This card is a beautiful piece of art tbh. The heatsink for budget card has a too nice matte black color. The industrial-ish design reminds me of EVGA.
It means youre better engineer than nvidia folks as you managed to keep device functional and same performance while simplifying it and cost cutting ; )
I appreciate it makes it cheaper but the lack innovation is surprising and not sure it’s to be applauded to churn out something very basic and let the partners come out with better solutions.
@@Collin_J then they’re no great loss. Imagine a partner that basically has to say “can you make your cards worse or we look bad”. I appreciate it has zero impact on frame rates but the FE cards are beautifully built compared to tat AMD is churning out.
@@BikingChap It's a 165 W GPU. You don't need innovation to get rid of that heat, and that's the point. Useless complications would just make it more expensive
Everything looks fitting for a $200 card, no major surprises here. B.t.w, Steve, are you planning on doing more pre-built system reviews? I really miss those and I'd enjoy seeing more of them, even the reviews of systems that are actually built well and don't have amusingly bad flaws.
Hey GN, I was wondering if you had anything weird going on with the PEG 8 pin connectors on the 7600, I saw TechPowerUp mentioned interference between the 6+2-type plugs and the reference card's backplate requiring a removal of the backplate for proper mating of the connectors. Seemed like an oversight by AMD to me, but I'd also figure that you'd have reported on it had it occured to you.
The small size should make it a decent option for HTPC or small ITX builds. Being faster than the 3060 makes it roughly as powerful as the 1080ti, though with less VRAM.
I'm not gonna talk about pricing/power, but cooler and pcb design in my opinion is great. It looks like it's build to last. If it had hot-swap coolers like Sapphire has, that'd be too great to be true.
"If you're having trouble with the connector... walk away for three days and come back when your finger nails are longer" Can't tell you how many times I have thought this exact thing but never put it into words, love it!
This card could be the number 1 steam chart GPU replacing the 1650 if it should have been priced at 200usd, making the rx6600 second hand market obsolete.
But why would AMD make a Product that is so much better than the 6600 and make that one bad… that would mean they cant sell their old Lowend anymore. I mean… you understand they NEED to sell those as well before going forward.
@@ZackSNetwork Honestly people are making a bigger deal out of the 8gb of vram and 128bit bus than it really is. I have a rx6600 (non xt) which has 8gb vram and a 128 bit bus, and I have not ran into any situation where I have issues with the vram or huge performance drops. All my games run smooth and for the most part the rx6600 can handle nearly everything at 1080p at high to ultra settings. The only time you would run into issues is with brand new games or performance hogs like cyberpunk.
@@flimermithrandir i dont think AMD are still making 6600, the only ones you can buy 6600 are in second hand market having a 200+usd pricing which is the most price to performance you can buy on a 1080p gaming. If they can match that price, then people would rather buy 7600 than a second hand 6600 from miners
I like how they put a good number of screws on the card and how they are evenly distributed. We just have to remember to put all of the screws back in when we're reassembling the card!
any particular reason to say that? This card looks just fine, underengineered/overbuilt -> excellent. Not over-torqued screws. A single fan connector. The fan cable guides are a nice touch too. My only minor complaint is using PH1 instead of TX8 (or inner hex)
6000 series is slowly disappearing from stores, that's the only reason AMD held back this card. These chips were done months ago. I wager by August, we will be hard pressed to find any 6000 cards, aside from the 6500/6400 trash.
I kind of like how it looks like you can put it back together without the shroud and fans if you wanted to try to build a passive cooling build or strap your own fans on there haha. But really looks very serviceable, fans look very easily replaceable even looked like you could replace each fan separately instead of needing to do both. Will be interested to see the thermals.
Small niche request. Would it be possible to include deshroud measurements for those that might be interested in the mod? I know some GPUs aren't suitable and that would also be useful information.
The fan thickness is 15mm. As usual with most of open-flow graphic card And indeed, when people put 15mm fan on their deshroud, it adds no extra thickness
@@bocahdongo7769 In my case, I'm looking to know the thickness of the PCB and the heat exchanger without the fans or shroud. Then in a case like an NR200 or Torrent Nano, use nice fans on the bottom of the case and have the shroudless card rest directly on those fans. Using an adapter cable to plug the fans into the GPU fan out so the GPU can control the fans. Also if removing the shroud means the difference between a better card fitting in the small case, that would be helpful to know as well. With so many different thickness fans you could take this information to buy the correct fans when doing the initial build of the PC.
Blower coolers have their place, but not for most people. I'd love to have a blower option for certain applications though. Hd7970 was the last blower card I had, but worked awesome for exhausting directly out of the case
Seeing how the ports are only on the lower part of the card, how a one slot design would work? Obviously, the perfomance would suffer, but for many folks that use smaller cases, this would be still great. Do you have any means to test this ?
because it's just your standard reference PCB while nvidia's is completely custom to fit their cooler design. nvidia decided to drop their reference PCB's completely with 40 series but 30 series had the custom nvidia FE PCB and the standard full size reference PCB for all their cards that board partners could use.
It's the epitome of "this is good enough". A fin stack and two heatpipes is normally good for around 150 watts, the zillions of embarrassingly cheap RX 570s in late 2019/early 2020 used exactly that design, and they were thermally limited for the most part. It is a little disappointing to see first party cards be at this kind of basic level but hey, AMD doesn't want to compete with its partners. Maybe it remembers what 3DFX did.
Some of the comments of self proclaimed business experts expressing their genius ideas of what AMD “should” have done, makes me think business should be absolutely mandatory in schools
More heat can come out the back of a board usually, unless they are special components that can be top side cooled. Reason being the path between the component and the back of the board is primarily copper typically(vias), while the top of the component is plastic. At least for MOSFETs, may be different for memory modules since a FET has 100% connectivity between the back of the component and the rear outside layer of the board, and a memory module is mostly making connections to different internal layers and not going all the way through.
Steve and team. PLZ do a video on the gains of the 50/60 series gpus over the years vs the 70/80 series. Its to showcase how stagnant the low end has been and it would tie in perfectly for a video on how much a shit show the lower end is. Would love to see it layed out in graphs
sub $300 price point, solid, proven design that, while it lacks innovation, is a good base for AIBs.... Honestly this might be a steam chart topping GPU.
I like how mature AMD products look. So many GPU look like the wet-dream of children and teens, who realistically are not the target purchasing audience, and they honestly look so cheap (Asrock, I'm looking at you).
I really like that you guys are self funded, and have purchased a few of your products. One suggestion, if youre going to do an infomercial for the product during the teardown, could you refrain from putting a pre-roll ad for the same thing? its not a huge thing, but i watch your videos while gaming or working on other things. When i hear the same ad, i leave the video thinking its one ive already seen. That might just be my add overthinking it, but i love the work and keep the videos coming.
@@spankeyfish theyre controlled by google if you impliment them. when channels like GN, HUB or Paul's Hardware do their own ads, they are usually edited beforehand and dropped into videos (hence why you see the same ones for short durations of time, no longer than a month or two). My suggestion was simply to both cut down on total video time *and* help reduce the number of times they repeat information, which i think is another fair criticism to levy at many TH-cam, GN among them. If your video is 15 minutes long and there's a 30 second ad then a minute ad while disassembling a card about two minutes later, that ad density can be a little much.
3:30 - Of that type, yes. But I just got a stock/reference 6950XT (because of that price-drop, obviously, like a bunch of other people) and it runs frickin' hot. - I mean, I think I hit just over a hundred degrees, in a very arid case where three sides are all meshed up (heh), plus half the bottom is perforated, with 2x140mm intakes on the side blowing right ONTO the card's fans (cause my motherboard-orientation is horizontal), and then 2x140mm out the top, plus a 120mm out the back through a radiator for the CPU. - However, this card still easily goes over 90 degrees, occasionally just over a hundred if it's doing certain things, which doesn't seem right. I believe the "limit" for this card is even at like 105 or something, that I read, or a little higher even. So AMD will claim it's fine, but to run it like this for a long time... I'm no engineer, but I'm also not so sure about that. (And I'm talking about the junction-temperature, by the way, so the actual hottest measurement.) I feel like the very "encased" design, with no grille on the "back" (where the I/O-bracket is) for a little extra air-escape, especially since the card's own fans blow INTO the casing, and then also no opening on the other end. It just seems like heat gets trapped in there, so I kinda wish they had made the extension with a "flow-through" and put on a fourth fan (the three on it aren't those very large ones). - Don't get me wrong, I like that it's actually fairly compact (I tried the MERC 6800XT by XFX and I had to drop it into the case at an angle, which only just worked) like this neat "block" or "cartridge" and it's not annoyingly(!) loud when the fans are up. But man, it needs more ventilation to breathe. - That said, I previously used the 5700 by XFX with the more plain black cooler, which is actually way more "open" on all sides (even the backplate has slits in it), that also ran a bit hot, which I then re-pasted (and also kind of re-organized any pads that were even a little off) and it ran about 5-10 degrees cooler. So perhaps it's once again a crap application, even though it's by AMD as opposed to XFX, and it could help to check and re-do it. I don't know. I'm always a bit nervous to take sensitive electronics apart, especially now that I went with something way more expensive than before. - I mean, if I mess up a 300-something Euro card... egh, painful, but OK, I messed that up and I can take the hit. But something of 600-something Euros... It makes me nervous thinking about taking it apart. - I know it's probably fine, but I'm just worried about nicking some small component or shorting something, even though I'm very careful and methodical.
I do love backplates, dust/corrosion can get everywhere after years of use and protecting those microcircuits from short-circuits becomes more relevant as they shrink distance on contacts over the years, specially consider that part is expose to any dust falling by gravity alone.
Nice, simple design. But a note, metal on metal aluminum contact is higher W/mK (~238 W/mK transfer rate) than metal on thermal pad on metal, because the weakest link in that chain is 6.5 W/mK at best (the thermal pad). Thermal pads act more as heat insulators than heat conductors. If you are that worried about it though, just apply a thin smear of thermal paste where the metals contact to maximize contact, filling in the gaps with 7+ W/mK to compliment the 200+ W/mK of metal on metal, rather than limit the entire transfer to sub 6.5 W/mK. At least AMD has started applying pastes to the die rather than overly thick thermal pads on the die which contribute to swifter burnout from minimal contact through what is practically an insulator.
@@bayanzabihiyan7465 I have seen firsthand the thermal pads on AMD, they are actually rather thick. 2mm thermal pad with a 1mm gap hard stop on the screws. That is why the spacer/washer mod exists in the first place. 1mm pads on the memory are typically plenty sufficient, but the 2mm on the dies themselves, not so great at all.
6 years ago the RX 7600 would have been considered a really high end card steamrolling any game you threw at it. But in the year 2023 it's a cute cheap little graphics card aimed at the low end market segment. Hardware progression is fascinating.
Except that the innovation and improvement has stagnated hard in the last 4 years if you compare it to the previous progression of the 7XX to 9XX to 10XX then 20XX to 30XX.
This stuff is really interesting for me but I have no idea what all the components on the PSB are. Where can I learn about all the components of a GPU PCB and other computer PCBs?
It's been said that this Reference model will never be actually sold, it's just a proof of concept that's been sent to reviewers for review The only 7600s that will be available to the public should all be partner models according to that rumor/leak
Exactly. The launch prices are pure BS too, FE cards from either manufacturers rarely make it out of the US. Once the board partners start strapping their own stupid coolers and mild overclocks on them the price will quickly jump $100. Which will make the card even worse value.
@@jamezxh board partners for AMD almost always have MSRP non reference models, and they’re almost always better performers as well. You may be thinking of nvidia and how it deals with board partners.
@@jamezxh All of AMD's reference designs in recent years have been sold in Europe at least. You can still buy a reference 6950 XT and both the 7900 XT and XTX ones are available. As are non-reference, but at MSRP (and actually below MSRP at this point) designs from partners. A member of staff from a UK web store has also already confirmed that they will have models priced at MSRP available at launch for the 7600.
@@jamezxh last i checked the US exists. so even if those prices don't "make it out of the US" its still a launch price lmao. live in a better country or something then idk what to tell you
However, we didn't see a couple of MCD dies for 128bit of memory bus, perhaps the MCM flexibility doesn't work for low cost chips, waiting to find out what the 7800XT will look like.
There's seems to be decent amounts of airflow for its VRM but where does that hot air exactly exhaust to, to the side of the card, because there is almost no space for it, who designed this?
Isn't Navi 33 kinda like a Navi 23 shink, but 6N instead of 7N? If yes AMD should have gone with Navi 22 shrink instead to have the option to add 1 or 2 chips of vram.
i want steve to watch the "turbo encabulator" video and put in some references to it in these videos, completely deadpan. like "a baseplate made of prefamulated amulite" type thing.
Honestly I like the very simple, "not invent the wheel" solution here (cooler and pcb form factor). If it's not some new breakthrough technology, I'd rather have it like this and reduce cost to the consumer (if they plan on making it cheaper for the consumer, not only for themself).
I am curious what the difference of a reference card vs a board partner overclocked in terms of the PCB? Does AMD sell the entire fully populated PCB to the board partners or just the GPU itself?
Should've added an extra heatpipe and some more surface area in the actual cooler. Two isn't great for a 165W TDP chip and would've helped a lot in transfering heat to the fin stack. The cost would be negligible to the overall BOM. The design looks good though. The only other thing I would change in the fins orientation and have it stacked sideways to let the fans push the heat out of the system on one side.
I really love AMD's cooler designs for the RX 6000 and 7000 series GPUs, they just look so damn cool. Aesthetics are a matter of preference, of course, but I think AMD knocked it out of the park. Steve's title notwithstanding, they've learned a lot over the years.
Personally I prefer the silver and black design of the 6000 series reference design than the boring matte black if the 7000 series. But I guess it is stealthy if you like that. Ultimately it is the performance that matters.
They're not sinking the fourth memory module because the triangle on the backplates protrudes through and would put extra pressure just on that module. Probably didn't realize that until it was too late in production/development.
I like your comment on why it doesn't make sense to put a vapour chamber in the card and it would be great if the partners listened, because they've been doing exactly that. Why the hell do we have a 460Ti with 3x fans and with 1.5 of those being purely flow through? The thing uses 120W. It could be cooled by a flower style cooler and cost half the price. I have no idea why this generation they decided that all cards should run at 50C, instead of the normal 70-80C we've seen for decades
What's the difference between phase-change thermo interface with pre-applied thermo paste? They appear the same to me... Unlike "Phase change cooling" (e.g. heat pumps/ heat pipes) vs justncopper core.
Push out effect - phase-change thermo interface didn't have it. Thats why you not forced to change it in long time period (and your hotspot not rises into the stratosphere). Phase-change thermo interface melted when chip is hot and solidify while cold.
7:55 "just remember to grab the connector,not the wire and if you have trouble with it,walk away for 3 days and come back, when your fingernails are longer"
No chance these have the same issues the 6800XT Coolers had if out on a GPU riser the heatsink became useless? Hoping they didn't reuse unsold GPU coolers for older generation GPUs.
Comparing this design to the reference design on the previous, similarly priced 7000 series gpu (hd7950) I would say they at least improved a bit on the cooler design.
Is it possible that again only 8 lanes go to the GPU itself? It may not bring more performance but why should an 8 lane PCIe card consume a 16 lane slot..
I am planning to purchase the RX7900XT Sapphire Pulse 20GB OC, however, the reviews online regarding the overheating of the cards due to the vapour chambers have got me a bit worried, and I am having second thoughts.I'd really appreciate if anyone could let me know if the issue has been resolved or is still an ongoing issue...
@@connieclarke5855 I desagree with you, GPU in 2016 RX 480 have 8GB with MSRP only 229 dollar. and after 7 years they charge us costumer 270 with no improvement whatsoever in VRAM size? I expect at least minimum 10GB or better 12GB at this price point. RX 7600 is supposed to be priced arround 169 dollar. or this was to be compared with RX 460 4GB as a improvement generational with MSRP 100 dollar back then.
as long as your distro is relatively up to date with the kernel and mesa version then i would assume pretty good, at least on wayland, i have a 7900 XTX on linux and everything has been good
This card is a beautiful piece of art tbh. The heatsink for budget card has a too nice matte black color. The industrial-ish design reminds me of EVGA.
I do like their 7000 reference cooler shroud design a lot.
EVGA was a giant... They did not make cheap parts. 😂
I recently took apart my 970 FE and you're not kidding theres like 100 TINY screws that I have 4 extra of after reassembly.
Working as intended though!
Hope it's not the 4 tension screws for the leaf spring lol
It means youre better engineer than nvidia folks as you managed to keep device functional and same performance while simplifying it and cost cutting ; )
@@sznikers You forget recycling, when at Christmas time building a PC and need a couple of those screws for mods...
Take it apart and put it back together enough times, and you should eventually have enough parts to build a 2nd card
Seeing a simpler, proven design functionally implemented is refreshing tbh
I appreciate it makes it cheaper but the lack innovation is surprising and not sure it’s to be applauded to churn out something very basic and let the partners come out with better solutions.
@@BikingChap Part of the reason we lost EVGA in the graphics card space is because Nvidia kept making better coolers and taking sales from AIBs.
@@Collin_J not just good coolers nvidia allegedly doesn't leave AIBs almost any margin anymore upselling them their gpus
@@Collin_J then they’re no great loss. Imagine a partner that basically has to say “can you make your cards worse or we look bad”. I appreciate it has zero impact on frame rates but the FE cards are beautifully built compared to tat AMD is churning out.
@@BikingChap It's a 165 W GPU. You don't need innovation to get rid of that heat, and that's the point. Useless complications would just make it more expensive
All future teardown videos should fearure an on-screen screw count graphic.
Everything looks fitting for a $200 card, no major surprises here. B.t.w, Steve, are you planning on doing more pre-built system reviews? I really miss those and I'd enjoy seeing more of them, even the reviews of systems that are actually built well and don't have amusingly bad flaws.
Hey GN, I was wondering if you had anything weird going on with the PEG 8 pin connectors on the 7600, I saw TechPowerUp mentioned interference between the 6+2-type plugs and the reference card's backplate requiring a removal of the backplate for proper mating of the connectors. Seemed like an oversight by AMD to me, but I'd also figure that you'd have reported on it had it occured to you.
Just mush the connector in harder haha
@@nothin1456 don't forget to lubricate it with mix of ammonia and bleach haha
The small size should make it a decent option for HTPC or small ITX builds. Being faster than the 3060 makes it roughly as powerful as the 1080ti, though with less VRAM.
The 1080ti is timeless.
@@goryramsy I’m honestly still getting a ton of juice out of 1070ti too
Expect another 1080ti never. I bet AMD regrets Polaris too.
If this card had 12Gb of VRAM i would call it a good card but damm.... I don't know if is useful at all
I expect them to sell a lot of these at $230 or $200 in November.
I'm not gonna talk about pricing/power, but cooler and pcb design in my opinion is great. It looks like it's build to last. If it had hot-swap coolers like Sapphire has, that'd be too great to be true.
About the VRM:
2 phases for memory
2 phases for soc (probably the cache and IO)
6 phases for GPU
Almost sure.
might have separate phases for the MCDs
@@defeqel6537Which this card does not have.
"If you're having trouble with the connector...
walk away for three days and come back when your finger nails are longer"
Can't tell you how many times I have thought this exact thing but never put it into words, love it!
This card could be the number 1 steam chart GPU replacing the 1650 if it should have been priced at 200usd, making the rx6600 second hand market obsolete.
It sucks it only has 8gbs of vram and a 128bit bus.
But why would AMD make a Product that is so much better than the 6600 and make that one bad… that would mean they cant sell their old Lowend anymore. I mean… you understand they NEED to sell those as well before going forward.
@@ZackSNetwork The RTX 4060Ti has the exact same bus and VRAM (It's 2 tiers above and more than double the price btw)
@@ZackSNetwork Honestly people are making a bigger deal out of the 8gb of vram and 128bit bus than it really is. I have a rx6600 (non xt) which has 8gb vram and a 128 bit bus, and I have not ran into any situation where I have issues with the vram or huge performance drops. All my games run smooth and for the most part the rx6600 can handle nearly everything at 1080p at high to ultra settings. The only time you would run into issues is with brand new games or performance hogs like cyberpunk.
@@flimermithrandir i dont think AMD are still making 6600, the only ones you can buy 6600 are in second hand market having a 200+usd pricing which is the most price to performance you can buy on a 1080p gaming. If they can match that price, then people would rather buy 7600 than a second hand 6600 from miners
Can't wait for this to be one of the best value cards next year,just as with the 6600xt,6650xt ,6700 and 6700xt
any chance you can test AV1 encoding in all the 7000 series cards?
I guess it's not so much gaming related, hoping someone will ever cover that :)
I would love to see the hardware codec tested with vmaf and also simmulacra2, as some vendors are know to tweak their card to manipulate vmaf scores
Look up eposvox. He's the best for that type of content
Also, i don't really need a toolkit personally, but i guarantee that high temp mat has a place in almost every home. Is it food safe? I have an idea.
I like how they put a good number of screws on the card and how they are evenly distributed. We just have to remember to put all of the screws back in when we're reassembling the card!
It actually has better build quality than the 4060 imo.
we live in a truly strange world
hmmmmm I don't know we have teardowns on 4060s
@@chengcao418 Nvidia is pretending it's a "ti" model, but we know better.
@@operator8014 No you don't. 4060 does exist and will be teared down in the future, and this comment will cause confusions.
4 phase VRM on the premium-super-brand 400$ videocard VS 6 phase VRM on the sub 300$ chip garbage!
Both AMD and Nvidia really are doing their best to secure a place on the "Worst Hardware of the year" shirt, and its just May.
Just wait for the 7800xt. I’m already bracing for it to be 6900xt performance for $700, just in time for $600 6900xts to be sold out.
We still wait 4090ti announcement 😁
Don't forget ASUS...
any particular reason to say that? This card looks just fine, underengineered/overbuilt -> excellent. Not over-torqued screws. A single fan connector. The fan cable guides are a nice touch too. My only minor complaint is using PH1 instead of TX8 (or inner hex)
@@stanimir4197 way worse value compared to last gen GPUs
Older GPUs are so much easier to disassemble 😀
the funny thing is that 7600 isn't even genuinely bad. the problem is that it's getting it's ass handed down by amd's own previous gen products.😂😂
All retailer are trying to get rip of old stock cus amd won't sell as much as Nvidia
6000 series is slowly disappearing from stores, that's the only reason AMD held back this card. These chips were done months ago. I wager by August, we will be hard pressed to find any 6000 cards, aside from the 6500/6400 trash.
For the pricepoint the 7600 is very very slightly slower than say a 6700 but is also $100+ cheaper.
...so, what did they *almost* learn? Seemed like a mildly positive review on the tear-down.
I kind of like how it looks like you can put it back together without the shroud and fans if you wanted to try to build a passive cooling build or strap your own fans on there haha. But really looks very serviceable, fans look very easily replaceable even looked like you could replace each fan separately instead of needing to do both. Will be interested to see the thermals.
Small niche request. Would it be possible to include deshroud measurements for those that might be interested in the mod? I know some GPUs aren't suitable and that would also be useful information.
The fan thickness is 15mm. As usual with most of open-flow graphic card
And indeed, when people put 15mm fan on their deshroud, it adds no extra thickness
Just what I was looking for... nice that it exists, but something
@@bocahdongo7769 In my case, I'm looking to know the thickness of the PCB and the heat exchanger without the fans or shroud. Then in a case like an NR200 or Torrent Nano, use nice fans on the bottom of the case and have the shroudless card rest directly on those fans. Using an adapter cable to plug the fans into the GPU fan out so the GPU can control the fans. Also if removing the shroud means the difference between a better card fitting in the small case, that would be helpful to know as well. With so many different thickness fans you could take this information to buy the correct fans when doing the initial build of the PC.
I actually really like this design. Don't like the card but the design is good imo it looks simple enough to take apart and well built.
Just commenting for the alfo. You all are awesome. ty foir your work everyone at GN :)
Definitely going to buy the 7600 when it goes under $250 near Christmas.
no you won't
@@gozutheDJ ok
It is not worth $250. It worth maybe $200 at most.
We're so lucky to have you around Steve+ team NEXUS.
2am here and I was just about to go bed... now I see a new GN vid uploaded.
AMDs cooler designs have come a long way since the 5700XT blower... This is simple, yet much more effective
Blower coolers have their place, but not for most people. I'd love to have a blower option for certain applications though. Hd7970 was the last blower card I had, but worked awesome for exhausting directly out of the case
Seeing how the ports are only on the lower part of the card, how a one slot design would work? Obviously, the perfomance would suffer, but for many folks that use smaller cases, this would be still great. Do you have any means to test this ?
can the vram be upgraded to 16gb? like the 3070? that would be an interesting video.
EVGA continues to feel like Neo dodging bullets in the Matrix...
Looks like a great design for a long card life with low noise and consistent performance.
Why are the pcb's on the amd cards so much larger than the nvidia ones?
Because Nvidia has the flow-thru fan design on the end, they have to make their pcb's shorter than AMD's
because it's just your standard reference PCB while nvidia's is completely custom to fit their cooler design. nvidia decided to drop their reference PCB's completely with 40 series but 30 series had the custom nvidia FE PCB and the standard full size reference PCB for all their cards that board partners could use.
Gotta be honest.
I am not mad at this card.
yes, it is only 8gigs, but it is also under 300 bucks so that seems fairly suitable.
It's the epitome of "this is good enough". A fin stack and two heatpipes is normally good for around 150 watts, the zillions of embarrassingly cheap RX 570s in late 2019/early 2020 used exactly that design, and they were thermally limited for the most part.
It is a little disappointing to see first party cards be at this kind of basic level but hey, AMD doesn't want to compete with its partners. Maybe it remembers what 3DFX did.
Teardown videos are among my favorites.
Some of the comments of self proclaimed business experts expressing their genius ideas of what AMD “should” have done, makes me think business should be absolutely mandatory in schools
hyped for super small ITX builds with this card
Wait for the XT version. Your better off getting a compact 6650XT with the 7600's current performance.
@@starmanindisguise5844 or even an arc. not that i could truly recommend it.
Any reason why the die is rotated 45 degrees on these smaller Navi GPUs?
3:30 is a flow-through design better than a typical 2 fan design??
This card seems to heat up quite easely. Anything a user can do on hardware side to mitigate those high temps?
to what temp
Add fans, buy a decent case, air conditioner in your room, undervolt the card. That's all I can see and it applies to pretty much all cards tbh
Buy one of the fancy partner cards with better cooling, those will definitely cost $300 at least though, at that point it's probably not worth it.
@@steel5897 yeah that's the main problem. Just let the stock cooler heat and use the warranty if it breaks I say.
Buy a better designed AIB partner card instead of the reference model.
You're a master of your craft.
This card is supposed to be 150 dollars, then I'll return to pc hardware enthusiasm.
More heat can come out the back of a board usually, unless they are special components that can be top side cooled. Reason being the path between the component and the back of the board is primarily copper typically(vias), while the top of the component is plastic.
At least for MOSFETs, may be different for memory modules since a FET has 100% connectivity between the back of the component and the rear outside layer of the board, and a memory module is mostly making connections to different internal layers and not going all the way through.
02:20 nice gun u got there mr. Steve
Me 3am in Germany:
Can't wait to the new GN video
02:15 in england
Steve and team. PLZ do a video on the gains of the 50/60 series gpus over the years vs the 70/80 series. Its to showcase how stagnant the low end has been and it would tie in perfectly for a video on how much a shit show the lower end is. Would love to see it layed out in graphs
Just gotta say, love the “Ayyyy! 🤷♂️ It’s Steve!” thumbnaiI.
sub $300 price point, solid, proven design that, while it lacks innovation, is a good base for AIBs.... Honestly this might be a steam chart topping GPU.
3:59 Motherboards and cases with cutouts for GPU venting when?
I like how mature AMD products look. So many GPU look like the wet-dream of children and teens, who realistically are not the target purchasing audience, and they honestly look so cheap (Asrock, I'm looking at you).
11:43 - looks like deepcool AK620 checkered fins lol
I really like that you guys are self funded, and have purchased a few of your products. One suggestion, if youre going to do an infomercial for the product during the teardown, could you refrain from putting a pre-roll ad for the same thing? its not a huge thing, but i watch your videos while gaming or working on other things. When i hear the same ad, i leave the video thinking its one ive already seen. That might just be my add overthinking it, but i love the work and keep the videos coming.
The ads are controlled by Google or the people who own the preroll and video.
@@spankeyfish theyre controlled by google if you impliment them. when channels like GN, HUB or Paul's Hardware do their own ads, they are usually edited beforehand and dropped into videos (hence why you see the same ones for short durations of time, no longer than a month or two).
My suggestion was simply to both cut down on total video time *and* help reduce the number of times they repeat information, which i think is another fair criticism to levy at many TH-cam, GN among them. If your video is 15 minutes long and there's a 30 second ad then a minute ad while disassembling a card about two minutes later, that ad density can be a little much.
The thermal thick pads remind me of the ones on the EVGA RTX 2060 KO cards.
Wow, ethernet T568A/B terminations are on the mod mat now?! Amazing, apparently I need a second one.
3:30 - Of that type, yes. But I just got a stock/reference 6950XT (because of that price-drop, obviously, like a bunch of other people) and it runs frickin' hot. - I mean, I think I hit just over a hundred degrees, in a very arid case where three sides are all meshed up (heh), plus half the bottom is perforated, with 2x140mm intakes on the side blowing right ONTO the card's fans (cause my motherboard-orientation is horizontal), and then 2x140mm out the top, plus a 120mm out the back through a radiator for the CPU. - However, this card still easily goes over 90 degrees, occasionally just over a hundred if it's doing certain things, which doesn't seem right. I believe the "limit" for this card is even at like 105 or something, that I read, or a little higher even. So AMD will claim it's fine, but to run it like this for a long time... I'm no engineer, but I'm also not so sure about that. (And I'm talking about the junction-temperature, by the way, so the actual hottest measurement.)
I feel like the very "encased" design, with no grille on the "back" (where the I/O-bracket is) for a little extra air-escape, especially since the card's own fans blow INTO the casing, and then also no opening on the other end. It just seems like heat gets trapped in there, so I kinda wish they had made the extension with a "flow-through" and put on a fourth fan (the three on it aren't those very large ones). - Don't get me wrong, I like that it's actually fairly compact (I tried the MERC 6800XT by XFX and I had to drop it into the case at an angle, which only just worked) like this neat "block" or "cartridge" and it's not annoyingly(!) loud when the fans are up. But man, it needs more ventilation to breathe. - That said, I previously used the 5700 by XFX with the more plain black cooler, which is actually way more "open" on all sides (even the backplate has slits in it), that also ran a bit hot, which I then re-pasted (and also kind of re-organized any pads that were even a little off) and it ran about 5-10 degrees cooler. So perhaps it's once again a crap application, even though it's by AMD as opposed to XFX, and it could help to check and re-do it. I don't know.
I'm always a bit nervous to take sensitive electronics apart, especially now that I went with something way more expensive than before. - I mean, if I mess up a 300-something Euro card... egh, painful, but OK, I messed that up and I can take the hit. But something of 600-something Euros... It makes me nervous thinking about taking it apart. - I know it's probably fine, but I'm just worried about nicking some small component or shorting something, even though I'm very careful and methodical.
I do love backplates, dust/corrosion can get everywhere after years of use and protecting those microcircuits from short-circuits becomes more relevant as they shrink distance on contacts over the years, specially consider that part is expose to any dust falling by gravity alone.
Nice, simple design. But a note, metal on metal aluminum contact is higher W/mK (~238 W/mK transfer rate) than metal on thermal pad on metal, because the weakest link in that chain is 6.5 W/mK at best (the thermal pad). Thermal pads act more as heat insulators than heat conductors. If you are that worried about it though, just apply a thin smear of thermal paste where the metals contact to maximize contact, filling in the gaps with 7+ W/mK to compliment the 200+ W/mK of metal on metal, rather than limit the entire transfer to sub 6.5 W/mK. At least AMD has started applying pastes to the die rather than overly thick thermal pads on the die which contribute to swifter burnout from minimal contact through what is practically an insulator.
The thermal pads that AMD used on their dies were very thin and were graphite in the 30-70W/mK range instead of
@@bayanzabihiyan7465 I have seen firsthand the thermal pads on AMD, they are actually rather thick. 2mm thermal pad with a 1mm gap hard stop on the screws. That is why the spacer/washer mod exists in the first place. 1mm pads on the memory are typically plenty sufficient, but the 2mm on the dies themselves, not so great at all.
sapphire needs to start doing that too with its pulse range..great cards but they dont utilise the back plate for extra cooling.
6 years ago the RX 7600 would have been considered a really high end card steamrolling any game you threw at it. But in the year 2023 it's a cute cheap little graphics card aimed at the low end market segment. Hardware progression is fascinating.
Except that the innovation and improvement has stagnated hard in the last 4 years if you compare it to the previous progression of the 7XX to 9XX to 10XX then 20XX to 30XX.
This stuff is really interesting for me but I have no idea what all the components on the PSB are. Where can I learn about all the components of a GPU PCB and other computer PCBs?
This looks so absolutely gorgeous in its simplicity.
imagine if they could go back to this design with dual coolers with the high end....
That red line they added is probably a reference to that movie call The Art of Self-Defense 😄
It's been said that this Reference model will never be actually sold, it's just a proof of concept that's been sent to reviewers for review
The only 7600s that will be available to the public should all be partner models according to that rumor/leak
Exactly. The launch prices are pure BS too, FE cards from either manufacturers rarely make it out of the US. Once the board partners start strapping their own stupid coolers and mild overclocks on them the price will quickly jump $100. Which will make the card even worse value.
@@jamezxh board partners for AMD almost always have MSRP non reference models, and they’re almost always better performers as well. You may be thinking of nvidia and how it deals with board partners.
@@jamezxh All of AMD's reference designs in recent years have been sold in Europe at least. You can still buy a reference 6950 XT and both the 7900 XT and XTX ones are available. As are non-reference, but at MSRP (and actually below MSRP at this point) designs from partners. A member of staff from a UK web store has also already confirmed that they will have models priced at MSRP available at launch for the 7600.
6000 series reference cards were sold in plenty, I have one of them in my PC
@@jamezxh last i checked the US exists. so even if those prices don't "make it out of the US" its still a launch price lmao. live in a better country or something then idk what to tell you
However, we didn't see a couple of MCD dies for 128bit of memory bus, perhaps the MCM flexibility doesn't work for low cost chips, waiting to find out what the 7800XT will look like.
Gotta hand it to AMD, I think the reference design is pretty cool. Granted I already have a red-themed build, so I may be biased
Off to a great start when the first thing he said was the size is "not too dissimilar"
Wow, that was fast. Good work.
what's fast? he had the card for over a week i take it.
@@JayzBeerz Well then.
Is it me or was there no « warranty void if removed » sticker on the AMD card ?
I want your merch so bad. (sigh)
Eventually I will have that mod mat and the soldering mat. And the coasters..
Why are gpus so tall now a days? Ive had plenty of gpus not taller than the i/o shield in the past.
There's seems to be decent amounts of airflow for its VRM but where does that hot air exactly exhaust to, to the side of the card, because there is almost no space for it, who designed this?
Thanks Steve!
Isn't Navi 33 kinda like a Navi 23 shink, but 6N instead of 7N? If yes AMD should have gone with Navi 22 shrink instead to have the option to add 1 or 2 chips of vram.
With all the benchmarking you do, did you ever find out if the 3D Mark Time Spy girl survives the crystal titan monster?
Sincerly i like way more the simple design than the Apple style hiding screws and that really tiny fragile fan connectors that i would probably break.
i want steve to watch the "turbo encabulator" video and put in some references to it in these videos, completely deadpan. like "a baseplate made of prefamulated amulite" type thing.
Honestly I like the very simple, "not invent the wheel" solution here (cooler and pcb form factor). If it's not some new breakthrough technology, I'd rather have it like this and reduce cost to the consumer (if they plan on making it cheaper for the consumer, not only for themself).
I am curious what the difference of a reference card vs a board partner overclocked in terms of the PCB? Does AMD sell the entire fully populated PCB to the board partners or just the GPU itself?
Should've added an extra heatpipe and some more surface area in the actual cooler. Two isn't great for a 165W TDP chip and would've helped a lot in transfering heat to the fin stack. The cost would be negligible to the overall BOM.
The design looks good though. The only other thing I would change in the fins orientation and have it stacked sideways to let the fans push the heat out of the system on one side.
I really love AMD's cooler designs for the RX 6000 and 7000 series GPUs, they just look so damn cool. Aesthetics are a matter of preference, of course, but I think AMD knocked it out of the park. Steve's title notwithstanding, they've learned a lot over the years.
Good video but the title is an unnecessary snipe when Steve had no major complaints about the cooler.
Personally I prefer the silver and black design of the 6000 series reference design than the boring matte black if the 7000 series. But I guess it is stealthy if you like that. Ultimately it is the performance that matters.
Off topic Steve.
Mod mat
I love it
You are saving kitchen tables bro
They're not sinking the fourth memory module because the triangle on the backplates protrudes through and would put extra pressure just on that module. Probably didn't realize that until it was too late in production/development.
I like your comment on why it doesn't make sense to put a vapour chamber in the card and it would be great if the partners listened, because they've been doing exactly that.
Why the hell do we have a 460Ti with 3x fans and with 1.5 of those being purely flow through? The thing uses 120W. It could be cooled by a flower style cooler and cost half the price.
I have no idea why this generation they decided that all cards should run at 50C, instead of the normal 70-80C we've seen for decades
What's the difference between phase-change thermo interface with pre-applied thermo paste? They appear the same to me... Unlike "Phase change cooling" (e.g. heat pumps/ heat pipes) vs justncopper core.
Push out effect - phase-change thermo interface didn't have it. Thats why you not forced to change it in long time period (and your hotspot not rises into the stratosphere). Phase-change thermo interface melted when chip is hot and solidify while cold.
That Pencil Holder made out of RAM sticks looks cool!
Any ideas on where I can get one?
7:55 "just remember to grab the connector,not the wire and if you have trouble with it,walk away for 3 days and come back, when your fingernails are longer"
No chance these have the same issues the 6800XT Coolers had if out on a GPU riser the heatsink became useless? Hoping they didn't reuse unsold GPU coolers for older generation GPUs.
The 7xxx series have hotspot temp issues as well ?.
Comparing this design to the reference design on the previous, similarly priced 7000 series gpu (hd7950) I would say they at least improved a bit on the cooler design.
It sure looks like a $200 card.
Next year, it will be.
Looks pretty clean, I really like the design
Preach!!!!
I'd pay $100 at best.
@@Selloutsatirist In 4-6 months*
Is it possible that again only 8 lanes go to the GPU itself?
It may not bring more performance but why should an 8 lane PCIe card consume a 16 lane slot..
I am planning to purchase the RX7900XT Sapphire Pulse 20GB OC, however, the reviews online regarding the overheating of the cards due to the vapour chambers have got me a bit worried, and I am having second thoughts.I'd really appreciate if anyone could let me know if the issue has been resolved or is still an ongoing issue...
Get off work, new GN teardown video, life is good
After about a year, I’ve just absolutely massive cards This normal size GPU looks tiny in Steve’s hands.
am i correct in saying they could have attached more vram on the spots with the thermal pads on the back?
this is a 270 dollar card, the most entry level card of this generation. 8gb is fine. it's expected at this price.
@@connieclarke5855 I desagree with you, GPU in 2016 RX 480 have 8GB with MSRP only 229 dollar. and after 7 years they charge us costumer 270 with no improvement whatsoever in VRAM size? I expect at least minimum 10GB or better 12GB at this price point.
RX 7600 is supposed to be priced arround 169 dollar. or this was to be compared with RX 460 4GB as a improvement generational with MSRP 100 dollar back then.
With the driver problems, I wonder how this will work on Linux.
AMD cards aren't known for driver issues as of late, but always working amazingly on Linux
as long as your distro is relatively up to date with the kernel and mesa version then i would assume pretty good, at least on wayland, i have a 7900 XTX on linux and everything has been good
@@lukemax6048 *until you do anything AI related or VR related