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I would have liked to see the Vram capacity in the charts so people dont buy say the 3050 to play older games it can run at 4k performance wise but doesnt have the Vram to actually run I will also point out that not having say the 3090 and 3090 ti's make the list's is really dumb For the price of a 4070 ti you can typically get a 3090 or a used 3090 ti which is a better choice for modern games like resident evil remake that will happily birn through all your Vram of which the 3090 and 3090 ti have enough to just ignore the Vram chugging games
I'm still using mine, with another classic - the 3600. It's only now that I'm getting the itch to upgrade; though I'm struggling to justify the insane cost.
Recently upgraded my aging build from a R7 1700 + RX580 to a 5800X3D + 6800XT, kept the old B350 MoBo and DDR4, not disappointed and happy to see them do well in both "Best of 2023"
@@deivytrajan Asus Prime B350M-A (had to upgrade the BIOS and upgrade the old stock cooler) and Corsair Vengeance LPX (4 x 16 GB) DDR4 3200MHz C16 And yes, the AM4 support was really good (new CPU on a 6+ year old MoBo), and I hope AMD keeps the trend and maybe Intel could follow the lead
@@baarumCheck that your mobo actually has PCI-E gen 4, otherwise you might be restricting the GPU to only half the bandwidth. Did that to myself using a B450 board. Don't forget to enable Above 4G decoding and resizable bar in the BIOS as well to use the whole of the GPU's capability.
Very fascinating to see that after all this time the first-generation Intel Arc cards are actually competitive in the 100-200$ price class. It speaks to Intel dedicating a lot of time and resources supporting Alchemist after its bad launch, as well as it speaks to Nvidia (and AMD to an extent) continuing to abandon the lower price segment.
@@GamersNexus Intel really seems to not try at all in EU though. Prices are significantly higher than AMD and Nvidia whereas AMD and Nvidia NA prices somewhat translate to EU prices. Of course I understand that the content is focused on the NA market but I did feel like mentioning it at least.
In the % difference charts, it would be beneficial to write the GPU name on the left and right side (indicating who takes the win), as it's sometimes difficult to keep track of things and there isn't enough time to read through the chart title/specifics (I understand pausing is an option, but it'd be a QoL thing)
I personally like this idea. I'm lazy after work and while I enjoy these videos I often have to go back and watch it again to retain all the info I need... So obviously if it isn't too much of a pain in the rear it would be great to see the games listed and what card does better in it on the side. Ultimately I understand you can't do every single little thing we think would be a good idea for these videos though lol. They'd be all an hour long with flashing lights everywhere like it's a rave.
I am so happy that I got a 1080Ti back in 2017. That card is such a beast and seemingly the last of its kind. The 980Ti and 1080Ti were just so damn good and held on for years.
@@b4rs629 The RX 6800, at it's current price, is THE card to get for anyone who hangs on to their hardware for a long time. Precisely the same performance and TDP as the 7700XT, but 16GB VRAM and $50 cheaper. Having lots of VRAM for the modder scene's texture packs can keep old games looking fresh for a long time, and texture quality doesn't impact performance. If your friend stuck with 1080p then this card will serve him well for a very long time.
Still running a 980ti between 30-120FPS as not enough games push raytraceing for me to justify an upgrade. Still wanting to step up to 4k and a 48' 120hz monitor. Just worried about OLED life and burnin/gray washout on a monitor that will be used for gaming and PC use.
@@bulutcagdas1071 Won't be an issue for single player gamers and fortnite/apex (maybe warzone, I'm not sure) Dogshit practices but that's what you buy yourself into when you go for a closed ecosystem
What's insane to me is a 6800xt for $450 and a 6800 for less than $400, if I was building right now, I'd be grabbing one of those, that's a light 4k/1440p setup for
100% agreed. The 6800 XT and 6950 XT are both crazy good deals right now. Too bad the 6950 XT appears to be fading (or at least, there's a lot less stock now), but it is a seriously high-end card for the price.
@@GamersNexus there's been one or two models of the 6950xt that were sub $600 recently, the previous gen AMD cards continue to be heavy hitters in and above their price class, and I worry we won't have another situation like this, similar to Nvidia and the pascal generation, specifically the 1080ti
Think waiting for the 4070 Super is the ideal for me. 16GB of VRAM and DLSS3.5 and AV1 encoding plus Tensor and RT cores. I do not want to miss out on that HL2 remake.
Hey GN wanted to say thanks again for your recent videos re-visiting AM4 and other platforms to show upgrade value paths. Because I was a chad nerd and watched them all end-to-end, I was recently able to give more informed advice to a buddy who was still rocking AM4 with a 1700X. Sure enough when I pulled up the support page for the mobo, with the latest BIOS it yields support for the 5800X3D. You're doing your company and consumers a real solid by staying focused applying your data skills towards relevant use cases for contemporary upgrade paths, bravo. I personally maintain and build many PCs for friends and family so this is helping me keep things out of landfills, and money in bank account rather than always buying new.
Its crazy just how good the 6800XT still is. My 5700 XT has served me well, but its finally time to upgrade and in the 400-500 range the 6800XT just dominates. Despite being a little older it's still a very compelling card.
@unholydonutsit's not crazy, the naming is just funny. The msrp got lowered by like 150 for the 7800xt compared to the 6800xt. You can buy them for around the same price rn. I just got myself a brand new 7800xt for a 1k € build and I couldn't be happier
Just bought parts for my first ever desktop PC (and first ever build), got myself an r5 7600 with a 6700xt and 32gb ddr5 6000mhz RAM. Super excited to put it together! :)
as someone who upgraded this summer to a 5800X3D and a 6800 XT, it feels nice to see both those parts be mentioned as some of the best offerings in their category
Ya I'm still using my Ryzen 1700 & 1080. I'm tempted to make the jump, but I want the 4070 for cyberpunk. I just ordered a 4tb samsung 990 pro cuz it's $250 right now on amazon.
@@Voyajer. What is less balanced is my 96 GB of RAM lol (I played modded Cities Skylines. Even with the loading screen mod, the game still drank 53 GB of RAM when running)
kinda in a similar boat 5800x3d and a 7800xt..maybe we should drag race and see what results we get..my guess is that you will pull ahead half the time..just a hunch
Would unironically buy a new old stock 580 over a 6500 and there's at least 2 models in stock from 100-130. Y'know if I had concerns about buying used and couldn't afford more.
got one used for 100$ 5 years ago and i was still using it until this year, that i got a rx6800, mostly because i needed the extra vram for trying local AI models.
It's worth noting that in a lot of places the 3060 Ti is starting to cost a lot more than even some premium model 4060s. Despite its embarrassing launch it's starting to look like a reasonable upgrade for people with older cards like the 1660.
I upgraded from 1660 to 4060 and I’m happy because I couldn’t find good cards within a good range of money and I wanted to try out frame generation and use raytracing for my 3D rendering. Now onto upgrading from AM4 to AM5 platform in the upcoming months
True although the mem bus width and hence bandwidth neutering that it got causes an infuriating amount of performance variance between games that shouldn't be there. To the point (as hw unboxed showed) that it loses to the 3060 ti in a non insignificant amount of games.. A 192 but bus width 4060 ti with 12gb as it should have been would've actually been massively more acceptable because it would basically be a way more efficient 3070 ti with 12gb of vram. Rn tho u do have the option of mem overclocking which both by nvidia artificially limiting stock mem speed a lot, and the bandwidth starvation, let's you get a good 10% avg fps and ofc much less variance game to game from just a mem oc and if you weren't aware, mem oc's are crazy easy to do and stability test.
I love these videos I’ve learned so much from them. Back in 2021 I enjoyed my 3060 ti. Mid this year I got a 4070 ti and enjoying Cyberpunk and upgraded to 2k. Don’t know where I’d be without you gents. ❤
$1600 is less than most people's monthly rent. Most people aren't buying a new GPU every year, or even every generation. The 4090 is CHEAPER than the 3090ti and completely stomps it in performance.
@@Wobbothe3rdMost things are cheaper than monthly rent in big cities nowadays, not because things are cheap but because the housing market is utterly fucked right now. Not that I'd expect someone that seriously brings up 3090ti to understand value.
Looking at their recent earnings report, I'm not surprised. They're milking some crazy margins in the data center vs what they could do with normal consumers
@@Wobbothe3rdMaybe in certain parts of America but in Germany it costs like 1.8k € while rent in a OK 3 room flat is like 800€ and the average salary is around 2k
Picked up the gtx 1070 when it released back in 2016 and it served me pretty well through all the years. Just upgraded to a rx 6700xt a week ago and that gpu is pretty damn impressive, especially for that price range!
Same, was running a 1070 for a number of years before I found a crypto miner liquidating an entire rig's worth of of 6700 XTs for $250 apiece on eBay a couple months back. Especially for that price, I've been more than happy with the performance!
I will never pay over $500 for a stupid video card! $500 is my limit, I draw the line there. Really sick of being price gouged and lied to so that a video card company can make billions of dollars each year off of children and hard-working consumers. This is beyond shady business, it's criminal!
It really is price gouging. It’s unnecessary to spend more than $500 for a GPU any time tbh. Any more than that, the average person is way overpowering their system. I know so many people that have systems with i914k and 4090s that don’t play anything other than cod
I've been running a GTX 970 and I was going to finally update my PC for the first time since 2014 yesterday and had my mind set on a 6950XT. Very disappointed that they did such a short run on this card and everyone gobbled it up seemingly right when the Friday sale started. Couldn't make it to the cart. So now I've got a PowerColor Hellhound 7800XT on order cause it was the next best thing. I've always spent around $350 on a GPU and it's already a stretch to spend $500. I just cannot justify spending $750-$800 on the 7900XT for, to me anyway, a performance increase that doesn't justify the extra $250-$300. NVIDIA is dead to me right now after being a customer to them for years seeing their predatory pricing get worse particularly since 2021 so they won't get me back until they stop smoking crack. The 4070 getting beaten handily by so many Radeon cards yet having to pay more for it seems to be only for people that just can't buy anything that isn't NVIDIA.
Just get yourself a 6700XT or 6750XT, coming from a 970 it will be an insane upgrade for you. f you have afew extra bucks get the 6800XT, it will handle anything you want to play at 1440p.
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ya my gtx 1080 is still going strong from my first pc build in 2017 /w ryzen 1700, b350, 1tb samsung nvme, 16gb of ram, & 1440p monitor. Plays everything I'm interested in, but I think this game satisfactory might make me upgrade cuz' they just updated the game to unreal engine 5 and it looks beutiful.
I upgraded from a GTX 960 2GB to a GTX 1080 non-Ti in February this year. It was a huge upgrade and works great with a X5670 @ 4.4GHz. I have now built a newer PC but still using the GTX 1080 until I can get something faster for a decent price. When I get a newer card I'll put the GTX 1080 back to the old X5670 system I bought the GTX 960 in 2016 from a friend who upgraded to a GTX 1070. Back then I could only dream of having a card like the 1070/1080
Truly, the GTX 1080ti is the Last Great Graphics Card. We’ve been paradoxically going downhill despite being on a climb. That, or it’s that moment from part 7 of Jon Bois’ Atlanta Falcons documentary where he realizes that the win probability chart was dead wrong.
The 3080 had every chance to be the modern 1080 Ti, but unfortunately, it was only truly available at MSRP for about 2 weeks at launch, then it was gone for a year or two (without getting gouged).
I copped a XFX 7900 XT earlier this month at $750 as an upgrade to my 6700 XT, and man it is a night and day difference in performance The extra VRAM helps in some VR games too
I went with an XTX, but also came from a 6700XT. I'm still staying on 1440p though... Now I can play with RT on in everything and get the same FPS as I got with the 6700XT at mixed settings.
Did you go back and forth debating between higher cards? That is where I am currently stuck..I could spend for the 7800xt but I don't want to overstretch budget. I could go 6700xt. I mostly only play apex/warzone and it seems to get 120 FPS+ easy on both games on the 6700xt.
@@andrewroof8042 not sure about warzone but I know apex is very CPU intensive being a source game so as long as you have a good CPU you shouldn't have any troubles. I wouldn't go above a rx 6700 XT unless you plan on getting 240fps on every game or want to move to 1440p. If you were debating on getting a rx 7800 XT you could look at a rx 6950 XT, slightly better performance and it's around the same price on the used market
@@flipinfin just check the usage on PC part picker. I know they recommend an 800watt or something around there for a 6950 XT but it doesn't use nearly that at all. I'm using 450 watts max with my current specs and I have a 650 watt PSU
I saw a good improvement that would simplify looking between price points: do a chart ignoring other cards and focusing only on the available cards on that price point, from best to worse in fps. That would work best for people looking exclusively on price x performance. The way the video goes was kinda confusing until I processed that information.
typical price gauging tactic before black friday and boxing day. my sister currently works as a manager at a large retailer and they actually slowly raised the price in the past 2 months specifically for this case. the 15% sale now is equal to the price from 2 months back
@@eternalbeing3339 you might find that in small retailers or mom and pop shops, but big retailers are all doing this nowadays. they use boxing day and black friday as a way to offload unwanted products that they cant sell throughout the year before bringing in the new seasonal items
The weird thing is that you have the options online to check this. You can literally see the pricing graphs of many retailers online on some comparison sides ! How can anyone still be hyped for these "sales". I was browsing for tablets and after like 30 products I got the first one that was actually at its lowest price ?! wtf
I have a feeling that the first few generations of ARC GPU's will be a bit rough, but I think Intel can pull off a good dedicated GPU line in a couple of generational cycles.
Nah, honestly my A770 16GB (currently less than $300USD) has been super solid for the past several months. I don't think GN is correct here anymore with the Intel drivers, and that they didn't talk about the A770 at all is baffling, as it's by FAR the best card at its price point.
For a first generation they did pretty well , with all their updates that increased performance it's a solid pick. 2nd gen can only get better but hope they keep the price the same
Only the Intel arc750 has the same power as an RTX 3060Ti including ray tracing, the bad thing is its fcking drivers that sometimes make the PC crash and not perform well in old and even modern games (Starfield), but Intel is also behind in technologies such as AMD's FSR and Nvidia's DLSS and their frame generation versions that serve to increase fps. That is to say that if Intel tomorrow solved the problem with its drivers and presented new AI technologies to increase the performance of its cards, they would be a very good purchase option and a rival to fear for AMD and Nvidia, but for now buy an Intel ARC It would be like using Linux without knowing anything about commands, that is, you will have to fight with it to make it work correctly.
@@X3455. Yeah, that's how I feel about their first gen ARC GPU's as well. I don't have one, but I feel like my next GPU may end up being from intel. For a new line of GPU's it has its' first generation issues that they have to work out with driver updates. But it seems like they are doing a good job sorting them out with each driver update. I think things can only get better from gen two onwards. But what they have now, still looks pretty damn good.
@@X3455. The 750 is closer to the regular 3060 than the 3060ti; even the 7780 generally doesn't do nearly as well as the 3060ti. For me, I think this first generation from Intel was great for working out the kinks for their cards, both in hardware and software. Assuming they make a 2nd generation, I would hope to see some more improvements on both aspects, as well as releasing a couple higher-end cards. At the moment, they are really only competitive from a cost/performance standpoint: if you want to actually play anything relatively new at relatively high settings, then none of the Intel cards will suffice. They are great if you are fine with lower fps, or with lowered settings, but they absolutely require a compromise somewhere. Unless Intel really pulls out all the stops for a 2nd generation of cards, it likely won't be until the 3rd generation that they really hit their stride, at the very least. I would actually find it *highly* likely that they could be much more competitive than AMD, when you consider how much AMD fucked up taking advantage of pricing models compared to Nvidia during the last couple years. AMD could have taken a *MASSIVE* portion of the market by dropping their prices an extra $100 or so on all cards, simply by virtue of not pricing out huge sections of the market. If Intel can keep its good pricing, while also offering higher-powered cards - even if that meant relying more heavily on their CPU profits, with little profit from the GPU end - that would be a very easy way for them to bump up their market share considerably.
With rising popularity of handheld PCs, I have a strong feeling there is gonna be a major shift in focus for game developers, you would not want to exclude a majority base of players from playing your game at its best and with the increased prices more and more people are left with low to mid range cards or even older high end stuff. Game developers specially triple A will be focusing on a more accessible experience rather then chasing eye candy as a selling point which turns out, is not all the great selling point after all. We already kind of seen this shift take place albeit at a slower pace.
Handheld PCs aren't that mainstream, unfortunately. Even the Steam Deck only sold 3 million units so far, compared to current-gen consoles selling about 67 million units combined. I think it's unlikely that we'll see AAA devs give special consideration to optimization because of handhelds.
While there sure aremore people buying mid and low end cards, or mobile systems, or consoles, high end card are also at a historic hight. Yes, there is a slight drop in market share for the upper end cards, although not all that big, even the the 980 and 1080 days the absolute majority did not buy those cards. And numbers for units sold at the high end are vastly higher than 5-10 years ago, not to mention even a current midrange offering in the 350-500 dollar sector absolutely smokes most handheld and consoles.
When people realize they can play games anywhere literally they will jump on the idea. the steam deck and other hand held pc are the only thing you should be buying to play games on period. (unless you like kiddy Nintendo games for little babies lol jk) there is no reason to buy a ps4 or xbox 1 when the Steam Deck and Ally exist @@HunterTracks
I upgraded in mid-Sept from my aging Vegas 64 to the Asus TUF white 7800 xt and love it! I play tons of EA WRC rally, used to play lots of FIFA 23, and just grabbed Alan Wake 2, stoked!
I've really enjoyed my 7900 XTX in 2023. For the money the performance is extremely good and seeing it out perform the 4090 in UE5 games bodes very well for the future
What game is this beating the 4090? I need receipts because real game tests show your card 3rd or 5th below the 4070ti sometimes. raytracing also seems to not exist on your 1k + card which is hilarious. Keep dreaming
@@Hulle19 it feels like the shortage never went away with new cards in sweden. the last gen nvidia cards still costs more than their launch price, and radeon is barely any better. radeon 7000 is especially terrible compared to the US. used cards can be really good for the price though, i got a 6600XT for 2200kr.
@@asdfjklo234funnily enough, even if we consider the nvidia cards with this type of pricing, they'd still maintain a similar price variance percentage 😂
Though the market has probably changed, the 6650 XT was truly underrated, especially if you could get it cheap. I got one at Microcenter for $220 before most price drops, and I have zero regrets.
The $180 A750 that you show in the video is the Orc edition, but all of your test benchmarks say they're using the Titan edition or the LE which are both $200. At 6:53 you show an A770 but the text at the bottom left of the video says it's an A750.
At this point my heavily overclocked 1080ti is still aging like fine wine. Rather than obsolescence I'm starting to get more concerned at the fact that it just wont die... And I even mined more than its original value back when it was worth it during the pandemic...
Just upgraded to a 4080 from 3070. Spent 500 Euros (benefits and selling the old card). 4090 was too expensive and would need a new PSU, 4070ti not bad if it had 16GB memory. Disregarding the price, it's such a good card. Running stable at 2820Mhz undervolted, super efficient and silent. I'm pretty happy. And even if new GPUs are planned...just get what you need and what you can afford. Don't worry what's coming tomorrow. Tech is aging, new stuff coming out all the time, prices will go down.
Indeed. I bought the rtx 4080 for 1470 € euros 3 months after launch. While the 4090 costs 2100 to 2200 euros. It's still a huge jump in price. Even if the perfomance is that far better. But it's a linear increase price to perfomance gain wise. And since I play at 3440x1440 the 4080 just runs vast majority of titles fine at 170hz . Ofc some titles with Ray tracing is not quite sufficient but I don't really mind. 4080 is ultra efficient aswell and makes no sound. Just great gpu but I agree that it was still priced a above it's real weight.
The thing is regardless of the 4080’s price, a lot of people forget that many who are in the GPU class upgrades ore often and offset the buying price with the sale of their old GPU which’ll have a reasonable sale price being a higher level previous generation GPU. Enjoy your build 🤩✊💪🥳
I just upgraded from my 2080 and got an MSI 4080 used from Amazon for $1,049 a couple weeks ago and I'm pretty happy with it ,the only thing I worry about is only having 16gb of vram. I keep hearing about the 4080 super coming in January but I have a feeling that once they come out you won't be able to get one for MSRP because it will become the card everyone wants for their high end builds because the 4090 is basically nonexistent now.
Why are you upgrading from a 3070? i would have held on to that for a while longer. you probably payed an insane amount for it during the pandemic so i would want to ekk out as much performance as possible.
I managed to land a 3070 for MSRP in 2020. It's a bit frustrating, because it's really fast, but I get memory capped on it easily. I wish there were a way to keep my chipset and just upgrade the vRAM
Upgraded from 2600x and 2070 to a 5800x3d and a 4070. I was quite surprised to be able to play Cyberpunk on ultra RT at a steady 80fps. Very pleased with that outcome for what were straight drop in replacements
Enjoy the build my friend 💪👍🤩🥳! I have an RTX4070 O/c (Zotac) which I got for below best current USD prices as a ‘display model’ (here in Australia 🇦🇺) with, FREE express overnight shipping and FREE game code to put in my PS2 Slim (Skyreach Mini) sized pc case and using in a HTPC environment. I happily play fps titles at 1080p with very high fps on my 4K TV and single player titles at 4K (with DLSS) high settings on average with smooth frame rates ~60-75 fps the vast majority of time which is fine with slower paced titles.
Last week I bought an old 1080 Armor off ebay for $100 to replace my 1650s. I think I got a pretty good deal, especially for how amazing this card was/is.
It pays off to have good friends. I got a 2080TI earlier this year for the cost of shipping($54) from my buddy after he upgraded to a 4090. I will probably be holding on to it for another generation or so depending on Frame generation implementation with newer titles.
Thank you for your great value-oriented videos. I'm still rocking my Vega56 since 2019 .... with Noctua fans attached to the heatsink instead of the default shroud :D
@@warnerww83 Nice! I have mine tuned to 1312 Mhz Max and Power Limit set to -50%. I kinda don't mind a little less performance for better temperatures and less noise.
I have that card. It is insanely powerful. I found Adrenaline Edition software was crashing it constantly. Make sure if you have the same issue uninstall that and just install the driver only and not Adrenaline
7900xtx hellhound was and is the gpu to buy. 2nd fastest card in the world, under 999$ . SO glad I was blessed with one in february. I am excited for FSR 3 as well. I loved it in forspoken demo.
@@aprilmeowmeow The limiting factor on failure rates as reported by manufacturers (which is pretty much the only source of statistically significant data) is how good they are at honouring the warranty, almost never the actual reliability of the cards.
I got an RX 7800 XT from Powercolor, upgrading from the 6700 XT. The Powercolor card is apparently really good with GPU cooling, and it's got an RGB KILLSWITCH FINALLY! I also stopped upgrading the driver with AMD.
@@dekzzxit does Iv just never owned an AMD card before so I’m currently debating if potentially a 4070ti would be a better option knowing it may have less vram but supports dlss and ray tracing. Also a 40 series get frame gen which can triple performance at a cost of a little delay apparently as well. Unsure what to go with!
Glad to see the 3060 Ti still putting up pretty solid performance, even amidst the "8GB of VRAM is no longer enough" controversy. I paid a little over $300 for mine, but that was also a year and a half ago lol. At that time a 6700 XT (used) was still $350+, and around $400-450 for the 3070. At least now all 3 of those cards are a bit cheaper overall; used 3060 Ti's are around $240, 6700 XTs are $260-275, and 3070s are right around $300 (though I'll occasionally see one for $260-280). The second hand market isn't a bad option if you can manage to buy from someone who takes care of their stuff, or at the very least doesn't abuse the crap out of it by OC'ing it waaaaaaay beyond its limit without proper cooling.
@timmyp6297 8gb VRAM bottlenecks the 3070 and to a lesser extent 3060ti. Does it mean its not enough? Well not if you drop settings. But its annoying to have a card that is punching below its weight due to VRAM saturation. How are these sources "bottle of the barrel"?
@@DrumsBah Because there have never been vram issues, only people using cards for the wrong purposes. Lets test: Do you agree that 60 series is designed for 1080p? 70 for 1440p? 80+ for everything else? No? Well thats the first problem, youre wrong from the get go. Now we see channels see low performance, and call it vram? What about the Surface Pro with DDR3 for vram (shared) running MSFS? What about the 25 years before that, where nobody really talked about vram because most understood it was a buffer. If Vram was the issue, textures would not display (they would show WHITE)!!! Yet they are all there, with some super fast DDR3 shared with the CPU for vram! You are demonstrating fully, why Hub and LTT are bottom of the barrel sources. They, well Hub mainly, are biased. Now because AMD has ALWAYS put more vram on their cards and it has NEVER MATTERED, combined with Hub being biased, they are biased toward the card with more vram... Not with better memory management, more modern architecture, modernized feature sets, etc... but lets just forget about all that, and go with 2-4gb more vram that NEVER MATTERS. Now back to Cyberpunk PT, Witcher 3 maxed RT, AW2 low PT... Praytell, what AMD card with its super Vram can play any three of those, at those settings? Yeah thats right, people who bought AMD got ****ed. PS: Its also PCMR. They lead the pack in disinformation so much... Take advantage of newbies so much... that I truly believe there is (or was) something suspicious going on there.
@@DrumsBah even just using DLSS reduces vram issues...since high res textures take up more vram, upscaling reduces the total size committed to the memory. When I play cyberpunk at 1440p/high using DLSS quality, it hardly ever uses more than 5.5-6GB on my 3060ti. And fps will usually be between 70-144 depending on what's happening, although I should mention that I have both my CPU (R5 5600) and GPU OC'ed (4.8Ghz on the 5600, +150 core/+300 mem on the 3060ti)
@@timmyp6297Lol my 3060 ti noticeably runs out of vram in 1440p even with dlss quality (meaning it's technically running at 1080p), in war thunder, an 11 year old game. Luckily this is noticeable in the regard to visuals like very noticeable object pop in but still not stuttering
the "black friday sales" on hardware always crack me up. they start November 1st, and sometimes end up being more expensive by the time black friday actually rolls around :P
4080 for $900 was the route I took. Mostly the same raster as top end AMD and the added RT/DLSS features of the 4090. While at the same price as the XTX.
im thinking the same, i have a 3060ti which i bought like 2 years ago for about 600 dollars and can sell it at 400 used, still thinking if itd be a worthy upgrade tho
It would have been nice to get a chart that actually included the RX 6800 and not just the 6800XT. Considering the 6800 is more powerful and has 16GB of VRAM, while the 6700XT "only" has 12GB it may be very well worth the extra 70$. For ~300$ the 6700XT is great, but for ~370$ the 6800 is arguably better value and more future-proof.
This is something I have noticed a lot for some reason the 6800 gets over looked compared to the 6700xt and 6800xt even the 6700. I ended up getting a 6800 and I like to see how it's competing against the newer "better" cards
I just got a 6700XT from Micro Center at $300 (off base price of $390) to replace my 1660 Super, along with a 750w PSU to replace my 550w. Excited to install them and see the jump in performance.
@@watan_5913great card. I bought one last year and upgraded to a 7800xt. I recommend powercolor, I got the red devil and am giving it to my brother in a hand me down type of rig, before that I had an rx580 red devil.
24:48 the card is in high demand and that's because Jensen decided to slow production of the card to raise demand therefore increasing price. I struggle to find any sense in this... Make more and lower price to make it more attractive therefore selling more in the long run, basic marketing practice especially this time of year
Couldn't be happier with my 5700 XT, picked it up for £180 at the start of the year and it's handled everything I've thrown at it. I've seen them going for £120-150 recently too.
I have a 5700xt and a 6700xt, the 5700xt really isn't far behind the 6700xt in performance at all, I barely noticed much fps difference except on exceptionally heavy games.
@@headphonesz6527 yeah, I really liked mine. It was a silicone lottery winner and runs super cool and underclocks good, the. 6700xt I got lucky also especially since it was free ninty free second hand.
Not really suprising though. You can either chuck in an older card (some of which you can still get new as well), or if you just want to do oldschool gaming, or lower res indie, or stuff like mobas just get an APU. Those are all playable on even something simple like a 5600G, where you basically pay 20-40 bucks extra for the graphics unit, and get similar power to what sub 100-200 dollar GPUs of old brought to the table in power. It sometimes feels like people forgot just how weak those lowest end card really were back in the day. Then keep in mind inflation. Ignoring the stupid price games pushed by nvidia, inflation in my country since 2013 ends up at nearly 23% compounded over those 10 year. So a 200 dollar card would be closer to a 250 dollar card now, which does add more options into the bucket.
13:03 why does the b-roll make it look like the 4060ti is missing PCIe lanes? is that just an 8-lane card, and how bad is that on an older board with a former generation PCIe interface? Hmmmm.
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Bought a new GPU a few months ago. Still had a GTX 1080 in my previous PC and so returning to the market after a few years was really confusing. What a mess. But it even turned out that naming vs. performance wasn't the biggest problem. Turns out size matters and most modern high performance cards are simply ridiculous. Ended up buying a RTX 4070 FE - for the simple reason that it was the fastest card that I could find that would fit my case (barely). Tight fit is an understatement. And this having a "full-size tower" from a big OEM. But of course they still follow official PCI specs.
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Nice to see the GTX 1080 there. I bought used one early 2023 (paid like 80 euros if I remember correctly) after selling my 1660. Then sold the 1080 for bit of profit and bought RTX 3080 in late april and it's been good GPU so far. Also went from Ryzen 5 2600 to i5-12400F because there was good B-stock deal on it
Bought a 2080 ti in 2019 before the pandemic and it was, I think, the best timing (unintentionally) to buy that card. For what I bought it for, it's an amazing card and top of the line at the time. And it's still running everything I play amazingly. The only downside is that I want to upgrade to current top tier tech, but I see no reason to because my card is good enough. I like buying the best of the best, but it's just not worth it. I got my card (built in waterblock included) for $1300. Until I can get a top or near top tier card for around that price, I have no reason to buy another tip tier card. It's seriously looking like I'm gonna just wait til the mid tier cards are 4k gaming capable.
Ya had the same problem with my overlooked i5 3570. Years of "if you spend $400 you can get 20% better performance". Just finally upgraded after 12 years.
As “just a gamer” even with ability to buy a 4090, I feel like I’d be wasting money and should just get a 4070TI based on what info was all listed out. Hopefully it catches a refresh soon and price drops or stays the same while performance goes up
I'm definitely gonna have to find the version of this video you do in 2 years when I'm ready to build a new pc. Thanks for doing these videos Steve, you are hugely appreciated.
The one time I support a sponsor. Literally just put a 240mm arctic liquid freezer 2 in my setup last night. I have a ryzen 7 5800x and it's easy for the threads to get in the high 80s while gaming. I was cooling it with a bequiet purerock2. Now with the 240mm aio the threads barely touch the 60s while gaming. In cinebench r23 the package would hit low 80s and the threads would hit high 70s. Very satisfied, being that I purchased for 90 USD.
Same here, but not for the same reason. I chose it for the AV1 encoder saving space and being used for Virtual Desktop wireless PCVR, which I use. But ouch that the 6800 XT beats it a good bit…
@@Fisklingur why lmao? its raw performance still beats the 4070 and it is 30-50 dollars cheaper in most cases unless you really care about ray tracing its the better choice imo
The problem here isn’t just GPU prices but currency prices. GTX 580 in 2012 costed 500 bucks which meant 4000SEK. 500 bucks these days equals 7500SEK so even if the dollar price hadn’t increased (which it has) cards would still be about 80% more expensive compared to 10 years ago just because the dollar has gone up in value.
That's incorrect, the dollar as gone DOWN in value, by a lot. It takes way more dollars to buy gold than it did 10 years ago. There for the dollar has gone down in value, as it takes more to buy.
@@Valkaneer they meant the same thing as you did, they just phrased it incorrectly (dollar has indeed dropped in value, but that's what they were saying, it costs more $ for the same thing than before, and its even worse in most local currencies around the world). The whole world has gone to shit, we're as a global society richer than ever and have more resources per capita then ever, and yet the distribution of that wealth is all screwed up
Got my 6950xt for $580 back in july and I'm glad I did. Runs everything I throw at it at 1440p and in many games at my monitor's refresh rate cap of 170hz. True, it runs pretty warm and ray tracing is a serious hit, but I'm not spoiled (yet) with pc performance so I'm sure this'll last me another 4 years easy
@@anomonyous Ah I got the exact same model, had been eyeing the merc cards for like 2 years, just love their look and lighting! But at 1440p you're much more likely to hit 100% usage on the GPU than at 1080p. If you're CPU bottlenecked and your GPU usage is well below 100%, it would obviously use less power. Case fans aren't the issue either, got 9 of em (found a 3-pack of decent fans for $15). The card is cooled decently and doesn't come close to throttling, but still putting out 300W of heat is noticeable
@GamersNexus yo! coming here straight from Roman's "Optimus vs thermal grizzly" video. Glad to hear you gonna provide your numbers. When we gonna see the video? cheers!
It is hard to argue how good of a value the rx 6800 is, Amazing performance and also very efficient with low power usage especially for what it gives you. If I was buying that would be the one. Hope more cards like this come in the next generation! Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
My friend just got his last night he jumped from a gtx 780 from 2013. He just messaged me and was like he didn't know there was rain in Forza ms7 lol...
@@tomthomas3499 you can see from some reviews that 6800xt consumes around 200-250 watts in most games. That makes the room quite hot since my roommate has one of these and his room is much hotter when he's gaming than mine. For reference I have 3060 12 gig
For me it hardly hits over 200 watts in usage, especially after undervolting it a little. The fact that it consumes much less than the xt version, but can keep up in performance for the most part makes it super underrated in my opinion
As a daily Intel Arc A750 user... the way Intel still shows how much they are working hard on improving those cards just makes me happy and it is really nice to see a proper Tech TH-camr actually acknowledging that as well Kudos to you and your Team at GN studio, Steve :)
shit where were u when scalpers were selling 20 series for 2k and 30 series for almost 5k. The 30 series took so long to drop in price that 40 series mimics the same price and does it better.
@@b4rs629 that was a crypto mining problem , with the 40 series its Nvidia themselves taking the piss ,and are too , I have loyalty or shilling for either gpu naker
I'm pretty damned happy with my 5800X3D/6800XT combo. Swapped in 2x16GB DDR4 and I'll be quite content for a couple of years. The best part: using my old 5600, RAM, a spare PSU I had, and getting a screaming deal on a case, mobo & monitor means I had the $415CAD for a price-beat 6750XT to build a decent 1080p gaming rig for my nephew for Xmas. He's the only other gamer in the family, and it's something he and I have in common.
I miss the days where the $100-$150 price point was a sweet spot. 9600 GT was one of the best values I think I've ever purchased. $120. Edit: Fixed spelling mistake.
I miss the days when a 500 dollar graphics card was considered fucking bonkers expensive. I remember buying TWO watercooled eVGA GTX480 FTWs for under 1100 CAD.
@@danielcobia7818 SLI seemed so promising. On one hand, it's a bit of a shame that it's not viable anymore. On the other hand, who wants to get extorted two times instead of one time? Not me.
@@Earendur08 If it wasn't for the frame inconsistency issues it would have been awesome. There was the potential to pay less or just a bit more than the top end GPU and get way better performance. And you could spread it across some time rather than having to drop it all in one lump sum. As it worked it wasn't worth it as the frame stuttering was something of an awful mess even though the "average" FPS were way higher. I noticed the issue one time at a LAN party where another guy had an AMD card and was saying he was jealous of my setup. I was watching his screen and it was felt way smoother than my pair of 7800 GT's on the same game. (Dawn of War) Even though my frame rate was higher. That's when I started to question whether SLI was worth it. Then I got my 9600 GT that blew that setup out of the water.
@danielcobia7818 agreed. I went from two gtx480s to a gtx970 and the jump in performance was big but the biggest change was how much wattage my system drew. Those 480s were probably one of Nvidia's least efficient cards.
That is a catastrophic bottleneck even if you game at higher resolutions. A 5800X3D or 5900X/5950X depending on your needs would be massive upgrades and all those would need is a bios update.
Was the ARC A770 intentionally left out and I missed the reason why? I think you can still get one at Newegg for around $259 at the time of my writing this. One of the perks of the A770 is that it's equipped with 16GB of memory while many of the cards in the $200-$300 category only have 8GB. 8GB seems to be the bare minimum these days if you want to avoid problems with textures in most newer titles.
Thanks for your very thorough and detailed content GN, it's really a beacon of light in a sea of marketing b\s! I managed to snag an EVGA 3060ti FTW3 at the height of the pandemic for a "decent" 700$ CAD (new). Glad to see it's still relevant and decently performing even today. Hopefully Intel can shake things up in the GPU market, AMD and Greedvidia need a slap in the face to come back down to earth.
Isn't that above msrp? I know the 4090 has sold for higher than msrp since release, but anything higher than msrp, even by 1 dollar, is overpriced. But I could be wrong on the msrp entirely :P
The 7800XT really is a better deal than you guys make it out to be. You can only find the 6800XT for $20 less rn and driver updates have already put the 7800XT ahead in FPS.
Unfortunately, the 7800XT performs worse than the 6800XT. They improved the per "core" performance between generations, then shipped it with less cores than the previous gen...
This was very good for me. While I have a Sapphire Toxic 6900XT. I am considering something for my HTPC which has a Vega 64 with a AIO on it for cooling. I am considering a 6750XT but nothing of the current crop excites me. If I had to buy a replacement gpu it would be the 7900XTX. But I may wait and see what RDNA 4 brings to the table and at what price. It all works for the games I play and the video transcoding I do on the HTPC.
Bought a Sapphire Nitro+ 7900 XTX to replace my Vega 64... make sure you measure carefully, it didn't fit in my FT02 and clears the fans in my D-Frame by ~0.5mm.
I'm glad I picked up my 4090 at launch. It was on my bucket list to have top-of-the-line GPU at least once, so I spent that year's bonus on it. It's nice that over a year later it's still at the top of the pack and not by a small margin, and it even appreciated in value? I feel like I scored well on that one, even if it's so freakishly expensive.
Holy cow. I've been holding off buying a 4090 (I'm probably going to pull the trigger in January AFTER the refresh) but the card I've been tracking went from 1699 to 2799. What in the world is up with the GPU market?
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Is the RTX 4070 Super a good pick on a budget where I can just barely justify spending $600 on a card? The PC I have now has a GTX970 in it so I know I'll be wowed no matter what I get from a modern gen, but can I reasonably expect a 4070 S to last as long before being "too old" as the GTX970 did?
I hate to suggest changing up your entire formula for presenting GPUs for the year... but: How would you guys feel about making a list of best GPUs for a given resolution, and then organizing them by price? Does that make sense?
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I would have liked to see the Vram capacity in the charts so people dont buy say the 3050 to play older games it can run at 4k performance wise but doesnt have the Vram to actually run
I will also point out that not having say the 3090 and 3090 ti's make the list's is really dumb
For the price of a 4070 ti you can typically get a 3090 or a used 3090 ti which is a better choice for modern games like resident evil remake that will happily birn through all your Vram of which the 3090 and 3090 ti have enough to just ignore the Vram chugging games
Best Techtuber e-drama :P
RAM stuff would be nice.
I picked up a 6600 for 139 bucks off of newegg TikTok shop.
im waiting for PC cases❤
1080ti, 7 years later and still relevant. What a beast.
It was the greatest video card ever released. No driver issues, no buggy this or that, just flawless 1080p performance with 11GB of memory.
Looking to upgrade now. Just for fun. But this 1080ti is still going STRONG. For 7 years man its insane.
Just before they started adding $100 of RTX garbage for no benefit.
I'm still using mine, with another classic - the 3600. It's only now that I'm getting the itch to upgrade; though I'm struggling to justify the insane cost.
"relevant"
Recently upgraded my aging build from a R7 1700 + RX580 to a 5800X3D + 6800XT, kept the old B350 MoBo and DDR4, not disappointed and happy to see them do well in both "Best of 2023"
Crazy upgrade!!! What mobo and exact ram you have? Share pcpsrtpicker list
@@deivytrajan Asus Prime B350M-A (had to upgrade the BIOS and upgrade the old stock cooler) and Corsair Vengeance LPX (4 x 16 GB) DDR4 3200MHz C16
And yes, the AM4 support was really good (new CPU on a 6+ year old MoBo), and I hope AMD keeps the trend and maybe Intel could follow the lead
@@baarumCheck that your mobo actually has PCI-E gen 4, otherwise you might be restricting the GPU to only half the bandwidth. Did that to myself using a B450 board. Don't forget to enable Above 4G decoding and resizable bar in the BIOS as well to use the whole of the GPU's capability.
@@WardWCeven if it is only PCIe 3.0 it won't be that much of a bottleneck.
@@WardWC B350 and B450 are PCIe 3.0 only but that's shouldn't affect the performance much. Only B550 and X570 support PCIe 4.0 on AM4
Very fascinating to see that after all this time the first-generation Intel Arc cards are actually competitive in the 100-200$ price class.
It speaks to Intel dedicating a lot of time and resources supporting Alchemist after its bad launch, as well as it speaks to Nvidia (and AMD to an extent) continuing to abandon the lower price segment.
Not really, most A700 class cards cost more than $200, and Arc still has serious driver and software compatibility issues.
@@Wobbothe3rd just wait a few years
@@Wobbothe3rd Most A750s cost $180-$190 right now.
@@jomiplayz2765ah yes, wait 2-3 years until complete obsolescence and you can finally play DX11!
@@GamersNexus Intel really seems to not try at all in EU though. Prices are significantly higher than AMD and Nvidia whereas AMD and Nvidia NA prices somewhat translate to EU prices. Of course I understand that the content is focused on the NA market but I did feel like mentioning it at least.
In the % difference charts, it would be beneficial to write the GPU name on the left and right side (indicating who takes the win), as it's sometimes difficult to keep track of things and there isn't enough time to read through the chart title/specifics (I understand pausing is an option, but it'd be a QoL thing)
I personally like this idea. I'm lazy after work and while I enjoy these videos I often have to go back and watch it again to retain all the info I need... So obviously if it isn't too much of a pain in the rear it would be great to see the games listed and what card does better in it on the side. Ultimately I understand you can't do every single little thing we think would be a good idea for these videos though lol. They'd be all an hour long with flashing lights everywhere like it's a rave.
Don't bother. I've tried getting them to even highlight the lines they're talking about in more than 2 colors, and they refuse to change.
I am so happy that I got a 1080Ti back in 2017. That card is such a beast and seemingly the last of its kind. The 980Ti and 1080Ti were just so damn good and held on for years.
my friend finally replaced his 780 from 2013 with a rx 6800. He just messaged me like I didn't know there was rain in Forza MS7... lol....
@@b4rs629 The RX 6800, at it's current price, is THE card to get for anyone who hangs on to their hardware for a long time. Precisely the same performance and TDP as the 7700XT, but 16GB VRAM and $50 cheaper. Having lots of VRAM for the modder scene's texture packs can keep old games looking fresh for a long time, and texture quality doesn't impact performance. If your friend stuck with 1080p then this card will serve him well for a very long time.
Still running a 980ti between 30-120FPS as not enough games push raytraceing for me to justify an upgrade.
Still wanting to step up to 4k and a 48' 120hz monitor. Just worried about OLED life and burnin/gray washout on a monitor that will be used for gaming and PC use.
Same. Just started feeling the need to upgrade recently. But I feel like games are not optimized well now either.
It *was* a beast. Now even fairly low specced modern cards own it.
It's crazy how the 100-200 category is basically "afford an RX 6600, buy used or go home"
Yeah at that price you might as well get a ps5.
@@Username-2ps5 is on par 6700 non xt.
Yeah but then you have to pay monthly fee to use the damn PS5 to any capacity. No such bullshit on PC
The most popular category.
@@bulutcagdas1071 Won't be an issue for single player gamers and fortnite/apex (maybe warzone, I'm not sure) Dogshit practices but that's what you buy yourself into when you go for a closed ecosystem
What's insane to me is a 6800xt for $450 and a 6800 for less than $400, if I was building right now, I'd be grabbing one of those, that's a light 4k/1440p setup for
100% agreed. The 6800 XT and 6950 XT are both crazy good deals right now. Too bad the 6950 XT appears to be fading (or at least, there's a lot less stock now), but it is a seriously high-end card for the price.
@@GamersNexus there's been one or two models of the 6950xt that were sub $600 recently, the previous gen AMD cards continue to be heavy hitters in and above their price class, and I worry we won't have another situation like this, similar to Nvidia and the pascal generation, specifically the 1080ti
As long as you are not using ray tracing it is.
Really feel good for myself)) buying rx 6800 xt taichi for 350$ and its beast after rx 480)
Think waiting for the 4070 Super is the ideal for me. 16GB of VRAM and DLSS3.5 and AV1 encoding plus Tensor and RT cores. I do not want to miss out on that HL2 remake.
Hey GN wanted to say thanks again for your recent videos re-visiting AM4 and other platforms to show upgrade value paths. Because I was a chad nerd and watched them all end-to-end, I was recently able to give more informed advice to a buddy who was still rocking AM4 with a 1700X. Sure enough when I pulled up the support page for the mobo, with the latest BIOS it yields support for the 5800X3D.
You're doing your company and consumers a real solid by staying focused applying your data skills towards relevant use cases for contemporary upgrade paths, bravo. I personally maintain and build many PCs for friends and family so this is helping me keep things out of landfills, and money in bank account rather than always buying new.
Its crazy just how good the 6800XT still is. My 5700 XT has served me well, but its finally time to upgrade and in the 400-500 range the 6800XT just dominates. Despite being a little older it's still a very compelling card.
I tried a RX 7700 in Linux Mint, no driver support yet. I bet it would have been fine with a 6800XT
@unholydonutsit's not crazy, the naming is just funny. The msrp got lowered by like 150 for the 7800xt compared to the 6800xt. You can buy them for around the same price rn. I just got myself a brand new 7800xt for a 1k € build and I couldn't be happier
Yeah I pulled the trigger on it and didn't pay much more than an equivalent 6800xt. Does what I want and is quiet and pretty efficient.
I just bought a 6800. I'm upgrading from a GTX 750 LMAO, I'm so excited
I had one before the 4080 I have now. I loved that GPU
Just bought parts for my first ever desktop PC (and first ever build), got myself an r5 7600 with a 6700xt and 32gb ddr5 6000mhz RAM. Super excited to put it together! :)
That's awesome! Enjoy the build!
Nice, that's a great hardware combo! Enjoy, and welcome to the PC master race 😁
Thanks all for the nice comments :)
Missing a few parts there for the full build but more power to ya ! Thats a nice 1440p pc right there.
That's a well balanced build. I hope sanity got the better of you and you went with a 1080p monitor.
as someone who upgraded this summer to a 5800X3D and a 6800 XT, it feels nice to see both those parts be mentioned as some of the best offerings in their category
Ya I'm still using my Ryzen 1700 & 1080. I'm tempted to make the jump, but I want the 4070 for cyberpunk. I just ordered a 4tb samsung 990 pro cuz it's $250 right now on amazon.
That's a good setup. When my friend's PC died in a thunderstorm that is what we specced for him as a gift last christmas.
@@b4rs629 wow, not a bad price!
@@Voyajer. What is less balanced is my 96 GB of RAM lol
(I played modded Cities Skylines. Even with the loading screen mod, the game still drank 53 GB of RAM when running)
kinda in a similar boat 5800x3d and a 7800xt..maybe we should drag race and see what results we get..my guess is that you will pull ahead half the time..just a hunch
Love how the AMD RX580 is still relevant to this day, it just refuses to die.
Long live the king 😂
Would unironically buy a new old stock 580 over a 6500 and there's at least 2 models in stock from 100-130.
Y'know if I had concerns about buying used and couldn't afford more.
got one used for 100$ 5 years ago and i was still using it until this year, that i got a rx6800, mostly because i needed the extra vram for trying local AI models.
Still rocking it
Still using mine in one machine. :D
It's worth noting that in a lot of places the 3060 Ti is starting to cost a lot more than even some premium model 4060s. Despite its embarrassing launch it's starting to look like a reasonable upgrade for people with older cards like the 1660.
I upgraded from 1660 to 4060 and I’m happy because I couldn’t find good cards within a good range of money and I wanted to try out frame generation and use raytracing for my 3D rendering. Now onto upgrading from AM4 to AM5 platform in the upcoming months
I came from a 1080 I like my 3060 big upgrade for me.
That's literally what I've been saying since launch
I went from 1070ti to 4060ti. I got it for my birthday and was super happy and I still am with performance boost. Its a great 1080p card.
True although the mem bus width and hence bandwidth neutering that it got causes an infuriating amount of performance variance between games that shouldn't be there. To the point (as hw unboxed showed) that it loses to the 3060 ti in a non insignificant amount of games.. A 192 but bus width 4060 ti with 12gb as it should have been would've actually been massively more acceptable because it would basically be a way more efficient 3070 ti with 12gb of vram. Rn tho u do have the option of mem overclocking which both by nvidia artificially limiting stock mem speed a lot, and the bandwidth starvation, let's you get a good 10% avg fps and ofc much less variance game to game from just a mem oc and if you weren't aware, mem oc's are crazy easy to do and stability test.
I love these videos I’ve learned so much from them. Back in 2021 I enjoyed my 3060 ti. Mid this year I got a 4070 ti and enjoying Cyberpunk and upgraded to 2k. Don’t know where I’d be without you gents. ❤
My gpu is from 2016 Alienware pc. I'm about to buy a 4070ti. Does it have to be Nvidia only brand or can we go with someone else?
u can go with whatever brand u want, dosent matter
@@Leon_Aldrich
Can a 4060 handle 2k gaming with all sliders raised?
I bought a 3080 Ti in 2022 for $900. Still going strong. Will use it for as long as is lasts.
Bought mine in 2021 for 2600 cad. 3080ti is a beast, surprised it's not on the list.
I just had like a weird phantom memory of the Radeon VII, I forgot that card even existed lol, what a strange card
Don't forget Frontier Edition!
The RTX 4090 is an absolute MONSTER in terms of performance.
Pity Nvidia thinks you need to sell a kidney to own one.
$1600 is less than most people's monthly rent. Most people aren't buying a new GPU every year, or even every generation. The 4090 is CHEAPER than the 3090ti and completely stomps it in performance.
@@Wobbothe3rdMost things are cheaper than monthly rent in big cities nowadays, not because things are cheap but because the housing market is utterly fucked right now. Not that I'd expect someone that seriously brings up 3090ti to understand value.
Looking at their recent earnings report, I'm not surprised. They're milking some crazy margins in the data center vs what they could do with normal consumers
@@Wobbothe3rdMaybe in certain parts of America but in Germany it costs like 1.8k € while rent in a OK 3 room flat is like 800€ and the average salary is around 2k
I'm not rich. I can buy 7800x3d and 4090 by saving money for half year. Is the situation in the West that bad?
Picked up the gtx 1070 when it released back in 2016 and it served me pretty well through all the years. Just upgraded to a rx 6700xt a week ago and that gpu is pretty damn impressive, especially for that price range!
GTX 1070 is GTX 980Ti, it was the second beast after 1080 at the time
Same, was running a 1070 for a number of years before I found a crypto miner liquidating an entire rig's worth of of 6700 XTs for $250 apiece on eBay a couple months back. Especially for that price, I've been more than happy with the performance!
yeah, I also upgraded from a 1070 this year. was pretty solid and now my father uses it for his older games. Still going strong after 6 years or so
same, im looking at either a 7800xt or the 4070 super when that drops. not too sure what i should do.
upgraded my 1070 when a 1080ti kinda fell into my hands but its been an amazing upgrade. 1070 did serve me well i must say
I will never pay over $500 for a stupid video card! $500 is my limit, I draw the line there. Really sick of being price gouged and lied to so that a video card company can make billions of dollars each year off of children and hard-working consumers. This is beyond shady business, it's criminal!
300 is my limit
It really is price gouging. It’s unnecessary to spend more than $500 for a GPU any time tbh. Any more than that, the average person is way overpowering their system. I know so many people that have systems with i914k and 4090s that don’t play anything other than cod
I've been running a GTX 970 and I was going to finally update my PC for the first time since 2014 yesterday and had my mind set on a 6950XT. Very disappointed that they did such a short run on this card and everyone gobbled it up seemingly right when the Friday sale started. Couldn't make it to the cart. So now I've got a PowerColor Hellhound 7800XT on order cause it was the next best thing. I've always spent around $350 on a GPU and it's already a stretch to spend $500. I just cannot justify spending $750-$800 on the 7900XT for, to me anyway, a performance increase that doesn't justify the extra $250-$300. NVIDIA is dead to me right now after being a customer to them for years seeing their predatory pricing get worse particularly since 2021 so they won't get me back until they stop smoking crack. The 4070 getting beaten handily by so many Radeon cards yet having to pay more for it seems to be only for people that just can't buy anything that isn't NVIDIA.
Just get yourself a 6700XT or 6750XT, coming from a 970 it will be an insane upgrade for you. f you have afew extra bucks get the 6800XT, it will handle anything you want to play at 1440p.
I'm a Nvidia fan too. How weird is it that I am currently using a GTX 970?
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im running a gtx 960 :-) Still dunno what card to get ...
Shoutout to GTX 10 Series. Was gaming with my 4770's integrated graphics before finding a 1070 for 90USD lol and holy hell it can still game good.
ya my gtx 1080 is still going strong from my first pc build in 2017 /w ryzen 1700, b350, 1tb samsung nvme, 16gb of ram, & 1440p monitor. Plays everything I'm interested in, but I think this game satisfactory might make me upgrade cuz' they just updated the game to unreal engine 5 and it looks beutiful.
@@b4rs629You can drop a 5800x3d into most b350 boards. Def worth checking out.
I upgraded from a GTX 960 2GB to a GTX 1080 non-Ti in February this year. It was a huge upgrade and works great with a X5670 @ 4.4GHz.
I have now built a newer PC but still using the GTX 1080 until I can get something faster for a decent price. When I get a newer card I'll put the GTX 1080 back to the old X5670 system
I bought the GTX 960 in 2016 from a friend who upgraded to a GTX 1070. Back then I could only dream of having a card like the 1070/1080
@@b4rs629 went from a 1070 at 40 fps old engine to 7800xt new engine at 70-80fps
@@telewubby1961 that's nice what games u playing?
Truly, the GTX 1080ti is the Last Great Graphics Card. We’ve been paradoxically going downhill despite being on a climb. That, or it’s that moment from part 7 of Jon Bois’ Atlanta Falcons documentary where he realizes that the win probability chart was dead wrong.
The 3080 had every chance to be the modern 1080 Ti, but unfortunately, it was only truly available at MSRP for about 2 weeks at launch, then it was gone for a year or two (without getting gouged).
@@GamersNexus I remember being pumped about RTX 3000 and RX 6000 until _the dark ages_ arrived.
@@GamersNexus Ya seeing 3080's going for almost 5k on amazon at one point was insane. The pricing on 30 series now is still nuts.
I copped a XFX 7900 XT earlier this month at $750 as an upgrade to my 6700 XT, and man it is a night and day difference in performance
The extra VRAM helps in some VR games too
Also managed to grab a 7900 xtx in an eBay auction for around $750. For that price I'd feel crazy to go with anything else
Depends what you guys play. My 6700XT is downclocked and undrvolted, because I just don't need the power :P
The XFX black edition with chrome backplate is quite sexy.
I went with an XTX, but also came from a 6700XT. I'm still staying on 1440p though... Now I can play with RT on in everything and get the same FPS as I got with the 6700XT at mixed settings.
@@ej1025shame it comes with a gross GPU bracket
I picked up an rx 6700 xt for $300 right after ethereum 2.0 released dropping gpu prices a lot. Absolutely worth every penny, such a good gpu.
Did you go back and forth debating between higher cards? That is where I am currently stuck..I could spend for the 7800xt but I don't want to overstretch budget.
I could go 6700xt. I mostly only play apex/warzone and it seems to get 120 FPS+ easy on both games on the 6700xt.
@@andrewroof8042 not sure about warzone but I know apex is very CPU intensive being a source game so as long as you have a good CPU you shouldn't have any troubles. I wouldn't go above a rx 6700 XT unless you plan on getting 240fps on every game or want to move to 1440p. If you were debating on getting a rx 7800 XT you could look at a rx 6950 XT, slightly better performance and it's around the same price on the used market
@@Clanps Im in the same position but with those GPU you need more watt psu im debating between 6800xt and 6950xt.
@@flipinfin just check the usage on PC part picker. I know they recommend an 800watt or something around there for a 6950 XT but it doesn't use nearly that at all. I'm using 450 watts max with my current specs and I have a 650 watt PSU
I saw a good improvement that would simplify looking between price points: do a chart ignoring other cards and focusing only on the available cards on that price point, from best to worse in fps. That would work best for people looking exclusively on price x performance. The way the video goes was kinda confusing until I processed that information.
typical price gauging tactic before black friday and boxing day. my sister currently works as a manager at a large retailer and they actually slowly raised the price in the past 2 months specifically for this case. the 15% sale now is equal to the price from 2 months back
Typical business tactic. The ones who keep the same prices and then reduce, i buy from.
@@eternalbeing3339 you might find that in small retailers or mom and pop shops, but big retailers are all doing this nowadays. they use boxing day and black friday as a way to offload unwanted products that they cant sell throughout the year before bringing in the new seasonal items
The weird thing is that you have the options online to check this. You can literally see the pricing graphs of many retailers online on some comparison sides ! How can anyone still be hyped for these "sales". I was browsing for tablets and after like 30 products I got the first one that was actually at its lowest price ?! wtf
I have a feeling that the first few generations of ARC GPU's will be a bit rough, but I think Intel can pull off a good dedicated GPU line in a couple of generational cycles.
Nah, honestly my A770 16GB (currently less than $300USD) has been super solid for the past several months. I don't think GN is correct here anymore with the Intel drivers, and that they didn't talk about the A770 at all is baffling, as it's by FAR the best card at its price point.
For a first generation they did pretty well , with all their updates that increased performance it's a solid pick. 2nd gen can only get better but hope they keep the price the same
Only the Intel arc750 has the same power as an RTX 3060Ti including ray tracing, the bad thing is its fcking drivers that sometimes make the PC crash and not perform well in old and even modern games (Starfield), but Intel is also behind in technologies such as AMD's FSR and Nvidia's DLSS and their frame generation versions that serve to increase fps.
That is to say that if Intel tomorrow solved the problem with its drivers and presented new AI technologies to increase the performance of its cards, they would be a very good purchase option and a rival to fear for AMD and Nvidia, but for now buy an Intel ARC It would be like using Linux without knowing anything about commands, that is, you will have to fight with it to make it work correctly.
@@X3455. Yeah, that's how I feel about their first gen ARC GPU's as well. I don't have one, but I feel like my next GPU may end up being from intel. For a new line of GPU's it has its' first generation issues that they have to work out with driver updates. But it seems like they are doing a good job sorting them out with each driver update. I think things can only get better from gen two onwards. But what they have now, still looks pretty damn good.
@@X3455. The 750 is closer to the regular 3060 than the 3060ti; even the 7780 generally doesn't do nearly as well as the 3060ti.
For me, I think this first generation from Intel was great for working out the kinks for their cards, both in hardware and software. Assuming they make a 2nd generation, I would hope to see some more improvements on both aspects, as well as releasing a couple higher-end cards. At the moment, they are really only competitive from a cost/performance standpoint: if you want to actually play anything relatively new at relatively high settings, then none of the Intel cards will suffice. They are great if you are fine with lower fps, or with lowered settings, but they absolutely require a compromise somewhere.
Unless Intel really pulls out all the stops for a 2nd generation of cards, it likely won't be until the 3rd generation that they really hit their stride, at the very least. I would actually find it *highly* likely that they could be much more competitive than AMD, when you consider how much AMD fucked up taking advantage of pricing models compared to Nvidia during the last couple years. AMD could have taken a *MASSIVE* portion of the market by dropping their prices an extra $100 or so on all cards, simply by virtue of not pricing out huge sections of the market. If Intel can keep its good pricing, while also offering higher-powered cards - even if that meant relying more heavily on their CPU profits, with little profit from the GPU end - that would be a very easy way for them to bump up their market share considerably.
With rising popularity of handheld PCs, I have a strong feeling there is gonna be a major shift in focus for game developers, you would not want to exclude a majority base of players from playing your game at its best and with the increased prices more and more people are left with low to mid range cards or even older high end stuff.
Game developers specially triple A will be focusing on a more accessible experience rather then chasing eye candy as a selling point which turns out, is not all the great selling point after all.
We already kind of seen this shift take place albeit at a slower pace.
Phone games+.
Handheld PCs aren't that mainstream, unfortunately. Even the Steam Deck only sold 3 million units so far, compared to current-gen consoles selling about 67 million units combined. I think it's unlikely that we'll see AAA devs give special consideration to optimization because of handhelds.
While there sure aremore people buying mid and low end cards, or mobile systems, or consoles, high end card are also at a historic hight. Yes, there is a slight drop in market share for the upper end cards, although not all that big, even the the 980 and 1080 days the absolute majority did not buy those cards. And numbers for units sold at the high end are vastly higher than 5-10 years ago, not to mention even a current midrange offering in the 350-500 dollar sector absolutely smokes most handheld and consoles.
When people realize they can play games anywhere literally they will jump on the idea. the steam deck and other hand held pc are the only thing you should be buying to play games on period. (unless you like kiddy Nintendo games for little babies lol jk) there is no reason to buy a ps4 or xbox 1 when the Steam Deck and Ally exist @@HunterTracks
RX 7800 XT was a fantastic upgrade from my 1070ti. Booted up Starfield on the 1070ti and got like 16FPS on Medium. It was past time.
I upgraded in mid-Sept from my aging Vegas 64 to the Asus TUF white 7800 xt and love it! I play tons of EA WRC rally, used to play lots of FIFA 23, and just grabbed Alan Wake 2, stoked!
@@calvinminer4365 lmao im gonna upgrade to a vega 56 from my 280x which just died
(if i can find the money)
I run medium/low on a 1070 and I'm getting 30-40 fps 🤷♂
@@fraggyfyou’re laughing but I’m currently playing cyberpunk on my gtx 960
I've really enjoyed my 7900 XTX in 2023. For the money the performance is extremely good and seeing it out perform the 4090 in UE5 games bodes very well for the future
Got mine today with 7 7800X3D. Haven’t tried any games so far but I’m looking forward to it
@@generalv.1891 I have the same Setup sindce one week, next week it gets under a full custom loop again
Got my 7x3d too looking for a card now, Shappire xtx most likely
What game is this beating the 4090? I need receipts because real game tests show your card 3rd or 5th below the 4070ti sometimes. raytracing also seems to not exist on your 1k + card which is hilarious. Keep dreaming
@@RealObeyNinjas Raytracing is still a gimmick in my honest opionion
it's crazy how localized these prices are. for me decent RTX 4070 cards start at 600€ and quickly go beyond that
Wow. What part of Europe are you in?
For me they start at 700, really you should just be educated and figure it out in your shops
@@GamersNexusNotice that if he is from europe this does contain taxes.
A 4070 is on SALE for $750 in here in Sweden…
@@Hulle19 it feels like the shortage never went away with new cards in sweden. the last gen nvidia cards still costs more than their launch price, and radeon is barely any better. radeon 7000 is especially terrible compared to the US. used cards can be really good for the price though, i got a 6600XT for 2200kr.
I got a 5700xt for $57 last year, best deal I've ever gotten.
Edit: it was $67, my bad
Actually pretty good for $57!
I'd take a 7900 XT for $79, if that is how that works.
Dang! Good deal!
@@asdfjklo234funnily enough, even if we consider the nvidia cards with this type of pricing, they'd still maintain a similar price variance percentage 😂
Knowing Nvidia, the 5090 is probably going to cost $5090
Picked up a 4070 for $550 a couple months ago and have been super happy. Card is a beast.
Though the market has probably changed, the 6650 XT was truly underrated, especially if you could get it cheap. I got one at Microcenter for $220 before most price drops, and I have zero regrets.
The $180 A750 that you show in the video is the Orc edition, but all of your test benchmarks say they're using the Titan edition or the LE which are both $200.
At 6:53 you show an A770 but the text at the bottom left of the video says it's an A750.
At this point my heavily overclocked 1080ti is still aging like fine wine. Rather than obsolescence I'm starting to get more concerned at the fact that it just wont die... And I even mined more than its original value back when it was worth it during the pandemic...
Got my newly built pc together a month ago. Went with RX 7800. Can max everything out on 1440p so far. Very happy with it.
How you like Avatar? 😂
Just upgraded to a 4080 from 3070. Spent 500 Euros (benefits and selling the old card). 4090 was too expensive and would need a new PSU, 4070ti not bad if it had 16GB memory. Disregarding the price, it's such a good card. Running stable at 2820Mhz undervolted, super efficient and silent. I'm pretty happy. And even if new GPUs are planned...just get what you need and what you can afford. Don't worry what's coming tomorrow. Tech is aging, new stuff coming out all the time, prices will go down.
Indeed.
I bought the rtx 4080 for 1470 € euros 3 months after launch.
While the 4090 costs 2100 to 2200 euros.
It's still a huge jump in price.
Even if the perfomance is that far better.
But it's a linear increase price to perfomance gain wise.
And since I play at 3440x1440 the 4080 just runs vast majority of titles fine at 170hz .
Ofc some titles with Ray tracing is not quite sufficient but I don't really mind.
4080 is ultra efficient aswell and makes no sound.
Just great gpu but I agree that it was still priced a above it's real weight.
The thing is regardless of the 4080’s price, a lot of people forget that many who are in the GPU class upgrades ore often and offset the buying price with the sale of their old GPU which’ll have a reasonable sale price being a higher level previous generation GPU. Enjoy your build 🤩✊💪🥳
I just upgraded from my 2080 and got an MSI 4080 used from Amazon for $1,049 a couple weeks ago and I'm pretty happy with it ,the only thing I worry about is only having 16gb of vram. I keep hearing about the 4080 super coming in January but I have a feeling that once they come out you won't be able to get one for MSRP because it will become the card everyone wants for their high end builds because the 4090 is basically nonexistent now.
@@zeldajunkielol2 same upgrade as I did.
Do you play at native 4k?
If not the 16 gb is more then plenty for all majority of content.
Why are you upgrading from a 3070? i would have held on to that for a while longer. you probably payed an insane amount for it during the pandemic so i would want to ekk out as much performance as possible.
Great GPU round up! Arc has really come up big time!
I managed to land a 3070 for MSRP in 2020. It's a bit frustrating, because it's really fast, but I get memory capped on it easily. I wish there were a way to keep my chipset and just upgrade the vRAM
Back in 2021, I got lucky and, due to shop pricing error, bought 3080ti for the price of 3080. 1440p sweet spot ❤️
Speaking of the 3080s, it's unusual that they weren't given any consideration in this ranking.
Just picked up one used recently. Was barely used by the seller.
Upgraded from 2600x and 2070 to a 5800x3d and a 4070. I was quite surprised to be able to play Cyberpunk on ultra RT at a steady 80fps. Very pleased with that outcome for what were straight drop in replacements
1440p?
Enjoy the build my friend 💪👍🤩🥳! I have an RTX4070 O/c (Zotac) which I got for below best current USD prices as a ‘display model’ (here in Australia 🇦🇺) with, FREE express overnight shipping and FREE game code to put in my PS2 Slim (Skyreach Mini) sized pc case and using in a HTPC environment. I happily play fps titles at 1080p with very high fps on my 4K TV and single player titles at 4K (with DLSS) high settings on average with smooth frame rates ~60-75 fps the vast majority of time which is fine with slower paced titles.
@@noah92930 yep, bought a good Phillips 170Hz 1440p panel
Last week I bought an old 1080 Armor off ebay for $100 to replace my 1650s. I think I got a pretty good deal, especially for how amazing this card was/is.
Ya, I'm still rocking my 1080 @ 1440p from 2017. Best $500 I've spent & it still plays most games I'm interested in.
unlikely
@@b4rs629 about same money I've bough 1070ti which about 1y ago I replaced (free) with 1080. Still plays all the games in 1440p*.
@@IkeBroflovski-y4e And your point what? About same performance, but Nvidia have better video encoding and more stable drivers
It pays off to have good friends. I got a 2080TI earlier this year for the cost of shipping($54) from my buddy after he upgraded to a 4090. I will probably be holding on to it for another generation or so depending on Frame generation implementation with newer titles.
Thank you for your great value-oriented videos. I'm still rocking my Vega56 since 2019 .... with Noctua fans attached to the heatsink instead of the default shroud :D
Running a Vega 56 flashed to 64 here….i just can’t bring myself to pay the greed tax to these companies.
@@warnerww83 Nice! I have mine tuned to 1312 Mhz Max and Power Limit set to -50%. I kinda don't mind a little less performance for better temperatures and less noise.
Powercolor hellhound cards are great. Very balanced cards. Also typically a great deal on the used market
I have that card. It is insanely powerful. I found Adrenaline Edition software was crashing it constantly. Make sure if you have the same issue uninstall that and just install the driver only and not Adrenaline
7900xtx hellhound was and is the gpu to buy. 2nd fastest card in the world, under 999$ . SO glad I was blessed with one in february. I am excited for FSR 3 as well. I loved it in forspoken demo.
I thought power color had pretty high failure rates?
@@aprilmeowmeow The limiting factor on failure rates as reported by manufacturers (which is pretty much the only source of statistically significant data) is how good they are at honouring the warranty, almost never the actual reliability of the cards.
I got an RX 7800 XT from Powercolor, upgrading from the 6700 XT.
The Powercolor card is apparently really good with GPU cooling, and it's got an RGB KILLSWITCH FINALLY!
I also stopped upgrading the driver with AMD.
I'm still using the 1080ti i bought in 2017 with no compelling reason to upgrade it right now and i love buying new cards.
1080Ti owner here. Its a great card! If you get a new card which would you go with!?
@@HoldenRiot i would prolly wait and see what this nvidia super series looks like but if i hadda buy right now the 7900xt 20gb looks nice.
@@dekzzxit does Iv just never owned an AMD card before so I’m currently debating if potentially a 4070ti would be a better option knowing it may have less vram but supports dlss and ray tracing. Also a 40 series get frame gen which can triple performance at a cost of a little delay apparently as well. Unsure what to go with!
Glad to see the 3060 Ti still putting up pretty solid performance, even amidst the "8GB of VRAM is no longer enough" controversy. I paid a little over $300 for mine, but that was also a year and a half ago lol. At that time a 6700 XT (used) was still $350+, and around $400-450 for the 3070. At least now all 3 of those cards are a bit cheaper overall; used 3060 Ti's are around $240, 6700 XTs are $260-275, and 3070s are right around $300 (though I'll occasionally see one for $260-280). The second hand market isn't a bad option if you can manage to buy from someone who takes care of their stuff, or at the very least doesn't abuse the crap out of it by OC'ing it waaaaaaay beyond its limit without proper cooling.
The only reason that controversy existed was bias. HuB and PCMR are bottom of the barrel sources, and should be treated as such.
@timmyp6297 8gb VRAM bottlenecks the 3070 and to a lesser extent 3060ti. Does it mean its not enough? Well not if you drop settings. But its annoying to have a card that is punching below its weight due to VRAM saturation. How are these sources "bottle of the barrel"?
@@DrumsBah Because there have never been vram issues, only people using cards for the wrong purposes. Lets test: Do you agree that 60 series is designed for 1080p? 70 for 1440p? 80+ for everything else? No? Well thats the first problem, youre wrong from the get go.
Now we see channels see low performance, and call it vram? What about the Surface Pro with DDR3 for vram (shared) running MSFS? What about the 25 years before that, where nobody really talked about vram because most understood it was a buffer. If Vram was the issue, textures would not display (they would show WHITE)!!! Yet they are all there, with some super fast DDR3 shared with the CPU for vram!
You are demonstrating fully, why Hub and LTT are bottom of the barrel sources. They, well Hub mainly, are biased. Now because AMD has ALWAYS put more vram on their cards and it has NEVER MATTERED, combined with Hub being biased, they are biased toward the card with more vram... Not with better memory management, more modern architecture, modernized feature sets, etc... but lets just forget about all that, and go with 2-4gb more vram that NEVER MATTERS.
Now back to Cyberpunk PT, Witcher 3 maxed RT, AW2 low PT... Praytell, what AMD card with its super Vram can play any three of those, at those settings? Yeah thats right, people who bought AMD got ****ed.
PS: Its also PCMR. They lead the pack in disinformation so much... Take advantage of newbies so much... that I truly believe there is (or was) something suspicious going on there.
@@DrumsBah even just using DLSS reduces vram issues...since high res textures take up more vram, upscaling reduces the total size committed to the memory. When I play cyberpunk at 1440p/high using DLSS quality, it hardly ever uses more than 5.5-6GB on my 3060ti. And fps will usually be between 70-144 depending on what's happening, although I should mention that I have both my CPU (R5 5600) and GPU OC'ed (4.8Ghz on the 5600, +150 core/+300 mem on the 3060ti)
@@timmyp6297Lol my 3060 ti noticeably runs out of vram in 1440p even with dlss quality (meaning it's technically running at 1080p), in war thunder, an 11 year old game. Luckily this is noticeable in the regard to visuals like very noticeable object pop in but still not stuttering
the "black friday sales" on hardware always crack me up. they start November 1st, and sometimes end up being more expensive by the time black friday actually rolls around :P
4080 for $900 was the route I took. Mostly the same raster as top end AMD and the added RT/DLSS features of the 4090. While at the same price as the XTX.
im thinking the same, i have a 3060ti which i bought like 2 years ago for about 600 dollars and can sell it at 400 used, still thinking if itd be a worthy upgrade tho
It would have been nice to get a chart that actually included the RX 6800 and not just the 6800XT. Considering the 6800 is more powerful and has 16GB of VRAM, while the 6700XT "only" has 12GB it may be very well worth the extra 70$. For ~300$ the 6700XT is great, but for ~370$ the 6800 is arguably better value and more future-proof.
This is something I have noticed a lot for some reason the 6800 gets over looked compared to the 6700xt and 6800xt even the 6700. I ended up getting a 6800 and I like to see how it's competing against the newer "better" cards
I just got a 6700XT from Micro Center at $300 (off base price of $390) to replace my 1660 Super, along with a 750w PSU to replace my 550w. Excited to install them and see the jump in performance.
Oh my god I'm getting one next week and we have the same old gpu. We'll now I'm excited
@@watan_5913Quick use-case reference point, Cyberpunk would run around 40FPS at Medium, now it's hitting around 80-100+FPS at High/Ultra
@@watan_5913great card. I bought one last year and upgraded to a 7800xt. I recommend powercolor, I got the red devil and am giving it to my brother in a hand me down type of rig, before that I had an rx580 red devil.
I'm one of those guys who pops back up every couple years to see where things are at. Really appreciate the videos you guys put together.
24:48 the card is in high demand and that's because Jensen decided to slow production of the card to raise demand therefore increasing price. I struggle to find any sense in this... Make more and lower price to make it more attractive therefore selling more in the long run, basic marketing practice especially this time of year
Couldn't be happier with my 5700 XT, picked it up for £180 at the start of the year and it's handled everything I've thrown at it. I've seen them going for £120-150 recently too.
I have a 5700xt and a 6700xt, the 5700xt really isn't far behind the 6700xt in performance at all, I barely noticed much fps difference except on exceptionally heavy games.
Where did you get it? New or 2nd hand?
@@gaebolglancer 2nd hand, I rarely buy things new, and haven't ever bought a brand new GPU
@@GoonyMclinuxi got a 5700xt in 2019 for $400 still a very good card for 1080p and 1440p
@@headphonesz6527 yeah, I really liked mine. It was a silicone lottery winner and runs super cool and underclocks good, the. 6700xt I got lucky also especially since it was free ninty free second hand.
That's genuinely depressing how there is so little under $200 gpus nowadays
Not really suprising though. You can either chuck in an older card (some of which you can still get new as well), or if you just want to do oldschool gaming, or lower res indie, or stuff like mobas just get an APU. Those are all playable on even something simple like a 5600G, where you basically pay 20-40 bucks extra for the graphics unit, and get similar power to what sub 100-200 dollar GPUs of old brought to the table in power.
It sometimes feels like people forgot just how weak those lowest end card really were back in the day. Then keep in mind inflation. Ignoring the stupid price games pushed by nvidia, inflation in my country since 2013 ends up at nearly 23% compounded over those 10 year. So a 200 dollar card would be closer to a 250 dollar card now, which does add more options into the bucket.
13:03 why does the b-roll make it look like the 4060ti is missing PCIe lanes? is that just an 8-lane card, and how bad is that on an older board with a former generation PCIe interface? Hmmmm.
I'm so happy you include Baldur's Gate 3 as a measurement. I can't find many videos on benchmarks with it.
Got an ASUS TUF 6800XT on eBay for around $400 a few weeks back. Loving this card so much @ 1440p.
For that price could've gotten a brand new 7800XT lmao
The absolute best hardware/gaming review channel out there. Absolutely appreciate your content and delivery. Also its cool we have people in my home state doing this work :)
Bought a new GPU a few months ago. Still had a GTX 1080 in my previous PC and so returning to the market after a few years was really confusing. What a mess.
But it even turned out that naming vs. performance wasn't the biggest problem.
Turns out size matters and most modern high performance cards are simply ridiculous.
Ended up buying a RTX 4070 FE - for the simple reason that it was the fastest card that I could find that would fit my case (barely). Tight fit is an understatement.
And this having a "full-size tower" from a big OEM. But of course they still follow official PCI specs.
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excellent roundup. would love to see this updated regularly as pricing changes.
silence, you have brain damage
Steve! Can you do this series for ddr5 ram and am5 motherboards as well?! I'd love to see it as I want to upgrade this new year!
Nice to see the GTX 1080 there. I bought used one early 2023 (paid like 80 euros if I remember correctly) after selling my 1660. Then sold the 1080 for bit of profit and bought RTX 3080 in late april and it's been good GPU so far. Also went from Ryzen 5 2600 to i5-12400F because there was good B-stock deal on it
Bought a 2080 ti in 2019 before the pandemic and it was, I think, the best timing (unintentionally) to buy that card. For what I bought it for, it's an amazing card and top of the line at the time. And it's still running everything I play amazingly.
The only downside is that I want to upgrade to current top tier tech, but I see no reason to because my card is good enough. I like buying the best of the best, but it's just not worth it. I got my card (built in waterblock included) for $1300. Until I can get a top or near top tier card for around that price, I have no reason to buy another tip tier card.
It's seriously looking like I'm gonna just wait til the mid tier cards are 4k gaming capable.
Ya had the same problem with my overlooked i5 3570. Years of "if you spend $400 you can get 20% better performance". Just finally upgraded after 12 years.
As “just a gamer” even with ability to buy a 4090, I feel like I’d be wasting money and should just get a 4070TI based on what info was all listed out. Hopefully it catches a refresh soon and price drops or stays the same while performance goes up
I would have been interested in seeing how you felt the 16gb A770 fit in the second group.
Gamers Nexus, curious. Was there a disregard for the Intel A770 or an oversight? In your opinion, where does this sub-$300 card fit in?
I would love to see an answer to this!
I'm definitely gonna have to find the version of this video you do in 2 years when I'm ready to build a new pc. Thanks for doing these videos Steve, you are hugely appreciated.
yo we have the same name
My first card was an rtx 3050, I swapped it with a rx 6750xt earlier this year. Major Upgrade, even with some of the 40 series considered.
The one time I support a sponsor. Literally just put a 240mm arctic liquid freezer 2 in my setup last night. I have a ryzen 7 5800x and it's easy for the threads to get in the high 80s while gaming. I was cooling it with a bequiet purerock2. Now with the 240mm aio the threads barely touch the 60s while gaming. In cinebench r23 the package would hit low 80s and the threads would hit high 70s. Very satisfied, being that I purchased for 90 USD.
Upgraded from my 1660 Super to a 3060 12GB and I'm very happy with it. Solid upgrade in the 1080p sphere.
I went for a 7800xt. It was only 50€ more expensive than the 7700xt and the 6800xt was just as expensive.
Same here, but not for the same reason. I chose it for the AV1 encoder saving space and being used for Virtual Desktop wireless PCVR, which I use. But ouch that the 6800 XT beats it a good bit…
I just bought a 7800xt too and this video almost made me regret it. However I'm upgrading from a 1060 so it'll probably do me fine 😂
7800xt needs a revisit from them because drivers have improved it's performance.
@@Fisklingur why lmao? its raw performance still beats the 4070 and it is 30-50 dollars cheaper in most cases unless you really care about ray tracing its the better choice imo
@@ghostyhype_btw4303 I said almost. I could've gotten the 6800xt for cheaper but it's whatever
The problem here isn’t just GPU prices but currency prices. GTX 580 in 2012 costed 500 bucks which meant 4000SEK. 500 bucks these days equals 7500SEK so even if the dollar price hadn’t increased (which it has) cards would still be about 80% more expensive compared to 10 years ago just because the dollar has gone up in value.
That's incorrect, the dollar as gone DOWN in value, by a lot. It takes way more dollars to buy gold than it did 10 years ago. There for the dollar has gone down in value, as it takes more to buy.
@@Valkaneer they meant the same thing as you did, they just phrased it incorrectly (dollar has indeed dropped in value, but that's what they were saying, it costs more $ for the same thing than before, and its even worse in most local currencies around the world). The whole world has gone to shit, we're as a global society richer than ever and have more resources per capita then ever, and yet the distribution of that wealth is all screwed up
thanks the covid lockdowns for that they acted as one huge transfer of money from the mittle class to the rich@@KingslayerSrb
Got my 6950xt for $580 back in july and I'm glad I did. Runs everything I throw at it at 1440p and in many games at my monitor's refresh rate cap of 170hz. True, it runs pretty warm and ray tracing is a serious hit, but I'm not spoiled (yet) with pc performance so I'm sure this'll last me another 4 years easy
I run mine at 1080p, 165hz.
It doesn't run warm, not even in tests. It's an XFX Merc, in a TD500 mesh case. Maybe add a few extra fans?
@@anomonyous Ah I got the exact same model, had been eyeing the merc cards for like 2 years, just love their look and lighting!
But at 1440p you're much more likely to hit 100% usage on the GPU than at 1080p. If you're CPU bottlenecked and your GPU usage is well below 100%, it would obviously use less power. Case fans aren't the issue either, got 9 of em (found a 3-pack of decent fans for $15). The card is cooled decently and doesn't come close to throttling, but still putting out 300W of heat is noticeable
I would consider the 6950xt with the 16gb of vram if it wasn't for gsync.
@@b4rs629 freesync no good for you?
@@b4rs629 Why though? Freesync is good by itself.
Picked up a 7900xt with a Newegg code for about $658. It gets here today. Upgrading from a 1070, super hyped!
@GamersNexus yo! coming here straight from Roman's "Optimus vs thermal grizzly" video. Glad to hear you gonna provide your numbers. When we gonna see the video? cheers!
It is hard to argue how good of a value the rx 6800 is, Amazing performance and also very efficient with low power usage especially for what it gives you. If I was buying that would be the one. Hope more cards like this come in the next generation! Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
My friend just got his last night he jumped from a gtx 780 from 2013. He just messaged me and was like he didn't know there was rain in Forza ms7 lol...
Seriously it's the only good deal in the video, people slept on that card so hard
In average how is it's power consumption? i have the budget to upgrade to 6800 but sadly not enough for psu upgrade as well
@@tomthomas3499 you can see from some reviews that 6800xt consumes around 200-250 watts in most games. That makes the room quite hot since my roommate has one of these and his room is much hotter when he's gaming than mine. For reference I have 3060 12 gig
For me it hardly hits over 200 watts in usage, especially after undervolting it a little. The fact that it consumes much less than the xt version, but can keep up in performance for the most part makes it super underrated in my opinion
As a daily Intel Arc A750 user... the way Intel still shows how much they are working hard on improving those cards just makes me happy
and it is really nice to see a proper Tech TH-camr actually acknowledging that as well
Kudos to you and your Team at GN studio, Steve :)
As someone who got burned on an Intel i740 I'm not coming back until they've fixed the problems and stuck with it for at least 3 generations.
The $2000 price on the 4090 is just to get us used to it before the 5090 :)
shit where were u when scalpers were selling 20 series for 2k and 30 series for almost 5k. The 30 series took so long to drop in price that 40 series mimics the same price and does it better.
@@b4rs629 Scalper prices, yes. This is official pricing
@@b4rs629 that was a crypto mining problem , with the 40 series its Nvidia themselves taking the piss ,and are too , I have loyalty or shilling for either gpu naker
Somewhat sad to see that you forgot the 6700 10GB yet again. Such a good priced entry-mid tier competitor for 1080-1440p still today.
I'm pretty damned happy with my 5800X3D/6800XT combo. Swapped in 2x16GB DDR4 and I'll be quite content for a couple of years.
The best part: using my old 5600, RAM, a spare PSU I had, and getting a screaming deal on a case, mobo & monitor means I had the $415CAD for a price-beat 6750XT to build a decent 1080p gaming rig for my nephew for Xmas. He's the only other gamer in the family, and it's something he and I have in common.
Kinda bummed there's no love for the 3080 but maybe because they aren't made anymore(?). It would definitely win the ~400ish category (US).
I miss the days where the $100-$150 price point was a sweet spot. 9600 GT was one of the best values I think I've ever purchased. $120.
Edit: Fixed spelling mistake.
I miss the days when a 500 dollar graphics card was considered fucking bonkers expensive. I remember buying TWO watercooled eVGA GTX480 FTWs for under 1100 CAD.
@@Earendur08 I think I got a pair of 7800 GT's for about $700. Although I bought them at separate times as I was excited about the prospect of SLI.
@@danielcobia7818 SLI seemed so promising. On one hand, it's a bit of a shame that it's not viable anymore. On the other hand, who wants to get extorted two times instead of one time? Not me.
@@Earendur08 If it wasn't for the frame inconsistency issues it would have been awesome. There was the potential to pay less or just a bit more than the top end GPU and get way better performance. And you could spread it across some time rather than having to drop it all in one lump sum. As it worked it wasn't worth it as the frame stuttering was something of an awful mess even though the "average" FPS were way higher.
I noticed the issue one time at a LAN party where another guy had an AMD card and was saying he was jealous of my setup. I was watching his screen and it was felt way smoother than my pair of 7800 GT's on the same game. (Dawn of War) Even though my frame rate was higher. That's when I started to question whether SLI was worth it.
Then I got my 9600 GT that blew that setup out of the water.
@danielcobia7818 agreed. I went from two gtx480s to a gtx970 and the jump in performance was big but the biggest change was how much wattage my system drew. Those 480s were probably one of Nvidia's least efficient cards.
This did get me wondering just how much performance I am giving up with my 4090 by still using a Ryzen 7 1700.
A ton, for sure. Did you watch the Ryzen 2700 video a few days ago?
5800X3D would be a massive boost in perfomance if you don't want to change platforms. Bios update and you're good to go.
That is a catastrophic bottleneck even if you game at higher resolutions. A 5800X3D or 5900X/5950X depending on your needs would be massive upgrades and all those would need is a bios update.
@@jessiethedude Yes I did. It is a crazy difference.
@@Gravstein I will be changing to AM5 in future. I was thinking of upgrading when Zen 5x3D releases.
Was the ARC A770 intentionally left out and I missed the reason why? I think you can still get one at Newegg for around $259 at the time of my writing this. One of the perks of the A770 is that it's equipped with 16GB of memory while many of the cards in the $200-$300 category only have 8GB. 8GB seems to be the bare minimum these days if you want to avoid problems with textures in most newer titles.
A more helpful grouping should be in resolutions rather than some arbitrary price range. What are best for 1080p, 1440p, 4k etc.
Thanks for your very thorough and detailed content GN, it's really a beacon of light in a sea of marketing b\s! I managed to snag an EVGA 3060ti FTW3 at the height of the pandemic for a "decent" 700$ CAD (new). Glad to see it's still relevant and decently performing even today. Hopefully Intel can shake things up in the GPU market, AMD and Greedvidia need a slap in the face to come back down to earth.
Bought 4090 for 1350$ on sale at the end of summer, best value for this and next year. Using it heavily on workloads and some gaming at 1440p
How did that happen?! Nice find. Was that a new card? Used?
Still way too expensive tbh.
But if you need it for work, I guess it's an investment.
@@GamersNexus New card, Palit Gamerock non-OC version, not the best 4090 but still great. Was on sale in Russia on our online retail Ozon.
Isn't that above msrp? I know the 4090 has sold for higher than msrp since release, but anything higher than msrp, even by 1 dollar, is overpriced. But I could be wrong on the msrp entirely :P
@@JTheraos1600 msrp, so 1350 is an incredibly good find for a 4090
The 7800XT really is a better deal than you guys make it out to be. You can only find the 6800XT for $20 less rn and driver updates have already put the 7800XT ahead in FPS.
Unfortunately, the 7800XT performs worse than the 6800XT. They improved the per "core" performance between generations, then shipped it with less cores than the previous gen...
Just picked up a 4070 for the kids gaming computer for $515. Thanks for the video, great as always!
Thanks for the detailed timestamps on every video! Looking forward to watching more GN content in 2024.
This was very good for me. While I have a Sapphire Toxic 6900XT. I am considering something for my HTPC which has a Vega 64 with a AIO on it for cooling. I am considering a 6750XT but nothing of the current crop excites me. If I had to buy a replacement gpu it would be the 7900XTX. But I may wait and see what RDNA 4 brings to the table and at what price. It all works for the games I play and the video transcoding I do on the HTPC.
Bought a Sapphire Nitro+ 7900 XTX to replace my Vega 64... make sure you measure carefully, it didn't fit in my FT02 and clears the fans in my D-Frame by ~0.5mm.
Why not an arc card?
@canaconn2388 the arcs don't really offer anything in his price class that's competitive
@@wereigcool6618 that's true, my bad
Edit: actually, if it's a HTPC, why would you need a super powerful card that's way overpriced
I'm glad I picked up my 4090 at launch. It was on my bucket list to have top-of-the-line GPU at least once, so I spent that year's bonus on it. It's nice that over a year later it's still at the top of the pack and not by a small margin, and it even appreciated in value? I feel like I scored well on that one, even if it's so freakishly expensive.
No 90 cards were ever beaten in a year, it's just normal
Holy cow. I've been holding off buying a 4090 (I'm probably going to pull the trigger in January AFTER the refresh) but the card I've been tracking went from 1699 to 2799. What in the world is up with the GPU market?
As mentioned, China embargo of the 4090. The GPU "market", _other than the 4090_ , is in a typical downward trend.
What are your pc specs?
Seeing prices now, I am so happy I pulled the trigger back at the start of the year considering. Like wow, what the heck happened ha.
@@DaddyHensei me too I bought my 4090 a few months ago and gaming has been insane.
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Is the RTX 4070 Super a good pick on a budget where I can just barely justify spending $600 on a card?
The PC I have now has a GTX970 in it so I know I'll be wowed no matter what I get from a modern gen, but can I reasonably expect a 4070 S to last as long before being "too old" as the GTX970 did?
Bro 10/10 commentary, seriously I laugh my ass off every time 😂
I hate to suggest changing up your entire formula for presenting GPUs for the year... but:
How would you guys feel about making a list of best GPUs for a given resolution, and then organizing them by price? Does that make sense?
It might. We could try something like that. I'll think about it and make a mock sheet to try it.
@@GamersNexusit would be a sweet way of representing them for sure