Thanks! The best review I've seen of the CX-50 hybrid. I especially like your "sleeping test" in the back. I have a deposit on the Rav4 XSE hybrid, and have been waiting for 3 months for it to arrive. The CX-50 hybrid is on the dealer lots right now. It's lacking a digital rearview mirror, 360 degree camera, and large digital gauge cluster that the Toyota has, but is 2 or 3 thousand less. It would be interesting to see how the Mazda performs off road with A/T tires.
@ yes. It looks great and simple. Though beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I have seen some RAV4 where a change of rims made a difference and some people like that rugged look. However, I like simplicity of Mazda.
Thank you for being one of the few reviewers to actually offer some details on the e-AWD 👍 Even though its already slightly lifted over the NA models, I wonder if it can still use the 1.5" lift available on the other CX-50's.
Had to come back to say this is the best review so far after a month of reviews rolling in. Really disappointed in the quality of other reviews that barely even cover the main bullet points, not sure how how much time journalists get but they just seem to offer very little actual insight even though they have the first hand experience. So again, thank you.
Biggest win for this is that it’s available now, I can go to my three nearest Mazdas and find one. I looked at RAV4 hybrids and they are months backed up for a trim with features equivalent to this Mazda.
Yes, they have a development partnership with them and the Forester Hybrid has been announced as "coming soon". However, I expect it will be more like the Crosstrek Hybrid recently announced in Japan, where they used their hybrid tech integrated into their Symmetrical AWD system instead of just dropping in a full Toyota powertrain like Mazda did here.
I love Mazda's red color and I am not a red color fan. That price is excellent for that size and power. I am definitely a Subaru guy but I can respect a decent Mazda. I've been watching your channel for years due to the amount of info you give and some off road testing. This new sleep test is a great addition for those who use their vehicle to camp in. On Mazda I definitely think a touch screen would be beneficial but being one of the few car brands who use the dials for their infotainment system, I can respect their wanting to be different. The gauges in that are very user friendly and simple. I like that. The hybrid model getting 40 mpg in your testing is awesome for sure while keeping the Mazda "fun to drive" aspect. Speaking to a non car person is always fun because you see how they view the car world and all the gadgets. I have spoke to several while working at a large multi-brand dealer and most people don't ask for a hybrid, most want just the gas version. Just my experience. All in all I always like your reviews and even though I may not agree with some statements, I respect what you do. Thanks for another great video!
I like the Forester a lot. But the fuel economy isn't good for me. I live in Los Angeles with high gas prices. And next year the price is expected to increase again. Looking forward to the Forester hybrid in 2025.
@@kenfrank2730 Now in your situation I would agree. I am glad to see you are looking at the hybrid forester vs shopping another brand. I have a friend who lives in California who has a BMW that requires premium gas. It is crazy how much she pays. I don't understand why NY and CA are so expensive.
Turn off the ac/fan when testing the ev mode so the enginge doesn´t start right away just because it wants to warm the inside of the car. I can drive my rav4 a few km city driving in ev mode only with the ac turned off when the battery is fully charged.
Since you mentioned the CRV - I rented a 2024 new with less than 2k miles CRV fully loaded, non hybrid at the time of picking it up. I packed my family, puppy, lugage, and we drove cross country. It was an okay car. No lumbar support and that is not good for cross country, but around town or a few hours either direction it was just fine. I loved the interior, the ride was great, handling was trash in the mountains. My sister met me in Missoula, MT. out of excitement and we went on a small hike, grabbed some food and gas before she took the kids and me and my wife followed her through the pass back into Washington State. Let me just say her 2020 Huyndai Tucson SEL handled the mountian pass MUCH better than the CRV, while the CRV had more power as it was turbo (not much, really), the CVT is not tuned for decending down a pass, even putting the transmission in [L] did not help too much as I still had to tap the brakes way more often than she did, not only because the transmission was lacking selectable gears like her standard 6-speed or other cars such as Suabaru with preset selectable rations on their CVT, but also due to the horrible handling. My sister's Tucson was pulling away from me without even trying while in a very safe manner and the CRV was nerve wracking, I am actually convinced my old RX330, which is well taken car of but has high miles now, would be able to outpeform the new CRV. I think the CRV is great, I would buy one as a daily family hualer, but if you live in the hills, mountains, or even plan on driving LONG road trips more than a day long each way, I think there are way better options. When we retuned the CRV after 10 days, we had put on close to 3400-5k miles, I can't remember the exact amount but the MPG was very low and not even remotely close to what Honda claims (34 highway) as it only got 26 mpg the whole trip, outside of the moutain pass, some hills, it was mostly all highway or interstate travel, though it likely was not fully broke in yet. We spent tons of time traveling all over Washington State, parts of MT (some of my old stomping grounds), Yellowstone, Wyoming, and South Dakota and a couple other states, it was an amazing trip that I wish we could relive again and again, even with the CRV's shortcomings.
The horsepower figure you quoted, which is the COMBINED engine and electric motors HP, is correct. The TORQUE figure is wrong. That 163 ft-lbs is for the internal combustion engine ONLY. Because of how the hybrid system works, the actual "crankshaft" torque VARIES in such a way as to make quoting it useless for comparison to other vehicles. This is why Toyota and Mazda do NOT provide torque numbers for the drivetrain.
That right, youtuber Vilbrequin have put a 2017-22 prius prime on the dyno, and hp was 125 combine and like 285 pound feet of torque combine (dyno tested) so a bigger engine mus have better torque then the 1.8L of the prius
Rav4 hybrid estimates have generally been a 220ft lb torque which coincides with its 0-60 of 7.3s. Comment above with dyno... Ya those torque figures are WAY off 😂
I’ve watched a lot of them, and this is the best review of the new CX 50 hybrid, esp in terms of going over the technical details of the drivetrain. Would be interesting to add cabin noise measurements under throttle at, say, 35 mph while accelerating to get to 60 mph as well as the decibel level at a highway cruising range of 65 mph. Lastly, just a question: do you check the PSI of each tire before test driving a vehicle? I ask because on that last task where you hit the ground a little bit, it could have been different if the tires were better inflated - and because I’ve found that dealerships aren’t always on top of this, especially if the car has been on the lot for a while. PSI also makes a difference on the noise level in the cabin. IMHO an entire video could be done on the impact of differences in air pressure across the 4 tires with regard to road noise, MPG’s, acceleration, braking, handling and sway; under-inflation, hyper-inflation, & significant differences of pressure between tires makes a greater impact on ride quality than what most consumers appreciate.
Ignoring your opinion on the Infotainment as I absolutely love Mazda's system. Sure it takes getting used to, but once you do its great. I can navigate menus without even looking at the screen I'm so comfortable with the Rotary Knob and buttons. I thank you for the review. I honestly didn't know Toyota's CVT wasn't a normal CVT. I went and looked up a video about it. My main hesitation about considering this vehicles was the CVT. I thought it had a normal one with a belt. Now that I know it doesn't I'm considering it more. I never really tow more than like 1100-1200 pounds, so towing is more than adequate for me. Especially if I use the money I'd save getting the CX-50 instead of the CX-90 PHEV, I could get a lighter trailer for my motorcycle to drop my towing weight even more. I currently have a 2017 CX-5, so this would be a great upgrade path for me.
I don't' mind the slight difference in mpg, considering that the look in the rav is DATED, interior is even WORSE and looks like its 10-15 years old like most Toyota interiors that age like milk. While Mazda interiors look much more modern and age better. Subjective I know that's just how I feel.
Yes Toyota fixed it starting in 2022 models. I have 2019 and live in Alberta with over 200,000km already and my hybrid system working great still. If you're that concerned theres a couple YT videos how to fix this issue yourself. All Toyota did was make a drain hole so water doesn't pool up. Issue has been overhyped a bit. Yes some vehicles have had the issue but thanks to social media it's been way overhyped as usual.
I was just quoted an out the door price of $47965 for one of these at the Mazda dealership in Torrance, CA. It looks like a great car but for that price, I'm going to look at a 2024 RAV4! $10 k mark up!
Too bad Toyota discontinued the Venza. I bought a 2024 limited for $45,000 and have a CX5 also. I like the mazda but the Venza is more upscale and much more so than a RAV4 and it has the same engine and powertrain.
Greetings from southern Ontario Canada I really enjoyed the video but I almost considered this crossover then realized that the power train is the same as the toyota RAV4 hybrid &instead leased the 2025 hyundai tucson hybrid
Ryan's wrong on this one. That's the engine only. Toyota doesn't give combined torque numbers on their synergy hybrid systems. It's been estimated by Alex on Autos 🤓 to be around 220lb torque which coincided with its 0-60 times of 7.3s on the Rav4 hybrid.
when you need to use the spare tire...i'm assuming its better to put it at the rear where its the electric motor? Can you replace tires in pairs (front set , rear set) rather than all 4 tires if need be ? Does this CX50 have that same complaint for the Rav4 hybrid harness corrosion (cablegate?)
Keep in mind that hybrid in Rav4 is 4th generation THS and it's due for a new redesign in a year or two. When it's released, it will come with 5th generation.
Additional note: saw this tested against the Rav4 and it's 1Db quieter on the road (60mph). I would *expect* a euro brand to be quieter (as mentioned), but which one has a CUV hybrid?? I want a hybrid CUV. And I want it to run on 87 octane. And I want it loaded at
Curious to now see what the Subaru hybrid is going to contain,is it going to be this powertrain,or is Subaru going to modify it to fit one of there global boxer motors.
Subaru is modifying theirs. If you Google "2025 Japan Subaru Crosstrek Hybrid", I expect that we'll get a similar powrtrain. It's using Toyota tech integrated into the Symmetrical AWD system. Not the Toyota eAWD setup.
I would hate to see Subaru stiffen the suspension on the Forester to accommodate the higher center of gravity of an I-4. It's so luxurious compared to the rest of the segment.
Interesting about your radar cruise control not working during a heavy rain. I’ve been driving my CX 50 for almost 2 years and I’ve never had any issues driving in heavy rain with the radar cruise system.🤔
@@tomcat1555 I'm not saying I've driven with the radar cruise control on during a heavy rain, but you can still get a warning that the radar cruise control/ sensing system is inactive.
I also run Wildpeak AT Trails on my Rav4 hybrid (drive cross continent every year from Canada) and really like the tires. Great grip softroading, mild off-roading, wet and snow/ice. Quiet and smooth on highway, decent handling and wear. Does give up a few MPGs being a heavier tire + tread design but well worth it for that grip. And they look great!
Odd that you get more ground clearance with the low-profile tires (worse for offroading bumps). And the wheelbase is too long for good breakover angles, which is also odd since this is marketed as more offroady than other AWD Mazdas. But its approach & departure angles seem to beat the RAV4. A Corolla Cross Hybrid with a shorter wheelbase than both might actually prove better offroad.
Oh wow, drives like a Mazda, but using Toyota’s hybrid technology. Sounds like a win! Mazda leapfrogged to the front of the compact hybrids crossovers.
For all that pakaging and motor wonder weight of turbo vs hybrid Reason being mazda makes less effecient on hybrid version this hybrid was purposely develop under that system while if you bolt a system to random platform mostly likely it could likely have penalty
The base hybrid price seems very reasonable. But 42K for a beam rear axle? No thanks. Also, what happens to the AWD system if the batteries become depleted? Do you get variable AWD response as the battery charge varies? Edit: I read more about the eAWD system. I get it now: the third electric motor charges the rear AWD motors. I think you mentioned this in your review, but I did not understand what you were saying when you said it "charges the battery". It seems like a decent system, but I am very interested in how Subaru will implement the Toyota AWD system in their cars. I understand they are going to implement it into a "symmetrical" system with the gas engine sending at least some power to all 4 wheels. Seems like a much better system, but more complex and might sacrifice a bit of mileage. Overall, the CX-50 is such a nice car, it just irritates me no end that they stuck it with a beam axle and stubbornly refuse to modify the "commander" control on the infotainment system.
Glad I went with the gas model; the 2 inches of legroom makes a big difference with a car seat in the rear. Other than that this thing is near perfect!
This Mazda is being sensible like a Toyota Venza. Admittedly without acoustic glass. But you get a much larger vehicle and a good sound system so I’ll overlook the lack of sound deadening. This isn’t filled with gimmicks and it’ll still be a good looking car in 20 years. Mazda isn’t competing with Toyota, rather Toyota licensed their tech out to Mazda. It’s a brilliant move for both companies.
I go with the RAV4 all the way! It's not as enjoyable to drive as some other cars, but it's more comfortable. Even though it's outdated, I still prefer the RAV4.
Rav4 also more cargo area, independent rear suspension (not torsion bar on cx50), more comfortable seats (cx50 seats are very firm) and softer suspension (worse handling but better over rough pavement and bumps).
If you care about handling and driving dynamics, then mazda is the way to go. The only place the rav 4 slightly edges cx 5/50 is ride quality. Overall and from experience(having owned both), mazda is far much better.
I've test drove this car just recently. Perhaps the complaints are genuine, but coming from a large dude like myself, the seats can be described as supportive at most. They're far better than the ones in most BMWs, which are bone stiff. They're very plush, the ones in the Mazda. My biggest complaint is the road noise. Definitely not enough cushioning and insulating in the doors and panes. Seats were not an issue, however, by any means.
I think both of your evaluations of Mazda's use of Toyota's hybrid system are off, Mazda simply doesn't have the budget to develop its own hybrid powertrain for its transverse 4 cylinder engine. I think everyone seems to forget how much smaller of a company Mazda is compared to Toyota, for example it does 100x less in yearly revenue than Toyota.
@ My bad! I commented right after you said it and I agree you summed it up later on. Great review though! I always come this channel for your off road dynamics evaluations and no one does it better.
I commented a part of this on another review, but I'll mention it here as well as I watch everything you do. I do live where it gets damn cold up in Saskatchewan Canada, Mazda has seriously dropped the ball with the connected app features. You can't configure anything at all with the climate in the app, you can just remote start the thing, so you better hope you set up your climate accordingly before exiting the vehicle on the last drive. But yet they still charge you for the privilege of the app service. You also have to get the top trims in any of their vehicles to get the lane keeping assistance features. The Toyota safety suite is available on every trim right from base making the Rav4 a WAY better deal between these two, and that's where I'd spend my money
Mazda does offer their safety suite systems on all of their trims, but some of their safety features are a little bit behind from other lane centering systems, for example
@@eleanormassaro5195 No active lane keeping on the Mazda unless you get the top trims. Toyota, Subaru, and Hyundai offer that on every trim. Fine if you don't want that feature, but for those of us that do, it's a hard pill to swallow to buy that top trim
Mazda used Toyota hybrid technology because "they needed to compete". Perhaps I'm ignorant : what is the percentage of buyers that say "I will not (let's be frank) lease a car unless it is a hybrid"?
It’s a growing number in a very competitive segment. Anecdotally, I’ve met several people like that. “Not sure what I’m buying but I’m getting a hybrid.”
Actually quite a bit, I’m a car guy myself but I’m not a Car guy till disillusionment, I still like a comfy daily and after gas guzzler after another V8 this 300HP turbo that I want something I can just drive sometimes
As someone who works at a very large multi-brand dealership we don't get a lot of people asking for hybrid only vehicles. I would say 3 in 10 people ask specifically for it. Most prefer gas only when sales offers a hybrid option.
Plenty of room for front legs/knees? (at my measly 5'6" height my knees kept whacking against the center console - none of that with the Outback or Forester).
Am I the only one who worries that the Hybrid Battery is under the rear seats? Has Toyota done this in their models? Other than that vital consideration, I like the vehicle and it's very comparable to the new 25 Honda CRV Hybrid Touring....maybe including some more Goodies than the CRV (cooled / ventilated front seats - lacking in the CRV) with slighly less MPGs. I would test drive the 2.5L Turbo and this model for comparison.
I was going order one until I looked at the rear suspension. Deal breaker. Who was the idiot who decided to be a torsion bar suspension the rear. That car is going to wash out on corners with any bumps. The other problem: Toyota quality has been dropping like a lead balloon. I’ll wait 2 or 3 years. I wouldn’t tow anything with that rear end!
DST I love your reviews and this is not against you, but can we please stop this whole "car review" and the negative feedback from too many out there is infotainment. Cars are meant to be driven. You wanna listen to music or use other tech then park and use your phone, please!
Mazda does have a BEAUTIFUL red paint.
Yep but it’s fragile as well
@ericramirez7450 Is that right? Like, it's a thin layer of paint?
The pigment on the soul red crystal metallic is as good as their Polymetal gray paint they offer
@@ericramirez7450Yeah, that's what I heard too.
Renault also have a lovely red with alittle orange in it. Always turns my head.
Loved that line "The best Rav4 is...a Mazda!" 😄
Imagine driving a Toyota with even a hint of steering feel.
The best Toyota is a BMW
Thanks! The best review I've seen of the CX-50 hybrid. I especially like your "sleeping test" in the back. I have a deposit on the Rav4 XSE hybrid, and have been waiting for 3 months for it to arrive. The CX-50 hybrid is on the dealer lots right now. It's lacking a digital rearview mirror, 360 degree camera, and large digital gauge cluster that the Toyota has, but is 2 or 3 thousand less. It would be interesting to see how the Mazda performs off road with A/T tires.
I love RAV4 and its resale value but I like Mazda CX50’s interior a lot more.
Facts. The cx50 also looks better imo.
@ yes. It looks great and simple. Though beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I have seen some RAV4 where a change of rims made a difference and some people like that rugged look. However, I like simplicity of Mazda.
Good luck trying to get one. I tried and the Dealer said it's a very limited run
@@xiondFirst Interesting. The two Mazda dealers near me have a few in stock.
@@xiondFirst I wouldn’t trust that dealer’s word
Rav4 & CX-50 is a match made in heaven bulletproof powertrain
this is the only review w a trail test. Thank you!
Thank you for being one of the few reviewers to actually offer some details on the e-AWD 👍 Even though its already slightly lifted over the NA models, I wonder if it can still use the 1.5" lift available on the other CX-50's.
Adding a lift and A/T tires would be interesting.
Had to come back to say this is the best review so far after a month of reviews rolling in. Really disappointed in the quality of other reviews that barely even cover the main bullet points, not sure how how much time journalists get but they just seem to offer very little actual insight even though they have the first hand experience. So again, thank you.
Biggest win for this is that it’s available now, I can go to my three nearest Mazdas and find one. I looked at RAV4 hybrids and they are months backed up for a trim with features equivalent to this Mazda.
and don't forget the crazy markup even on the base model non hybrid ones!
I wish Subaru would do this in the Outback and/or Forester. A true hybrid Subaru would be really nice.
Subaru's Hybrid Forester is coming out next spring.
@@drivingsports I did not know that. Is Subaru borrowing from Toyota, as well? Subaru's previous in house hybrids have been lackluster.
Yes, they have a development partnership with them and the Forester Hybrid has been announced as "coming soon". However, I expect it will be more like the Crosstrek Hybrid recently announced in Japan, where they used their hybrid tech integrated into their Symmetrical AWD system instead of just dropping in a full Toyota powertrain like Mazda did here.
Sadly it sounds like the Forester hybrid for Canada will no longer be manufactured in Japan....
When the crosstrek strong hybrid wilderness edition comes out, I'll be first in line haha.
I love Mazda's red color and I am not a red color fan. That price is excellent for that size and power. I am definitely a Subaru guy but I can respect a decent Mazda. I've been watching your channel for years due to the amount of info you give and some off road testing. This new sleep test is a great addition for those who use their vehicle to camp in. On Mazda I definitely think a touch screen would be beneficial but being one of the few car brands who use the dials for their infotainment system, I can respect their wanting to be different. The gauges in that are very user friendly and simple. I like that. The hybrid model getting 40 mpg in your testing is awesome for sure while keeping the Mazda "fun to drive" aspect. Speaking to a non car person is always fun because you see how they view the car world and all the gadgets. I have spoke to several while working at a large multi-brand dealer and most people don't ask for a hybrid, most want just the gas version. Just my experience. All in all I always like your reviews and even though I may not agree with some statements, I respect what you do. Thanks for another great video!
I like the Forester a lot. But the fuel economy isn't good for me. I live in Los Angeles with high gas prices. And next year the price is expected to increase again. Looking forward to the Forester hybrid in 2025.
@@kenfrank2730 Now in your situation I would agree. I am glad to see you are looking at the hybrid forester vs shopping another brand. I have a friend who lives in California who has a BMW that requires premium gas. It is crazy how much she pays. I don't understand why NY and CA are so expensive.
Turn off the ac/fan when testing the ev mode so the enginge doesn´t start right away just because it wants to warm the inside of the car. I can drive my rav4 a few km city driving in ev mode only with the ac turned off when the battery is fully charged.
This review is so pleasant to watch! Every second of it is entertaining!
Since you mentioned the CRV - I rented a 2024 new with less than 2k miles CRV fully loaded, non hybrid at the time of picking it up. I packed my family, puppy, lugage, and we drove cross country. It was an okay car. No lumbar support and that is not good for cross country, but around town or a few hours either direction it was just fine. I loved the interior, the ride was great, handling was trash in the mountains.
My sister met me in Missoula, MT. out of excitement and we went on a small hike, grabbed some food and gas before she took the kids and me and my wife followed her through the pass back into Washington State. Let me just say her 2020 Huyndai Tucson SEL handled the mountian pass MUCH better than the CRV, while the CRV had more power as it was turbo (not much, really), the CVT is not tuned for decending down a pass, even putting the transmission in [L] did not help too much as I still had to tap the brakes way more often than she did, not only because the transmission was lacking selectable gears like her standard 6-speed or other cars such as Suabaru with preset selectable rations on their CVT, but also due to the horrible handling. My sister's Tucson was pulling away from me without even trying while in a very safe manner and the CRV was nerve wracking, I am actually convinced my old RX330, which is well taken car of but has high miles now, would be able to outpeform the new CRV.
I think the CRV is great, I would buy one as a daily family hualer, but if you live in the hills, mountains, or even plan on driving LONG road trips more than a day long each way, I think there are way better options. When we retuned the CRV after 10 days, we had put on close to 3400-5k miles, I can't remember the exact amount but the MPG was very low and not even remotely close to what Honda claims (34 highway) as it only got 26 mpg the whole trip, outside of the moutain pass, some hills, it was mostly all highway or interstate travel, though it likely was not fully broke in yet.
We spent tons of time traveling all over Washington State, parts of MT (some of my old stomping grounds), Yellowstone, Wyoming, and South Dakota and a couple other states, it was an amazing trip that I wish we could relive again and again, even with the CRV's shortcomings.
The horsepower figure you quoted, which is the COMBINED engine and electric motors HP, is correct. The TORQUE figure is wrong. That 163 ft-lbs is for the internal combustion engine ONLY. Because of how the hybrid system works, the actual "crankshaft" torque VARIES in such a way as to make quoting it useless for comparison to other vehicles. This is why Toyota and Mazda do NOT provide torque numbers for the drivetrain.
That right, youtuber Vilbrequin have put a 2017-22 prius prime on the dyno, and hp was 125 combine and like 285 pound feet of torque combine (dyno tested) so a bigger engine mus have better torque then the 1.8L of the prius
Rav4 hybrid estimates have generally been a 220ft lb torque which coincides with its 0-60 of 7.3s. Comment above with dyno... Ya those torque figures are WAY off 😂
@@James-il3tqrewatch it and it was 286nm so 211 ft pound
I love your reviews my friend ..greetings from New Jersey
I’ve watched a lot of them, and this is the best review of the new CX 50 hybrid, esp in terms of going over the technical details of the drivetrain. Would be interesting to add cabin noise measurements under throttle at, say, 35 mph while accelerating to get to 60 mph as well as the decibel level at a highway cruising range of 65 mph. Lastly, just a question: do you check the PSI of each tire before test driving a vehicle? I ask because on that last task where you hit the ground a little bit, it could have been different if the tires were better inflated - and because I’ve found that dealerships aren’t always on top of this, especially if the car has been on the lot for a while. PSI also makes a difference on the noise level in the cabin. IMHO an entire video could be done on the impact of differences in air pressure across the 4 tires with regard to road noise, MPG’s, acceleration, braking, handling and sway; under-inflation, hyper-inflation, & significant differences of pressure between tires makes a greater impact on ride quality than what most consumers appreciate.
Fantastic Mazda CX50 hybrid … cool video
Wow what a great collaboration, way to go Mazda.
Thank you for this test I am considering in purchasing one. Toyota hybrid drivetrain has proven to be effective.
Thank you very much! was very much looking forward to this review as I am considering buying one
Ignoring your opinion on the Infotainment as I absolutely love Mazda's system. Sure it takes getting used to, but once you do its great. I can navigate menus without even looking at the screen I'm so comfortable with the Rotary Knob and buttons.
I thank you for the review. I honestly didn't know Toyota's CVT wasn't a normal CVT. I went and looked up a video about it. My main hesitation about considering this vehicles was the CVT. I thought it had a normal one with a belt. Now that I know it doesn't I'm considering it more. I never really tow more than like 1100-1200 pounds, so towing is more than adequate for me. Especially if I use the money I'd save getting the CX-50 instead of the CX-90 PHEV, I could get a lighter trailer for my motorcycle to drop my towing weight even more. I currently have a 2017 CX-5, so this would be a great upgrade path for me.
I would definitely be interested in this vehicle. Just looks mature yet adventurous. AWD and Hybrid for that price is very compelling.
Don't you mean its 39 in the CITY and 37 on the HWY? on the CX50? @2:14
Didn't you mean the same for Rav4 which is 41 in the CITY not the highway?
yeah I notice that too, but he says differently later on in the video.
I don't' mind the slight difference in mpg, considering that the look in the rav is DATED, interior is even WORSE and looks like its 10-15 years old like most Toyota interiors that age like milk. While Mazda interiors look much more modern and age better. Subjective I know that's just how I feel.
Did you receive any information about the MGR cable and if it was redesigned?
Yes Toyota fixed it starting in 2022 models. I have 2019 and live in Alberta with over 200,000km already and my hybrid system working great still.
If you're that concerned theres a couple YT videos how to fix this issue yourself. All Toyota did was make a drain hole so water doesn't pool up. Issue has been overhyped a bit. Yes some vehicles have had the issue but thanks to social media it's been way overhyped as usual.
@@James-il3tq Thank you good to have a positive data point
nice, no more line up at Toyota for a RAV4 and I can get a MAV4 instead
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I was just quoted an out the door price of $47965 for one of these at the Mazda dealership in Torrance, CA. It looks like a great car but for that price, I'm going to look at a 2024 RAV4! $10 k mark up!
Too bad Toyota discontinued the Venza. I bought a 2024 limited for $45,000 and have a CX5 also. I like the mazda but the Venza is more upscale and much more so than a RAV4 and it has the same engine and powertrain.
MSRP all day up here in the bay area...
47k??? its listed for 33-40k on their website
Greetings from southern Ontario Canada I really enjoyed the video but I almost considered this crossover then realized that the power train is the same as the toyota RAV4 hybrid &instead leased the 2025 hyundai tucson hybrid
Those torque numbers, is that just the engine, just the electric motors or all combined? 163 sounds low for both combined
Those are the numbers they provided. Combined.
Ryan's wrong on this one. That's the engine only. Toyota doesn't give combined torque numbers on their synergy hybrid systems. It's been estimated by Alex on Autos 🤓 to be around 220lb torque which coincided with its 0-60 times of 7.3s on the Rav4 hybrid.
when you need to use the spare tire...i'm assuming its better to put it at the rear where its the electric motor?
Can you replace tires in pairs (front set , rear set) rather than all 4 tires if need be ?
Does this CX50 have that same complaint for the Rav4 hybrid harness corrosion (cablegate?)
Issue was fixed in 2022 models onwards. That issue was overhyped btw. I'm a 2019 Rav4 hybrid owner with over 200,000km living in Alberta. Zero issues.
Keep in mind that hybrid in Rav4 is 4th generation THS and it's due for a new redesign in a year or two. When it's released, it will come with 5th generation.
You get steering lines with the rear camera if you change the camera view
But you can’t change the camera view in a non-turbo CX 50 or the hybrid CX 50, only in the top trim turbo model
Love Mazda ❤
No mention of the missing heated steering wheel? A huge miss, heated & vented seats but no heated wheel (crazy).
Additional note: saw this tested against the Rav4 and it's 1Db quieter on the road (60mph). I would *expect* a euro brand to be quieter (as mentioned), but which one has a CUV hybrid?? I want a hybrid CUV. And I want it to run on 87 octane. And I want it loaded at
Curious to now see what the Subaru hybrid is going to contain,is it going to be this powertrain,or is Subaru going to modify it to fit one of there global boxer motors.
Subaru is modifying theirs. If you Google "2025 Japan Subaru Crosstrek Hybrid", I expect that we'll get a similar powrtrain. It's using Toyota tech integrated into the Symmetrical AWD system. Not the Toyota eAWD setup.
I would hate to see Subaru stiffen the suspension on the Forester to accommodate the higher center of gravity of an I-4. It's so luxurious compared to the rest of the segment.
I think I read somewhere Subaru will leave their awd system with driveshaft
@ correct. It will have a driveshaft.
I'm torn between this and the venza hybrid...any thoughts? Probably get a great deal on a left over discontinued venza..
Ryan idk if you saw but ford is bringing out a hybrid with a mechanical awd for the 25 Mav. I hope there are plans for you to review one👀
Interesting about your radar cruise control not working during a heavy rain. I’ve been driving my CX 50 for almost 2 years and I’ve never had any issues driving in heavy rain with the radar cruise system.🤔
You’re not supposed to use radar cruise control in heavy rain! That goes for any car brands.
@@tomcat1555 I'm not saying I've driven with the radar cruise control on during a heavy rain, but you can still get a warning that the radar cruise control/ sensing system is inactive.
Ughh.. this machine is soo attractive! Need opinion, would yall go for Mazda CX50 or Lexus NX350?
Overall great design & vehicle. My only complaint the rear design and low roofline
A lost opportunity to not give the Meridian trim the hybrid treatment
I run Wildpeaks on my CX-30 Carbon edition and I love it
I also run Wildpeak AT Trails on my Rav4 hybrid (drive cross continent every year from Canada) and really like the tires. Great grip softroading, mild off-roading, wet and snow/ice. Quiet and smooth on highway, decent handling and wear. Does give up a few MPGs being a heavier tire + tread design but well worth it for that grip. And they look great!
What are you talking about interior updates? That dash stitching has been the same on top trims from the beginning.
Speaking of Forester, where's the local review for that? The road trip video was excellent but there was footage from the local course teased.
Wish they offered a light interior in the hybrid. Black and dried-blood red get far too hot in the summer in Missouri.
Great economic as a daily car. Thanks for off road test. Greetings
You had me at spare tire
FYI the cx90/70 phev is a 2.5liter 4cylinder 😊
Odd that you get more ground clearance with the low-profile tires (worse for offroading bumps). And the wheelbase is too long for good breakover angles, which is also odd since this is marketed as more offroady than other AWD Mazdas. But its approach & departure angles seem to beat the RAV4. A Corolla Cross Hybrid with a shorter wheelbase than both might actually prove better offroad.
Oh wow, drives like a Mazda, but using Toyota’s hybrid technology. Sounds like a win! Mazda leapfrogged to the front of the compact hybrids crossovers.
Beautiful mazda.
Great review.
I really like Mazda’s but the Torsion Beam rear suspension is a big thumbs down for me. I’m very curious what the next gen CX-5 hybrid will be like
That was pretty quick “crawl” in ev mode lol😅
Wow that did very well off road for what it is. 😎. I would get 17" wheels with wild peak tires.
This is the best mazda to own because :
Transmission from toyota
Engine from toyota
Hybrid tech from toyota
Just came from Driven....but I'm more excited about this review
That guy also does great work.
Tom is great. And in case you’re curious, it is the exact same car. Tom got it after me.
@@drivingsports I always wondered about that
Why don’t cx50 have garage door opener? That’s a step backward?
If only CX5 had this instead of CX50 😩
Not big on Mazdas these days (lost me after the RX8), but even I’ll be the first to tell you that modern Mazda paint colors are absolutely stunning.
For all that pakaging and motor wonder weight of turbo vs hybrid
Reason being mazda makes less effecient on hybrid version this hybrid was purposely develop under that system while if you bolt a system to random platform mostly likely it could likely have penalty
The base hybrid price seems very reasonable. But 42K for a beam rear axle? No thanks. Also, what happens to the AWD system if the batteries become depleted? Do you get variable AWD response as the battery charge varies?
Edit: I read more about the eAWD system. I get it now: the third electric motor charges the rear AWD motors. I think you mentioned this in your review, but I did not understand what you were saying when you said it "charges the battery". It seems like a decent system, but I am very interested in how Subaru will implement the Toyota AWD system in their cars. I understand they are going to implement it into a "symmetrical" system with the gas engine sending at least some power to all 4 wheels. Seems like a much better system, but more complex and might sacrifice a bit of mileage. Overall, the CX-50 is such a nice car, it just irritates me no end that they stuck it with a beam axle and stubbornly refuse to modify the "commander" control on the infotainment system.
I think you misspoke on the combined torque figure. It’s 263 lb/ft, not 163.
If they did a PIH I'd buy it in a second but it's compelling as is
Mazda styling and j terror with Toyota powertrains…. Always best of both worlds!
Glad I went with the gas model; the 2 inches of legroom makes a big difference with a car seat in the rear. Other than that this thing is near perfect!
This Mazda is being sensible like a Toyota Venza. Admittedly without acoustic glass. But you get a much larger vehicle and a good sound system so I’ll overlook the lack of sound deadening.
This isn’t filled with gimmicks and it’ll still be a good looking car in 20 years.
Mazda isn’t competing with Toyota, rather Toyota licensed their tech out to Mazda. It’s a brilliant move for both companies.
Well, so much for a Subaru Forester getting a Rav4 hybrid engine in the future.
I do like lane centering, but not available here.
It's horrible. Fights you nonstop. It's like arguing with a car
5 inch is equal to 127 mm (9:46)
I wish this came to Australia
My CX50 has something called traffic jam assist which is active lane centering under 40mph.
Isn’t that only available on the turbo models though?
Will the CX-50 have the same cablegate issue as the Rav4?
2026 Passport Trailsport preview/review in the books?
Eventually. No eta yet.
I go with the RAV4 all the way! It's not as enjoyable to drive as some other cars, but it's more comfortable. Even though it's outdated, I still prefer the RAV4.
Rav4 also more cargo area, independent rear suspension (not torsion bar on cx50), more comfortable seats (cx50 seats are very firm) and softer suspension (worse handling but better over rough pavement and bumps).
@ Proven and tested that’s why best selling car,Make it simple RAV4 HARD TO BEAT!
If you care about handling and driving dynamics, then mazda is the way to go. The only place the rav 4 slightly edges cx 5/50 is ride quality. Overall and from experience(having owned both), mazda is far much better.
Toyota Rav4 Hybrid is a 1 year booking.
how will Toyota manage the Mazda hybrid demand as additional ?
Which one would YOU recommend? The CRV or the CX-50?
CRV hybrid.
@ thank you so much for responding! Dang my mind says CRV my heart CX-50
I wonder how this stacks up against the Signia? 🤔
I tested both and purchased a CX-50 hybrid. Signia was not fun to drive, poor acceleration
@@VaheTheGreat1 how is the seat in the Mazda? The reviews say it's not as comfortable?
@@Just_Joe71I don't remember the Signia seats but CX-50 Hybrid seats are more comfortable than 2020 CX-5 seats
One downside is Mazda warranties hybrid for 100k while Toyota warranties 150k
My friend wants one
Bye bye Sportage, Tucson, CR-V, xtrail, MG HS.... 😁😁👍👍
Read lots of owner complaints about the seats being way to firm and uncomportable !
I've test drove this car just recently. Perhaps the complaints are genuine, but coming from a large dude like myself, the seats can be described as supportive at most. They're far better than the ones in most BMWs, which are bone stiff. They're very plush, the ones in the Mazda.
My biggest complaint is the road noise. Definitely not enough cushioning and insulating in the doors and panes. Seats were not an issue, however, by any means.
I think both of your evaluations of Mazda's use of Toyota's hybrid system are off, Mazda simply doesn't have the budget to develop its own hybrid powertrain for its transverse 4 cylinder engine. I think everyone seems to forget how much smaller of a company Mazda is compared to Toyota, for example it does 100x less in yearly revenue than Toyota.
I pretty much say that in second half of the video.
@ My bad! I commented right after you said it and I agree you summed it up later on. Great review though! I always come this channel for your off road dynamics evaluations and no one does it better.
I'm in love for Mazda nowadays, I'll wait 2-3 years to upgrade from this unit when pricing is around 18-25k.😊
lets hope it doesn't have Toyota used price gouging where a 2-3 rav4 is the same price as new,
Nissan Rogue could have partnered with Toyota, too, for its hybrid power terrain. Nissan is lacking hybrid options in its brand lineup.
Nissan/Mitsubishi went with Honda
nissan is probably going to work with Renault instead of Toyota, Subaru, Mazda, Izusu, Suzuki.... all works with Toyota.
Except that Nissan has the e-Power hybrid system which isn't available in US yet
Yes, they definitely need some hybrid options. I would rather have a hybrid rogue than a three cylinder turbo rogue!
I commented a part of this on another review, but I'll mention it here as well as I watch everything you do. I do live where it gets damn cold up in Saskatchewan Canada, Mazda has seriously dropped the ball with the connected app features. You can't configure anything at all with the climate in the app, you can just remote start the thing, so you better hope you set up your climate accordingly before exiting the vehicle on the last drive. But yet they still charge you for the privilege of the app service. You also have to get the top trims in any of their vehicles to get the lane keeping assistance features. The Toyota safety suite is available on every trim right from base making the Rav4 a WAY better deal between these two, and that's where I'd spend my money
Mazda does offer their safety suite systems on all of their trims, but some of their safety features are a little bit behind from other lane centering systems, for example
@@eleanormassaro5195 No active lane keeping on the Mazda unless you get the top trims. Toyota, Subaru, and Hyundai offer that on every trim. Fine if you don't want that feature, but for those of us that do, it's a hard pill to swallow to buy that top trim
can anyone else comment if cx50 is definitely more fun to drive than rav4?
Hate when carmakers force you to use a dial to control all the infotainment
Who is better Mazda CX-50 or Toyota Venza?
no trails just shopping carts and pedestrians
What do you guys think: This or the CRV?
Mazda used Toyota hybrid technology because "they needed to compete".
Perhaps I'm ignorant : what is the percentage of buyers that say "I will not (let's be frank) lease a car unless it is a hybrid"?
Toyota also own a percentage of Mazda. But your point is good.
It’s a growing number in a very competitive segment. Anecdotally, I’ve met several people like that. “Not sure what I’m buying but I’m getting a hybrid.”
Actually quite a bit, I’m a car guy myself but I’m not a Car guy till disillusionment, I still like a comfy daily and after gas guzzler after another V8 this 300HP turbo that I want something I can just drive sometimes
As someone who works at a very large multi-brand dealership we don't get a lot of people asking for hybrid only vehicles. I would say 3 in 10 people ask specifically for it. Most prefer gas only when sales offers a hybrid option.
@ which part of the country?
ugh.. the cladding :/
Plenty of room for front legs/knees? (at my measly 5'6" height my knees kept whacking against the center console - none of that with the Outback or Forester).
Really? I’m 5 foot 6, and I don’t have an issue with that in The CX 50.
I would have loved it if they used the Ford hybrid system.....or awd system......and sync system......
Am I the only one who worries that the Hybrid Battery is under the rear seats? Has Toyota done this in their models? Other than that vital consideration, I like the vehicle and it's very comparable to the new 25 Honda CRV Hybrid Touring....maybe including some more Goodies than the CRV (cooled / ventilated front seats - lacking in the CRV) with slighly less MPGs. I would test drive the 2.5L Turbo and this model for comparison.
That’s Toyota does it on a lot of vehicles.
I was going order one until I looked at the rear suspension. Deal breaker.
Who was the idiot who decided to be a torsion bar suspension the rear. That car is going to wash out on corners with any bumps.
The other problem: Toyota quality has been dropping like a lead balloon.
I’ll wait 2 or 3 years. I wouldn’t tow anything with that rear end!
Toyota drinks pink coolant, this Mazda uses green coolant, I wonder if that's going to be a problem down the road
A v 70 is twice the price nearly- yes???
Loaded? Nearly. PHEVs don't pencil out.
@ point is why did you choose the BMw and the Volvo to compare it to in your comment??? Makes zero sense and bit jarring really.
DST I love your reviews and this is not against you, but can we please stop this whole "car review" and the negative feedback from too many out there is infotainment. Cars are meant to be driven. You wanna listen to music or use other tech then park and use your phone, please!