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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ส.ค. 2023
- I have owned my 2023 Toyota GR86 for a couple of months now and while I like the car, here are the things I don't like about it.
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Most people who daily this car will be fine in my opinion. The issues are slim to none minus personal gripes that vary from owner to owner. There have been no mechanical issues besides the one on track that have been a problem, and that's only with experienced drivers no novices. I think if someone was to get this car and not track it which will be the majority as you know. This car is a perfect entry level sports car. Great video though love the content.
I have no plans to use mine on track and here In Australia Toyotas come with a 5 year unlimited kilometer warranty with 7 year unlimited kilometers on the driveline. So no worries regarding engine reliability for me.
@@troynewton5833 This is what needs to be shared with most people who think this car has reliability issues. Because that’s a false statement for sure.
Car has only been out two years. It’s hard to say what reliability will be like.
@@Gonin60 correct but the saying out there as a whole is people are saying the engine isn’t reliable, which doesn’t make sense.
@@iManual6peed I don’t think anyone is right cause it’s too early too tell. To say I have potential concerns with it is an opinion and neither right nor wrong and time will tell. To advertise a track car and give paid track time and Subaru and Toyota to not test these failures is a miss. Sure everyday driver will probably be fine but time will tell whether accurate or not.
I own a 2023 BRZ and mostly agree except the infotainment is fine. I don’t want to encourage them to “fix” it by slapping an oversized iPad on the dash.
Yeah most people who buy this car it suits them just fine so just my personal complaint
would like to see an option for an upgraded amp if not an easy after
aftermarket one
I believe the lag is due to the computer trying to determine what gear you're in by the wheel's speed and engine rpm. The transmission isn't directly sending info to the computer so it just has to wait till you drop the clutch to calculate
Good info. Thanks!
Accurate.
Could also just be poor refresh rate on the screen as well.
considering that the lag is also for the mph which gets taken directly from the wheel speed the far more likely cause is either a poor refresh rate of the screen or shit programming of the software
This man speaks the truth
Thanks!
bro I was lowkey dying this whole video laughing, the longer it goes on the more you start to get more passionate and just fully say what you feel, not even caring how aggressive you come off. shit was funny as hell, I appreciate the honest feedback.
Ha glad you liked it!
Cold air is denser, which allows a NA engine to produce more power. So it's expected that the car will be slower in hot weather and faster in cold weather (e.g., probably at night). Did you account for that?
I did and I have owned a lot of different types of cars. This just seem to be affected more by it
BTW, the BRZ900 did the original oil pressure drop, he did more testing and found RTV free still dropped oil pressure.
Interesting. I’ll have to go see that one.
yep, the oil pressure drop is due to the oil pan design and oil pickup tube design. You would have to use a baffled oil pan or replace the oil system with a dry sump one. First probably voids your warranty and the second is expensive. Makes no sense to buy a car and change half the components to make it work.
It looked promising but it seems like cost cutting measures killed it. The RTV issue (which judging from the redesigned oil pickup tube seeming to be expected) seems to be a result of cost cutting due to using the wrong RTV, the shit multi media system, the lag of the screen due to most likely low refresh rate, the super cheap oil system.....
I love this turn signal. It's not that complicated to use. When I drive cars with the "click" turn signal, I realize how much I love the turn signal in my 86. Some of your criticisms are certainly valid, however. We need to remind people that this is an entry-level, 30k sports car. For that price, you can't get anything better.
Yes
The turn signal is stupid imho
It also sends drivers around you mixed signals so for someone like myself who takes driving very seriously, it can lead to rage inducing.
You can get a Miata that's far superior.
the turn signal was a BMW design and no one ever liked it yet toyota changed to it anyway. Its only not an issue for people who never use it.
It's a really smart and practical design that bmw have been using since early 2000s, one just need to develop the feel for it, but the 3x blinker is genius
We only get Toyota GR86 in UK. One manual and one auto model all with car mats included. You can have the fake engin noise turned off by your dealer via electronic management. Oil issue only prob if tracked. I imagine this has been sorted in later models. I have old Mazda MX5. Pleased GR86 still has one!
I turned off the fake engine noise by myself
oil issue doesnt seem to be fixed
Hi man, just found your channel and subscribed. thanks for the great content.
I'm looking forward to get a brz / gr86 next year...
however I am worried with the RTV Issue (I heard it is fixed on the newer model), and also the oil pressure drop when turning right...do you have experiences regarding these issues? does it bother you?
thankss!
Thank you! I appreciate that! If you’re going to track the car extensively, I would worry about it. If you aren’t going to track it then I wouldn’t worry.
the RTV issues doesnt seem to be resolved. Was interested in this care therefor I paid attention since it came out and as far as I can see toyota simply refuses to acknowledge the issue at all.
The oil pressure drop during cornering issue is independent of the RTV issue tho. Its due to a standard design of the oil pickup system. Either you need a baffled oil pan or even better a dry sump system. It just sucks how promising the car was and now it turns out to have tons of issues due to massive cost cutting.
Seems like toyota is suffering from the VW syndrome, i.e. get big due to good quality cars for a fair price and than cut corners where ever you can to increase quarterly profit margins
I like my first gen brz so much that I bought a second one. Exhaust, tune, 93 octane or e85 and they become the platform they should be.
Congrats
how do you like the seats ? how is the low back support?
I don’t mind the seats. Not super comfortable but livable. As for lower back support hard to say. They do hold you in nicely
I like the seats. I have a brz limited (higher tier) and it feels like I'm held in snuggly to keep my back somewhat straight (better than a lot of other cars I've driven. Though this is my first sports car). Takes a while for me to feel uncomfortable, and I'm almost always uncomfortable in a car after 15 mins. This is probably an hour or 2 for me. So a lot more comfortable than I thought it would be
Thanks for this video. Put a deposit down on one and am in the waiting phase. Currently have a new gen Si and have way more dislikes than likes. Hoping the GR is something I like long term, but the RTV/oil pressure situation is very concerning (long-term). Also thinking about a new gen GTI, but that has it's own quirks too.
What haven’t you liked on the Si?
@@Gonin60 bigger than i need most of the time, feels very tame despite making more power than my 8th gen Si, and it shifts like crap when is cold out.
Might look at a Mk 7.5 or 8 GTI. Off to your golf R video!
i bought the base model and mine ONLY came with the all-weather floor mats
You probably paid for them via the price of the car as an ordered option.
Check out my video on the Tuxmats for the GR86, they are really nice and wrap around the entire cars interior. Protects it from literally everything.
I work for a dealership relevant to this car... fun fact this is a car where if you were to take off the toyota badge and look at it. it will say subaru
Thanks for sharing!
Is the gr86 a good first car to drive?
Totally
At first I thought oh no this is going to ruin it for me since I have a 2023 GR86 premium MT. I am not experiencing any of those annoyances with mine.
Great! Everyone will have different issues or gripes. It’s a great car!
You would think you didn’t do research on what to expect as far as the interior. Good review for sure
Okay
Good overview as always
Thank you!
I’ve been seriously considering going from an Audi TT to this. However, a common theme in owner review videos is the engine, and being underwhelmed by it. You nailed it for me in your review, I will reluctantly pass on this. I despise modifications and would never modify an engine, so it has to be good out of the box, I really wanted it to be, but this obviously isn’t.
Go drive one if you can and see for yourself what it’s like
How is TT for you?
The engine power is fine, and the gear ratios are short. It's always a great time to drive and bang through gears. No reason for any more power in a light rear wheel drive car
I would recommend you drive one
TT is superior even in reliability
I used to own a ae86 and I know the 4age well. You have to understand the design intent. This typical 4 banger performance.
I understand the design intent
About the oil pressure dropping, I've seen a channel change a few things to reduce the oil pressure drop. So it is a fixable problem but you will probably will have to do it yourself instead hoping Toyota/subaru will solve this issue
Thanks
@@Gonin60 The channel I watched said they changed the oil cooler, changed the oil for a 40 weight, you can overfill the oil by 0.5L but you also will need a baffle and an Accusump. The oil drop went from down to 20% to around 40% max. It is quite a help if you are willing to invest on it for track days.
doesnt fix the RTV issue tho, sadly
My base model came with rubber GR86 stamped floor mats.
Must have been ordered with some
Good luck on fitting your legs on the Miata
If you’re 4” will be perfect
I am 6.3”
And the GR maje me feel good and not in a toy pedal car like the Miata
Nice
I'm also 6' 3" and looking for a fun daily driver, Canyon Carver. You just helped me make up my mind. I'm getting this. Thanks buddy.
I own a 2022 GR86 and find the road noise level inside the vehicle to be annoying.
Part of that is tires. The PS4s on the premium (if you have them) are stupidly loud..can always add some sound deadening material if needed. Or get a Supra 😂
I agree
I got floor mats, however cost alot and was listed as an option. Wth, the mats were marked up to $475. I agree, the hp needs to be at least 290. I don't like the cheap plastic. It scratches so easy. Also the dome lights are not LED, AND i have had a probkem with the passenger side going out. Still waiting on part at dealership so it can be fixed. The cloth seats look cheap too. I disconnected the active noise. It was too much. Great looking car, exceot for the shark fin. At times the vehicle feels quick. Moves flawless, and at times, quirky, so inconsistent in performance. AC draws to much power, as well as Florida heat. If you put a passenger in the car that ways over 259lbs forget about it. You will realize that the car lacks power.
You hit on a lot of things that I noticed too. Thanks for sharing!
It is a different thing when the engine has turbo or supercharger, natural aspirated engine depends on high revs so you need to shift down to get performance. It is not the bad side of the car cause there is more work=more fun. You only need to change driving style. Rev it up to 7000rpm and shift gears more with what you want to achieve on the road and you will have performance. With natural aspirated you need to make power and bring it to the nex gear, there is no supercharger to correct early shift and make performance.
I have been driving natural aspirated engine cars most of my life, form 60-100HP and that is a real challenge to make performance on corners and hills, you got plenty of power.
What you can do is make ECU tunning with Stage 1, that should give some HP and correct that gap from 4000-6000 rpm.
Thank you
considering that a turbo depends on exhaust gas speed and pressure to spool up your entire point of "NA cars need high revs" is other bs. Shifting to early is an issue for any car's power but to be precise, high rev numbers are worse for NA systems and you need to hit the right rev parameter at around typically 3000-4000 rpm to have full power. At higher revs near 7000 rpm an NA engine will have issues filling the piston cylinders with fresh air and exhausting the exhaust air effectively
@@dergunter1237 What you say about 3000-4000 rpm to have full power is true for my 1.6 (non turbo) Škoda.
Car owner said that car is dead up to 6000rpm. It is a sports car, should be shifting near or in red to get performance. On car spec page is written "Rev. at Max Power 7,000 rpm " and in video that is just entry point of red zone. Losing power happens later. Like I said, I agree with you about turbo or non turbo engine, works that way. But this is a sports car, and if you do not rev it near red, you are in ECO mod.
Nice bro I'm from Philippines
Thanks
How does it drive in SLC winter?
Haven’t driven it in snow so can’t say
Well find out together lol
I wanted this car so bad, but after driving a new BRZ and a new MX5 back to back, the Miata was a whole nother level above this. The engine sound and feel, the shifter, the clutch, the throttle mapping, no rev hang. The mazda just feels special. Also fuck that turn signal stock. The engine reliability also worries me. The hair on my head touches the roof in the miata but I don't care. It's a better car hands down.
All good reasons for sure!
only thing that sucks about MX-5 is that it has no non retractable roof option which sucks for people in shit climate areas. That said the ND is superior in any way besides this one point to the Br86
RF no good?@@dergunter1237
Honest fair and thorough review! Thank you! I've been on the fence on this 86 platform since it's inception! Just when I think I'm ready to take the shot, Embiid's big ass hand pops up and blocks it!😅 I'd still like a better more modern factory head unit! And yes, still more hp! I'm some what an older guy but still prefer sportier cars to daily. With said, I still like my tech and tunes, and don't wanna buy a new car and have to gut and replace. And i prefer JDM! So I'm still waiting,,,,,, lol, thanks!
Yeah you bet! I’m sure there things you will like about it and things you won’t.
i was deciding between this and an fk8, i ultimately went with the fk8.
Good choice
All true. I had a 2023 premium MT. After owning it half years, I decide to let it go. The interior really really disappoints me. Turn signal, fake engine sound, bad music speakers.. all terrible. Its true that GR86 is a fun car but that is all.
You summed it up perfectly!
Here's my two cents. The clutch and throttle feels vauge. When it was finally my turn to buy the car after being on the waitlist for months. I test drove this thing and I stalled it more than I would like and accidentally ride the clutch too. The throttle response combine with it's weird engagment point just left a bad taste. I left the dealership feeling conflicted, but now I'm glad that I didn't buy it after hearing all the other issues.
Sorry it didn’t work out!
Sorry you're not enjoying the car so much, Austin. I liked it when I drove it, but that was at high speeds/RPMs for only about 15 minutes, so I wasn't living with it on a day-to-day basis, and didn't get to see any of the negatives you're experiencing. That being said, I had the chance to get a Premium model and passed on it, partly because of the issues they've been having with the engine. While 99% of the cars may be fine, I don't want to take a chance on a car that seems to have a design flaw right out of the box.
Are you still planning on keeping the car? You've gotten rid of cars you seem to have liked more, so I don't see a reason to keep this if you've got more things you dislike about it than like. Plus, with them still being pretty limited in availability, now might be the best time to sell in order to get the most money for it.
Hey man! You know me well! If you want to email me I’ll give you the latest. Hope all is well!
considering the redesign on the oil pickup tube it implies that subaru was aware of the RTV issue but instead of fixing it they opted to use a different pickup tube to minimize (but not fix) the issue probably due to cost cutting
A good driver doesn't need a screen to know when to shift.. it's sound vibration and experience. Become the car and understand the potentials. I own the 23 BRZ and I am in Canada where it freezes. The windows usually drop an inch when hand on door handle is touched. But.. windows are frozen and don't drop that inch and you can't get in unless you compromise the window gasket seal. Door speakers vibrate side window mirrors. I love the BRZ it's fun to drive and looks sexy.
I know what grear I am in. I would rather not have the tech if it’s going to be that delayed.
I agree. I never even look at the indicator. Just shift naturally. But, I have only driven manual cars my entire life.
I took mine back to the dealership and demanded floor mats and got em
Good for you!!
The car only has 228 horsepower and 184 lbs of torque with a weight of 2838 pounds. What do you expect. My 2023 Camaro ZL1 didn't come with back seat floor mats. Although that back seat is useless. I can't wait to see what car you are getting next. Thank you for the video sir.
Not the power it’s the tune and how it comes on
Man,the console screen is like Spongebob stands in group of avengers. It feels so isolated and left out.
The turn signal is the most stupid design I ever met in any car I had driven. It is so annoying!
Also, How do you feel about the throttle mapping? people say Brz is more linear compare to gr86?
It is more linear and the GR86 has a harder acceleration off the start
Totally agree with you on the turn signals. Rented a new BRZ for a weekend and that drove me insane. Tesla Model 3 and older BMWs have the same problem.
I can’t stand them lol
I'm new to this channel. Where do you live? The area you live in is absolutely beautiful.
Welcome! Utah
@@Gonin60 what city? I've seen areas of SLC that definitely look nice as far as the hills in the background, but I mean the neighborhood. The entire area is clean and the structures look either new or very well maintained. I've also never seen what appears to be a church in a neighborhood.
@@justintaylor9458based on the mountain in the background, somewhere around Provo.
@@Gonin60lol I saw mountains and the church and I thought... Mormon! Lol hopefully the crazy Mormons don't hate and target you like they did me here in LA/Orange county. They came after me and my g35 coupe. Fuck they are crazy people
vortexes from truck, crosswinds...car is so light....but i love it, 33k on my 22 auto trans. highway miles.....oh the radio sucks ....needs some alpine speakers like on my 79 triumph spitfire....im old.....love it....
Right on!
Best to go for Corolla GR before this car's engine blows up on the track-- out of warranty. There are mods to "fix" the oil starvation a high lateral Gs but sad you have to do this on a new car.
There hasn’t been that many that have had engine issues. Will be interesting to see how the higher milage ones do.
there havent been that many Gr86 sold either, plus the engine issues we know of, we only know of because it happend to someone with a lot of public reach @@Gonin60
The subaru seat belt chimes the best, plug in it goes off, don't plug in, after a while it just turns off and stops annoying you. Some cars just keep beeping forever thats the worst.
I don’t think it works that way unless I’m missing something. These annoy you for forever and get louder
I hate that every time I open the door, the window slides down. I get it, it’s to allow the window sit flush against the rubber seal. However, it gets dusty in my area where small dirt and debris sit on window. When I open and close my door I always hear a slight grind with that dirt against the window. I almost have to clean my window every time before opening it but that’s not practical.
Yeah most all sports cars do this now but that would bug me to hear that grind for sure.
Shouldn’t have bought the car then if you knew about the dirt
I always thought they drop to release air pressure so the door will close.
Man, I’m sorry to hear about your gauge cluster lag. That’s gotta be annoying. I have a 2023 gr86 premium AT and I can’t say I’ve experienced that so it may be a thing with manual but it shouldn’t be a thing at all 👌
I think it’s a manual thing
Everyone's gonna have pros n cons but at the end of the day it's either this or Miata for new RWD NA around 30k, and for many of us who only have 1 car a Miata isn't practical enough. All small cars lose power quickly from using AC/high ambient temps/high alititude, I don't believe thats a tuning issue. What octane gas are you using? That could factor in as well to the power lose?
The car from 4-6k feels dead and there is a still a dip in torque on the graph. Challenge is still the tune for me. Ac and temps add to it
@@Gonin60 ah well, the Miata also isn’t great in the midrange. It could probably be tuned out but you’d sacrifice low or high end.
It’s normal when you have a light weight car, anything you add affect acceleration. An a/c typically needs like 4Hp and I think because of engine efficiency of say 37% it rubs 11Hp so 225Hp instead of 235 but basically the entire power curve is lowered by 10, shouldn’t feel that slow in theory.
Yeah not sure
And I love the LDS temple in the background. You're lucky to have one so close :)
Thanks
Why? Why follow the church started by a polytheist scammer? Why not follow God alone?
I dont like the sound system, and my dirvers side door likes to close on me after i open it as if my struts are worn out or something. Its fantastic otherwise to me. Your own points are valid for sure.
Yeah sound system is not good but for the price it’s hard to expect different
Same problem with the turn signal... left right letf right left right sigh 😕 some clown in design made a fortune in aggravating people!
Yeah…
Go get it tuned by Counter Space Garage.
Will do
Love this car, my is automatic. anything else is to small to me, even do this car is small.
Enjoy!
Car burns oil too? This is my dream car but man might be worth it to wait for Toyota to throw their own motors in these.
They are still great
As someone who has a 2023 BRZ and a first manual, yeah there are annoyances. Biggest gripe is no wireless android auto/apple carplay when designing a car with no space to put anything. My kia soul has a way better sound system with a big ass 12" subwoofer box taking up the trunk, and those stock speakers are not great but way better than the brz's. It holds many people and is great for traveling. My brz sucks in those regards. It's been in the shop for 4 days now (ppf and ceramic coating), and all I can say is I miss it like crazy. The kia is better for music, and "better" in traffic, but the brz is just way more fun and way more engaging in manual. It makes up for it's shortcomings. All I would say is make sure you have a more livable car to daily, or at the very least live with someone willing to let you use their car sometimes (either to take a break or to buy/move lots of stuff). That and a more reliable car is a good idea
Thanks for sharing!
What mods did you do
Carbon air filter delete and axle back exhaust
You did very little to it you need header and over pipe to get results
@@asuncionmaldonado3382 no thanks
For that dead spot you might want to try a sprint boost or pedal commandor
I mostly agree with your thought, some are less annoying for me like LCD screen quality I can live with etc... BUT I'm really pissed of by the lack of position memory in the seats, witch also come back from folding position with a weird over bent back killer position..... in a 23' coupé in witch the point is to fold seats to access the rear? Seriously? Oh and I've appreciated a 1/3 2/3 backseats folder.
Thanks for sharing
Really?? LOL no memory seats?? How old are you💀
@@wetcarpet7537 I'm 44 but don't know how this is relevant for this problem.
@@wetcarpet7537 it’s definitely a valid concern. Perhaps you drive a 4 door and don’t have to deal with this silliness everyday.
the oil issues would keep me far away.
Mainly people tracking their car on long right hand turns are having issues. It’s a small case though
Oil issue? I've owned a gt86 for 5 years bought it with 35k miles now over 110000k miles, never had the slightest issue with anything let alone burning oil lol, why would this new model have this issue???
The turn signal issue to me is not an issue. The inside noise, all you have to do is disconnect the connector, it’s not that hard to do. It’s a $30,000 car, it’s not a $50,000 car. Also the consule is a consule, how fancy does it need to be. There are some things that I don’t like about it,but it is what it is. No vehicle is perfect in my mind.
I disconnected the sound and discussed that. I also talk about this is what you get for 30k. Like you mentioned there are some things you don’t like about it. These are things I don’t like. Just shared the things I love about it.
Isnt that how turn signals work
No
Every time I saw someone on the 86 or Brz they thing they are a race car driver always cut me off and I have no intention to reace them, so I am trying find out what's in their head and why they drive like this
Haha I don’t know
For most people the pros of this car greatly outweigh the cons. I am still waiting for mine to role off the factory line but I am aware of the fact I am sort off buying a 90's car in 2023. No tech, lot of noises, just light weight, balanced RWD manual car...and with a 10 year warranty.
Congrats!
Nice to hear the negatives. Everyone else gushes on it. Also….Cool outro… that should be your intro!! Lol.
I have a video on the other things that are awesome. I like the outro too. However I found when I played it at the first people skip over it
@@Gonin60 yeah, I get that. Maybe a shorter version….Because it’s well done.
I'll bring my nintendo
And I’ll carry Junah
RTV issue is the reason I didn't buy this vehicle.
Got it
That turn signal thing is seriously annoying. Is there a known way to make it function normally or a mod to make it do so? Why did they change an already perfectly functioning design? The fake engine sound stuff is so cringey too, but at least you can disable it.
Sounds can be turned off really easy. As for the turn signals I don’t think so. Some angry Karen’s have told me it’s user error lol
I want to buy a slow car, that is unreliable due to RTV issues … buy a mustang get more speed, better track times and better reliability - this is a chick car
Hahaha
Nó có rẻ hơn subaru brz không 1:02
No comprende
I think this car isn’t worth $40k, but I got mine at $29k and think it’s the bargain of the century. At $40k there are better options.
My base model did not come with floor mats, but the salesmen tossed the fabric ones in for free (pretty sure a premium buyer got rubber ones and the fabric ones were his lol).
For me, I want to use this car to get HPDE 3, then I’ll move up to something else fast. Probably a Cayman.
A cayman would be sweet!
Cayman for $40k? Good luck servicing that old of a Porsche.
@@hoopofficial4371dude is living in a dream world
It needs a Toyota engine!
Yeah
My Sienna V6 AWD has almost 250000 miles after almost 12 years, and burns zero oil@@Gonin60. I do change the oil about every 5k miles. No Subaru could achieve this.
Damn bro, sell that piece of garbage hahaha.
I like it but returned it to the dearler on the 18th hour. I payed $780 for the fees but it felt great not having a car loan. I was just not happy with the quality.
I picked up a 03 350z and felt happy. New cars are not for me...i am too anxious
Yeah I can honestly get that
Lmao so basically what you’re saying is you did no research and jumped on a cheap option. GREAT JOB
First world problems. I'd love to own a BRZ or GR86. None of your gripes would bother me in the least.
Cool. Go buy one
@@Gonin60patronizing much? 🙄
Get a GR Corolla it’s what I have 300HP turbo and 100 percent Toyota Not a Subaru GR86 or BMW like Supra .. excellent power
Right on!
The air conditioning comment is %100 placebo effect. Modern cars turn off the air conditioning when at wide open throttle and have for years now
No
@@Gonin60no to what lol
@@Emb4Prezlol please stop speaking
@@StunnaDroppedYouI’m literally not wrong lol
Go get a Supra 🙄🤦🏻♂️
I had one
Fake engine noise?😂😂😂😂
Yes
Just get your mystang
What’s a mystang?
All your comments complaints were reasonable excepting guage cluster. if you need a guage cluster
1: to tell u what gear you’re in
or
2: to tell you the car is at a standstill
then don’t drive a manual
I’ll drive whatever I want. My complaint is not knowing the gear it’s how crappy and lagging the tech is. I’d rather not have it.
Ill take a Miata over this
I agreee
@@Gonin60wow!!
I paid $29k for my GR86, a club Miata is around $40k. Bought the car for the track. At $40k, I could buy a 2019ish Camaro SS 1LE, so the Miata was never a reasonable option.
@@jrfish007Miata outperforms everything
I was just about to order a Miata, but it’s limited trunk space and the display stuck on the dash kills it for me.
I think it’s bullshit that we are settling for less why paying more money for things. The technology in cars isn’t new anymore the engines are getting smaller. When you look into these cars what is really different from cars in the 80s that were coming with turbocharged 4 cylinder engines like the Shelby charger ,Shelby GLHS , Mazda 323 GTX which is all wheel drive and Volkswagen GTI etc… just to name few. For 30.000 dollars I want a better freaking radio and the best floor mats should come with that price and better seats. It really doesn’t cost much for them to add these things. If that radio was an after market one it would probably cost $60 and the seats maybe $100 each and the floor mats maybe $70. So demand more for your money and people should stop saying that for 30 or 40 thousand dollars it is a good deal ….no it’s not it’s bullshit 😊
Haha well I appreciate the honesty. Thanks for your input.