just got a 6700 xt and it's a massive improvement over my rx 480 4g with the 480 rust was running at 19 fps at 720p low with the 6700xt it runs at 100+fps 1080p max
It's about the same as a 6700 so yeah. I don't understand why the day 1 reviews were so negative towards it. It's a better value than almost anything else on the market right now. I mean GN attacked it because AMD LOWERED THE PRICE on it. What a STUPID ASS review THAT was. I pretty much stopped watching GN after that because he's just too negative and sarcastic. And then you keep running into the stream of comments that suggest a company can release a new product at their last gen pricing REGARDLESS of how much inflation is making their costs go up and IGNORING that AMD dropped the MSRP from $330 for the 6600 to $270 for the 7600 and only wanted to focus on the HIGHLY discounted pricing of the 6600 NOW, which isn't making AMD any profit and isn't sustainable long term.
I've gone the piecemeal upgrade path. Started with a b450 and a 3600 with a 1080ti. I upgraded to a 5800x3d two months ago. I updated my bios and almost doubled my performance in the most demanding game I play. I just got a 7800xt two weeks ago and today my new 1440p monitor arrived. It's a whole new world. Not that it was bad before. It's just better now.
On the topic of VRAM consumption I think Nvidia is pushing publishers to have devs make intentionally oversized texture files. I say this because modders will create higher quality textures which work with less VRAM. Starfield HD Reworked Project is a recent example of this, a mod which is only 600MB, yes that's six hundred megabytes. The mod requires only 6GB of VRAM to keep from losing frames.
@@Mr.Morden but surely they are scoring an own goal here, as both Intel and AMD offer more VRAM at cheaper SKUs. Nvidia pushing for higher VRAM usage is accelerating the obsolescence of their SKUs, especially the pricey ones with 8GB?
Got the kid a 4 weeks used 7600 pulse for £200. Big upgrade from her 580 gb nitro and solved ALL her crashing in starfield issues. Until AMD's last 23.9.2 😂
i've been running pulse 7600 for 2 months now in both Fedora (main use) and Windows (photo editing).. it's been smooth and the MESA driver updates is making change from nvidia a no brainer.
I'd love to see a linux support rounndup for this line of graphics cards. I know support is basically here but it'd be good to see it in real world terms too.
So I'm using an XFX RX 7600 with Arch, and the out of the box every day driving with the card is very, very good. Even the 10 bit color X11 works very good (but Steam does not work!) Where it can get confusing is with OpenCL, and HIP, and all the computing with GPU assortment. Mostly because there are a lot of choices. With Nvidia , it was much more clear cut, install CUDA, and you were done. Right now, I have OpenCL working for darktable, and HIP for blender. I need to do more testing with OBS and Davinci Resolve, but these seem good too. Wendell has reported issues with VFIO passthrough which I don't do so nothing to report there until we hear from him. Bottom line - I'd like to see roundup reporting for linux too.
@@glenjo0thanks for the info. For my own sanity I prefer to run Debian Stable over Arch -- since it's less bleeding-edge do you think I'd have more trouble with getting an AMD card to work than you did? Currently I have a Windows 10 partition for games (and Affinity Publisher), but I'd _love_ to be able to get rid of it.
Strange review if you don't show any results or comparisons of the Steel Legend card but only results of the RX 7600 reference! I loved that you show results of old vs new drivers!
They do list a RX7700 XT Steel Legend but I do not see a video review of it, so I wonder if they misspelled it or if they used the graphs for an upcoming video.
These videos I'm really loving. Please do more of them. Your perspective is very unique and I find that there's things you go into that plenty of other reviewers usually gloss over. The pacing of the video is also very refreshing, this calm, balanced energy of yours.
Ah yes, 0:52, the warranty void if removed sticker that made them refuse any warranty claim after you've try to replace the thermal pad, even if it's illegal to do so. I've leaned to love Asrock with your video, but given my bad experience with support on my Taichi x570 Razer, and the recent warranty debacle... i don't trust them anymore.
It’s got me wondering if anyone trustworthy is even left! At least there’s some competition for Radeon cards, chassis, etc. Picking a motherboard has always been finding the lesser of all evils
Nice video Wendell. I got a 6700 about 2 months for the extra vram. Then AMD announced FSR 3 for 7000 series. Wondering if I should try to return for future features of 7000 series.
I love the Asrock Steel Legend series. I am running a Steel Legend Z690 mobo and hope to get a Steel Legend RX 7700xt very soon. The Taichi series is even better, but significantly more expensive than the Steel Legend series. Asrock has solidly replaced Asus as my preferred brand for motherboards and GPUs.
Yup ASRock is now my "goto" brand. And yeah the Taichi stuff is awesome. I have a 6800XT Taichi that seems to stack between the 6900XT and the 6950XT. Hard to say for sure becuase im going off of other people benchmarks compared to mine. But, my 6800Xt Taichi is way better than it should be. I don't think that can be expected of all Taichi products though.
I'm DIYing PCs for more than 30 years now, and I'm amazed by how far Asrock has come! There were times when I wouldn't touch their stuff if it was free and I had a rad-suit on. By now, they've become my go-to and most recommended brand. A perfect example what solid engineering and rigorous QC can accomplish.
@@danieloberhofer9035 yes! I remember when they were a startup cheapo brand. I took a chance on an Asrock mobo back in '09 for a Phenom II system I built and have been a fan ever since. I like seeing them rise to be one of the best brands in modern times.
I have 7800 xt nitro in one and 6700XT nitro in my other PC .... AMD is affordable good looking fast more memory use amd for many years no problems at all. And the drivers are great. Too many people keep hanging in the past..now looking for a GPU for my 3rd pc a custom watercooled older board PC wit a 11900K and this card looks great for that.
Friend picked up a 6750XT for $180. This 7600 is a tough sell. Especially with 5700XT available starting at $97 on sale from China. (5700XT is roughly 20% slower, 6750XT 20% faster). By that metric the 7600 should probably be a $200 card. Also it makes no sense for anyone to release a low end budget card into a market saturated with cut price mining cards. The people unloading the mining cards have no problem slashing prices, they are just trying to avoid getting scrap prices.
I'm one of those people you mentioned who's still on 8th-gen Intel, and the RX 7600 makes a lot of sense. Especially since here in Australia it's available at MSRP after currency conversion. For contrast, the cheapest 7800 XT here is $879 AUD, or $560 USD. The only problem is that I just found out my motherboard's GPU slot only runs at PCIe gen 2 speeds when there's an M.2 NVMe drive installed. Since the 7600 only has 8 PCIe lanes, that's a pretty big bottleneck. I guess I'll keep gaming on my GTX 1650 until I can afford a new system from scratch. Hopefully the 7800 XT (or a better card!) will be available at a more reasonable price by then.
So despite my first computer being an Apple ][ , having MCSE 2003, and being subscribed to LTT for years - I haven't heard about you prior to the recent KVM video. My request would be to design a thunderbolt / USB4 enclosure that doesn't suck. Something that can make the most out of 40gbps to support 2x 16 lane slots. So if I'm running two Gen1 cards, they can use all their lanes. Even if a current generation card could reach maximum bandwidth on 8 lanes or less. I'd build the enclosure, x16, x4, x16, x4 with the idea being you could mount 2x and 3x cards, or a 2x size card (not using x4 slot), followed by a 2x or 3x card in the bottom slot (again not using the x4 slot). Alternatively, you could run up to 4 cards of size 1x, 1x, 1x, and 3x. You mentioned in the LTT video that some docks require 2x USB-C. So maybe that's a thing. Or Thunderbolt 4 / USB5. All I know is that I miss the flexibility of a desktop, but I can't justify building one when a GPD Win Max 2 can do 99.99% of what I need (with 32gb ram and 6TB SSD).
8GB is easily enough for 1080p gaming as long as the GPU is fast enough. In almost all games 8GB is never the bottleneck and for the two or three were it was, just a wild guess but AMD and Nvidia BOTH approached those companies telling them that most the world is buying GPUs with no more than 8GB of VRAM so they better figure out how to fix their settings to make them work well for 8GB. Nvidia put out both an 8 and 16GB 4060 Ti and the 16GB variant got destroyed in reviews because the extra memory didn't give any benefit, except for once again in a game or two. So here it is, this is what GPU makers want to do, and this is what people, REGARDLESS of the comments sections on YT videos say, is what most the world wants to BUY, and it's really that BUYING part that matters to Nvidia and AMD, not the comments sections in YT: 1080p = 8GB 2K = 12 - 16GB 4K = 16 - 20GB
I'm about to jump ship to AMD from my 3060 TI because Nvidia's Linux drivers are still a steaming hot pile of 💩 I'm not even talking about gaming, but simple browser rendering speed and skipping.
Got a 3060-12gb because of the 8gb-fomo so to speak. But about RT: I was very happy to enable it on Ratchet & Clank and experience was great. But honestly, that was the first game that RT offered enough to want it and still be playable on midrange GPUs. So not a reason to pick a card over the other. But I was happy to use it. But the 7(6)00 driver improvements are impressive. Separates itself from the 6650XT that way.
I just got a 7600 off amazon because my RTX 3060 TI wouldn't display the bios, or really anything until Windows booted. I think it's nvidia cards in general because even a brand new RTX 3060 had the issue, and I built my first rig with overclocking in mind. Anyways, the 7600 works wonders on my system!
sad to see ASRock not continuing the Challenger ITX series so far. In general there is a severe lack of AMD cards in this form factor. Actually nonexistant at this point
6:30, this brings up a question I've had for awhile. Why don't we see more people testing Raytracing at lower resolutions? According to Steam, 1080p is still the most popular resolution by a vast margin. Shouldn't the 4090 hitting 60 in raytracing at 4k mean that we should possibly have 60 with a lower end card at 1080? (Also I'm trying to take in as much copium as possible to avoid a desire to upgrade from 1080p120 as my main monitor)
Not sure I understand your Raytracing point. I have been enjoying the heck out of Raytracing on my RTX 4070 on DLSS Quality @1440p since I bought it at launch. Claiming it's still not a worthwhile experience unless you game on a $1k card is in my opinion factually wrong.
Please help me, last summer with your help I chose the AsRock B760M-Steel Legend motherboard(LGA1700), now I have the 2070super GPU and I'm thinking of upgrading and of course the two budget ones from AsRock Steel Legend caught my attention. ....Rx6650XT and RX7600, if you had to choose only between these ..which one would you choose?
8gb is more than enough. more than likely people buying 8gb gpu's are playing 1080p, and you generally wont use more than 6gb of memory at 1080p anyway. hell, even at 3440x1440 maxed out settings in most games, I dont see over 8gb usage. sure it will allocate the full 24gb i have, but it never actually uses that much. and i think people forget USED and ALLOCATED are two different things.... just saying.
I agree about 8gb cards and 1080, but I regularly get usage of 12gb in a few games on my 6900xt. may depend on settings though, I don't care about fps so every setting is usually maxed out. (edit: at 3440x1440)
@@Born_Stellar 1920x1080 vs 3440x1440 are two diff beasts. I think the only games i seen that high were next gen titles like starfield. But i dont count those for budget players Because they could easily turn down textures to reduce's memory
Wow, that's crazy-rare. AMD doesn't even *list* a 1750X; only the 1700, 1700X and 1950X are close to that combination of numbers. Hold onto that. It might be worth money some day.
Fiancée went with a 6650XT instead of the 7600. It seemed to give comparable performance for slightly less Watts. Major (2X!) speed upgrade from her old RX580.
I'm happy for you that you're happy with the performance. Although I'm not sure where you're getting the data from, regarding power. 7600 is definatily more power effeciant than 6650xt.
Hi Wendel, i appreciate your enthusiasm for AMD stuff, i prefer their GPUs myself over geforce cards these days (although the DLSS stuff is really making me doubt my choices), but i think claiming a 7600 can do 100fps at 1440p in modern titles is a bit dishonest. There is no way it will run cyberpunk at those settings without going into FSR, and not mentioning that doesnt feel honest to me. I get the "i just want to play a game, and this card does that" mindset, but overpromising on behalf of the 7600 is only going to make people disappointed with their purchase once they find out they need to drop to FSR balanced and accept quite a lot of quality degradation. (Also, if we are talking PSU safe gift recommendations, id go for the 6600, yes, its 20% slower, but also sucks down 50 less watts, and is a good bit cheaper, while still a massive upgrade from a 1060/580)
If Intel can really crank up the performance per dollar then I may consider swapping. Like if I can get a $300 intel GPU that performs like a solid modern mid range say 4070 ti then I would update it an instant.
@mmadevgame I can at least dream! But GPU prices have gotten insane. Like $300 is the most I would ever want to pay for a GPU that is mid range at the moment. Sadly, entry level is barely sub $300 now. I mean an Xbox with game pass is now a way better value for 90% of gaming choices.
I'm less annoyed by the size of the card and even the 8GB VRAM, than the x8 interface. There is no reason for this except to gimp the performance at this price tier; I find it hard to believe the extra traces cost enough to warrant it. I would REALLY love to see actual benchmarks to show that it doesn't matter, but we can't get them, which is frustrating. But the lack of small form factor cards is all on the AIBs. A card no bigger than the PCB has to be, even with a dual slot cooler would be wonderful. Don't get me started about half height cards, which is totally possible, but nobody's doing it with any AMD cards worth buying.
You can find benchmarks of the 7700XT running in x8 mode. Spoiler: (It doesn't affect performance.) And, it's not the cost of the traces. The whole GPU core was designed with fewer, faster lanes.
The lanes come down to the Die space. They are balancing compute/shading performance and needed bandwidth. Its PCIe 4.0, so you are still getting x16 PCIe 3.0 worth of bandwidth depending on your platform (and lets be real, it would be hard to have enough CPU to make the link a problem on those older platforms and you would probably be in a x16 link class of card with the rest of the system being so beefy)
@@tim3172 I've seen those tests and they're of limited use - hobbling a full fat chip versus a different die hobbled (cut down) by design. I guess the annoyance is that at this price tier it used to be you'd get the full sixteen lanes. The x8 chips were much lower in the product stack than they are now, so it just rankles that this is the new norm.
@@milescarter7803 I get that. It's more frustration at them moving the price point where they used to do this up so far in the stack. It means it doesn't offer as much of an uplift from some older cards at this price point as it could were it not cut down in this way.
we know shady practices have happened before, there is always a praise moment that resets the perception for the masses. although i have no weight, i agree wither the product review, but cant help to wish i knew the real decisions behind the scenes.
But Wendle the newest Ultra ray-tracing/path-tracing on RTX4090 gets 19fps vs AMDs 7900XTX @ 5fps how can you recommend AMD when NVIDIA gets 300% more performance ... how can you say ray-tracing isn't a thing?....
The amd software simping is odd. Gushes over what is essentially a GeForce experience equivalent. Claims drivers are at parity. Bruh, in AMD’s own paid for sponsored flagship game, their own cards didn’t render the sun. This is despite it being rumored that nvidia took resources away from their game driver team. We’ll see if Nvidia maintains the lead goin forward given their AI and enterprise focus but thinking AMD has parity drivers is laughable. Nvidia has a clear advantage when it comes to how easy their control panel is to use and driver quality. If you want added features, well GFE did it first. DLSS was there first. Gsync was there first. They make you pay for it but who in their right mind thinks amd has comparable drivers? I’m all for competition and it’s amazing how accessible fsr and freesync is but blatantly trying to deceive users is not cool. AMD drivers have a fancy coat of paint. That’s the one thing they do better is it looks more modern.
As an AMD owner and someone who really wants them to succeed, I think your raytracing point isn't true, RT is a thing even on nVidia's midrange cards, at least from the 4070 up I'd propably use it in most if not all games - DLSS makes it possible and just looks far better than FSR, Frame Gen is a thing that works pretty well and tbh, Ray Reconstruction looks like a killer feature. I'm in a nVidia boycott mode currently, I hate where they are going with pricing and stingy VRAM, I prefer AMD's software and all that, but currently my future outlook is pretty bleak, NV is so far ahead in features it's no fun and no competition anymore, we're running straight ahead into a monopoly situation and most people love it. I still think AMD has the best deals in the lower range and would probably buy this 7600 over anything from nVidia, but it's getting harder and harder to stick to your principles when you see how far ahead even just DLSS is.
Got an RX7600 on the way for the second iteration of my transportable rig. Should be a huge step up from the RX580, and enough for 1080p60.
just got a 6700 xt and it's a massive improvement over my rx 480 4g
with the 480 rust was running at 19 fps at 720p low
with the 6700xt it runs at 100+fps 1080p max
It's about the same as a 6700 so yeah. I don't understand why the day 1 reviews were so negative towards it. It's a better value than almost anything else on the market right now.
I mean GN attacked it because AMD LOWERED THE PRICE on it. What a STUPID ASS review THAT was. I pretty much stopped watching GN after that because he's just too negative and sarcastic.
And then you keep running into the stream of comments that suggest a company can release a new product at their last gen pricing REGARDLESS of how much inflation is making their costs go up and IGNORING that AMD dropped the MSRP from $330 for the 6600 to $270 for the 7600 and only wanted to focus on the HIGHLY discounted pricing of the 6600 NOW, which isn't making AMD any profit and isn't sustainable long term.
I've gone the piecemeal upgrade path. Started with a b450 and a 3600 with a 1080ti. I upgraded to a 5800x3d two months ago. I updated my bios and almost doubled my performance in the most demanding game I play. I just got a 7800xt two weeks ago and today my new 1440p monitor arrived. It's a whole new world. Not that it was bad before. It's just better now.
On the topic of VRAM consumption I think Nvidia is pushing publishers to have devs make intentionally oversized texture files. I say this because modders will create higher quality textures which work with less VRAM. Starfield HD Reworked Project is a recent example of this, a mod which is only 600MB, yes that's six hundred megabytes. The mod requires only 6GB of VRAM to keep from losing frames.
how does that work out? Aren't the oversized texture files costing more RAM space?
@@todorkolev7565 Yea, Nvidia's upselling game in action I suppose.
@@Mr.Morden but surely they are scoring an own goal here, as both Intel and AMD offer more VRAM at cheaper SKUs. Nvidia pushing for higher VRAM usage is accelerating the obsolescence of their SKUs, especially the pricey ones with 8GB?
@todorkolev7565 they still have 80% market share, so people upgrade again to another nvidia part because they ran out of vram
isn't starfield an AMD sponsored title?
Got the kid a 4 weeks used 7600 pulse for £200.
Big upgrade from her 580 gb nitro and solved ALL her crashing in starfield issues.
Until AMD's last 23.9.2 😂
i've been running pulse 7600 for 2 months now in both Fedora (main use) and Windows (photo editing).. it's been smooth and the MESA driver updates is making change from nvidia a no brainer.
I'd love to see a linux support rounndup for this line of graphics cards. I know support is basically here but it'd be good to see it in real world terms too.
So I'm using an XFX RX 7600 with Arch, and the out of the box every day driving with the card is very, very good. Even the 10 bit color X11 works very good (but Steam does not work!) Where it can get confusing is with OpenCL, and HIP, and all the computing with GPU assortment. Mostly because there are a lot of choices. With Nvidia , it was much more clear cut, install CUDA, and you were done. Right now, I have OpenCL working for darktable, and HIP for blender. I need to do more testing with OBS and Davinci Resolve, but these seem good too. Wendell has reported issues with VFIO passthrough which I don't do so nothing to report there until we hear from him.
Bottom line - I'd like to see roundup reporting for linux too.
@@glenjo0thanks for the info. For my own sanity I prefer to run Debian Stable over Arch -- since it's less bleeding-edge do you think I'd have more trouble with getting an AMD card to work than you did?
Currently I have a Windows 10 partition for games (and Affinity Publisher), but I'd _love_ to be able to get rid of it.
Strange review if you don't show any results or comparisons of the Steel Legend card but only results of the RX 7600 reference!
I loved that you show results of old vs new drivers!
Are you referring to the comparison at 11:06? I am wondering why the 7600 Steel Legend is not there.
They do list a RX7700 XT Steel Legend but I do not see a video review of it, so I wonder if they misspelled it or if they used the graphs for an upcoming video.
These videos I'm really loving. Please do more of them. Your perspective is very unique and I find that there's things you go into that plenty of other reviewers usually gloss over. The pacing of the video is also very refreshing, this calm, balanced energy of yours.
ah Wendell I was hoping you'd go over the steel legend cards!
Thanks weddl. Smart video!
Ah yes, 0:52, the warranty void if removed sticker that made them refuse any warranty claim after you've try to replace the thermal pad, even if it's illegal to do so.
I've leaned to love Asrock with your video, but given my bad experience with support on my Taichi x570 Razer, and the recent warranty debacle... i don't trust them anymore.
It’s got me wondering if anyone trustworthy is even left! At least there’s some competition for Radeon cards, chassis, etc. Picking a motherboard has always been finding the lesser of all evils
Oh, is this the GPU that louis rossman talked about?
@@BBWahoo no, this one is new, the company and the practice is the same. the sticker is still there
@@swampmullet me to... asus, msi, asrock, nzxt are out for me, i don't remember about gigabyte. still zotac and evga to try
most brands have bad rep on warranty claims
I got this card for a friend of mine and it's been great for him
I adore the look of this card but I would rather go for A770 or 6700XT for this money
WENDELL, I LOVE YOU MAN!
I would really like to know how this card performs on Linux. My use case is OBS Studio, but it's a very interesting choice considering its price.
Nice video Wendell. I got a 6700 about 2 months for the extra vram. Then AMD announced FSR 3 for 7000 series. Wondering if I should try to return for future features of 7000 series.
I love the Asrock Steel Legend series. I am running a Steel Legend Z690 mobo and hope to get a Steel Legend RX 7700xt very soon.
The Taichi series is even better, but significantly more expensive than the Steel Legend series.
Asrock has solidly replaced Asus as my preferred brand for motherboards and GPUs.
Yup ASRock is now my "goto" brand. And yeah the Taichi stuff is awesome. I have a 6800XT Taichi that seems to stack between the 6900XT and the 6950XT. Hard to say for sure becuase im going off of other people benchmarks compared to mine. But, my 6800Xt Taichi is way better than it should be. I don't think that can be expected of all Taichi products though.
I'm DIYing PCs for more than 30 years now, and I'm amazed by how far Asrock has come! There were times when I wouldn't touch their stuff if it was free and I had a rad-suit on. By now, they've become my go-to and most recommended brand. A perfect example what solid engineering and rigorous QC can accomplish.
@@danieloberhofer9035 yes! I remember when they were a startup cheapo brand. I took a chance on an Asrock mobo back in '09 for a Phenom II system I built and have been a fan ever since. I like seeing them rise to be one of the best brands in modern times.
My Gen 1 Ryzen board was listed to handle PCI Gen 4, but they disabled it in an early firmware update.
I chose to not update when that one showed up
I have 7800 xt nitro in one and 6700XT nitro in my other PC .... AMD is affordable good looking fast more memory use amd for many years no problems at all. And the drivers are great. Too many people keep hanging in the past..now looking for a GPU for my 3rd pc a custom watercooled older board PC wit a 11900K and this card looks great for that.
Friend picked up a 6750XT for $180. This 7600 is a tough sell. Especially with 5700XT available starting at $97 on sale from China. (5700XT is roughly 20% slower, 6750XT 20% faster).
By that metric the 7600 should probably be a $200 card. Also it makes no sense for anyone to release a low end budget card into a market saturated with cut price mining cards. The people unloading the mining cards have no problem slashing prices, they are just trying to avoid getting scrap prices.
I'm one of those people you mentioned who's still on 8th-gen Intel, and the RX 7600 makes a lot of sense. Especially since here in Australia it's available at MSRP after currency conversion. For contrast, the cheapest 7800 XT here is $879 AUD, or $560 USD.
The only problem is that I just found out my motherboard's GPU slot only runs at PCIe gen 2 speeds when there's an M.2 NVMe drive installed. Since the 7600 only has 8 PCIe lanes, that's a pretty big bottleneck.
I guess I'll keep gaming on my GTX 1650 until I can afford a new system from scratch. Hopefully the 7800 XT (or a better card!) will be available at a more reasonable price by then.
So despite my first computer being an Apple ][ , having MCSE 2003, and being subscribed to LTT for years - I haven't heard about you prior to the recent KVM video.
My request would be to design a thunderbolt / USB4 enclosure that doesn't suck. Something that can make the most out of 40gbps to support 2x 16 lane slots. So if I'm running two Gen1 cards, they can use all their lanes. Even if a current generation card could reach maximum bandwidth on 8 lanes or less.
I'd build the enclosure, x16, x4, x16, x4 with the idea being you could mount 2x and 3x cards, or a 2x size card (not using x4 slot), followed by a 2x or 3x card in the bottom slot (again not using the x4 slot).
Alternatively, you could run up to 4 cards of size 1x, 1x, 1x, and 3x.
You mentioned in the LTT video that some docks require 2x USB-C. So maybe that's a thing. Or Thunderbolt 4 / USB5.
All I know is that I miss the flexibility of a desktop, but I can't justify building one when a GPD Win Max 2 can do 99.99% of what I need (with 32gb ram and 6TB SSD).
8GB is easily enough for 1080p gaming as long as the GPU is fast enough. In almost all games 8GB is never the bottleneck and for the two or three were it was, just a wild guess but AMD and Nvidia BOTH approached those companies telling them that most the world is buying GPUs with no more than 8GB of VRAM so they better figure out how to fix their settings to make them work well for 8GB.
Nvidia put out both an 8 and 16GB 4060 Ti and the 16GB variant got destroyed in reviews because the extra memory didn't give any benefit, except for once again in a game or two.
So here it is, this is what GPU makers want to do, and this is what people, REGARDLESS of the comments sections on YT videos say, is what most the world wants to BUY, and it's really that BUYING part that matters to Nvidia and AMD, not the comments sections in YT:
1080p = 8GB
2K = 12 - 16GB
4K = 16 - 20GB
ASRock needs to make one that fits in the DeskMeet!
I'm about to jump ship to AMD from my 3060 TI because Nvidia's Linux drivers are still a steaming hot pile of 💩 I'm not even talking about gaming, but simple browser rendering speed and skipping.
Newegg has it listed for 250$, not a bad deal at all.
Got a 3060-12gb because of the 8gb-fomo so to speak. But about RT: I was very happy to enable it on Ratchet & Clank and experience was great. But honestly, that was the first game that RT offered enough to want it and still be playable on midrange GPUs. So not a reason to pick a card over the other. But I was happy to use it. But the 7(6)00 driver improvements are impressive. Separates itself from the 6650XT that way.
I just got a 7600 off amazon because my RTX 3060 TI wouldn't display the bios, or really anything until Windows booted. I think it's nvidia cards in general because even a brand new RTX 3060 had the issue, and I built my first rig with overclocking in mind. Anyways, the 7600 works wonders on my system!
Great card, even better if you match with the steel legend motherboards, all white :)
sad to see ASRock not continuing the Challenger ITX series so far. In general there is a severe lack of AMD cards in this form factor. Actually nonexistant at this point
Good review, still waiting for more Intel models but against nvidia for the price, yeah AMD ATI still have it I guess.
I didn't even know asrock made gpus lol
That card would match my x570 asrock steel legend motherboard perfectly:)
2:52 -GPU, -Video Card. Is this Jensen Huang reference ?
Why isn't the AsRock RX 7600 Steel Legend listed in the graphs at 11:06? Or is it the 2nd listed but misspelled?
6:30, this brings up a question I've had for awhile. Why don't we see more people testing Raytracing at lower resolutions?
According to Steam, 1080p is still the most popular resolution by a vast margin.
Shouldn't the 4090 hitting 60 in raytracing at 4k mean that we should possibly have 60 with a lower end card at 1080?
(Also I'm trying to take in as much copium as possible to avoid a desire to upgrade from 1080p120 as my main monitor)
Or just go 4K120. It's not even that expensive these days. OLED if you've got the money or don't mind the size of an LG TV.
Can use Raytracing on 4070 and 4070 Ti as well very well. There were great improvements in the 4000 series cards as a whole for Raytracing.
Not sure I understand your Raytracing point. I have been enjoying the heck out of Raytracing on my RTX 4070 on DLSS Quality @1440p since I bought it at launch. Claiming it's still not a worthwhile experience unless you game on a $1k card is in my opinion factually wrong.
Is it just me, or is Wendell's head really blurry on the left camera shots??
There's only 1 DP 2.1 there.
Please help me, last summer with your help I chose the AsRock B760M-Steel Legend motherboard(LGA1700), now I have the 2070super GPU and I'm thinking of upgrading and of course the two budget ones from AsRock Steel Legend caught my attention. ....Rx6650XT and RX7600, if you had to choose only between these ..which one would you choose?
haha when you named off older intel systems and my gen wasnt even listed ohh I need to sell of one of my trucks to build a new PC
Was this sponsored? Didn't seem scripted by a pr department but the constant large ASRock and AMD logo makes it seem so.🤔
8gb is more than enough. more than likely people buying 8gb gpu's are playing 1080p, and you generally wont use more than 6gb of memory at 1080p anyway. hell, even at 3440x1440 maxed out settings in most games, I dont see over 8gb usage. sure it will allocate the full 24gb i have, but it never actually uses that much. and i think people forget USED and ALLOCATED are two different things.... just saying.
I agree about 8gb cards and 1080, but I regularly get usage of 12gb in a few games on my 6900xt. may depend on settings though, I don't care about fps so every setting is usually maxed out. (edit: at 3440x1440)
@@Born_Stellar 1920x1080 vs 3440x1440 are two diff beasts. I think the only games i seen that high were next gen titles like starfield. But i dont count those for budget players Because they could easily turn down textures to reduce's memory
2:24 but the long answer is nnnnooooooooooo.
It uses too much energy for what it is.
Still on my GTX 1080 w/ Gen 1 Ryzen 1750X
One of my GPU fans has given up (just a bearing)
Wow, that's crazy-rare.
AMD doesn't even *list* a 1750X; only the 1700, 1700X and 1950X are close to that combination of numbers.
Hold onto that. It might be worth money some day.
double checked, yup 1700X AX370 K7 board @@tim3172
Fiancée went with a 6650XT instead of the 7600. It seemed to give comparable performance for slightly less Watts.
Major (2X!) speed upgrade from her old RX580.
I'm happy for you that you're happy with the performance. Although I'm not sure where you're getting the data from, regarding power.
7600 is definatily more power effeciant than 6650xt.
I did a "60fps" (FG, from 30) play of cyberpunk *path traced*. On a *4060*. Latency was "fine". Very playable.
nice Asrock now make it $250 so people buy it. nobody gonna pay 270 for this or phantom gaming 😊
Hi Wendel, i appreciate your enthusiasm for AMD stuff, i prefer their GPUs myself over geforce cards these days (although the DLSS stuff is really making me doubt my choices), but i think claiming a 7600 can do 100fps at 1440p in modern titles is a bit dishonest. There is no way it will run cyberpunk at those settings without going into FSR, and not mentioning that doesnt feel honest to me.
I get the "i just want to play a game, and this card does that" mindset, but overpromising on behalf of the 7600 is only going to make people disappointed with their purchase once they find out they need to drop to FSR balanced and accept quite a lot of quality degradation.
(Also, if we are talking PSU safe gift recommendations, id go for the 6600, yes, its 20% slower, but also sucks down 50 less watts, and is a good bit cheaper, while still a massive upgrade from a 1060/580)
I need cousins who gift me GPUs like Wendell imagines cousins should be ;)
If Intel can really crank up the performance per dollar then I may consider swapping. Like if I can get a $300 intel GPU that performs like a solid modern mid range say 4070 ti then I would update it an instant.
Won't happen. Even the GPUs they sell now they have Extremely slim margins. Basically unsustainable for long term. Intel gpu prices will only go up.
@mmadevgame I can at least dream! But GPU prices have gotten insane. Like $300 is the most I would ever want to pay for a GPU that is mid range at the moment. Sadly, entry level is barely sub $300 now. I mean an Xbox with game pass is now a way better value for 90% of gaming choices.
I'm less annoyed by the size of the card and even the 8GB VRAM, than the x8 interface. There is no reason for this except to gimp the performance at this price tier; I find it hard to believe the extra traces cost enough to warrant it. I would REALLY love to see actual benchmarks to show that it doesn't matter, but we can't get them, which is frustrating.
But the lack of small form factor cards is all on the AIBs. A card no bigger than the PCB has to be, even with a dual slot cooler would be wonderful.
Don't get me started about half height cards, which is totally possible, but nobody's doing it with any AMD cards worth buying.
You can find benchmarks of the 7700XT running in x8 mode.
Spoiler: (It doesn't affect performance.)
And, it's not the cost of the traces. The whole GPU core was designed with fewer, faster lanes.
The lanes come down to the Die space. They are balancing compute/shading performance and needed bandwidth. Its PCIe 4.0, so you are still getting x16 PCIe 3.0 worth of bandwidth depending on your platform (and lets be real, it would be hard to have enough CPU to make the link a problem on those older platforms and you would probably be in a x16 link class of card with the rest of the system being so beefy)
@@tim3172 I've seen those tests and they're of limited use - hobbling a full fat chip versus a different die hobbled (cut down) by design.
I guess the annoyance is that at this price tier it used to be you'd get the full sixteen lanes. The x8 chips were much lower in the product stack than they are now, so it just rankles that this is the new norm.
@@milescarter7803 I get that. It's more frustration at them moving the price point where they used to do this up so far in the stack. It means it doesn't offer as much of an uplift from some older cards at this price point as it could were it not cut down in this way.
we know shady practices have happened before, there is always a praise moment that resets the perception for the masses. although i have no weight, i agree wither the product review, but cant help to wish i knew the real decisions behind the scenes.
2024 prediction
Intel for budget
AMD for mid-range
Nvidia for high-end
Intel! Please! Get your act together! You can bring balance to the gpu market… you are the chosen one!
But Wendle the newest Ultra ray-tracing/path-tracing on RTX4090 gets 19fps vs AMDs 7900XTX @ 5fps how can you recommend AMD when NVIDIA gets 300% more performance ... how can you say ray-tracing isn't a thing?....
The amd software simping is odd. Gushes over what is essentially a GeForce experience equivalent. Claims drivers are at parity.
Bruh, in AMD’s own paid for sponsored flagship game, their own cards didn’t render the sun. This is despite it being rumored that nvidia took resources away from their game driver team.
We’ll see if Nvidia maintains the lead goin forward given their AI and enterprise focus but thinking AMD has parity drivers is laughable. Nvidia has a clear advantage when it comes to how easy their control panel is to use and driver quality. If you want added features, well GFE did it first. DLSS was there first. Gsync was there first. They make you pay for it but who in their right mind thinks amd has comparable drivers?
I’m all for competition and it’s amazing how accessible fsr and freesync is but blatantly trying to deceive users is not cool. AMD drivers have a fancy coat of paint. That’s the one thing they do better is it looks more modern.
I do not know why, but I feel that Nvidia are light years ahead.
i would buy a amd cpu but not a gpu im happy with my 4090
As an AMD owner and someone who really wants them to succeed, I think your raytracing point isn't true, RT is a thing even on nVidia's midrange cards, at least from the 4070 up I'd propably use it in most if not all games - DLSS makes it possible and just looks far better than FSR, Frame Gen is a thing that works pretty well and tbh, Ray Reconstruction looks like a killer feature.
I'm in a nVidia boycott mode currently, I hate where they are going with pricing and stingy VRAM, I prefer AMD's software and all that, but currently my future outlook is pretty bleak, NV is so far ahead in features it's no fun and no competition anymore, we're running straight ahead into a monopoly situation and most people love it. I still think AMD has the best deals in the lower range and would probably buy this 7600 over anything from nVidia, but it's getting harder and harder to stick to your principles when you see how far ahead even just DLSS is.