Valkorion was the greatest. The Sith depended on him for their survival for millennia, he was their god, that is why they withered in his absence. He outgrew the Sith and their Empire, hence why he abandoned them for Zakuul. The dark side was insufficient for him, he wanted to experience the force in its totality. Revan opened his eyes to this when he almost defeated him using both sides of the force in balance. In Zakuul, he was free to pursue new things that the Sith would have deemed him weak for: love, above all. This explains the change in his personality from the ruthless destroyer of worlds, to the loving husband and the father of three children. He could be whoever he wanted without the chains being Sith imposed on him. Realising this only magnified his power and his perspective.
Wouldn't exactly call him a "loving" father but i agree. Senya mentions quite a few times that he was distant and cold to his children. Would go weeks without speaking to them. Turned his daughter into a force slave and his sons into insane warlords
This is wrong vitiate pilgrimaged the rest of the empire into the unknown region then came back x years later while at the same time had split his consciousness which took control of the eternal empire then after the event of ziost that side of valkorian/vitiate merged and attacked the empire and republic
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My favourite thing about Vitiate's story line is that my first playthrough of The Old Republic wsa as an inquisitor. It was incredible as the very first segment of the game sees you as about to be the victim of Essence Transfer before one of your companions saves you. Felt like a great deal of foreshadowing as I was right back in that same situation of having to deal with more force ghosts and learning how to stop the transfer.
My first ToR character was an inquisitor as well!! All the storylines were pretty decent at least but the inquisitor was my favorite I think, truly made me feel like a rising sith lord and by the end of it I have never felt so badass playing a video game lol.
This is wrong vitiate pilgrimaged the rest of the empire into the unknown region then came back x years later while at the same time had split his consciousness which took control of the eternal empire then after the event of ziost that side of valkorian/vitiate merged and attacked the empire and republic
I feel like Valkorion is to Star Wars, as Morgoth is to Middle Earth. Somewhat. Basically the first biggest and baddest; with powers & forces so strong, they make the best current forces seem weak and obsolete in comparison. I suppose that'd also make Sidious Sauron? 😂
Valkorion wasn't evil. He didn't want to subjugation or enslave galaxies. I mean, he did want to consume one galaxy to become a god and experience all life and it's aspects, but I woulsnt call that evil. More... beyond our understanding
Trilogy???? More like Saga lol. They could start with the Mando Wars in the first then the True Sith in the second then the Eternal Empire in the third trilogy
This is a wonderful compilation. The eternal empire is probably my favorite concept in all of Star Wars, just a mysterious threat that came out of nowhere at exactly the right time to take down both enemy factions. I ended up watching some Battlefront II mod showcases and when Valkorian popped up I clapped like a tiny child. Kneel before the dragon of Za-...Zach-...Zakuul?... ok just kneel or whatever.
Lets be honest; Vitiate is way more dangerous, he wants power just for power's sake. He can wipe out entire planets and create empires. Sidious is nowhere near his level, but that being said; Vitiate used more Sith sorcery/alchemy to gain that power whereas Sidious's power is mostly natural.
Vitiate sounds like a better ruler for the common people than the sith, republic, the Jedi or the rebels were. I know he’s way better than the Disney republic is but that’s not saying much at all considering things. pretty sure jabbas folk are better rules than them and about as cruel if not a bit less.
I say Vitiate was more powerful that Palpatine for sure. I mean his feats outmatch Sidious. He lived far longer than Sidious did living 1500+ years and absorbing force from planets and more.
He definitely was. People like to argue cuz Lucas says Sidious is but I'm sure he doesn't really consider Valkorian cannon. He's probably speaking in terms of the cannon lore. Like The sith in the rule of two from Bane up to Sidious and not the more expanded version. And even the ones before the rule of two but not Valkorian. Valkorians feats easily show that he's more powerful in the force. I've not seen Sidious do half the things he has but either way they have to be really close in power because I also haven't seen any other sith able to force choke someone from across the galaxy like Sidious did. Though I know it's because he knew exactly where Dooku was but for him to even be capable of that shows how strong he is in the force. I've seen Vader do it too but not as far across the galaxy
Darth Vitiate (Immortal Emperor) Quote "You discern a fraction of reality beyond these stars exist other galaxies, other worlds, and other beings. I will experience or ignore them as I wish. I will spend eternity becoming everything: a farmer, an artist, a simple man. When the last living thing in the universe finally dies, I will enjoy the peace and wait for the cycle to begin again." Tenebrae loves life and is willing to do anything as an immortal to experience it until he finishes devouring all life in the universe or until he witnesses the end of the universe. However, he is still power-hungry and willing to rule a strong empire. As Valkorion, Tenebrae matured and actually removed any thought of devouring all life and simply used it as an idle threat if all came to oppose him. He loved Senya but his love doesn't extend to his children because how he fears their power and fears that they will grow up into ruthless leaders who will one day overthrow him. Tenebrae sees a lot of himself in Vaylin and worked to dominate her so she won't overthrow him similar to how he overthrew his own father. It is interesting that all of Zakuul saw him as a good leader (not a good person) who actually gave his people comfortable and peaceful lives. He did not impose the Sith doctrine on his people but somewhat on his children. Overall, Tenebrae is a monster but is a complicated villain because his final attachments are what led to his own defeat. His final attachments were his family and he loved them in his own twisted way. However, Tenebrae's actions led to his family helping the Jedi and the Sith destroy him once and for all. Tenebrae loves life to the point he hates the Sith for discarding life and hates the Jedi for sacrificing themselves for the sake of people they do not know. The Jedi and the Sith believe Tenebrae is a monster who cannot change. However, they are wrong as Tenebrae did love Zakuul and his family in his own twisted way. It should be noted that the Tenebrae we see in Echoes of Oblivion is not him but an imprint of who he once was (a world-devouring conqueror).
Great insight! But I’m wondering. If Valkorion aka Vitiate loves Senya (we can assume he loves her) than why didn’t he save her when she dies? Just I’m curious yours opinion on this topic.
This story is so much more creative and sophisticated compared to anything Disney came up with. They only can reuse already established characters and plots and create nothing new. Even worse, all that was produced is best on a a "ok" level like Mandalorian. But I miss the good old times when games like Kotor or Jedi Knight gave us a glimpse on what fantastic worlds and adventures are still out there in the Star Wars universe
Dude all the star wars games and books have better stories and lore than all the movies Disney or not. Stop trying to bring down Disney when all the best stories in stsr wars don't take place on the big screen
This is wrong vitiate pilgrimaged the rest of the empire into the unknown region then came back x years later while at the same time had split his consciousness which took control of the eternal empire then after the event of ziost that side of valkorian/vitiate merged and attacked the empire and republic
This is wrong vitiate pilgrimaged the rest of the empire into the unknown region then came back x years later while at the same time had split his consciousness which took control of the eternal empire then after the event of ziost that side of valkorian/vitiate merged and attacked the empire and republic
@@richietribe9487 I think I replied to the wrong person but I don’t think this guy has actually played the games so he’s going to be off on a few things of this subject
It's cool that Vitiate could do a facsimile of what Nihilus could do casually. Tho, where Nihilus isn't satisfied, Vitiate was granted power, AND immortality.
Tenebrae Vitiate Valkorian will live again somewhere and sometime some ambitious force wielder will find his personal Holocron and Spell books remember the Emperor was a Sorcerer and Alchemist there will be at least one or two holocrons and numerous spell books he might follow beyond Darth Krayts Empire or someone can find the Dark Staff far too many loose ends
As far as who "kills" Valkorian in the initial scene part (before Valkorian inhabits Outlander's mind), that is totally controlled by whether the player Kneels or not (In-game choice). If player kneels, Arcann stabs his father. If player refuses to kneel, player stabs Valkorian.
While it is true that Arcann does not have a lightsaber style shown in the initial intro scenes, he does battle the Outlander in the dock of Asylum, so if you play that chapter (ASYLUM) it does have scenes of him using his yellow lightsaber.
Been playing the classes in SWTOR and have been wondering how Sidious is considered "The strongest Sith to ever live" considering he only reigned for a few decades and certainly didn't do a quarter of the things Vitiate did. Forget about lifespan, and percentage of their life spent actually in power of the Empire. Granted, Sidious *did* wipe out the Jedi, in practicality at least. But Vitiate ruled for a looooong time and lived through just so many different people and lives. Just touching so much throughout his life.
Valkorian never ruled the galaxy. Yeah, he lived for much longer than sideous but I honestly think that in combat sideous would win due to his incredible lightsaber skills and power in the force. They were both really smart and they honestly had similar goals but in the end they both failed.
I think it’s the sheer control sidous had. You can suck the souls out of all the planets you want, rule several skeleton empires in the unknown regions, and be an immortal “god” but we never mention Vitiate/Valk without some form of open conflict or him hiding. He never held the galaxy with such a iron grip (even for a brief time) to where to only “rebellion” is small cells of insurgents that take literal acts of plot to make work.
Palpatine is an inherited nepotism-baby though. All of his success comes from the groundwork laid during the last 1000 years through the rule of 2. Don’t forget, Darth Plageuis wasn’t killed until RotS. Much of what transpired wasn’t because of palps, but instead his master.
Its so easy to say that this should just be its own film, but it would be veryyyyyyy difficult to pull off. Vitiate's reign spanned over 1,000 years, there's just no way to cover all that ground in a movie or even a trilogy and have it make sense. You'd have no continuity of protagonists, because Vitiate lives for so long, a Jedi's lifetime is a nap for him, so you'd have no central hero to root for. You'd have to chop it up, and split it into three different time periods of his life. The end of the hyperspace war where he gained immortality and flees into exile/ His initial onslaught against the republic and rivalry with Revan/ His final push as Valkorian.
@@stargatecommand714 It is when they make him unlearn everything he learned throughout the original trilogy just to have him kill himself and go out like a b***.
@@Lobsterwithinternet lmao guess saving the Resistance, reigniting your legend, and showing your opponent they're not as all powerful as they think they are means you "go out like a b"
@@stargatecommand714 Rofl Rose crashing into Finn did more to delay the First Order than Luke killing himself to troll Kylo did. If he really wanted to show how weak they were, he would have destroyed that entire force using the Force while leaving Kylo alive knowing Luke spared him. And Luke was already a legend throughout the galaxy before TFA, as Rey herself confirms.
@@Lobsterwithinternet you're missing the point if you wanted the EU Grand Master Luke to show up and stomp everyone. Luke did the most Jedi thing we've ever seen in the movies, he used the Force to truly defend and protect, not attack and kill, taking Yoda's teachings to their full extent. Notice how I said "reigniting"
I dont know why star wars movies continue to focus on the Skywalker line so much when these awesome characters exist in the lore! This is the movie trilogy I want!
Because most of this stuff didnt exist before the prequels and obviously didnt exist before the originals. Cant say the same for the sequels. They shouldve just went with the old republic instead copying the original trilogy
The reason Arcann’s force lightning was different was because he was trained in the unique force traditions of Zakuul. Those traditions where neither light or dark by nature.
"I don't always one-shot my enemies with force lightning, but when i do... it's to some of the most powerful Sith ans Jedi in the galaxy...with one hand." Emperor Valkorian aka The Most Interesting Emperor in the Galaxy 😆is it just me or does this dude look like the Most Interesting Man in the World
First of all, this guy makes sidious look like a school girl. And second to just shadow what everyone else has said why havent they made a movie about this? Honesty watching this is almost better than all of the star wars movies i know ima get alot of hate for that but imagine a real(not Disney) but a rater R star wars movie would be F'in amazing!!!
Arkan didn't pin anything on the Outlander, it was The Outlander that struck Valkorion down. Stabed him in the back, and I believe the Outlander said you should have killed me when you had the chance and Valkorion responded so be it and started to laugh and then his spirit then entered the outlander's body and slowly started the process of grooming him into his next vessel while he was encased in carbonite.
Yes true man. Arcann killing valk is just the uncanon dark ending when outlander kneels. But outlander would never kneel to hus worst enemy so He killed valk.
@1qplayer626 There is a storyline it actually makes sense to pick it in, if you go the Sith Warrior route you end up having a very close connection with Valkorian BEFORE the stab happens so it would make sense to kneel
Heh, imagine being the squad assigned to train the twins and Vaylyn - prolly pissed they get to be glorified baby sitters. Then BAM! They get their armor and helmets shrunk. This is great stuff, Stup.’ I’m kinda new to SW, love history, and have really gravitated to the Old Republic and earlier; thus far, stories related to the Eternal Empire have been my favorites. This documentary listens like a history class! Which I guess it is, but you’ve done a great job at making it like a college course summary, getting all of us students motivated to dig into the deeper backstories.
Stopped watching this part way through to avoid spoilers. Maybe I should go back and pick up where I left off with SWTOR? Don't recall quite how far I got into the content with Valkorian but it wasn't too deep and it was many years ago since I last played it.
Just started star wars old republic again been 11 years since last log in surprisingly 2 of my characters were still there lost my counselor and sith sorcerer
I don't believe for a second that sideous is more powerful than some of the ancient sith. Better at scheming yes but we have never seen or heard of him doing anything close to what we've heard of some of the ancient sith do.
Same. Maybe it’s because we ‘know’ him so much more, but I never thought he was all that, and a bag of chips. But I think Palpatine ruined him for me; I found him instantly unlikeable as a smarmy politician (as intended by the writers) so I subconsciously minimized his power as compared to the old days. This is precisely why I like books, audio comics, fan films, and dedicated Lore channels so much more than theater films. Sure, special effects are great, but really bad writing and character development, bad acting, and plot abuse can REALLY ruin a story and particular characters for me…I never cared for (don’t blast me) Mark Hamil, so I could never get onboard with Luke; that adolescent actor who played Anakin, ugh - thank God Vader has his mask; C3P0, I just want to dismember; the Ewoks, annoying little ankle biters. But then there’s Rogue One - loved it, loved everything about it, and am genuinely interested in reading/watching stories about the characters. If the entire theater film opera was like Rogue One, I’d be all over them; if The Old Republic and old Sith could be written about like it…so awesome. If not, disney needs to just walk right on my and leave anything BBY alone. Fortunately, I found a way to solve this hangup - after partway through Solo, I just stopped watching disney films.
He is one of maybe five sith that actually deserve the title of Darth(even though he doesn’t use it). Vitiate, Adas, Marka Ragnos, and Tulak Hord. I feel like the last one isn’t either Revan or Sidious, but it’s not coming to mind at the moment
@@cngotham4111 Vader was always weaker than Sidious, or at least he was when he no longer had reason not to try to take over. Bane I don't know, he was a good fighter but I feel that ruling because you tricked everyone else into killing themselves doesn't make you a real leader. Malgus because in SWTOR we beat him several times. There should be strict standards for a title like Darth, I think.
@@amberkat8147I kinda agree, but the nature of the Sith is to not have honor, and be all about themselves and their own lust for more power. The best backstabber wins.
Are there any Star Wars Novels or comics that cover the time of Valkerion, the Eternal Fleet his twins etc? I just started the novel”Revan” but not sure where it takes place in the timeline. The videos I’ve seen of some of the Old Republic games show the twins but not sure where it takes place in the timeline. It all looks very interesting.
spoilers of course. . . . After revan was defeated a second time by vitiate, he was imprisoned in a prison in deep space past a magnetic field that no one can get through and tortured for 300 years. Vitiate, his dread masters and scientists tested many things on him, which made led him to become the shadow of revan after his death. This was his most powerful version. The story picks after the shadow of revan tries to revive the emperor only to have the emperor kill everything around him and devour yet another planet (ziost) leaving it lifeless like nathema. He "combined" with his other half valkorion and was back to full power and then some, that is when he sent archann and thexan to start attacking and easily defeating both the republic and empire in the outskirts. After humiliating defeats, darth marr decided to call for volunteers from both the empire and republic to join together to find and kill the emperor for good. And that is where the zakuul storyline begins. It is a very good story, but makes no sense if your toon isn't a force user.
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@@karmst1996 that’s because it’s not canon anymore tho? Like what did palpatine do what vitate couldn’t yeah palpatine was smarter but what’s his crazy power
@@karmst1996 There is NO WAY Sidious would ever have beaten Vitiate. Vitiate would have mopped the floor with Palpatine. I don't care what Disney or anyone else says. Saying Sidious was stronger is just not supported by the actual media.
@@ronjon7942 nah These chara were developed by other authors, game developers etc. That was never Georges Dominion. But He made contracts with them and let them create things.
Actually it is stated that Zakuuluns did not wield either the dark nor the light side, rather their strength in the force was based on their commitment to their leader or to Zakuul itself. This dialogue takes place between the Outlander and Lana within the 3rd chapter of KOTFE. This would most probably extend to Thexan & Arcann as well as to his sister Vaylin, although clearly both Arcann & his sister Vaylin exhibited actions that would be considered dark in retrospect. (Thexan never got a chance to rule as he was slain - possibly accidently - by Arcann (when Arcann was trying to kill Valkorian - see beginning montage of chapters for KOTFE)
The only one who really seemed to use the "neutral" aspect of the Force is Thexan. Arcann and his sister were clearly darksiders and Vailyn never cared for Zakuul or her father and yet she was the strongest
No - there were three teams. The Sith Empire, the Galactic Republic, and the Eternal Empire. The Eternal Empire had finally been defeated by the Alliance (no, not the Rebel Alliance), and became the Eternal Alliance - which was probably the most powerful of the three, because it had the Eternal Fleet, along with the Gravestone starship with its OmniCannon. The Gravestone was no joke. The entire Eternal Fleet, and then the Gravestone, were annihilated over Nathema in a battle with the Order of Zildrog. This reduced the strength of the Eternal Alliance to a fraction of what it was, although it still had a respectable navy of ‘normal’ ships. Several member planets left the Alliance, presumably joining either the Sith Empire or the Galactic Republic; I don’t know if any stayed completely independent. When war between the Sith Empire and the Galactic Republic resumed, the Eternal Alliance allied, and eventually joined, the Galactic Republic, becoming no more. And then there were two…
Valkorion was the greatest. The Sith depended on him for their survival for millennia, he was their god, that is why they withered in his absence. He outgrew the Sith and their Empire, hence why he abandoned them for Zakuul. The dark side was insufficient for him, he wanted to experience the force in its totality. Revan opened his eyes to this when he almost defeated him using both sides of the force in balance. In Zakuul, he was free to pursue new things that the Sith would have deemed him weak for: love, above all. This explains the change in his personality from the ruthless destroyer of worlds, to the loving husband and the father of three children. He could be whoever he wanted without the chains being Sith imposed on him. Realising this only magnified his power and his perspective.
He was known as Vitiate when he was the Sith Emperor.
Wouldn't exactly call him a "loving" father but i agree. Senya mentions quite a few times that he was distant and cold to his children. Would go weeks without speaking to them. Turned his daughter into a force slave and his sons into insane warlords
@@erickrohne6279 i separated "loving husband" from "father" for this very reason.
When Jedi break their chains, they become Sith.
When Sith break their illusions, they become something more than both.
This is wrong vitiate pilgrimaged the rest of the empire into the unknown region then came back x years later while at the same time had split his consciousness which took control of the eternal empire then after the event of ziost that side of valkorian/vitiate merged and attacked the empire and republic
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Thank you!
The eternal empire campaign is the triliogy we deserve!
Yes eternal empire ❤❤❤
My favourite thing about Vitiate's story line is that my first playthrough of The Old Republic wsa as an inquisitor. It was incredible as the very first segment of the game sees you as about to be the victim of Essence Transfer before one of your companions saves you. Felt like a great deal of foreshadowing as I was right back in that same situation of having to deal with more force ghosts and learning how to stop the transfer.
My first ToR character was an inquisitor as well!! All the storylines were pretty decent at least but the inquisitor was my favorite I think, truly made me feel like a rising sith lord and by the end of it I have never felt so badass playing a video game lol.
This is wrong vitiate pilgrimaged the rest of the empire into the unknown region then came back x years later while at the same time had split his consciousness which took control of the eternal empire then after the event of ziost that side of valkorian/vitiate merged and attacked the empire and republic
If Sidious is the devil, Valkorion was a vengeful evil god. Which is ironic with his goal
More like ‘if Sideous was Michael Myers or the Ghost-Faced Killer, Valkorion is Pinhead or Freddy Kruger.
I feel like Valkorion is to Star Wars, as Morgoth is to Middle Earth. Somewhat.
Basically the first biggest and baddest; with powers & forces so strong, they make the best current forces seem weak and obsolete in comparison.
I suppose that'd also make Sidious Sauron? 😂
@@ericremotesteam More like Saruman.
Valkorion wasn't evil. He didn't want to subjugation or enslave galaxies. I mean, he did want to consume one galaxy to become a god and experience all life and it's aspects, but I woulsnt call that evil. More... beyond our understanding
@@elusiveDEVIANT Sure...
Dude, Lucasfilm has a whole trilogy here with this and they instead got that shit 😭😭😭
Honestly thought, with all the little clues and hints that were spread around the first two films, that the big bad was going to be Vitiate himself.
Trilogy???? More like Saga lol. They could start with the Mando Wars in the first then the True Sith in the second then the Eternal Empire in the third trilogy
This is a wonderful compilation. The eternal empire is probably my favorite concept in all of Star Wars, just a mysterious threat that came out of nowhere at exactly the right time to take down both enemy factions. I ended up watching some Battlefront II mod showcases and when Valkorian popped up I clapped like a tiny child. Kneel before the dragon of Za-...Zach-...Zakuul?... ok just kneel or whatever.
I never knew anything about this Starwars stuff, pretty cool and very interesting how deep the lore goes.
Lets be honest; Vitiate is way more dangerous, he wants power just for power's sake. He can wipe out entire planets and create empires. Sidious is nowhere near his level, but that being said; Vitiate used more Sith sorcery/alchemy to gain that power whereas Sidious's power is mostly natural.
What are you talking about? Sidious is stronger than Vitiate. Darth Sidious is the strongest sith to have ever lived past and present.
@@karmst1996 In G-Canon which is the movies and a couple of projects Lucas led.
Other than those, nope. It's still up in the air.
Vitiate sounds like a better ruler for the common people than the sith, republic, the Jedi or the rebels were. I know he’s way better than the Disney republic is but that’s not saying much at all considering things. pretty sure jabbas folk are better rules than them and about as cruel if not a bit less.
@@karmst1996 in canon yes in legends it's literally a toss up between these 2 because both are godly.
he wanted to devour the entire galaxy and become all powerful
I say Vitiate was more powerful that Palpatine for sure. I mean his feats outmatch Sidious. He lived far longer than Sidious did living 1500+ years and absorbing force from planets and more.
He definitely was. People like to argue cuz Lucas says Sidious is but I'm sure he doesn't really consider Valkorian cannon. He's probably speaking in terms of the cannon lore. Like The sith in the rule of two from Bane up to Sidious and not the more expanded version. And even the ones before the rule of two but not Valkorian. Valkorians feats easily show that he's more powerful in the force. I've not seen Sidious do half the things he has but either way they have to be really close in power because I also haven't seen any other sith able to force choke someone from across the galaxy like Sidious did. Though I know it's because he knew exactly where Dooku was but for him to even be capable of that shows how strong he is in the force. I've seen Vader do it too but not as far across the galaxy
Darth Vitiate (Immortal Emperor) Quote
"You discern a fraction of reality beyond these stars exist other galaxies, other worlds, and other beings. I will experience or ignore them as I wish. I will spend eternity becoming everything: a farmer, an artist, a simple man. When the last living thing in the universe finally dies, I will enjoy the peace and wait for the cycle to begin again."
Tenebrae loves life and is willing to do anything as an immortal to experience it until he finishes devouring all life in the universe or until he witnesses the end of the universe. However, he is still power-hungry and willing to rule a strong empire. As Valkorion, Tenebrae matured and actually removed any thought of devouring all life and simply used it as an idle threat if all came to oppose him. He loved Senya but his love doesn't extend to his children because how he fears their power and fears that they will grow up into ruthless leaders who will one day overthrow him. Tenebrae sees a lot of himself in Vaylin and worked to dominate her so she won't overthrow him similar to how he overthrew his own father. It is interesting that all of Zakuul saw him as a good leader (not a good person) who actually gave his people comfortable and peaceful lives. He did not impose the Sith doctrine on his people but somewhat on his children. Overall, Tenebrae is a monster but is a complicated villain because his final attachments are what led to his own defeat. His final attachments were his family and he loved them in his own twisted way. However, Tenebrae's actions led to his family helping the Jedi and the Sith destroy him once and for all.
Tenebrae loves life to the point he hates the Sith for discarding life and hates the Jedi for sacrificing themselves for the sake of people they do not know. The Jedi and the Sith believe Tenebrae is a monster who cannot change. However, they are wrong as Tenebrae did love Zakuul and his family in his own twisted way. It should be noted that the Tenebrae we see in Echoes of Oblivion is not him but an imprint of who he once was (a world-devouring conqueror).
Great insight! But I’m wondering. If Valkorion aka Vitiate loves Senya (we can assume he loves her) than why didn’t he save her when she dies?
Just I’m curious yours opinion on this topic.
This story is so much more creative and sophisticated compared to anything Disney came up with. They only can reuse already established characters and plots and create nothing new. Even worse, all that was produced is best on a a "ok" level like Mandalorian. But I miss the good old times when games like Kotor or Jedi Knight gave us a glimpse on what fantastic worlds and adventures are still out there in the Star Wars universe
WAIT.......disney produced stuff? Huh.......Doesn't ring a bell. Must be an alternate universe....😉
Dude all the star wars games and books have better stories and lore than all the movies Disney or not. Stop trying to bring down Disney when all the best stories in stsr wars don't take place on the big screen
@@brettstalling2269😮
didney baad
Y'all forgot Vitiate could form Avatars to cast spells and fight for him I call that Absolute power
Unlimited Power!!!!
This is wrong vitiate pilgrimaged the rest of the empire into the unknown region then came back x years later while at the same time had split his consciousness which took control of the eternal empire then after the event of ziost that side of valkorian/vitiate merged and attacked the empire and republic
7:15 slight correction. The peace treaty was between the sith empire and the republic. The eternal empire was not revealed yet
This is wrong vitiate pilgrimaged the rest of the empire into the unknown region then came back x years later while at the same time had split his consciousness which took control of the eternal empire then after the event of ziost that side of valkorian/vitiate merged and attacked the empire and republic
@@reborn6596 But this has nothing to do with the treaty
@@richietribe9487 I think I replied to the wrong person but I don’t think this guy has actually played the games so he’s going to be off on a few things of this subject
The Dragon of Zakuul is such a badass title.
It's cool that Vitiate could do a facsimile of what Nihilus could do casually. Tho, where Nihilus isn't satisfied, Vitiate was granted power, AND immortality.
Tenebrae Vitiate Valkorian will live again somewhere and sometime some ambitious force wielder will find his personal Holocron and Spell books remember the Emperor was a Sorcerer and Alchemist there will be at least one or two holocrons and numerous spell books he might follow beyond Darth Krayts Empire or someone can find the Dark Staff far too many loose ends
No way!!!!!!!
Why have I never come across this beast???
Hoping there's a few stories on this. Didn't realise there was this much extra lore in SW.
You have no idea bro 😂
I've watched this so many times already.
The eternal empire cinematics and story are what the sequels could have been 😭😭😭
The best villain in Star Wars!
If you like characters and stories that retcon existing material
@@stargatecommand714 That's been happening since TESB retconned Splinter of the Mind’s Eye.
And most of the stuff being retconned was within legends.
@@Lobsterwithinternet yeah, I know, Swtor ruined Kotor II, Revan, the Jedi Exile, and Kreia
No Jabba is
@@stargatecommand714 Good thing those are all considered Legends so you can disregard it. 🦞👍
This would be a phenomenal and an engaging live action series over multiple seasons.
As far as who "kills" Valkorian in the initial scene part (before Valkorian inhabits Outlander's mind), that is totally controlled by whether the player Kneels or not (In-game choice). If player kneels, Arcann stabs his father. If player refuses to kneel, player stabs Valkorian.
We need this to become a show or movie trilogy. These story lines are so interesting!
While it is true that Arcann does not have a lightsaber style shown in the initial intro scenes, he does battle the Outlander in the dock of Asylum, so if you play that chapter (ASYLUM) it does have scenes of him using his yellow lightsaber.
Disney should litterally make the old republic TV series around this era.
A trilogy or saga would be better
@Luke Muncaster TV show fleshes it out better but a movie/trilogy would look amazing. A TV series leading to a movie would be crazy tho
@@scarecrow9868 I agree
We need movies of this era. There are so many possibilities.
Well done, man. This was excellent.
Been playing the classes in SWTOR and have been wondering how Sidious is considered "The strongest Sith to ever live" considering he only reigned for a few decades and certainly didn't do a quarter of the things Vitiate did. Forget about lifespan, and percentage of their life spent actually in power of the Empire. Granted, Sidious *did* wipe out the Jedi, in practicality at least. But Vitiate ruled for a looooong time and lived through just so many different people and lives. Just touching so much throughout his life.
Valkorian never ruled the galaxy. Yeah, he lived for much longer than sideous but I honestly think that in combat sideous would win due to his incredible lightsaber skills and power in the force. They were both really smart and they honestly had similar goals but in the end they both failed.
I think it’s the sheer control sidous had. You can suck the souls out of all the planets you want, rule several skeleton empires in the unknown regions, and be an immortal “god” but we never mention Vitiate/Valk without some form of open conflict or him hiding. He never held the galaxy with such a iron grip (even for a brief time) to where to only “rebellion” is small cells of insurgents that take literal acts of plot to make work.
Palpatine is an inherited nepotism-baby though. All of his success comes from the groundwork laid during the last 1000 years through the rule of 2.
Don’t forget, Darth Plageuis wasn’t killed until RotS. Much of what transpired wasn’t because of palps, but instead his master.
First. Also Darth Vitiate/Emperor Valkorion is easily one of my favorite Star Wars characters
Its so easy to say that this should just be its own film, but it would be veryyyyyyy difficult to pull off. Vitiate's reign spanned over 1,000 years, there's just no way to cover all that ground in a movie or even a trilogy and have it make sense. You'd have no continuity of protagonists, because Vitiate lives for so long, a Jedi's lifetime is a nap for him, so you'd have no central hero to root for. You'd have to chop it up, and split it into three different time periods of his life. The end of the hyperspace war where he gained immortality and flees into exile/ His initial onslaught against the republic and rivalry with Revan/ His final push as Valkorian.
Great i would love this series
You’re probably right. It would be a story as complex as The Rings.
he's the best thing in star wars hands down.
There so many good star war stories.....why did they have to destroy Luke's story
?? "They" didn't
@@stargatecommand714 It is when they make him unlearn everything he learned throughout the original trilogy just to have him kill himself and go out like a b***.
@@Lobsterwithinternet lmao guess saving the Resistance, reigniting your legend, and showing your opponent they're not as all powerful as they think they are means you "go out like a b"
@@stargatecommand714 Rofl Rose crashing into Finn did more to delay the First Order than Luke killing himself to troll Kylo did. If he really wanted to show how weak they were, he would have destroyed that entire force using the Force while leaving Kylo alive knowing Luke spared him.
And Luke was already a legend throughout the galaxy before TFA, as Rey herself confirms.
@@Lobsterwithinternet you're missing the point if you wanted the EU Grand Master Luke to show up and stomp everyone. Luke did the most Jedi thing we've ever seen in the movies, he used the Force to truly defend and protect, not attack and kill, taking Yoda's teachings to their full extent.
Notice how I said "reigniting"
I really love the ads every 3 min
I would love a remastered version of the game.
More fire. Thank you for your work. Best lore channel yet. I am one with the force, the force is one with me
I really wish they would make an old Republic movie
The Vong invading during peak Sith empire would have been amazing to read
I dont know why star wars movies continue to focus on the Skywalker line so much when these awesome characters exist in the lore! This is the movie trilogy I want!
Because most of this stuff didnt exist before the prequels and obviously didnt exist before the originals. Cant say the same for the sequels. They shouldve just went with the old republic instead copying the original trilogy
Yes! Same. Really, any story I come across with Skywalker…I just skip it and find something OR.
@@aleksii_I’m glad they did, otherwise they’d ruin the OR too.
Will you ever do a lore on Darth Raven?
I wish we could get an animated show of the eternal empire with the voice actors.
A God has no need for a Family.
Love him as a Villan a movie on this man needs to be made
The reason Arcann’s force lightning was different was because he was trained in the unique force traditions of Zakuul. Those traditions where neither light or dark by nature.
Sideous was trying to recreate what Valkorian did but failed
Great video as always tho!!
Valkorian's undoing was having offspring. He should have gotten snipped and wore protection.
Good job!
Should have been the villain of Rise of Skywalker.
One of the best SW sagas, better than anything generated by the Disney/Lucasfilm group.
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"I don't always one-shot my enemies with force lightning, but when i do... it's to some of the most powerful Sith ans Jedi in the galaxy...with one hand." Emperor Valkorian aka The Most Interesting Emperor in the Galaxy 😆is it just me or does this dude look like the Most Interesting Man in the World
True He is the best most powerful and most interesting emperor in galactic history ❤❤❤
one reason I favour Valkorion more is his dressing style.
First of all, this guy makes sidious look like a school girl. And second to just shadow what everyone else has said why havent they made a movie about this? Honesty watching this is almost better than all of the star wars movies i know ima get alot of hate for that but imagine a real(not Disney) but a rater R star wars movie would be F'in amazing!!!
None from me. You’re right on.
It’s not Arkaaaan it’s Arcan 💀😂
The audiobook Revan is awesome they have a couple chapters about Lord Viciate I would like to know who the hero of Typhon is
This could be the greatest star wars film saga ever made if Disney would allow true creativity to happen at Skywalker films.
Arkan didn't pin anything on the Outlander, it was The Outlander that struck Valkorion down. Stabed him in the back, and I believe the Outlander said you should have killed me when you had the chance and Valkorion responded so be it and started to laugh and then his spirit then entered the outlander's body and slowly started the process of grooming him into his next vessel while he was encased in carbonite.
Yes true man. Arcann killing valk is just the uncanon dark ending when outlander kneels. But outlander would never kneel to hus worst enemy so He killed valk.
Actually it depends on what you pick, if you kneel then Arcan stabs him
@1qplayer626 There is a storyline it actually makes sense to pick it in, if you go the Sith Warrior route you end up having a very close connection with Valkorian BEFORE the stab happens so it would make sense to kneel
We need a complete lore video on Revan
The second most powerful in all of Star Wars. Other than all the other stuff, lol.
This game proves that sith can become force ghosts too.
Yes true and even gods
@@1qplayer626like in the anime fairy tail.
They always can become force ghosts
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul yes my emperor
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul yeah but anakin turned back to the light before dying.
Heh, imagine being the squad assigned to train the twins and Vaylyn - prolly pissed they get to be glorified baby sitters. Then BAM! They get their armor and helmets shrunk.
This is great stuff, Stup.’ I’m kinda new to SW, love history, and have really gravitated to the Old Republic and earlier; thus far, stories related to the Eternal Empire have been my favorites. This documentary listens like a history class! Which I guess it is, but you’ve done a great job at making it like a college course summary, getting all of us students motivated to dig into the deeper backstories.
Stopped watching this part way through to avoid spoilers. Maybe I should go back and pick up where I left off with SWTOR? Don't recall quite how far I got into the content with Valkorian but it wasn't too deep and it was many years ago since I last played it.
He absolutely eclipsed the power of sidious, it's not really comparable
Darth Sidious vs VALKORION would be an interesting fight
I wanna know what his lightsaber looks like and the meaning behind all of the golden lightsabers
Just started star wars old republic again been 11 years since last log in surprisingly 2 of my characters were still there lost my counselor and sith sorcerer
I don't believe for a second that sideous is more powerful than some of the ancient sith. Better at scheming yes but we have never seen or heard of him doing anything close to what we've heard of some of the ancient sith do.
Same. Maybe it’s because we ‘know’ him so much more, but I never thought he was all that, and a bag of chips. But I think Palpatine ruined him for me; I found him instantly unlikeable as a smarmy politician (as intended by the writers) so I subconsciously minimized his power as compared to the old days.
This is precisely why I like books, audio comics, fan films, and dedicated Lore channels so much more than theater films. Sure, special effects are great, but really bad writing and character development, bad acting, and plot abuse can REALLY ruin a story and particular characters for me…I never cared for (don’t blast me) Mark Hamil, so I could never get onboard with Luke; that adolescent actor who played Anakin, ugh - thank God Vader has his mask; C3P0, I just want to dismember; the Ewoks, annoying little ankle biters. But then there’s Rogue One - loved it, loved everything about it, and am genuinely interested in reading/watching stories about the characters. If the entire theater film opera was like Rogue One, I’d be all over them; if The Old Republic and old Sith could be written about like it…so awesome. If not, disney needs to just walk right on my and leave anything BBY alone.
Fortunately, I found a way to solve this hangup - after partway through Solo, I just stopped watching disney films.
Lol the emperor formally known as vitiate
Nice
Disney wouldn't do it cus there's no girl power bs in it.
Shhhh, I’m hoping disney doesn’t know about the Old Republic. Especially given Team DIE Activist’s penchant for rewriting history.
He was way more powerful than Sidious
True❤❤❤
Valin will make The Acolyte wish they never existed
Disney needs this movie
Disney needs to go bankrupt so another studio gets SW - one that’s actually a fan of the story.
Oh wow, he pretty much made a thought bomb... how original. Does he make a planet that destroys other planets too?
Arcann was the one who gave her gifts.
No thexan brought the gifts from the World He conquered. Thexan said it himself
@@1qplayer626yes
He is one of maybe five sith that actually deserve the title of Darth(even though he doesn’t use it).
Vitiate, Adas, Marka Ragnos, and Tulak Hord. I feel like the last one isn’t either Revan or Sidious, but it’s not coming to mind at the moment
Why does Darth Vader not deserve to be a Darth. Or bane and malgus?
@@cngotham4111 Vader was always weaker than Sidious, or at least he was when he no longer had reason not to try to take over. Bane I don't know, he was a good fighter but I feel that ruling because you tricked everyone else into killing themselves doesn't make you a real leader. Malgus because in SWTOR we beat him several times. There should be strict standards for a title like Darth, I think.
@@amberkat8147I kinda agree, but the nature of the Sith is to not have honor, and be all about themselves and their own lust for more power. The best backstabber wins.
Are there any Star Wars Novels or comics that cover the time of Valkerion, the Eternal Fleet his twins etc? I just started the novel”Revan” but not sure where it takes place in the timeline. The videos I’ve seen of some of the Old Republic games show the twins but not sure where it takes place in the timeline. It all looks very interesting.
spoilers of course.
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After revan was defeated a second time by vitiate, he was imprisoned in a prison in deep space past a magnetic field that no one can get through and tortured for 300 years. Vitiate, his dread masters and scientists tested many things on him, which made led him to become the shadow of revan after his death. This was his most powerful version. The story picks after the shadow of revan tries to revive the emperor only to have the emperor kill everything around him and devour yet another planet (ziost) leaving it lifeless like nathema. He "combined" with his other half valkorion and was back to full power and then some, that is when he sent archann and thexan to start attacking and easily defeating both the republic and empire in the outskirts.
After humiliating defeats, darth marr decided to call for volunteers from both the empire and republic to join together to find and kill the emperor for good. And that is where the zakuul storyline begins. It is a very good story, but makes no sense if your toon isn't a force user.
@@davidk2023yes it is a cool story
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Fanatic of the old republic))) Darth Krayt easily speedblits Valkorian
No bro cap krayt didnt live as long
Can definitely tell Bioware's D-team wrote this dude's story, lol.
The greatest Sith to ever exist
Beyond the sith.
Help this man out
To be played by Val Kilmerian
Reminds me a lot of that fifth faction added to Eve Echoes 🤔
Whoa I haven’t been on Battlefront 2 in years, they added old republic hero’s???
They're mod skins.
@@Lobsterwithinternet oh ok. Thanks!
they need to make more cartoons dave
Can't wait to see how you might use new AI tools to bring these to life! Consider.
i believe vitiate is stronger than palpatine because we havent seen a single feat as strong as vitiates force powers
He not though it already been confirmed Sidious is the strongest sith to have ever lived
@@karmst1996 that’s because it’s not canon anymore tho? Like what did palpatine do what vitate couldn’t yeah palpatine was smarter but what’s his crazy power
@@karmst1996 There is NO WAY Sidious would ever have beaten Vitiate. Vitiate would have mopped the floor with Palpatine. I don't care what Disney or anyone else says. Saying Sidious was stronger is just not supported by the actual media.
@@rishisaaptacha that’s a good point
One quick question. Did Lucas write all of this? Never knew about Nihilus, Revan and more. Did he write all of this?
(And Nihilus is too underrated)
No lucas did not know about These EU characters unfortunately.
@@1qplayer626Did he write any of it after the fact, or have a role in story- and timelines?
@@ronjon7942 nah These chara were developed by other authors, game developers etc. That was never Georges Dominion. But He made contracts with them and let them create things.
What’s the song in the background
This is why I always said the eternal empire was better than the galactic
They should do a show on him hear me Disney plus
The mother married the darkest lord then is upset when her kids r evil lol
Why she married him was explained in the old republic game
Laf, yeah, he was a jolly good chap until Vitiate.
Its like red alert 3. Suddenly the rising sun came out of nowhere (well due to time change)
Actually it is stated that Zakuuluns did not wield either the dark nor the light side, rather their strength in the force was based on their commitment to their leader or to Zakuul itself. This dialogue takes place between the Outlander and Lana within the 3rd chapter of KOTFE. This would most probably extend to Thexan & Arcann as well as to his sister Vaylin, although clearly both Arcann & his sister Vaylin exhibited actions that would be considered dark in retrospect. (Thexan never got a chance to rule as he was slain - possibly accidently - by Arcann (when Arcann was trying to kill Valkorian - see beginning montage of chapters for KOTFE)
The only one who really seemed to use the "neutral" aspect of the Force is Thexan. Arcann and his sister were clearly darksiders and Vailyn never cared for Zakuul or her father and yet she was the strongest
@@odd-eyes6363yes arcann did everything for his father while vaylin wanted to be free from him and get revenge
So is eternal empire sith?
No - there were three teams. The Sith Empire, the Galactic Republic, and the Eternal Empire.
The Eternal Empire had finally been defeated by the Alliance (no, not the Rebel Alliance), and became the Eternal Alliance - which was probably the most powerful of the three, because it had the Eternal Fleet, along with the Gravestone starship with its OmniCannon. The Gravestone was no joke.
The entire Eternal Fleet, and then the Gravestone, were annihilated over Nathema in a battle with the Order of Zildrog. This reduced the strength of the Eternal Alliance to a fraction of what it was, although it still had a respectable navy of ‘normal’ ships. Several member planets left the Alliance, presumably joining either the Sith Empire or the Galactic Republic; I don’t know if any stayed completely independent.
When war between the Sith Empire and the Galactic Republic resumed, the Eternal Alliance allied, and eventually joined, the Galactic Republic, becoming no more. And then there were two…
Imagine vitiate performed that ritual on courascant
Can't Disney make a movie about Valkorian & Family💫👹🧔🏻💫 🎥🎬?... I'd watch it
It's true from a certain point of view... Thexan did die during the war.