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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ค. 2024
- Update 2: Toyota has agreed to warranty the engine replacement.
Update: Dealer service manager called and said Toyota would not warranty this vehicle due to "racing"
HPDE (High Performance Driver Education) events are explicitly not racing, as Toyota themselves confirmed the last time someone was in the news for this.
Dealer and Toyota corporate are both refusing warranty coverage for this "due to the nature in which the vehicle was used"
Toyota corporate refused to even look at this video.
~19k miles
Oil changed yesterday with 5w30
No engine mods
First session of the day.
@toyotausa
0:00 start
1:00 start driving
6:00 sadness - เพลง
As long as the vehicle is stock and mechanically unmodified, I see no reason they can deny the claim for driving the car at an RPM and speed the vehicle was factory equipped to achieve. I'd fight this to death.
Not if their warranty specifically states they won't cover if something happened during a track day. Dealerships have that in the fine print.
Just like an insurance company won't give you a penny if you crash your car on a track.
Just because it's 'factory equipped' to be at certain RPMs and speeds, doesn't mean it's meant to be driven in certain ways, at those two things...
He's SoL, as he should be. Looking for pity on TH-cam from stupid people is all he has left.
@@OncleJer That's what Hagerty Insurance is for.
Toyota does not cover any damages if the car has been broken on a track. Especially if the videos were uploaded to TH-cam or if google photos can find your car on a racetrack. It's important to read the warranty policy before if your car is still under warranty.
How do you not notice your engine rattling itself to death and keep pushing it for an entire minute plus?
Yeah he's completely clueless
And then stopping practically in the middle of the track. Lol.
this is probably why the claim was denied. he did so much more damage within that time.
@@chadpeterson7149hh no. The engine was toast, it does not matter if he kept driving or not, there is nothing he could have done that would’ve prevented motor replacement. It needed to a new motor no matter what.
@@thijs_rallye8621 It's outside the track, in a "safer" point than the turns before
I like how he keeps driving it even if it's clear something is wrong
honestly, for a stock car at 19k, I would've been so deep in disbelief that I would keep going a little just confirm I wasn't F'ing hallucinating. This is BS on Toyota's part.
How about to reach the pits in time where it's safer and he won't need a tow truck that slows down everyone else on track?
@@PHAZER99yeah because that’s the better option when your engine is starving for oil. Stupid comment, you should delete it.
@@xwewillberememberedx yes but no. A lot can happen in 19k miles not to mention we have no idea how this dude treats this car and how often he services it. Edit Judging by how he keeps on driving when something is clearly wrong I'm starting to think it's just neglect, negligence and poor servicing.
@@nandrolonedecanoate250mg Seeing how he shifts says it all.
to be fair it put up a good fight, it sounded like it was blending its own parts for a full minute and still kept running
Never continue driving on the track when you develop an obvious engine problem, you risk dumping fluids on the track and causing others to crash, also......when it becomes obvious you need to stop GET OFF THE TRACK and put your drivers side nearest the barrier , gives you a better chance of a safe exit when you get out the vehicle.
Really sorry for your engine loss there pal, it wasn't like you were thrashing the engine to within an inch of its life either !
he's probably new and pretends like nothing happens
Until someone slams your car and squashes you between your car and the barrier.
@@krazyivan007 oh geez, stay away from track events plz, they are not ment for scaredy cats.
@@LordHolley Not scared. Pointing out the flawed logic
@@krazyivan007 If you are pulled over to the "inside" of the track, it's less likely as cars will "drift" to the outside of the track away from you at the a turn.
One thing I find strange about Subaru motors is some last a long time while being driven like hell but some blow up for no reason. It’s almost like it’s dependent on whether the guy building your engine was coming back from lunch break or about to go on lunch break. I’m pissed for you didn’t even push the car hard.
The bathtub curve in action
I don't think it's strange. You mention the guy building your engine. I suspect that is unlikely (I used to build aircraft instruments and sometimes we were give poor parts to work with) but it could have happened on the shift where they misadjusted the dispensing of the sealant onto the oil pan...
With my 2022 BRZ I pulled the pan and found excessive sealant that had not fallen into the pan yet. Some fell as I pulled the pan off.
I think usage (and racing providing a lot of hot oil sloshing around, could accelerate the process of ageing and falling off.
If you add in the mix of young beginner drivers with a cheap sports car then you can have a lot of anomalies. Not changing the oil regularly or using the wrong oil. Overheating the engine.
Cost cut on Subaru boxer engines, no baffled oil pan. If you corner a boxer engine hard with a non-baffled oil pan you will oil starve one side of the engine, do it enough times and boom. The standard upgrade to track a Subaru especially the FA motors because they're wider than the EJs is to install a baffled oil pan on street cars that will do track days and full dry sump on dedicated track cars.
@@mrvwbug4423 You are correct about EJ's except that you don't have to go dry sump unless you are really pulling huge G's. I've just run a KB pan and baffle plate.
FA-FB's don't need a DS. I'm putting a baffle plate in the next time I get ambitious or do something with the headers, but me and my two buddies have run years of track days without them. We are all now on 245 Goodyear F1 Supercar R3's.
Did a 1:56 at Palmer before a tune. I just did an "optimal" lap of 2:04 at Pitt Race.
For real, I had a 2015 wrx that I put 40k miles on with zero problems, but then I see stuff like this.
Sorry this happened to you. Excellent job on keeping your composure. Everyone who has or is planning on racing their daily driver is afraid of exactly this kind of thing. It’s good that you posted this video. People on TH-cam will make everything look easy and that nothing will break on a car. Good job on the line you were taking by the way. The second you track a car, they won’t cover anything on a warranty. Honestly, every company will do everything they can to get out of a warranty. I hope you find a spare motor for a reasonable price. Don’t give up on racing. If it’s what you love doing, keep doing it.
What composure?? "Fuk me!"?? He needed to be totally off the track in the track about a mile earlier.
Nice to see a positive comment. Though he should've got off the track immediately after the engine started acting up. Safely of course.
I see in the description they are actually covering the repair. That's great news. We better see an update video on the track!
Thank you for posting. As someone who also tracks a GR86 this is very concerning to see and Toyota really should stand behind their product. They market it as track-capable and even give us a free track day with it! No reason it shouldn’t be able to withstand moderate track use.
Sorry situation for Toyota too. Having to worry about inherently unbalanced Subaru engine in a Toyota badged car.
Why would you keep on driving..as soon as you hear or feel something pull over for safety.. dont push it till smoke or fire starts.
@@kbcarroll
What are you referring to? Boxer engines are the most inherently balanced engines available.
@@smrtguy77777 Subaru boxers have been eating bearings for breakfast since they were introduced. Seems like they still haven't resolved that issue.
@@AndrewClark83 The RTV clogging the oil pickup has nothing to do with the balancing of the engine, though....
Front page of Google search ads for Toyota GT86 goes "Track proven. Street Ready."- how ironic.
The track models of the GR86 use the motor from the GR Corolla not the Subaru boxer. Track proven ... with a Toyota motor that they don't sell on the production versions.
That's CRAAZZYYY, you were pretty smooth and gentle with it and it still let go. Nice smooth driving but bad luck. Really hoping you get it resolved easily.
900BRZ did an amazing scientific video about this phenomenon a couple days ago. His testing found that the FA24’s oil pressure drops when doing lateral G right turns. This, combined with your numerous right turns on this track seems likely to be the cause of your engine failure. ESPECIALLY when your engine starting rattling on that high speed right turn.
I would take a look at 900BRZ’s video and see for yourself. I hope Toyota/Subaru fix this issue for you guys.
before I even clicked on this video I said, bet you it was a right turn lol
It's likely the cause of this failure, though probably has occurred over time as the engine didn't seem to be too stressed at the moment when it failed.
Yeah came here just to say this. Here's a link: th-cam.com/video/4Jk5WTWoqt4/w-d-xo.html
There was a toyota GR cup mechanic in the comment section of that video who said that some Toyota engineers were also not aware of this problem. I wonder what sort of support we can expect from them now that we know what's happening. If there are aftermarket parts that somehow fix this, would installing them void the warranty?
then they need to either issue a TSB about it that can be covered under warranty OR issue a recall as having an engine lock up because you went around a curve too fast should not be something someone should have to worry about nowadays
@@myacidninjatheamazing1025This has been a thing with Subaru engines going on 20 years now. There will be no tsb or recall. Welcome to the Subaru experience.
Sounds like it was losing oil, kept going, then eventually rattled itself to bits. Once it cools down, it will be one solid unit... RIP
He literally mentioned he changed the oil yesterday. Red flag there. Didn't tighten the filter? drain bolt? mhmm
@@algebra358Good point. Next question would be was it actually him who changed the oil or the dealership? I'm still watching, maybe he clarifies.
Other folks are mentioning potential issues with the manufacturing of parts involved with the oil pan? But yeah, the fact that the oil was just changed the day before is sus.
@@reck0n3r in case you didnt know, I believe these engines had oil pan gaskets made from rtv that would crumble, fall into the pan, then get sucked up into the oil intake - thereby clogging it.
@@barrybarry8564 Didn't know that that's exactly what it was, thanks for sharing. Hopefully more people get on this and force the manufacturers to do a recall, or at least cover the repairs under warranty and extend that warranty if they don't want to do a recall. That really sucks though because you want people to have fun with these cars, that was the whole point, and for the owners not to worry every time they drive it that the engine's gonna blow, even when just taking it to the local grocery store.
You didn't even drive it hard.
Which makes one think it was an issue from a previous abuse.
@@deniscdyck No, unless you are a vindictive prick. A reasonable person would conclude that, since this video shows reasonable, non-aggressive driving, that this was more likely a manufacturing defect, especially given that the car was a 2022. You must be a real joy to be around, to think otherwise.
@@deniscdyck There have been issues with RTV getting stuck in the oil pickup. Take a look at the videos SavageGeese has done.
Brakes say otherwise
oil temp was ignored…. i think you couldve avoided this 🤷
Bummer man, looking forward to reading below and seeing all the hindsight.
Was just at Palmer last weekend! Sorry this happened to you, if the car is stock you should fight it.
Real big bummer about the car and having to end the day. I had the white ND MX-5, was nice to meet you and your buddys.
It seems like you bought the better car tbh, but that's a given considering it's a miata
@@freddarau I swapped my WRX for a Miata. I could not be happier.
Brotherhood, man, we gotta keep this mindset in a messed up world. Appreciate the comment, even though I'm not the driver or involved in the space, but as lovers of cars, we gotta look out for each other and keep up the love.
@reck0n3r I'm a bit surprised to see how much negativity their is towards the driver. This happened very early on in the event, either the 1st or 2nd session. Each session lasted 4-5 laps (20 mins)with the 1st 2 laps having a standing white flag( this meant no speeding or passing during the 1st 2 laps). Additionally we were running in the novice group which had pre-designated passing zones and the track was being run in the CW direction (not the norm), almost everyone including the advanced drivers haven't driven that way before. For the 1st 2 sessions everyone was driving in a similar manner as they were still getting comfortable with the track.
@@MikeDasani Agreed. He seems to be casually driving. This was definitely the car's fault, not the driver's.
You weren't really pushing the car hard for the engine to be starved of oil in the corners. You should have pulled over safely as soon as you felt there was something wrong with the engine.
Well he had helmet on and might not heard knocking till it got serious.
He should have felt it in the pedal
I read somewhere he thought it might've been a fender or something that was damaged and decided to keep going, but yeah I probably would've checked either way in that instance. In any case, no one intentionally destroys their new car. Toyota/Subaru should cover it - especially with the known oil pan issue. (read the other comments)
@@cincysilvia8807 He should have felt it in the pedal" but the comp shouldnt be warned him an "insuficcient oil" sign immediately? if the pickup pipe clogged...there should be sensor/s for the oil pressure....
@@MaxCohagen the factory sensor is basically useless, engine is dead when that light comes on. that's why you need an oil pressure gauge. So you can see when the pressure dip.
What oil are these running ? I recommend one grade higher when on the track to compensate for viscosity loss with extreme heat . 0w20 or 5w20 here did not hold up
What mileage after last oil change and, was the oil level checked before the event? I might be wrong if those engines feature dry sump, but, tha failure seems to be occured after that straight pull and braking at 100 mph at 6:05 minutes mark.
Seems like oil starvation! The oil pan on those engines have baffles or deflectors? Im just curious.
But the thing is, right after the corner you should have pulled over!
you werent even revving it all the way up, maybe should have stopped when the painful sound started coming out of the engine
When the knocking started I would’ve immediately bailed but even so, the car should be able to handle that level of driving and warranty should absolutely cover it. Are you modified/tuned? That’s the only possible reason that they could get out of it. So sorry.
I’ve been a situation similar to this (in my case an elevated freeway). I chose to fuck the motor to get to safety. She seized right as I got to safety at the bottom of the off ramp and I don’t regret it for a second.
@@Taylorc52 I’d 100% run a blown motor trying to get to safety vs trying to save it by sitting in the middle of traffic
Motors already done for and cars in limp mode.. Whats the point of bailing?
@@nuesclues2187 To reduce any further wear or damage before diagnosing the cause
@@nuesclues2187 apart from having better chances of salvaging the heads, the car can catch fire when a conrod goes through the block and oil spills on the headers which nearly happened here.
Super calm driving too, not at the limit of grip or anything. Sad, I wanted one of these cars.
Kinda shocked you kept driving for over a minute after it started acting up
He probably didn't hear with the helmet on very well
Did you check the RTV in the oil pick up tube? Is there any investigation into what happened exactly in the engine?
Oiling failed and spun a rod due to lack of oil between the bearing and crank. Same thing happened to me on my 13' FRS. The updated 2.4litre boxers suffer the same internal failures. Its rumored the RTV they use as a oil pan gasket is too mucb, and breaks off inside the oil pan, and gets caught in the oil pickup.
its not a rumor, other youtubers have done videos taking apart the oil pan and its egregious. 100% an issue, not certain that's what happened here, but still. kind of trash of toyota. gazoo racing is becoming msport tier
The 2.4 boxer is actually a really good engine. For some reason they are using way too much RTV to seal the oil pan. It then breaks off and clogs the oil pickup. This is a manufacturing issue, not an engine design issue.
Get a swift sport 1.4 trash t eveyday for year now 0 problems
@@kd2833 my daughter loves hers
That aside it's also a boxer engine issue in general, without a baffled oil pan or dry sump they WILL oil starve the inside bank during sustained hard corners i.e. sweepers. Porsche addresses this by making ALL their engines dry sump. The Subaru tuner community usually upgrades to a baffled oil pan. This also tends to happen when people track bone stock WRXs too.
What tires are you running? The issue seems to be oil starvation due to sustained high g forces
Just saw a video yesterday, the guy was talking about oil starvation on new GR86/BRZ, I think in the video the guy talk about right corners with elevation changes being the biggest problem, since the oil pressure drops like crazy, but I am no mechanice so I could explain why or how...
bummer that you hade to go through this
hope your car is getting fixed real fast, so you can enjoy it
It felt more like a touring ride than a sports one
Sh!t car with half engine (3 pot crap) what do you expect lol
Hardly he redlines that 3rd gear for laps on end.
He's hitting enough sweepers to oil starve the inside bank due to no baffled oil pan. This same thing has been blowing up stock WRXs for years.
@@jasonswift7098 6000 rpm in 3rd gear, WOOOOOOW And my bike does 14.000 rpm while is sleeping...
@@Big1_ dont lie you try hard.
Appreciate you sharing. It was hard to watch but glad you're safe. Toyota continues to disappoint on their support for vehicles in the GR lineup. As someone who also tracks a GR86, this continues to add to existing concerns.
Just do all the preventative oil issue maintenance (such as oil baffle plate, magnetic oil plug, oil catch can, air-oil separator, dual radiator/oil cooler) and you should be fine. It’s a lot of parts & there’s lot of companies that make them so you gotta do your own research to see which one you want to get.
Also, you can run 5w30 oil instead of the standard 0w20 for extra protection.
Drop the oil pan too to get rid of the excessive rtv. Some oem dealers will do that for a fee but won’t void warranty.
Disclaimer tho: some (or all) of these may potentially void your warranty but I’d rather risk voiding my warranty than blowing up my engine.
@@CarsOverPeople maybe blowing up the engine is better provided Toyota will honor the warranty. (but apparently they don't)
@@zzoinks
How is that better? That would not only devalue the car a lot but it would also be a headache to wait for them to get all the parts & fix the car (which they probably wouldn’t be able to do properly in the first place).
With these mods, if anything does happen, they would have to prove that it was because of these mods that the car blew.
@@CarsOverPeople why would they have to prove that? Isn't modified = warranty void basically?
@@CarsOverPeople I'm in Canada, almost everything you said would void the warranty. I think I'm just going to sell my BRZ once my lease is up. Don't want to stress everytime on the track.
Any further updates on what happened? Is it running again or is the car gone?
The way dealerships do oil changes and maintenance, I'm not surprised it happened next day after an oil change...
Rod knock? Keep going til it blows. Hell yeah.
This is what I come to expect from toyota owners XD
lmfao yeah just turn the car off in the middle of a racetrack.. great idea
This tells me that you haven't been on the track. You can't hear shit with your head in the helmet. Rod knock can sound like other shit.
Thats the point and shows what kind of driver he is. So one can only imagine hwat has been done to teh car before this video...
@@lucasd534 you can pull off. Don't just keep going until you grenade the motor and or trans and dump fluids on the track.
Don't be daft.
Why didn’t you pull over and stop the engine immediately when you heard it was on its way out? I am so confused by this!!
possibly didnt hear it with the helmet/headset on or did and was trying to get back to pits. if he did notice he was probably finding the end of a straight to pull off on or somewhere safe. id rather grenade an engine than stop in an unsafe place
Because he's on a race track and at the point the rod knock was audible, it was already too late. The best you can do is try to make it to the pit or stop on a straight stretch.
Should definitely feel a power loss lol
So what happend? Read something in the comments about the oil pressure dropping on right turns. Engine lack of oil or what was the case here?
Palmer! Sorry to hear about your troubles.. Glad they finally honored the warranty. I'd be reluctant to purchase a vehicle from Toyota based on all the terrible warranty experiences I've heard.
Is gear changing allowed on this track?
If it's a track he's unfamiliar with it's a good method for scouting at speed. pick a gear that works for every corner and just learn the lines of the track without having to worry about your footwork. He's definitely not pushing even a little bit.
I noticed he didn't bother to downshift into the turns...on a race track? Who does that?! Stayed in 3rd gear while RPMs fell to 1000 and MPH was at 30....wtf? 3rd gear?
@For The Ghosts, Not The Cameras You can tell you've never been to a track day. He's scouting his lines on an unfamiliar track
hey, glad i'm not the only one that was in pain whenever the rpm went too damned low for 3rd gear. nor did he upshifted... lols.
@@RetroGamerr1991 yea. but when the engine goes 1000 rpm, you dont shift.
Do you have 2 temp gauges? Looked like one kept rising throughout the lap, the other stayed around 190.
One is coolant other is oil. coolant sat around 190F. Oil temp definitely got warm but not crazy hot. Oil tends to not fail chemically until around 300. Its quite normal for oil to reach 230-260 while in high rpms for extended time. Wouldn't be surprised if a bearing failed Due to lack of pressure though.
Amazing how long it took him to realize what was going on. Anyone who has had an engine blow up on them would have pulled over much sooner. The knocking and loss of power are a dead giveaway.
he was probably new
@@zoob4371 yeah probably plus a newer car and fresh fluids so it's understandable. I had a 4 cylinder grand am in grandma beige color that blew up on me after running too low on oil. I'll never forget the sound, loss of power and the experience overall lol when she finally went it was like I could feel the engine literally fly apart. Rod or something blew a whole right through the block hahaha
@@lambofeaby_1262 damn, what did you do to the car after?
@@zoob4371 well it was a 10 yr old GM vehicle so not worth much. I sold it to a junk yard for like 300 bucks. This was like 9 yrs ago
@@lambofeaby_1262 i see
Did you ever have the oil pan dropped for excess RTV? Also how many miles and how often do you track?
it should be RTV
Rip. You could hear the starve early on. Should have pulled over asap
When do you hear this?
@@brownschumacher it starts at 6:15
@@barb_sv Exactly. at that point only 3 things should have happened: Clutch in, into the grass, engine off.
Yup! Cant understand why he kept going
@@sumidaj9947 no mechanical knowledge or awareness of lot of things can go wrong in a car, and if you feel or hear anything suspicious, then the smartest thing to do is stop the car at the closest, more or less safe spot. If someone uploads a video about driving a performance car on a track, it does not mean he/she has proper knowledge, or gives a damn about the machinery...
That STI sounds amazing. That rumble!
Yup and then it will soon sound like the 86
Did you ever have the RTV fluid checked?
hey do you know what exacly caused tge engine to fail?
Sorry to see this. Just curious how was your oil temperature? Did it reach 130’c or more ?
It doesn’t sound like you were driving it hard. The 2.0 motor could handle more than that with 10 times the mileage.
You killed it of boredom, A Japanese machine made for performance could not bear the shame of being driven this slowly on track and committed seppuku
Does this happen to the BRZ as well? It should right? Man… thinking if i should off on my purchase for GR86 or BRZ
Sounds like oil loss. Is there no oil pressure gauge on dashboard?
Sucks to see engine fail 5 minutes into track session on nearly new car.
If ANYONE learns anything from this video let it be:
IF YOU SENSE Engine or trans damage -- GET OFF THE TRACK, PULL OVER.
Don't potentially drop oil or coolant on miles of track trying to get back to pit road.
The car has been tracked many times before. also 20000miles are not "new"
Non sa guidare,non puoi fare tutto il tragitto in terza, solo una volta in quarta, pilota della domenica...😂😂😂
@@AaBb-hk5os Un motore non salta per così poco (e soprattutto dopo così poco tempo). Dopo alcune ricerche sul web è evidente che il problema si genera nel pescaggio dell'olio delle GR86/BRZ a causa dei frammenti di silicone sigillante che vanno ad intasare il sistema. Hanno fatto qualche casino nel progetto o impiegato materiali non adatti, spero facciano un richiamo.
@@X3WCModEven then, bro wasn't even pushing the car that hard at all. Most would be driving it like they stole it.
@@X3WCModit's still a newish car get off your wagon
Sorry to see this. Wonder if it’s worth trying to get in touch with Jalopnik or Car and Driver. Might help you put a spotlight on this and pressure Toyota to do the right thing and honor the warranty.
Haven’t watched the video but I’m assuming it was during a high g right turn?
What did you use to record? I like this pov
I know how you feel dude - devastating at the time - same happened to me in my 3RS - had the car serviced at the dealer 2 days before the track day - Porsche were a little slow to accept the claim but had a new engine installed within 4-5 weeks. Hope all is good now man
Damn... happened to Porsche as well? Which gen? All serviced in main dealership?
@@mineigshi Gen 1 991 GT3RS. Full dealer service. Triggered by high rpm misfire. Two of the cam lobes were trashed. Car had 43000 km at the time. I tracked the car regularly. At least monthly. If the car had only been road driven I suspect that it may not have happened until after 100000+ km. The car was driven aggressively but not abused. No launches, no over revs. Just tracking as the car was designed to do. Now have a 991.2 GT3. Much better engine. Revs more freely-more torque. Just feels better. Feels indestructible. Never ever feels like it’s straining.
The 991,1 had a recall for those type of problems
Yeah that’s right, don’t change your brakes and when you starve your engine of oil, continue driving until you really seize it up, that way when it starts smoking you can stop on the track right after a corner. These are the best of ideas.
Bonus points for creating an oil slick on corner exit!
Those are race brakes goober
Dude had it in 3rd the whole time ??? No engine braking literally the best part of driving on a track
Hey my friend. My car make the same noises after I was at TÜV (in Germany) and now we dont know what It is. What is with your car now?
I had the same issue with the old 2.0 version - no oil to the rod bearing on one of the cylinders because of oil pump issue or clogged oil channels - I had to pay for a new engine since Subaru in this case refused to compensate me - and I was only driving B roads not track when it happened
Good call on uploading this. Only because it got tons of coverage were they convinced it be better to just replace it. Granted, any representative with any integrity can see from this video that this car was not stressed. I've driven harder doing doordash deliveries.
How does subaru go from the ej22 to these things popping like crazy
I feel bad. This is why I'm considering the MX-5 even if it is not practical.
This barely even qualifies as track use. Ive driven harder on back roads. My track cool down laps are faster than this, not trying to be offensive. No way this motor should have any problem at this pace.
Actually, the guy is barely qualified for track use, or driving.
can you make an update video of the car engine being replaced by them?
Yikes this is heartbreaking to watch!! 😢 Blown engines are painful to see.
Lol barely pushing it and it blows up nice one Subaru
Do you know how it was driven before this? Engines don't just go boom for no reason and the manufacturer denies warranty. There is more to this than what is being showed.
@@deniscdyck Subaru engines certainly seem to. It doesn't help that the company won't stand behind their product.
@@deniscdyck They do just go boom randomly when the oil uptakes are known to suck RTV into their screens randomly causing oil starvation.
@@deniscdyck There have been issues with RTV getting stuck in the oil pickup. Take a look at the videos SavageGeese has done.
Subaru engines re delicate pieces of crap that love to blow up and also pop headgaskets , tried the subaru thing and left. Junk… Toyota needs to step up
Guess I won’t be tracking my GR86 for a while 😬. Like others have said, you weren’t even pushing it hard. Hope Toyota does right by you.
@@zydomason agreed dude was definitely pushing the engine when he should have pulled to the side or near a flagger to keep the other track members safe.
If I was in your shoes, I would preventively remove oil pan and check the oil pick up for RTV residues. Then clean the oil pan and carefully reapply right amount of RTV.
Man if that's the case, I just wouldn't buy this car at all. I wanted to, but now, nope.
@@reck0n3r Let's see how Toyota corporate responds, for now we only know the dealership denied the warranty which is not a big surprise.
There are thousands of GR86's out there which don't have any problems. We don't even know yet whether the RTV build-up is a real issue or not.
@@zydomason sorry, what is RTV stands for?
Dont all these newer brz have a problem with the oil sump getting clogged from factory
Lack of oil b/c of mad cornering over a long period of time?
I am planing of getting a BRZ myself, but seeing all these evidences about this issue pushes me off. I hope they’ll own up and figure this one out soon. The platform is so good to miss, yet the quality of their sealant is horseshit.
Great chassis but a shit engine
Go for the older models, quality clearly has gone down hill quick for newer models, I still see the older brz's on the road all the time.
Brzs are horse shit in general. Im a sports car mechanic in oregon where subarus are EXTREMELY popular, most subaru sales in america I believe. Brzs/frs/gt86 are some of the most common of the shit boxes. ALWAYS in the shop and ALWAY the same problems as the last. Its insane how many ive seen come through our shop even compared to wrx’s, theyre about the same
@tommycarrera3875 yeah those boxers and subarus in general are inferior to regular weak inline 4s. Seems like ppl in Washington/Oregon only buy them cause of all the steep hills/offroad n rainy weather capabilities with AWD n since they are relatively cheap.
Just get new Miata....from what i hear that engine is solid. None of this BS to worry about.
I think it's clear that subaru boxer engine longevity/quality is far below the standards of regular inline4s.. so many instances of these boxers failing so early and stock too.
I work for a shop called JDL Auto Design. We have a GR86 we’ve made a turbo kit for. Not sure if this happened here, but a common issue with these cars, and one I found while taking the pan off to put a bung on, is that the rtv is so heavily applied that in the inside of the pan it’ll peel off and get stuck in the oil pick up. Also when putting the pan back on, the backside of the pan with the 3 or 4 bolts or whatever sometimes is a pain to seal proper and will leak a lot so make sure it’s good
it's a very well known issue and at the same time there is no hard evidence this causes any problems to the engine. I would love to be proven otherwise.
Was bro driving a manual with very minimal gearshift? or am I just tweaking?
do you think it might be because you used 5w30? the oil was not viscous enough to get between the bearings and led to this
Who says he was using 5w30? And even if he was, what’s wrong with that? Apparently, the JDM market uses that type of oil in these cars & the BRZ manual also says it’s ok to use 5w30 too.
@@CarsOverPeople it’s in the description
@@CarsOverPeople it depends on the temps the car runs at. 5w30 can be just as viscous as 0w20 if the temperatures are pushed high enough. However on a cold day or at the start of a session, the oil might not be up to temp still and cause a failure
The oil had nothing to do with this - a 30W vs. a 20W isn't enough to worry about. You can almost always run a higher grade oil but not the other way around. This is another issue that caused this failure. Many Sub owners run 40W without issue.
Could you please update us as to what the issue was? Was it RTV related?
Either RTV, or the fact these don't have baffled oil pans.
@@ryanlittleton5615 Yup, this literally happens all the time to bone stock WRXs when dudes try to track them. Optimally boxer engines should be dry sump (like Porsche does), but a baffled oil pan also helps a ton.
@@mrvwbug4423 Didn't one of Toyota's own engines have that problem some years back?
This was recommended to me after seeing a recently released Toyota GR Corolla ad.
Was it oil starvation? Worn bearings?
Seems like you were lugging your engine a lot, in too high of a gear most of the time and hesitated to downshift, that puts a huge load on the engine, when it should just be in a lower gear/higher rpms before flooring it. Lugging the engine at under 3k is very hard on the engine. But at 4000+ it’s easier on the engine as it’s already spinning fast.
Agree I was thinking the same thing sometimes he would stay in 3rd and his rpm where to low he should had shifted to 2nd more often
Yup. Lugging at full throttle can crack the pistons especially in high performance cars like this.
Agree, the waterpump also runs harder
Someone had to say it
@@s_ame1135this is not a high performance car lmao it's slow as hell
It's the oil pressure problem, it's well known sadly, they are working on it. It needs oil pan baffles badly.
The oil pressure drops to 20 to 25psi especially at right turns.
Does anyone know if this is related to the RTV issue ?
It may have been the 5w-30? I dont know what's in the owners manual, but i thought performance vehicle use at least 10w-40
Sustained right hand corner + elevation change probably led to an excessive drop in oil pressure
Yuppers that FA24 does not like right hand turns the oil pressure drops into the 20’s. The FA20’s weren’t as bad but something with the FA24
@@davidromero6335 he didn't even do any of that stuff he said tho he changed oil the day before so it could be a poorly tightened oil cap or oil filter that did it
@@thusmarshal8815a poorly tightened oil cap would have had oil all over the road and the car would’ve been smoking already before then
@@slowchassis not necessarily my dad travelled 2000km 3 months ago with a lose oil cap fell off and he just lost a lot of oil but nothing else he figured it out afterwards when he was home when oil was everywhere
@@thusmarshal8815 Are you unaware of the evidence of oil pressure drops on right-hand sweepers in the FA24 engine? It seems inherent to the engine.
Wild that they're out here warrantying GR Corolla money-shifted engines but won't warranty yours even though you were doing less than I do on backroads. That is concerning. I'd lawyer up.
Kudos that you got a new motor, but that still has to rattle your confidence in enjoying the car. The idea, in the back of your mind, that your 2nd motor could grenade on another road course. It's gotta be painful having that anxiety that you can't fully enjoy the car. Toyobaru has to find a way to make these motors a lil more robust, b/c I think you're still dealing with the same inherent problem. Either way good luck!
cold air intakes cause engine problems
Cool, they warrantied it. Howd you get them to agree to that?
Everyone heard the engine rattle, I thought I was the owner one that heard it in the video. Jeez, really sorry for your loss bro. I am very sensitive to weird sounds from my car, if I hear anything, I check it ASAP. I feel like you could have parked in the grass or something.
Same any little sound and I’m looking for something
I'd have to imagine it's different being on the track, if something is already fucked then it's not gonna unfuck itself, might as well drive to a safer location with the last couple miles it's got left. Even a good idea to do that if you're on a highway/freeway, never know when someone's gonna doze off or do something stupid at 80mph and wipe me off the face of the earth.
I’m sure it has nothing to do with you holding it at redline and then letting it decel through corners because you don’t want to change to the next gear.
You legit stayed in 3rd gear for the first 6 laps, driver mod.
What ended up actually going on the motor?
Nice! Thanks for the update. So they replaced it, just so it can blow up again?
Anyone else notice the oil temp before it went actually lost power?
Why did you keep driving when it was struggling? It wasn't going to fix itself.
So what technically happenned?Sorry to ask but I am not really a car expert however I am thinking in the future to get a Toyota GR86.Can someone help me explain it?Thanks a lot!
The horizontally opposed engine is unique to Subaru vehicles and consumes a lot of oil. When driving on a circuit, metal blow will occur if the oil is not properly managed.
no oiling issues on the turbo 4 cyl boxer engines from Porsche, yeah but Porsche is Porsche and Subaru is Subaru
How many tracks days on this car? What’s your maintenance schedule like? Oil cooler? Trying to figure out if this is a trend and what the patterns are
Good questions. A detailed list of all factors would be helpful.
Primary pattern to consider: it has a subaru engine. case closed.
Sounds like an anecdotal opinion. I get the hate and bias. Every manufacturer has had issues, especially with performance vehicles. Multiple people have tracked this car for several hours and thousands of miles with no issues. I think owners would like data and facts to sort out issues like this rather than ostracizing a brand.
@@iLLtackticks I have many track days on mine, so I'm looking for data, not anti-Subaru bias.
@@iLLtackticksI used to build IAG block Subarus as a 9-5, believe me when I say they pop for no reason. We used to have two, TWO piles of dead EJ blocks as high as the staircase they were stored under. Never track a Subaru motor 😂
It’s a wet sump system so that kind of g-force and holding higher revs probably caused oil starvation unfortunately so the engine, which clearly had an issue to start with, couldn’t hold up.
Yup, the fix is a baffled oil pan, which if he did his research before track day he would've found the "DON'T TRACK A FA MOTOR WITHOUT A BAFFLED OIL PAN" PART
Man, thanks for your vid, there is NO WAY i will ever get one of those now.
I'm wait for a roller and put another engine in it. Something more reliable.
Why would you tell them where the engine failed? That's so dumb!
For a Subaru boxer engine on a track or just continuous hard driving I would recommend 5w-40 and probably a oil cooler and maybe a bigger core all-aluminium radiator. You also need to monitor your oil and coolant temps regularly. For normal driving 5w-30 would be ok and more fuel efficient, but on a race track it could thin out too much as it gets hot on a long straight then going into a hard corner it will all go to one side of the boxer engine causing oil starvation. Also need to make sure that the oil is on the full line of the dipstick, when the engine is cold.
The EJ boxer engines use to come with 5w-30 as standard but 5w-40 was also mentioned as acceptable in the manual, especially for when towing something. The 0w-20 that they put in now on these newer boxers is just to meet more stringent efficiency targets.
For street driving you could also use half 5w-30 and half 5w-40. If it was me though I would just use 5w-40 for all types of driving and check the level regularly. Another benefit of heavier oil is that less of it will get into the combustion chamber and burn off. Also if your engine is starting to overheat then for ffs just pull over and call a tow truck because once the aluminium engine gets over a certain temp it starts to warp. If it is awd then it should be on a flat-bed truck as well.
And I would recommend people to learn how to change their own oil by watching tutorials, so you know it has been done right and use an accurate torque wrench to tighten the drain plug.
It is usually a good idea to avoid the first year of a new generation model as well. If you have one then you need to also check the oil pan RTV clogging issue (there are tutorials on youtube). Also whenever you are new to a model of car, then google: 'model name' problems.
Solids points.
I tell people all the time that thicker HTHS 5w30 (at the very least) is the way to go.
I'd be curious to know what 5w30 he put in the vehicle because not all of them perform the same, especially when tracked.
Bloody hell. Too long. Just buy a Porker GT. 😂
Why the hell did you keep driving it when you started to hear the noise?
what did Toyota have to say if you dont mind me asking..? like how the whole argument went down
Il motore era già chiaramente fottuto al minuto 06.00. anziché fermarti, hai ben pensato di scalare e premere a fondo l'acceleratore. Ottimo lavoro campione 👍🏻
There is a known issue with the oil pickup line being clogged with sealant from the factory I believe
Yes, well documented risk, anybody pushing these cars should have that checked before they track this car.
The issue is actually due to a poor design that can't deliver oil on right turns. It's not related to rtv