Not My Batman
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2024
- Kevin Conroy for life, baby.
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The Batman is a stunning and unique creative endeavor, combining a neo-noir detective aesthetic with a Fincher-esque cat and mouse plot to draw the viewer into this new, 'grounded' take on Gotham. It's got style and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't curious about where they're going with this version of Batman; but overall the film was quite disappointing. Very disappointing actually. The wingsuit scene was cool though... I guess.
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Didn’t Batman travel the world for almost 20 years (age 8-26) training so he wouldn’t make these mistakes? I usually think of Raizo in Ninja Assassin, Yoda/Darth Sidious/Mace/Anakin/Obi-Wan in Star Wars Prequel films or Adrian Veidt in Both Watchman film and comic and RE5 Albert Wesker for combat/movement and Intelligence. They are Legendary combatants they don’t need armor because they know that only the most legendary combatants can touch them. Batman is in that class as a legendary combatant and intellect without the force. If you want even add Cumberbatch/Downey Jr Sherlock Holmes for NO TECH IN COWL DETECTIVE SKILLS and Intelligence on top of everything mentioned above .Make Batman more vampiric/shinobi like again. This is so when another legendary combatant or Intellect like Ra’s Al Ghul, Bane, Hugo Strange or Deathstroke appear we can have a compelling threat that can actually defeat him not gangsters and thugs with crowbars. Lastly the fact that this Batman couldn’t deduce that those photos were taken from THE SAME DAMN HIGH ANGLE really pissed me off because even I was able to figure that out why couldn’t the world’s greatest detective?
Every iteration of Batman details different training methods over different periods of time. Most of them keep it deliberately vague to allow themselves more leeway in the future and there's no problem with that. At the end of the day, however, having your ex-MI6 butler teach you how to duck and weave and does not a Batman make.
Oh god the marvel profile checks out honestly
@@albertokorogu1258 Respectfully what does that have to do with anything? You sound like a child acting like the profile picture means I can't have a viewpoint.
@@FriendlyBatDoom Because none of what you said makes a lick of sense.
@@FriendlyBatDoom He doesn't travel the world from 8-26 years old it's for twelve years....
The classic backstory where Bruce's parents were tragically murdered in a random act of violence just for money by the type of person they were trying to help hits harder than the newer conspiracy theory angle about Thomas Wayne.
You're right, it was interesting in the tell tale games since it was a unique take on the story, but in a movie it just didn't feel right
@@zeeski7454just stop, in the movie it was great bc they weren’t actually corrupt, did y’all not hear Alfred in the hospital…
@LeSteeler the movie sucked with taken ideas from other versions batman stories, yet the sum of its parts equated to be a drawn out underwhelming boring story. The movie sucked
I find it really funny that Penguin actually honks and calls for people to get out of his way during the car chase. Sure, he just wants to get away but it by default makes his actions more considerate about the collateral damage, even including “I got you!” shortly after.
Cuz Batman built the batmobile to evade traffic better than normal cars.
@@johnnyd1824that makes zero sense
@@GOLDFISH817 how does that not make sense?
This batman felt like snake from MGSV. Cool, moody, and completely devoid of character or motivation.
I am glad to hear a constructive criticism on that movie. Since its release, I haven't seen or heard a single person say something other than ''iT's BoRiNg''. So congrats to you. I personally love this movie, but from now on, I will look at it with more awareness. Thanks!
This video was perfect, it captured all of the issues I’ve brought up in friend groups with the film in a thorough way. Great stuff
I know its so pedantic and shallow but I HATED that the only use of the Batarang in the whole was to cut a rope. The utility belt of endless gadgets is one of the most defining features of Batman as a character and the gadgets in this movie are so lame to me. Batman just fights everyone by tanking hundreds of bullets and punching them a lot, whereas I feel like most Batman iterations can fight goons with so many different weapons, as he has one for every situation, but this Batman just has nothing and just eventually wins. Also I agree Kevin Conroy is the best Batman, Rest in Peace.
Excellent video as always Lumo!
Wow he doesn’t use his batarang as a ranged weapon yet, but as a utility tool and symbol centerpiece for now?
It’s almost like he’s new to being Batman and hasn’t thought of all his gadgets yet.
It’s almost like how he doesn’t glide with a cape yet but instead uses a wingsuit, or how he doesn’t have a batwing or more advanced batmobile but instead has a big ass car, or how he hasn’t built a huge-ass batcave but instead repurposes an abandoned train depot, or how he doesn’t have detective vision yet but instead has badass camera-contacts, or how he doesn’t have smoke pellets yet but instead uses the environment, or how he doesn’t have a “playboy billionaire philanthropist” persona yet but instead is learning that he’ll need to develop one to help the city’s reconstruction and save his company and family legacy and protect his identity… wow actually, y’know what? The more I think about it, it’s almost like this Batman movie depicts a young Batman that will have CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT and NEW TECH as he GROWS in NEW MOVIES, thus providing good story-telling and a sense of real growth and badassery.
I swear, it’s almost as if the director himself said it’s a young, early version of the character only in his second year of crime-fighting and that he wants the audience to see Batman develop as a real character instead of starting off as some perfect god that already knows everything and has all his gadgets.
I’m probably wrong though, just a crazy thought of how it appears to me.
…… aaaannnndddd that, ladies and gentlemen, is how you be pedantic and shallow but also CORRECT and RATIONAL all at the same time. Take my comment as an example class 😅
@germanshepherd2701 a similar story has already been told. Batman Year One. And it was much better. Almost like a billionaire who spends 12 years traveling the world to learn ninjitsu, warfare, the art of deception and detection would be more well rounded than the one depicted in this movie.
@@germanshepherd2701 Sounds like a huge excuse for bad choreography.
@@asepsisaficionado7376 huh, u actually are dumb, rthe choreography was really good, u don't know shit, look at shit choreography vs good, you'll see the difference and how the batman fits into the good catergory,
That was my very first thoughts when I first saw the movie. "Did Batman actually accomplish anything in the movie?" Also the pacing seemed to drag on so much that I wonder how more people aren't bored to death by it.
Thank you for the video. Love hearing intelligent people talk, especially about stuff to which I agree but cannot articulate opinions on.
Yes he did. You don’t understand the movie as a whole, he was vengeance in the beginning, and in the end, he became hope, with a much better goal, a much different perspective than in the beginning.
He accomplished alot
He didn't accomplish anything, and the movie wouldn't have been different if batman wasn't in it.
@@tothbence7436 People understand that part of the movie just fine. They spell it out perfectly clear. There's nothing to misunderstand about it. Fact is, that's not exactly anything new, especially in a Batman/superhero movie. The problem is, that's not really something he "accomplishes." An accomplishment is something you strive to achieve. Him realizing he's influencing the wrong people is not an accomplishment, it's just a reveal that's put upon him that forces him to have a change of heart. Devil's advocate though, even if you could call it an accomplishment, it's too little too late at that point considering he already made everything else much worse throughout the rest of the movie.
I really don't think it dragged on so much u only say that cause it's almost 3 hrs
tbh i will say that batman being passive is a result of the long halloween storyline that the movie is based on. the original comic plays out as a mystery that takes place over a year with batman being strung along and solving things too late until the answer is pretty much handed to him after the villain pretty much wins.
I rather enjoyed the film. I similarly enjoyed his style of combat as well, and that's understanding that it isn't Batman's usual approach. Now, I'm huge on armor actually being functional in a movie, so that's likely a factor. But i believe that the fighting style makes sense for the depiction.
This Batman is very clearly depressed. I believe that it's a matter of him not letting anything he's done help. The training could have helped, but he didn't let it. He thought being the Bat, being Vengeance, would being him some comfort, but it hasn't, and he can look and see how little it's doing for Gotham, but he's not sure how to fix that, so his only idea at this point is to make the criminals more afraid. This brings me to the point of his operation in the movie: Everything Batman does smacks of Shock and Awe strategies. From the first fight scene, he's stomping towards criminals, and taking shots to the chest to show that they cannot and will not hurt him, and then pummeling people to an absolute pulp. This is not creating fear through knowledge of a smart, calculating, skilled man in an eccentric Halloween costume, this is creating a mythos of a demon unleashing pain and terror on the unjust. This is a Batman who is still so in the throes of his grief and depression that he doesn't care about his own life, and his fighting style reflects that passive unalivality. He's crafting Gotham's Dracula, an ill omen amd spectre of destruction for those who find themselves in his crosshairs
I liked this film in spite of its flaws, but I will admit that there were two moments that really ruined my immersion: Penguin causing that whole freeway pile-up with no commentary about the myriad bodies that chase left in its wake and Riddler blowing up Batman only to later act as though they were supposed to be collaborators later on.
The infamous karma cuts are a nice touch
I really do enjoy & appreciate your video essays. Not only your conclusions but your route to said overall conclusions. Great work xXxXx 😊xXxXx
I saw "The Batman" in theatres and thought it so good and cool, etc. Now, just from reading your description alone, I genuinely couldn't tell you the plot of this movie. I will say, the next couple of sentences are from my memory; please don't hate on me. The Riddler didn't really feel like the MAIN villian, like how is the dude who literally killed someone in the first 30 seconds of the movie on the backburner? I did not like Catwoman in this version, and didn't really undersrand why Batman had to help her. Forgive me, but I just remembered that THE PENGUIN WAS IN THIS MOVIE???? I THINK??? I'm missing a big chunk of this movie but I can't exactly place my finger on it...was it after the debate stadium exploded? Wasn't the Joker in this movie as well, or am I stretching??? Someone help me...
Joker was in the post credit scene
I think you need to get your memory check because they thoroughly explain and show why Batman had to help Catwoman in the movie. She's literally integral to the plot...
Thank you for making this, I can send it to people when they ask me why I don’t like this movie.
Your analysis is great. You defo got an a star for English literature in school😂
The Second Son karma birds was a great thematic touch.
finally someone said it
You're right about "The Batman" imperfections, but the movie's neo-noir look, gritty storyline, and unique psychological depiction of Batman make up for all of them. I like it, anyway! Still, I would have given his villains their comic-book gadgets, so their fight scenes would be evenly matched. The Penguin, Joker, and Riddler needed more screentime and combat with Batman, for greater comic book accuracy and exciting fight scenes. Their iconic sci-fi tech and super intelligence would also explain police dependence on Batman to solve supervillain cases and apprehend paranormal suspects. Locked-room murders with matter transmitters and rayguns might stump forensic scientists! A suspect with a robot-convertible battle car and powered armor like a space marine may be too much for a SWAT team to bust! More advanced technology, such as force field-assisted powered armor, such as Iron Man or Black Panther wear, cloaking devices, scanners, and stun rays, would also logically explain his survival and code against killing. I would have made the movie R-rated, for greater realism and to better fit the Neo-Noir/gangster/slasher/conspiracy thriller plot and villains. As a detective, this would allow Batman to do autopsies and psychological profiling, like in CSI, Sherlock-Scan people like in "Sherlock", and remotely-scan gory crime scenes. It would also make gangsters, serial killers, youth gangs, and terrorists more menacing if they shoot people in slow motion, and cuss like sailors. The Riddler's murders would look scarier if they looked like "Saw" or "Silence of the Lambs!" Hallucination and flashback scenes would better show both Batman's and the Riddler's mental health. It would allow the movie to explore both Bruce Wayne's playboy lifestyle and the Batman/Catwoman relationship with kinky nude erotic thriller and teen sex comedy bedroom scenes.
Really good work here, man. Subbed and can't wait to see your growth.
lots of people i know loved this batman and i just could not understand why.
Me either
I think it's the Twilight fans being nostalgic about Pattinson.....he kinda had a vibe that his Batman is in that universe as well 💀.....terrible movie I have no idea why it was made
@@ParaplegicKeanuReeves my god you need to read a comic book
I like this movie because I didn’t know what was going on and the cinematography was good.
Just wanted to say that i really appreciate your content. In a world full of brain dead surface level takes, its refreshing to see creators so eloquently puting my thoughts to video. Unfortunately the people who need to see this video couldn't care less but hopefully future film makers will see these critiques and make better decisions with IPs
Screenplay allegedly was stolen so could explain why movie has no voice.
Is that true? I'm not familiar with this.
Allegedly. Chris wozniak filed a lawsuit that reeves used elements of his script and ripped scenes like alfred opening the letter bomb, except it was gordon? In his script. The judge ruled against him for using batman in a spdc script which is standard peactice, making the ruling seem…odd
Damn shame this channel isn't any bigger than it should be.
Interesting. I got maybe 10 minutes into the film and was so bored I had to stop. Since it did so well in the box office, I keep thinking maybe I reacted to quickly but I tend to be a pretty good judge of a movie's quality (or at least how I will perceive that quality based on my preferences/likes) and this one was a dud. It's interesting to see a film breakdown what made the film not work. Pretty much a passive protagonist with the plot happening not based on logic but because "events" need to happen because the writer wants them to happen vs. the writer making it possible/logical that the events would happen based on character action/motivation.
Last I recall, this is early Batman...like year two I think
I love and personally consider Roger Craig Smith Batman voice and interpretation of character imo THE BEST Batman.
Thats pretty underground.
Really good video. Id stop using Kevin Spacey clips though lmao
Thank you so much for this video. Batman is very dear to me and I can't stand the people who praise this incarnation of him.
This was a movie of all time.
I mean tbh besides him blowing that glass up like that you're definitely reaching lkke very far bro you're going to dislocate your arm 😂
I believe it was a satire film about the worlds greatest detective
Dank. But where's dragged across concrete breakdown?
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this movie is less batman then the 1940s batman
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Agreed, i don't know why people love this movie. I love batman but i absolutely hated this movie
This has got to be one of my favorite videos on this movie. Perfectly sums up why this movie does not work on many levels. A couple things that I would correct you on though.
Batman never really "abandoned" Gordon during the gun fight. I think it took him a while to rev up his batmobile to distract and intimidate the penguin and his goons which saved Gordon and Selina and Gordon was able to slip into another vehicle unharmed.
Riddler makes clear during the interrogation scene that he targeted Bruce not because of his relationship to Thomas Wayne but because he finds him to be a phony orphan and that after the Waynes died he basically stole the attention from the "real" orphans who needed help the most.
I would like to add on that. The fire you complained about behind Batman in the upside-down shot wasn't even caused by Batman and ppl weren't near it. You can see in the DA's death scene, he actually covers his face when he braces for the blast. Selina's attraction to Batman can be questioned throughout all of their iterations, movies, games and even comics. Riddler used his arrest to distract the cops and Batman from his final step b4 they could stop it. The thumb drive was what made Batman and Gordon take Riddler more seriously. All in all, this movie is show that Batman is learning to become the World's Greatest Detective or that he didn't become it overnight. Out here expecting Year 5-10 Batman from Year 2 Batman.
Vid got me looking like 😝
Ur wrong he is THE BATMAN
What makes him "THE BATMAN?"
@@LUMOSHROOM He doesn't kill people, he doesn't use guns, he's borderline sewerslidal and insane, he's lucky, he's got that intimidation factor down to a tee, and he's appropriately emo. And in the context of this story he's apathetic at least in this part of his career.
@@albertokorogu1258 He may be all of those things but he's not competent.
I've seen this movie 4 times now and during each of those viewings I was waiting for Batman to show up; but he never did.
Maybe the next one will get it right.
@@LUMOSHROOM Was this supposed to be some type of rebuttal because I'm very confused what this was.
It's like you said a lot of things but none of them amounted to anything.
@@LUMOSHROOM Also in the video you contradict yourself several times saying that his Batman is not as proactive in the story and taking a very passive role and saying that you value things such as scene fluidity and logic in movies, yet use other Batmen as examples of how Batman should be in live-action. Which arguably suffer from this problem much worse. Also the usage of trying to explain how Batman should fight while using Batman Begins footage is truly a choice in my opinion.
Your critiques are paradoxical, you're placing the movie in a grounded real-world logic that was never really established for this version of Batman and judging it by that yet are also fine and expect more when it comes to Batman's fighting style?? Like I get saying that you were just disappointed by the movie in some ways but trying to make that criticism seems a little stupid in my opinion.
Yeah but
But wut? Out with it!
this movie was more the typical superhero movie than a batman movie
How so ?
Ehh... it's definitely overrated but I wouldn't drag it down that far.
No it objectively wasn't
I've tried to like this movie but Batman is just too hilariously amateur.
26:35 Wait. Hold up
Don't people like Shrek 2 because it's a comedy that was *meant* to make people feel good? You should have used a better example like Schindler's List or American History X.
I don't like those films because I like seeing people die. I like those movies because they're well filmed, well acted, have interesting messages, etc.
Shrek 2 is just another generic cliche comedy compared to those films. Its legit on Avengers level. I don't even like Avengers. But Shrek and Avengers are basically for little kids. 😅
That's such a weird comparison. What other reason would a person watch Shrek outside of *feeling good* ? Did you watch Shrek 2 while being miserable? Because that sounds more like masochism. Which is cool, but if that movie didn't make you *feel good* then you probably missed the point.
Lol I'm glad I didn't watch this movie
Give it a try, it’s very good. A new iteration, new perspective, a thrilling story which is almost like a comic book shuffle. Great Batman stuff, better than Affleck’s for sure. I disagree with the video itself, I want to write a comment, but I think he misunderstands some scenes and the world of this Batman. Thx if you read this or reply.
Make your own opinions instead of projecting yourself on the youtuber.
It sucked. There's better ways to spend 3 hours of your life, and I'm a huge batman fan
@@zeeski7454 Oh something is gonna suck alright, and it's not gonna be the movie 😈
@@biscoitomolhado3641 AYO
this movie is my masterpiece i took everything you said in account you are completely right you laid it out nicely evidence was handed to him in his investigation and he isn’t completely aware of the collateral damage around him especially in that car scene i wondered the same thing reeves could’ve easily did a split second scene of traffic stopping to help the other civilians get out there cars they could’ve easily made a news report of them blaming batman for the highway scene n it’s casualties making a decisive menacing prospective of batman being reckless that would’ve made sense i’ll give you that but it is true this batman is new mentally batman has always been this broken kid still crying n yearning for his parents so i see why you call him unhinged but ur criticism is why this batman has to grow internationally for the city and his own psyche this was to show that this batman isn’t perfect we’ve always seen a batman where when he starts out he had everything planned from the beginning his code his suit his utilities and how he wanted to strike fear into these criminals but this batman is so believable because he’s making major mistakes in his take off THATS WHY WE LOVE IT this bruce hasn’t traveled the world or met the league of assassins yet so ofc he thinks hes relying on his armor ofc he can’t directly jump out of the shadows like a ninja yet because he hasn’t been trained by them yet this is why we love it you could call it mediocre because it isn’t source material competent but this film is a way of saying in his 10-20 shit even 30 years to come as batman this MAN HAS A LOT TO LEARN AB HIMSELF AND HIS CITY also what i want to touch up on i feel like most adaptions we’ve seen batman start off in his early 30s late 20s this bruce looks 2 years post college and he’s more interested in his own interests then trying to run a billion dollar company to me this batman is still a kid visually and mentally with still one training wheel on his bike that he has to overcome anyways ur critical claims were amazing you did ur homework you over analyzed to ur fullest and i respect that a man with acceptable judgement i can take criticism but it’s a comic book film man let us have our shit 🙏🏾
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Ok..But batman 1989 causes several deaths
And Nolan Batman is honestly really bland.
And man. Don't get me started on all the deaths batman caused in the arkham games
Oh man. Remember Batman and Robin?
Oh geez. I forgot to bring up the comics..Remember killing joke-
Ok, but just because one thing did something, that doesn't mean another one can also just do with no other reason
Nolan's Batman objectively had the most character profession out of any film internation. He had more character in the first half of Begins than Pattinson had in all of 3 hours.
Idk what the Killing Joke part of the comment is tryna imply
@@dixonb.tweenerlegs4225 One movie doesn't fix a two and a half movie blunder. Nice try but no, he's not on par.
Not interested in your take.
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Just stop, he’s everyone’s Batman…the film is successful for a reason…he’s smart, stealthy, and a good detective while still learning…Matt Reeves and Robert Pattinson cooked
Got any examples of him being smart, stealthy or a good detective?
He's not...glad you liked the movie though
I’ve never been so disappointed, bored annoyed and embarrassed at a movie since the joker