It’s funny how much more compelling a lot of the Sith that valued the empire over personal gain are than a lot of Sith that do the opposite. Like Darth Marr and Lana Beniko are some of the old republic’s standout characters, entirely because there’s more to them than being selfish jerks
The eternal empire was such a cool storyline. A third faction that beat the hell outta the sith and republic and made sure they pay tributes. The alliance pulled off a coalition of rebels before the rebel alliance was a thing.
Geetsly’s didn’t mention this, but Vitiate was actually born in the Marka Ragnos era on the planet Medriaas (which he later renamed to Nathema). Ragnos actually gave him the name Vitiate. He also randomly discovered the Eternal Fleet and had been building up that empire at the same time he was building the True Sith Empire.
And not to also mention that the original Valkorian was previously one of ancient Zakuul's greatest warriors before he was taken over by Vitiate, who then assumed Valkorian's identity to unite the people of Zakuul to form the Eternal Empire.
@@sev3060 Actually that could've actually happened had the Outlander pledged themselves to Valkorian. But Light Side choices tend to be the more "canon" picks than Dark Side choices so you're still correct.
@@sev3060true man. Arcann never would have the Power to strike valkorion down. The only one ever who always was powerful enough to defeat him was hero of tython/outlander, so it would only be logical that the outlander Deals the killing Blow to valkorion.
@@dsfkghthere’s not really a place, but from what I understand it was supposed to be a much longer saga on Iokath where you learn more about their culture, and the weapons. Also helping Zakuul integrate into the galaxy, and actually getting to use the Eternal Fleet
Please do a chapter on the lost tribe of the Sith and their interactions with Luke and Abaloth🥲I don’t really hear anyone talk about them they’re really cool and their culture is unique from the other Sith
I know the whole point of the Sith is to be selfish and greedy, but the idea of Marr and the others mellowing out and choosing to live peacefully with the Jedi and Republic... i dunno, it hits different, like a broken family finally deciding to exist and not try to kill itself
Nowadays, I see the whole Sith and Jedi as a broken family too. The Je'daii Order split in two and ever since, its followers attuned to the light while in the 2nd Great Schism, the Dark Jedi attuned the dark. That's truly the way to end these wars. The Sith and Jedi must once again make peace.
Tbh I agree. Marr and Lana are such cool characters, but Darth Bane sums it up really well. To be Sith is to be self serving, and gain power by any means necessary. Putting others, heck a whole empire, before yourself is fundamentally not Sith.
I really wish we could've gotten a novel or comic series set within the zakuul empire. Just from the storyline and the in-game encyclopedias you can tell they have some really interesting lore and the swtor team put time into their world building. The Scions, the nathema zealots, the knights, etc. Even their society
"Thexan was killed and he never quite forgave his father..." Bruh, understating a bit much? Arcan hit a breaking point after Valkorian dismissed them after a long and bitter campaign. One where Arcan lost his arm and had half his face disfigured. Arcan struck out at Valkorian, and Thexan used the force to pull his brother back slightly, and in a dark side fueled rage, he killed Thexan. He hates Valkorian for pushing him that far, and himself for being mentally weak enough to snap like that.
Yes and He hates himself because He knows He is just his fathers puppet and that He cannot resist his influence even if He tries to fight against it. Thats why He was redeemed because He saw that He could only defeat his father and break valkorions hold over him if He allows his mother to help him resist darkness. Only after being redeemed is He truely free to fight valkorion, as a dark sidee He was just controlled by valkorions Manipulation and He was split between light and dark similar to revan, who also thought He was fighting against the emperor but was a puppet as well.
Who else think that the Sith Empire that became more Empire than the Sith deserved to be allowed to continue? After all, I believed that the galaxy is too big for the Galactic Republic alone to rule and having another multinational and multicultural galactic superpower to control roughly a half of the galaxy will be a good option.
It is a great irony to me that the best political system for the sith is ideal democracy. Many ideas clashing until one proves superior and rises to the top, being accepted by former opponents.
id like to mention how the eternal fleet used the fact that we live in a world of 3 dimention effectively using geometrical formations spread across and entire area to ensure optimal firing lines for the entire fleet as far as im aware they are the only fleet in the star wars universe that remembers this fact and uses it in its enitrety
I 100% believe that the eternal emperor is still alive, like the guy is really stubborn and will get your body regardless if he gets consent or not hahah.😹
dont forget that his original body didnt die 2:20 - he kept it hidden and used others as vessels for his mind, a failsafe if u will - if a body would prove to have too strong a mind to possess, he wouldnt be forced into the Void since he had a place to return to - his original body. quite unlike Palpatine who millenia later, after his original body grew old and was eventually killed at Endor, was forced to use fast grown clones of himself as blank slates to easily imprint his mind on - but ofc clones are no match to normal body so his power ravaged them, making them wither and grow old extra fast, forcing Palpatine to keep changing clone bodies while Vitiate could use his vessels for centuries on end.
Yeah, the New Sith Wars are pretty sick, but I still wonder if the Reconsituted Sith Empire still had remnants somewhere in the unknown regions or if it's ideology somewhat still had influence over the sith
@@theoneguest1the galaxy is so large that I imagine there are probably a few planets that have insular sith remnants, much like korriban before the dark jedi.
Yeah, our fellows, the Multiversal Defense High Command, deems them a shallow threat due to their all-but-name status as an Infinities universe threat. Pity, though, since the more legitimate records on the war against the far more awesome and properly nuanced True Sith fought by Revan and the Jedi Exile are all classified information for the time being, although we got confirmation that notable battlefields might have included Mandalore, Coruscant, Rodia, and Taloraan.
Oh, I thought we were moving on to Bane's stuff, after talking about the Brother Hood in last week. Looks like we still have one more week or so of this series left. Hey, I don't mind it's still great Star Wars stuff.
Alas, had to skip this and just left a like. The TOR MMO just gives me... uuuuuuuuggggggghhhhhhh. The KotOR III we never have gotten is still the true Legends (and maybe even Disney Alt-universe) canonical endgame, even if it means treating it like what happened between Monkey Island 2 and The Curse of Monkey Island and whatever the heck happened on the DC Animated Universe's Near-Apocalypse of '09.
@@zexalbrony4799 The content from this video is from the The Old Republic massively multiplayer online RPG, which I have... words and opinions that I really shouldn't spout too much in the web. In other words, I don't count it as part of any official mainline SW canon due to many flaws and contradictioms, alongside some behind-the-scenes bullkriff like it being mostly responsible for the then-and-now state of themostly redeemed shitestorm that is poor Mass Effect 3. And I really hope you understood the two other references I brought upon.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Oh so it's basically the Sequels to you. Since for me, I don't consider the Ssequals canon to the timeline. I can get that. Not really, I understood something about the DC Animated Universe in 2009, but that's it.
@@zexalbrony4799 Hmm, more like how people treat the Superman movies post-II (preferably the Richard Donner Cut) and those Joel Schumacher Batman films, in my take. Can understand why the classic LucasArts puzzle adventures can be lost on you, I admit. Still, will recommend them, if you want.
Did Valkorian have his family prior to being taken over by Vitiate? Or did Vitiate want to experience love, a wife, and children via his influence by Revan, when Revan was held captive for three centuries, and the two were Force-linked?
Vitiate is as bad as Sidious when it comes to refusing to die and having several re-spawns as it were as well as backup plans and empires to ensure that he reigns for ever. Though of course it was his abandonment of the sith empire. invasions of the eternal empire and his attempts to live forever, that eventually doomed and put the Sith empire on its road to diasaster and destruction.
I love how Geetsly's has no qualms taking down on Vitiate and how he's just a more powerful Darth Sidious knockoff like a fanfic insert. This has been a running theme from this channel for years.
@@ericpaunovic3579 how man? Vitiate is palpatine but much better written. Of the writers had not messed him up in kotfe, He could have been an OP dark side villain with no flaws and arcann could have been a second and better vader than just another kylo ren whiney boy
@@1qplayer626 if we're talking about story wise then vitiate is much much older than palpatine, but even outside the story if we put thetypical evil powerful sith stuff aside they're not all that similiar if im being honest, vitiate has much better story and history and arguably better powers, vitiate was three people at same time and he ruled much more for much longer time and more successfully, he even did some good in his time for example he saved purebloods from extinction at hands of republic, then they survived in space then he found DK then he made zakuul into basically a paradise, hes not a good person by any margin of course but im saying that at least in form of tenebrae he did some good which i can't really say same for palps in fact i've even heard palpatine was supposed to be actual psychopath (altough im not sure is this actually established in actual lore), TOR and Canon SW era are generally different as are their factions including sith and the jedi i was never a big fan of comparsions between the two honestly.
Revamp on Revan for Disney to bring a R rated big screen experience for goodness sake . 30 days and nights in cinema whilst streaming for D Plus homes . Not too mention the currency exchange of our galaxy that Disney would earn from all of us . Make it a mission to get mega corporation Disney to make it happen. After all, John Wick made money. Food for thought. Anyhow, most importantly, stay free.
@@kianvandenberg6364 But then the Alliance cant join the Republic, as it can also join the Empire with Acina staying Empress and Chancellor Saresh being publicly executed
I think the Hero of Tython/Outlander-Lightside is canonical. Given how the plot unfolds, it makes more sense. There are subtle hints if you pay attention. For example, Lana Beniko is very open to joining the Republic in the sake of peace/stability, while Theron Shan doesn't feel the same way at all about joining the Empire. The Sith's constant flux of leaders and paradigm shifts also greatly weakens their ability to maintain a stable front against the Republic. Darth Jadus breaks off to form his own splinter faction. Then Malgus with the stealth armada. Then Vitiate has to be put down and Imperial Intelligence was disbanded, and because their successor (Sith Intelligence) was based on Ziost.... You can imagine what happened to them when Vitiate destroyed the planet. I could keep going but you get the idea. While the Jedi and the Republic face their share of setbacks, the Empire and Sith suffer from major losses and destructive infighting that simply can't realistically last. Which is why the Sith are the ones who basically vanish from the timeline following this era up until Darth Ruin, over 1000 years later
As an ideology, Sithness (Sithism?) Is sterile. Its war of each against all precludes stability. Which why the Brotherhood of Darkness and Palpatine eschewed its core principle; obviously in radically different ways. The BoD went for egalitarianism. Plagueis & Sidious went with autocracy. Either way discarded Sith individualism.
I really wasn't a fan of this game. I wish we got KOTOR 3 instead. This game took what KOTOR 2 set up and just boiled it down to yet another era with an evil Empire that functioned almost exactly like the one seen in the OT. I was hoping to see something more akin to what was presented in the Tales of the Jedi comics, but with a more established presence and better technology. They just look too much like the typical Empire for a game set long before the movies. KOTOR 1 did the same, but at least they were presented to be a more competent threat, and the technology was stylized better to look different from the more modern eras. This game just felt like it was made to appeal to OT fans while disregarding the interesting universe that was built up through TOTJ, KOTOR, and KOTOR 2. I also just didn't like it being a subscription based MMO.
Not so fast. Because there isn't a rule of two, the lost tribe can't really by discounted n they had rulers throughout that periode. So while we don't know them by name it's at least more likely than not that some dark lords existed constantly. I also am wondering if kotor and swotor even are to b concidered part of the eu's "a cannon", as far the games go. They provided certainly much source material for successive books n comics but also have some massive elements that r hardly to not at all compatable with the base structure n circumstances that are unavoidable facts within the rules, that are in play in the sw universe in the main - as well the eu's a cannon. 4 example it should b impossible that darth marr could live on as a force ghost, at least as far as we know he never turned to the light. So not only does the main cannon rule it out with qui go having been the first who learned that technique, but also it is colliding with the sith's and dark side practicioners in general - inability to learn it. Another huge one is the fact that ziost in the eu is far from being a dead ball of rock. Even if the time till 41 aby would've been enough to regenerate, there would still b some remaining life necessary from which such regroth can happen, but viciad drained the planet completely according to the story of the games. Malacor5 also is such a weird thing. If we believe the game's visually telling of the planet's end, it was just exactly that. We were shown how it was totally destroyed and broke into bits. So even within the game therer r locations for it to take place, which were shown to b destroyed in the same game. Luckily kotor2 never was a fully develloped story n has not really much influence on eu's a cannon anyway, but kotor n swotor were source for much printmaterial that was way more included into eu's a cannon works. Oh, nearly forgotten about one... Massassi, were actually described to be green in the books, but they were made red in comics so i won't blame the game for that. Not sure which meium was first, if the comic, than that could b an error in the book ( n would also make sense given their biologic heiritage of purebloods), but i doubt it. It also could just be a later redirection. The green describtion described the also only as ancient species who build the temples. It was said that they were enslaved by the sith who came there, like if they were native to yavin 4. All the ancient sith lore that was in the connected comics, was only minimally part in the book. I think even the part of how n who of the sith got to yavin 4, actually was created later than the fact that exar kun haunted the ruins n was the one who enslaved the Massassi to build his temple. I think that neither nagar sadow nor magnar ragnos' envolvement in exar kuhns fall, nor sadow's getaway to yavin, including the massassi fighters he brought, were part of the novels, or if so - only durintg later parts.
@@shaydowsith348 get 'em mixed up somtimes - not my mainlanguage. Doesn't bother me much. I'm certain that keeps no one from understanding what's meant, who reads it to know what's said about the subject matter instead only to desperately search for a single typo that can b rubbed under my nose, while adding nothing to the conversation. But hey, such pointless bs is as old as the yt comment section itself. So i hope u got off on it well enough n envy u 4 being so easily to please ;)
The cannon event of swtor suck, rejoin the republic? like the whole game is not base on the jedi knight enough, I wish the commander could regain their power and invading the pub and emp for the final battle.
It is pronounced Shan (rhymes with Han as in Han Solo). Please. Play the game so you can hear how to properly Say the names of these characters. Lana Beh-NEEK-Oh.
Deduction - you skim-read the Wookieepaedia and tried to make it all out. Can't happen that way, mate. Inform yourself better. You can't simply begin talking about anything you pick without proper preparation.
Bruh you sound like you just read a summary of the SWTOR games... the Eternal Alliance didn't perish at Iokath, that was just the start of the Traitor arc. You also completely butchered the names of the characters 😂 from Ben-iko to Achina, to Vorawn 😂 cmon man, at least know the proper pronunciations first.
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It’s funny how much more compelling a lot of the Sith that valued the empire over personal gain are than a lot of Sith that do the opposite. Like Darth Marr and Lana Beniko are some of the old republic’s standout characters, entirely because there’s more to them than being selfish jerks
The eternal empire was such a cool storyline. A third faction that beat the hell outta the sith and republic and made sure they pay tributes. The alliance pulled off a coalition of rebels before the rebel alliance was a thing.
Plus the eternal empire has a nice ring to it.
It could be said that the Rebel Alliance took some inspiration from the Eternal Alliance
@@CloneScavengerVulpin8389lol yeah
I mean, technically, it had already been done with the Yuzhang Vong, but it was cool nonetheless.
@@teleportedbreadfor3days 👍
Geetsly’s didn’t mention this, but Vitiate was actually born in the Marka Ragnos era on the planet Medriaas (which he later renamed to Nathema). Ragnos actually gave him the name Vitiate. He also randomly discovered the Eternal Fleet and had been building up that empire at the same time he was building the True Sith Empire.
And not to also mention that the original Valkorian was previously one of ancient Zakuul's greatest warriors before he was taken over by Vitiate, who then assumed Valkorian's identity to unite the people of Zakuul to form the Eternal Empire.
Also it wasn't Arcann that killed Valkorion, he merely attacked and distracted him while the outlander stabbed Valkorion in the back.
@@sev3060 depends on player choice
@@sev3060 Actually that could've actually happened had the Outlander pledged themselves to Valkorian. But Light Side choices tend to be the more "canon" picks than Dark Side choices so you're still correct.
@@sev3060true man. Arcann never would have the Power to strike valkorion down. The only one ever who always was powerful enough to defeat him was hero of tython/outlander, so it would only be logical that the outlander Deals the killing Blow to valkorion.
Vitiate did the Rule of One before Palpatine or Darth Krayt tried to make it cool.
Palpatine’s rule of one was different in that he would have been the only sith left and would be immortal
@@jakealter5504so the same thing the original person said valkorion was basically immortal and no sith head enough power to defeat him nor Jedi
@@bt3376 except palpatine’s one sith had him as the only sith in existence, still very different from vitiate’s version
Palpatine was a cuck who could barely hold his for 20 years. Krayt kind of got plot armored but by that point he was hundreds of years old.
When Revan tried to bring back the Emperor
The Galaxy: "Oh hell no"
XD Best line ever
It's sad the Eternal Empire was cut from a Trilogy to a Duology, I would've of loved to have explored more Lore about it.
There was plan for more? Could you by chance point to where one might learn more of what was in the original outlines?
@@dsfkghthere’s not really a place, but from what I understand it was supposed to be a much longer saga on Iokath where you learn more about their culture, and the weapons. Also helping Zakuul integrate into the galaxy, and actually getting to use the Eternal Fleet
@@FRIDAY-lt3ei hm, interesting! Thanks :)
With swtor recently getting new developers, being an end of an era, this video’s timing was great
The whole galaxy: How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?!
Revan: *Tries to bring the emperor back.*
The galaxy: "Oh hell, no!"
Brilliant 😆
Please do a chapter on the lost tribe of the Sith and their interactions with Luke and Abaloth🥲I don’t really hear anyone talk about them they’re really cool and their culture is unique from the other Sith
I know the whole point of the Sith is to be selfish and greedy, but the idea of Marr and the others mellowing out and choosing to live peacefully with the Jedi and Republic... i dunno, it hits different, like a broken family finally deciding to exist and not try to kill itself
Nowadays, I see the whole Sith and Jedi as a broken family too. The Je'daii Order split in two and ever since, its followers attuned to the light while in the 2nd Great Schism, the Dark Jedi attuned the dark. That's truly the way to end these wars. The Sith and Jedi must once again make peace.
Tbh I agree. Marr and Lana are such cool characters, but Darth Bane sums it up really well. To be Sith is to be self serving, and gain power by any means necessary. Putting others, heck a whole empire, before yourself is fundamentally not Sith.
I really wish we could've gotten a novel or comic series set within the zakuul empire. Just from the storyline and the in-game encyclopedias you can tell they have some really interesting lore and the swtor team put time into their world building. The Scions, the nathema zealots, the knights, etc. Even their society
Vitiate: I am all the Sith!
The Outlander: And I am... no. WE ARE ALL THE JEDI!
Palpatine: Who the f***** are you?
Vitiate: *I’m you, but with actual badassery.*
Having three powers or even more would expand the setting so much
Somehow Emperor Vitiate Returned
"Thexan was killed and he never quite forgave his father..." Bruh, understating a bit much? Arcan hit a breaking point after Valkorian dismissed them after a long and bitter campaign. One where Arcan lost his arm and had half his face disfigured. Arcan struck out at Valkorian, and Thexan used the force to pull his brother back slightly, and in a dark side fueled rage, he killed Thexan. He hates Valkorian for pushing him that far, and himself for being mentally weak enough to snap like that.
Yes and He hates himself because He knows He is just his fathers puppet and that He cannot resist his influence even if He tries to fight against it. Thats why He was redeemed because He saw that He could only defeat his father and break valkorions hold over him if He allows his mother to help him resist darkness. Only after being redeemed is He truely free to fight valkorion, as a dark sidee He was just controlled by valkorions Manipulation and He was split between light and dark similar to revan, who also thought He was fighting against the emperor but was a puppet as well.
Thank you so much for this series! Sith history is my favorite subject in Star Wars and I love digging into every small thing in the lore.
Vitiate and palpatine are harder to get rid of than cockroaches.
Who else think that the Sith Empire that became more Empire than the Sith deserved to be allowed to continue? After all, I believed that the galaxy is too big for the Galactic Republic alone to rule and having another multinational and multicultural galactic superpower to control roughly a half of the galaxy will be a good option.
True man! All hail vitiate and his empire
@@1qplayer626 Thanks for your support!
@@lerneanlion no problem man. Sith empire was better than republic
It is a great irony to me that the best political system for the sith is ideal democracy. Many ideas clashing until one proves superior and rises to the top, being accepted by former opponents.
I love Atroxa’s face of absolute DESPAIR. I'd almost give her a hug.
Edit: Apparently not Talon. This was Darth Atroxa.
id like to mention how the eternal fleet used the fact that we live in a world of 3 dimention effectively
using geometrical formations spread across and entire area to ensure optimal firing lines for the entire fleet
as far as im aware they are the only fleet in the star wars universe that remembers this fact and uses it in its enitrety
Nice ,next we get to the brotherhood of darknes,Darth ruin and the new sith Wars .And then rule of two with Bane ,thenebrus ,zahna plagius and palps
You should have mentioned that Arcann killed his brother Thexan
I 100% believe that the eternal emperor is still alive, like the guy is really stubborn and will get your body regardless if he gets consent or not hahah.😹
this story line was so unique
This should be made into a trilogy of its own
Amazing content g💯
I hate the fact, that in swtor, you Always are the underdog. Like bro. I had 3 minutes screentime as emporess. Wtf. Let me finally get what i wantee.
Really enjoying this history of the Sith series that you are doing. Keep up the amazing content!
My favorite sith empires are Revan's Empire, Darth Malgus' New Empire, and the Eternal Empire.
Please do a video on the cis navy structure and ranks
I swear this storyline was some writer going "Hey, lets do 40k's Great Crusade but with lightsabers."
dont forget that his original body didnt die 2:20 - he kept it hidden and used others as vessels for his mind, a failsafe if u will - if a body would prove to have too strong a mind to possess, he wouldnt be forced into the Void since he had a place to return to - his original body. quite unlike Palpatine who millenia later, after his original body grew old and was eventually killed at Endor, was forced to use fast grown clones of himself as blank slates to easily imprint his mind on - but ofc clones are no match to normal body so his power ravaged them, making them wither and grow old extra fast, forcing Palpatine to keep changing clone bodies while Vitiate could use his vessels for centuries on end.
Video idea #3
LAAT Clone gunship vs HMP Droid gunship
There is a complete dark age between SWTOR and the next thing (which is over 900 years!) What do you think happened in that time?
Yeah, the New Sith Wars are pretty sick, but I still wonder if the Reconsituted Sith Empire still had remnants somewhere in the unknown regions or if it's ideology somewhat still had influence over the sith
@@theoneguest1the galaxy is so large that I imagine there are probably a few planets that have insular sith remnants, much like korriban before the dark jedi.
@@kingofhearts3185 Probable
"cool?"
fucking phoenomenal.
Love learning alot of sith history.
Hey Geets, just wondering when ep 4 will be reuploaded
Dont know why but when Geetlys said Darth Malgus going his own way, I thought Sithtow(Sith Lords going there on way)
Yeah, our fellows, the Multiversal Defense High Command, deems them a shallow threat due to their all-but-name status as an Infinities universe threat. Pity, though, since the more legitimate records on the war against the far more awesome and properly nuanced True Sith fought by Revan and the Jedi Exile are all classified information for the time being, although we got confirmation that notable battlefields might have included Mandalore, Coruscant, Rodia, and Taloraan.
Was this a Canon Event? Can we stop it? 🗿
@@thalmoragent9344 No, not really, and one can just ignore them instead. Stopping would take too much effort.
Oh, I thought we were moving on to Bane's stuff, after talking about the Brother Hood in last week. Looks like we still have one more week or so of this series left. Hey, I don't mind it's still great Star Wars stuff.
Alas, had to skip this and just left a like. The TOR MMO just gives me... uuuuuuuuggggggghhhhhhh.
The KotOR III we never have gotten is still the true Legends (and maybe even Disney Alt-universe) canonical endgame, even if it means treating it like what happened between Monkey Island 2 and The Curse of Monkey Island and whatever the heck happened on the DC Animated Universe's Near-Apocalypse of '09.
@@michaelandreipalon359 TOR MMO? I can't help feeling I'm missing some context here on what you're replying to, buddy.
@@zexalbrony4799 The content from this video is from the The Old Republic massively multiplayer online RPG, which I have... words and opinions that I really shouldn't spout too much in the web. In other words, I don't count it as part of any official mainline SW canon due to many flaws and contradictioms, alongside some behind-the-scenes bullkriff like it being mostly responsible for the then-and-now state of themostly redeemed shitestorm that is poor Mass Effect 3.
And I really hope you understood the two other references I brought upon.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Oh so it's basically the Sequels to you. Since for me, I don't consider the Ssequals canon to the timeline. I can get that.
Not really, I understood something about the DC Animated Universe in 2009, but that's it.
@@zexalbrony4799 Hmm, more like how people treat the Superman movies post-II (preferably the Richard Donner Cut) and those Joel Schumacher Batman films, in my take.
Can understand why the classic LucasArts puzzle adventures can be lost on you, I admit. Still, will recommend them, if you want.
I love these explaiations
Nice episode.
Do a full documentary om vitiates life pls
The Eternal Alliance does not always Merge into the Republic. Sometimes it merges within the Empire. Player choice.
Did Valkorian have his family prior to being taken over by Vitiate? Or did Vitiate want to experience love, a wife, and children via his influence by Revan, when Revan was held captive for three centuries, and the two were Force-linked?
Your title in the thumbnail has a typo as you didn't put an 'n' in "explained". 😅
Expained... ex-pained? As in no longer pained/in-pain?
Vowrawn only becomes Emperor if the Outlander (Player character) sides with the Republic on Iokath. Otherwise, Acina remains Emperor. (Empress)
So... we're still not there to the new sith wars?
Vitiate is as bad as Sidious when it comes to refusing to die and having several re-spawns as it were as well as backup plans and empires to ensure that he reigns for ever. Though of course it was his abandonment of the sith empire. invasions of the eternal empire and his attempts to live forever, that eventually doomed and put the Sith empire on its road to diasaster and destruction.
True also his children were even worse and accelerated his downfall as everyone turned on him bc of their cruelty
Long live Darth Revan!
I love how Geetsly's has no qualms taking down on Vitiate and how he's just a more powerful Darth Sidious knockoff like a fanfic insert. This has been a running theme from this channel for years.
Well geetslys refers to him as fake nihilus. How He portraits vitiate doesnt fit his might 😢
in reality palpatine is knock off of vitiate
@@ericpaunovic3579 how man? Vitiate is palpatine but much better written. Of the writers had not messed him up in kotfe, He could have been an OP dark side villain with no flaws and arcann could have been a second and better vader than just another kylo ren whiney boy
@@1qplayer626 if we're talking about story wise then vitiate is much much older than palpatine, but even outside the story if we put thetypical evil powerful sith stuff aside they're not all that similiar if im being honest, vitiate has much better story and history and arguably better powers, vitiate was three people at same time and he ruled much more for much longer time and more successfully, he even did some good in his time for example he saved purebloods from extinction at hands of republic, then they survived in space then he found DK then he made zakuul into basically a paradise, hes not a good person by any margin of course but im saying that at least in form of tenebrae he did some good which i can't really say same for palps in fact i've even heard palpatine was supposed to be actual psychopath (altough im not sure is this actually established in actual lore), TOR and Canon SW era are generally different as are their factions including sith and the jedi i was never a big fan of comparsions between the two honestly.
@@ericpaunovic3579 ah yes man sry. I didnt disagree with you
Please what's the name.of the game where all these cool graphics are from....I want have the game please...
Star Wars: The old republic. PC only and free on steam
I look forward to your videos! As long as they're not on Disney Star Wars! I've washed my hands of that monstrosity!
I think Valkorian was the worst because he abused his kids and didn't care for his wife nor his empire.
Yeah his Designs were Bigger that those thibgs
I’m gonna make a prediction that Swtor will improve under Broadsword.
BioWare has similarities to CDPR and 343 studios.
I sure hope so.
@@vladislavraginis8781 Disney leaves Swtor alone for the most part.
So there’s some hope.
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Revamp on Revan for Disney to bring a R rated big screen experience for goodness sake . 30 days and nights in cinema whilst streaming for D Plus homes . Not too mention the currency exchange of our galaxy that Disney would earn from all of us . Make it a mission to get mega corporation Disney to make it happen. After all, John Wick made money. Food for thought. Anyhow, most importantly, stay free.
Can we have Keanu play Revan if we're making the John Wick comparison?
Vitiate the freak everyone wished would stay dead
I wish they made kotor 3 instead😢
Is the lightside storyline really canon? I dont think so
All 8 stories are canon
@@kianvandenberg6364 But then the Alliance cant join the Republic, as it can also join the Empire with Acina staying Empress and Chancellor Saresh being publicly executed
I think the Hero of Tython/Outlander-Lightside is canonical. Given how the plot unfolds, it makes more sense. There are subtle hints if you pay attention. For example, Lana Beniko is very open to joining the Republic in the sake of peace/stability, while Theron Shan doesn't feel the same way at all about joining the Empire.
The Sith's constant flux of leaders and paradigm shifts also greatly weakens their ability to maintain a stable front against the Republic. Darth Jadus breaks off to form his own splinter faction. Then Malgus with the stealth armada. Then Vitiate has to be put down and Imperial Intelligence was disbanded, and because their successor (Sith Intelligence) was based on Ziost.... You can imagine what happened to them when Vitiate destroyed the planet.
I could keep going but you get the idea. While the Jedi and the Republic face their share of setbacks, the Empire and Sith suffer from major losses and destructive infighting that simply can't realistically last. Which is why the Sith are the ones who basically vanish from the timeline following this era up until Darth Ruin, over 1000 years later
@@justinlacek1481 I agree , light side Jedi knight is the outlander
this is SWTOR theres no "canon" idk why getys thinks there is, like saying acina dies on iokath as a canon rather than one of options, which it is.
As an ideology, Sithness (Sithism?) Is sterile. Its war of each against all precludes stability. Which why the Brotherhood of Darkness and Palpatine eschewed its core principle; obviously in radically different ways. The BoD went for egalitarianism. Plagueis & Sidious went with autocracy. Either way discarded Sith individualism.
I really wasn't a fan of this game. I wish we got KOTOR 3 instead. This game took what KOTOR 2 set up and just boiled it down to yet another era with an evil Empire that functioned almost exactly like the one seen in the OT. I was hoping to see something more akin to what was presented in the Tales of the Jedi comics, but with a more established presence and better technology. They just look too much like the typical Empire for a game set long before the movies. KOTOR 1 did the same, but at least they were presented to be a more competent threat, and the technology was stylized better to look different from the more modern eras. This game just felt like it was made to appeal to OT fans while disregarding the interesting universe that was built up through TOTJ, KOTOR, and KOTOR 2. I also just didn't like it being a subscription based MMO.
i stopped at "evil empire" you got it completly wrong about the game from get go
Why does he keep saying my name
Not so fast. Because there isn't a rule of two, the lost tribe can't really by discounted n they had rulers throughout that periode. So while we don't know them by name it's at least more likely than not that some dark lords existed constantly.
I also am wondering if kotor and swotor even are to b concidered part of the eu's "a cannon", as far the games go.
They provided certainly much source material for successive books n comics but also have some massive elements that r hardly to not at all compatable with the base structure n circumstances that are unavoidable facts within the rules, that are in play in the sw universe in the main - as well the eu's a cannon.
4 example it should b impossible that darth marr could live on as a force ghost, at least as far as we know he never turned to the light.
So not only does the main cannon rule it out with qui go having been the first who learned that technique, but also it is colliding with the sith's and dark side practicioners in general - inability to learn it.
Another huge one is the fact that ziost in the eu is far from being a dead ball of rock. Even if the time till 41 aby would've been enough to regenerate, there would still b some remaining life necessary from which such regroth can happen, but viciad drained the planet completely according to the story of the games.
Malacor5 also is such a weird thing. If we believe the game's visually telling of the planet's end, it was just exactly that. We were shown how it was totally destroyed and broke into bits. So even within the game therer r locations for it to take place, which were shown to b destroyed in the same game. Luckily kotor2 never was a fully develloped story n has not really much influence on eu's a cannon anyway, but kotor n swotor were source for much printmaterial that was way more included into eu's a cannon works.
Oh, nearly forgotten about one... Massassi, were actually described to be green in the books, but they were made red in comics so i won't blame the game for that. Not sure which meium was first, if the comic, than that could b an error in the book ( n would also make sense given their biologic heiritage of purebloods), but i doubt it.
It also could just be a later redirection. The green describtion described the also only as ancient species who build the temples. It was said that they were enslaved by the sith who came there, like if they were native to yavin 4. All the ancient sith lore that was in the connected comics, was only minimally part in the book.
I think even the part of how n who of the sith got to yavin 4, actually was created later than the fact that exar kun haunted the ruins n was the one who enslaved the Massassi to build his temple. I think that neither nagar sadow nor magnar ragnos' envolvement in exar kuhns fall, nor sadow's getaway to yavin, including the massassi fighters he brought, were part of the novels, or if so - only durintg later parts.
Canon. Not Cannon. A Cannon is a big gun.
@@shaydowsith348 get 'em mixed up somtimes - not my mainlanguage.
Doesn't bother me much. I'm certain that keeps no one from understanding what's meant, who reads it to know what's said about the subject matter instead only to desperately search for a single typo that can b rubbed under my nose, while adding nothing to the conversation.
But hey, such pointless bs is as old as the yt comment section itself.
So i hope u got off on it well enough n envy u 4 being so easily to please ;)
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Guess it wasn’t eternal after all
Sounds sorta similar to how rey defeated palpatine. wierd.
The cannon event of swtor suck, rejoin the republic? like the whole game is not base on the jedi knight enough, I wish the commander could regain their power and invading the pub and emp for the final battle.
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Dave filoni is overrated
I knooooooooow.
It is pronounced Shan (rhymes with Han as in Han Solo). Please. Play the game so you can hear how to properly Say the names of these characters. Lana Beh-NEEK-Oh.
Nah-thehma*
Please, mate, that planet was in the game - pay attention to the pronunciation whenever you discuss something.
Also, some knowledge on the topic you talk about is missing.. Be more competent
Empress Ah-see-na*
Lana BeNIko*
Deduction - you skim-read the Wookieepaedia and tried to make it all out. Can't happen that way, mate. Inform yourself better. You can't simply begin talking about anything you pick without proper preparation.
Bruh you sound like you just read a summary of the SWTOR games... the Eternal Alliance didn't perish at Iokath, that was just the start of the Traitor arc. You also completely butchered the names of the characters 😂 from Ben-iko to Achina, to Vorawn 😂 cmon man, at least know the proper pronunciations first.
The Senate would have DEMOLISHED the Eternal Empire AND Vitiate.