INTP vs INFP - which one are you?
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A counterintuitive mistype that's quite common. Hopefully I bring a tiny bit of clarity to the issue. If it's any consolation, INTPs and INFPs are both pretty cool so you know... win-win.
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I still have no goddamn clue which one I am. INTP makes more sense, but INFP just feels right. Kinda ironic.
same
Me too? I mean is it possible to be both? I relate to both!
yes i feel this way too!
I'm just a sine wave alternating between them. I often express my feelings with music, feel refreshed from singing, and I often connect bits of informations to a huge net just to figure out the basic structure and logic of something nobody cares about.
The thing is that it’s a spectrum. It seems that you fall closer to one side, but you lean close to another. In this case, I think you would have to not let your feelings OR your thinking decide. The best thing for you to do is let your intuition guide you.
INTP: *feels emotion*: Am I INFP?
Shut up
Me, and INTP: *feels empathy and has morals/values*: am I an INFP?
4 real though
@@Nicolas17 yeah it’s a looped question for me, but in the end feelers tend to be more people oriented while thinkers tend to be more stem field (science, technology, engineering and math). Intps can show emotion but it isn’t their driving force
Me, feeling the empathy: *what should i do now?
I'm an INTP and my best friend is INFP. We are both artists and writers, but we approach these things differently. I carefully plan my plot arcs for maximum emotional impact, because *the system works*, and I write as concisely as possible. He starts with emotions and lets the plot follow from that, and lets the words flow much more smoothly. In drawing, I use a ruler and references, and spend hours perfecting details, while he makes a quick outline and sculpts the shape as it goes along, ending up with a less precise but still effective piece of art. I think we both learn a lot from each other but still have our different preferences. This video sums it up quite well!
This is fascinating to see you both approach the same process from different angles ~ Nathan
So with writing you are the plotter and your infp friend is the pantser it seems. As a writer myself, I plot report writing but pants everything else. Pantsing is how I flow. Its soo interesting to see these compared. I've never looked at the writing styles with direct relation to intp/infp types but I can clearly see how that makes sense. I hate saying that I pants. That I'm a pantser. It sounds so pervy and fetishy... lol Like paul Specter from The Fall... lol
I can't plan a plot to save my life. I can write a decent short story, but to flesh it out, and make it longer? Not so much.
For photography, I know the rules, but I don't follow them. I actually make a point of breaking them, sometimes. Get some pretty cool effects, that way.
This is why I'm now more confused, rather than less.
@@RutabegaNG if i plan or outline i never ever follow it. I fully understand the beauty of happy accidents and fortuitous circumstance, though. Love it when that happens. Count on it, really.
i'm a confused INFP-INTP, i also write and i'm both??? i plan plots carefully but i also write freely...help...
Arguing with an INFP:
"I can see your reasons and it all sounds very logical, but it still doesn't feel right to me as it doesnt fall into place harmoniously, as opposed to my judgement, which does."
Arguing with an INTP:
"I can see you reasons, but your initial presuppositions are simply wrong. As a matter of fact, the opposite is true because my line of thought indicates so."
@I can't come up with something original same here. My thoughts are always : "I thought about this already, and your conclusions are wrong because you didn't consider x, y, and z"
Depends on which functions are more prevalent in each one really.
Hahaha basically every single argument with my INFP wife. I'm an INTP btw.
Great comment as always! ~ Nathan
Well hell, that just cleared it up for me. Based on this, the original assessment for me is correct (INTP).
Here I am again questioning wether I really am an INTP even though whenever I did this in the past all pointers directed to INTP over and over again. Thanks for confirming.
Glad to see the INTPs are coming back for their 2nd, 3rd, 4th opinions... ~ Nathan
15th, 16th, 39th opinions...
It's been my experience that the overwhelming majority of INTPs - female, at least (I'm one) - frequently questions that determination.
I've used that to jokingly confirm INTP status.
Not-Homesick NG seriously yes XD
ha ha I am an INTP too, I've taken the tests several times as well, wondering if I'd get some other result. But nope. My son is an INFP, I wonder how much of that is my influence?
Just one letter off just take the knowledge of both.
I’ve been mistyped as an INFP before, mostly I think because I don’t fit the INTP stereotype of being a heartless robot who doesn’t compute emotions. I know for a fact I’m an INTP by looking at the order of functions compared between the two types, INTP’s functions make more sense/feel more relatable to me than INFP’s. I used to really struggle to put myself in other people’s shoes as a kid, I used to be really puzzled as to why people reacted the way they did to certain things, both things I said and did but also what other people said and did. I decided to make a conscious effort to learn more about how to read and empathise with people, because I recognised it as an incredibly valuable skill to have. I wanted to be able to relate to people more, to feel more human. I wanted to be a good person, and I realised in order to do that I have to be more sensitive and receptive to other people’s emotions, even though it’s not something I’m instinctively attuned to. I worked really hard to force myself to see things from other people’s perspective, after all, I love considering things from new angles. It took a while, but eventually it became second nature to me to be in touch with the feelings of people around me, and factor that in to my decision making processes. I still really struggle with dealing with my own emotions, but I’m really proud of how far I’ve come in terms of understanding other people. Emotions are not really something that’s inherently important to me, but I know they’re important to other people so it’s hardly a waste of my time trying to understand them and read them better. Now I feel like my levels of empathy are probably higher than most people’s tbh, and I guess it helps being someone who’s super emotional myself.
I relate to what you say a lot. I always struggled since I was a kid to connect with people. I too don't really fit the mold of most intps. I think on a subconscious level I have gradually learned how to perceive how people feel. I think i tried to practice early on. I honestly dont care much for values i think seeing the world as it is and being a part of it is a better goal. Though I'd say one of my top goals in life out of the few I've ever had is to have a relationship where I'm completely connected and complemented by another person and we get to experience the world together. As terrifying as that sometimes is.
I relate to this strongly. I'm still on the fence about being an INFP, though, because I feel like this concious effort was made pretty early on, because of my parents' education style. I've reverted back and forth, but lately I've become concious of it again, and I feel like I have a pretty good grasp on other's emotions now. I still have my shortcomings, sometimes, but most of the time I'm pretty solid on that front. Not my own emotions, though, that's still a battle yet to be won, but at least other people's. The thing is, it's been so ingrained into me since childhood that I'm not sure if it's me or just conditioning. So no fucking clue, really. I tend to lean towards INTP, from the research I've done already, but the verdict is still unclear.
people think they want to be the smartest person in the room but it does get boring and disappointing. often they have to make a sincere and convincing effort to be surprised by other people's insights to make them feel valued in the way they're appreciated. they have to walk people through why they're wrong as if the intp is discovering it alongside them without letting them know that the intp knew it was flawed from the start. luckily we can be as direct as we choose online. if any of you were really intps you wouldn't be able to justify how 'not matching with common intp characteristics' in addition to being (what you perceive as) 'mistyped' somehow still means you're an intp... 95% of the comments on these videos are non-intps making desperate illogical attempts to anonymously prove they are one. often (as would make sense) their justifications come from arrogance (dunning-kruger) a la "I think on a subconscious level I have gradually learned how to perceive how people feel." ... sorry to say, but it's much *more likely* that you're all deluding yourselves and the "mistyping" is right after all
yeah me on the same shoes, cuz joining an organisation forces me communicate and have a good relation with them. but as i perceived how decision made, i tend to see possibility and logical terms. :)
Ahh yes I think I’m an INTP but my close relationships are really important me. It’s important to me how they feel and all that and I try to make a conscious effort to figure it out. And I actually do really value values 😂 and principles as I do logical consistency and critical thinking. When one fails me I just pick the other sounds logical to me 🤷🏾♀️
I still can't tell if I'm an INTP or a depressed and cold INFP LOL. I can't tell if I'm convincing myself and acting as an INTP as a defence mechanism when truly I'm an INFP on the inside. I can identify with nearly all of INTP traits but some of the INFP values too. I get more and more confused the more I research this oh my god it pisses me off that I feel like I don't understand who I am and I have no sense of identity
Edit: My goodness I didn't think I'd get this many replies over this year LOL so I still haven't figured out what I am sadly but I think if anything I'm a good balance between T and F, and whatever situation I'm in brings out parts of either side (the human personality is complex after all) Maybe some of y'all in the comments can relate to this.
My final internal observation of my behaviour is that I may very well be an infp that values intp thinking and tries to embody that in my life without realising, or an intp that's just a tad more sensitive and emotionally in touch with myself and others than the stereotypical intp/I value the emotional tact that infps kinda have.
I'm still confused, but good luck to anyone else who has this dilemma and remember this is all just some good fun :)
Idk but from your comment you seem more like an INFP
You may be an INTP who just also puts emphasis on values and feelings I myself am a bit like that. I see logic in orienting myself in that way tho still valuing the thinking
I am an INTP, and I do face the same conflict
As an INTP, I relate to this. I still struggle with determining INFP vs INTP for myself, as I do consider how others react and feel and try to anticipate that. I have taken various tests and come up INTP (and relate to one too many INTP memes) but I suppose I am just a artsy, unique, occasionally feeling-considerate INTP. You may be as well. Also, females even today are typically raised to be more emotional and more emotionally attuned to others, so that could be part of it too. Side note: love ur profile pic. Kirishima is the best
On the 16personality test I get 49% feeling and 51% thinking and I identify with both. All my friends call me logical and I'm pretty smart and I'm so confused
I certainly feel like INFP when I'm relaxed but sometimes an INTP
I think 24/7 pacing back and forth and don't stop thinking until I drift into sleep
I would really appreciate if someone helped me
Emotions weigh on INFP's decisions but feelings aren't exactly emotions within Jung's model. Feelings are rational, slow, and a form of reasoning that isn't focused on whether something is correct/incorrect, true/false but rather how important it is, how much it means, etc. (and that's where emotions play a role).
Emotions which Jung preferred to call affects, are irrational, spontaneous and closer to perception than reasoning. So INFPs don't react emotionally to information, but rationally, weighed by emotions among other things.
This is the most original comment I've seen this week. Thank you.
Ok... this is extremely useful information. Feel free to email us with any thoughts you have, I like this description/explanation a great deal! ~ Nathan
Yes. Yes and amen. Well said
I love this explanation so much! As an INFP I'm always troubled when pple say that INFPs aren't rational thinkers, while I feel like I always carefully analyse my information in an almost scientific way, and not just with my emotions
@@orianeo6947 INFP and absolutely agree. I have had arguments with other infps over their lack of being logical
INFP. I’ve always admired people who have linear thought process and can write their thoughts fallowing some consecutive structures.
I personally would tell for myself that I find difficult even structuring comments on TH-cam. If I watch a video and decide to write something I notice that different subjects and ideas come to mind simultaneously and I find it difficult to put them in order.
I'm glad that this is something you've also noticed. I think INFPs do extremely well with more abstract forms of expression (including more creative writing), words can be quite dry in the way they're commonly used ~ Nathan
Haha, I can totally relate and this comment is my second attempt to put things in order. 😂
But I feel that INTPs have similar struggles being all over the place, not knowing where to start when it comes to bringing things in order (e.g. explaining things briefly, writing essays and academic papers etc.), or at least I noticed that an INTP friend of mine can relate to that. While collecting knowledge, data and impressions by reading a lot is no big deal at all (maybe an Si-child thing), it's VERY difficult to not get sidetracked and overrun by new clusters of ideas and thoughts (maybe Ne-auxiliary). The Ti that I've seen in my friend can also loop and dwell eternally (like Fi does in my case) without being linear, therefore I don't believe that being Ti-dominant doesn't make people think linearly (is that even a word?) by default, even if it is a thinking function based on logic and what's true.
It's hard to explain, but I hope I didn't fail terribly. 😅
@@kleineapfelblute2456 yes, when I write a comment, my thoughts are well organized and I generally have a sequence of statements, but I have to proof-read myself about a thousand times because I skip words, or change expressions because they weakly convey what I mean, etc.; what I write does not follow what I think. The actual comment would be 2 or 3 statements, but then it lacks precision and I spend more time wrapping everything in an intelligible and acceptable blob before posting.
@@yanfoo Being able to edit comments has been both a blessing and a curse for me. I know what I want to say, but by the time I'm ready to say it, it's changed. And it's still not firm.
I have a particularly strong dislike of not being understood.
@@yanfoo so meta
it honestly depends on the situation, i generally fit into intp tendencies more but I am an artist and escapism is my jam lmao
''my rationality'' tells me that feelings literally cannot be perfectly expressed through words so isn't art the better way to express them without filtering them through our limited language
There is nothing that says INTP cant be artists, they are actually quite creative and cant help doing things their own way. The generaly difference is usually that INTP are trying to explore different ideas in their art, usually you can also see a sort of black and white aproach of flashing out evil and good, or ironicaly just switching them up and making the evil look good (which is how their lifes actually often turn out, being the ones with purest intention but being seen as the inhumane ones). Would like to hear your feedback!
@@saawysorenson4585 yeah i absolutely adore exploring different and unconventional ideas through art! be it poetry or visual art, i enjoy digging deep into the essence of emotions/experiences/honestly anything and figuring out the parts that came together to cause them to exist in the first place
@@ljesak This reply just screams INTP to me :)
check out beksinski!! he was never formally trained as an artist yet is one of the worlds most gifted artist.. hmm intps sure are sneaky lmaoao im an intp as well and i have a love hate relationship w art (i love analyzing it but i cant apply teqniques etc.) i love to write since its the most practical way to relay exactly what im thinking into existence (my brain and mouth are def incompatible) i really gave you my life story haha anyway look beksinski up hes amazing
This is where I am. I've been a performer, a writer, and a photographer, but INTP fits better, overall.
This question has been tormenting me a lot recently.... Ti and Fi just seem so similar and maybe that's why people mention that your top function is connected to your bottom function (8th function). Did I, as an INTP, choose to approach life in a logical/Ti way because that is simply my nature, or because I VALUE (Fi) logical thinking? It seems to me that they coexist and that one can't live without the other. Fi drives my Ti and in the case of INFPs, Ti can sometimes drive their Fi as well (It seems to be that following your emotions can be the most rational approach in some cases). Anyways, the point is: they appear to be two flavors of the same thing and it has been confusing for me to distinguish between the two. (same happens with Te and Fe). Really enjoyed the video Nathan!
So you (and two other people in this comment section) have brought up a very clever point. Logic itself can be a value. So that is an issue with the way I described them in this video. I must say, the comment is very logically written/explained. You give reasons for your thoughts and you do something I've also noticed (because I often do it) which is put bracketed sections in your writing just to... MAKE 100% SURE..the person reading it gets the exact/precise point you're trying to make. Of course I cannot possibly base this guess of reading one passage of text, but this tiny sample felt very INTP to me. And you're correct, in the Socionics typing system INTPs will be balanced with Ti and Fi, it would have been quite messy had I brought that up in the video! ~ Nathan
@@lovewho Wow! It’s funny to think that someone else (and probably many other people as well) have bracket addictions 😅. There’s another TH-camr called Eric the INTP where he describes his way of thinking using a very clever analogy I (and probably you as well) could relate to. That is, it feels as if when INTPs try to explain something, all the information is shoved and crammed through a tube all at once and you have to work with whatever comes out at random to attempt to piece together a linear argument. This is why brackets save me since I can place them anywhere I want since my thinking kinda feels like a shotgun blast and I have to polish it in real time (planning ain’t my thing haha). I haven’t gotten into Socionics yet but it seems pretty interesting. Thanks for replying! You have further reinforced my confidence in embracing myself as an INTP.
This comment and Nathan's reply make me more certain that I'm an INTP. Plus, the way we write is extremely similar. I'm truly amazed.
Had the same thought ! This is what made me question if im an infp . I'm an idealist but its because i think its the logical thing to be .
Exactly. There is always a room to use the other end of your dominant function. ISFJ and ISTJ can indeed use Ni. EXTJ use Fe when they have to control and manage a group, and fulfil their needs. And so do INTP and INFP use their opposite to really validate their dominant with it's opposite.
Otherwise I would be completely unaware of my values wouldn't I? (As an INTP)
I am an INTP with an INFP twin and you NAILED it. I actually think that my NF twin has been SUCH a blessing to my personal growth as an INTP because she gave me insight into the F side of things moreso than I naturally am inclined to consider. It has helped me to have more empathy and compassion for where people are in their internal navigation and, I believe, made me a better person overall.
Glad you enjoyed the video, thank you for this comment. INTP with an INFP twin!? Thats crazy and awesome ~ Nathan
infp = story telling
intp = theory building
I like this comparison very much! ~ Nathan
@@lovewho thanks for the compliment
It confuses me a bit, because im an intp and do both stories and theories 😅
@@blok8312 same
B Lok same about me lol :)
Still... this is so broad... I think I could be an INFP because I’m not very structured and I always choose harmony instead of fights, but I suck at writing and ,more often than not, I’m much more rational than most people around me, i think that even though I have my personal values , I don’t impose them on other people and I always keep an open mind seeing things from many different perspectives often even abdicating my feelings to make a decision.
I think that mbti can be a nice tool to know a bit more about yourself , but maybe , because of it being so structured , it ends up limiting your personality too much and maybe reinforcing many cliches that can be untrue to many people.
Many of the topics related to fi and ti about values versus logic are too black and white , for example, I value my values , but I don’t judge them as empirically right or wrong, because I think that maybe there is nor right or wrong. I realize how irrational moral is and that’s exactly why I don’t judge it lol however , I always try to follow my -internal- values as long as it doesn’t affect other’s freedom
@@waterbottle9603 you explained most of the dilemma I face better than I could.
I relate to you. I'd say, don't bother about the stereotype that much. I'm INFP, I love logic, science, math, computer. Literature and national language were my least favorite subject in school, and I have a bachelor in engineering.
Trying to figure out whether I'm an Fi or Ti user was, as you described, confusing. What sealed the deal for me was looking at my struggle, aspiration. Managing interpersonal relationship (Fe) is not my struggle, but I aspire to be more structured (Te).
When I discovered MBTI, I use it to help me understand people (including myself) better, and now I mainly see it as a tool for personal growth. Like you said, if used wrongly (only care about stereotypes, seeing the types as boxes), all these typings can be very limiting and potentially dangerous. But to know that everyone actually have all the 8 functions, and have the potential to unlock them all, and be their own version of balanced, well-rounded human being, is reassuring, and actually very exciting! I can't wait until we all get there, must be very harmonious world 😅
M A that’s true, it would be cool to “unlock” our shadow functions hah I’ve trying to approach MBTI like that as well :) thanks for this comment thought! I feel more understood now 😭
Gamtauru great to know I’m not the only one D:
Now I’m wondering about the difference between an infp with a high iq and an intp. I intuitively see logical flaws in things people say, and I’ve always hated the “status/popularity game”, and grew up as the smart kid. But I don’t really see the world from a place of cold logic. It seems that my immediate instincts are to go towards logic but my emotions and values immediately yank on me. I’m good at being detached, but I’m also empathetic and very sensitive. And I express myself through art because I can’t explain myself. My parents used to joke about my head being constantly in the clouds. This turned into a ramble but idk
If you want my opinion, I've seen many people here that wonder whether they're INFP or INTP, and most of them I would say are INFP, however while I'm not certain I think you're more likely an INTP.
Just as an INFP is entirely capable of logic and might be driven to constantly applying it by his surroundings the same can be true in reverse for the INTP.
Also having your head in the clouds probably isn't connected to this question, as that's something you're likely to see in both INTP and INFP as it's mostly a result of high Ne or Intuition in general.
Samuel Maier thank you! Good points. Maybe another hint that I could be intp is that I don’t want to be one, because I see the social weakness as personal and scary 😆 kinda screams lower Fe, although I’m not so arrogant as a lot of lead Ti’s seem to be
You're exactly like me and I feel strongly towards INFP. I think high IQ makes it easier for us to translate Fi to Te, but in the end at the most basic personal level, we still lead with Fi. Also my Ne is very high and when I'm detached from myself it's as if I lead with Ne (something else that's boosted by high IQ). I love system building and philosophizing, but all that philosophy is at every step judged against Fi.
Is logic more detailed and intricate and very detached to an extent that it can separate different arguments to their simplest forms? (INTP)
Or is your logic more fluid? And broad in its scope encapsulating multiple values to mean a certain thing. (INFP, if I'm correct. INFP aren't as "specific" in their logic as its reserved for the Fi)
Honestly you seem more as INTP who is in tough with the feelings. INFP are very very sure of what they feel and why they feel them.
This comment! Completely relate. I was initially the stereotypical ditzy, airhead, creative INFP as a child, but when I was 14, I went through a lot of challenges as I had a lot on my plate and I didn't know how to manage it all and was at my breaking point. Had a lot of emotional meltdowns. The middle of this stage, I did the 16personalities test for the first time and got INFP. Cue 15-year-old me and I'd changed a lot. I became a lot more laid-back and chill and nonchalant. It was around this time, l was doing this cognitive test, school was making us to do to assess our strengths and weaknesses and MBTI was included. I got INTP. However, in 16personalities I'm still to this day an INFP (and occasionally an ENFP). Other tests also fluctuate between the two (INFP and INTP). My theory is that I got sick and tired of my emotional outbursts and perceived "feelings" as a hindrance/unreliable/weakness of some sort subconsciously. I think I since then, I valued Ti with my Fi to act as a sort of "shield" so that I would never experience something as draining as that year. Kind of like method acting, to the point where it's become subconscious to ignore the bias side of my Fi and approach life through an objective lens. Now, I'm confusing myself - I might actually be an INTP but with reasonably developed Fi from my childhood? Arghh! It's so confusing. If there's one thing I'm certain of, is that my aux function is definitely Ne, and my tertiary Si. Some humans are too nuanced to be compartmentalised into labels, I guess. I have half of a mind to create a new psychological categorical system all-together where fellow confused INFPs/INTPs can be our own seperate category haha
Infps are capable of thinking they're any personality type and still be wrong
Haha ok this comment made me laugh, well played ~ Nathan
can you please explain your comment !?
@@adityaarya1056Stereotypically an INFP is very creative so often it is hard to find their true Identity. They are often multitalented and can share characteristics of many personality types.
@@arinaa195 totally agreed. "Still be wrong" part of your comment didn't fit well with the rest of your comment in my head, so I asked.
@@adityaarya1056 that was a little exaggeration to make it funny
Me an intp and my friend an infp are listening. But i think just by looking at us, and our behaviour, its very clear. She is awesome. And I'm emotionally dead.
Don't be so hard on yourself
Cheer up! fellow INTP. We can also be awesome!
Noone is emotionally dead me as an infp can see clearly when my ntj friend's emotions😂 you maybe don't notice when you're displaying emotions me and my brother may be an enfp where joking at how emotional the ntj person got when he completely figured out religion nd stuff it was after that when he started giving us facts that we agreed with him☺️
Ok this comment made me laugh but I also agree with the comments below, as a fellow 'emotionally dead' person, emotions can sometimes be your friend, in theory ~ Nathan
Yep, hate it when someone gets his/her way by charm when I know that the said person doesn’t have any logical base to the argument being made.
Also, the point about classifying things into logical and illogical.
Well explained!
Thankfully if people think that you are smart enough, you can often have your own charms to be used~
* Sorry if this sounds a bit cruel, but seems true in a way *
Glad you enjoyed the video! ~ Nathan
Welp I've officially lost my sense of identity am I an INTP or am I an INFP?
Imma go and have a quick mental breakdown
See ya 😗✌
We'll be here when you're back ~ Nathan
@@lovewho thanks 🥺💕
@@aleps6522 It's been about five months. Are you back?
@@thecoleopterist Yep
And I'm pretty sure I'm an INTP 😌✨
@@aleps6522 Great! Me too. Of course, one can never be too sure...
Do a INTP vs ISTP! Also ISFP vs INFP could be interesting also
I'll certainly get around to all of these comparison videos! I have the habit of starting new series before finishing old ones but these comparison videos will be an on-going feature of the channel ~ Nathan
I was going to suggest the same because in a recent conversation someone called me an ISTP because I used exercise in the conversation to provide a way of meaning in my life.
I love having arguments with people, very passionate ones, to the point of getting into cold, direct, and more personal. In the past, people have complained about this, even avoiding me. I have since learned to pick my champions, and mostly do it online now as to not alienate people around me. You may call me troll, as far as I'm concerned, I see this as a Socratic approach, pushing people to the extremes in the arguments, so I can touch the end of their thinking. I do not care about the outcome, neither do I care about the argument in itself, most of the time anyway, because this is how I challenge my own conclusions. As an INTP, I'm not afraid of being wrong, or rather I'm so afraid of being wrong that I can't afford having wrongful conclusions.
This is such a common problem not just INTPs have but all thinking types and especially thinking intuitive types ~ Nathan
Very relatable.
Basically no that's not what socrates did at all😂 he was neutral during the DIALOG and he was asking questions. He was calm he wasnt attacking, he wasnt getting personal. He was pushing them to the extremes while asking them normal simple (but apparently not that simple) questions. It was a dialog not a debate
@@melina10293_ oh the irony
we are the same person
I agree with 99% of this, but would change one part. I think INFPs generally don't fall into echo chamber thinking, and if anything that is more likely to happen to an XNTP. We INFPs tend to understand exactly what other perspectives are, and can even switch into those mindsets at will. But, we do get stuck in our own wonderland in the sense that we just don't get anything done. We just don't DO anything. This is why the vast majority of INFP content is like "how to be productive" and "how to stop procrastinating" and "how to stop fantasizing 24/7 and live your life." This problem could affect INTPs to some degree too, because we both have PoLR Se, but INTPs generally don't care as much about "feeling productive" and when they really need to, their logic can kick in to help them get stuff done.
Interesting! It's funny because I never put those two things together about the "how to be productive" being associated with Te inferior but it makes a lot of sense ~ Nathan
Ugh. Yes. The getting stuff done! Four things in my working formula-proper meds, list keeping, caffeine, and an inner dialog. After letting my brain float wherever for x amount of years and living that "oops, i buggered it again" life.. i finally have a system of telling myself to keep my head out of my arse and/or out of the clouds and tic the things off the list. It's my inner hall monitor. She says" hey its not my list, bruh its yours. Head in the clouds? You only hurt yourself. You keep hitting snooze? The lateness happens. Who do you embarrass? Yourself. So youre tired. So what. Drink some coffee and do your stuff. " Oddly enough it works. Downside-if Im flowing with the ticking things off the list, I resist doing anything that isn't on it. I can't walk and chew gum at the same time. I get flustered and overwhelmed. I'm working on the multitasking bit. Wonder how many years that will take me... lol
Agreed!
I'm intp and I do care about being productive when it's my job or school assignment. and also when I'm reading for fun - I want to be able to get into the story as fast as possible lol. I wouldn't say it's because of my logic that I would suddenly get shit done. It's beause other poeple give me a "kick in the butt" as we say in my country or maybe I become restless or energy fill my body out of nowhere, then I just think to myself "okey, so what do I need / want to be done with" and I do it. Also when I'm crafting or maybe sailing that's the times when I like FEELING productive.
That Fe tho. It does things to us.
I took the test 16 personalities test twice. The first time I got INFP and second time I got INTP. The third letter was 50/50 though. It makes sense though. I have a masters in mathematics and I like to analyze things. At the same time, I have been playing the piano for over 25 years and I love the being creative and emotional.
I recommend not taking 16 personalities test (if you are referring to that website) I've heard it's unreliable.
I personally took a wide range of different MBTI letter tests to see if I got one general answer, then moved on to trying to understand cognitive functions, and whether they align with the answer I got.
You and I are exactly the same
I cant believe i found someone who did the same as me. I am a software developer who would die for puzzles but i also love to play piano.
I’m an INFP and recently had a conversation with my INTP brother about astrology. He was annoyed because he finds the whole thing illogical and when he has talked to people who were into it they couldn’t provide him with any evidence to really back up their claims. I found myself focusing on how I dislike the idea of assigning characteristics to a person based on things they can’t control (race, gender, sexuality or even birth day/time) when you haven’t really gotten to know them. I hate the idea of being judged based on assumptions and stereotypes so I try not to do it to others. So we both agreed with the each other’s perspective and came to the same conclusion, but the things that bothered us were different. He focused on the logic and I focused on how it fit into my values.
I have an INFP mother and an INTP brother. I am an ENTJ myself. Though other people’s experiences may vary, I find that I get along with my brother really well, but have a really hard time communicating with my mom, especially when it gets emotional and I don’t see her reasons. I do find however that my brother and my mom seem to be able to communicate very well with each other (almost as if they have their own language) that often goes over my head because I’m too simple minded. Anyways, thanks for the video.
This is really interesting how the overlaps between types allow them to communicate with each other. It makes sense with you and your mother since the only two functions you have in common are your top and bottom function but completely flipped! One thing I do feel obligated to say is that typology has its limits with human relationships and that two people regardless of their type can find ways to interact in meaningful ways and communicate effectively! ~ Nathan
Hello, INFP human here with an INFP mother and INTP boyfriend.
I have difficulty communicating with my mom too. Being an INFP doesnt help, lol. But my mom is not well and she's been through too much adversities in life. It is understandable why she is tough to deal with.
But yeah you're right about the INFP-INTP having like our own language, the INTP has a way of seeing our points, sometimes perspectives and their ability to be okay and at peace with not agreeing with us helps too, especially with people they love and care about (if they don't care or are indifferent about you - in that moment or at all times - oh man are they ruthless! You can forget about having the same language lol, the INTP has probably made the INFP cry or explode in anger by now). When they care about someone, they seek understanding/truth, that is the person's rationale for arriving at their thoughts/truths. They're even willing to add more warmth and heart in their intonation when they talk to you if you are very important to them.
Most of the time I'm hurt by his tone or why he said the things he said since INFPs are sensitive to people's intentions which can be conveyed in the tone of their voice.
I'm an INTP and my friend is an ENTJ, I've never clicked with anybody in my life as much as I do with him.
I'm an INTJ and I have an INFP mom and INTP sister. Even though Fi is a tertiary function for me I still feel like it makes it easier for me to understand my mom than my sister, even though on paper it seems like my sister and I would get along better.
Wow. I have an INFP mother and I've tested as INTP before, and I have a brother. I'm certain he's also INFP, though. I get along great with my mom, but I can't hardly tolerate my ESTJ dad.
Thanks for your video. What confuses me most is that I think I am an INFP but I see a lot of advantages in creating those neutral metrics. I am actually really fascinated by highly efficient processes and structures. I try to use them in my daily life myself but I guess what I don't like is if your individuality is dropped completely. I think a good mixture of both fits best with my values while not neglecting Te frameworks.
Yes! I, too, feel the same way. Individuality is important, but so is structure which I am incredibly fascinated by and try to inculcate in my life. Being 'unique' doesn't really matter to me since it is logically impossible. However, I do give individual expression a lot of value.
May be you are an ENFP. They are more receptive towards Te metrics. Or you may be an INFP who aspires towards your inferior cognitive function. Just ask this question to yourself, what is more difficult and infuriating for you. Is it an Si tradition that demands that you settle down instead of carrying on endless exploration (in the world of ideas and imaginations) or Te metrics that demands that you be competent and productive in this competitive world rather than being always concerned about your personal value systems.
@@Hari-kx2er I don't think I'm an ENFP. First of all I need energy from being alone (Sign of an Introvert, not extrovert) and secondly Si tradition can bother me yes but it's not my biggest concern in life. I'm not sure if you heard of Objective Personality before but in their concept Single Deciders like f.e. INFP's and INTP's are kinda weird about People and Single Observers like INFJ's and INTJ's are weird about things. My issues often concern people and not things. I could be mistaken and have a wrong type but if I'm honest with myself the decription of INFP's fits me best compared to all other types although I would love to be another like an INTJ XD.
Very interesting! So the inferior function also represents something a type greatly wants to improve (and I believe can greatly improve). You mentioned objective personality in one of your other comments. I've been typed by Dave and Shan as Lead Sleep ISTP, so Ti and Ni as saviours. That would of course put Fe as my inferior function, yet I spend a huge amount of my time trying to understand people, interact with them better, seduce them (figured I'd just go with complete honesty here). So in the same way you described, I'm fascinated by what could be considered as Fe-esque things. So I don't see an issues with your interest in Te as an INFP! ~ Nathan
Bro I’m an INFJ and I fricken love ur videos I’m not sure if your just appeasing my TI but when u explain things it’s so streamlined and easy to digest
I'll appease your Ti...I'll appease your Ti all day... ~ Nathan
"Shallow", "Chameleon", "Social game", ah yes. Yes I am (:
It's just hard to put my views out there because people think it's cruel etcetc. Rather shut up so I don't die due to exile
The constant threat of social expulsion...
haha this made my day, so accurate
Oh yes.. As an INxP I relate alot. If I tell what I think to someone's face (such as their logical flaws, their nonsense approaches), then I'm scared they will just ignore me afterwards. If I'll point out their flaws (the things I mentioned before), then I'll make sure my tone and words will be expressed exactly what I want them to be. I'll also come up with Win-Win solutions (to make them feel better and not to waste energy on unnecessary drama). And btw, I had to read this comment back and forth to make sure the words I was saying were correct lol. I'm still not sure if I'm an INTP or INFP tho.
The INFP has an emotional filter that they run everything through before they begin to process any points that you wish to make - I find it's not a good idea to try to re-phrase an idea with them in order to make it "more understandible" because for them, that's a whole new feeling that they also must experience before they realize that you're repeating yourself
Ohh that's very handy advice actually, thank you for that one ~ Nathan
Oh good! I wasn't sure if any INFP would want to correct me as I'm assuming they know themselves better than I do, haha
@@obscurellepriscillatopin7506 late comment but as an infp yes definitely this is true
@@halisternator well, I'm passing through but I'm glad if I can help by steering everybody to somewhat extra clarity in a way 🥺
I always wonder why Ti is associated with cold and utilitarian. Obviously that is only one type of Ti, where the foundamental principle is to maximise common good.
The fundamental principle(s) is/are essentially arbitrary in a logical sense and comes instead from emotion. Ti is only a means. The user has the freedom to choose on which principles they wants to operate Ti. For example, to maximise long-term personal pleasure is a valid fundamental principle for Ti.
Ok I love this comment and this thought ran through my head whilst saying that example in the video i.e both the Fi and Ti mindsets I talked about, in a sense, are both using logic just as a means to different principles they think are worth while. Utilitarianism I agree is not representative of Ti's mindset, I thought it would be a generally useful idea to convey the point but it has the flaws that you pointed out. ~ Nathan
@@lovewho Yes. I too was going to gently express my disagreement with you on that example. I actually suspect that the reverse decisions could be more likely--Ti having chosen a framework and sticking with it in the face of conflict and Fi determining that a higher principle exists within themselves than the previously chosen framework.
On another note, perhaps my INTP desire to maintain harmony is especially strong, but the mentions of INTP arguing and the desire to hit people with Ti do not ring true at all to me. In almost all cases once I realize we're not going to make progress in a discussion, I'm the first one to diplomatically move the conversation into more pleasant pastures. Some/most arguments are just not worth the ill will. I have my own well-considered determinations, mind you, and I'm not lightly swayed. It is just not particularly vital to me that others come to my point of view. What am I missing--I thought INTJs were more likely to argue their point vehemently than INTPs.
Its a lot easier to identify as a INTP male: my best friend from university is a INTP and its amazing and wonderful how similar how our weirdness is and how well we get each other. Loved HG Wells and Lovecraft both INTP writers. Loved Carl Sagan and Einstein. Sadly i am INFP and society doesnt like INFP males...
You do realise that even if other people don't like you, that doesn't matter. All that matters is that you are in the correct position so that you know that the other side is incorrect. If the other side is incorrect about this, imagine the other things that they could be incorrect about.
As an INTP I sometimes wish I was INFP just so I could think like Tolkien did, which I see you also are a fan of, Blackblade ;)
we need infp men tho, every male people I have met was emotionless
Fuck society, I mean it's useful and even necessary in many ways, even in this modern twisted form, but it's definitely not a good metric to measure your worth against. Jesus, look at the people who are at the top. Raging narcissists, con artists and full blown sociopaths. A sad bunch really.
You would be surprised how attractive emotional men can be to women
I’m an INFP and my husband is an INTP. We have been fascinated with each other since we first met. While we deeply understand each other, we have completely opposite skills and interests. We love working on projects together because, between the two of us, we can do anything. It’s a beautiful combo i’m my opinion ❤️
I'm an INTP but when you said "If you find it hard to express your emotions and find expression in creative things" it resonated a lot I also did when you said "You don't know how to put your feelings in words"
INFP here. I admire Te. I wish I was better at it. I wish everyone was better at it. But when it comes to it, Fi wins the decision. To me, the end does not justify the means, which is why I side with Cap for the most part.
I'm with cap too despite being a Ti user! So the example I gave certainly has flaws. ~ Nathan
@@lovewho Well that seems to make it easier to type you
Me and my intp friend both obsess over our inferior functions once we've realised how valuable they are in the world.
I worked really hard to get the highest grades and then get into a good uni and i still get really insecure about my academic performance even though I've consistently done well. Every job I've had I've been told that I'm one of their best employees because I become a perfectionist and hyper organise
I was shocked to find out my friend was INTP because he's one of the most social people I know and builds a friendly rapport very easily. I asked him if hes sure hes introverted, he explained that he doesn't enjoy interactions much but has realised progress in our society is dependant on networking and every person you will meet has the potential to be useful one day.
I founnd it really fascinating, we seem to value our inferior functions more than most others do
Love this!!! Two people who are developing natural weaknesses.That will make you both powerhouses! I should be taking notes here... ~ Nathan
This is a very interesting comment. I agree with you a lot and I think thanks to you I am finally certain of me being an INFP. I really like working with organized people, it's just easier ;) I also do value Fe a lot, wish I could be better in it, but I don't feel any need to be very good at any cost.
Do you think sometimes that maybe you're trying too much in work, and you're too tense and could let go a little bit?
i discovered that my brother is my shadow ( Entj) and he truely helped me during my childhood to go towards people to succeed in socialization because i observed him but i do not share that is why we can laught together and fight also 🤣
I always get on-the-fence result between T and F (45/55) and this video was all very weirdly relatable. My first strategy with social interaction is be nice and small talk as I've learned, then when the conversation continues, I get bored and it shows.
Yes! The small talk charm has a really short battery life indeed! ~ Nathan
You're on good form Nathan👌 Especially love the way you explain about the inferior functions👏 Well, earned cup of tea😄
Why thank you, I really did enjoy that cuppa! ~ Nathan
In my limited observations (a.k.a. personal experiences), I find that usually INFP's will mistype themselves as INTP because they do think about things or they are great at school, therefore concluding they are INTP, but a lot of their "Why did you react this way/ believe what you do?" answer is because "I feel XYZ." I know a lot of INFPs and I'm always baffled when they bring the "I feel that/this..." reasoning into something, because the feeling seems to be their logical reasoning. While writing this, I realized when I say "I feel XYZ" it's my way of saying to people "This is a hunch and has zero factual basis behind it, so don't take it to heart." There is another way to help determine if you are INTP or not LOL. XD
I say I believe, way more than I say I feel. In my opinion feelings can bias the real answers.
@@--hEaVeN-cn4gx Same, I tend to say "I believe" or "I think" but mostly because I'm afraid of not being taken seriously, starting a statement with "I feel" and being a woman.
It's hard for us INTPs to be emotionally honest. Fi is our role function (socionics): although we use it, it seems that we can't control it enough to describe it. I think that the easiest way for us to communicate it is through symbolisms (and actions).
Interesting point. I tend to follow my intuition, because life has taught me that it's more reliable than I'd like. However, when pressed, "because I felt..." doesn't work for me. I'll say it, but it irritates me, and I'll analyze my decision half to death, until I understand why I made it
Thats strange, since I feel like the opposite. I identify as INFP relating to everything, but somehow I do feel more like INTP when it comes to my sense of value and morality. Every moral standard is thought to maximize the wellbeing of creatures...So confusing, i'm literally 50/50 INFP and INTP
I argue and talk like an INTP but I'm inside I'm a crying INFP
same lmao
INFP brought up in an INTP culture and worked 20 years in an INTP job. Critical thinker but much influenced by disgust on one end and appreciation of childlike playfulness on the other. I'm supposed to be highly judgemental, but most of the time I'm very open about how people live their lives. Everybody seems to be doing the best they can with what they have. The black lines, however, are firmly drawn.
I'm either an INTP, INFP or ISTJ. I like to be quite organised which indicates Te but I also love to debate and correct on menial details even when they create big arguments which could be Te or Ti. Please create more in-depth analysis videos on these MBTI types.
So we have loads of in depth videos on here of INTPs and INFPs, feel free to check them out and let us know if either resonate with you! ~ Nathan
thank you for explaining the difference! I'm an INTP who's trying to understand how other people think in hope that it will make my life easier lol
I mean... I think thats a very logical approach to be honest, same here! ~ Nathan
I'd love to see something like INFP/ISTJ, not for telling them apart, but for demonstrating what it looks like when the cognitive functions are the same but in a different order. I'm an INFP in a relationship with an ISTJ and it's really a fascinating contrast.
I’ve been seeing the ISTJ/INFP relationship combo come up a few times now and I think it’s interesting because I’m sooo certain my bf is an ISTJ even thought he typed once as INFP and I am more likely to be INFP than INTP as I’ve believe for years now.
Great video! I know I am definitely an infp even though I work in stem. I love biomedical research, but my passion for it “stem-ed” from the realization that innovative research requires a great deal of creativity to conceptualize theories and models as well as question and consider different perspectives to enhance our current understanding.
I also definitely love to write, draw and paint! These hobbies have helped me learn to express and understand my at times muddled thoughts and emotions.
I'm an INFP and I have a close friend whose an INTP. This describes our differences perfectly! Awesome video :)
Glad to hear you thought it was accurate! ~Nathan
Thank you so much. This actually helped to cut through a lot of the BS prevalent out there. As an INTP with an INFP housemate and INFP best friend, this is invaluable information. I can't like this video enough!
What about an infp who values intp's values?
Is he going to resemble intp's thinking style?
How would you spot him?
Mar Mellata bro I think you might’ve solved my mystery
I think this comment could represent Ti. I do the exact same thing. "But what about this specific paradox?" Everytime I question myself, it's from a logical, consistant place. I need to have a consistant understanding of the world, which often leads me to be "attached" emotionally to it. It's another INTP paradox. We're attached to our detachment.
You seem pretty infp to me
Even after watching this video and taking several tests , I can't decide if I am an INTP or an INFP . On the one hand , I love analysing everything , from my own life to scientific and philosophycal theories . I am usually the one who makes difficult concepts very easy to understand for other people by taking a very logical approach . I always had problems with maintaining friendships and relationships because I was too busy with my own curiosity and creativity . I am extremely excited whenever I understand a particular concept and I can't stop until I completely get the logic behind it . This sounds very INTP.
On the other hand , I am an incredibly sensitive person with a great talent at poetry and music ( everybody appreciates what I create ). My poems are very personal and people are usually charmed by them . Some of my friends told me that I had managed to put into words exactly what they had felt in some situations in their lives . I also used to write hundreds of pages in my diary as a teenager . Lots of friends and family members seem to find me a person with whom they can speak about their emotional problems easily . I don't consider myself very empathetic though . I just think that they need someone to talk with and I feel that I need to be there for them , not because I honestly care about their problems , but because that's how my morals are. So this should be a sign that I am an INFP, right ?
Taking the cognitive functions test was even more puzzling , since my Ti and Fi are usually equal or very close to one another . Te was slightly lower than Fe though . My Enneagram type is 5w4. So am I an INFP then ? No idea ...
I know this is an old comment, but I'm in the exact same scenario. I've analyzed every enneagram type and the subtypes for each one, and in the end it looks like I am an 5w4 sp/sx. But I relate more to the descriptions of INFPs than INTPs. This means that I'm either a highly emotional INTP or a highly logical INFP. When you think about personal values for INFPs, It'd make sense if an INFP could value logical thinking as one of their core values. I always tend to approach emotions by attempting to be more rational and breaking them down into something more logical, something solvable. I often dive deep into debates / arguments about specific things in order to fully understand those things in a logical sense, which is reminiscent of type 5, or an INTP. BUT, this could simply be because I strongly value logical reasoning even though I am an INFP. On every single MBTI-test I have taken, INFP has always been #1 and INTP #2, and my Enneagram-tests call me a 5w4 541. There has also been multiple situations where people mistake me for an INTP. So, as you said, maybe we're simply INFPs with enneagram 5w4, and we value logical reasoning?
@@ChaozelHi. After doing a lot of research all these years, I came to the conclusion that I am ALMOST certainly an INTP 5w4. You should pay a lot of attention to the cognitive functions ( I'm not sure if you are familiar with them). Your 4th function( the inferior one), is a huge indicator of your type. All of us idealize the 4th function because it's something we're not naturally good at, but at the same time it's something that we can learn to be better at and it will make us very happy in the long run. Do you idealize efficiency, fulfillment at a job, results, numerical systems ( low Te for INFPs) or do you idealize social harmony, inclusion, a group of friends, acceptance ( low Fe for INTP)? I definitely idealise Fe, even when I create poems, because I want other people to feel understood by reading my words. I feel very fulfilled by making other people happy and validated, even though I don't always manage to do it right ( it's low Fe). For me this is more important than having a fulfilling career or obtaining lots of degrees ( something that people with 4th Te would rather idealize).
Then it's important to know what kind of logic do you use. If it is Ti ( INTP) you are like a detective, you like to form your own logical conclusions and theories without being influenced by other's reasoning. I am certain I use Ti and not Te because I really enjoy seeing logical inconsistences in systems of thought, religions, even history or psychology.
Do you care more about accuracy ( Ti=INTP) or efficiency ( Te=INFP) ? Are you more annoyed by fake people/ inauthenticity ( high Fi = INFP) or by illogical people who make general assumptions without having enough data ( high Ti= INTP) ?
I wrote a long answer, but I hope it will bring you more clarity.
@@hlh9848 Huh, that's interesting. Judging by your description of the inferior functions and after reading about them on the internet, it seems like I share a few of the characteristics of inferior Fe, as well as dominant Ti. Though, I never felt like I've had any difficulty with understanding other people's feelings (which is probably just a generalization of how INTP's cognitive function stack works in social situations and not always true). I am a programmer and have studied computer science but I only program because of the creative aspect. Composition and music is my primary hobby, so all of those things combined point towards introverted feeling dominant. Also, I don't really idealize efficiency or job fulfillment, results etc, but I definitely struggle with those things. That might be indicative of inferior Te. So I'm leaning more towards INFP it seems like. Still not 100% certain though. I redid the MBTI test twice (I know it's not accurate) just to see if anything had changed, but I still got 58% Feeling and 42% Thinking. Anyways, this information was of great help. Thank you for the answer!
Edit: Nvm, I actually do idealize social harmony, inclusion, having a group of friends and acceptance, which I struggle with. So this means I have both inferior Te and inferior Fe. (just kidding, I'm just confused as to which I struggle with more). Also, I am bothered by both fake, inauthentic people as well as illogical people who see everything black and white or can't motivate their opinions logically.
@@Chaozel Yes, it will always be difficult for us NP's to come to a conclusion, it's very usual for our types to question ourselves continuously. I just want to add that composing music isn't necessarily related to introverted feeling. If you are more interested in the structure and the elements of music rather than the feelings evoked by it, that means you rather use Ti. Also, you said you are a programmer, and I imagine that in programming there's a lot of contextual/mathematical/algorithmical reasoning involved( Ti). Also, these percentages you see on those tests are not that relevant, the cognitive functions are the key to understanding MBTI.
Anyway, I'm really happy that I could help you clarify this !
@@hlh9848 It's funny, I mostly enjoy music because of the feelings it can evoke. But I'm also extremely interested in the methods that composers use to evoke these feelings in their music. (I am a music theory nerd). It's not that I particularily enjoy the process of learning music theory, but I enjoy the outcome of learning about it because it allows me to use it for the things I do enjoy (which is to compose emotional music). So you could probably describe me as an INTP-ish INFP, since I enjoy composing music because of the emotions it can convey, as opposed to the process of learning how to make that music (which I often find tiresome or boring). But I know that in order to achieve these things, it will require that I research the corresponding material while applying logical thinking where it needs to be applied, even if I don't feel like doing it. I explained this in a confusing way but I hope my point got across. 😅 But really, thank you for your insight about this! You gave me some invaluable advice.
I really can't decide. I've got INTP on so many tests but at the same time, I can't completely find myself in it. I had INFP a long time ago but I was deeply depressed so I wanted to check. I would definitely kill if it was saving more people in the end but part of me is not even sure I would care... I'm emotionally detached but at the same time I've always been an artistic kid with a mild interest in sciences. I wonder if I wasn't a mistyped INTJ because of depression since I was a kid, because I've always been a planner but couldn't go through some of them due to mental health. I also like to learn but not necessarily just for the sake of learning. There's generally a goal I have in mind in the end. I hated school because of that (and because it was unnecessary long and slow), I also always have been good at reading people, seeing lies and dishonesty on their faces (or even sometimes just by being told about them, I'm rarely wrong). With time, I learned to let go of debates and I accepted and mastered the charm aspect of relationships. I even consider it to be the most important type of intelligence to have if you ever want to go anywhere in the world. There's no point in having brain power if you don't know how to, sometimes, blend. We're a social species, it's unavoidable. In this regard, both INFP and INTP would get on my nerves, because I feel like they expect the world to adapt to them (I've probably been like that when I was a teenager). I will never ever know my real type is... Thoughts ?
i've actually been there, i've been mistyped as an intp in my lowest, yet i'm an infp, and im fond of maths, its not because you love art that you can't be an intp, its not because you love maths or science that you can't be an infp. the thing is, you'll never find two identical intps or infps, don't mind not fitting with either, bc you might be that unic kid that doesn't even fit with the unic kids, :'). anyways, my intuition is telling me you're an intp, i don't know how this can help, but just wanted to share my experience so that you know. also, you might have learnt to let go of debates and mastered the charm aspect of relationships because of your developped functions, you might have developped your Ti so bad that even your Fe was developped, this is growing, and its fine, because types do struggle with their inferior functions, but they can arrive at a point where they can control it, yet, they must always keep in touch with their dominant, or else they would get stuck in a perspective they can't stand. so yeah thats why i think intp fits better for you, oh also, you might be indecisive because of your Fe, :') which is somehow a lack of knowledge of your inner feeling side, so yeah
@@manelrahmouni1216 good comment
This comment is very INTP. The inferior Fe shows. One of my good friends sounds like this (I'm INFJ).
@@keanu4489 haha didn't even see that I had that many likes. It's been a year and I'm pretty sure I'm not an INTP in spite of the relative coldness. I'm about to get typed by OP so we'll see! Thanks for the opinion though!
@@manelrahmouni1216 yeah, possible that my inferior functions grew that much. One thing in favor or being INTP is, I'm very very independent and wish to be self-sufficient to a point where it's unrealistic in spite of knowing we are social animals and how important relationships are. I just hate needing people or asking for help.
You have described me and my SO on spot. Thank you for making this clear for us and the rest out there.
When you were saying about the imbalance of Ti and Fe with the INTP, I don't look at others but I do it almost always all the time to myself.
Your INFP description is really on spot too! It fits all of what I know from her or what she has shown from all of our endeavors and hurdles.
I'm an INFP as far as I can tell so far with all my research. However, I continually question this because I love logic; mainly because I'm also deeply in love with the idea of absolute truth. While I believe that everyone should decide for themselves how they should live, morality is a very fixed and immovable structure that I believe applies equally to all humans. If there is no absolute truth, no absolute right and wrong, than life is meaningless, and the incredibly deep feelings that I wish to express through my art are all completely irrelevant. And while I first and foremost wish to preserve inter-personal harmony in any human interaction, it still pains me a lot when someone argues a point that is clearly wrong; although I suppose I'm less interested in the logical structure of the argument than in the substance of the argument itself.
I don't know, I'm confused, and I didn't explain this very well at all. Sorry for all this rambling! I'm really enjoying your videos Nathan, keep up the fantastic work!
That you love logic isn't really an indication. Actually it might be a sign that you're an INFP, an INTP would probably not really associate it too much with his feelings, instead he just lives it.
An INTP usually learns early that trying to impose your logic (in the end most 'logic' is still subjective, as it usually doesn't refer to the logic itself but a dataset that's consistent and allows logical conclusions based on it and what's presently observed) on others is both difficult and often not worth the effort. But when something seems illogical to him he will HATE having to follow the conclusion nonetheless.
Yeah there is moments where we can't resist, like the ones Nathan mentions in the Video, but most of the time we will hold back.
Also what you say about the logical structure of an argument VS its substance IMAO strongly indicates INFP. Most of the time INTPs can sustain argumentation that goes against their logic, this is vital to validate your logic. It's just when they're asked to follow through with it that they'll have issues as in the end they validate everything and most of the time the present knowledge with its already many existing interconnects trumps any concept that's trying to replace it.
Hmmm very difficult to get any clues about which type you are from what you've written. And you're certainly making a very well-written clear to follow point in this comment with a few "if this then this" statements of conditional logic. Also you're low-key opening a can of philosophical worms (can you imagine if worms were philosophical?) by talking about 'absolute truth.' I lean to towards the branch of nihilism that says life is inherently meaningless but, we get to make our own meaning both as individuals and as a... species. If somehow it is proven that there is no absolute right and wrong, message me before you destroy all your art, I'll buy it off you!! ~ Nathan
@@9SMTM6 Very insightful, thanks so much for that!
@@lovewho Thanks so much for your response! Honestly, I see absolute truth as something that is very self-evident, that we are created to intrinsically know this. Logic of course is a tool, but it is useless unless you begin with truth already, since it can only take you from one truth to another, and can’t produce truth for you out of nothing. The bottom line for me though, is that I do not believe that everyone can have their own values and ethics; since if one set of values and ethics is right, then all others must be wrong. But I desire for everyone to be convinced about it in and of themselves, and make their own conclusion about it. I am always confused about the ti and fi differences insofar as ti is true/false, correct/incorrect, while fi is good/bad, right/wrong, important/not important; that seems like the same thing to me. And maybe it boils down to personal vs. impersonal logic, but I have a really hard time really deciphering that. Is it maybe that the conclusion and the decision made is the same, but it’s just arrived at a slightly different way? For me also, I value my emotions very highly and strive for personal consistency. Effectiveness or efficiency, not so much. I want my life to have meaning, purpose, and value, and for all my endeavors to add quality to other peoples lives. Anyway, I don’t know if this really is worth anything, but I really appreciate your input and expertise!
You're so eloquent in your manner of expression 👌
Some recent events in my life forced me to wonder - "Yo you sure you are an INTP? Why you concerned about these people so much?"
Then I saw this video.
Nop, still a hardcore INTP.
The fact that there are people who don't function like this is probably my biggest pet peeve of all time. Extraverted feeling sucks, but unfortunately it's the social norm (even though I believe we have evolved to a point where we don't need chemistry in our brain to tell us right from wrong, would love to hear your thoughts on this).
This is why I fell in love with opinion-less languages like maths and computer programming. Everything is described using logic and every problem is solved using logic. I actually didn't even realize why I loved programming until I read the INTP description on 16personalities.
Wait, what do you yourself consider as right and wrong tho?
I think the assumption of having evolved past the use of simple chemistry in our brains is not quite true. In many ways, we are still the children of our paleolithical ancestors, and the use of Fe is not only standard operation for some personality types, I think it is also a mechanism for cooperation. We need to make sure to stay in our tribes, because we don't know what could be out there. We are basically Apes with nuclear bombs. Then on the other hand, I understand how INTP's can feel troubled in this exact world. When Fe causes you the most trouble, it must be hard because caring about feelings is, for a lot of people, the non plus ultima and they can't understand, how you couldn't care less. But try to understand. Since I learned about MBTI it has made me a lot more patient with people. I think this is actually the best thing about it. It helps me understand, not only myself, but also why others don't work the way I do. I think that is an important realization - INFJ
Just wanted to highlight that Programming, and even Math, isn't entirely opinion less. It might be that you can completely retrace every single step in these frameworks, but when it comes I. E. to your fundamental assumptions (math) or the syntactic elements you use (programming) there's still a lot of room for opinions.
But yeah, it is about as opinion less as it gets.
These two types are so intertwined! Good discussion, hard topic. If feelings are dismissed, then what is the point? And if thinking is dismissed, then how can one succeed? Such a muddle!
So, I've taken a couple of personality tests so far and I always get INFP, yet I have this feeling that I might still be INTP because of my constant overanalyzing of literally everything and trying to break everything down in my mind (I plan almost every social interaction beforehand). With most points you made in this video, I could immediately agree with the INFP one's but had to think a little longer on the INTP points (I still agreed with most of them). So in the end...I'm still not really sure :')
“Ultra logical doesn’t necessarily equal rational” Fascinating! Never thought of it but it makes sense. For example, if you were devising a marketing strategy using logic to sell your product wouldn’t be as successful as playing up to people’s irrational buying behaviors/psychology!
2:45 Biggest problem with INFP's - they never express verbally what they are feeling but expect the other person to be able to have a clear view of their inner world of feelings. This leads to miscommunication, heartache and misery for all parties involved.
Legit what all my elementary school teachers used to tell my parents and I that I needed to do more of. I suppose whenever something was wrong or I had more questions, I just expected them to be able to read my mind and know what I needed without verbally asking for it lol.
So one teacher would joke and tell me she’s not a mind reader when she suspected I was holding something back from her.
But honestly barely remember a lot from elementary anyways. Most classes I was too busy looking out the window daydreaming movie scenes or possible conversations of telling the mean kid off, or doodling on papers to know what the heck was going on to begin with. 💀
Yeah..it can be a mess.
@@doodlemunchkin2222 These are the reasons why I, an INFJ, loves INFP's.
@@AliImran-ut7mv oh, nice lol.
Great video! That last part reminds me of my childhood as a younger sibling of brilliant older siblings who were very articulate. For a long time I thought I was just not very smart compared to them because I found it so difficult to convey my perceptions to impatient articulate and academically advanced elders who worried about my strange and naive brain, lol.
Oh gosh...the “pedantic” arguments. Been there, done that :D
ENTPs are the Queens and Kings of this ~ Nathan
Thank you for making me question myself, then providing clarifications and examples to confirm what I already knew. Very informative :)
{• I love art •}
INTP,
But as a tool for finding symbols of a truth that otherwise is beyond our grasp.
What I mean is that its unlikely for an INTP to create meaningless art, only for the sake of aesthetics.
@@-xorxito-6736 yes to all of that. But what I've read of INFP, it doesn't quite fit me. I don't find myself trying to shoehorn my way into INTP, it just works.
Art is a wonderful reminder of something more. Plus now and then they have artistic movements with set “rules” of style so it’s nice to see who’s best but then you remember it’s art and you try to explore yourself- like “do I, on an individual level, actually like this??”
-INTP
I see that every artist is a genius and every genius is an artist 💎. (INTP)
@@thatonekid4688 Damn, dude, gtfoh of my head! I've said almost exactly that when looking at art.
Thanks, great video. I identify with both types and always have, it's just contextual. The tiebreaker for me was when you got into aesthetics vs. substance. I value both but am clearly INTP.
I really liked your explanation on the inferior function. Easily the best I've heard. Well done.
This is great to hear!!!! ~ Nathan
Impressive video. You`re so articulate and straight to the point. I relish when you express your toughts about INFP and i can see how passionate you are in front of the camera thinking, feeling, expressing yourself. INFP and INTP are so similar and complex althought little details make them so unique between them. In this lockdown i, sometimes took those mbti test since im bored hehe. 80% of the time i get INFP Type, the rest is between INTP and ENFP and sometimes INFJ, i wonder if is this you case too?
BTW are you British? Because i love your accent ;-)
Thank you, this is great to hear! Yes I am British, I'm from Wales!! ~ Nathan
@@lovewho Has Irish accent but claims to be Welsh. Cannot compute
I got more confused.
I do have a strong sense of morality.I always question where my values came from and the reason I chose them (mostly by reading about other approaches or opinions on a certain topic and try to understand how the other side thought about this and how I did and which one has better reason/logic).
I'm also very empathetic but don't act upon it. I can put myself in the other side's shoes and understand where they come from, often debate on their behalf even if I completely disagree with their moral reasoning. I can empathize with you but don't know what to say/do, and it comes off as if I don't care about people around me.
I don't have social common sense. I often ask people around me about how I should behave in social situations (not that I necessarily think that people should be behaving a certain way, but because the country I live in puts huge emphasis on manners and respectful behavior)
I do have a very hard time explaining the complexity of my thoughts, especially to sensing types. my younger brother(INTJ) usually gets me the fastest and explains to others. Even when I explain scientific concepts, I use weird analogies and often do a very bad job at it.
I don't have any artistic talents like writing or drawing, but I admire people who do.
I don't see myself as the genius-know-it-all.
Anyone that has and idea what's my actual type? is it neither of the two?
A bit late, but based on my understanding, you seem a bit more like an INTP. I was on the fence too, but more toward the INFP side. And you actually kinda re-assured me in that, as I've just right now realized, that I have held some of my principles since middle school (about 10 years ago). Throughout that time, I've had various people that I actually respect, make compelling arguments, that I should basically stop being stubborn about never doing X. I've even sometimes considered that perhaps X could be fun too. But my ultimate conclusion was always the same - fuck X, X is evil, X reminds me of Y and Z that are also evil. I was about to say that I'd bet money on how nobody will change my mind until the day I die, but that wouldn't mean anything, because I'd have extra incentive then (not that I need it).
I am more a thinker than a feeler, but the thinker side is not so extrem like my n and p traits. Its very interesting. I like to think in filters to observe things. My favorite is the impersonal side. I have values, but I don't like it to use it for the big answer. Its just subjetiv and not the absolute truth. Because I like to use the objective filter frequently, I am being missunderstood and a lot of people feeling offended. There cannot handle the objective view. I am able to understand and sometimes to feel why there are upset, but its not important enought for me. Then I love music. I hear a lot. And its my way to actually feel and not to think. But beside that I am not the great feeler outside of this moments. All in all I tend to be more to be an INTP then INFP. (So is my obvervation, but I am not always 100% sure)
They are both right-brained. I think it's a continuum between the 2 types (I like Harry from CPT' views on this matter). And I also like Davesuperpower's notion that a feeler might even be better at using Ti/Te than a thinker (because of a potential higher IQ). I think it's important to correlate the personality type theory to brain research (neuroscience) and development theory as well - and refine/redefine how we are using the mbti. Because, if the framework is just describing very broad tendencies among people, it is crucial that we don't use it as a form of horoscopes that can tell us everything about our lives and other people's lives (I should say that i am very guilty of doing this myself, quickly assessing the personality types of people and matching my interaction style to them accordingly).
Yes, I agree
This is why I’m still so confused about whether I’m intp or infp, because I have a pretty high iq and I intuitively see logical flaws in things people say, but I have tendencies of both types
Extremely well said, I also am a big fan of both CPT and DSP! ~ Nathan
@@lovewho Thank you. And good job doing these videos. They are not easy subjects - I suspect this has taken some time.
This video was pretty fire for explaining these differences. You said it wasn't in depth, but it was more in depth than most I've seen.
I know an INFP that could be mistaken for INTP because of his interest in subjects that require high-level logic (advanced math, physics, music theory, etc), but logic is a tool to him, not an approach the world. Te is like a little man riding his back. He is always aware of this form of criticism and is exhausted by a belief that he must 'prove' his theories by example and copious evidence before anyone will even be open to his ideas at all. Due to his high intelligence and skill at objective analysis, though, it can be hard to distinguish whether his judgements are based in F or T until you get to know him well.
Fascinating, I agree that they can look remarkably similar. That INFP sounds very interesting! ~ Nathan
Τrue is not that which cannot err.
Even truth errs when applied to the wrong side of a problem.
I think of truth like a piece of a puzzle, which fits perfectly into a specific part of a whole.
I can absolutely agree.
And it reminds me of...
How many INFPs there were and are in my life. They are so similiar to me but yet different enough to be interesting.
I wrote a check list to decide (based on my feelings which seem to be symptoms in this case) if I love a person. I made a DEFINITION for myself and it helps me.
And all of them. Agree with my list. But they just FEEL love. They just know if they do.
Where I ask myself "What do I like about that person*? What qualities brings he/she that makes being with him comfortable in long term?" etc
*yes, I got another list for that
If you let an INTP understand, that there are reasons for emotions they can learn to handle them instead of fighting. I hate that conflict between "I feel like doing this" and "It'd be most rational to do that".
If you let an INTP understand, that there is reason for social behaviour and it is actually helpful = it makes SENSE to be social, they can learn to adept and evolve.
As an INTP my biggest character trait is curiousity. I NEED to understand.
And one of my biggest complex intellectual challenge is understanding feelings.
100% with what you said about curiosity, it must be satisfied ~ Nathan
My brother is INTP and I'm INFP so this video is too real 😂
@_ yungdexta I feel sad for you that he still didnt get the relay on this qestion.
And i was exited to reed the ansver.
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One of my closest friends is an infp ( hi I'm the intp ) and aaah. We both are night birds and even tho she is very private about everything for no reason we can talk for hours. Interestingly I'm highly communicative. I've been once typed Entp before. 60/40 intro/ extraversion. Maybe that explains why I'm not as "quiet" as I'm supposed to be as an intp?
We can and do talk for hours. Especially since quarantine since we both have time. Religion, morals, childhood, trauma, sex(uality), cats, school, future etc. Everything! I like those 3am conversations ^^
INTP/INFP siblings, I bet that was an interesting childhood ~ Nathan
I love INTPs... :D I can relate to many things you said about intps though, I think infps can be very bothered by illogical or untrue things as well, if we love logic and truth, but I will never reach your awesome ability to go that far and see that clear with logic, we are more vague with observations, e.g. "I feel like he is that type..." while you can discern a lot clearer and express your thoughts better. I agree that the communication is very different between these types.
I'm an INFP that thought I was an INTP for a while, due to repressing my emotions through depression.
Also, my Enneagram type is 5w4, and there are a lot more type 5 INTPs than INFPs.
So, to an extent, I'm somewhat of a mixture; or I value, & know how to emulate Ti pretty well.
One thing I didn't mention, just because it complicates everything, is that in Socionics INFPs will have quite a balanced relationship between Fi and Ti ~ Nathan
@@NoCharName I think I agree with most of what you said. I would further add that my seemingly imperative moods are often flavored in a way that comes off to me as an ineffable intuition or stroke of conscience. Sometimes when I try to go against my mood, I'll even get a precognitive, deja-vu-esque gut feeling of exactly the mood my current trajectory will put me in if I don't reconsider; & I've found it seldom misguides me-but if often flies in the face of common sense logic.
Hed Rocks Excellent explanation!
YES.....you DO deserve that tea after such a mental marathon.....fabulous video :)
As usual, another excellent video. Thank you so much for producing such informative and entertaining content.
Thank you so much! Also, it's awesome to have an ISFP making content! Might be a good idea to do some videos about how ISFPs interact with INTPs, INFPs (or compare them!), INTJs, INFJs, they tend to be the types which get good views on videos to help people find you! ~ Nathan
I used to communicate using song lyrics and proverbs. I don't know, I think I can do both, I can be abstract and I can list logically. I liked that example from the value judgement side of things. I can see the point, that this is bad because it sets a bad example to humanity. Here's an example. Some people were hiding from the Germans, but the babies were crying. They chose to let the babies cry and everyone died. In that situation, you can make more babies, the babies have to die to save everyone. I think I would have to hide somewhere else in that situation. OK I fully appreciate your principles, but I would like to survive, so good on ya, and see ya.
Maybe you should try to do the same video with an INFP in order to compare the perspective of each type to see what Fi feels about Ti and what Ti thinks about Fi
Fascinating and helpful. I have long considered myself an INTP, and for me this video supports that. I have strong affinities for value principles, and for abstract communication forms such as music and dance and story, but my approach to all these things tends to be heavily thought-based. I love ambiguity in art, but my fascination with it seems to be rooted in its contrast with my natural way of processing the world. And if it becomes too abstract, so that I can't find attachment points for conscious interpretation (however tenuous and vacillating), I lose my appreciation for it.
oh, this time..... you were spot on with INTP... like.... 110%...
Love it! Thank you ~ Nathan
@@lovewho I thought you said you're infp at some point.
Im actually quite convinced that I am an INTP. I usually think in a logical and analytical way and I’m pretty good at adapting to certain situations. But sometimes I’m unsure about my personality type, and that’s the point where I do research about my type and the other possibilities (possibilities = what other type could I be?). I was unsure about my type today, and I did some research again. I went on TH-cam and I stumbled across this Video. I watched the Video and it helped a lot. It gave me an overall better understanding off my type. I could safely say that I’m an INTP now. I know this video wasn’t too deep but I already have a lot of knowledge from my past researches.
Great video with a great explanation!!
Please do another part... I'm still not sure.. I'm kind of both
Fabulous content, per usual.
In the video, you make the point that both INXP’s are “Framework Builders”, which I think is an excellent way of wording what both types ultimately want to work towards. However, you mention that INFPs create “value-based frameworks”, which I think is correct, but you also claim that INFPs base their frameworks on how they feel emotionally and their preferences, which I’m not sure really gets to the heart of their distinction from INTPs . I think emotions have little to do with how INFPs create value-based frameworks.
For example, I think both types are concerned, first and foremost, with consistency (which I don't think you say explicitly, but I think you hint at it). With INTPs, its more of a focus on logical and perhaps causal consistency, whereas with INFPs, I think it’s a focus on consistency with how one values something. It’s a subtle difference, but I think it changes how each type comes up with their respective frameworks. For example, I think INFPs are more inclined towards just acknowledging that some values are arbitrary and leaving it at that. However, what can piss an INFP off, is when someone claims to care about, say, justice, but then upholds justice unevenly in accordance with their whims. INTPs, I think, are more inclined towards wanting to come up with a universal framework that doesn’t just submit to human biases towards such concepts as justice without sufficient logical justification. Though most INTPs would probably think justice is better than non-justice and would get mad at it being upheld unevenly, their more interested in justifying justice as a good thing, as opposed to worrying about the impartiality with which the ideal of justice is enforced. Perhaps I’m wrong, but I’ve noticed that Ti types (especially XNTPs and XNFJs who are more focused on the abstract) are more inclined than XNFPs towards incredibly detailed and tedious arguments about what makes some values such as justice, equality, or any other abstract value, good (which is usually defined as that which stands up to the scrutiny of logic) and you can see this in many Ti philosophers such as Socrates, Plato, and even Sam Harris. While few INFPs are complete relativists when it comes to values (as I’m sure most people in general aren’t), INFPs are more inclined to think “it’s fine that you have these values that are different to mine, but if you’re going to claim to value”x”, you better act like it”. INTPs, however, aren’t going to let you off the hook as easily as far as how you justify what is “good”.
I might be wrong about this, but I’m pretty sure I’m an INFP and I always sense a disconnect when people immediately associate the Feeling functions with emotions. Perhaps F-types can get more emotional than T-types (I’m sure that’s probably true), but I associate Feeling with values, whether they’re derived internally (Fi) or externally (Fe).
I’m looking forward to you dissecting this to hell and proving how I’m actually a moron for merely thinking any of this :p
I was looking forward to dissecting this to hell and proving how wrong you were too... but... I couldn't. So I'll simply say, well done, thank you, and... feel free to send any thoughts you have about the types to our email address (which is in the description of most videos), I'm always looking to hear new perspectives on the types, especially ones as good as this! ~ Nathan
This is THE best material I have come accross that explains the differences between INTPs and INFPs.
This is great to hear! ~ Nathan
Poor Nathan is terrified of the cerebrial terrain of the infp. Im so proud of you for tackling this one for us, bruh. Hmmm🤔 there is this eency weency thing that I've come to realize. Yes, infp's indeed filter things through personal value systems. This well known observation has often annoyed me (as an infp) for one reason- I find myself veery si heavy in my decisions. What I mean by that is facts/logic absolutely matters in my decision making. There has never been an inkling of a whisper that Im any sort of intp, but I'm unable to place an understanding into my personal value filter at all unless there is substantial fact supporting it. logic, and/or pattern has to ground it for me to even feel anything about it. I thought this made me a freakish infp ( ha!)or a distressed one or whatever... But then I stumbled across a snippet out there tangled in the internets that observed that infp are split between being ne heavy, and si heavy.😃 I use my si in partnership with ne. The way I see it, i want to know/ understand from all the angles. The hard facts matter. equally important is the subjective human feel of the thing. Leaning to one side is like building an argument with half a toolbox. I like aall the tools. I'm greedy that way. Or maybe I just like to win arguments, get in my feels, and write about that. I think it could be a pattern.. lol
"I like all the tools" - this is an insightful comment, as is the part before I about "building an argument with half a toolbox." Also... you're hiding half of your face in your profile pic, I'm very curious what the other half looks like... ~ Nathan
@@lovewho profile pic = 4am birthday night out. Them" i think you might be drunk" me*blush* hide face"yep" .
My blushes are usually made of titanium dioxide so it was a rare moment indeed. saved it.
Lol perhaps I will switch it out for a bit... if you can brave the gray matter of the infp, i can come out of hiding i suppose.. sounds a fair trade
Haha, that Marvel example reminds me of a mini argument my boyfriend and I had leading up to the lockdown here. He (an INTJ) was trying to convince me to buy a hand gun for protection - and to use it (we live in South Africa, shit can get dicey) - and I (the INFP) was refusing. He threw every argument he could at me, and it's not like I didn't understand, but the answer was always the same: There's no point in me buying a gun, because I won't use it. Killing another person to save my own life is not a win to me. Obviously, I'd prefer to keep on living...But to survive under those circumstances would be so distressing to me that, in short, I'd rather die.
I appreciate this video. It does bring up some qualms I have with the MBTI.
You talk about Ti as utilitarian, logical and systematic as opposed to Fi which is emotional and value based. I wonder if you know you are assuming our Modern spirit of Pragmatism, based on an underlying Cartesian foundation. DesCartes believed empirical studies in science were objective and logical, but value statements were subjective and personal. This belief underlies much of our post-enlightenment thought, but it is in itself subjective, and is at odds with many belief systems. Many people do not see values as any less systematic, logical or objective than empirical science. And many see empirical science as subjective, limited by lack of knowledge and faulty interpretation of data. I say this, because some intps think they have won an argument with logic, not understanding that their logic is based on faulty premises, which on the end are always based on values.
Ok this is an impressive comment. While I was describing Ti that way, and to be honest more broadly, I do feel like the examples I use are practical but don't always make complete sense when they're analysed. The desire to use logic or see logic as worthwhile is, in itself a value judgement. So I agree, it's values all the way down! ~ Nathan
Correct logic should always be based on reality. This isn't a perfect process but I would say overall science has a good understanding of reality which is why the computer and internet you are currently using is working correctly.
_"Many people"_
Many people doubt New York exists and are certain Yeti is real.
Do *you* have an argument or...? 😅
Yes, if you state you love pizza (and it's true), that's objective. And subjective - in another sense of these terms.
There you go. 😩
Honestly, you're absolutely amazing in terms of understanding other people.
For some, that might mean that you simply generalize people and tend to look at them in a more metaphorical way, but you clearly need a lot of "empatic muscle" to be able to put yourself in so MANY people's shoes. I don't know your type but I'd guess you're ...an INFJ o_o
You can be both logical and extremely methodical in your approach to these videos, but you also "play it fair", as in, you never tend to pick a side when comparing personality types
That's one of the very cores of this whole MBTI thing: the more you want to deepen your understanding of it, the more you'll have to internalize that all types have advantages and disadvantages to them.
And you pick them up super smoothly and with precision - I can see it especially in videos when you compare my personality with the personality of the people closest to me, and at that point, your approach to these videos justifies itself perfectly because I can utilize your generelized yet extremely detailed comparisons between types for me to more easily highlight the glaring issues with my approach to life in a healthy way at least.
Anyways this was my rant about this channel in a nutshell after spending a lot of hours watching Love Who - and it's only getting better!
yes my writing is messy and poetic. we stan
I realized yesterday that I'm probably INTP, not INFP. Dang. It's shocking but explains so much. The confusion was that I am deeply in touch with my emotions and have a strong poetic streak, but I despise emotion-based judgement. I also realized that I don't have a framework of values, above what rationally makes sense to be right or wrong. I also bite back criticism of stupidity and irrationality for the sake of harmony, inferior Fe at work, giving me inaccurate test results! Also, most examples of INTPs are male, since it's a rare type for us ladies, and there are biological influences at play. Anyway it's mainly shocking because I've studied MBTI for years and mistyped myself!
Do INFPs ever confuse their emotional reasons for logic or am I possibly speaking to an INTP with a weak Ti?
Honestly, I have seen what I think are people confusing emotional reasons with logical reasons quite a lot so it is entirely possible ~ Nathan
@Scarlet Baxter no, I actually relate quite a bit. I'm an INTJ/INTP/everything else because what're the odds that I'm an INTJ?
I've been a professional illustrator for five years and am now leaving it for an engineering degree.
...funny how we're almost the opposite.
I say, "I feel..." a lot because I'm referring to my intuition. It's difficult for me to backpedal and retrace the logic I used to get from point A to point H. I'll just give someone that H, say that "I feel [it's justified]," and move on. I understand this is not at all what you were referring to, I just thought I'd mention our quasi-similarities. Perhaps you are an INTP. I typically relate to INTPs far more than I do to INFPs. I think it's normal for everyone to be in touch with their emotional biases, we'd otherwise be psychopaths.
Also, something I've noticed with MBTI is that language used to describe abstract concepts ia difficult to pin down. What you're "afraid of" might not align with your inferior function. I'm not terrified by the idea of engaging my inferior Se, I am rather reluctant though. I'd say being emotionally vulnerable is far more terrifying to me. Fears change as you get older. I think instead of what you fear, looking at your greatest weakness could be helpful.
@Scarlet Baxter don't look at the Letters or rely on the test, learn the cognitive function of each type individually.
Here's my conclusions according to my understanding
Te : stubborn, rational, realist, majority, traditionalist 土-
Ti : open-minded, free-thinking, logic, individual, anarchist 風+
Ni : will-power, focusing 土+
Ne : imaginative, seeking 風-
Se: physical, active, impulsive 火+
Si : spiritual, laid back, considering 水-
Fi : moral, personal value火-
Fe: ethics, 水+
INTP
-Ti -Ne -Si -Fe
INFP
-Fi -Ne -Si -Te
INTPs got superior Ti while having inferior Fe
INFPs got superior Fi while having inferior Te
For me at least, as a textbook infp, emotions and logic aren't necessarily exclusive from eachother. To me personally emotions are a natural thing we all probably feel as sentient beings and therefore are infact logical to feel. After all ive been told that depression and anxiety or any other mood disorder is caused by the repression of emotions and so not feeling your own feels just seems entirely illogical if you're ultimately just going to end up subjecting yourself to one of those incredibly debilitating disorders. We have emotions for a reason otherwise why would natural selection allow for them to be passed on in the gene pool? Bypassing the emotional aspect of the human experience seems to be the most illogical thing we can do as a society and I would argue that valuing "logic" over emotion is what has led to such a huge mental health crisis that we all see today.
@@toastedcoconut6095 it is reasonable and healthy to experience emotion. It is unreasonable and unhealthy to not experience emotion. I never spoke against this simple fact of mental health.
I was asking for clarification on the video's topic.
This kinda helped. I could still relate to some of the INTP stuff. Then I've read the comments for half an hour, and then went back to the Marvel example. It wasn't ideal at first, because I couldn't relate to *that* specific example, but I've eventually realized that, I'd definitely sacrifice the world to save an individual that is important to me, which is the same thing of principles and individuality and "I just cannot do it" versus doing what makes sense. Because letting the world get destroyed to save one person sure as hell makes no sense - where would we live afterwards? But I'd still do it despite that.
Thank you, this quite explaining me (INFP) and my dad (INTP). Other families think we are the copy-paste. Lazy, not really into speech but expert at writings, secretive, and sometimes annoyed my ESTJ mom with our relaxed mode 😂. But really, we do come different about solving stuff, and quite stressing both of us
INFP with an ESTJ mom, wow, that's intense ~ Nathan
Thanks for the explanation! I was really confused because I am an INFP but I need a strong logical base to accept arguments and sometimes understand feelings, or simply approach some subjects from a logical POV and others from an emotional POV, but with this I think maybe I developed it as a way to communicate and interact better with the extroverted thinking society we live in
As an INTJ I value logical strategy. I don't like certain actions and dont neessarily agree with a lot of them, but I understand them and will accept them. Kill 10 people to save a thousand. 2 evils but one of them is the better choice. Now on the flipside when my INFP friend and INTP friend end up clashing I always get dragged into them because not only can I be the voice of reason and better cater to my INFP friend. I am also the voice of logic and smarts. They are both their raw types in the sense of an INTP being far too nit picky and an INFP being far too emotional for their own good then looking to unfairly place the blame on others for their own mistakes, so to me is seems that no matter what I do, I am always in the wrong, even when playing to both sides.
I'm a sociopath but can on most part keep myself in line, though empathy still eludes me. Basically what I am getting at, is if anyone has advice for a brother constantly stuck between a rock and hard place between 2 friends (of which all 3 of us hold the other 2 in very high esteem) then I would love to hear it
Honestly, I don't think you could be said to be "in the wrong". You're not exactly the main player of their game so I guess you can still save yourself somehow
Play to your INTJ strengths, problem solving... When settling a disagreement, ask both parties what the objective/goal is, and if their suggestions are really necessary for achieving the objective. It helps put things in perspective... I mean if the objective is to fill a glass with water, who the fuck gives a shit HOW one goes about doing that as long as the glass ends up being filled with water?
And, in the case of equally valid arguments, you might as well just settle it with a coin toss, lmao, to keep it fair. :P
You're the INTJ here though, i'm sure you might have even more efficient problem solving skills than me, i'm techncially an INTP by a hair, but it's more accurate to say i'm an an INxx due to the last 2 values being a near perfect 50-50. :P
I'm an INTP-A and the best way to get an INTP to stop their assault is to appeal to their Fe, oddly enough.
Because we are rather blind in this area, telling an INTP something they didn't know about the human condition can give us pause. But, don't make your appeal too sweet or illogical - it literally needs to make sense and be spoken straight-forwardly and not with emotion.
@@kevrokka.d.9749 sounds about right.
Question, when you say "i'm a sociopath" do you just mean "i'm not good at reading other people's emotions/ i don't care" or have you literally been diagnosed as a sociopath by a psychologist/psychiatrist? Because i may just be making up a weird theory as an INTP with a knack for psychology, but i have a hunch that a lot of people diagnosed as sociopath/psychopath end up typing as xNTJ since they don't care too much about people's feelings (low Fe), are usually very driven in achieving their goals (high Ni), and care mostly about the results (high Te). After all about a fifth of all CEOs have traits of sociopathy or psychopathy, which is about five times as much as the general population, and most CEOs are ENTJs (admittedly quite a few ESTJs too since they also have high Te and low Fe, and although i don't know about the number of INTJ CEOs i have a hunch it's not that low). That might just be correlation, not causation, but it's an interesting thought experiment. Similarly i've also theorized (again, nothing serious with real data, just letting my mind go full throttle) on a link between INTPs and the autism spectrum because of the hyperlogical (high Ti), emotionless (low Fi) approach to things and the obsession on things being a certain way they're used to and stucking to their comfort zone (third slot Si) and generally being a bit weird (high Ne) and not great at socializing (kinda low Fe). This is mostly based around the lower end of the autism spectrum such as high functioning autism or asperger's syndrome (i have it and i'm an INTP so yay sample size of one) because i'd say the upper end of the spectrum with nonverbal people with serious cognitive and motor impairment should be considered an anomaly and excluded from the sample size (i'd argue the same about the upper end of sociopathy and psychopathy, Ted Bundy wasn't your typical xNTJ so shouldn't be considered). Sorry for writing a fucking university essay, that happens way too often whenever i write about something a bit esoteric, but i think it's interesting to consider that the MBTI doesn't exist in a vacuum separated from every other aspect of psychology, and while most serious psychologists like jordan peterson aren't actually convinced of MBTI's effectiveness, it would still be interesting to read an actual paper about this supposed link.
This was very interesting to watch. I’ve taken the MB several times in my life and always come out evenly split between T and F. Which shows dominant for me fluctuates but looking at the raw data it’s pretty even. Listening to you describe each point, I kept thinking “yeah-that’s me”. I find I use tend to be more Ti at work and Fi elsewhere. Enjoyed listening to your explanations- you’re a good educator.
My favorite character wouldnt sign the accords as an infp! I bet you know who he is nathan. An infp will have no problem saying no to something (even though that's the hardest thing for them to do) if it goes against their moral code of what they feel is right and wrong. Great vidya bro I hope your doing well!!
Glad you enjoyed the video! I enjoy the whole process and community associated with the channel you might say... I can do this all day ~ Nathan
A future video that would help me personally would be an "are you an ENFP/INFP" video. Love your channel.
I will certainly be doing that video at some point. I'm glad you're enjoying the videos! ~ Nathan
My family is so mixed.. I'm infp, my sister enfp, my brother intp. My mom is estp while my dad is isfj... while my grandma is infj( we stay with her)
I'm still the one that's misunderstood the most
Hey Nathan, I really enjoyed the vid as usual. As an INTP male, I tend to get along with INFP girls pretty well (often artists), something just feels familiar and endearing, and makes me wanna hang out, and now I have a better understanding as to why we just click. The structural similarities make them feel very approachable, yet our Fi/Ti opposites makes them different and interesting (and frickin annoying at times, a mutually shared sentiment I suppose, too bad that I'm objectively right😝). I realize now that my occasional rational approach to art must have awaken their dreaded Te for sure ahahah!