I am honestly shocked they were genuine with the child alien, I was anticipating another "small innocent creature is actually horrible monster" example, but dang! That's actually pretty disturbing, shows how their captors REALLY don't care
@AIuzky Not sure if you've been outside but nature is brutal... most animals in a zoo would be eaten alive at some point in the wild or die from an easily preventable cause. Seriously go watch a few of the thousands of videos of animals being eaten alive, it's horrifying. Ever heard a bat screeching as a Komodo dragon swallows it whole and you can hear it screeching the entire way down? Sure a few smarter species get bored and depressed in a zoo and they shouldn't be there but 99% of the animals in zoo's (good zoos anyway) have a wonderful and happy life. Most animals don't come close to being as intelligent and as self aware as humans and have no idea they're 'captive', they just know they have a safe place to live, clean water and daily food plus some entertainment.
@@pokemonfanmario7694 Learning what lesson? Considering even normal hunting as murder is nothing but shoving some ideology down the viewers' throats. What's next? Veganism is the one and only salute? 🙄😒
You know, I'm perfectly happy with The Orville. I was worried it would just be Star Trek parody - but it totally isn't. The humour is exactly the sort of stuff I I thought when I learned that Spock had a mating season that drove him mad, or when Kirk battled a slow moving lizard. The jokes just write themselves. The Sci-fi is totally on-point AND it's a well developed soap opera with character arcs that take episodes to develop. It's really everything I want in a sci-fi series at this point - I just hope it gets 3 to 5 more seasons.
@@HeatherSpoonheim I agree, but... a few things annoys me in the orville... the name... union central? sounds like a train station, the ship design is very very ugly and very same same and the kaylons looks like kids in budget halloween customes... everything else about the orville is top notch.. watching both seasons have been a great joy and I hope for more seasons soon... that said, the next generation star trek universe is still more interesting than the orville universe even if the orville universe seems a lot more real (they watch movies, play games etc). And I do not consider star trek picard, star trek discovery and star trek strange new worlds to be star trek at all...
@@tj71520 I think 'The Orville' (name and design) and 'Union Central' were conceived of when it was supposed to primarily be a comedy. I don't think they realized it could/would become a legit sci-fi show.
@@HeatherSpoonheim I think you are right. It would be cool if they kept both timelines as the alternate timeline has a very nice star wars feeling to it. Both star trek and star wars have been utterly destroyed and need replacements.
@@tj71520 You know, I am subbed to Disney+ for the Marvel content - and I have not watched the last Star Wars movie. It's right there, free with my subscription, and I just can't bring myself to watch it.
@@baptistepg8707 Currently re-watching TNG and while it makes points you can call political, they are usually generalized (so you don't think "Oh, this is because of the refugee crisis." Or "Oh, this is because of Trump') and both sides are at least considered. In many episodes of TNG the morality presented isn't black & white, it makes you think. Nothing I've seen from Trek post Enterprise has had that effect.
Honestly, considering how good of a show it is, it's good they moved it off of network TV. Too much censorship, time slot issues, etc. Now we get longer, more in-depth episodes and they can play it looser with the language.
I also like that they never really *resolved* the Kalavon zoo. Isaac managed to negotiate getting Ed, Kelly and Beral but if I’m remembering correctly, the others trapped in the zoo were still there by the end. It goes to show that not every problem has a solution and the Kalavon just *are* that powerful
Yup - I think, at the end of season 3, if the Union really wanted to, they could possibly force the issue then. But that's a maybe rather than a definitely.
This show is so much closer to the original Star Treks, ST Discovery doesnt even hold a candle. They play on current social issues in a non-confrontational way. Very clever.
Tbf there are quite a lot of times where these sorts of shows did make the analogy really obvious and exaggerated but everything is still written well so people aren't annoyed by it, and possibly actually change their minds from the analogy (or are just too dumb to notice lmao) So basically, stop being bad writers 4head but unironically
'Star Trek Discovery' is the worst joke ever... I was expecting it to get canned by the end of season2, yet it got renewed. Who ever is in charge at CBS - do they even know Star Trek and do they listen to the fans? 😑
Humans for many centuries considered humans of other "races" to be intellectually and even morally inferior, and many still do today. They held up their technology, or religion, or whatever thing of theirs they valued, as proof of their superiority.
They aren’t any smarter jsut more advanced Jsut like humans we aren’t smarter then the ancient humans we jsut under stand more stuff and have more technology And we have a bad habit of assumeing advancement= intellect so do the caliban Like the cooonisers saw natives as sadvages and idiots animals even
I'm not a big fan of Seth MacFarlane, but this is what Star Trek Discovery should have been more like. Instead of that tiresome single season story arc and that ridiculous spore drive nonsense.
This was already done on Star Trek. The pilot episode of the original series called "The Cage" Capt. Christopher Pike is taken captive and put into a cage for a zoo-like exhibit. There's also a Twilight Zone episode where this thing happens.
Enterprise had a huge single season story arc, did you hate that too? If Discovery had been like this people would have complained that they weren't doing anything new, just recycling old Star Trek plots. Disco's first season wasn't the best, but the second season is off to a good start. Orville is fun, and works as a parody, but as the real thing it would have been utterly disappointing. Enterprise was canceled because the fans grew tired of the same recycled stories and plots and didn't tune in again. They would've shunned this as well...
One of my favorite things about this show is that not everything works out for in them at the end. Like ST, even if the main characters live, bad stuff happens to them and not all issues are resolved. In this case, the zoo still exists and there are no plans to ever disband it. If anything the new exhibit (reality tv) will probably make things worse for the live exhibits. The zookeepers will either lessen the amenities provided to them or force bad and stressful stimuli on them to make them as entertaining as the Jersey Shore. It isn’t a good thing for them, but it’s good that this is more than a ST parody like it was portrayed in the commercials. If idiots don’t cancel it, it could be something amazing.
Lauren O: Agreed! I call the Star Trek endings, "convenient endings" cause that's what they seem to be; everything conveniently concluded, but for the better. Dark Matter had convenient endings too. Still, this is NOT to say I don't like Star Trek though.
Or the issue with the Moclan girl. At the end everything went wrong and they did not plan to resolve the issue. The girl evetually became a boy, despite all the efforts. What happened, just did and that's how it is.
It’s arguably one of the best ways to be social conscious in media. It doesn’t follow a “good guy bad guy” plot line and allows each characters perspectives to equally come out and equally be challenged. It’s stuff like this that made the old Star Trek special. No crew member ever felt _completely_ above one another despite rank and that allowed every word said some merit. It’s something only Star Trek managed to combine with a sense of wonder and adventure. I miss that feeling.
The very last scene of this episode where the aliens' eyes beam with joyous light when they discovered the miracle of human reality TV had me laughing so hard that I almost had diarrhea.
Great show! Only found it a few days ago but finished both seasons in 2 days👌🏾 brilliant writing, tackles some big topics and some well timed humour and references to loads of other sci-fi shows/films. Can’t wait for season 3👀
0:54 the green alien is wearing a necklace, but the gold center is the Austro-Hungarian (or Russian Empire) double-headed eagle. Probably a replica medal that was added to his costume lol. Still nice little thing I noticed.
the issue i have with shows like this is that 1; their sentience is clearly not above that of their "exhibits" so the comparisson to animals doesn't even make sense, they litterally speak the same language even, (somehow everyone speaks english, how odd) 2) they try to moralise it but who is to say that society will find the ideology expressed by the protagonists (in general, not just in this episode) will win out especially given how controversial it allready is, they don't care if something makes sense as long as it fits in that framework
He's been unfairly painted a certain way by people who can't be arsed to research what he actually does in shows with his name attached so gets attacked for everything from the writing, directing and every creative decision. People actually think his characters views, which I've found are often taken out of context and told through third hand accounts, are his own.
well that and most zoo nowadays have more happy enclosures for the animals and the animals actually get to bond with the keepers so much less like a prison.
It's a real conundrum. Animals should be in their natural environment, but human encroachment has pushed many species to the brink of extinction. Zoos may be the only place they can survive, at least for now.
Jacqueline Morici Issac's species has a very tentative relationship with the Union, based more on curiosity than cooperation. That's the main reason Issac is part of the crew, to further diplomatic relations with the Union, but for Issac's people it's so they can have a better understanding of organic lifeforms. Going to war with the Calabans to rescue a few hundred or even a few thousand captured organics doesn't really do them any favors, and actually just pisses off the only organic species they see as an equal. I wouldn't be surprised if Issac's people did the same thing. The only reason they don't is because they prefer a more scientific approach, observing organics in their "natural state".
TheDoctor2nd observation of a great war of that level may also interest them. What would the most advanced species react to a betrayal or the idea of war? Would they break down, would they underestimate their apponents, would they surrender? No one knows. For all we know after the current villains they may use these guys as the next arc.
Carter Studying a war could be interesting, but for the Calabans it wouldn't be war, more akin to extermination. Think of it less as Klingons vs Starfleet and more the humans in Rise of the Planet of the Apes. To the Calabans we would be the intelligent apes; smarter than normal sure, but still not seen as equal or even as truly sentient. It would have been pretty easy for us to wipe out the apes had the Simian Flu not decimated the planet. Watching something like that doesn't appeal to Issac's people.
This is the kind of situation where you visit vengeance upon these people when you get your freedom. Also illustrates the more basic point that "rights" are always defined by those who have the capacity for violence. And if you don't have that, you can't get the rights you feel you deserve.
As a kid, I had a book with a very similar story. Only it took place on a ship flown by a hunter collecting for the zoo. The main character was a human teen who was captured.
Except animals aren't just "technologically inferior" to humans, they're fundamentally "inferior" in the sense that they lack human's concept-formation faculty - for animals it's sensation and perception. Only Man has the capacity for conception. Putting animals in zoos is not the same as putting sentient people in zoos. What's being shown here is much more akin to simple imprisonment or slavery - were one, more advanced, group of people captures a more primitive group of people. I mean, I know what they where going for here, some sort of animal rights message, fair enough, but it falls on it's face in execution here the more you think about it. It would have been closer to animals in a zoo if the species outside the cages were radically more advanced then the humans/aliens - something so far beyond us we can't even comprehend their level of consciousness.
When we think about how humans put other humans in zoos, this show does kind of miss the point. It would have been better if the aliens played up their own superiority in their minds, since a truly advanced race would have no need for zoos in the first place
Mighty Minority or maybe, we are in zoos now but we are just to inferior perceive that we are. Basically another for of the “we are in a simulation” theory.
Mighty Minority Who’s missing the point here? The aliens here are not superior, they think they are so they ravel into imprisonments of other species. We don’t need zoos anymore, we are sufficiently advanced so we can admire animals in their habitats through documentaries and films. Yet here we are.
Humans are not the or a higher species. No species is higher or lower than any other. There's no possible metric for such a thing. Insects, Arachnids, Fish, Mammals, Reptiles, Birds, Crustaceans, all creatures think and feel as research shows, as it also shows all living beings have subjective experience and the same capability for consciousness we have (can only measure capability, we can't prove consciousness in ourselves, other humans, or other creatures, so capability is the term used). Even if no creature thought or felt, they are still living organisms as is all life and should be treated with Love, care and respect, as with all Life too. Use harmless repellents to avoid and prevent infestations and gently and carefully move them from your home if they are there. Ironically harmless repellents are also the most effective method and when the proper repellent is used (usually Plants or Oils) and is properly harmless, then it is exactly that.
That moment when a parody of Star Trek has more respect for it and had become better than the current "Star Trek" that is simply an insult to the fans.
this looks high budget and low budget at the same time lol
Pearlie Grace the show in a nutshell! Great acting and story though!!! I think fox gives it more money now that it’s doing so well!
All night, all night... is there..... yeah I ain’t singing man!
This show is the best period!
Like an actual zoo lol
I love that aspect.. because Star trek was always a bit of both, and this is done in the same style
totally by design
I am honestly shocked they were genuine with the child alien, I was anticipating another "small innocent creature is actually horrible monster" example, but dang! That's actually pretty disturbing, shows how their captors REALLY don't care
There are definitely a number of comparisons in this episode that I would compare to a zoo here on earth.
@AIuzkyyea but in the Orville, humanity has learnt their lesson and treats even normal hunting as 'murder'.
@AIuzky Not sure if you've been outside but nature is brutal... most animals in a zoo would be eaten alive at some point in the wild or die from an easily preventable cause.
Seriously go watch a few of the thousands of videos of animals being eaten alive, it's horrifying.
Ever heard a bat screeching as a Komodo dragon swallows it whole and you can hear it screeching the entire way down?
Sure a few smarter species get bored and depressed in a zoo and they shouldn't be there but 99% of the animals in zoo's (good zoos anyway) have a wonderful and happy life.
Most animals don't come close to being as intelligent and as self aware as humans and have no idea they're 'captive', they just know they have a safe place to live, clean water and daily food plus some entertainment.
@@pokemonfanmario7694 as inevitably one day we will, if we don't destroy ourselves before that day comes.
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Learning what lesson? Considering even normal hunting as murder is nothing but shoving some ideology down the viewers' throats. What's next? Veganism is the one and only salute? 🙄😒
The Orville is Star Trek in all but name, its absolutely brilliant! Give Mcfarlane control of a Star Trek Series and restore it to what it should be!
You know, I'm perfectly happy with The Orville. I was worried it would just be Star Trek parody - but it totally isn't. The humour is exactly the sort of stuff I I thought when I learned that Spock had a mating season that drove him mad, or when Kirk battled a slow moving lizard. The jokes just write themselves. The Sci-fi is totally on-point AND it's a well developed soap opera with character arcs that take episodes to develop. It's really everything I want in a sci-fi series at this point - I just hope it gets 3 to 5 more seasons.
@@HeatherSpoonheim I agree, but... a few things annoys me in the orville... the name... union central? sounds like a train station, the ship design is very very ugly and very same same and the kaylons looks like kids in budget halloween customes... everything else about the orville is top notch.. watching both seasons have been a great joy and I hope for more seasons soon... that said, the next generation star trek universe is still more interesting than the orville universe even if the orville universe seems a lot more real (they watch movies, play games etc). And I do not consider star trek picard, star trek discovery and star trek strange new worlds to be star trek at all...
@@tj71520 I think 'The Orville' (name and design) and 'Union Central' were conceived of when it was supposed to primarily be a comedy. I don't think they realized it could/would become a legit sci-fi show.
@@HeatherSpoonheim I think you are right. It would be cool if they kept both timelines as the alternate timeline has a very nice star wars feeling to it. Both star trek and star wars have been utterly destroyed and need replacements.
@@tj71520 You know, I am subbed to Disney+ for the Marvel content - and I have not watched the last Star Wars movie. It's right there, free with my subscription, and I just can't bring myself to watch it.
To people saying “this feels like Star Trek” this is pretty much the pilot episode of the original series
So, yeah, it’s gonna be some good stuff
So they aren't wrong.
The intention in the pilot was different. They weren't ill intentioned or degrading towards the humans.
That... that was Star Trek, right down to the subtle social commentary.
Benedict J Larkin subtle?
I will not call it subtle
Wait i thought that people hated that StarbTrek was "suddenly" politicized :p
@@baptistepg8707
Currently re-watching TNG and while it makes points you can call political, they are usually generalized (so you don't think "Oh, this is because of the refugee crisis." Or "Oh, this is because of Trump') and both sides are at least considered.
In many episodes of TNG the morality presented isn't black & white, it makes you think.
Nothing I've seen from Trek post Enterprise has had that effect.
I mean, I wouldn't exactly say subtle...
So glad a show like this can exist on network tv.
Unfortunately not anymore. After Disney bough Fox they decided to take it and move it Hulu (Disney own Hulu).
@goat grill9 it's actually good they moved, they can make longer episodes now. seth said that every episode of the 3rd season is like a little movie.
@@Siegfried1917 hour long,
This didn't age well.
Honestly, considering how good of a show it is, it's good they moved it off of network TV. Too much censorship, time slot issues, etc. Now we get longer, more in-depth episodes and they can play it looser with the language.
If you loved the 80's\90's style of star trek then this is definately going to take you back.
Yes
this is actually a Twilight zone episode from 50 years ago.so...NO.
@@gestapo81 YES
I also like that they never really *resolved* the Kalavon zoo. Isaac managed to negotiate getting Ed, Kelly and Beral but if I’m remembering correctly, the others trapped in the zoo were still there by the end. It goes to show that not every problem has a solution and the Kalavon just *are* that powerful
Yup - I think, at the end of season 3, if the Union really wanted to, they could possibly force the issue then. But that's a maybe rather than a definitely.
Closer to Star Trek than STD and so funny. Best show for years!
std heh
Ha, you wrote STD!
A Sexually Transmitted Disease?
Does everyone use the word STD for comic effect ?
Sounds like a disease..
@@goofygrandlouis6296 Yup
This show is so much closer to the original Star Treks, ST Discovery doesnt even hold a candle.
They play on current social issues in a non-confrontational way. Very clever.
Most shows today seems to have an agenda, its so tiring. Even though I actually kinda like the new Star Trek shows, i liked this one more.
Seth is good at social commentary in a non lecturing way I think that's why I'm a big fan of him
Tbf there are quite a lot of times where these sorts of shows did make the analogy really obvious and exaggerated but everything is still written well so people aren't annoyed by it, and possibly actually change their minds from the analogy (or are just too dumb to notice lmao)
So basically, stop being bad writers 4head but unironically
'Star Trek Discovery' is the worst joke ever... I was expecting it to get canned by the end of season2, yet it got renewed.
Who ever is in charge at CBS - do they even know Star Trek and do they listen to the fans? 😑
Seth Mcfarlane should have been Kevin Feige of Star Trek Universe.
Where's the explosions? Where's millions of people dying? This isn't the Star Trek I grew up with one year ago!
Xddddd
The Cat Man probably because it’s not star trek
@@lmhenzz whoosh
@@lmhenzz 9/10 StarTrek fans would disagree :DDD
I know.. it is better.
Nothing about the Caliban seems superior in intelligence.
J.D. Matthias They have teleportation and the Kaylons didn’t approach them.
They don treat other species as lesser not because of intelligence. They see a species as lesser if there less technologically advanced then the are.
Humans for many centuries considered humans of other "races" to be intellectually and even morally inferior, and many still do today. They held up their technology, or religion, or whatever thing of theirs they valued, as proof of their superiority.
They aren’t any smarter jsut more advanced
Jsut like humans we aren’t smarter then the ancient humans we jsut under stand more stuff and have more technology
And we have a bad habit of assumeing advancement= intellect so do the caliban
Like the cooonisers saw natives as sadvages and idiots animals even
@@Slopmaster Were the Kaylons afraid of them? I wondered now they're allies, they could go 'liberate' some zoos
There’s probably places like this in the universe
And some of these have humans in it
There's places like that one earth.
You mean like Reality TV?
the j.s do this to you here silly
I'm not a big fan of Seth MacFarlane, but this is what Star Trek Discovery should have been more like. Instead of that tiresome single season story arc and that ridiculous spore drive nonsense.
This was already done on Star Trek. The pilot episode of the original series called "The Cage" Capt. Christopher Pike is taken captive and put into a cage for a zoo-like exhibit. There's also a Twilight Zone episode where this thing happens.
@@GuitarGuyChrisB
I've seen every episode of star trek from the original series pilot all the way up through the latest episode of discovery.
@@nathanventura548 I'm in the process! My wife and I have binged the cannon from TOS through Voyager. We're about to start Enterprise.
@@GuitarGuyChrisB
I love Enterprise. It's really underrated and in my opinion I think it's an excellent prequel to the series.
Enterprise had a huge single season story arc, did you hate that too? If Discovery had been like this people would have complained that they weren't doing anything new, just recycling old Star Trek plots. Disco's first season wasn't the best, but the second season is off to a good start. Orville is fun, and works as a parody, but as the real thing it would have been utterly disappointing. Enterprise was canceled because the fans grew tired of the same recycled stories and plots and didn't tune in again. They would've shunned this as well...
One of my favorite things about this show is that not everything works out for in them at the end. Like ST, even if the main characters live, bad stuff happens to them and not all issues are resolved. In this case, the zoo still exists and there are no plans to ever disband it. If anything the new exhibit (reality tv) will probably make things worse for the live exhibits. The zookeepers will either lessen the amenities provided to them or force bad and stressful stimuli on them to make them as entertaining as the Jersey Shore. It isn’t a good thing for them, but it’s good that this is more than a ST parody like it was portrayed in the commercials. If idiots don’t cancel it, it could be something amazing.
its shit
nice bait first name
Lauren O: Agreed! I call the Star Trek endings, "convenient endings" cause that's what they seem to be; everything conveniently concluded, but for the better. Dark Matter had convenient endings too. Still, this is NOT to say I don't like Star Trek though.
Or the issue with the Moclan girl. At the end everything went wrong and they did not plan to resolve the issue. The girl evetually became a boy, despite all the efforts. What happened, just did and that's how it is.
It’s arguably one of the best ways to be social conscious in media. It doesn’t follow a “good guy bad guy” plot line and allows each characters perspectives to equally come out and equally be challenged. It’s stuff like this that made the old Star Trek special. No crew member ever felt _completely_ above one another despite rank and that allowed every word said some merit. It’s something only Star Trek managed to combine with a sense of wonder and adventure. I miss that feeling.
"We are not your Shamoo!!" Best line ever...
2:48 "Yeah, well that was hundreds of years ago so you tell me who's more advanced...HEY! WE ARE NOT YOUR SHAMU!"
I'm just glad he didn't say Harambe. Too soon.
That SHAMU quote is the best
When Ed said that I felt like he was speaking for all the orcas who kept captive in a aquatic tank at sea world
Love this show...made me wanna watch that twilight zone episode...”people are alike all over”....great stuff
The very last scene of this episode where the aliens' eyes beam with joyous light when they discovered the miracle of human reality TV had me laughing so hard that I almost had diarrhea.
Its a shame they couldn't get more aliens in this episode, very great opurtuntiy for world building
Enigma Allan a great opportunity indeed
This was marketed as a Star Trek parody, even though it's way more of a Spiritual successor that happens to have a comedical twist
It's still not as good as red drawf
Better than enterprise
Why can't the new Star Treks be like this ? 🤦♀️
Because Kurtzman is an idiot.
@@m.k.v.g.7203 Sums it up xD.
Great show! Only found it a few days ago but finished both seasons in 2 days👌🏾 brilliant writing, tackles some big topics and some well timed humour and references to loads of other sci-fi shows/films. Can’t wait for season 3👀
Talk about being trapped in your personal Hell with your ex and with Pinhead.
0:54 the green alien is wearing a necklace, but the gold center is the Austro-Hungarian (or Russian Empire) double-headed eagle. Probably a replica medal that was added to his costume lol. Still nice little thing I noticed.
I just saw that too, I didn't realize there were aliens loyal to the Tsar/Kaiser
(It's actually my favorite coat-of-arms)
Love this scene ! One if the best . I was going to cancel hulu until i found out orville was on it ! Cant wait for season 3 . Please more !!
I know it's a bit heavy for this show, but human zoos WERE a thing.
We even put humans in zoos, specifically for the world fairs or whatever it was.
the issue i have with shows like this is that
1; their sentience is clearly not above that of their "exhibits" so the comparisson to animals doesn't even make sense, they litterally speak the same language even, (somehow everyone speaks english, how odd)
2) they try to moralise it but who is to say that society will find the ideology expressed by the protagonists (in general, not just in this episode) will win out especially given how controversial it allready is, they don't care if something makes sense as long as it fits in that framework
I just realized people are hating on this show because... Seth MacFarline
why the people dont lie seth macfarline?
He's been unfairly painted a certain way by people who can't be arsed to research what he actually does in shows with his name attached so gets attacked for everything from the writing, directing and every creative decision. People actually think his characters views, which I've found are often taken out of context and told through third hand accounts, are his own.
He sucks at acting.
Because today’s pc world is not compatible with his masterful comedy.
@@chillpenguin9578 masterful comedy such as family guy
I think about this scene every time I see an animal in a zoo. Even though I know that some animals are safer in one
well that and most zoo nowadays have more happy enclosures for the animals and the animals actually get to bond with the keepers so much less like a prison.
Safety is the opposite of freedom
It's a real conundrum. Animals should be in their natural environment, but human encroachment has pushed many species to the brink of extinction. Zoos may be the only place they can survive, at least for now.
Best show in T.V..so well written and acted can't wait for season 3
what if the Union declared war on the Calabans to liberate the captives? also, that guy they first really talk to looks like Hellraiser.
but what about Issac's species? if things go well, they'd be equal, right?
Agreed with the Hellraiser thing, but I don’t think the Union has the firepower to impress the “superior minds.”
Jacqueline Morici Issac's species has a very tentative relationship with the Union, based more on curiosity than cooperation. That's the main reason Issac is part of the crew, to further diplomatic relations with the Union, but for Issac's people it's so they can have a better understanding of organic lifeforms. Going to war with the Calabans to rescue a few hundred or even a few thousand captured organics doesn't really do them any favors, and actually just pisses off the only organic species they see as an equal. I wouldn't be surprised if Issac's people did the same thing. The only reason they don't is because they prefer a more scientific approach, observing organics in their "natural state".
TheDoctor2nd observation of a great war of that level may also interest them. What would the most advanced species react to a betrayal or the idea of war? Would they break down, would they underestimate their apponents, would they surrender? No one knows. For all we know after the current villains they may use these guys as the next arc.
Carter Studying a war could be interesting, but for the Calabans it wouldn't be war, more akin to extermination. Think of it less as Klingons vs Starfleet and more the humans in Rise of the Planet of the Apes. To the Calabans we would be the intelligent apes; smarter than normal sure, but still not seen as equal or even as truly sentient. It would have been pretty easy for us to wipe out the apes had the Simian Flu not decimated the planet. Watching something like that doesn't appeal to Issac's people.
This is the kind of situation where you visit vengeance upon these people when you get your freedom.
Also illustrates the more basic point that "rights" are always defined by those who have the capacity for violence. And if you don't have that, you can't get the rights you feel you deserve.
I'm sure there are better scenes but either way, the Orville is awesome!
what episode is this?
How come the two medium sized humans gets a living room and a bed room but the huge bigfoot creature has barely enough room to swat and take a dump?
Whens the season premier...god i love this show
The end was the best, they traded them out for a tv full of reality shows
thereby getting revenge because it would destroy their civilization and their intelligence at the same time
inspired episode. this is where i knew orville will be truly awesome.
How did they get Bludo from Labyrinth?!?
Bowie would never let one of his denizens get put in a zoo if he was still with us.
Is the the old Ludo chassis from Labyrynth?
This premise was in a twilight zone episode.
I wanna see the whole episode
Why is the hellraiser guy in a cage? Lost the cube?
This could become the greatest sci fi of all time
Was the pointy face dude Correy Feldman? The mannerisms say Feldman.
Would've been cool for them to pull a Cabin in the Woods scenario where they release all the exhibits on the way out.
It's kind of been done to death I think. Besides, nobody wants to be reminded of "Jurassic World 2."
What season and episode is this?
I have hulu and I don't recall this episode at all.
What episode was this? I thought I saw them all.
2:30 Why is the dude wearing a Russian two headed eagle? What an Easter egg. But what is the purpose of it?
Is that last creature a nod to Ludo from "Labyrinth"?
1:09 ...... ISN'T THAT ODO ? from Deep Space 9 ?
Brian Griffin: Now, Peter, this habitat provides all of your needs. Stop looking so grumpy. You, Lois and Stewie are upsetting my paying guests.
Best part of this episode was it had 2 cast members of my favorite comedy sitcom of all time in it although they didn't interact in the episode.
"Hey, what's going on!" Meanwhile, it's almost instantly obvious that he's in an alien zoo.
What season and episode was this
You can tell their species is more intelligent because they have bigger heads.
If someone locked me in a cage like that I would be trying to make those little kids cry
What a Great show ! I sure do miss it.
As a kid, I had a book with a very similar story. Only it took place on a ship flown by a hunter collecting for the zoo. The main character was a human teen who was captured.
Is that alien the pin head demon from hellraiser?
What is a "month" in this context?
Love this Show!
1:07 Bruce Willis cameo??
This actually a really good episode.
HEY WE ARE NOT YOUR SHAMU!!😤😤
They need to Do more of this
Is this from the second season? I don't recall this episode
Reminds me a bit of the end of 2001 except David spent the rest of his life there and didn't know it was a zoo.
Which eposide is this
Is pinhead Odo?
Except animals aren't just "technologically inferior" to humans, they're fundamentally "inferior" in the sense that they lack human's concept-formation faculty - for animals it's sensation and perception. Only Man has the capacity for conception. Putting animals in zoos is not the same as putting sentient people in zoos.
What's being shown here is much more akin to simple imprisonment or slavery - were one, more advanced, group of people captures a more primitive group of people. I mean, I know what they where going for here, some sort of animal rights message, fair enough, but it falls on it's face in execution here the more you think about it. It would have been closer to animals in a zoo if the species outside the cages were radically more advanced then the humans/aliens - something so far beyond us we can't even comprehend their level of consciousness.
When we think about how humans put other humans in zoos, this show does kind of miss the point. It would have been better if the aliens played up their own superiority in their minds, since a truly advanced race would have no need for zoos in the first place
yeah, the comparison is a bit forced.
Mighty Minority or maybe, we are in zoos now but we are just to inferior perceive that we are. Basically another for of the “we are in a simulation” theory.
@@blacklite911 possible. Just as long as i don't feel like I'm in a zoo, the simulation theory is good with me
Mighty Minority Who’s missing the point here?
The aliens here are not superior, they think they are so they ravel into imprisonments of other species.
We don’t need zoos anymore, we are sufficiently advanced so we can admire animals in their habitats through documentaries and films. Yet here we are.
This reminds me of the quarantine
Humans are not the or a higher species. No species is higher or lower than any other. There's no possible metric for such a thing.
Insects, Arachnids, Fish, Mammals, Reptiles, Birds, Crustaceans, all creatures think and feel as research shows, as it also shows all living beings have subjective experience and the same capability for consciousness we have (can only measure capability, we can't prove consciousness in ourselves, other humans, or other creatures, so capability is the term used).
Even if no creature thought or felt, they are still living organisms as is all life and should be treated with Love, care and respect, as with all Life too.
Use harmless repellents to avoid and prevent infestations and gently and carefully move them from your home if they are there. Ironically harmless repellents are also the most effective method and when the proper repellent is used (usually Plants or Oils) and is properly harmless, then it is exactly that.
"Looks like they finally filled that slot" kills me 🤣
This is Star Trek for the new kids lol and I like it.
The spiky face alien sound like Saul Goodman from breaking bad.
I can't wait for the next season of The Orville I like it better than Star Trek
Where can I watch this series?
Hulu or Disney+ or dvd/bluray.
3:15 oh well, we better start... breeding then 😏
I loved how they just gave them keeping up with the Kardashian and they were hooked xD
You mean cardassians
I crush hard on MacSeth. I love his sense of humor.
Why should we give an ef about your middle school crushes? Just keep it to yourself please.
Same
What makes this the best scene?
Because of the message it holds, but of course there are other nice scenes :)
Dont recognise this one. Which season?
This was season. 1 Ep. 2 “Command Performance”
Wait, didn't I see Ahkor in Labyrinth?
This episode was influenced by an episode from The Twighlight Zone
Was just thinking about that one.
People are the same everywhere
0:47 pinheads brother
This scenario is straight out of that Twilight Zone episode in which a human astronaut is kept in a zoo on some other planet.
This was taken straight from an episode of Buzz Lightyear 😂. Though I’m sure that wasn’t the first syfy show to go this concept
Cries in Trekkie
The giant creature lives in a display case, but everyone else gets a whole habitat?
Rick and Morty found a way out of this scenario
They even do the "simple summary metaphor" after saying sciencey stuff
This reminds me of a old Twilight Zone series.
It is Twilight Zone Idea ... 😀
Is that beast from the labyrinth
I thought the thumbnail was Pinhead.
SO SHWEEEETTT...much love Tee with LIONS NAMED LEO.[the music worldwide}
What's a sham-moo?
That moment when a parody of Star Trek has more respect for it and had become better than the current "Star Trek" that is simply an insult to the fans.
We need something like this for Dr Who
Honestly, these aliens would have been the basis for a (short-lived) Krill alliance had this been STD.