Why A Used Lexus Is Worth WAY More Than a Used BMW
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- Used car prices, reliability, and just a general breakdown of BMW vs Lexus is important when you're heading out to buy a used car today. You have to understand why people right now seem to prefer Lexus vehicles over BMW and why their used car prices tend to be higher than BMWs.
There are a number of reasons, but I'm going to show you why and how this happens today!
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I bought my 2012 Lexus IS 350 in the same week that a friend bought his 2013 BMW M3. My car has a little over 145k miles on it, and his has about the same. My Lexus has never seen the inside of a shop outside of routine maintenance, whereas his M3 is always being worked on. In conclusion, I’ll stick with Lexus. Reliability for the win!
That’s who wins.
but M3 way more fun car to drive. Still for reliable Lexus wins.
@@GuitarsAndSynths only driving you going to get it when you're driving it to the shop
I have a 2011 GS 350, it needed a rear strut :lol:.Other than that it is pretty flawless. Starts and goes. I changed over all the fluids at 100K. The state inspector said to leave it alone, it is normal seepage, but I changed both anyway.
@@GuitarsAndSynths and it’s not. Toy Oo yota!!! lol
As a mechanic I advise my customers quite often not to purchase the BMW’s and that usually comes as a shock from them, but after explaining myself about how both brands differ in quality it’s a no brainer for most.
Some sound advice especially for those on a relatively fixed budget
Honest mechanic
A bmw mechanic?
@@petewick8627
He said as a mechanic! So the man knows what's up when you compare the two cars as far as service, parts, and reliability issues are concerned
I think most buy bmws and can’t afford maintenance then it break down on them. I’m not a mechanic but never took a single bmw to a shop, except for tires and alignment, for 15 years. I work on my cars, bmw can be as reliable as Lexus if you refresh cooling system and fix oil leaks very 80k-100k miles. They are such a joy to drive if your enthusiast. If you want cat with almost no maintenance just get an EV. I’ve had both but I enjoy working on my cars and sound of inline six is a treat.
Why. Lexus/Toyota is just a well made designed engine in many ways. Sad that BMW dropped the ball on many of their MYs. BMW was once a marquee name.
A ridiculous or ignorant comment
Absolutely sad
BMW crappy after a year and fall apart
Break My Weiner
I think if so your research you will find b48/b58 are actually very reliable and it’s why Toyota Supra even uses bmw b48/b58 motors. Toyota is overhyped imo.
The big difference is that in the price range you’re talking about is regular people… like you and me.. we think more about durability less in performance….that’s why I think lexus cost 50% more
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This model Lexus is 2014-2021 is aging incredibly well and looks sporty and stunning, far above comparing BMW 3 design! The V6 is a bit thirsty which is ok and sounds awesome!! Built like a tank, more expensive than BMW 3 with a reason! For me one of the best looking sedans ever!! My friend has exactly the same white is300awd, drives lika dream and truly is a dream to own!
I have a 2013 Lexus GS350 AWD it has 93000 miles on it Maintenance wise nothing ever breaks on it It handles flawlessly We'll keep it forever Lexus knows how to build a vehicle Love it
I still have my 07 is250 with 160k miles that I bought new many years ago. It's now retired as my daily driver but I won't get rid of it!!
Same mate I've got a 2009 220d done 155000 miles only had normal maintenance serviced regularly and kept the egr valve clear once it finally goes I will defo buy another 👍
Does it handles and drives well compare to a bmw? Just curious cus I love a car with good driving dynamics
@@Ogbu10 best car I've driven mate doesn't look as nice as a BMW but more reliable and just as good to drive
I had 4 Bimmers. My E30 318is was the best of them. Never should’ve sold it. My N55 335i(6-speed manual) was really nice but I wasn’t ready to pay those high maintenance costs and sold it 69K miles. Not so lucky with two E46 coupes. Glad you helped with that advice, Mark. I’m jumping on the Lexus bandwagon now 😆!
Is500 ftw or GSF
F30 335i is actually reliable besides oil leaks. Those do cost $$$ but easy to learn to DIY.
@@Areku06 True. I actually had a factory recall for a valve gasket replacement when I brought it in for an oil change by surprise.
BMW n RELIABILITY Are NOT Synonymous
@marks90004 agree looking at a new RX350 in the future for my grocery getter/Home Depot hauler/freeway cruiser. I have an M3 that I have owned and expensive but put new manual 6 speed for weekend fun car.
Lexus is one of the few companies that know how to do a big grille well. Together with Audi, Mercedes, Cadillac and Lincoln. If you get a Lexus with the F sport grille it actually looks really good. Especially the LX.
On the sedans and sports cars I agree... But it looks horrible on the SUV's, especially the larger ones...
@marks90004 Oh no... Don't even get started about those terrible Beaver grills!
@marks90004 And the BMW XM is worst of all in my opinion... I actually don't mind Bangle designs but I get why people despise them...
"Especially the LX"? The grille on that is absolutely horrendous!
I have a Lexus CT ten years old now and an Jag F-Type, my Lexus I’ve only had tyres and regular yearly oil changes. Had lots of Audi’s before and had so many things go wrong with them, I’d also choose Lexus over BMW for reliability.
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I traded my Mercedes E class for a Lexus ES 350 and have never regretted it. The MB was costing me on average $1000/year to maintain, and several issues like tilt steering wheel motor and infotainment control knob I just lived with because of high repair costs. I haven't had a single switchgear problem or anything other than routine maintenance with the Lexus. Service costs and insurance are much cheaper than the MB too.
I'm in the same boat right now. I have a 2017 e class it's beautiful ride but it's not reliable at all. Little things on it that cost me so much. I been looking at lexus more now.
Even with the complex electronics and systems that go into today's cars, Lexus still managed to build trouble free machines. I have 2002 LS430 and it's loaded with technology not seen in 2022 cars. Every single feature still works perfect. Hats off to them.
I've owned 08 E90 M3, 2015 M235i and currently a F80 M3. Performance and options are hands down the best on a BMW. I've also owned a 2009 IS250, 2010 GX460, and now a 2021 IS350 FSport.
The IS350 beats my F80 in ride quality, looks, handling and in my opinion the interior layout is more functional. I do not get sick of looking at the new ISF's hips at all! Love both cars, they are unique in their own way. If I had to choose... IS500 or turbo charge the IS350. The IS350 is lacking HP, but man I can drive that thing nonstop.
Thanks for sharing. Yes each does provide a great experience in their own way, but for long term, one brand will cause let heartache for repairs.
My 2013 ES350 still has under 40k miles on it and looks/drives like new. I imagine I could sell it right now and get good money for it, but honestly it is so reliable and a joy to drive I won't get rid of it (and these days it would cost too much to replace it anyway).
Absolutely go with what you know
I love my 2017 ES350! Just as nice as any BMW or Mercedes I have owned. Also much more reliable and easier on your wallet
My 2014 is350 is about to hit 150k and she still drives like new, I know I can get close to 10k today or more if I decided to sell
LEXUS, Runs Forever
Bullet Proof
@@JasonFlorida yep, my ES350 just hit 30K miles. Bought it new in August 2017 and beside oil change and air filters change, no issue whatsoever. My wife’s 09 RX350 AWD just hit 147K and still run/shifts like butter. Our next car will be the new NX350H and LC500h. I will never buy another German car unless it is a Porsche 911.
Mark the reason Lexus uses a prope hood compared to the BMW with their gas support is because a Lexus hood will not be opened much but the BMW will be open almost all the time so you can work on the motor and trans. Almost all the time 😆
@marks90004 I hear you brother. Lol
Haha. Nice
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I now drive only Lexus because I didn't care for the breaking characteristics of my past BMW'S and E class Mercedes. Yes, breaking is spelled correctly and nothing handles like a BMW but not worth the extra costs to repair and maintain.
Thanks for sharing
Lexus for Life my man! 😂
Very nice
I saw a Brief video, you were saying that some people didn’t like or were dissatisfied with the content of your videos, I enjoy them. I am always watching for more. Thank you for taking the time to make them
Thank you very much
BMW would be up there with Lexus for reliability if they wanted to, all they'd have to do is use better quality components under the hood (less plastic fittings, etc like you said) but a sizable portion of their business model seems to be taking their customers to the cleaners for service and maintenance costs at the dealerships and making the cars more mechanically robust would eat into that revenue stream big time.
You are absolutely right. It’s by design, in my opinion.
True, BMW should design important parts made of metal or alloys to achieve toughness,durability and reliability.
BMW should get rid of their poor quality Plastic suppliers totally that is damaging BMW brand image .
Looks at German cars using lots of crappy plastic parts example water pump and others . These German cars like VW ,Audi uses lots of plastic parts that cracks after short few years of usage without notice . VW and Audi brands reliability image were totally destroyed by their own plastic parts suppliers .
Lexus is still not the prefer choice of most buyers even it says it is reliable but not durable and but definitely not robust.
Lexus always make boring car and remained not the preferred choice of luxury brands buyers . Lexus is struggling with luxury brand image till today since the brand started in 1980. Lexus is just a 40 years history ( short ) brand compare to BMW, Mercedes,Audi ,and Volvo
It will take Lexus another 30 years again before every can accept it as the number one luxury brand provided Lexus still exist in making good reliable and good quality car by then .
Nowadays,Technology rules not good reliability rules.
Toyota technogy is always one step backward most of the time .
Anyone wanted a ten years old technology can buy a Lexus simply because it is very cheap Nowadays irrespective of resale value.
Buy it,Used it and scrap it after that,. .. no problem and nothing to shout about Lexus .
@@konsen6149 You don't want the most cutting edge technology that has not gone through proper testing and vetting from the vendors. Also you can't have the latest bleeding edge tech. That would be top secret military tech. I agree that durability is by design. Lexus and Mercedes are both the most aerodynamic and sleek cars as well as ample luxury and power. Most manufacturers know the customers and market better than any of us. They spend millions studying market wants and their competition. Manufacturers know that they don't and can't do absolutely everything.
@@jamesmedina2062 what you are saying definitely not Lexus
In this part of the world, we do not buy or praise Lexus at all. Most prefer Mercedes, Volvo ,BMW to be precise.
Lexus is only praise by Americans only simply Americans can produce a true luxury car or what ?
But one thing for American brands from GM, Ford and even Sellantis can produce tougher and stronger than any Toyota or Lexus , do you agree
Japanese is selling on reliability but not on durability,toughness , strong body and robustness .
This part of the world knows very well that why Lexus sales are always very very low even to the extend of not profitable at all.
@@konsen6149 A car is just a machine like a watch and everyone likes a different watch but they all work. You get what you like and what you can get repaired. There really is no wrong answer. As I said: no car does everything. One person thinks Lexus is perfect for them and another thinks BMW. If a person has lots of money it changes things dramatically as well from both sales price and service. When anyone makes an argument he needs to use evidence. Argument skills have gone down together with literary skills. The only persuasive argument is in the first person. What did a vehicle do for you and what did it not do?
BMW is the car you buy with your heart, while Lexus you buy with your head.
For sure
I had a 1996 BMW 328ic which is the 2Door convertible. I had it for 12 years and put 92k miles. The only problem that I had was the plastic window in the soft top started to crack a tiny bit towards the seems and that’s it. All regular maintenance was done. Loved the car nothing drives like a Bimmer. I think the reliability relies on the owner. People buy these but they are too cheap to pay for the maintenance and when they sell it the new owner gives it a bad rep for falling apart because it wasn’t properly maintained.
From what ive heard bmw in the 90s was a very different car from the recent current bmws in terms of problems because of the huge jump in complexity of the build and technology and more use of cheaply made plastic materials under the hood.
@@Kris-xs7kc You are 100% correct, BMW started making too many parts on the engine out of plastic.
The valve covers of e92 on are made of plastic and they want $700 for it. Screw that.
You just had a BMW that was built in the right era...
It's all about perception. In US, Lexus is seen as this super reliable brand vs the supposedly unreliable BMW. In Europe though, the BMW has better resale value because the perception about the two brands is quite different. Mercedes is probably the most extreme example of how perception can affect resale value. It has the best resale value in Europe and the worst resale value in US.
But it is not just perception. German cars with high torque just tend to fail.
Primary ROI - Planned obsolesce(made to FAIL) VS Kaizen (Continuous improvement), everything else is secondary. If is really true that "emotions destroy cheques" the answer is obvious "Reliability trumps wealth" then the answer is clear why Lexus restore their value more than BM over time. Great Vid Mark, as Always......
Great points 100 percent applicable
“A car is not judged for the first 100k. It is after 100k miles where the comparison starts.”
By me.
True
I'll take reliability over money pits all day every day.
Lexus over German cars period.
Especially if German cars are used for over 150.000 miles.
@marks90004I'll be ready
@marks90004 That argument will wear out quickly. Let's see when plastic parts breaking costs hundreds of dollars and YES all that technological gizmos are not working then they have to spend thousands of dollars. Watch how quickly they'll trade that car in that BMW fanboys said that I couldn't afford.
A big problem with German cars is that their owners don't maintain the car and then future owners have to pay for the neglect... If you maintain the BMW properly, then it will last forever...
@@MartinJones123 we can agree that most men and women buy/finance German cars for prestige, True or false?
@@Supreme-sx6tu True, though they're also people who have $2,000 and can barely afford a BMW... Though there are also car enthusiasts who buy them for the driving experience that a Lexus just won't satisfy as well....
Worked for Gm in the Tool/Die side for close to 30 years... Had exposure to our Japanese friends in some of my company travels... ...You mentioned ... "If it aint broke dont fix it"... was handled a little different... "If it aint broke, make it better" ....
BMW during the E46 generation is when they started to use plastic fittings on the end of the rubber hoses instead of a normal rubber hose with a nice sold metal clamp that last many years and rarely don’t break down as fast. The last time BMW used normal cooling hoses with metal clamps on them was back in the E36 generation.
And I also owned 2 e36 cars and they were fairly simple cars. The. It all went to hell in a hand basket.
You could just replace the plastic fittings in the cooling system and then you have a reliable car... Previous BMW'S also had cooling system problems as well...
Both awesome companies on their own right.. most bmw guys know what comes with owning one.. I purchased a Lexus rc 350 f sport.. in my opinion the styling is the best of its segment by along shot.. also I hardly ever see others I do however see 20 3 series bmw just in a morning ride just food for thought
Absokutely true
Your next car should be the LC500, you will be even more amazed.
Great video! I think another reason not often cited is actually the customer. BMWs are more than 3/4th rented, not owned. Lexus attracts around half buyers/half renters. Nobody wants to purchase a used rental because those cars are more likely to be abused. Most leased brands:
1. BMW (77% Leased)
Lease Finance Cash
77% 10% 13%
10. Lexus (55% Leased)
Lease Finance Cash
55% 15% 30%
Good video. Lexus's resale value is solid. Can't go wrong with them.
My 2016 Lexus NX with over 150,000km and an accident claim recently got an offer from a mainstream dealer for $27,000. Current Inflation does play a role but $27,000 is incredible.
Wow, that’s solid
Lexus have a high theft rate in my area. My BMWs yes have had some maintenance issues but well worth it overall.
2006 e61 n52 345k km still pulls hard
2016 f34 n55 msport 77k km
Cheers
Lexus has high theft rare everywhere in North America because they are always high on demand.
Reliability is the #1 reason people buy new cars,who wants a new car thats gonna give you problems even if it has a warranty, its better not to need a warranty cause the car doesn't give you issues.......
That’s true, but you would be surprised
after owning a few bmw's, i am one hundred percent convinced that they built them to break down on purpose so that you either pay the dealer a hefty price tag to fix it or that you are forced to buy another one. they know the majority of their customers are brainwashed by the brand so they do this to make as much profit as possible.
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Same! I swear some items are on a timer to fail right after the warranty expires!
Spot on. My 120i is the worst car I ever had, I switched my a lexus and I'll never go back
I’ve owned over 60 cars but was a Jaguar guy for years. I still have a Jag but my daily cat is Lexus IS300 H. Never the slightest issue but my dear old Jag which I bought whilst still under warranty..never less than $1000 per service.
We are now a Toyota./ Lexus family. The reliability is astonishing
This gentleman knows cars & he delivers the information about them very well! 🙂
Thank you so very much.
I have had a BMW 750IL and it was great but only had it for a short time with the only problem being a burst radiator hose. Not really a BMW issue as hoses age and break in any car. I just purchased an old 2007 SC430 Lexus and so far happy days. The 4.3 V8 normally aspirated engine is so smooth you would think it was an electric motor. The LC500 is next level above all cars and will be a future classic like no other. Lexus reliability and quality will always win in the end. Great review, well done.
Long term ownership usually exposes big expenses
My 220d lexus is 13 years old got 155000 miles on the clock not had any problems with it apart from the normal ware once it's finally done I will defo buy another
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Dude, Lexus IS worth the extra money. You will spend that 50% discount savings in the BMW within 3-4 years of ownership on the used BMW and it could be 2-3 years. I love my ES350 J Vin. PTFU
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Although... paying 50% more upfront on a 20k car will do for quite a few trips to the mechanic...
I understand if it was a couple of grand extra but 10 grand does not make sense just for the reliability concern.
You likely never spend 10 grand of repair on a used 3 series on 4-5 years of ownership.
I agree with your conclusion but I wonder, especially considering your own personal experience with the BMW brand, if perhaps ownership frustration has something to do with it; that someone selling a BMW is so frustrated with putting so much money into repairs, they're willing to take a loss just to get rid of it.
I have a 2002 Lexus IS300 with 300kms, about as old as myself. It has had no major issues, and the engine is in tip top condition. You cannot beat the 2jz line of engines.
After reading the comments, I guess the target audience for Lexus is the uninformed buyer who is relying on quality ratings from 10-20 years ago. Back then I would’ve gotten a Lexus, but in 2024 you’re paying a 40% premium for the badge that you could buy on Amazon for 5$. They’re so expensive that even if someone “thinks” they’re better quality, you’re spending so much more for less that you would be able to fix the bmw or Audi with the left over money you saved not buying the Lexus and still have money left over. Truth is if they tried to build a car as complex as BMW, their results would be embarrassing. It’s apples to oranges.
I think f30 bmw later models 2014-16 with N55 or B58 are the most reliable bmws in recent years. They are bargain for what you get, the key is find one that was well maintained. I think there is reason why 335i/340i worth so much more than 328i, n55/b58 far more reliable than n20. Because 335i is more reliable than 328i. 2014-15 335i m sport worth $22-29k vs $22-32k 2014-15 Lexus is350, all 50-80k miles. 328i bmw of the same year is significantly less because early models had issues with timing belt, which was fixed free under warranty. In California it’s good for 10yr/150k miles. I think newer generation bmws with inline six are holding their value better. I’ve seen late model n55 with over 250k miles still running fine. BMW knows how to make a good in-line six so I only stick to those.
The b58 is certainly the most dependable in recent years and is the safest bet for durability
BWM, an automotive status symbol that tells everyone you can afford to buy a (albeit) used BMW but can also give the illusion that the owner can afford to maintain and repair it. German engineering has no inherent pride any longer, while our friends at Toyota do.
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Yet used Lexus/Toyotas sell for pennies in Europe.
Nah BMW is not the status symbol anymore, it seems like the Teslas is the new hip things. Not a Tesla fan but people are just crazy about their Teslas.
bro i just wanted a fun sporty rwd car
I have a BMW 535xi 2009 with 185k miles, drive it since 2017, I have no issues except the el. Water pump which i replaced in 2017! It all depends on how owners take care of their cars, and of course it also depends on how they drive, so don't look for evidence to show that BMW isn't a good car, i know that everyone is enjoying driving it.
Maintenance is certainly very important and can set the tone on reliability, to a point.
What a great video! Thanks again! Lexus IS and Acura TLX are my 2 top choices for reliability. Still struggling to choose one between both 😆
Great
Got to this video by curiosity, was looking why 10 year old Lexus LX cost 50-100% more than competitors. I cannot simply justify the price difference just by reliability. Yes, all cars have their flaws. I used to have 325i e90 manual, had it for almost 14 years, I did all maintenance and repairs myself (I’m an accountant by profession), I had to buy tools for each job I performed on a car ( the cheapest way for diy) I had to replace oil filter housing gasket, valve cover gasket, water pump, windshield fluid tank, oil pan gasket, engine mounts, front and rear shocks, 3 window regulators, reupholstered headliner( the worst job ever lol), passenger side door inside weather strips due to leaks, starter. Luckily I always had another car Honda Civic while owning bmw. During the 14 years owning civic I replaced cylinder cover gasket and CV boot. While the Civic was the most reliable car, all my good memories go for BMW. I really enjoyed the experience owning bmw, the skill set I gained worth much more than 50% markup for Lexus. However, I agree, if a person needs only one car in their life, and does not want to learn how to work on a car, hands down, you must go for Honda or Toyota. In my case, I will always have both bmw or Audi and Japanese brand, just because there is no automakers that were able to figure out how to put all components together in one car that are matters to me ( reliability, fun to drive, fuel efficient within 55 mpg, big SUV, luxury, and the price that does not cost a half of the 2/2 condo).
Those are all very valid points and everyone has their own risk tolerance which we can accept a few issues along the way. Some people it’s a big deal and others not so much. There are honestly many cars out there that lose a ton more value after 5 years but may be qualitatively 95 percent as reliable
BMW beats Lexus in styling, handling, performance and maintenance costs. Some BMW engines are very needy and can break the bank.
Lexus beats BMW on quality and low cost to own overall. Financially Lexus is the better value.
You are absolutely right
I agree but styling is subjective
Bmws made beautiful cars in the 70s to 90s.. I doubt anyone would call the newer ones in the last 20 years beautiful.. Doesn't go hand in hand.. I find the more modern lexus more pleasing to the eye personality
@@jamesheaney8258 i agree. Bimmers now have larger weird kidney grills and the 2 series looks like an audi. Lexus is on the right path now. Just dont over do the predator look lol
I agree with most of what you said but maintenance costs are definitely lower on a Lexus and styling is based on opinions. I personally love the styling on Lexus vehicles.
So true. I think not only BMW but all German car brands splash big cash on presentation of their new car models- drag races,quarter mile races and so on. That’s what nowadays buyers want to see. I also think people are mostly buying German cars for the badge and prestige (even though some are buying them for that extra either technology,speed or luxury . Either way- German car brands depreciate a lot while Lexus doesn’t .
True, that is the bottom line
Very very informative information video thanks so very much 👍 keep it up man
Thank you very much Brad
One way of looking at it is: a used BMW will cost less than a used Lexus, but with the difference in savings you can use the money on any unforeseen repairs that might or might not happen shortly after purchase and if it comes out to the same amount or a little more than what a used Lexus cost, well at least you’re riding in a much better handling vehicle and a great driving experience 😎
Well…..
Owned a 2008 Lexus IS250 AWD for 11 years and got it up to 280K miles. Boring car, slow, but I’ve NEVER had to replace anything relating to the power train or suspension during the 11 years. Unfortunately, I crashed it during a winter storm. Bought a BMW 550 3 years ago with 43K miles, love the power (450HP). Already had to replace the high pressure fuel pump (warranty), ignition coils (myself, shop quoted $2800). Kind of afraid to keep it any longer as it’s flirting with 100K miles soon.
Cheers
Sell the BMW money pit and get yourself an IS500, you can thank me later :)
I only do Lexus since 2003 for comfort and reliability Lexus and Toyota are miles apart from their German rivals. Lexus all day long.
My 2006 is 250 with 258K miles on it, still runs great. My friends 2015 3 Series just dumped a transmission at 70K and it leaks oil.
The answer is simple. reliability and cost of parts. Lexus all day
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I have a Lexus is250 installed my oil catch can and other little mods I LOVE THIS CAR...I run royal purple oil, gonna switch to amsoil after I do a carbon cleaning in the engine recommended by Scotty Killmer
They are still a great little car. Funny thing is the least dependable Lexus IS still more reliable than the most reliable BMw
A year ago I bought a 2014 Lexus IS 350 AWD. It had 37,136 miles on it. It was owned by an older couple who took very good care of it. I just couldn't pass up the deal. 29,751 was the price. I couldn't be more pleased. At first I was considering a supercharged Audi. After doing the research the choice was clear. Lexus. This guy knows what he's talking about. He's 100% correct. Those eurotrash cars have one thing going for them and that's styling. They are very attractive to look at. Just don't keep them after the warranty expires. Great video. I hope people who are considering this kind of purchase watch this.😎👍
Forgot to say, I bought the Lexus from a BMW/Audi dealer...
I would like a BMW but reliability scares me. What about the new electric BMWs? No heat, no oil which seem to be the main issues. Can you please do a video on the electric BMW reliability? I’m thinking of getting an I5. Thx
Lol i guess, Ive never had a problem with my BMWs besides a coolant issue on my E46 (easy and cheap to fix) and nothing bad on my E60
Sounds like a good overall experience
All depends on options. Well optioned BMWs will soar past a well optioned Lexus. But poorly optioned BMWs (which many are) have awful retention.
The thing I do like about bmw is the short overhang in the front
Lexus could loose about a foot if they got rid of the emptiness in the front
Agreed that does give a sportier look
If I was shopping IS350 (or GS 350) vs a comparable 3 or 5 series with the N55 it’s a no brainer and I’d go Lexus. My wife and I own two Toyotas. A 2020 Corolla and a 2017 Highlander we bought new. We just picked up a third vehicle as we have a new driver in the house and it’s an 2013 X5 diesel. There is no comparable Toyota or Lexus For this I know of. Will see how it treats us. But yes, the BMWs are more maintenance heavy for sure. I’ve owned a few, but have yet to be stranded. See if we end up keeping the X5 or if I tire of working on it. Our Highlander is at 100,000km so will need some minor maintenance. My suggestion to people who don’t enjoy working on and tinkering with their vehicles would be to buy a Toyota or Lexus.
I totally agree and for those who love a little DIY , a BMW may be ok. Just know it does need a lot of care as it gets older.
I own a 2005 Corolla S with 165k miles. I am thinking about upgrading to the IS 350 but it's been 2 yrs now and the prices are not coming down to prepandemic. Wish I had bought it then. What year model was the recall on sudden accelation on? I see loads of 2016 IS 300 models always on sale but very low on IS 350. Makes me wonder now if there were recalls on 2016s. Hmm
It’s such an odd time
@@ECPP yeah feels like I'm in a twilight zone and one day we all wake up from this nightmare
BMW: Break My Wallet
Clever. Thought of that yourself?
@@Sergesedd22 No Sir!
For quality design/build using the best components reliability reigns supreme- there is no contest Lexus and of course their Parent Toyota.
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In one word, Reliability.
That’s important. Fun driving is also important too, so it’s finding the right balance
@@ECPP It's seems odd Mark that we cannot have both, maybe a video on that.
I think it's not a secret that you trade reliability for driving performance and technical progress, when chosing the bmw car brand . Sadly the fuel cost of all gasoline and diesel cars will be the reason not to buy one with an ice, at least here in europe. So when they don't switch to electric cars they not of much interest.
EV will be pure boredom and that day will be a sad one when ICE is gone, which I am not so sure it’s possible though
In the UK every man and his dog has a 3 series.. so they don't seem anything special at all.
The lexus are a much less common sight so seem more premium and special. Plus there alot better looking than the BMW in my opinion
That is absolutely true
You are spot-on about more plastic engine (BMW) versus more metal engine (Toyota). And BMWs run at 230 degrees, way above the boiling point of water. Toyotas run 40 degrees cooler.
My BMWs plastic plumbing is shot. So the car is shot. It’s isn’t just lines and hoses, it’s everything, like the intake manifold.
Even the thermostat housing is (now completely disintegrated) plastic. I was fixing my classic broken plastic coolant return line failure that runs above the radiator, it breaks on all BMWs and pumps all of your coolant overboard often catastrophically failing the engine. When I moved the rubberish feed hose from the thin plastic engine failure initiator, it sloughed the plastic nipple off the plastic thermostat housing. Since my 2011 is worth about $2500 (in perfect cosmetic shape, even in todays market) after a $46,000 purchase price plus over $60,000 in repair work, I fixed the thermostat housing by wrapping it with high temp JB Weld reinforced with several yards of epoxy infused sewing thread.
That might sound sketchy, but it’s 100x stronger, now.
You are so right and because these cars become worthless in about 5-7 years, I say so what you have to do to keep it going, if it means keeping dollars in your pocket and out of the Vaseline layered mits at the dealer.
Life is too short to drive boring cars
Exactly
Lexus definitely, no contest for reliability, dependability & less headaches. Its fun but boring because nothing ever goes wrong. It's what cars should be.
Simple really; BMWs are shit boxes. Designed literally to fall apart. Lexus builds cars to last; and they have an overall quality feel about them which is quite noticeable
cheers
Lol
BMWs may be competitive to Lexus performance wise, but no comparison in used car reliability.
Exactly
Lexus stopped making exciting cars and is no longer in the conversation with other premium brands….however BMW is always innovating. I’ve owned 3 series and 4 series and drove 5, 7 and 8 series and have always gotten compliments. When have you complimented a Lexus driver? But we always notice the BMW driver. Lexus make good cars …however Once you drive a BMW you will not want a Lexus.
@Jay Brown I can't agree with you on that. I been in the auto industry for alot of years and drove all the brands. I can honestly say Lexus vehicles just feel like quality, their engines are so smooth and quiet with a pampering ride. After I drove a old LS430 and a 2015 ES350 a couple of years ago I feel in love with Lexus. As far as compliments I get them all the time for my GS and my friend just got a LS500 F Sport. Everywhere he goes people are asking about the car and saying how sexy it is! The LC500 is another model that is a very beautiful vehicle.
Yeah until bmw high coat maintenance monster hits you
German engineering is definitely tuned in. Designed to fail the day after coming out of warranty :) that's when the electrical gremlins wake up and your BMW begins to cry (leak).
Yes it is, lol
BMW will never be in the same class as Lexus set the new standard
My last BMW 2017 M340ix leaked air in all the doors and only a 13 gallon gas tank which is not a good combination with a Inline 6
BMW is poorly designed
So I got a Lexus RX350 and no regrets and wished I switched years ago
I also love the new IS350. Great car.
There is something wrong with that front on the Lexus, similar to latest BMW fronts. Silly designers.
Agreed
Gotta say that beside the reliability, the IS looks so much nicer than the BMW's
I think they also look great. The grill some can take or leave but the car as a whole looks great.
Lexus over BMW any day. BMW = Broke my wallet over 50k miles and/or 5 years old. Yes you’re spot on
I owned a 2013 ES350 from 2018 to 20. Put 12k miles on it. Did not have one issue.
Prior to that I had a 2013 X5 worst car ever. Within 8 months I sunk nearly 3k into it for front suspension, leaking rear diff, frozen door lock. Couldn’t even sell it privately.
I sold my ES350 for financial reasons and Since April 2021 I’m a proud owner of 2002 ES300 now with 169k miles. New struts and it drives like it came off the showroom floor. Not one creak or rattle. Everything still works like day one. Reliability is amazing and durability
Thanks so much for sharing. Yes that’s the bottom line.
I love Lexus design out of all cars designed.😊😍
Cheers
BMWs are a ticking time bomb that usually goes off after the warranty expires.
Agreed
Fixing whats not broken is the theme today and it encompasses beyond the auto world. Commendations to lexus for their logical reasoning. That six plus years old bimmer just screams open money pit.
You are absolutely right
Lexus had a touch screen in 2001 like in my friends LS430 BMW did not
Thanks
Bmers are for people worried about image lexus owners love reliability
Thanks
Is it smart to buy a used 2015 BMW X6 with 70k miles?
Not really but only if it’s the 6 cylinder and has good service history
@@ECPP Yea it’s has 6 cylinders serviced every year but it has 5 owners and it’s from ON?
Try buying a 21 year old BMW 3 series versus a 21 year old Lexus IS200 and see if a comparison is needed, Buying a new BMW is like having a girlfriend that you will never marry it was good while it lasted and the relationship is terminated due to non compatibility. Buying a Lexus is like meeting your soul mate and growing old with her have many grandchildren the end.
Who is buying a 21 year old sports car ..period.. stupid comment.
This video I liked it a lot ,keep up the great work. WOW very interesting 1st class very kool great info.,, AAAAAAAAAAA++++++++++++ again great
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As much as I like the Lexus why the hell haven't they ever built a Station Wagon! That's where BMW have them.
Yes they do SUV's but they still miss out the ease of loading as far as I can see however, you might know different...I'm all ears...
That’s a great question David, but I believe the Europeans took the concept and ran with it. Look at Audi Avante cars or the Benz E class wagon s or BMWs, or VW etc. not so much in other parts of the globe.
The reason people like Benz & BMW is the designs... You get a Coupe from BMW or Benz it usually has a long hood & RWD platform...
People in the US don’t like station wagons. We love those bloated SUVs.
@@jml9550 SUV's are getting boring... They think everyone has a bunch of kids
@@SalsHQ I agree with you. But clearly Marketing did their job. Pushing this idea of an active lifestyle transportation too, a slightly taller and bloated car at a premium over sedan.
I’ve had 3 BMWs and 1 Mazda and while the BMWs were more fun to drive I have much more luxury features for less money in the Mazda, I never worry about it breaking down, it just works. No weird warning lights or fault codes.
BMWs are great to drive while Mazdas are great to own in my experience. Also own an MX-5 -91 so I can still get my dose of fun
Sounds like the best case for sure
German cars a great for visceral experiences, speed, handling and chace, regret is just as visceral when it breaks.
Look at that old boring Lexus...How dare the Lexus have the nerves to be all reliable, relatively inexpensive to maintain compared to the "Ultimate Driving Machine", and longlasting.
Haha, nice
Actually used BMW cost more than a used lexus, you just pay 50% of the money to the prev owner today and the other 50% to the mechanic next week
Haha, nice
While BMW focuses on "breaking my wallet" with innovation, Lexus' focus is on "kaizen" which is continuous improvement to make what has already been done better.
By the way I think the LC500 beats the F-Type in terms of looks.
Thanks for sharing and intensionally trying to improve reliability seems to make sense but not a priority for some brands
I’m a fan of BMW, but the LC 500 is one of my top 5 favorite cars. To put that in perspective, the current Porsche 911 Turbo S is my favorite car. That’s how dope I think that car is
In terms of looks the LC500 doesn't beat the F-type, it's just more futuristic looking whereas the British is more classy in a timeless way.
@@asabhcir3636 good taste, my next car will be the LC500h when my son takes my ES350. When retirement hits at 60in about 10 years, first thing I will do is hit the Porsche dealer and buy a Porsche 911.
I had a two lemon Audis I’d never even think of getting a bmw errrrrrr I own a Lexus GS mk4 now and love it.
2014 535i xDrive BMW in the shop.
4k worth of work needed
DME
Eccentric Shaft
Valvetronic Servomotor
Trust me when I say this, it’s no longer worth owning these BMWs. The fun factor wears off when it lives in a shop and Wallet…
Absolutely agree
If I don’t enjoy my car, I don’t like it. My BMWs have always been very enjoyable, even after expensive maintenance/repair trips. The Lexus is just too boring for me 🥱😴
That’s fair as long as it strikes the balance.
Japanese vehicles are generally more reliable, with less built in obsolescence, and I'm of Germanic heritage.
Cheers
At this point I just enjoy watching A BMW fan boy loving the brand to talking trash
Thanks for watching
I would like to know how good is the Honda CR-V?
Believe it or not, in my country used BMW worth more than Used Lexus!
Odd, not here
Wow, I wish it was like that in my state. Lexus vehicles seem to be going up in value every month.
Because its owned by very rich people and the labor is cheap.
@@imranmann3260 Good point, also I think that we don’t have leasing here.
I thought about getting used bmw but with all the horror stories of the high maintenance cost scares me.
In warranty is ok, after that either learn to wrench or have big bucks available for repairs.
Avoid. I’ve owned 3, thinking one will be better than the next. They are lease machines and that is it.
why? because is oil leaking everywhere if you service its turbo system then you can tell much more. Cheers!
Thanks