep it up!!
@@simonm1447 Here in Greece merc starts form 50.000 euros and model 3 at 42.000 so tesla is no brainer, I agree!
@@akisakis665 yeah it's still a lot of money but the Tesla is one size above the EQA and it costs less
Interesting, a 12% improvement in energy consumption by changing the motor. Must have been a lousy motor or were there other factors.
This shows that they are still in early EV devellopment. Lagging behind as a result of 10 years anti ev policy. Now i wait 10 years to consider this brand as my next ev.
Poor man's Merc vs poor man's Bmw 😂 (agree on music sound judgement!)
Those air vents are hideous.
they look like cheap hairdryers
I'm with you on the idea of getting some new music. I can suggest some stuff. 1, My Love's Leavin' by Foreplay. Summer Groove by Tim Bowman, Give "n: Take, by Darren Rahn, Sun's Out by Carol Albert, Friendships by Pascal Letoubion, and The Great Pagoda Of Funn by Donald Fagen. Bonus: Away from the Sun by 3 Doors Down and If Today Was Your Last Day by Nickelback
Nah, the current playlist is legendary and should be the forever standard!
Not possible since the music you list is commercial and copyrighted.
Eqa 250+?
Please test a bZ4X FWD with the 18“ wheels like that. =)
U shud start a electric vehicle camping series make a new channel for it.
If only this car had a bigger battery. Like 77 or even 82. The small battery basically kills this car for me.
I would rather buy a Tesla, which is cheaper and has a way better experience with its much software and efficiency
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Why were they using such a crappy motor/ inverter to begin with?
Yeah I thought the same. Drive train improvements are usually not that big, since these motors are typically already very efficient
500k if i i will go for this.
190 ps? A big mistake! merc, please, electric cars have to have "punch"! I like the car, but please, put a motor in!
And people think teslas are ugly 😬
iX1 is a better car in my opinion
What a dull looking car. Mercedes EVs look like variations on a bar of soap with “bling” interiors that somehow look cheap 🤢
Love your show but please stop say “poor man’s edition”. Sounds unprofessional.
Yes, that language is the language of a poor man's car reviewer. Nonsense.
The humour is the humour of a professional comedian. If he stops the poverty jokes all that we will be left with is the double entendres.
Very basic Merc.
Fat GLA
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