They're correct in that 2D animation has too many limitations, but that's because of how Disney operates now. Disney is creating the movie as they're writing the script, and they're constantly altering shit on the fly. 3D allows them to change things. With 2D, you _really_ need to have a story ready with a full-on storyboard and make sure you know how the movie is going to play out before you even begin animating. This requires a level of planning, creativity, and cohesion that modern Disney no longer has. 2D is designing the plane, building it, and flying it. 3D is designing the plane and building it while you're in the middle of flying it.
Correct, and a further wrinkle is that this mindset has extended to live-action CGI in how directors treat it. They've reportedly become notorious for altering entire scenes a dozen times AFTER work on the CGI has begun, which adds MORE time into getting the CGI looking right, and that time investment is something I don't think they're cognizant of anymore; some CGI ending up rushed to meet deadlines cause they've had to do so many redos they've run out of time. It's a systemic problem, and it's become obvious directors are losing discipline when storyboarding and are burning through budgets on redos, the appreciation for maintaining a tight project has been lost. On 2D animation it's even more disappointing cause the better Japanese studios have refined combining 3D into their work to elevate their work to a jaw-dropping degree...that could have been Disney if they hadn't purposefully killed their animation department.
@@SalinaMoonfall And I consider myself as someone who can't make up their mind on anything, but this is whole new level of imcompetence to make decisions
I would honestly feel embarrassed if I was Disney. When I read that interview all I could think about was Quasimodo climbing Notredame during the Sanctuary scene. Disney allowed itself to unlearn the craft that they perfected just for the sake of churning out more products and making more money.
@@sofiacunha6119 I agree as soon as I saw “2D has too many limitations” I thought of treasure planet, hunchback of Notre Dame, brother bear, HELL EVEN OUTSIDE OF DISNEY, PRINCE OF EGYPT! it’s such a flippant answer to excuse the fact they fired most of their 2D animators and in their minds it’s too much money to get new ones or hire them back because 1 3D animator can do work it would take nearly 30 2D animators to do.
And did silly quirky weird woman but it’s okay cause she’s pretty made sense. She’s weird because her only social interactions is one human, books, and a chameleon. And she’s also not immediately accepted. She was even originally too weird for literal weirdos in the ugly duckling. Then she fit in with them because she’s fun but also just like them. Asha is silly weird but it’s okay cause she’s pretty, as her entire personality trait
As someone who IS an animator... That Disney, of ALL STUDIOUS ON EARTH, refused to make a 2D animation on their 100th year cuz it would be, in essence, "too hard" is both dissapointing and insulting
Netflix also showed with Arcane you can blend 2D and 3D very well. One of my fondest memories is way back when the first time I went to Disney World they were animating Lilo and Stitch. I got to go to the MGM studios and see them making frames and showing off concept art. It was so cool. Also lazy how they complain about hand-drawn animation. The recent episodes of One Piece anime that aired showed what a modicum of effort takes to make a really neat concept come to life. If Toei can afford it Disney definitely can.
@@Flufferz626 Considering how Toei often cheaps out on One Piece with its terrible pacing, the gonzo animated sequences from time to time make the anime worth watching. (One Piece's story and characters, of course, make both the manga and the anime adaptation special.)
@@RanMouri82 didn't some animator leave Warner Bros for Toei? Tbh the most beautiful anime this current season is Freirin. Which is sad because it is Kyoani survivors. Maybe I'm biased because I play D&D and like Goblin Slayer too. Strikes me as a campaign from 3.5e
@@hannah_xddd yeah, not like the expense and time investment might be worth the genuine, respectful tribute and reverence for a century-old medium, and also even fit a given story better than 3D, which is a different medium and therefore suited to different material...
The Huntsman from Snow White is probably the most underrated character in Disney’s library. He’s the oldest example of a redemption arc in the company’s history and yet nobody ever mentions that.
I’ve always liked John Silver from Treasure Planet. The Huntsman may have protected Snow White, but Silver is the only Disney villain to end a film being best friends with the protagonist and hugging them goodbye.
@@jupiterlantern2601 I always believed that since she immediately went down to the lab, she didn't have time to order the execution... This, he gets away Scott free
Especially since Beauty and the Beast in the 1990’s was 2D and the ballroom scene and Be Our Guest still make me feel childlike wonder at 25 years old. They fired everyone who was talented and tell the ones who give suggestions to can it I guess, only explanation for such a talented studio to make something this shallow
“She said that 2D had too many limitations in terms of camera movements and characterization.” Show her Klaus and ask her to comment and I guarantee you she’ll have no rebuttal. She’s just Lazy.
I heard a few people say that Disney intentionally sabotaged their final 2D movies so they could have an excuse to exclusively switch to 3D animation faster so this wouldn’t surprise me
Idk if people remember but The Princess & the Frog did "Wish" better. Tiana is a hard-working lady and she did not take shortcuts in achieving her dreams. Even if she was given the chance to use (evil) magic to get her wish, she fought it and it was awarded at the end. Asha however... she wants everyone to have their wishes back which is so shallow. Her as a character is so one-note. I don't see the point of the movie because not all wishes should be granted.
Agreed! I loved the princess & the frog because it teaches an actually meaningful message and still gives us a happy ending. They sponsored this film with “be careful what you wish for” and then the movie is about how every wish deserves to be granted? Makes zero sense to me
I adore Tiana and Naveen’s dynamic, they both start off as complete opposites on the spectrum, but end up as more balanced people because of each other
PATF is definitely the best fit for a “return to form” Disney movie. The dreams don’t fall into Tiana’s lap at all and she’s mostly miserable, having the drive for hard work but no direction. It’s only after interacting with new friends and getting new perspectives that she stops being bitter and learns what she actually wants to do and not a vague “i want to fulfill my dad’s dream.” Naveen was a great co protagonist because he has the opposite perspective where he has zero drive for working but knows he wants a carefree life where he can just enjoy the arts versus his noble responsibility. I think the message of that movie about finding your own direction, improvising when things inevitably don’t go your way, is a lot more relevant now actually with how many kids are expected to immediately go into lifelong careers fresh off high school. Wish is almost the opposite lmao. Holding onto lost, vague dreams as long as possible until it just happens with no new revelations. “You were always right” is the motto for new Disney stories. It’s a little depressing.
Magnifico and wish as a whole feels like they couldn't decide what route the were gonna go, they wanted a sympathetic villain who's only trying to protect his kingdom from evil wishes? Or a monster who consumes peoples deepest wishes to remain powerful? You cant have both
I really feel like there was a split between the writers there. If there had been more time to choose one or the other, or reconcile those two parts of the character better, Magnifico could have been a truly great villain.
Here's how you get both, have an evil wish born from malice corrupt him while he seals it away with the other wishes. So now people think he's a jerk for some odd reason who's refusing to Grant anyone's wish this year but is doing his best to fight the evil inside him. Then when he's beaten we get an even bigger bad guy in the form of the malice wish.
He's the (main) reason this story fails; his character flips so suddenly that his valid reasons for being concerned about wishes now hold no weight. It no longer mattered that he was traumatized as a youth, that he built a safe haven and that people still took him for granted. He offers no challenge to Asha's ideals and thoughts, nor her growth as a character.
@@OpticalSorcerer I think asha didn't get growth since she was always in the right, I do wish magnifico had a turning point, maybe caused by star's magic, maybe the talking animals makes the citizens panic or asha herself with her inexperienced destroys a building with her magic, that would have gave more reason for magnifico to be desperate enough to use the book and teach asha about the responsibility of wishes and magic as a whole
@@cesar6447 I mentioned to someone in another video that Asha becomes a candidate to be Magnifico's apprentice, but it's never said why he needs one, especially when he constantly says "I decide what everyone deserves," and he doesn't seem to know Asha at all, so how was she a candidate? Disney could've expanded on "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" from "Fantasia" and make Asha the "I know what's right" and grant dangerous wishes that proves Magnifico's point and makes him so angry, he starts destroying wishes.
In the drafts for this movie the King and the Queen were both going to be evil. We were robbed 😭 we could've had a Morticia and Gomez duo but evil. And the wishing star was supposed to be human like and a love interest for Asha. THE POTENTIAL THIS MOVIE HAD
I mean, seeing how badly they screwed over Magnifico, I doubt Amaya would've been better. Plus I'm iffy about her being a villain; they literally BUILT Rosas and made it safe (at least in the original version). For some reason, it feels weird to make both of them evil and then kill/prison/banish them when they built the kingdom from the ground up.
They could've done a story inspired by "The Fisherman and His Wife" or "The Sorcerer's Apprentice"--stories that could've taken this to a new level--but they settled for mediocrity.
Y'know it could've been interesting for Asha and Magnifico to be the Sorcerer and the Apprentice dynamic. I think that might've been one of the ideas, but it seemed to got scrapped in replacement to what we got?
@@janier.5674 The writing is very poor. TSA would've fit the story they wanted to tell. It's kinda confusing, since it's never explained why Magnifico needs an apprentice, nor does he want one, given his controlling nature--plus he didn't know Asha, so how she's a candidate is beyond me. And Magnifico seems too powerful to be so easily defeated: memory manipulation, shapeshifting, and whatever the heck was going on with his mirror/reflections makes him seem like Asha just had plot armor.
I always wanted to see an adaptation of The Crane Wife... with the caveat that they keep the original ending. No last second happy ending, you keep the original lesson about betraying trust and rip my heart out.
It's not like they actually care tho. They have all the money in the world. They can just make another one and it'll make enough money for them. Granted, it won't be in the billions, but a million dollars is enough for them, am I right? They realized that they didn't have to try after all, as long as they're getting richer and richer. And if someone dares to outperform them, they can just buy them to eliminate the competition. They're virtually unstoppable. And we're completely powerless to do anything about it because this is the exact kind of thing our American government is encouraging.
The Line about it being "too hard" and a "limitation on camera movements and characterization" is Complete Bull. I know this because a little movie called KLAUS exists. It's not that they can't, it's that they don't want to put in the effort to be innovative anymore. Disney's entire goal with his company was to be innovative. He blew money on movies just to see if he could make something work. 3D is amazing, fantastic, but Disney is no longer interested in pushing boundaries. They've found something that works and they don't want to move.
They actually do similar stuff in their previous films like the ballroom scene in Beauty and the Beast and the scenes where the camera swoop around the forest with Tarzan sliding and swinging around in Tarzan, to give a few. They had already did it in the past and did it successfully! It is not that it is more difficult but either they are so lazy to put the effort or they lost the skills and knowhow. After reading that excuse I was flabergasted. So much for a celebration of their hundred years of animation! To pull such an excuse out of their ass just tells you how low they have fallen.
@@Kromiball Actually that’s a misconception. The sweat and tears had nothing to do with the actual difficulty of animating, and it was just that the Japanese studio higher ups refused to give them enough time to draw everything, out of plain greed. And with every movie, even less time was given- it was a whole thing. Look it up.
As a wannabe animator, I honesty find Wish to be insulting to the medium of animation. It's such a shame that Disney has started to neglect the one thing that it has founded it's entire identity on. And the competition in terms of animation is really surpassing. We have Arcane, Invincible, Dreamworks, Sony, Scavengers Reign and even indie teams releasing their own short films and series on TH-cam, like Lackadaisy and Helluva Boss. Even a new Studio Ghibli film showing that aging does not equate to decline in quality and freshness.
I'm personally not a fan of hybrid animation (though "Wish" didn't look NEARLY as bad as everyone made it out to be), so I wish they'd done 3D or 2D instead.
This is just rumor, but it's thought that the CEO of Disney, Bob Iger dislikes traditional animation, pointing at all the live action Disney remakes, how they tried to pass off Lion King as "live action", and of course the abandonment of their traditional animation studio as evidence for it
@@MrToothpicks I feel like Dreamworks should also get that scrutiny since they also only do 3D and are making a live-action remake of HTTYD. Plus I think Chris Buck or Bob Iger said Disney would be open to possibly returning to 2D.
@@OpticalSorcerer honestly, at this point them saying they’re ”open” to something feels like empty promises. People (or at least I have) have wanted for years that Disney retuned to 2d movies (there was some talk about that possibility around Raya and the Last Dragon as well), and it’s almost like they’re keeping it in their back pocket as a backup plan of a backup plan in case all else fails.
I think even if this movie is so focused on aiming 'for kids', I think even as a kid I'd roll my eyes because children deserve better films with more depth, not something that feels like a short film with missing parts. Like the Princess and the Frog had a better 'wish' message which is about working hard for that dream.
Princess and the Frog really is the better throwback princess movie. Great songs, great villain, and a modern take on the theme of wishing and using your own efforts to make your dreams come true. Plus the animation is wonderful.
I don't think a kids will understand the meaning of the story tho, except if their parent explain it to them or if the kids care enough about "life" or "the meaning of the movie u just watch". I remember when i was a kid, and watch The princess and the frog for the first and last time.. what i can remember until now is, they became a frog.. i don't even remember how the story was, also i don't like frog back when i was a kid and that movie is something i don't see it pretty, fun or cute to watch and memorable moment as a kid. Kids might be like Wish more cause there is a lot pretty, cute, and colorful magical scene in the movie with a bunch of animal singing. While as an adult, i don't really like Wish cause the story was not as my expect it going to be.. but the song was beautiful and the art looks pretty at some scene.
@@araven2293 I don’t think this is a valid point, because there are kids who definitely do appreciate the storyline. When I was a kid, I cried at Inside Out because I understood what was happening, and somewhat related to it despite being very young. I was the type to analyze things in my head, even if they weren’t good analysis’ lol. Anyways, my point is that kids aren’t dumb, they’re just like any other person.
@@cupio-stardust Yea, there could be children who are like u, but also not all children have thoughts like u too, thats why im saying "except if the kids care enough about life".. then when u say that u were still a kid when the inside out came out, maybe there are differences in our eras, parenting or living in different country. When i was a kid, i do understand the story, feeling sad, happy or scared when watching, but im not really care if the story was bad or not even tho i know the meaning of the story.
A reason why my children will watch the movies from my childhood instead of all these modern trainwrecks. Modern movies in a nutshell: The story is crap. It doesn't teach a valuable lesson kids can understand. I was confused while watching Wish in theatres. My best friend and I are aspiring story writers, and we went to see the movie together. Afterward, we were able to come up with some tweaks to the story that Disney put before us that literally would make things more consistent and have a story that makes sense. We did it in under 30 minutes too. A good kids' movie after all is a movie that can be enjoyed by all ages watching it. I remember rewatching so many old movies from my childhood and catching things I NEVER did as a kid. That made it still enjoyable to watch, not just for nostalgia's sake. They have jokes and other little things in them that fly over kids' heads, but can still be picked up by the adults watching with them. Disney has lost everything that made it magical during my childhood. The writers are still good, it's the greedy producers on top who ruin the story to "play it safe" and "make the most money".
7:16 Also, in the hunchback of notre dame song “Out There” there’s a lot of really great camera movement. It does exactly what a 3D animation clip could do.
I also hate the movies title. When you say the title, we read it as “Disney’s Wish”. As if it was Walt’s “wish”. But knowing how stubborn, creative, and how much of a perfectionist Walt was, he’d absolutely DESPISE this movie.
I've been hating the one word titles Disney has been doing recently. I think it was Cars that started it, but now they have Wish, Encanto, Tangled, Frozen, Coco, Moana, etc. They use simple titles that are made to be easy for children to say, but they explain absolutely nothing about the movies themselves. Literally any movie about anything could be called "wish." There is zero creativity and I cannot stand it.
@@LinkiePup Encanto and Moana work, but Tangled should've been ''The tangled adventures of Rapunzel'' or something, and Frozen ''The snow queen'' or '''The show kingdom''. Also Brave can count, it was going to be ''the bear and the bow'' or something like. And yes, Wish title is so uninspired.
I watched The Lion King last week for the first time since I was a toddler, and all I could think was that they really do not make them like that anymore. I was shocked what they were able to get away with in that movie, it’s truly a masterpiece in family animation with a touching story about death and power and learning from your past. Wish reviews started coming out the next day, and the whiplash I got watching those was intense lol. Completely drove home how far Disney has fallen in recent years. Disney’s corporate greed seems to have infiltrated the entire company at this point. Bob Iger just announced Frozen 4 and we don’t even have Frozen 3 yet. They’re doubling down on all the unnecessary sequels and remakes even though it clearly is only hurting them. Every studio they’ve boughten has had the life and creativity sucked dry from it and now even their core animation studio is falling victim to the same fate. The decisions of these executives will eventually cause the entire company to eat its own tail.
Funny you should mention lion king specifically, because lion king was the blacksheep project to the golden child project that is pochahontas and didn't get much support from the company. Ironically despite that the lion king did far better with the audience and most critics.
Iger literally said that the reason recent movies aren't doing well is because they were filmed during covid and therefore didn't have ENOUGH EXECUTIVES ON SET 😭 like my guy has completely missed the point
Magnifico stayed in power for so long because, as his song says, he allows people to live their for free, listens to their complaints HIMSELF, and basically provides everything for them. Him granting anyones wish shows he is still a good king beause, he's right, not everyone's wish should be granted if they're unrelastic or dangerous and the movies narrative is inherently flawed and dangerous for children to say otherwise. Until Magnifico goes full evil because of the book, he is the hero and ahsha is the stupid 17 year old naive villain.
On the face of it, the king is a really cool protag. He grants wishes that are good for the community, denies wishes that are bad for the community but removes that desire from the person so that they won't long for something they cannot have. Seriously that's a pretty great magical king.
His concern about wishes being bad is also fair, and the fact that he can't do em all because he is ONE MAN. And its not as if it's his only job. He is a king, take all the work a king must otherwise do (if you must, subtract tax collection lol), and now you add this extra, skilled job. And while this movie gives 0 details on the magic system, this has to take some amount of time and energy to do. Isn't that the whole point of this guy trying to get apprentices? To pass on the duties or get this done faster? She missed the point where 'granting all the other wishes' would most likely become her (and any future apprentices') job.
Iger is the whole problem This story could’ve been using the concept arts they have , having an evil power couple & the star as a Shapeshifter. this would be more interesting than what we get. But no, the corporate just had to screw it
I have the feeling that the element of "people not remembering the wishes" was made at the last minute to lead to the villain's actual purpose cuz nothing really justifies the second half's character change.
I think it does make thematic sense. If the theme of the movie is the importance of wishes, then it does make sense that the main threat would be a villain that can take these wishes away.
@@cartoonishidealism582 yeah, I know where you going, but I still feel that they (the writers) thought it was not enough so they made that without thinking too much about it cuz you don't know if there was a way to grant a wish by bubble without the memory wipe.
ikr? that was something that would make me believe he's evil, because there's no need to take away the wishes. That being said, they pulled that one at last minute so he will be ''mean omg''
I'm really disappointed in Wish, especially when looking at rough drafts and artwork where the Queen would be as crazy like her husband.. We literally could have a villian couple that was like Gomez and Morticia.
Disney animator now: 2d animation has too many limitations when it comes to camera angle. Disney animators of the 2Oth century: *makes beauty and the beast ball room dance scene*
"She said 2D had too many limitations in terms of camera movements and characterization." It's either 2D animation is too limited or you guys are just lazy.
My guess: Disney has gutted their 2D abilities since a lot of the animators with 2D animation experience have left. She told her higher ups that she wanted to do the movie in 2D, but when she told them what it would cost and how long it would take, they told her no, so she's saying that it was a creative decision because of the limits of 2D animation to save face and not hack off her bosses. I don't have any evidence for this, but it would make sense.
More like Disney gutted their 2D department and trained artists and they realized that they had no artists that can truly do 2D so they chosen a hybrid or fully 3D.
They say they fired most of the veteran animators and only had new talent working on this film, and it seriously shows. A veteran animator would have been able to make the visual style work. and a lot of the shots look like they just demo reel showcase shots rather than shots for a film. The animation is even a bit off, too jumpy energetic, with every pose feeling like an extreme.
The "2d animation has too many limits" sounds like an excuse to not use 2d, because unlike 3d animators.. 2d animators are unionized and would cost more
@@phyrio I did not know that, thank you for letting me know. There's a bunch of factors that go into film costs, so it's hard to say what caused Wish to cost so much more than Klaus (aside from Disney typically having ridiculous budgets).
Calling it a "shell" implies it got smaller until it no longer resembled its former glory. THIS is more like adding a gallon of water to a teabag trying to get more tea. It's too much.
After watching this movie incant help but feel that Asha was the real villain even if she had good intentions. True Magnifico had bad traits but he ruled a peaceful kingdom and so there was conflict for no good reason.
Honestly, i feel like the real villain here is the spellbook. Asha and Magnifico both had flaws but were sincerely trying to help the kingdom (and both were too caught up in their ideas to consider another point of view, which caused the whole story). It only started to really go downhill after the book was used
Yeah people are saying that Magnifico was the type of villain that could actually be redeemed. Maybe HE was the one that needed the character arc..... His paranoia does remind of how the Evil Queen reacted when someone was deemed fairer than her....just a bit though.
@@DrawciaGleam02 It really does ! But Magnifico at least had an understandable motive. He genuinely felt threatened and it brought back painful memories. The Evil Queen... just wanted to be the prettiest for no other reason than just because. It's why i'm kinda disappointed of the ending. He had the potential to be reformed and reasons to be. Not only that but i think it would have been a good ending message for him and Asha to make peace afterwards and work together to build a better future for Rosas, both opening themselves to new ideas and taking inspiration of one another instead of staying stuck in their ways. It feels like a missed opportunity
I think the original idea of making Star a love interest was so much better, if they really wanted to not make your basic romance story they coulda just made them NOT HUMAN or HUMAN aligning by the end like some weird angel
Promised classic songs.... from a composer that makes songs for Justin Bieber. While I would love for that person to be able to be up to the challenge, she would have needed at least a few films to dip her toe into how to make songs for movies and yet she was just tossed right into the fire. Soooo many wrong decisions made for this film
God, I forgot we never found out Magnifico's deal. With that burned tapestry, I figured it was gonna be a thing- his old kingdom got destroyed, maybe in a coup and thats why he's so sensitive to the old guy's wish? Maybe someone had magic and it was used recklessly? I would have *loved* if Asha and Magnifico were kinda both wrong? Magnifico takes people's wishes away if they're vague because he's scared, Asha thinks everyone's wishes should be granted- they're two ends of a spectrum, and in the end they have to come together against an outer threat. The villagers get their wishes back, because fighting for your dream is one of the strongest motivations for every human being. However, some people's dreams are destructive, or selfish, or just banal, and we take that as part of being human. We tackle it on a case-by-case basis if there's a problem. ...brb, I'm off to rewrite a movie.
7:15 Ok. As someone who isn'T an animator BUT a 3d modeler and learning FVX as well (amongst many other things) 2D AND 3D has NO such limitations. The difference is effort and time. With 2D you would need to draw ever frame as it gose. With 3D you can reuse affets with a few clicks bring actors in position them do the animation or long scenes and just place the cameras in different directions and angels. It is not "less limiting" but EASIER. Altough here I should also mention that nothing is stopping you from using 3D and 2D togeather. As in making the animation base in 3D and than drawing the characters based on the rough animation. UFOTable used it for example for their movies.
The really good 2d stuff these days does combine the two techniques but you don't notice. Same way movies that go big on practical effects are still full of CGI but you don't notice it because it is in the background. Look at Fury Road for that.
Tbh a generic commercial cash grab with pretty colors is surprisingly accurate for Disney to announce as a celebration of what this company is all about
Unpopular opinion: the colors aren't that pretty eighter. It looks so grey, dull and washed out. Even freaking Brave had prettier and more vibrant colors that this
You know what’s sad? Is the very company that’s trying to ape off classical Disney villains is DISNEY ITSELF. Disney shouldn’t be having this hard of a time doing something they used to be great at! I hate to bring this up, but I have to: Dreamworks made a great “Disney villain” who had a goal and was hilariously evil- his name was Jack Horner! Take notes, Mouse! Edit: I’m glad to know other people see just how pathetic it is that we have to turn to a Dreamworks movie to get a good Disney villain
It is strange how Jack Horner's gimmick is using the tools of other fairy tale creatures in a needlessly destructive manner Your comment kind of puts that in perspective, especially if you replace "fairy tales" with "beloved existing IPs"
Yeah, if there's one thing Last Wish particularly excelled at, it's the villains. There are three different evil parties and each one of them excels at being a different type. Jack Horner is the evil for the sake of evil villain who stops at nothing to get what he wants, Goldielocks' gang are the sympathetic antagonists with a tragic backstory who you want to see the light and turn around to do the right thing for their family and Death is an unstoppable force of nature who can't truly be defeated. You don't even need all three types at once to have a good story and yet here we are.
@@rainpooper7088 I don’t even see Death as a villain in that movie. Puss was clearly a hubristic little punk who acted like he was immortal and needed to be knocked down a few pegs. I know if I were Death, someone that Puss mocked and laughed at for 8 literal lifetimes, and he was on his last one, I’d want to put the fear of God into him too!#DeathDidNothingWrong
funny how we were all wishing for a classic disney movie, and on the Wish movie poster it said "be careful what you wish for". Not saying they did it on purpose, but i just find it funny after seeing the major flop of this movie.
8:54 I am really exited for the Jack Frost animatics this song is gonna spawn. Also thank you for pointing that out, that song drove me nuts and reverted me back to my Jelsa phase.
Movies like Klaus prove that Disney's 'limitations' in 2D is bullshit. There's obviously thousands more hand drawn animations out there that show what a nearly limitless art that genre is, I just find Klaus to be so close to what Disney is trying (and failing) to achieve, that it's a perfect example. They can still use 3D to boost their animation, like they did for Lion King and Tarzan (and like Klaus does for lighting), but 2D as a base plz. Disney also just need to stop being so safe, and using the same designs over and over and over. Ever since Tangled, their character designs have been so samey that it's boring. They seem to have forgotten that stylistic choices really do add to the story being told (look at something like Hercules or Lilo and Stitch). When you've got animation studios like Sony and Dreamworks bringing out some real big game changers over the last decade, it's really hard to show any support for Disney. I'd genuinely prefer to support a studio like Sony who pumps out absolute shit to keep the money coming in (boss baby, emoji, etc), but then brings out true bangers every few years. I'd take diamonds in a pile of shit, over bland and boring for ever more. Something like Mitchels vs the Machines was more creative, heartfelt, and interesting than anything Disney has produced in well over a decade imo. Plus in regards to Dreamworks, I think Kung Fu Panda and How to Train Your Dragon are way way better stories than much of what Disney create.
If this was 100 years in the making why does it feel like a letdown? It literally feels like someone from Marketing suddenly remembered 2023 was the 100th Anniversary of the studio so they threw a bunch off stuff together.
"Bob Igar, fix the mess you made". That would require responsibility, humility and insite. He is too busy blaming anything or anyone else, its not going to happen, Disney is at a point it needs to fundamentally change or eventually it will be forgotten, it might not be as soon as some might say, but its not an if, its a when.
I would argue that computerized animation is more limited because… well… it’s a computer. Whereas paper, a pencil, and an imagination could explore and overcome more bounds than any other means out there…
Yeah, for 2d the 'limitations' other than budget and time, are skill and imagination/creativity. That's it. With 3d there are very real hardware and software limitations. You see this in the fact that toy story happened bc the animators had limits with the 3d capabilities at the time, and knew that humans looked weird and plastic, so they made their characters plastic toys to get around it. Also Pixars Incredibles had to make their own physics for Violets hair. Happened again for Brave, and Tangled I believe had hair struggles. Coco saw them having to make new physics for the clothes bc the old one didn't work with clothes on skeletons. And Moana had to figure out the water simulation! It's a blatantly bs statement meant to take heat off of Disney refusing to pay unionized 2d animators. Hope 3d animators get the chance to unionize as well.
As far as limitations between 2D and 3D, the only real difference I am aware of is that 3D is faster to bang out. When I was coming up with my senior project for college I was originally going to do 2D. I quickly realized it would take way too long under the time constraints I had and switched to 3D. That’s probably what happened here, they realized that they wouldn’t finish in time, and honestly likely started producing assets before they even had a concrete story line. 100th anniversary! Here’s your happy meal! lol
How to know as an animator that somebody doesn't know SH** about animation? They tell you stuff like " 2D animation is so limiting..." Yeah, I bet the people at Ghibli would be making better films, if they only listened to Jennifer Lee's advice... Please kill me...
How can we forget that Demon Slayer: Mugen Train was the most successful movie from 2020, and I know lockdowns were still commonplace and the majority of its box-office earning came from Japan, but it actually did very well when it was released internationally in early 2021. Same with other anime movies like Jujutsu Kaisen 0 and One Piece Film: Red. Heck, Miyazaki's last movie, The Boy and the Heron, sold over a million tickets in France and the box-office predictions for it U.S. debut look very promising
Read the top comment, then you'll know why. The problem isn't 2D animation itself, it's the production pipeline at Disney and how it's evolved over the past decades.
Disney use CGI since late 80s in certain areas, objects or for camera movements. There's 3D in Great mouse detective (the clock final scene); Oliver (the staircase scene) and in Little Mermaid (the intro with the ship). It is very clear how the 3D works in the most famous scene of Beauty and the Beast > the dance ball scene, the camera movement and the celling. You can use CGI with 2D in a blender beautiful way.
I went to go see this movie on opening night in theatres and I shit you not I was the only one in the entire theatre. Tried to remain quiet and respectful until about two thirds of the way through when I couldn't take it anymore and started outwardly yelling at the annoying characters to shut the hell up. Pretty bold of Disney to have their 100 years of history celebration be a compilation of everything I dislike about their movies, huh?
@@DrawciaGleam02 - Side characters that add nothing - Baby humor - Uninspired character designs - Making up rules as it goes along - Bland pop music that tries way too hard to be a top 40 hit - References that add nothing - Anachronistic vernacular - A general sense of "been there, done that" throughout the entire runtime
Better story idea with much better plot twist: Asha wants to release the Wishes so every wish is granted And the Audience is shown how evil the Sorcerer is. But then it's revealed that Asha is the Daughter of the Sorcerer, and it's just in her rebellious phase and the Sorcerer isn't evil at all. 😅 But oh snap, the Wishes are released, and even the bad ones, causing the Kingdom to fall into chaos. And Asha need to use the Master Wishing Star to undo all the Wishes.
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Disney stops making movies within the next decade. Everything (even non-Disney) seems to just be a remake, spin-off, or continuation of something that already exists, which gains enough attention for people to talk about it and maybe even watch the beginnings of it, but it always ultimately flops... and if it's _not_ a remake of something, it's always so bad that people either poke fun at it online before entirely forgetting about it before it even comes out, or it just is never talked about at all. The only way Disney gets views on new content is by _not_ advertising it so you _have_ to watch to see what it's about at all, but that tactic is already getting old and audiences are already getting wise to the fact that it means "this movie has nothing of interest that we can show you in the trailer without making you realise the movie is just bad." They can use that tactic when advertising events in their parks because if you're there you're there and the visuals are kind of the entire point, but you can't make a movie trailer purely out of cinematic shots intercut with comedic voicelines and the stereotypical deep-voiced narrator rattling off the same old "get ready for an epic adventure" script without actually telling you anything about what the movie is about.
On your points about Star the main villain, what's truly sad is they had some REALLY fun ideas to make them some pretty fun characters that were very classic, but also unique in their own ways. But we... we did not get that... instead what we got was... this...
If it were me, I would make Asha a hardworking and disciplined character. After losing her father, she's sets a goal for herself to help others fulfill their wishes. She studies for years at the king's academy, sucses the final qualifying exam, and is selected. After working with the king for a while, They becane lika a father and daughter the king trusts her and tells her his secrets together with the queen and yes, they are both evil (as in the planning stage) and they tell Asha that some wishes will come true,but some are not and it has a logical explanation that the audience believes this too, and the reason why they can make one wish come true every month is because it is a very powerful spell, the king needs to collect his magic and one wish comes true in one month. Then Asha learns the truth, we have a flashback to the king's past, and Asha is declared a traitor and steals the book and runs away. Then she sings to the star, makes a wish, just like in the storyboards and the star comes and runs away with her. They fall in love on the way and eventually there is a big war, the king captures the book and even more so with the queen. They become stronger and fight with the star, they add the wishes of all the people in the city to their power, everyone faints, and Asha sacrifices herself and casts the spell in the book, there is a huge explosion with the magic power coming from her heart, the stars dance, it's a visual feast, and she learns that she is a fairy, they destroy the evil couple with the star. Since Asha is a fairy, the star actually answered her wish thats why ! for example, It's a huge missed opportunity because the design of the main character is very beautiful and Disney made a princess with this type of hair for the first time and it was just wasted potential. Im sad for the people who want a repisantation of themselves and the animatiors who give their years for this ? This proudact 😒
Why tf would Asha be a fairy? Not only does that make zero sense within the setup of the movie, but it also ruins the whole idea of "When you wish upon a star, doesn't matter who you are" if the stars only answer the wishes of fairies. Not every random twist you can think of for a movie you don't like is a good one, you know.
@@rainpooper7088 uhm because she literlly has a magic wand and become the fairy god mother at the end of the movie ? and relax why are you so angry about it 😂
Why not make magnifico's father the original wish maker, and have him create a wish by mistake which leads to the creation of the book and make that book the reason why the kingdom got distroyed, also add to that magnifico uses the powers he learned from his father to stop the book from distorying anymore. A better back story
I lOvE how Asha grants everybodys wish and is so focused on everybody and everything else around her, she doesn’t focus on herself. She doesn’t get shit, just a wand to help others. Empty, no feeling.
I haven't seen Wish, but I do remember looking forward to this movie, I liked the aesthetic, I liked the idea, it seemed like it had potential, and now, after watching several videos that gave me several brief (but matching, so I'm sure I got it right) summaries I just... I'm disappointed. I still want to see for myself, but I don't understand why they were trying to make a movie for *kids* to celebrate 100 years of Disney when the very first film that made Disney what it is today, Snow White... *was not meant for kids*. Not strictly for kids anyway. It was a film, a work of art, a way to show that animation was fully capable of telling a story people of all ages could enjoy (at least according to the Walt Disney biography book that I read some time ago). But then again, they are willingly throwing poor Snow White under the bus, so... so much for celebrating their legacy and magic. And honestly, a movie with a wasted potential is worse than a bad one. P.S.: Claiming that 2D animation has too many limitations, especially when it comes to characterization of all things, when so many Disney classics are 2D is an insult. And thank you for including Kaguya as one of the examples. It's not my favorite movie, like it just isn't for me personally, but its clever use of its aesthetic is one of the most beautiful things ever. My favorite Ghibli movie is Only Yesterday, and this 2D film got some of the strongest emotions out of me ever.
I said this before, half as a joke, but they were way too concerned about making this dude a 'himbo' than well written. You can have BOTH but that's not what we got.
Honestly, I originally thought the art style isn't that bad. So I didn't understand why people were upset... That is... UNTIL I saw the original golden age Disney again. And then I THINK I saw why WISH's art style felt off. Since WISH's art style it's meant to a nod to the golden age, there should NOT be highlights on the characters. It's just two shades. The base color and the shadow. It's only the background that multiple detailed shading, which includes highlights. THIS was why characters stood out back then. So when they use the multiple shading on the characters EXACTLY like the backgrounds. The characters blend TOO well with the background. They don't pop. Ironically, simplifying the way they colored their characters, in contrast to the beautifully detailed "looking like it was painted" background, MIGHT have helped the over all look. And seeing snow white's hair, it think Asha's hair having white outlines, could have also given her some nice subtle detail.
8:49 so fun fact about “at all costs” it’s actually a carry over from an earlier version of the film in fact the demo version has some different lyrics that push the romantic them they just didn’t want to waste it and I can’t blame them for that
I may be alone in this, but 1:50 showcases a lot of the problems I have with modern animation; I like to call it ADHD animation cause I'm not sure what else to call it. Look it how that magician guy moves compared to the other villians showcased right afterwards. They don't zip around constantly like toddlers compared to what a lot of this newer stuff does. It feels akin to jingling keys for really little kids to me.
So part of it is people are staring at sequences for months animating them and knew where every pixel is but for the audience it moves by top quickly to take in. But the animator is animating for himself and the director. Same way you end up with the battle of can't see anything in Thrones. Looks great on my amazing system I'm not using anything consumer grade for reference.
I will say this, I am extraordinarily glad that I didn’t bother with watching the movie because if I heard that whole message of “go and make your wishes come true using your own strengths,” I think I would actually riot. I’m physically disabled. My disability is a very painful genetic condition that has no cure and no treatment, my wish is for it to be cured or at the very least for me not to have it or for it to lessen to some degree. And good god does being told “your wishes come true if you work hard enough” make me infuriated because you know they put no actual thought into what someone would think when hearing that, especially if they’re in an impossible situation like me.
I miss the days when they’d cast Broadway stars. They bring a different feel, a trademark Disney feel. Even when they started introducing household names like Robin Williams, Danny DeVito, James Earl Jones and Jeremy Irons, they cast stars who cut their teeth on stage, so it retained that musical theatre feeling.
The thing about 2D is that the biggest limitations nowadays is amount time and money needed to support it, something that Disney could easily deal with if they weren’t so focused on cashing in as fast and easy as possible
For the general audience Wish is disappointing but for industry professionals and people trying to break-in it's heartbreaking. It is just so sad to see all the great concepts thrown away, the story simplified to the point it lost all meaning and a new classic turned into an add for toys. So ironic that a story about freedom and opportunity was destroyed by the people on power it "questions", however this disrespect towards their own identity is what is bringing down every piece of Disney down and will inevitably lead to a change. The story of Wish is the sound of animation and Disney screaming for help.
I love the idea of Wish, and that's why I'm so mad! Because it could've been so good! I can see so much potential in it, I could've loved the movie! But I'm stuck with loving the idea of it and being mad at Disney for wasting it
"2D animation is too limiting" *The Boy and the Heron having one hell of a box office opening* Are you sure it's the medium that's limiting you there Disney?
This feels like something that was written by studio notes, saying "Guys, people have been complaining about twist villains, so that has to be a no-go for this one. We have to make sure the audience knows from the beginning that he's the bad guy!" And they didn't put any thought into how to make a real interesting villain with an actual motivation for where his anger comes from. And yeah, let's have the same "funny" sidekicks that Disney's been pumping out since Frozen. That's the biggest insult to me, is that ever since Tangled, Disney has been trying to make their fairy tales have the same humor as Shrek. Shrek is now over 20 years old and it's still remembered and quoted because it *wasn't* made by Disney. And Disney thinking they're gonna blow us away and surprise us with this humor that's 20 years old and think that this is gonna be a classic, it really shows me how out of touch they are and how unwilling they want to try something that's really artistically pleasing. And that's why I want to hear more of the animators and artists at Disney Animation because I'm sure they would love to make a 2D film. I'm not saying all of them, I don't want to overgeneralize. But don't you guys agree that the artists and animators that come to Disney want to create something that's timeless and beautiful to look at? I'm really insulted that Jennifer Lee suggests "2D animation limits camera movement." I personally don't think 2D Animation can "limit" anything. I'm finding out more and more that all the classic Disney hand-drawn films from Snow White all through the decades until 2011's Winnie the Pooh are the films that I will always love and hold near-and-dear and will continue to dissect them and recreate my own drawings of all their 2D films for years to come. I know this is a hot take that Pixar fans will hate me for, but I've grown really bitter against Pixar and computer animation in general, because that's what killed 2D and why we're stuck with this bullshit excuse that "2D limits camera movement." There's nothing new that computer animation can add. Once you've broken all the technology records, what else is there to conquer? 2D Animation doesn't need to be innovative in technology to be timeless, it has to be entertaining and original and enjoyable for years. Here's an idea that can really shake things up for Disney to make another great film: Disney really needs to look at the Spider-Verse films and try to make their own kind of Disney-Verse film. And I don't mean that like the Dark Universe or the Once Upon a Studio special, I don't mean have every single individual character. First you need to find a story that could be told even better with a handful of Disney characters that team up and work off each other with their differences but also their similarities. Just an idea, I can further explain if anyone wants to reply.
Saw Wish a few days after it opened and I was the only one in the theater. Missed the first five minutes cause they didn't even bother playing any previews with no audience. I assumed that the story must've made more sense if you saw it from the beginning, but listening to your criticisms it seems like I didn't miss a thing. Reading the wikipedia plot summary afterwards felt just as substantial as watching the movie itself. Nothing there but surface, and a pretty forgettable surface at that. (Great video, as always)
It’s so insulting that the head of fricking DISNEY says 2D animation is “too limiting” when literally the only limitation is what you can imagine and draw! How can someone look at Studio Ghibli, MAPPA, Cartoon Saloon and even their own history and say that it’s limiting!!!!
YOU MISSED THE WORST LINE IN THE VILLAIN SONG! "I let you live here for free, and i don't even make you pay rent" yeah, dummy, that means the same exact thing
@@DanielGoldhorn And they had to write it without the final script/plot. She can't really be blamed for the music not matching the movie as she had to finish first.
I know this isn't the main topic of the video, but it is wild they released the new Haunted Mansion in July. This is like Hocus Pocus all over again. It originally bombed because they released it in July so it wouldn't compete with The Nightmare Before Christmas, if I remember right. The fact they'd do that again knowing the outcome is so bizarre.
"2D has too many limitations in terms of camera movement and characterization." Me who literally rewatched Beauty and the Beast last week: *You gotta be kidding me.*
If anything with the song Asha and the king, they should've changed it to be the queen. Like if they went with their og vision of the king AND queen being evil then that sound would've worked perfectly without being weird in the actual context of the movie
Hearing a Disney exec say unironically "2D animation has too many limits" makes me imagine that woman with white facepaint, a red nose, and a rainbow wig. With the popularity of Anime right now, think Demon Slayer and Jujutsu Kaisen, HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT??? Disney is run by lazy hacks without an ounce of creativity.
@@DanielGoldhorn Yeah, but compared to Magnifico, Kylo’s up there with Long John Sliver(the Treasure Planet version), Scar and even Vader. Then again, this is coming from the same guy who thinks that if the Sequel Trilogy was written better; he’d even surpass Vader himself as a villain.
@@jackofallclaws6672 It would need to be more than a little better, the biggest issue with the sequels is that they didn’t plan out the trilogy before making it. George Lucas left behind a plan they could of built off of but they scrapped it, they could of even used the extended universe for inspiration but they scrapped that too. The first one, while nothing game changing was ok, the second split the fan base(It was TLOU2 of the franchise) and the third fractured it further. I agree Kylo Ren had potential and it was a shame that they squandered it.
They're correct in that 2D animation has too many limitations, but that's because of how Disney operates now. Disney is creating the movie as they're writing the script, and they're constantly altering shit on the fly. 3D allows them to change things. With 2D, you _really_ need to have a story ready with a full-on storyboard and make sure you know how the movie is going to play out before you even begin animating. This requires a level of planning, creativity, and cohesion that modern Disney no longer has.
2D is designing the plane, building it, and flying it. 3D is designing the plane and building it while you're in the middle of flying it.
Correct, and a further wrinkle is that this mindset has extended to live-action CGI in how directors treat it. They've reportedly become notorious for altering entire scenes a dozen times AFTER work on the CGI has begun, which adds MORE time into getting the CGI looking right, and that time investment is something I don't think they're cognizant of anymore; some CGI ending up rushed to meet deadlines cause they've had to do so many redos they've run out of time. It's a systemic problem, and it's become obvious directors are losing discipline when storyboarding and are burning through budgets on redos, the appreciation for maintaining a tight project has been lost.
On 2D animation it's even more disappointing cause the better Japanese studios have refined combining 3D into their work to elevate their work to a jaw-dropping degree...that could have been Disney if they hadn't purposefully killed their animation department.
@@SalinaMoonfall And I consider myself as someone who can't make up their mind on anything, but this is whole new level of imcompetence to make decisions
THIS!! THIS!!!
I would honestly feel embarrassed if I was Disney. When I read that interview all I could think about was Quasimodo climbing Notredame during the Sanctuary scene. Disney allowed itself to unlearn the craft that they perfected just for the sake of churning out more products and making more money.
@@sofiacunha6119 I agree as soon as I saw “2D has too many limitations” I thought of treasure planet, hunchback of Notre Dame, brother bear, HELL EVEN OUTSIDE OF DISNEY, PRINCE OF EGYPT!
it’s such a flippant answer to excuse the fact they fired most of their 2D animators and in their minds it’s too much money to get new ones or hire them back because 1 3D animator can do work it would take nearly 30 2D animators to do.
I feel like Tangled does a better job at celebrating what made the older Disney movies so beloved while fitting it with a modern audience.
And did silly quirky weird woman but it’s okay cause she’s pretty made sense. She’s weird because her only social interactions is one human, books, and a chameleon. And she’s also not immediately accepted. She was even originally too weird for literal weirdos in the ugly duckling. Then she fit in with them because she’s fun but also just like them. Asha is silly weird but it’s okay cause she’s pretty, as her entire personality trait
If Tangled was the Final Fantasy IX of Disney’s Main Animation Studio, than Wish is the Final Fantasy XV of Disney’s Main Animation Studio.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios And what is FF VII (Remake) in this metric?
@@dohavename6775 the Lion King remake
@@lexderp2766 Also how in the series, not everyone in the kingdom accepts her because of interactions.
As someone who IS an animator...
That Disney, of ALL STUDIOUS ON EARTH, refused to make a 2D animation on their 100th year cuz it would be, in essence, "too hard" is both dissapointing and insulting
Amen to that.
Netflix also showed with Arcane you can blend 2D and 3D very well. One of my fondest memories is way back when the first time I went to Disney World they were animating Lilo and Stitch. I got to go to the MGM studios and see them making frames and showing off concept art. It was so cool.
Also lazy how they complain about hand-drawn animation. The recent episodes of One Piece anime that aired showed what a modicum of effort takes to make a really neat concept come to life. If Toei can afford it Disney definitely can.
That just shows how lazy they are now.
@@Flufferz626 Considering how Toei often cheaps out on One Piece with its terrible pacing, the gonzo animated sequences from time to time make the anime worth watching. (One Piece's story and characters, of course, make both the manga and the anime adaptation special.)
@@RanMouri82 didn't some animator leave Warner Bros for Toei?
Tbh the most beautiful anime this current season is Freirin. Which is sad because it is Kyoani survivors. Maybe I'm biased because I play D&D and like Goblin Slayer too. Strikes me as a campaign from 3.5e
Imagine, if you will, saying that 2D animation has too many limitations when there's a new Miyazaki movie in theatres.
I'm so ready for How Do You Live/The Boy and the Heron, we'll be talking about it on the podcast this week.
Well, it does sound better than saying, "We want to use 3D instead of 2D because it's cheaper"
Sounds like a skill issue.
@@hannah_xddd yeah, not like the expense and time investment might be worth the genuine, respectful tribute and reverence for a century-old medium, and also even fit a given story better than 3D, which is a different medium and therefore suited to different material...
Its not limitations. 2D animation is limitless actually. Its just laziness and greed.... And it shows...
The Huntsman from Snow White is probably the most underrated character in Disney’s library. He’s the oldest example of a redemption arc in the company’s history and yet nobody ever mentions that.
I’ve always liked John Silver from Treasure Planet. The Huntsman may have protected Snow White, but Silver is the only Disney villain to end a film being best friends with the protagonist and hugging them goodbye.
@@CrazyStoneTiger Jon Silver is the best redemption!
I think it's because we often overlook the "henchman" archetype; he never wanted to kill Snow White, so it was never redemption, per se.
To make this more sad, the Hunstman most likely got executed by the queen after the queen found out that Snow White is still alive ☹️
@@jupiterlantern2601 I always believed that since she immediately went down to the lab, she didn't have time to order the execution... This, he gets away Scott free
She was definitely talking out of her ass about the "boundless opportunities" of 3D art because they didn't use a single one.
Especially since Beauty and the Beast in the 1990’s was 2D and the ballroom scene and Be Our Guest still make me feel childlike wonder at 25 years old. They fired everyone who was talented and tell the ones who give suggestions to can it I guess, only explanation for such a talented studio to make something this shallow
“She said that 2D had too many limitations in terms of camera movements and characterization.”
Show her Klaus and ask her to comment and I guarantee you she’ll have no rebuttal.
She’s just Lazy.
@@MPW504 I could see saying 2D has limitations if you're making Spider-Verse but this ain't it.
@@MPW504All I could think of was ANIME lol. Like HELLO!
I heard a few people say that Disney intentionally sabotaged their final 2D movies so they could have an excuse to exclusively switch to 3D animation faster so this wouldn’t surprise me
you have a film who's ENTIRE POINT is 'playing it too safe is bad' and then the movie plays every safe predictable card imaginable
Hypocrisy is a favorite among greedy corporations.
Idk if people remember but The Princess & the Frog did "Wish" better. Tiana is a hard-working lady and she did not take shortcuts in achieving her dreams. Even if she was given the chance to use (evil) magic to get her wish, she fought it and it was awarded at the end. Asha however... she wants everyone to have their wishes back which is so shallow. Her as a character is so one-note. I don't see the point of the movie because not all wishes should be granted.
Agreed! I loved the princess & the frog because it teaches an actually meaningful message and still gives us a happy ending. They sponsored this film with “be careful what you wish for” and then the movie is about how every wish deserves to be granted? Makes zero sense to me
and an incredibly colorful & iconic villain as well
@@andrewcalebgorospe2754Absolutely
I adore Tiana and Naveen’s dynamic, they both start off as complete opposites on the spectrum, but end up as more balanced people because of each other
PATF is definitely the best fit for a “return to form” Disney movie. The dreams don’t fall into Tiana’s lap at all and she’s mostly miserable, having the drive for hard work but no direction. It’s only after interacting with new friends and getting new perspectives that she stops being bitter and learns what she actually wants to do and not a vague “i want to fulfill my dad’s dream.” Naveen was a great co protagonist because he has the opposite perspective where he has zero drive for working but knows he wants a carefree life where he can just enjoy the arts versus his noble responsibility. I think the message of that movie about finding your own direction, improvising when things inevitably don’t go your way, is a lot more relevant now actually with how many kids are expected to immediately go into lifelong careers fresh off high school.
Wish is almost the opposite lmao. Holding onto lost, vague dreams as long as possible until it just happens with no new revelations. “You were always right” is the motto for new Disney stories. It’s a little depressing.
Magnifico and wish as a whole feels like they couldn't decide what route the were gonna go, they wanted a sympathetic villain who's only trying to protect his kingdom from evil wishes? Or a monster who consumes peoples deepest wishes to remain powerful? You cant have both
I really feel like there was a split between the writers there. If there had been more time to choose one or the other, or reconcile those two parts of the character better, Magnifico could have been a truly great villain.
Here's how you get both, have an evil wish born from malice corrupt him while he seals it away with the other wishes.
So now people think he's a jerk for some odd reason who's refusing to Grant anyone's wish this year but is doing his best to fight the evil inside him.
Then when he's beaten we get an even bigger bad guy in the form of the malice wish.
He's the (main) reason this story fails; his character flips so suddenly that his valid reasons for being concerned about wishes now hold no weight. It no longer mattered that he was traumatized as a youth, that he built a safe haven and that people still took him for granted. He offers no challenge to Asha's ideals and thoughts, nor her growth as a character.
@@OpticalSorcerer I think asha didn't get growth since she was always in the right, I do wish magnifico had a turning point, maybe caused by star's magic, maybe the talking animals makes the citizens panic or asha herself with her inexperienced destroys a building with her magic, that would have gave more reason for magnifico to be desperate enough to use the book and teach asha about the responsibility of wishes and magic as a whole
@@cesar6447 I mentioned to someone in another video that Asha becomes a candidate to be Magnifico's apprentice, but it's never said why he needs one, especially when he constantly says "I decide what everyone deserves," and he doesn't seem to know Asha at all, so how was she a candidate?
Disney could've expanded on "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" from "Fantasia" and make Asha the "I know what's right" and grant dangerous wishes that proves Magnifico's point and makes him so angry, he starts destroying wishes.
In the drafts for this movie the King and the Queen were both going to be evil. We were robbed 😭 we could've had a Morticia and Gomez duo but evil. And the wishing star was supposed to be human like and a love interest for Asha. THE POTENTIAL THIS MOVIE HAD
I know how you feel. The only reason I saw this movie was for the King and Queen 😭
This actually sounds so amazing, why did they have to go and change it😭
We could have had it all.
I mean, seeing how badly they screwed over Magnifico, I doubt Amaya would've been better. Plus I'm iffy about her being a villain; they literally BUILT Rosas and made it safe (at least in the original version). For some reason, it feels weird to make both of them evil and then kill/prison/banish them when they built the kingdom from the ground up.
Same. It makes some sense for Magnifico to be evil, corrupted by magic and his own ego. But I can't see the Queern being evil @@OpticalSorcerer
They could've done a story inspired by "The Fisherman and His Wife" or "The Sorcerer's Apprentice"--stories that could've taken this to a new level--but they settled for mediocrity.
Y'know it could've been interesting for Asha and Magnifico to be the Sorcerer and the Apprentice dynamic. I think that might've been one of the ideas, but it seemed to got scrapped in replacement to what we got?
@@janier.5674 The writing is very poor. TSA would've fit the story they wanted to tell. It's kinda confusing, since it's never explained why Magnifico needs an apprentice, nor does he want one, given his controlling nature--plus he didn't know Asha, so how she's a candidate is beyond me.
And Magnifico seems too powerful to be so easily defeated: memory manipulation, shapeshifting, and whatever the heck was going on with his mirror/reflections makes him seem like Asha just had plot armor.
I always wanted to see an adaptation of The Crane Wife... with the caveat that they keep the original ending. No last second happy ending, you keep the original lesson about betraying trust and rip my heart out.
@@FlyingFocs That...isn't really Disney, then. A happy ending is the standard, especially when they have significant younger fanbase.
The fisherman and his wife!!! I would've loved that
This isn't a movie.
It's a PR stunt.
It's a bad PR then 😅
A failed one
Ooooooo, burn!
An accurate one at that.
A glorified disney commercial
It's not like they actually care tho. They have all the money in the world. They can just make another one and it'll make enough money for them. Granted, it won't be in the billions, but a million dollars is enough for them, am I right? They realized that they didn't have to try after all, as long as they're getting richer and richer. And if someone dares to outperform them, they can just buy them to eliminate the competition. They're virtually unstoppable. And we're completely powerless to do anything about it because this is the exact kind of thing our American government is encouraging.
The Line about it being "too hard" and a "limitation on camera movements and characterization" is Complete Bull. I know this because a little movie called KLAUS exists. It's not that they can't, it's that they don't want to put in the effort to be innovative anymore. Disney's entire goal with his company was to be innovative. He blew money on movies just to see if he could make something work. 3D is amazing, fantastic, but Disney is no longer interested in pushing boundaries. They've found something that works and they don't want to move.
They actually do similar stuff in their previous films like the ballroom scene in Beauty and the Beast and the scenes where the camera swoop around the forest with Tarzan sliding and swinging around in Tarzan, to give a few. They had already did it in the past and did it successfully! It is not that it is more difficult but either they are so lazy to put the effort or they lost the skills and knowhow.
After reading that excuse I was flabergasted. So much for a celebration of their hundred years of animation! To pull such an excuse out of their ass just tells you how low they have fallen.
The Japanese were able to do it, but I'm afraid most of it was made with sweat and tears...
Klaus is SUCH a cool movie that I definitely recommend everyone watch, and I agree with you on everything. Disney is too lazy to try anymore.
@@Kromiball Actually that’s a misconception. The sweat and tears had nothing to do with the actual difficulty of animating, and it was just that the Japanese studio higher ups refused to give them enough time to draw everything, out of plain greed. And with every movie, even less time was given- it was a whole thing. Look it up.
Klaus, Scott Pilgrim, Prince of Egypt, literally EVERY anime under the sun, even Treasure Planet and Atlantis, their OWN DAMN MOVIES.
Fuck Disney.
As a wannabe animator, I honesty find Wish to be insulting to the medium of animation. It's such a shame that Disney has started to neglect the one thing that it has founded it's entire identity on. And the competition in terms of animation is really surpassing. We have Arcane, Invincible, Dreamworks, Sony, Scavengers Reign and even indie teams releasing their own short films and series on TH-cam, like Lackadaisy and Helluva Boss. Even a new Studio Ghibli film showing that aging does not equate to decline in quality and freshness.
THIS
I'm personally not a fan of hybrid animation (though "Wish" didn't look NEARLY as bad as everyone made it out to be), so I wish they'd done 3D or 2D instead.
This is just rumor, but it's thought that the CEO of Disney, Bob Iger dislikes traditional animation, pointing at all the live action Disney remakes, how they tried to pass off Lion King as "live action", and of course the abandonment of their traditional animation studio as evidence for it
@@MrToothpicks I feel like Dreamworks should also get that scrutiny since they also only do 3D and are making a live-action remake of HTTYD. Plus I think Chris Buck or Bob Iger said Disney would be open to possibly returning to 2D.
@@OpticalSorcerer honestly, at this point them saying they’re ”open” to something feels like empty promises. People (or at least I have) have wanted for years that Disney retuned to 2d movies (there was some talk about that possibility around Raya and the Last Dragon as well), and it’s almost like they’re keeping it in their back pocket as a backup plan of a backup plan in case all else fails.
I think even if this movie is so focused on aiming 'for kids', I think even as a kid I'd roll my eyes because children deserve better films with more depth, not something that feels like a short film with missing parts. Like the Princess and the Frog had a better 'wish' message which is about working hard for that dream.
Princess and the Frog really is the better throwback princess movie. Great songs, great villain, and a modern take on the theme of wishing and using your own efforts to make your dreams come true. Plus the animation is wonderful.
I don't think a kids will understand the meaning of the story tho, except if their parent explain it to them or if the kids care enough about "life" or "the meaning of the movie u just watch".
I remember when i was a kid, and watch The princess and the frog for the first and last time.. what i can remember until now is, they became a frog.. i don't even remember how the story was, also i don't like frog back when i was a kid and that movie is something i don't see it pretty, fun or cute to watch and memorable moment as a kid.
Kids might be like Wish more cause there is a lot pretty, cute, and colorful magical scene in the movie with a bunch of animal singing. While as an adult, i don't really like Wish cause the story was not as my expect it going to be.. but the song was beautiful and the art looks pretty at some scene.
@@araven2293 I don’t think this is a valid point, because there are kids who definitely do appreciate the storyline. When I was a kid, I cried at Inside Out because I understood what was happening, and somewhat related to it despite being very young. I was the type to analyze things in my head, even if they weren’t good analysis’ lol. Anyways, my point is that kids aren’t dumb, they’re just like any other person.
@@cupio-stardust Yea, there could be children who are like u, but also not all children have thoughts like u too, thats why im saying "except if the kids care enough about life".. then when u say that u were still a kid when the inside out came out, maybe there are differences in our eras, parenting or living in different country.
When i was a kid, i do understand the story, feeling sad, happy or scared when watching, but im not really care if the story was bad or not even tho i know the meaning of the story.
A reason why my children will watch the movies from my childhood instead of all these modern trainwrecks. Modern movies in a nutshell: The story is crap. It doesn't teach a valuable lesson kids can understand. I was confused while watching Wish in theatres. My best friend and I are aspiring story writers, and we went to see the movie together. Afterward, we were able to come up with some tweaks to the story that Disney put before us that literally would make things more consistent and have a story that makes sense. We did it in under 30 minutes too.
A good kids' movie after all is a movie that can be enjoyed by all ages watching it. I remember rewatching so many old movies from my childhood and catching things I NEVER did as a kid. That made it still enjoyable to watch, not just for nostalgia's sake. They have jokes and other little things in them that fly over kids' heads, but can still be picked up by the adults watching with them. Disney has lost everything that made it magical during my childhood. The writers are still good, it's the greedy producers on top who ruin the story to "play it safe" and "make the most money".
7:16 Also, in the hunchback of notre dame song “Out There” there’s a lot of really great camera movement. It does exactly what a 3D animation clip could do.
Oh you're so right, I should have used that clip in here!
SANCTUARYYYYYY! SANCTUARYYYYYYYY!
I also hate the movies title.
When you say the title, we read it as “Disney’s Wish”. As if it was Walt’s “wish”. But knowing how stubborn, creative, and how much of a perfectionist Walt was, he’d absolutely DESPISE this movie.
I've been hating the one word titles Disney has been doing recently. I think it was Cars that started it, but now they have Wish, Encanto, Tangled, Frozen, Coco, Moana, etc. They use simple titles that are made to be easy for children to say, but they explain absolutely nothing about the movies themselves. Literally any movie about anything could be called "wish." There is zero creativity and I cannot stand it.
@@yourshoulderdevil5229 in the case of Moana I mean-
Moana stars Moana.
@@LinkiePup Encanto and Moana work, but Tangled should've been ''The tangled adventures of Rapunzel'' or something, and Frozen ''The snow queen'' or '''The show kingdom''. Also Brave can count, it was going to be ''the bear and the bow'' or something like.
And yes, Wish title is so uninspired.
I watched The Lion King last week for the first time since I was a toddler, and all I could think was that they really do not make them like that anymore. I was shocked what they were able to get away with in that movie, it’s truly a masterpiece in family animation with a touching story about death and power and learning from your past. Wish reviews started coming out the next day, and the whiplash I got watching those was intense lol. Completely drove home how far Disney has fallen in recent years.
Disney’s corporate greed seems to have infiltrated the entire company at this point. Bob Iger just announced Frozen 4 and we don’t even have Frozen 3 yet. They’re doubling down on all the unnecessary sequels and remakes even though it clearly is only hurting them. Every studio they’ve boughten has had the life and creativity sucked dry from it and now even their core animation studio is falling victim to the same fate. The decisions of these executives will eventually cause the entire company to eat its own tail.
Funny you should mention lion king specifically, because lion king was the blacksheep project to the golden child project that is pochahontas and didn't get much support from the company. Ironically despite that the lion king did far better with the audience and most critics.
We can’t blame the company. Mr Iger is not doing a good job as CEO.
Iger literally said that the reason recent movies aren't doing well is because they were filmed during covid and therefore didn't have ENOUGH EXECUTIVES ON SET 😭 like my guy has completely missed the point
Magnifico stayed in power for so long because, as his song says, he allows people to live their for free, listens to their complaints HIMSELF, and basically provides everything for them. Him granting anyones wish shows he is still a good king beause, he's right, not everyone's wish should be granted if they're unrelastic or dangerous and the movies narrative is inherently flawed and dangerous for children to say otherwise. Until Magnifico goes full evil because of the book, he is the hero and ahsha is the stupid 17 year old naive villain.
It's also annoying bc technically Magnifico isn't evil, the book is. But he's still the one punished forever which just doesn't sit right with me :/
On the face of it, the king is a really cool protag. He grants wishes that are good for the community, denies wishes that are bad for the community but removes that desire from the person so that they won't long for something they cannot have. Seriously that's a pretty great magical king.
AND you can get to live in his realm for *FREE!*
@@danielm.595 HE DOESNT EVEN CHARGES YOU RENT!....even through is imply with the free part?
His concern about wishes being bad is also fair, and the fact that he can't do em all because he is ONE MAN. And its not as if it's his only job. He is a king, take all the work a king must otherwise do (if you must, subtract tax collection lol), and now you add this extra, skilled job. And while this movie gives 0 details on the magic system, this has to take some amount of time and energy to do. Isn't that the whole point of this guy trying to get apprentices? To pass on the duties or get this done faster?
She missed the point where 'granting all the other wishes' would most likely become her (and any future apprentices') job.
@@teresar6348 but everyone deserves everything they ever wanted and nothing people could want could ever be bad for them or misguided.
Iger is the whole problem
This story could’ve been using the concept arts they have , having an evil power couple & the star as a Shapeshifter. this would be more interesting than what we get.
But no, the corporate just had to screw it
I have the feeling that the element of "people not remembering the wishes" was made at the last minute to lead to the villain's actual purpose cuz nothing really justifies the second half's character change.
I think it does make thematic sense.
If the theme of the movie is the importance of wishes, then it does make sense that the main threat would be a villain that can take these wishes away.
@@cartoonishidealism582 yeah, I know where you going, but I still feel that they (the writers) thought it was not enough so they made that without thinking too much about it cuz you don't know if there was a way to grant a wish by bubble without the memory wipe.
I mean, is kinda ironic since this film (wish) is forgetable
ikr? that was something that would make me believe he's evil, because there's no need to take away the wishes. That being said, they pulled that one at last minute so he will be ''mean omg''
I'm really disappointed in Wish, especially when looking at rough drafts and artwork where the Queen would be as crazy like her husband..
We literally could have a villian couple that was like Gomez and Morticia.
Disney animator now: 2d animation has too many limitations when it comes to camera angle.
Disney animators of the 2Oth century: *makes beauty and the beast ball room dance scene*
Bad example, cause that Was early 3D
@@Tangarisu define it how ever you want, it was still hand drawn...
ehhh yes and no, Belle and the Beast themselves were animated in 2D, the ball room itself was done in 3D... I think.
People forget about those incredible hand drawn turnarounds in Spirit Stallion of the Cimarron
"She said 2D had too many limitations in terms of camera movements and characterization."
It's either 2D animation is too limited or you guys are just lazy.
Fr real, like, how it's 2d animation limited?
The only things limited about 2D that I can think of is the amount of animators or the amount of pencils used.
OMG FINALLY! Thank you!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
My guess: Disney has gutted their 2D abilities since a lot of the animators with 2D animation experience have left. She told her higher ups that she wanted to do the movie in 2D, but when she told them what it would cost and how long it would take, they told her no, so she's saying that it was a creative decision because of the limits of 2D animation to save face and not hack off her bosses.
I don't have any evidence for this, but it would make sense.
More like Disney gutted their 2D department and trained artists and they realized that they had no artists that can truly do 2D so they chosen a hybrid or fully 3D.
They say they fired most of the veteran animators and only had new talent working on this film, and it seriously shows.
A veteran animator would have been able to make the visual style work. and a lot of the shots look like they just demo reel showcase shots rather than shots for a film.
The animation is even a bit off, too jumpy energetic, with every pose feeling like an extreme.
"2D has too many limitations" my ass, Disney 😬
The "2d animation has too many limits" sounds like an excuse to not use 2d, because unlike 3d animators.. 2d animators are unionized and would cost more
2D and 3D animators are two different groups?
@@stellviahohenheim yes
Even that is not fully true. Wish cost around 200 million to produce, while, say, Klaus cost 40 million
@@phyrio I did not know that, thank you for letting me know. There's a bunch of factors that go into film costs, so it's hard to say what caused Wish to cost so much more than Klaus (aside from Disney typically having ridiculous budgets).
Disney has gotten too big! It is a shell of its former self, the magic is gone.
Calling it a "shell" implies it got smaller until it no longer resembled its former glory. THIS is more like adding a gallon of water to a teabag trying to get more tea. It's too much.
After watching this movie incant help but feel that Asha was the real villain even if she had good intentions. True Magnifico had bad traits but he ruled a peaceful kingdom and so there was conflict for no good reason.
Honestly, i feel like the real villain here is the spellbook. Asha and Magnifico both had flaws but were sincerely trying to help the kingdom (and both were too caught up in their ideas to consider another point of view, which caused the whole story). It only started to really go downhill after the book was used
Yeah people are saying that Magnifico was the type of villain that could actually be redeemed.
Maybe HE was the one that needed the character arc.....
His paranoia does remind of how the Evil Queen reacted when someone was deemed fairer than her....just a bit though.
@@DrawciaGleam02 It really does ! But Magnifico at least had an understandable motive. He genuinely felt threatened and it brought back painful memories. The Evil Queen... just wanted to be the prettiest for no other reason than just because. It's why i'm kinda disappointed of the ending. He had the potential to be reformed and reasons to be. Not only that but i think it would have been a good ending message for him and Asha to make peace afterwards and work together to build a better future for Rosas, both opening themselves to new ideas and taking inspiration of one another instead of staying stuck in their ways. It feels like a missed opportunity
King Magnifico is the hero of the story, which is why the movie flopped. Disney failed
I think the original idea of making Star a love interest was so much better, if they really wanted to not make your basic romance story they coulda just made them NOT HUMAN or HUMAN aligning by the end like some weird angel
Promised classic songs.... from a composer that makes songs for Justin Bieber.
While I would love for that person to be able to be up to the challenge, she would have needed at least a few films to dip her toe into how to make songs for movies and yet she was just tossed right into the fire.
Soooo many wrong decisions made for this film
“2D has too many limitations in terms of camera movements and characterization” James Baxter. That’s my response to that.
PRECISELY
the horse from Adventure Time?
@@aquatiger8 100%
@@m_artroom honestly, yeah. he was such a dynamic character
@@aquatiger8 He’s an actual animator that animated that horse in Adventure Time and named him after himself. His animations are always so smooth :)
God, I forgot we never found out Magnifico's deal. With that burned tapestry, I figured it was gonna be a thing- his old kingdom got destroyed, maybe in a coup and thats why he's so sensitive to the old guy's wish? Maybe someone had magic and it was used recklessly?
I would have *loved* if Asha and Magnifico were kinda both wrong? Magnifico takes people's wishes away if they're vague because he's scared, Asha thinks everyone's wishes should be granted- they're two ends of a spectrum, and in the end they have to come together against an outer threat. The villagers get their wishes back, because fighting for your dream is one of the strongest motivations for every human being. However, some people's dreams are destructive, or selfish, or just banal, and we take that as part of being human. We tackle it on a case-by-case basis if there's a problem.
...brb, I'm off to rewrite a movie.
7:15 Ok. As someone who isn'T an animator BUT a 3d modeler and learning FVX as well (amongst many other things) 2D AND 3D has NO such limitations. The difference is effort and time.
With 2D you would need to draw ever frame as it gose. With 3D you can reuse affets with a few clicks bring actors in position them do the animation or long scenes and just place the cameras in different directions and angels. It is not "less limiting" but EASIER.
Altough here I should also mention that nothing is stopping you from using 3D and 2D togeather. As in making the animation base in 3D and than drawing the characters based on the rough animation. UFOTable used it for example for their movies.
Other examples like the Big Ben's gears in The Great Mouse Detective and the forest in Wolfwalkers
UFOTable also used it for Demon Slayer, and in the Movie and seasons 2 and 3 it looks STUNNING
The really good 2d stuff these days does combine the two techniques but you don't notice. Same way movies that go big on practical effects are still full of CGI but you don't notice it because it is in the background. Look at Fury Road for that.
We were ROBBED of Glittery-Jack Frost-Wishing Star and I'm personally mad about it
Tbh a generic commercial cash grab with pretty colors is surprisingly accurate for Disney to announce as a celebration of what this company is all about
Unpopular opinion: the colors aren't that pretty eighter. It looks so grey, dull and washed out. Even freaking Brave had prettier and more vibrant colors that this
You know what’s sad? Is the very company that’s trying to ape off classical Disney villains is DISNEY ITSELF. Disney shouldn’t be having this hard of a time doing something they used to be great at!
I hate to bring this up, but I have to: Dreamworks made a great “Disney villain” who had a goal and was hilariously evil- his name was Jack Horner!
Take notes, Mouse!
Edit: I’m glad to know other people see just how pathetic it is that we have to turn to a Dreamworks movie to get a good Disney villain
It is strange how Jack Horner's gimmick is using the tools of other fairy tale creatures in a needlessly destructive manner
Your comment kind of puts that in perspective, especially if you replace "fairy tales" with "beloved existing IPs"
@davidhong1934 wow, DreamWorks really took a shot at Disney in that film and I didn't even notice
@@aquatiger8 Dreamworks has been taking shots at Disney since the first Shrek movie, so it shouldn’t be a surprise
Yeah, if there's one thing Last Wish particularly excelled at, it's the villains. There are three different evil parties and each one of them excels at being a different type. Jack Horner is the evil for the sake of evil villain who stops at nothing to get what he wants, Goldielocks' gang are the sympathetic antagonists with a tragic backstory who you want to see the light and turn around to do the right thing for their family and Death is an unstoppable force of nature who can't truly be defeated. You don't even need all three types at once to have a good story and yet here we are.
@@rainpooper7088
I don’t even see Death as a villain in that movie. Puss was clearly a hubristic little punk who acted like he was immortal and needed to be knocked down a few pegs. I know if I were Death, someone that Puss mocked and laughed at for 8 literal lifetimes, and he was on his last one, I’d want to put the fear of God into him too!#DeathDidNothingWrong
They didn't do 2D animation because Disney's directors had a "skill issue."
funny how we were all wishing for a classic disney movie, and on the Wish movie poster it said "be careful what you wish for". Not saying they did it on purpose, but i just find it funny after seeing the major flop of this movie.
8:54 I am really exited for the Jack Frost animatics this song is gonna spawn. Also thank you for pointing that out, that song drove me nuts and reverted me back to my Jelsa phase.
Movies like Klaus prove that Disney's 'limitations' in 2D is bullshit. There's obviously thousands more hand drawn animations out there that show what a nearly limitless art that genre is, I just find Klaus to be so close to what Disney is trying (and failing) to achieve, that it's a perfect example. They can still use 3D to boost their animation, like they did for Lion King and Tarzan (and like Klaus does for lighting), but 2D as a base plz.
Disney also just need to stop being so safe, and using the same designs over and over and over. Ever since Tangled, their character designs have been so samey that it's boring. They seem to have forgotten that stylistic choices really do add to the story being told (look at something like Hercules or Lilo and Stitch). When you've got animation studios like Sony and Dreamworks bringing out some real big game changers over the last decade, it's really hard to show any support for Disney. I'd genuinely prefer to support a studio like Sony who pumps out absolute shit to keep the money coming in (boss baby, emoji, etc), but then brings out true bangers every few years. I'd take diamonds in a pile of shit, over bland and boring for ever more. Something like Mitchels vs the Machines was more creative, heartfelt, and interesting than anything Disney has produced in well over a decade imo. Plus in regards to Dreamworks, I think Kung Fu Panda and How to Train Your Dragon are way way better stories than much of what Disney create.
It's so sad hearing someone from DISNEY saying hand drawn has limitations. Like, have you forgotten who you are??
If this was 100 years in the making why does it feel like a letdown? It literally feels like someone from Marketing suddenly remembered 2023 was the 100th Anniversary of the studio so they threw a bunch off stuff together.
"Bob Igar, fix the mess you made". That would require responsibility, humility and insite. He is too busy blaming anything or anyone else, its not going to happen, Disney is at a point it needs to fundamentally change or eventually it will be forgotten, it might not be as soon as some might say, but its not an if, its a when.
I would argue that computerized animation is more limited because… well… it’s a computer. Whereas paper, a pencil, and an imagination could explore and overcome more bounds than any other means out there…
It's a blatent lie- she was just turned down because 2d animators are unionized.
Yeah, for 2d the 'limitations' other than budget and time, are skill and imagination/creativity. That's it.
With 3d there are very real hardware and software limitations. You see this in the fact that toy story happened bc the animators had limits with the 3d capabilities at the time, and knew that humans looked weird and plastic, so they made their characters plastic toys to get around it.
Also Pixars Incredibles had to make their own physics for Violets hair. Happened again for Brave, and Tangled I believe had hair struggles. Coco saw them having to make new physics for the clothes bc the old one didn't work with clothes on skeletons. And Moana had to figure out the water simulation! It's a blatantly bs statement meant to take heat off of Disney refusing to pay unionized 2d animators. Hope 3d animators get the chance to unionize as well.
As far as limitations between 2D and 3D, the only real difference I am aware of is that 3D is faster to bang out. When I was coming up with my senior project for college I was originally going to do 2D. I quickly realized it would take way too long under the time constraints I had and switched to 3D. That’s probably what happened here, they realized that they wouldn’t finish in time, and honestly likely started producing assets before they even had a concrete story line. 100th anniversary! Here’s your happy meal! lol
How to know as an animator that somebody doesn't know SH** about animation? They tell you stuff like " 2D animation is so limiting..." Yeah, I bet the people at Ghibli would be making better films, if they only listened to Jennifer Lee's advice...
Please kill me...
How can we forget that Demon Slayer: Mugen Train was the most successful movie from 2020, and I know lockdowns were still commonplace and the majority of its box-office earning came from Japan, but it actually did very well when it was released internationally in early 2021. Same with other anime movies like Jujutsu Kaisen 0 and One Piece Film: Red. Heck, Miyazaki's last movie, The Boy and the Heron, sold over a million tickets in France and the box-office predictions for it U.S. debut look very promising
Read the top comment, then you'll know why. The problem isn't 2D animation itself, it's the production pipeline at Disney and how it's evolved over the past decades.
I majored in 3D and it's not that they simply don't understand 2D animation, they despise it with a hatred. It's bizarre.
Im an animator too and I agree. @@BlooftubeBloof
The one time Ghibli did produce a 3D movie, it was considered a disappointment.
Disney use CGI since late 80s in certain areas, objects or for camera movements. There's 3D in Great mouse detective (the clock final scene); Oliver (the staircase scene) and in Little Mermaid (the intro with the ship). It is very clear how the 3D works in the most famous scene of Beauty and the Beast > the dance ball scene, the camera movement and the celling. You can use CGI with 2D in a blender beautiful way.
I went to go see this movie on opening night in theatres and I shit you not I was the only one in the entire theatre. Tried to remain quiet and respectful until about two thirds of the way through when I couldn't take it anymore and started outwardly yelling at the annoying characters to shut the hell up. Pretty bold of Disney to have their 100 years of history celebration be a compilation of everything I dislike about their movies, huh?
"compilation of everything I dislike about their movies"
Ooh, I'd like to hear that list!
@@DrawciaGleam02
- Side characters that add nothing
- Baby humor
- Uninspired character designs
- Making up rules as it goes along
- Bland pop music that tries way too hard to be a top 40 hit
- References that add nothing
- Anachronistic vernacular
- A general sense of "been there, done that" throughout the entire runtime
@@typhoonthunder
Ah.
Thanks man!
I’m sorry, you wasted your money on this. That’s so sad .
🤝 I was also the only one at the theater showing. (wasn't opening night though.)
Better story idea with much better plot twist:
Asha wants to release the Wishes so every wish is granted
And the Audience is shown how evil the Sorcerer is.
But then it's revealed that Asha is the Daughter of the Sorcerer, and it's just in her rebellious phase and the Sorcerer isn't evil at all. 😅
But oh snap, the Wishes are released, and even the bad ones, causing the Kingdom to fall into chaos.
And Asha need to use the Master Wishing Star to undo all the Wishes.
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Disney stops making movies within the next decade. Everything (even non-Disney) seems to just be a remake, spin-off, or continuation of something that already exists, which gains enough attention for people to talk about it and maybe even watch the beginnings of it, but it always ultimately flops... and if it's _not_ a remake of something, it's always so bad that people either poke fun at it online before entirely forgetting about it before it even comes out, or it just is never talked about at all. The only way Disney gets views on new content is by _not_ advertising it so you _have_ to watch to see what it's about at all, but that tactic is already getting old and audiences are already getting wise to the fact that it means "this movie has nothing of interest that we can show you in the trailer without making you realise the movie is just bad." They can use that tactic when advertising events in their parks because if you're there you're there and the visuals are kind of the entire point, but you can't make a movie trailer purely out of cinematic shots intercut with comedic voicelines and the stereotypical deep-voiced narrator rattling off the same old "get ready for an epic adventure" script without actually telling you anything about what the movie is about.
It’s lobotomized whimsy. They might as well just display cardboard cutouts of what they’re selling and have their hands out for your money.
On your points about Star the main villain, what's truly sad is they had some REALLY fun ideas to make them some pretty fun characters that were very classic, but also unique in their own ways. But we... we did not get that... instead what we got was... this...
8:55 Oh, and my favourite line in the movie
_"Watch out world, here _*_I ARE"_*
If it were me, I would make Asha a hardworking and disciplined character. After losing her father, she's sets a goal for herself to help others fulfill their wishes. She studies for years at the king's academy, sucses the final qualifying exam, and is selected. After working with the king for a while, They becane lika a father and daughter the king trusts her and tells her his secrets together with the queen and yes, they are both evil (as in the planning stage) and they tell Asha that some wishes will come true,but some are not and it has a logical explanation that the audience believes this too, and the reason why they can make one wish come true every month is because it is a very powerful spell, the king needs to collect his magic and one wish comes true in one month. Then Asha learns the truth, we have a flashback to the king's past, and Asha is declared a traitor and steals the book and runs away. Then she sings to the star, makes a wish, just like in the storyboards and the star comes and runs away with her. They fall in love on the way and eventually there is a big war, the king captures the book and even more so with the queen. They become stronger and fight with the star, they add the wishes of all the people in the city to their power, everyone faints, and Asha sacrifices herself and casts the spell in the book, there is a huge explosion with the magic power coming from her heart, the stars dance, it's a visual feast, and she learns that she is a fairy, they destroy the evil couple with the star. Since Asha is a fairy, the star actually answered her wish thats why ! for example, It's a huge missed opportunity because the design of the main character is very beautiful and Disney made a princess with this type of hair for the first time and it was just wasted potential. Im sad for the people who want a repisantation of themselves and the animatiors who give their years for this ? This proudact 😒
Why tf would Asha be a fairy? Not only does that make zero sense within the setup of the movie, but it also ruins the whole idea of "When you wish upon a star, doesn't matter who you are" if the stars only answer the wishes of fairies. Not every random twist you can think of for a movie you don't like is a good one, you know.
@@rainpooper7088 uhm because she literlly has a magic wand and become the fairy god mother at the end of the movie ? and relax why are you so angry about it 😂
Why not make magnifico's father the original wish maker, and have him create a wish by mistake which leads to the creation of the book and make that book the reason why the kingdom got distroyed, also add to that magnifico uses the powers he learned from his father to stop the book from distorying anymore. A better back story
I lOvE how Asha grants everybodys wish and is so focused on everybody and everything else around her, she doesn’t focus on herself. She doesn’t get shit, just a wand to help others. Empty, no feeling.
There may or may not be another 100 years for Disney if they keep this up
Elemental did have good legs in the end but it still did not make a profit. Needed $550 Mil or higher.
15:49 I swear if he starts singing” this is the things I get” I’m going to hurl
Jennifer Lee’s statement sounds like the kind of thing people get told to say when backlash or disappointment is expected.
I haven't seen Wish, but I do remember looking forward to this movie, I liked the aesthetic, I liked the idea, it seemed like it had potential, and now, after watching several videos that gave me several brief (but matching, so I'm sure I got it right) summaries I just... I'm disappointed. I still want to see for myself, but I don't understand why they were trying to make a movie for *kids* to celebrate 100 years of Disney when the very first film that made Disney what it is today, Snow White... *was not meant for kids*. Not strictly for kids anyway. It was a film, a work of art, a way to show that animation was fully capable of telling a story people of all ages could enjoy (at least according to the Walt Disney biography book that I read some time ago). But then again, they are willingly throwing poor Snow White under the bus, so... so much for celebrating their legacy and magic.
And honestly, a movie with a wasted potential is worse than a bad one.
P.S.: Claiming that 2D animation has too many limitations, especially when it comes to characterization of all things, when so many Disney classics are 2D is an insult. And thank you for including Kaguya as one of the examples. It's not my favorite movie, like it just isn't for me personally, but its clever use of its aesthetic is one of the most beautiful things ever. My favorite Ghibli movie is Only Yesterday, and this 2D film got some of the strongest emotions out of me ever.
I said this before, half as a joke, but they were way too concerned about making this dude a 'himbo' than well written.
You can have BOTH but that's not what we got.
Honestly, I originally thought the art style isn't that bad. So I didn't understand why people were upset...
That is... UNTIL I saw the original golden age Disney again. And then I THINK I saw why WISH's art style felt off.
Since WISH's art style it's meant to a nod to the golden age, there should NOT be highlights on the characters.
It's just two shades. The base color and the shadow. It's only the background that multiple detailed shading, which includes highlights.
THIS was why characters stood out back then.
So when they use the multiple shading on the characters EXACTLY like the backgrounds. The characters blend TOO well with the background.
They don't pop.
Ironically, simplifying the way they colored their characters, in contrast to the beautifully detailed "looking like it was painted" background, MIGHT have helped the over all look.
And seeing snow white's hair, it think Asha's hair having white outlines, could have also given her some nice subtle detail.
"I reject Valentino from the Council of Goats" 👏🏼
This movie was so goofy…
Also council of goats :0 🐐
8:49 so fun fact about “at all costs” it’s actually a carry over from an earlier version of the film in fact the demo version has some different lyrics that push the romantic them they just didn’t want to waste it and I can’t blame them for that
13:07 Wdym? Morbius had consistent profit records in the Morbillions!
(Still funnier than anything in Modern disney films.)
I may be alone in this, but 1:50 showcases a lot of the problems I have with modern animation; I like to call it ADHD animation cause I'm not sure what else to call it. Look it how that magician guy moves compared to the other villians showcased right afterwards. They don't zip around constantly like toddlers compared to what a lot of this newer stuff does. It feels akin to jingling keys for really little kids to me.
So part of it is people are staring at sequences for months animating them and knew where every pixel is but for the audience it moves by top quickly to take in. But the animator is animating for himself and the director. Same way you end up with the battle of can't see anything in Thrones. Looks great on my amazing system I'm not using anything consumer grade for reference.
You are not alone
That kind of animation sort of works for a character like Asha but it doesn’t work for every character
The only thing that reassure me, is that the viewers will make better fanfictions or remake stories of this movie plot.
It’s like the 1980s when a Disney in financial decline was surrounded by very talented non-Disney cartoons. Mainly by Don Bluth.
I will say this, I am extraordinarily glad that I didn’t bother with watching the movie because if I heard that whole message of “go and make your wishes come true using your own strengths,” I think I would actually riot. I’m physically disabled. My disability is a very painful genetic condition that has no cure and no treatment, my wish is for it to be cured or at the very least for me not to have it or for it to lessen to some degree. And good god does being told “your wishes come true if you work hard enough” make me infuriated because you know they put no actual thought into what someone would think when hearing that, especially if they’re in an impossible situation like me.
I miss the days when they’d cast Broadway stars. They bring a different feel, a trademark Disney feel.
Even when they started introducing household names like Robin Williams, Danny DeVito, James Earl Jones and Jeremy Irons, they cast stars who cut their teeth on stage, so it retained that musical theatre feeling.
The thing about 2D is that the biggest limitations nowadays is amount time and money needed to support it, something that Disney could easily deal with if they weren’t so focused on cashing in as fast and easy as possible
I really believe that once Disney purchase one franchise, its gonna go down
Wish is a true masterpiece in that its so bad, it gave smaller channels the chance to finally be noticed through commentary and crticism of it
For the general audience Wish is disappointing but for industry professionals and people trying to break-in it's heartbreaking. It is just so sad to see all the great concepts thrown away, the story simplified to the point it lost all meaning and a new classic turned into an add for toys. So ironic that a story about freedom and opportunity was destroyed by the people on power it "questions", however this disrespect towards their own identity is what is bringing down every piece of Disney down and will inevitably lead to a change. The story of Wish is the sound of animation and Disney screaming for help.
I love Holdover from the trailer alone!
I already want to see it a second time in theaters.
Did they forget about hunchback??? The art in that alone and the camera movements and everything!
I love the idea of Wish, and that's why I'm so mad! Because it could've been so good! I can see so much potential in it, I could've loved the movie! But I'm stuck with loving the idea of it and being mad at Disney for wasting it
I wish we could have gotten the cut element of Star Boy, it would have made for an adorable romance!
"2D animation is too limiting"
*The Boy and the Heron having one hell of a box office opening*
Are you sure it's the medium that's limiting you there Disney?
I never understood the “we want a Disney villian” complaint Villans should be added if necessary
This feels like something that was written by studio notes, saying "Guys, people have been complaining about twist villains, so that has to be a no-go for this one. We have to make sure the audience knows from the beginning that he's the bad guy!" And they didn't put any thought into how to make a real interesting villain with an actual motivation for where his anger comes from. And yeah, let's have the same "funny" sidekicks that Disney's been pumping out since Frozen. That's the biggest insult to me, is that ever since Tangled, Disney has been trying to make their fairy tales have the same humor as Shrek. Shrek is now over 20 years old and it's still remembered and quoted because it *wasn't* made by Disney. And Disney thinking they're gonna blow us away and surprise us with this humor that's 20 years old and think that this is gonna be a classic, it really shows me how out of touch they are and how unwilling they want to try something that's really artistically pleasing. And that's why I want to hear more of the animators and artists at Disney Animation because I'm sure they would love to make a 2D film. I'm not saying all of them, I don't want to overgeneralize. But don't you guys agree that the artists and animators that come to Disney want to create something that's timeless and beautiful to look at? I'm really insulted that Jennifer Lee suggests "2D animation limits camera movement." I personally don't think 2D Animation can "limit" anything. I'm finding out more and more that all the classic Disney hand-drawn films from Snow White all through the decades until 2011's Winnie the Pooh are the films that I will always love and hold near-and-dear and will continue to dissect them and recreate my own drawings of all their 2D films for years to come. I know this is a hot take that Pixar fans will hate me for, but I've grown really bitter against Pixar and computer animation in general, because that's what killed 2D and why we're stuck with this bullshit excuse that "2D limits camera movement." There's nothing new that computer animation can add. Once you've broken all the technology records, what else is there to conquer? 2D Animation doesn't need to be innovative in technology to be timeless, it has to be entertaining and original and enjoyable for years. Here's an idea that can really shake things up for Disney to make another great film:
Disney really needs to look at the Spider-Verse films and try to make their own kind of Disney-Verse film. And I don't mean that like the Dark Universe or the Once Upon a Studio special, I don't mean have every single individual character. First you need to find a story that could be told even better with a handful of Disney characters that team up and work off each other with their differences but also their similarities. Just an idea, I can further explain if anyone wants to reply.
Saw Wish a few days after it opened and I was the only one in the theater. Missed the first five minutes cause they didn't even bother playing any previews with no audience. I assumed that the story must've made more sense if you saw it from the beginning, but listening to your criticisms it seems like I didn't miss a thing. Reading the wikipedia plot summary afterwards felt just as substantial as watching the movie itself. Nothing there but surface, and a pretty forgettable surface at that. (Great video, as always)
It’s so insulting that the head of fricking DISNEY says 2D animation is “too limiting” when literally the only limitation is what you can imagine and draw!
How can someone look at Studio Ghibli, MAPPA, Cartoon Saloon and even their own history and say that it’s limiting!!!!
YOU MISSED THE WORST LINE IN THE VILLAIN SONG! "I let you live here for free, and i don't even make you pay rent" yeah, dummy, that means the same exact thing
It sounds AI generated...
A century in the making and the song writer got THREE WEEKS to write the main theme song of the movie? WHY
Wait seriously? They only had three weeks?
@@DanielGoldhorn And they had to write it without the final script/plot. She can't really be blamed for the music not matching the movie as she had to finish first.
I know this isn't the main topic of the video, but it is wild they released the new Haunted Mansion in July. This is like Hocus Pocus all over again. It originally bombed because they released it in July so it wouldn't compete with The Nightmare Before Christmas, if I remember right. The fact they'd do that again knowing the outcome is so bizarre.
And the fact King Magnifico didn't grant most wishes as they would risk the safety of the kingdom
9:28 you actually improved the animation holy cow
"2D has too many limitations in terms of camera movement and characterization."
Me who literally rewatched Beauty and the Beast last week: *You gotta be kidding me.*
THANK YOU FOR SHOWING KAGUYA, MY FAVORITE GHIBLI!! I was literally thinking of anime films as you were talking about movement lol.😊
15:38 “b- BuT aNiMaTiOn iS fOr BaBiEs!!!”
~Bob Chapek, and probably Iger too
"They are not evil for the sake to be evil" Ratigan would like to have a word with you lol
If anything with the song Asha and the king, they should've changed it to be the queen. Like if they went with their og vision of the king AND queen being evil then that sound would've worked perfectly without being weird in the actual context of the movie
Felt funny to get a disney ad on this lmao
Hearing a Disney exec say unironically "2D animation has too many limits" makes me imagine that woman with white facepaint, a red nose, and a rainbow wig. With the popularity of Anime right now, think Demon Slayer and Jujutsu Kaisen, HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT??? Disney is run by lazy hacks without an ounce of creativity.
So, now that King Magnifico exists…does that mean we can start calling Kylo Ren a better villain now?
Kylo Ren was always a good villain
@@DanielGoldhorn spoken
@@DanielGoldhorn Yeah, but compared to Magnifico, Kylo’s up there with Long John Sliver(the Treasure Planet version), Scar and even Vader. Then again, this is coming from the same guy who thinks that if the Sequel Trilogy was written better; he’d even surpass Vader himself as a villain.
@@jackofallclaws6672 It would need to be more than a little better, the biggest issue with the sequels is that they didn’t plan out the trilogy before making it. George Lucas left behind a plan they could of built off of but they scrapped it, they could of even used the extended universe for inspiration but they scrapped that too.
The first one, while nothing game changing was ok, the second split the fan base(It was TLOU2 of the franchise) and the third fractured it further.
I agree Kylo Ren had potential and it was a shame that they squandered it.
@@DanielGoldhorn He was decent