Phoenix wins in Jet mode but Takara wins in robot mode. I'm all about cartoon accuracy. No regrets with my pre-order. I already have Seige Jetfire so I don't need Phoenix.
I mean. It's undeniable that TT has seen some very rough days an the Masterpiece line got pretty weak for a long time, but damn people is literally traumatizaded. Like literally, most things comming after MP52, have been at least decent but the community's blind negativity is just crazy.
@@dustyyshellz1320 MP-52 is awesome. The jet mode looks great, better than crimson wings, and the transformation is easy. Crimson wings looks nice, but I don't want a needlessly difficult and un-fun transformation when MP-52 is so much simpler and more enjoyable.
Excellent review Ben! I really like the figure, if it was $200, I could justify it, but at $250+ 🤔. Especially with already owning Phoenix, Siege, MS and New Age seems redundant, The mini figures are nice, but $209 gets you XTransbots Stack and room for legends. On the fence here. I may wait for a solid KO. Nice to have options
that storage is SUPEr niceee. most of my accessories are in the box! on thing i will say is mp skyfire altmode isnt as streamlined as fanstoys. he chest pieces forms a weird clunkly look. otherwise excited for mine to come in
@@Benscollectables for me it's that the robot mode looks a little derpy, almost depressed, and mainly due to the head sculpt and the major slopey shoulders look. The only thing I like more about the TT is that the knee engineering is waaay better and proportionate than Phoenix, who suffers from "mid-thigh knee joint" syndrome, which looks bizarre if you bend his legs too much for action poses. Its the one big letdown with that fig. The legs on the TT at least bend where knees usually bend. If TT had a cooler head and face sculpt, maybe slightly less slopey-sad shoulders it would be top.
@@hardsellcomixreviews7514 proportions count. The slopes are too slopey, and the face looks like HP Lovecraft. I don't care about toon accuracy, i care it looks cool. And you mean Jetfire ;)
@@davidcauley9400 he doesn’t look like a macross Valkyrie, so I mean Skyfire. I personally care about tune accuracy because that is what I grew up watching so seeing Skyfire and other autobots who aren’t heroic looking changed to look super heroic defeats the g1 aesthetic for me
I've been noticing something on my two copies of this along with all the reviews I've seen so far and that's with the feet. Even this review seems to have the issue with the left foot at 11:29. On mine, either the left or right foot has a heel that will not open flat by 2 to 3 millimeters. It's not a big deal now but what is causing the problem is that the flat edge on the inside of the heel is hitting the ankle rocker joint along the circular bottom part where the metal pin is inserted. I don't know if that circular plastic piece is a little thick or just not pushed in far enough when the pin is inserted. This isn't an issue in alt mode since the heel is folded into the front of the foot. I'm wondering if the weight of the figure could cause the bottom of the ankle rocker joint or inner part of the heel to crack over time. I thought about shaving down the inside of the heel a tad until it can lay flat.
My biggest issue with Phoenix is the knee joint placement, it looks silly the more you bend the legs. But the MP has a goofy face and a bit smaller, and expensive.
I wish people would stop comparing Phoenix to this guy. You are comparing a figure that came out 8 years ago to a new figure. Phoenix was designed before the dark times. Before the Tooning.
The animation doesn't make characters look the same in every shot. I could see Optimus look like all his toys in different shows. Starscream the same. Sometimes SkyFire looked kind of cheesily drawn like the MP figure and sometimes he looks more stoic like the FT version. I feel like different interpretations are just fine. I am having to cut back on how many I buy, though. So, KO and FT are pretty much all I buy now.
This is an 8 and Phoenix is a 9. I like how the Takara does the chest, but the face kills it for me - it lacks definition and looks like he got stung by cyber bees. The thighs also look a bit thin to me.
Not sure where the obsession with the toon accuracy comes from. 2d low resolution line drawings IMO aren't a good design to build a 3d model from. The reason I liked the MP originally was they were like the original characters were real, detailed like a real robot, but looking like the original character. I'm not a fan of completely flat featureless panels because a low budget cartoon didn't draw any detail.
For me, I tried the realistic look and the figures just felt off. I think the tool figures just give me more nostalgia just bc I grew up on the original show
WHY WILL NO ONE GIVE HIM HIS EARS!!!!! Mine as a kid were broken, so having them unbroken on mine is very important to me, and no one has put out a decent one with the horns atall. SUCKS.. Or am I wrong, and Phoenix has them? If he does, i'll reword my saying to add "that doesn't require a 2nd mortgage" on it. lol
Licensing , the original toy shared the design with robotech / macros … been loads of battling in court to get the figure where it is today … that’s why it took so long to get a figure that even looks remotely like the original and why the g1 toy looked so different to the animation
makes no sense how is this figure so much cheaper that prime! confused dog face! bwahahah to be fair I think the fall of cybertron looks way better especially after a repaint!
no its solid, edits were only put in as i took forever filming as i tried different things to make it easier.. i usually shoot in one go and chop it up
@@Benscollectables Ok. Good to know. I have Phoenix and am very happy with it. I don't mind double dipping and getting an official one too. But if it's a nightmare like that new 3rd party Ultra Magnus figure, I'll just pass.
Interesting transformation. Don't think it will hold up over time though?Some of the parts look cheap and like they'll break easily. Fans Toys is an easy win for me and I'm a massive skyfire fan. Not a fan of his piefire bot mode. The original g1 animation for skyfire was pretty bad so replicating it in 2023 doesn't look good in my book. This is an easy pass. I guess if I liked the toon accuracy, I would probably get this...the ko, not the official
There are way too many Compromises with this figure...Gappy and Belly Floppish Alt mode, too sloped shoulders, hip rachets from titan class, and lastly lack of Premiumness. I'm will wait for a KO with Diecast feet and thighs, better Sping rachets in hips and comes with 8 mini figures for $180.
First, LOL! I feel so childish But I'm so excited, as the minute I opened my parcel to find my very own Skyfire, I saw Ben's review - literally posted the same minute I'm going to love opening mine as I watch your review sir (EDIT: Also, do people who post comments first get a prize? Like a cookie or 2 points or something?)
For me, it's not that it's "too toon", it's that they seemed to have picked the absolute worst animation cell of Him possible. His proportions are so weird, his face looks like melted ice cream, and his inflated chest covers his face from a lot of angles. Phoenix may not be as close to the cartoon, but it's closer to how I think of Skyfire and looks %1000 more premium and cooler. Cheers if you like the Takara, but it's an easy pass for me.
i'd say more than 50% of the cartoon had wonky animation cells. For the toon lovers, part of the appeal (for me at least) is embracing the dedication to capturing the oddities while still making a robot that can turn into a nice looking alternate mode. But that's why it's nice to have so many options for one character
Both FT Phoenix and Siege Jetfire look way better than this guy, it's not even close. This thing is as bad as the "toon" MP Bumblebee... bot modes looking like elementary school drawings. I usually don't trash figures, but wow... there's no justification for how goofy this thing looks. lol
i think to my eye, the more they chase this toon accuracy, the uglier these figures look. the siege version would be great if it had proper MP style hands and wasnt so hallow and gappy like everything hasbro makes. Phoenix is perfect tho
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Phoenix wins in Jet mode but Takara wins in robot mode. I'm all about cartoon accuracy. No regrets with my pre-order. I already have Seige Jetfire so I don't need Phoenix.
I think you meant the opposite
I mean. It's undeniable that TT has seen some very rough days an the Masterpiece line got pretty weak for a long time, but damn people is literally traumatizaded. Like literally, most things comming after MP52, have been at least decent but the community's blind negativity is just crazy.
I love mp52 as well 😍
@@dustyyshellz1320 MP-52 is awesome. The jet mode looks great, better than crimson wings, and the transformation is easy. Crimson wings looks nice, but I don't want a needlessly difficult and un-fun transformation when MP-52 is so much simpler and more enjoyable.
I can’t wait to do Stop Motion with this bad boy! I’m sure it will be just as enjoyable as FT Phoenix 🎬📸🎞️‼️
Actually based.
@@dustyyshellz1320 I was counting mp52 too. I really like it
Excellent review Ben! I really like the figure, if it was $200, I could justify it, but at $250+ 🤔. Especially with already owning Phoenix, Siege, MS and New Age seems redundant,
The mini figures are nice, but $209 gets you XTransbots Stack and room for legends. On the fence here. I may wait for a solid KO. Nice to have options
Totally agree, options are amazing, what a time to be fans hey
Yeah. A bit overpriced but affordable compared to modern MP standards. Like MP Optimus I kinda regret even paying like $320 for.
I think the price is fine considering he’s towered over Prime, who was double the price.
Great video and review. I just picked up a FT Phoenix for my collection. Choice was the size and overall design. MP Jetfire looks so cool.
Been worried about the ratchet lengths on takara. Seems annoying but starscream does similar so I’ll live
i ordered from fans toys phinix rifle for this mp skyfire my rifle came in last week tfsource just got this in stock just ordered mines
Now I reeeeeally can't wait for my pre-order to come in!
You should have waited for the ko
@@Scro10m I have no issues with that idea, most of my collection is 3dp with some kos. But Jetfire is one of my unicorns. Had to have the Takara one.
Looks good. For a total package it looks so worth it. Ready for mine to come in
Super solid review Ben. MP version's head.. looks like he's wearing an Aunt Jemima bonnet and I can't unsee it
that storage is SUPEr niceee. most of my accessories are in the box! on thing i will say is mp skyfire altmode isnt as streamlined as fanstoys. he chest pieces forms a weird clunkly look. otherwise excited for mine to come in
this is the best mp since mp-13, perfect jetfire
I prefer Phoenix in both modes. Need those mini figures though 😁
Get the ko when it comes out.
@@sw1000xg thinking the same thing. It's a good looking figure, the KO is a good call out.
Get the Half the battle nanobotz instead.
Can’t go wrong with Pheonix
@@paperdragon8541 these mini figures that come with mp57 are more accurate to g1
This looks so good. I like like the alt mode much more than FT but dig things about both bot modes.
He’s an absolute beast of a size!
Keep both dude and play around with the Macross stuff
An MPed Siege JF sounds tasty! 👏🏾👏🏾
It does!
Good review. But I'd keep the fanstoys, just my opinion
Why is that?
@@Benscollectables for me it's that the robot mode looks a little derpy, almost depressed, and mainly due to the head sculpt and the major slopey shoulders look. The only thing I like more about the TT is that the knee engineering is waaay better and proportionate than Phoenix, who suffers from "mid-thigh knee joint" syndrome, which looks bizarre if you bend his legs too much for action poses. Its the one big letdown with that fig. The legs on the TT at least bend where knees usually bend. If TT had a cooler head and face sculpt, maybe slightly less slopey-sad shoulders it would be top.
@@davidcauley9400the way you described the figure is Skyfire from g1
@@hardsellcomixreviews7514 proportions count. The slopes are too slopey, and the face looks like HP Lovecraft. I don't care about toon accuracy, i care it looks cool. And you mean Jetfire ;)
@@davidcauley9400 he doesn’t look like a macross Valkyrie, so I mean Skyfire. I personally care about tune accuracy because that is what I grew up watching so seeing Skyfire and other autobots who aren’t heroic looking changed to look super heroic defeats the g1 aesthetic for me
Keep them both! 😀
Jacked fire is definitely out of place these days .. he served his purpose though .
This went from a must have to a wait for the KO...
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My thoughts exactly lmao!
Great shot @26 minutes in with Phoenix in the background eyeing him!! 😂
lol hes checking out his trunk
great video ben!
I know it's apples and oranges, but this TNT-01 jetfire I got for $15 is f'n fantastic!
You get what the collection needs bud, if thats the style you like then yeah for $15 you are fricken sorted with a solid figure
I've been noticing something on my two copies of this along with all the reviews I've seen so far and that's with the feet. Even this review seems to have the issue with the left foot at 11:29. On mine, either the left or right foot has a heel that will not open flat by 2 to 3 millimeters. It's not a big deal now but what is causing the problem is that the flat edge on the inside of the heel is hitting the ankle rocker joint along the circular bottom part where the metal pin is inserted. I don't know if that circular plastic piece is a little thick or just not pushed in far enough when the pin is inserted. This isn't an issue in alt mode since the heel is folded into the front of the foot. I'm wondering if the weight of the figure could cause the bottom of the ankle rocker joint or inner part of the heel to crack over time. I thought about shaving down the inside of the heel a tad until it can lay flat.
Interesting. Good to know, thanks for the information.
My biggest issue with Phoenix is the knee joint placement, it looks silly the more you bend the legs. But the MP has a goofy face and a bit smaller, and expensive.
I only prefer the FT special edition Phoenix when compared to the Takara version. Sadly, it’s hard to find.
Anyone going to talk about how at 15:48 jetfire was doing the 👌
shhhhh
I wish people would stop comparing Phoenix to this guy. You are comparing a figure that came out 8 years ago to a new figure. Phoenix was designed before the dark times. Before the Tooning.
I'm keeping one for bot mode and one for alt mode.
The animation doesn't make characters look the same in every shot. I could see Optimus look like all his toys in different shows. Starscream the same. Sometimes SkyFire looked kind of cheesily drawn like the MP figure and sometimes he looks more stoic like the FT version. I feel like different interpretations are just fine. I am having to cut back on how many I buy, though. So, KO and FT are pretty much all I buy now.
Pheonix's robot mode design looks goofy to me. It looks like a mp version of a chug design.
This is an 8 and Phoenix is a 9. I like how the Takara does the chest, but the face kills it for me - it lacks definition and looks like he got stung by cyber bees. The thighs also look a bit thin to me.
Fanstoys for the title. KO OS siege for the toon.
I've paid for the oversized wfc one. He will sdo for me I hope
Not sure where the obsession with the toon accuracy comes from. 2d low resolution line drawings IMO aren't a good design to build a 3d model from. The reason I liked the MP originally was they were like the original characters were real, detailed like a real robot, but looking like the original character. I'm not a fan of completely flat featureless panels because a low budget cartoon didn't draw any detail.
Idk bout you but the older ones actually look cheaper in comparison. The new ones feel and look so good
agreed. I want to look at them and think they are almost real, rather than 3d Cartoons.
For me, I tried the realistic look and the figures just felt off. I think the tool figures just give me more nostalgia just bc I grew up on the original show
@@relykstudios tool figures?
@@cglogan1061 toon*
WHY WILL NO ONE GIVE HIM HIS EARS!!!!! Mine as a kid were broken, so having them unbroken on mine is very important to me, and no one has put out a decent one with the horns atall. SUCKS.. Or am I wrong, and Phoenix has them? If he does, i'll reword my saying to add "that doesn't require a 2nd mortgage" on it. lol
Licensing , the original toy shared the design with robotech / macros … been loads of battling in court to get the figure where it is today … that’s why it took so long to get a figure that even looks remotely like the original and why the g1 toy looked so different to the animation
makes no sense how is this figure so much cheaper that prime! confused dog face! bwahahah to be fair I think the fall of cybertron looks way better especially after a repaint!
Hey Ben, which one did you end up keeping?
Kept the fanstoys
@@Benscollectables because of you I have more reassurance I made the right decision too lol. I'm curious to know your reasons :)
@@jetomanic just felt more playable and although not as accurate was just a more fun figure and looked more imposing
Cartoon accurate to a fault, I prefer the more anime robot/muscular proportions of Phoenix in bot mode
I like the proportions of Phoenix a lot better.
Phoenix is King.
Man, that transformation looked painful. This looks like it's going to break and the edits didn't fill me with confidence.
no its solid, edits were only put in as i took forever filming as i tried different things to make it easier.. i usually shoot in one go and chop it up
@@Benscollectables Ok. Good to know. I have Phoenix and am very happy with it. I don't mind double dipping and getting an official one too. But if it's a nightmare like that new 3rd party Ultra Magnus figure, I'll just pass.
Idk..prefer the asthetics of the official release..
Disappointing from Takara imho, no waist swivel. I will wait the next version , transformation doesn't look fun either.
I wish I could afford this lol
This guy seems pretty cheap for a figure his size. I think like $200 range?
Interesting transformation. Don't think it will hold up over time though?Some of the parts look cheap and like they'll break easily. Fans Toys is an easy win for me and I'm a massive skyfire fan. Not a fan of his piefire bot mode. The original g1 animation for skyfire was pretty bad so replicating it in 2023 doesn't look good in my book. This is an easy pass. I guess if I liked the toon accuracy, I would probably get this...the ko, not the official
There are way too many Compromises with this figure...Gappy and Belly Floppish Alt mode, too sloped shoulders, hip rachets from titan class, and lastly lack of Premiumness. I'm will wait for a KO with Diecast feet and thighs, better Sping rachets in hips and comes with 8 mini figures for $180.
First, LOL! I feel so childish
But I'm so excited, as the minute I opened my parcel to find my very own Skyfire, I saw Ben's review - literally posted the same minute
I'm going to love opening mine as I watch your review sir
(EDIT: Also, do people who post comments first get a prize? Like a cookie or 2 points or something?)
Almost
lol you win some internet points Nico
not the best figure, so definately np keeping this one misb to compliment my mib vintage g1, and just leave phoenix on the shelf.
Fans toys wins on both modes there should be no argument about it and cartoon accurate doesn’t mean is better.
Way to toon accurate I have the fans toys version
man i don't wanna sound like a hater because there are things I like about mp-57 but it just.... it looks so bad like my god the mold is so horrible
For me, it's not that it's "too toon", it's that they seemed to have picked the absolute worst animation cell of Him possible. His proportions are so weird, his face looks like melted ice cream, and his inflated chest covers his face from a lot of angles. Phoenix may not be as close to the cartoon, but it's closer to how I think of Skyfire and looks %1000 more premium and cooler. Cheers if you like the Takara, but it's an easy pass for me.
i'd say more than 50% of the cartoon had wonky animation cells. For the toon lovers, part of the appeal (for me at least) is embracing the dedication to capturing the oddities while still making a robot that can turn into a nice looking alternate mode. But that's why it's nice to have so many options for one character
Both FT Phoenix and Siege Jetfire look way better than this guy, it's not even close. This thing is as bad as the "toon" MP Bumblebee... bot modes looking like elementary school drawings. I usually don't trash figures, but wow... there's no justification for how goofy this thing looks. lol
Goofy looking like the toon?
@@anthonyortiz4254 LOL he's talking out his ass because he can't afford the MP knowing damn well it is the best Skyfire that we have gotten.
This is like an elementary school comment
i think to my eye, the more they chase this toon accuracy, the uglier these figures look. the siege version would be great if it had proper MP style hands and wasnt so hallow and gappy like everything hasbro makes. Phoenix is perfect tho