yeah when watching Canada 1972 race the checked flag man was insane, he literally reminded me of a Matador. Every car you could see him spot it, then he would start shuffling out onto the track like a dance, every car he got right next to it like that was part of the job. Even if it was out in the centre of the track he was out there too with his perfect style etc
One of my biggest dreams about motorsport is the complete restoration of the oval and the full circuit, and seeing at least endurance races on it. It would be a cyclopic work and hugely expensive but what a wonder it would be...!
Fangio is one of the all time greats. In a time when cars were virtually tin bathtubs full of aviation fuel that slid around everywhere, he had masterful control over whatever he was driving - Ferraris, Mercedes, Alfas, Maseratis - he could get in and win.
@@benve2015 Not a chance. Verstappen would never win in the W14 or the SF-23. If you think I can do it I think you don't understand shit about this sport
After working SCCA races for about 10 years as a Safety Marshall in the 1980 & '90s, I know that feeling. These old races showed a totally difference era. These are some of the reasons that so many top of the line drivers of that time died so young. The pictures show Fangio in his late 40s but he started racing in Europe in his early 40s.
love this footage! Neubauer standing in the pits with a bottle of wine (for one of the drivers i assume) and the grand stands packed with perfectly dressed people, granted that track is close to milan.
Clarification: First time F1 raced on the oval. The oval section was part of the original layout from 1922 and was used for several pre-F1 era Grand Prix races during the 20s and 30s.
Yes, Avus ring in Berlin, Montlehry in France in the AIACR European Championship from 1931-1939 (F1 in all but name) Brookslands in the UK was never in the AIACR as the British GP in a counting way, but was used in period and had an oval so should count.
The original oval from 1922 was completely demolished in the late 1930s. This new oval was rebuilt in the late 1940s, and the location of the oval was just slightly different enough that the new Parabola corner had to be created, too.
Superb upscaling. Masterpiece film footage there. Miss race tracks that have that sort of extreme banking. New gen F1's chassis/suspension needs to be built stronger (meaning heavier, costlier) if these sort of race tracks would ever be given a comeback approval.
@@michaelRIM it's more or less a Formula Libre race held at the oval only. In 1957, the Americans came in with their Indy Roadsters (which proved fast, but a bit fragile for the banked oval), while the Europeans fielded whatever they deemed adequate. One entrant of note is Ecurie Ecosse, who literally entered the same Jaguar D Types they raced very successfully at Le Mans that year, and by that, I mean the D Types had just raced at Le Mans, and was sent to Monza to race again!
@@michaelRIMin 1958, the Europeans prepared cars especially for the race. Ferrari built two cars for the race, the 326 MI with a 3.2L V6 engine, and the 412 MI with a 4.0L V12. There's also an old 375 Indianapolis that was entered by NART. Maserati built the 420M/58, more well-known as the "Eldorado" after it's sponsor. Ecurie Ecosse returned, this time with the Lister Jaguar "Monzanapolis", alongside their trusty old Jaguar D Types...
@@pierluigimariani5382 Well of course he did 😉.... But it would have to be Bürgerbräu Bamberg Weissbier... I would know. Lived there in 1987 - 1989. Good times while stationed there. Bamberg is THE beer capital of the world. PROST!! 😜💫🍻🤗💕🌎
The track, the wind on driver' face, the photographer lying down to shot on the start and the team chief holding a botlle of a wine (!) is a clear sign we are all going back in evolution now regarding to what is really important in life
@@cardondelnorte104 You’re paying for the increased amount of safety with your freedom. Nobody was forced to take part in the races or to be a spectator. Only difference is these people were allowed to manage their risks for themselves.
Hearing these cars and watching them scream around the high bank turn gave me chills all over my body and tear up. WOW! Just remarkable! I don't have words....
Imagens incríveis! Que pista espetacular esse antigo traçado de Monza. As Mercedes totalmentes cobertas de carenagem e os outros carros pelados, parecia outra categoria. Fangio sensacional!
Increíbles imágenes! El impresionante peralte, la doble recta, el imponente porte de Neubauer, los hermosos Mercedes y el incomparable Juan Manuel Fangio.
Let's go racing in a T-shirt! Saw this type of open cockpit racing as a school boy at the Australian Grand prix at Albert Park in 1956 with many of the greats of the time: Moss Behra Wharton Stan Jones (Alan's dad) Peter Whitehead Otto Stone et al. Brave men all! Cheers
Driving high banks at speed when you sit a good 2 feet above the body of your car with an open cockpit wearing what amounts to an equestrian helmet on your noggin... man them cats were crazy
We need to be more clear on "the FIRST time a banking oval was used"... Brooklands in England, home of auto racing engineering, then aircraft design and manufacture (Vickers, Concorde, etc) had a very large, banked somewhat oval track since the early 1900's as a means to test aerodynamics & engineering improvements in a controlled environment !
These were the best days of Grand Prix racing. The hey day is so nostalgic and I prefer watching old footage even before the 1920's when it all started. The sport died !
well...they certainly put the pedal to the floor then...AND going through the banked curve they were being "bounced" like hell...and don't forget the individual straw bales.....good knows what they could have done inthe "worst" case.....
1:14 Seems like a rather fit and healthy man. Ten minutes earlier he had just arrived after his usual jog to the track and still had enough time and energy to change into his Sunday best.
Amazing. But actually the banking was there since the birth of Monza in 1922. In 1938 it was demolished and eventually rebuilt with enhanced steepness in 1955, and here yes, first used.
imagine pushing the limits of these deathtraps… The balls on these guys are insane. Half their body unprotected popping out the top of the car is insanity.
we would walk the ovals as kids.. try to ride our bicycles on them.. slide down painfully many times when we climbed to high on the banking. could hear f1 cars from my house just outside the park.
Esse traçado de monza não é mais utilizado, mas bem que italianos e americanos poderiam fazer um acordo e depois de uma reforma realizar uma prova lá, preservando essa incrivel curva inclinada né.
By thé eighties I was friend with The french ex driver André Simon Who was official for Mercedes ( 24 h le Mans 55 ... ) , Talbot , Maserati , Gordini , Ferrari ... same period as Fangio , Behra , Moss etc When I said him how crazy was thé safety at 300 km h on a fuel tank geared with bicycle tyres , pilots " equipped " with boiled cardboard helmet and shirts as well as no rails or safety belts ( furthermore for small money ) , he always tried to explain me : We had to brake 250 / 300 meters before thé corner to turn slowly with spectacular understear.. now they brake at 100 m to turn on a rail 3 times faster... this is much more dangerous now !!! And he never agreed my opinion on this point despite thé number of fatal registered accidents... In fact they loved racing so much they hv been forgetting the risks. Jolly good balls !! .
There is no rollover bar or HANS device. The driver is just playing a game of pop goes the weasel sitting in the car half exposed. And they're the weasels.
@@riccardo6820 I was referring to the cars themselves, but the tracks were basically even more dangerous with trees and fans straight in the path of momentum. And, despite the guard rail, car still flew off.
@@BananasananaB Yup, and about the same odds of get smashed. BTW: HANS Device?! You might as well as been talking about them not having iPhones at the time. Hell, those weren’t even standard in F1 until recently. I’m looking at my HANS Device. Seems like overkill to be mandatory for my racing series, but I consider my brain pretty mandatory equipment.
1:06 the Mercedes on the inside and the Alfa/ Ferrari coming out of the banking? how was the track, one lap on the infield and other using the banking?
I'd love to see them renovate that oval and run a NASCAR race on it! It's about the same size and banking as Talladega so it would be raceable if they could bring it up to modern specs!
And the pit garages right on the main straight (no pit lane) which was a contributory factor to the tragedy at Le Mans that year that led to Mercedes pulling out of motor sport for 40 years.
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This old Monza track are one of the greatest tracks in the history, this oval part is Epic ❤️
Parabolica..❤
@@lorenzoveneri4665 Yes
@@thedave7760 Yes but this is the soul of the track ok i am going to check this asseto corsa
An ideal banking track to kill yourself....
The pit board guy and flag man standing on the track while the cars fly by just a couple of feet away is bananas!
I was looking at the photographers laying on the ground next to the track at the start! Insanity.
Looks like spectators with group B rally in he 80s
yeah when watching Canada 1972 race the checked flag man was insane, he literally reminded me of a Matador.
Every car you could see him spot it, then he would start shuffling out onto the track like a dance, every car he got right next to it like that was part of the job. Even if it was out in the centre of the track he was out there too with his perfect style etc
Another era
The guy with the bottle had in-built air bags, though.
One of my biggest dreams about motorsport is the complete restoration of the oval and the full circuit, and seeing at least endurance races on it. It would be a cyclopic work and hugely expensive but what a wonder it would be...!
The oval has been restored. Lewis Hamilton and Stirling Moss took part in a publicity event on it for Mercedes a few years ago.
@@RJSRdg I meant restored in a way in which it can be used for racing. 😉
24 Hours of LeMans in May + Original 24 Hours of Monza Oval in July + Original 24 Hours of Spa Long Circuit in September. That would be epic.
whatever the race was at that time,always Fangio winning at the end...
Fangio is one of the all time greats. In a time when cars were virtually tin bathtubs full of aviation fuel that slid around everywhere, he had masterful control over whatever he was driving - Ferraris, Mercedes, Alfas, Maseratis - he could get in and win.
This dominante could bore the fans.
For site Fangio is the GOAT
Well, not ALL the time…
Now it's the same but with verstappen
@@benve2015 Not a chance. Verstappen would never win in the W14 or the SF-23. If you think I can do it I think you don't understand shit about this sport
I loved that the movie "Grand Prix", made in 1966, showed Monza with the oval sector. So great was the footage of the cars on those curves...
Poor Jean-Pierre Sarti.....
Yes. He was foiled by that broken hub.@@peterbloink8738
I could NOT believe the engine sound was edited in. Beautiful work !
0:06 That guy near the track taking pictures would give FIA emotional damage nowadays
After working SCCA races for about 10 years as a Safety Marshall in the 1980 & '90s, I know that feeling. These old races showed a totally difference era. These are some of the reasons that so many top of the line drivers of that time died so young. The pictures show Fangio in his late 40s but he started racing in Europe in his early 40s.
love this footage! Neubauer standing in the pits with a bottle of wine (for one of the drivers i assume) and the grand stands packed with perfectly dressed people, granted that track is close to milan.
Great, thank you so much! Amazing how fast the cars went already in 1955. Love this old tracks without any chicane!
YESS sircharles7323 !! Chicanes RUIN EVERY race, AND track !!
Clarification: First time F1 raced on the oval.
The oval section was part of the original layout from 1922 and was used for several pre-F1 era Grand Prix races during the 20s and 30s.
Yes, Avus ring in Berlin, Montlehry in France in the AIACR European Championship from 1931-1939 (F1 in all but name)
Brookslands in the UK was never in the AIACR as the British GP in a counting way, but was used in period and had an oval so should count.
The original oval from 1922 was completely demolished in the late 1930s. This new oval was rebuilt in the late 1940s, and the location of the oval was just slightly different enough that the new Parabola corner had to be created, too.
I miss this track layout. Beautiful video!
Superb upscaling. Masterpiece film footage there.
Miss race tracks that have that sort of extreme banking.
New gen F1's chassis/suspension needs to be built stronger (meaning heavier, costlier) if these sort of race tracks would ever be given a comeback approval.
1:30 He's almost bouncing out of the seat
Indy cars raced there in 1957 and 1958.....with Jimmy Bryan winning in 1957.
The track was so rough, several cars broke down.
Did they race WITH F1 cars, or, By themseLves ??
@@michaelRIM it's more or less a Formula Libre race held at the oval only. In 1957, the Americans came in with their Indy Roadsters (which proved fast, but a bit fragile for the banked oval), while the Europeans fielded whatever they deemed adequate. One entrant of note is Ecurie Ecosse, who literally entered the same Jaguar D Types they raced very successfully at Le Mans that year, and by that, I mean the D Types had just raced at Le Mans, and was sent to Monza to race again!
@@michaelRIMin 1958, the Europeans prepared cars especially for the race. Ferrari built two cars for the race, the 326 MI with a 3.2L V6 engine, and the 412 MI with a 4.0L V12. There's also an old 375 Indianapolis that was entered by NART.
Maserati built the 420M/58, more well-known as the "Eldorado" after it's sponsor.
Ecurie Ecosse returned, this time with the Lister Jaguar "Monzanapolis", alongside their trusty old Jaguar D Types...
1:13 what a shot!
Alfred Neubauer, Mercedes team manager.
Has ha a beer in his hand ?🤣
he
@@pierluigimariani5382
Well of course he did 😉....
But it would have to be Bürgerbräu Bamberg Weissbier... I would know. Lived there in 1987 - 1989. Good times while stationed there.
Bamberg is THE beer capital of the world. PROST!! 😜💫🍻🤗💕🌎
🍻@@maxmulsanne7054
The track, the wind on driver' face, the photographer lying down to shot on the start and the team chief holding a botlle of a wine (!) is a clear sign we are all going back in evolution now regarding to what is really important in life
¿Qué?
En esos tiempos, la F1 era un matadero de pilotos, las condiciones de seguridad eran desastrosas.
@@cardondelnorte104
You’re paying for the increased amount of safety with your freedom. Nobody was forced to take part in the races or to be a spectator. Only difference is these people were allowed to manage their risks for themselves.
@@kaffeetasse9455"Anyone who trades freedom for safety deserves neither." - Benjamin Franklin
Are we not men?
We are Devo !!
Quando criança,tive um autorama com a pista de Monza...
De curva inclinada.
Anos incríveis.
Hearing these cars and watching them scream around the high bank turn gave me chills all over my body and tear up. WOW! Just remarkable! I don't have words....
Amazing footage of the both bankings!
Absolutely stunning how brilliant to watch and the sound
Imagens incríveis! Que pista espetacular esse antigo traçado de Monza. As Mercedes totalmentes cobertas de carenagem e os outros carros pelados, parecia outra categoria. Fangio sensacional!
A buddy of mine, Tom Hamilton, lay on the banking drinking some beers back in 1964.......we were 14.
Wonderfulness ! This is incredible ! Too actually see, on video, the 1st time the banked track at Monza, in Italy, being raced. thank you.C/O RDRT.
Increíbles imágenes! El impresionante peralte, la doble recta, el imponente porte de Neubauer, los hermosos Mercedes y el incomparable Juan Manuel Fangio.
Let's go racing in a T-shirt! Saw this type of open cockpit racing as a school boy at the Australian Grand prix at Albert Park in 1956 with many of the greats of the time: Moss Behra Wharton Stan Jones (Alan's dad) Peter Whitehead Otto Stone et al. Brave men all! Cheers
Amazing footage. Truly awesome.
Apaixonado nos desenhos dessa época....arredondado, muito bonito e elegante. Parabens a esse canal.
This is awesome footage
2 minutes and 33 seconds of Pure Bliss. Merci!!!
Driving high banks at speed when you sit a good 2 feet above the body of your car with an open cockpit wearing what amounts to an equestrian helmet on your noggin... man them cats were crazy
I could never understand the layout of this track until I played Assetto Corsa. They literally made the start/finish straight a dual carriageway 😄
El maestro Juan Manuel Fangio.
Man, I thought that was the Fat Controller at 1:15
That's Alfred Neubauer, the Mercedes Benz team manager since the 1920s!
The good old days. Gone forever.
We need to be more clear on "the FIRST time a banking oval was used"... Brooklands in England, home of auto racing engineering, then aircraft design and manufacture (Vickers, Concorde, etc) had a very large, banked somewhat oval track since the early 1900's as a means to test aerodynamics & engineering improvements in a controlled environment !
These were the best days of Grand Prix racing. The hey day is so nostalgic and I prefer watching old footage even before the 1920's when it all started. The sport died !
Mercedes Benz and Juan Manuel Fangio was the dream team of all times
Wow just wow!!!! I love watching these
Awesome video! I liked the plan on Alfred Neubauer with his bottle...😉
Hillarious shot😎😎
1:33 - For 1955?
That scoreboard was REALLY impressive to me.
☮
To be fair, the 50's weren't stone age either
Wow, Monza *REALLY* changed a lot and the Monza I like is that they don't use the oval anymore, but it's one of the greatest tracks ever made...
1:14 it ain't much but it's honest work
Amazing, high-RPM sounds for 1955 Damn!
well...they certainly put the pedal to the floor then...AND going through the banked curve they were being "bounced" like hell...and don't forget the individual straw bales.....good knows what they could have done inthe "worst" case.....
I can't believe the flag man was standing on the track until a few years ago, crazy
Security back then was "not stepping in front of the cars".
I remember watching F1 years ago at Monza and they would show remnants of the now overgrown banking..that was kool to see
monza's main entrance walkway tunnels right under a highly banked portion of the old track, it looks kind of ancient and really cool
Love the sound of the cars
They sound like they’re about to throw a rod. 😅
1:15 best moment in all F1 history
1:14 Seems like a rather fit and healthy man. Ten minutes earlier he had just arrived after his usual jog to the track and still had enough time and energy to change into his Sunday best.
Amazing. But actually the banking was there since the birth of Monza in 1922. In 1938 it was demolished and eventually rebuilt with enhanced steepness in 1955, and here yes, first used.
Guy waving the checkered flag just casually standing there. What a badass
The closed wheel mercedes is one of the weirdest cars in f1 history
I tried to walk up the banking once, it very steep.
I know regulations were very loose back then, but i never understood why merc was allowed to run a full fendered car
Era más lindo así el viejo circuito de Monza, y tuvo el privilegio de ganar el más grande de todos los tiempos JUAN MANUEL FANGIO 💪🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷
Wow, brave and talented men indeed
imagine pushing the limits of these deathtraps… The balls on these guys are insane. Half their body unprotected popping out the top of the car is insanity.
Those straight-eight Mercedes engines sounded awesome.
wonderful post!
we would walk the ovals as kids.. try to ride our bicycles on them.. slide down painfully many times when we climbed to high on the banking. could hear f1 cars from my house just outside the park.
1955年時点で既に、こんな路面状況の良いサーキットが存在していたのですね～🤔🤔
The track had already 30 years, in 1955. It is one of the oldest ever made...
Everyone who played Asseto corsa knows how terrifying going about 300kmh at this oval is...
1:14 Goldfinger 🤣🤣🤣
not Gert Fröbe, but Alfred Neubauer, team leader of Mercedes in the time (until 1955).
@@andreas7136 Interesting, thanks!
Fantastic!!!
Man, What is the sounds on this video???
Bellissimo video , complimenti!!! I love Monza! Ciao.
Que hermosas curvas inclinadas para doblar a gran velocidad, y que sonidos de motor, la época dorada del automovilismo
cool footage! :-)
Esse traçado de monza não é mais utilizado, mas bem que italianos e americanos poderiam fazer um acordo e depois de uma reforma realizar uma prova lá, preservando essa incrivel curva inclinada né.
The balls on these guys. Insane circuit with the banking zero safety systems.
By thé eighties I was friend with The french ex driver André Simon Who was official for Mercedes ( 24 h le Mans 55 ... ) , Talbot , Maserati , Gordini , Ferrari ... same period as Fangio , Behra , Moss etc
When I said him how crazy was thé safety at 300 km h on a fuel tank geared with bicycle tyres , pilots " equipped " with boiled cardboard helmet and shirts as well as no rails or safety belts ( furthermore for small money ) , he always tried to explain me :
We had to brake 250 / 300 meters before thé corner to turn slowly with spectacular understear.. now they brake at 100 m to turn on a rail 3 times faster... this is much more dangerous now !!!
And he never agreed my opinion on this point despite thé number of fatal registered accidents...
In fact they loved racing so much they hv been forgetting the risks.
Jolly good balls !!
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There is no rollover bar or HANS device. The driver is just playing a game of pop goes the weasel sitting in the car half exposed. And they're the weasels.
@@riccardo6820 I was referring to the cars themselves, but the tracks were basically even more dangerous with trees and fans straight in the path of momentum. And, despite the guard rail, car still flew off.
@@BananasananaB Yup, and about the same odds of get smashed. BTW: HANS Device?! You might as well as been talking about them not having iPhones at the time. Hell, those weren’t even standard in F1 until recently. I’m looking at my HANS Device. Seems like overkill to be mandatory for my racing series, but I consider my brain pretty mandatory equipment.
@@riccardo6820but it was the bumps that made the banking so dangerous
1:06 the Mercedes on the inside and the Alfa/ Ferrari coming out of the banking? how was the track, one lap on the infield and other using the banking?
Yes you went down the main straight twice on each lap. First part was on the outside, and the second half of the lap was the inside.
I DONT KNOW WHATS MORE IMPRESSIVE, 60FPS OR THE FOOTAGE??
Awesome, million times better than the parades they race nowadays.
When drivers had beerbelly’s and courage was more important than physics😉
going more then 60mph makes you drift in these cars
El ganador es el quíntuple campeón mundial de F1, el argentino Juan Manuel Fangio.
Oh for those glory days to return.
Imagine racing in a polo shirt and slacks. Fangio is the greatest of all.
This is cool. My fave is the guy with the open (wine?) bottle @ 1:16.
Are/were there any other banked ovals that went clockwise? There aren’t any that come to mind.
First time Monza banking was in use in 1922, the original one not current one
A whole different world we see here !
Fangio, was called by MB: The One
I'd love to see them renovate that oval and run a NASCAR race on it! It's about the same size and banking as Talladega so it would be raceable if they could bring it up to modern specs!
That was the idea at the to get yanks over and have a combined Championship, it never happened.
@@Davyfb75 They did run a couple combined IndyCar/F1 races on it back in the 50s, but not many F1 teams took part and it didn't catch on.
HERE F1 had OPEN-WheeLed, AND, cars with FENDERS on them............?? How long did THAT go on ??
Che spettacolo l anello, bisogna ripristinarlo.
00:35 Interesting seeing Michelin sign in banked track
Esses homens e suas máquinas maravilhosas 🏎️🏁🏁
"How am I supposed to make that safe," she asks. Sonny Hayes: "Who said anything about safe."
Why do we not have tracks like this today ?
Waaaaaaaay to dangerous.
@@glenchapman3899 That's what racing is about !? We have the technology to build it right ???
I love that the fat guy with the wine bottle is Alfred Neubauer, the Mercedes team manager
Che spettacolo l' anello dell'alta velocità un vero peccato non usarlo più. 🇮🇹
1:14 I didn't know Sir Topham Hat was an F1 fan?
Please re-upload the 60FPS 1978 Austrian Grand Prix Vid
A digital display in 1955? 2:22
👍
The footage is of surprisingly good quality, kudos.
Where was the audio sourced from?
1:15 Winston Churchill 😅
Those cars looked great back then, tho saftey didnt seem to be a concern, fans on the edge of the track, playing with fire.
And the pit garages right on the main straight (no pit lane) which was a contributory factor to the tragedy at Le Mans that year that led to Mercedes pulling out of motor sport for 40 years.
Der dicke Neubauer mit Pulle in der Hand......
38 degrees of banking.
Daytona and Talladega nod with approval.
The F 1 drivers in the 50s and 60s were both heroic and had a death wish.
Ever hear of Brooklands in England?... the banked track predates these by several decades!
Weird to see the wheel covered Mercedes in F1. How was it allowed to race?