I have 05 s2000 and eyeing GR86 and it’s verus oil pan development. The new GR86 with performance package is tempting. Can you still put a full size spare from the old FRS in the new GR86?
@LoveLikeaHurricane Also if you are planning on tracking the car I would DEFINITELY keep the s2000 it's going to be more reliable than fa24 that's just my 2 cents 😉 😀 the gr86 is ZIPPIE but that HONDA IS BOMB 💣 PROOF and Proven.
@@woodworkerf355not trying to be a contrarian here but just want to share some truths to this one: the s2000 is definitely not bomb proof and comes with its own fair share of problems like any other sports car engine, high oil temps is one of them and several have blown up also. It just happens to be on the more reliable side of the spectrum for what it is and many of these engines were babied by the original owners who were able to afford them back when they were new. One of the major negatives that cancels out the positives of the F20 engine is that replacement parts are very expensive and so is the aftermarket for it. It's one of the reasons why people who beat on s2000s often swap it, or plan to swap it, with a K series engine. Long story short, the FA24 is a solid F20/F22 fighter with the only problem being the small oil pan now.
@jrod1577 considering 🤔 everything else and owning one for 9 years I would ABSOLUTELY say they are meant to beat on and are pretty bombproof 😆 🤣 compared to anything else but that has been my experience, I only did regular maintenance 😉 and with 118,000 was able to trade up for my gr86
I'm really considering one of these, once (if) Toyota fixes the right hand turn oil pressure loss issue, or if an aftermarket oil pan/baffle etc. fixes it.
I wouldn’t let that deter you. Still going strong with no baffle, just overfilling 1qt before events and correcting the level after. Sometimes not even correcting the level. 36K miles now and counting.
@@JamesMotorsport Glad to hear! Also a good point. My original plan was to just drive it and if anything happens, it's either covered under warranty or it gives me a reason to swap the block with the WRX's FA24 block, which doesn't have the oil pressure issue and turbo it. It probably still wouldn't be an issue for me, as I wouldn't even be tracking it. Just a street car. I've heard that oil pressure loss mostly happens on stickier tires.
@@hhaste Yes I have 9 track days with 4-6 20 minute sessions with 200tw and 100tw tires. I also use 5w40 oil on track. Time will tell I didn’t know about that wrx block that’s cool!
Love that you're enjoying the car. I have a 2016 BRZ and was thinking about trading into a GR86. Would you say the second gen is a lot more refined/comfy/road-trip worthy than the first gen? The pre-refresh first gen starts to beat on you after sitting in it for several hours.
I'm about to be done paying off my 2019 camry se. I've been contemplating trading it in for a gr86. (I miss driving manual so much.) I got a camry for reliability but it's just not scrating the itch I have for driving. This video might have been all I needed to pull the trigger.
Konig hypergrams 17x9 with 235/40 Nitto Nt01. I had 245/40 RT660 falkens both times we great. I feel like the nt01 could handle the hard 20 min sessions without getting too greasy that was primarily the only difference
It was cheaper (or equal) to buy a new '22 than it was to buy a used '16 or '17 when I was looking. I had to wait around 8 months and settled for a different color because of Toyota's allocation system, but the only other real option was a 1st or 2nd gen Cayman, or MX5, and I felt the MX5 and GR/BRZ was more playful for the street driving and tracks I would be going to.
Nice honest review. Thanks for uploading. I nearly bought a GT86 back in the day but i had crap customer service, so it didn't happen. However, I have always liked them and this new GR seems to have corrected all of the negative points from the original car. I'm tempted!
It's such a stark difference seeing how people modded the GT86 vs the GR86. First gen owners prioritized headers+tune to solve the engine issues before they went on to other modifications, whereas second gen owners go straight to brakes, fluids, and minor suspension modifications because they feel the car is already great.
Im thinking of doing the same lol. I have a 2017 86 right now that has been my travel/daily driver. I bought it at 30k miles and now have 66k at almost 3 years. I can trade mines in for more money than what I owe now (around a 4k profit), throw that as a down payment, plus more.....but I also want a paid off car lol. Decisions decisions lol. Do you run 5w40 all the time or just track days?
Glad youre enjoying it! I got mine in July 2022, being my first rwd sports car as a daily and I have been loving it. Like you said, a dual purpose car I can drive on the street and take to occasional HPDE/track events. Here's to many more fun miles to come!
Nice overview. It's good to hear you are still enjoying it. I have 18k miles and 1 year on mine as a daily and I am loving the car.
I have to agree 👍 with you 100% it's hard to beat the gr86 for all around, and I'm coming from a 2004 s2000.
I have 05 s2000 and eyeing GR86 and it’s verus oil pan development. The new GR86 with performance package is tempting. Can you still put a full size spare from the old FRS in the new GR86?
@LoveLikeaHurricane Yes I think 🤔 others have bought a kit please 🙏 look it up, but I'm positive you can.
@LoveLikeaHurricane Also if you are planning on tracking the car I would DEFINITELY keep the s2000 it's going to be more reliable than fa24 that's just my 2 cents 😉 😀 the gr86 is ZIPPIE but that HONDA IS BOMB 💣 PROOF and Proven.
@@woodworkerf355not trying to be a contrarian here but just want to share some truths to this one: the s2000 is definitely not bomb proof and comes with its own fair share of problems like any other sports car engine, high oil temps is one of them and several have blown up also. It just happens to be on the more reliable side of the spectrum for what it is and many of these engines were babied by the original owners who were able to afford them back when they were new. One of the major negatives that cancels out the positives of the F20 engine is that replacement parts are very expensive and so is the aftermarket for it. It's one of the reasons why people who beat on s2000s often swap it, or plan to swap it, with a K series engine.
Long story short, the FA24 is a solid F20/F22 fighter with the only problem being the small oil pan now.
@jrod1577 considering 🤔 everything else and owning one for 9 years I would ABSOLUTELY say they are meant to beat on and are pretty bombproof 😆 🤣 compared to anything else but that has been my experience, I only did regular maintenance 😉 and with 118,000 was able to trade up for my gr86
I'm really considering one of these, once (if) Toyota fixes the right hand turn oil pressure loss issue, or if an aftermarket oil pan/baffle etc. fixes it.
I wouldn’t let that deter you. Still going strong with no baffle, just overfilling 1qt before events and correcting the level after. Sometimes not even correcting the level. 36K miles now and counting.
@@JamesMotorsport Glad to hear! Also a good point. My original plan was to just drive it and if anything happens, it's either covered under warranty or it gives me a reason to swap the block with the WRX's FA24 block, which doesn't have the oil pressure issue and turbo it. It probably still wouldn't be an issue for me, as I wouldn't even be tracking it. Just a street car. I've heard that oil pressure loss mostly happens on stickier tires.
@@hhaste Yes I have 9 track days with 4-6 20 minute sessions with 200tw and 100tw tires. I also use 5w40 oil on track. Time will tell I didn’t know about that wrx block that’s cool!
Just went to trade my 22 SI in for one of these. Love it but it's too small for me. Definitely a fun car for a college kid though
Love that you're enjoying the car. I have a 2016 BRZ and was thinking about trading into a GR86. Would you say the second gen is a lot more refined/comfy/road-trip worthy than the first gen? The pre-refresh first gen starts to beat on you after sitting in it for several hours.
@@SmallBrickWall It does have just a bit more refinement but still very much a cheap sports car. I drive mine roughly 60 miles per day.
I'm about to be done paying off my 2019 camry se. I've been contemplating trading it in for a gr86. (I miss driving manual so much.) I got a camry for reliability but it's just not scrating the itch I have for driving. This video might have been all I needed to pull the trigger.
Do it ! Life is too short
I ordered a GR86 and plan to trade in my '20 camry xse for it :)
@@gilesbradford9919 Excellent! I don’t think you’ll regret it.
Nice im starting to want 1🔥🔥🔥
nice looking car, what's the suspension setup, thanks
Stock with just Raceseng camber plates in the front. Around -3* Camber.
What wheel/tire setup u running?
Konig hypergrams 17x9 with 235/40 Nitto Nt01. I had 245/40 RT660 falkens both times we great. I feel like the nt01 could handle the hard 20 min sessions without getting too greasy that was primarily the only difference
How's the paint been holding up for you?
Great actually I did have it ceramic coated at the dealer when I got it
Love the video, please make more ( longer please) 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Thank you brotha I appreciate that and I will !
My mazda 3 is a great car but craving something a bit spicy...gonna get a second car. Mazda stays with me. ♡♡
It was cheaper (or equal) to buy a new '22 than it was to buy a used '16 or '17 when I was looking. I had to wait around 8 months and settled for a different color because of Toyota's allocation system, but the only other real option was a 1st or 2nd gen Cayman, or MX5, and I felt the MX5 and GR/BRZ was more playful for the street driving and tracks I would be going to.
Nice honest review. Thanks for uploading. I nearly bought a GT86 back in the day but i had crap customer service, so it didn't happen. However, I have always liked them and this new GR seems to have corrected all of the negative points from the original car. I'm tempted!
It's such a stark difference seeing how people modded the GT86 vs the GR86. First gen owners prioritized headers+tune to solve the engine issues before they went on to other modifications, whereas second gen owners go straight to brakes, fluids, and minor suspension modifications because they feel the car is already great.
Im thinking of doing the same lol. I have a 2017 86 right now that has been my travel/daily driver. I bought it at 30k miles and now have 66k at almost 3 years. I can trade mines in for more money than what I owe now (around a 4k profit), throw that as a down payment, plus more.....but I also want a paid off car lol. Decisions decisions lol.
Do you run 5w40 all the time or just track days?
Just for the track days I run regular 0w20 in between
@@JamesMotorsport nice, I'm curious about the oil starvation issues on the track for these cars. Hope yours stays healthy.
Glad youre enjoying it! I got mine in July 2022, being my first rwd sports car as a daily and I have been loving it. Like you said, a dual purpose car I can drive on the street and take to occasional HPDE/track events. Here's to many more fun miles to come!
Thanks James - Appreciate the smart, honest commentary. I've subscribed. Hope you can keep up the videos. It's busy with young kids.
Thanks brotha appreciate that. I have some good stuff in the works !
3 minutes in and still nothing about ownership of the gr86.
@@la6610 You’re at the origin story part keep watching
whats the ending song? its fire
Travis Scott throw the dice. It’s so good