What Is The Best Controller For Fighting Games?
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Another big flaw with pads (as Dekillsage often finds) is that if one part of the pad breaks or wears out, then it's REALLY hard to fix/replace without just buying a whole new pad.
This especially becomes an issue if your favorite pad is a 3rd party pad that went out of print ten years ago
i bought a retro bit wireless sega saturn pad and soldered some microswitches onto the dpad contacts. it's op lol.
@@davidscott9257 truly peak gaming
I got a laptop recently and I've been using it to get my fighting game fill while at university, but I can't exactly carry my stick with me so I've been playing on keyboard and it's not as bad as people think, some inputs are harder than others, especially 360s, but it's mostly just a matter of getting used to it, you can definitely play well on keyboard with practice
Couldn't agree more i play brawlhalla on a laptop and the the buttons feel 10 times better than a controller pad
@Joe Sanders my system for half circles on keyboard, instead of pianoing the back down forward keys, is to release back right before I press forward, if you don't do it the game can easily skip the down input and your half circle won't come out
I also use the keyboards
I had a friend that came to GG XRD tournaments with a keyboard because that was what he was comfortable with and he did pretty well.
I play way worse on a pad, than on a keyaboard. Half-circles feels impossible on a pad for me, but I do them easily on a keyboard.
I've been using a hori fighting commander for the last five years and I absolutely love it, no other controller comes close for me
Picked one up a fair few years ago since I couldn't afford a stick and was sick of having to go to shoulder buttons for 6 button games and absolutely fell in love with it.
try the retro bit sega saturn pad if the hori ever gives out on you, the dpad is god tier. and it's only 35 bucks for a wireless one. 2.4 ghz and not bluetooth so theres no lag.
One thing about leverless controllers i love is how there also the one that is most comfortable for me. Since I have wrist issues I can play the levelers alot longer because there's slot less wrist movements compared to arcade and even pads
I have a Hori arcade stick, my friend built his own only buttons controller like a hitbox. The one thing that we agree is having those big arcade buttons instead of the ones in the pads is awesome 😊
*Gamepad. Joystick.*
Seriously, for most people thats the most sensible way to enjoy these games, its what you do for basically everything else, it just makes sense!
Another key thing about the leverless controllers, is that they're super ergonomic. so if you have wrist or finger pain, or joint issues; you may want to consider them
Its always interesting to see this topic crop up every now in then
Me personally, I am currently trying to train myself to use a fightstick (Mayflash f101 with Sanwa parts modded in, if anyone wants to ask) cause games like BBTAG and especially Centralfiction and the recent SF6 demo starting to hurt on pad, but since trying these games on stick, its not only more comfortable, but inputs are far easier (only downside I honestly have is that mine feels a little too cramped for my right hand to rest and press buttons. Not unusable, just a bit distracting)
......also the monkey part of my brain just loves pressing them buttons and the loud noise they make. I am a very simple man with simple needs. Sanwa plastic smashing against Sanwa plastic is just cathartic to me
Everyone says "don't play with analog sticks, they're not accurate and its gonna make you drop combos" personally i think that's bullshit, the D-Pad is only better for dashing, everything else can easily be done with the Stick (and it also feels better).
So because of that i'd say that Pad controlers are the best
A weird controller idea i had a while back was essentially a stick setup, but replace the stick with a touchpad(or some kind of trackpad?); letting the player essentially draw motion inputs instead of pushing a stick around. I mainly use pad since my fingers kept drifting off the attack buttons when i try to work my keyboard like a leverless, but its an idea that pops into my head every once in a while.
that sounds dope actually, as someone who used to play everything on keyboard with the arrow keys I had a similar thought but with a stylus configuration like in osu. But it would be pretty difficult to implement in practice to be able to recognize specific movements when they’re going to be slightly different every time
@@twixchexmix true. You could probably program the touchpad to be divided into sections(something like the numpad on the keyboard), so the player just has to draw through each section, but who knows how much work that would take.
This sounds really interesting, I'd love to try this if it were real lol
sound interesting, but the main con I can think of is the lack of tactility. maybe you can do something like the steam controller where you can add haptics, but that would also add complexity
"Using your middle finger to move forward feels strange".
Me, a user of VIM for 10 years: I think I have finally found my call.
I like using analog sticks on my controller actually
Wait don't you just user the ring finger in regular wasd layout? Like wouldn't hitbox layout just be the same thing but instead of "w" to up you juts bind space bar to up?
Yeah, when he said "you use your ring finger to go left and that feels *wrong*", I was like "Wait, isn't that just how it works normally?"
i have tried both the pad and the keyboard, honestly the keyboard feels way more comfortable, as i can have one finger on each button, instead of moving my thumb around. Also, using the analog on the controller feels way better than the pad, i still don't understand why people say that it's worse when it works the same way as arcade sticks (i think)
I uses Keyboard (custom keybind to be like hitbox) and it's an eye opening after using gamepads for fighting games for so long, so many input comes out easier since you don't need to do a full rotation and instead just press direction button for many special move. Since gamepad joystick part is way too small for fighting game move while Sticks, to me, is a bit too big for movement input.
I think you neglected one of the easiest arguments in favour of sticks.
To me at least.
Guilty Gear's button layout is perfect for pad, because you have 4 main attack buttons, with Dust being a bit more situational, so it being a shoulder button is pretty easy to work into your brain. Especially in +R where it also handles EX moves kinda.
But whenever I tried out demos for 6 button fighters like Street Fighter or Skullgirls, the way they ask you to treat R1 and R2 as if they were any other face button I literally just can't get around. It feels unbelievably unintuitive imo
Maybe it's because I grew up using Playstation controllers to play FGs, but personally it's the opposite for me. It feels comfortable to me, to the point that it feels "weird" to not HP and HK with R1 and R2.
I feel the opposite tbh feels way easier for me
The thing that got me into fighting games was Xrd 2 on the PS4. The pad made me feel horrible, but I just learned how to do the quarter and half circle movement, and moved on. Later, I would start Guily Gear Strive on PC and bought a stick at the same time. It was a blast. Made everything so much easier, and I would never regret buying one.
Just when I thought gekko couldn't influence me, he's got me looking into building my own fight stick
I was hoping he'd mention customs
I actually use a fighting commander which is a game pad that has a six button face layout and designed for high comfort and precision.
If you're unsure about controllers I cannot recommend it as an option enough
Same here with the hori fight commander octa! I absolutely love it for SF.
Do you like using the stick or d pad with this type of controller
@@imliam7379 hmm depends.
Sometimes I have to turn over to stick for certain things and forget.
Not too sure the difference but I want to say stick
I use the pad that came with my Series X the D-pad’s just really good and works really well for motion inputs.
I play both stick and pad for certain games. games like BBtag, Unist and Tekken 7 I mostly play on pad while SF, Gear and P4AU I play on stick. Both control schemes are a lot of fun
I play on controller thumb stick and do special to special cancels with Nagoriyuki so play with what you want to play on whether that be a stick box or Wii Steering Wheel; you can do it!
i bought an arcade stick back in 2011 when I got into fighting games, and I LOVED using it. Pressing the giant buttons felt so good. I used some form of a stick all the way up until 2022 when I went to my first in-person tournament and couldn't fit my arcade stick into my baggage with me on the plane. Conveniently, the Snackbox Micro team was at the tournament and had a demo booth. I had been on the fence about switching to leverless, but once I got it in my hands, I fell in love with it. I bought a Snackbox last September and it only took me a week to get used to it. Now, my Snackbox Micro is my favorite controller I've used for fighting games.
Tl;dw the best controller is the one you're most comfortable using, as long as it's legal
Me watching this knowing damn well I'll never go outta my way to get a new controller: "hmm interesting, interesting"
Thanks Gekko. I'm gonna see if i can find success with my DDR Dance Pad
I remember worrying about getting a fightstick when Strive came out since it would be the first game I'd take seriously. "Fortunately" the Xbox One pad I was using broke at the time so the money I spent replacing it with a Series S controller kinda blocked me out of that option for a while. Turns out I absolutely love using it for 4-5 button games! It was specifically 6 button games giving me a bad feel for it. I got an 8bitdo M30 for 6 button fighters and have been having a good time ever since.
I love using the hitbox crossup. It makes me feel good.
I use mayflash F500 Elite. Also I'm so glad you said WASD layout over the hitbox style. I want to build a stick with a lever AND a WASD style layout of buttons. One thing it would help with is times in games where I need the right stick. But all in all yeah that is my dream stick I'll get/build one day.
i find it extremely funny that he was talking about how the snackbox and keybox fusion could fit in your pocket, so i looked them up, clicked on the first site, then gekko INSTANTLY says "and sold through etsy" i check the site and, sure enough, it was etsy.
One controller that I saw at my locals was an "Ergobox". Presumably that's the brand name. Basically it's a leverless, but instead of a flat surface, it had a large trapezium-shaped raised part in the middle that's tall enough for you to place your hands on. The buttons were situated on the sloping sides of this raised part.
I assume the reasoning for this design is based on the idea that if you just place your hands in front of you as though you were resting them on a keyboard or fighting game controller, but don't put any effort into rotating your hands, your fingers naturally rest in a sort of sloping position that matches the arrangement of the Ergobox's buttons. Therefore, the controller is more ergonomic, as no wrist rotation is required to reach anything.
Bro quoted Nietzsche when showing the home made controller 💀
11:40 Unless you're using American style joysticks, or other similar sticks, there's no need to buy a specialized bag to transport your arcade stick. Not anymore. I have the Link EX-Groove JLF installed in my arcade stick. I can pop the lollipop off the stick in less than a second, shove it in my pocket, shove the stick into any large backpack, and I'm done. I can then put the stick back on when necessary in under a second. This is all done without any tools.
Part of that small and ever growing group
I'm currently using a DIY arcade stick version 2 which uses Sanwa lever with 3 or 4lb spring (I forgot, but I like it stiff), Crown 202 buttons for 4 buttons on the left, Sanwa OBSF-30 for the 4 buttons on the right, some 3rd party 24mm buttons with 2 of them havubg bright red led, and all of them run using the Zero Delay PCB board all contained in a plastic storage box thing with acrylic as the top. I have to use glove in order to play due to acrylic and exposed screw on the top biting into the skin. Aside from that, it felt really great and feel happy that I switched from pad years ago cause it hurts my left thumb as much as I like my xbox one controller dpad.
There's also that one controller that's basically an Arcadestick with an attachable D-pad replacing the Joystick. It seems interesting.
I didn’t know that it was recommend to use a d-pad on a regular controller, I normally use the stick.
I also do own an arcade stick but i find it difficult to use. Might try it again soon though and try the d-pad method for my controller
People that tell you leverless is the best don't know what they're talking about, that's very game specific. The problem comes down to the Capcom being the 800lbs gorilla in the room in terms of visibility while simultaneously having some of the most poorly thought out input shortcuts built into their games. Games that are more persnickety about their inputs or use longer inputs such as full half circles (SFV doesn't have proper half circle inputs for example, you can do them from crouching) suddenly become noticeably harder on leverless.
I can see SNK inputs being a nightmare on levelers
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it's the hitbox, it can turn a person who can't fireball consistently into someone who can
5:39 I actually use a xbox gamepad in Tekken and I've found that sliding your thumb over the buttons is really effective for those consecutive inputs that the game demands from you.
x+y/y+x you can simply slide your thumb up and down these buttons fairly easily.
a+b/b+a same thing, the sliding feels really nice.
a+x/x+a/b+y/y+b I stick my thumb out across these buttons, if I need to press a or b first I'll joint my thumb down and then press down with the face of my thumb as if it were doing the worm, if I need to do x or y the face will come down first and then thumb joint.
If I need to press any 3 buttons I'll do the first two really quickly and have enough buffer time to press the last given button normally. It's easier to show than explain. I am just far more comfortable on pad besides M&K for shooters it's what I've learned to use really really well.
Keyboard player here - its neat. I struggle a bit doing like, vertical half circles or 360s, but I dont play any characters that use them. Plus, i already had keyboards 1 lying around my house 2 connected to my laptop so i never had to worry about the cost. I bought a pad for playing fighting games, hated it, and went right back to keyboard. I have recently moved my up key from w to space, and that seems to help quite a bit
Have you tried a hitbox style layout controller?
I play some fighting games with a IIDX controller. Very fun
I'm looking at my phoenixwan wondering how the hell I'd even approach doing that lmao
Gotta have the DP style controller lol. Tho I'm sure you could play something with just 1p side. Or using the ezmax controller would be good too. The Muse-on controller can work as well since it has one extra black button.
@@darkshortyx Ahh gotcha yeah a DP controller would make it simple. For a single controller I could maybe see playing a 4 button game, put those on the right, use the remaining 3 for L/D/R then map jump to the turntable.
@@riffcrypt8438 can always use effector buttons as well
I think one thing you didn't bring up in favor of stick is the thing that got _me_ to get one: *A ton of fighting games nowadays are designed with it in mind, or at the very least feel like they are.* I mean seriously, look at something like training mode input displays. I bought Skullgirls long before I had a stick and I was dogshit at it. I was having fun but not a _lot._ Switching from pad to stick immediately and noticably improved my play at it. So it did with Tekken. I'm still dogshit at both, and generally most games I touch, but now I feel like it's a skill issue instead of my control method not being "the correct one." GGXrd I'm a bit worse at with stick but it likely comes down to lack of practice, and Mortal Kombat X is a game that I'm _much_ worse at because that series doesn't have as rich a history of arcade releases, the last one that made it to arcade was MK4 one, and thus is likely made with pad in mind.
I ended up getting a hitbox, not for SOCD, or clean inputs, but just because it's far far easier on my wrists and fingers than my pads were. Kinda feels shitty when people just make blanket judgements based on the controller you use, but hey, it's the FGC. Pick a zoner and you get called a slur.
I seriously play pad with analog movement, switching to DPAD for certian movements. I started this habbit in preschool and refuse to change for anything lol
I started on a pad then switched to a stick before getting my dad to modify it to have one of those arrow key things. The Odin V2 I think is its name. The reason I switched to stick in the first place is because trying to do ex moves on 3rd Strike felt impossible, especially without an input buffer. I know I could've used a macro but my dumb brain refused to do that for some reason but I'm glad I didn't because now I can't think of playing fighting games without my stick. It's just so much more comfortable for me. I'm planning on commissioning one of my friends to make art for this thing pretty soon.
Analog stick gang where are y'all ? I have been playing fighting game with an analog stick since I was a kid my man and I will say it is still accurate enough to do some punching gaming
I've been playing ggs since october on PC with a switch Pro Controller using the Stick for movement
The best controll is the motion controlls or guilty gear xxon wii(this is real btw)
You can't stop me. I've been using the analog stick for a year now and I have become one with the stick drift.
You literaly made the conversation we had a few days ago in a vid xD
I'm having to look for a new gamepad with a six button loadout so I can bind all of the inputs to my hearts content
For a high quality, "budget friendly" arcade stick, I gotta shout out the Mayflash F500 elite. The elite version has all Sanwa parts, has replaceable art, and costs around 150 bucks. You realistically won't find a cheaper stick with Sanwa parts, just make sure you're looking for the "elite" model.
ngl, I have been stuck to a keyboard layout my whole life (never was able to afford a console) and after getting used to motion inputs it was a dream
The quick and snappy clack of the keys every time I do a motion input and how satisfying it is to do 236/214 motions completely wins me over, even if i had the opportunity to own a stick, ill probably pass on it until I can just try it for free for a while.
also ragequiting is the easiest thing to do if needed XD
1:16 If you laughed at this, you're a Touhou Fan who likes Sakuya.
Also,
The Arcade Classic Controller is my favourite controller I don't know how to use
I have messed up fingers so using a arcade stick with my wrist is fantastic.
So I have two controllers for PC, one is used for any games that aren’t better suited for keyboard, the other is strictly used for fighting games or as player 2. The one for fighting games is a Logitech joypad with the layout similar to PS controllers but with one key difference; the d-pad is a disc with raised cardinals. This is now my best controller for fighting games, but sadly only works on PC (not that its a problem as most if not all my fighting games are on Steam). I barely drop inputs with that thing. I am interested in trying keyboard at some point.
I feel called out for using the analog stick.
1:45 nah, I will not stop xd.
632146 on D-pad turns into 632148 cause of pressing 4 and 6 causes 8 being pressed.
My mans watchin that trackmania video too i see
I tend to alternate between pad and arcade stick depending on the game in question, with seemingly no rhyme or reason behind the decision for most of them beyond "has six normals"
The only real difference between the WASD and and Box styles for leverless is that for WASD, W, (ie:forward) is up and for Box, space (ie:jump) is up.
I like space being my jump/up button, it's intuitive to me.
1:42 I use D-pad for Mortal Kombat and Soul Calibur and analog stick for everything else. I do sometimes get DP & fireball inputs messed up but it doesn't happen often enough to really effect my play. I do want to eventually just learn stick someday.
"Please dont use the analog sick"
My ass with 600 hours in FGs with exclusively stick seeing this: 😐
i like stick because on the rare occasion that i get to play on a cab its seamless.
I personally bough a 50$ stick and i fucking love it. It works on pc, ps4, ps5, xbox one, xbox series, android, FUCKING NEO GEO
Me personally I like using joycons, so that me and my arthritis riddled grandfather have equal footing
2:38 i feel called out
The only reason I got into fighting games about two years ago was because I started using a keyboard. FGs always looked cool, but I HATED using pads. My inputs were just a shitshow both for directions and pressing multiple attack buttons at the same time. I tried brute forcing it for a week but then saw a comment of someone in a Skullgirls thread saying "why don't you just use a keyboard?"
I tried it and it instantly clicked in my head. FGs became one of my favourite genres since and I play them whenever I have time. Just wish there was ANY local tournament scene in my country (literally 0).
12:17 At least one TSA agent in every tournament trip I take will ask me what my custom Mixbox is for, just in a general curiosity over it, not as a security concern. One guy was interested in Tekken 7 and asked me who I main.
Me, who use a Dualshock and use the analog for some inputs and the dpad for others.
As somebody who uses keyboard for fighting games, it’s absolutely horrid to try to go to locals with a keyboard, and many an hour of mine has been spent crying in the club because of this
I am the proud owner of an Etsy ButtonBox controller after I switched to keyboard but wanted a way to play on console too
GekkoSquirrel : "Literal decades of familiarities is not something you can't just ignore when choosing a controller."
Also That one guy from the FGC who always showed up when you start learning FG : "DiD yOu boUgHt A FiGhT sTicK YeT?
I thougth that i was an idiot, because after half a year on playing pad in DBFZ i switched to stick (second best desicion in life) and i loving it! Although i did not liked buttons and because i'm a keyboard nerd i decited to replays them with buttons that can you keyboard switches. Buttons cool, but now most of family says that they don't love them. The thing is, THEY ARE MORE QUITE THEN SAWNA CLONES. By the way my is 8BitDo Arcade stick, great but could be better
I ended up shelling out money for a Victrix Pro BFG, which is a pad controller that can be all in one. And by all in one, I mean it can be Xbox style, PS style, switch the D-pad to something more accurate or better for your thumb, remove the analog if you're not using it, or switch the right buttons for a fightpad. It's not bluetooth but comes with it's own wireless system. I upgraded from a Hori Fighting Commander, it wasn't doing it for me for some reason. And if you end up hating fighting games after buying it, it can still work for everything else, so you didn't drop $180 (it's a premium controller) for a genre you don't play anymore.
As cool as arcade sticks are, I tried and couldn’t get used to them.
Maybe it’s because of the passage of time, but I don’t remember there being a “you have to use arcade sticks to be competitive” thing. I remember it being advised to get stick but not thought to be a requirement.
I recall it but pretty much only with street fighter 4. Plinking, pianoing, and negative edge stuff was much more difficult on pad so I remember it being recommended to play stick.
my go to is a wired
360 pad (weird i know) but i barely drop combos with it
The answer: Whatever's the most comfortable and consistent, full stop. If you can put in inputs the way you like on a controller, and it's colmfortable for your preferred play time. That's the one.
by far my favorite part of box is showing people who dont play fighting games my controller and they just go wtf is that abomination
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To be honest i always had problems doing motion inputs with pads when facing left so it didn't change a bit.
20:18 want to add that "getting used to" problem completely disappears if you played a lot of games on pc. There is not that much difference between fps and fighting games on a keyboard
play strive with a pad, And do use analogue sticks, But primarily because im a Goldlewis main and the sticks make spamming Behemoth typhoons pretty easy
My best feeling controller is my cabled switch controller, due to the stick being relatively wide, which means I don't have to move it a lot for a full direction, the awful thing is Steam doesn't seem to support it.
don't forget to mention that learning a stick takes actual time, it's an entirely different set of muscle memorization. also, the actual stick part isn't an advantage, you can pull of moves easier with a pad, the advantage is the face buttons for pressing two or more buttons at the same time. for people who play on pc and want a good fighting game controller, you can't go wrong with the sega saturn wireless pad from retro bit, it's amazing, best dpad on the market still for fighting games.
You should have mentioned fightpads in the gamepad section. its a mix between stick and pad like the Razer Raion
The last console I had was Sega Genesis. I play fighting games on PC, using a keyboard. I actually I'm pretty bad with pads when it comes to fighting games 😂
Imma be honest here, I'm part of the analogic crew. I couldn't even fathom how ppl are able to input specials with a d-pad.
I switched to Fightstick after giving myself a blister practicing Rekka with Ram.
Didn't even end up playing her.
A year later and now I have two fightsticks and a hitbox.
Send help
can we talk about how busted the analog stick is on gekkos controller?
I used a stick and moved to a hitbox. To me i found myself jumping way more when i tried to do a super with a stick while the hitbox let me reduce accidental jumps in a huge way. I would recommend people go to stick because its the most universal control scheme while hitbox moving forward will start to feel more and more different with each game. And sticks can be used on more platforms to this day hitboxes still cant be used on ps5 unless youre playing a ps4 version of a game.
This was me with the accidental jumps. in Injustice, Grundy could cancel his Walking Corpse command grab by inputting down back.. and if I accidentally got a jump back then I pretty much lost the game because Grundy literally never wanted to jump away from you 😂
@@joncliffmckinley5868 thats also me as baiken in strive when i try for a parry and i get a jump.
If you can‘t do motion inputs on the ps4 pad. Try the Xbox Series X pad. It is way easier for me because the pad is a circle✌️
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Gear knob and radio buttons.
I use all of them interchangeably because k have an addiction for buying and making new controllers 😅
Wait, I've been using the analog stick to play fighting games for years.
Is that bad for the controller??
I play fighting games on handheld mode with the switch and steam deck and I also use the analogs. what does that make me?
Ddr dance pad is my personal favourite
Playing SF on anything but a pad feels wrong, but playing Tekken on anything but a keyboard feels eldritch (ESPECIALLY pad)