I was BLOWN AWAY by this innovation in REAL Hardwood Floors!
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"If you're watching overseas somewhere, don't bother. He's got patents!"
*Laughs in Chinese*
Exactly! *Challenge Accepted!
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Noah Hastings yea Chinese can care less. Part of the problem with patents is the product design is plainly shown.
You’re right. It wouldn’t be protected unless they get patented IN China as well.
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I am a carpenter and have laid numerous hardwood floors. Many oak floor boards are bowed, warped and cupped. Without nailing them to some sort of sub structure you will never get all of the boards to "pull up". Even if you kiln dry the boards, which would greatly increase the cost, they are still prone to distortion over time.
Yeah I came to the commits to look for this very topic. In an older wood framed building that moves a lot, what's' to keep any boards that warp some from popping up or letting go of other boards?
My thought was about those plastic runners he is using to anchor the boards together. Plastic = petrol product = brittle over time. I wonder what the effect is in 10 years.
@@erich6860 looks like wire mold track, but even if it did go brittle. Nail them down like a normal board.
@@vicgarrison8968 nailing the track down is one thing, it is the plastic "S" shape that you cannot do anything about.
@@erich6860 nail the boards down. like a normal floor board..
7:57 He was going to say stash your weed I swear :D
Lol
$24 psf... ouch. I was hoping you could just buy the plastic connectors / router knives and mill my own wood to whatever type I want and size I want. Maybe someday but, this cost is insane!
That's insane. Mid grade oak/cherry/teak is $5-10/sf + $3-5/sf for installation. $24/sf is quite a premium.
Wow thats prohibitive
Yeah the price on some of these are just insane. Just like windows, you have to get a second mortgage to replace them.
To start the minimum is 2000 sqft. That's like a third of what my house cost me to buy. Cool system, but definitely not worth the cost.
Yeah this is cool but there is NO WAY IN HELL it's worth a 6 fold premium over unfinished oak..... i could hire the floor installed twice for the difference vs doing it myself. If someone else does it i don't care how easy the install is. Also it's worth noting the MAX is 2,000 sq ft not minimum.
I just laid my sons flooring , the laminate click stuff, I hated it , the edges break if not careful, I had a few sheets/planks that already had water damage . First time in 20yrs I can honestly say it was a nightmare to lay, I will never lay one of those floors again, I'd rather put vinyl flooring down instead. This looks great though , I'd give this a go , plus real floor to boot !
Depending on the price I don't see much benefit over high end snap together engineered flooring which can also be refinished.
ATTENTION!!!! Wow love it!! Great poduct!! I'm a plumber I don't know how many floors I've had to rip up to get to old plumbing that burst under a slab foundation. Let me tell you the engineered flooring does not go back together well. This would be a great product even for laminate.
Wow. The possibilities for places to hide my weed are endless.
Sincerely,
Your Kids
where there's a will there's a way.
Nah...I'm Canadian. I hide my weed in plain sight. ;)
Floor furnace removed Way long ago. That 'patch' of different wood has always given me the thought, but too obvious.
Install new floor cause you WANT stash place. A patch is 'just' that - no furnace, right? =]
Yeah well your kids would have to get off their arse and figure out how this works and since they're too stoned to do so I'm not worried.
Ah I heard about this one hippy getting raided by the feds, they got the few plants in his house but missed all the ones in his back yard staked down flat with the ground.
He was sweating bullets. XD
Thanks Matt for bringing this rad new product to our attention! Buy the little guy!
Hoping to put some patented family ideas on the market soon too! Great product idea and wishing that little company all the best!
We have a 'floating' wooden floor at our home. I live in Slovakia and this is completely normal. the parts are shaped that they fit into each other, so plastic is not even used as it is in this demonstration.
As others have said, they need to license this to existing manufacturers and collect royalties.
Existing manufacturers understand the liability that comes with this floor.
Well good that you in the US are trying to keep up. We had this in Sweden för 20+ years. Good job!
I was going to say the same about all the floors I've ever seen in Norway. :D
UK too...
Must be a dumb idea, like IKEA furniture.
It existed here in the US more than 20 years ago too, it just failed because wood and plastic expand at different rates and they will come apart over time with weight shifts and foot traffic causing wear.
@Will Roberts lol Norwegians have been brewing beer for over a thousand years. Craft brewing seemed to fall out of popularity sometime around 200 years ago, but was very common before that. (Where pretty much every farmhouse had its own brewery.) It's recently regaining popularity in the cities, but I'm sure out in the countryside people have been quietly brewing their own beer for centuries.
Brilliant idea....also light enough for little houses. The snap in ...snap out concept opens so many possibilities. I only wonder about durability of tracks....not the wood.
I am blown away as well (At the cost) outrageous
It's 3x more expensive then traditional hard wood!!!
This is really great. I bought one from alibaba and was imported from China last week. I'd like to say something though that you can't run on these floors because they move particularly if you run across the grain / panel. And because my floor underneath is not that level, some of the panels squeak. You have to have a level floor to be able to install this without problems.
Hey Matt, Currently renovating my master bedroom and home office. Thanks to you i haven't felt lost during this whole entire project. I am confident i am choosing the best materials and installing them with the best know how. Thanks again! I am actually looking at hardwood floors right now so this video comes just in time :)
I'm lucky that I'm still alive. I went to their web site and saw the prices. Damn near had a heart attack!
JD Fisher hahaha
He ain’t kidding. It’s beyond ridiculous.
Pricing is absurd. Way out of price range of the average homeowner. Imagine spending $40,000 to put down hardwood floors in your 1800 sq ft home.
I just went to the web page as well. Pricing way to rich for my blood as well. Too bad, neat product. Price wise they would need to be able to compete with vinyl plank flooring to become competitive. Just my opinion. And yes, just like certain body parts, everyone has one. lol
Bob P. Yeah, even for a general contractor the cost savings aren’t offset by the speed of installation compared to overall costs
Excellent innovation but couple of things:
1) If you've got a plank that is warping and it is not attached to the floor - it will simply lift the entire section or make if play under your feet.
2) nothing stops these planks from traveling lengthwise creating weird gaps in your floor as you walk on it + eventually absorbing water.
3) underfloor heating may soften or damage that plastic profile.
And speaking about patents:
The strength of your patents is only as strong as the cost for the lawyers you can afford. As you are not going under the protection of your local "floor-making oligarch" - you have no chance protecting it against one either domestically or internationally.
Secondly - you can't protect against companies that are making the tools for making these boards and other companies selling the plastic profile (for say decorative purposes) so small manufacturers/individuals are going to produce it for personal use rendering your protection useless.
So you've produced something that you are trying to sell for 4 times the price of the normal hardwood floor. It is less protected, will play under your feet, and you are limited in your personal manufacturing capabilities/growth so you'll never have the money necessary to protect your patents. Sorry for raining on your parade mate.
You can’t copy the vinyl profile just cause you say it’s for decorative purposes. you know absolutely nothing about pattens. Yes it is extremely expensive to enforce a patent because the government doesn’t do it for you. not every patent is ripe for infringement. Yes the more successful the product is the more likely the patent will be infringed however the more successful it is the more money they will have to pay for the lawyers to go after the infringers
As for your comment number two if that actually turns out to be a problem which it may very well not all you’d have to do is stick the suction cup to any board that moved and tap it sideways with that mallet to put it right back and I really don’t think this is going to be a problem that’s going to happen over short periods of time if at all so like lots of things that require the screws be tightened every few years a few minutes of maintenance as described above every few years might be a small price to pay considering the advantages
Mind blown-I’ll never be the same!!! Such a genius invention!!!!
Years ago we used to install a product called “junkers” pronounced yawnkers. It was a Swedish company (I think) not an exact clip system, but very similar. I had nothing but problems with it cupping on every install. I hope yours works out. We would love to install something that’s going to save us time and money.
Did you miss the part about the price? This is about solving a pretty much non existent problem by moving SOME OF the labor cost to an offsite factory at a significant markup. Great for builders who will push it on less informed customers. It lets them use unskilled applicators while marking up material cost. All so they can avoid warranty issues (assuming all goes well)?
I replied about the same system, and yes solid wood, unrestrained will in fact cup........ wow who could have ever guessed
@@jeremiahlebeau7074 Especially 3.25 and wider.
Junkers is pure shit. The metal clips cost a fortune and you are correct Cupping is a big issue
I'm foreseeing gaps around door jams, from monkey's thinking it's easy and not under cutting jams. Probably going to see allot of caulking!🤣
Field testing will say it all,but right now....WOW! Very brilliant 👍,I too love the fact of REAL wood.......that's for vidio and thanx for this seemingly,for now,great new product
Although I think this isn't necessarily a bad idea, I can't see it being the next best thing since flush toilets. I always install my flooring systems "wall-2-wall"; under base cabinets in kitchens and bathrooms. So that alone would require removing all or most of them before you could just pull up the floor to dry it out or refinish it. And I already know "any" cabinet system would have to be removed to refinish any floor, and that's in part the exact point I'm making; this flooring system is no different than any other in this regard.
The only thing that differentiates this flooring system to me is being able to "suction cup" out pieces and replace them. But how often do you need to replace a single board? In my experience, it's usually the entire floor that would need to come out and be refinished; a single brand new board would stick out like a sore thumb in a 5 or even 2 year old floor. So is this actually a benefit? I'm not sure.
edit: Above all else it seems like it would save labor during the installation process, along with not needing a ton of knowledge to install it. This screams for the DIY market. So in this regard I could see it being offered in big box stores (orange and blue flavors particularly).
Looks amazing. Great idea. My only concern is that it is slightly suspended between plastic clips. So I worry that the slight suspension could cause each board to crack from excessive weight placed on board between clips. Kinda the same principle that you see in karate gimmic where they break boards in half because the grain is in direction of how it’s hit. So if I put my 250 body on one of the boards, on only one of my heals, could it crack board? Maybe al it would then need is a thin strip placed under each board to help support it.
Love the concept! Great job!
$24 per square foot for red oak or hard maple. At that cost, you could literally put in a nice engineered hardwood floor. Wait ten years rip it out, wait another ten years rip that floor out and install the third floor! (based on $6sf for red oak engineered and $4 sf installation then banking the extra $14sf).
The price point puts off exactly the customers who are going to want to buy this: the DIY homeowner. If you have $24/ft kind of money to dump into your remodel, you aren't buying a (albeit much improved) click-lock flooring.
Yeah that’s beyond stupid. Only person this benefits is the installer if the material was owner provided.
Realistically I could see $11-$13 a square foot. After all, you are talking a wide plank oak or maple. But you are right, this would be a killer homeowner product but I can't see a homeowner dropping more than $10 over sf on a DIY project.
Ever walk on that clickity-clack engineered floor? Sure it’s durable, but noisy as heck and fakey looking. When Matt said Nobody likes a”look-alike” floor, he was talking about me!
DanielinLaTuna, I'm sorry but engineered floors nowadays don't make noise. The exception is that some people choose cheap $2 a sf garbage LAMINATE from Home Depot and then decide that they do not need to add proper underlayment or simply use the cheap foam underlayment. Secondly we are talking about engineered hardwood, not laminate. Engineered hardwood are typicly 12mm or thicker wheras the cheap HD laminate is under 1/8" thick.
When I work in the UK I was installed engineered hardwood floors, the top 3/8 was hardwood, the rest was plywood, it clipped together with metal clips and floated like laminate. The top could be sand and you could lift up the floor and reinstall it later to.
Could you lift up a single plank in the middle of the room? What was the name of the product / company?
That side locking system is good enough to keep the ends together? I guess it would be easy to push back together, but that could get annoying. And, what's the squeak like between the end joints? Yea, it's a cool idea, but those are questions you sould have answers for.
thanks ! Been doing hardwood over concrete and sure would have been nice to have this. We bought a few thousand square feet of 3/4" oak used and relatively cheap that was torn out of a whole house and still had all the nails in the wood and torn tongues and grooves much of it but managed to pick out enough to just hammer it together and using masking tape to hold it until the 12 X 20 room was done (ran them longways in this case... less ends to measure and cut). We left a 1/4 " margin around the perimeter of the room for expansion and put a thin foam layer under it directly on the concrete. Of course some of the boards were warped so we used those to cut up for the short pieces. With what is left (all the boards with tongues and back side of grooves ruined) we did an upstairs room where we could face nail the whole thing down and that worked fine too. Just used 18 guage pin nails and since the floor was grossly uneven in spots (very old home that had been moved once as well and somehow had a 2 inch deflection in the middle of the floor near the fireplace... probably why it happened as the fireplace or one of the support members near to it was likely supported unevenly somehow in moving) we placed joints where the deflections occurred to keep the floor ends matching (also tongue and groove and just tried to use boards in those areas with t & g intact). The most time consuming part by far fyi, was grinding off all the nails and separating out boards that were not warped and that had ends with t & g intact and just separated to either a L. or a R. end usable stack and of varying lengths in order so when it came time to lay the flooring, it was easy to find the length needed or end piece needed thus minimizing the waste. Something I just thought of now would be to just stick down velcro to the floor and the boards and it would need no special milling at all, though of course the joints would not be as tight... who cares. just buy the boards wholesale, cut them any length or width and all square cuts and your done.
The hardwood floor in my house is nailed down ... it hasn't moved for 150 years. People knew who to work back then, it's as simple as that
Mine is 51 years old and hasn't moved.
Yeah, neither of you have the least clue what you're talking about.
Wood is always moving. Your furniture, the studs in your house, your doors, your hardwood floor, all of it.
People a hundred or two hundred years ago didn't know anything more than does the construction industy today. The difference you're seeing is houses still left from 100+ years ago were either some of the best-built examples, or are in horrible shape today. Most of the "mass build" stuff from back then is either already gone or in the process of going.
Back then, products were expensive and labor was cheap. It's the opposite today.
Very few people today, just like then, are willing to pay for superior quality. They want cheap crap; thus the Lumber Liquidators, box store defects, corner-cutting builders producing stuff that smells of new paint when it's bought, and problems start showing up three years later.
If you're willing to spend 15-25% more than for the cheap crap, you can have great houses.
Btw, this isn't going to sell because the price point far outweighs the minor problems of nail-down.
Keith Graham i
@@keithgraham9547 Unless you,, ie. the contracting owner takes pride in ownership of an excellent, intelligently engineered beautiful and strong floor AND it's for your forever home, likely to be handed down to your children (provided in your will that it can't be sold by them unless under financial duress for "X" number years, etc.). Hell, it wouldn't take me a split second to decide to opt for this floor if what's in presentation is true. I've seen waaay too much crap floors in new bulids up to 20 or more years old. Lesson I learned very early in life that applies to everything is you get what you pay for.
Keith Graham oh brother
Damn it! Damn it!... I have been working on this for the last two years. My fasteners are slightly different, but with the same end result. I need to pull his patents to see if I am out of the game. Damn! Bravo to him for getting exposure. Admittedly he does have a great product. I fear the custom ordering requirement will mean only those with a larger budget will be able to afford it.
The industry has needed this for a long time. . I started after having hardwood issues in every room of my house. I have a total of 5000sqft +/- a 100. Guys pressure washing the front stoop arrived a day early so I had no towel down. Piano tuner rolled the piano across a 20ft length. The refrigerator was pulled across the floor. Water in the laundry room.. Etc, etc... Each repair meant the entire room had to be pulled.
Yes this solves so many issues
I’ve laid enough wooden floors and I can tell you they aren’t straight, because wood does not just swell and shrink but also warps. Quality of the wood is more important.
Great product idea. Not the first clip type solid wood floating flooring idea but certainly better than the one I installed from Floor and Decor years ago with metal clips. Those were noisy and install saved ZERO time. I hope these prove to be better with noise, install, and cost.
It’s a great idea for residential. I’d be curious how it can hold up in a commercial setting where they normally go with a glue down instal.
That flooring product is amazing. Sure be great for kitchens and basements. Love that you can easily take the floor apart!!
You'd have to plane more than one to keep them level. The tracks would be in the way of any sizable safe.
Would be interested to know if you could get the cutter and tracks to make your own flooring out of reclaimed pallet wood.
Deep down I have a part of me that doesn't like change and will always want to use the methods that I already know, but innovations like this are so hard to overlook. This video certainly got my brain thinking about how a product like this could be so useful!
Interesting product. Am I missing something or do the ends of the boards just butt up to each other without clicking together? It looked ok in that small sample but what would happen in a big floor where there's multiple boards in the same row? I'm sure they'd start pulling away from each other at the end to end joints
agreed, should have all sides click
If you notice, one of his boards separated when he was snapping it together. If this had been an honest review they would have discussed the problem.
Yeah but it wasn't a review, it was a booth overview (with a pathetic click-bait headline and picture).
@@markdoldon8852 If you noticed that was for demonstration purposes. Pay attention idiot
I have to say that I was really impressed that he said that he was going to wait to push out hard literature. A lot of places would do the two hour test that he did and call that good enough.
You’ve got to cut the pieces near the wall and around doorways. That’s more than a two hour job.
Yup under cut door jams, then cut to fit, And ripping board length in hallways.
True, but you'd need to do that with any flooring. Still, if you could do a small room in 20 minutes like he said then that still gets you to the wall and doorway cuts quickly and you're done before lunch! If you use something like a QuickGauge Master Outline Gauge for your cut measurements then you're done even earlier.
Right ON. I started thinking inside Boat Decking & Storage /Hatches, and like the contractor said ? HIDE U'r stuff. Congrats my man CONGRATS.
A German company tried that exact system 20 years ago, and it failed miserably. The plastic and hardwood had different expansion/contraction rates, and it kept separating itself when foot traffic or weight loads moved around.
Exactly my worry.
Happen to know what it was called? Would be interested in reading about it.
Trying to remember the name of the company. They also made a pergo style 7mm. I used it in a couple rooms about 13 years ago. Bought it from Cummins Tools, they always had the oddest shit sitting on palettes for cheap.
It wasn’t the exact same system. Plastics have evolved.
The way these boards are sealed on all sides, it looks like they may be counting on the seal to prevent any swelling from moisture.
Beautiful, good job , it works and it has future . Welldone . Good job .
Still has that hollow sound when walking on it just like a floating floor. Just give me #1 red oak 3/4" standard flooring and a nailer.
Awsome invention! He should make millions!
I think ol' Clayton was really thinking about a different kind of stash.
Hope they will release a kit with the rails and router bits for cutting the grooves, for those who wish to make their own. Think of the possibilities: local species, any width, reclaimed wood, much more.
You can do the same with traditional application. The advantages (such as they are) will dissapear for anyone not set up for mass production, so the company wont be able to charge enough for the 'kit' to merit their investment. Maybe as a way to try to retrieve something once they realize that selling the ultra expensive full system just isnt working?
Its the sound that I usually dont like in floating floors... no matter what its on.
Good luck with your transitions and wall cuts
From a business perspective, he would be a lot better off if he licensed the tech to other floor manufacturers and took a royalty, rather than try and mill his own floors and compete with them. Think VHS vs. Betamax. Beta was better tech, but VHS was more widely available.
I agree, I would buy this today if it was available at my local store.
Once they're certain it is reliable and they won't be sued by those companies over their licenses sure... but until then go back to business school.
This^^^^^ (What David M said). As a former trade officer for the Australia Trade Commission, I can tell you that founders/developers don't understand: It is much better to have 5% of a $100,000,000 ($5 million) than to have 100% of a $5,000,000 company. The existing companies have the distribution streams, the marketing savvy, the muscle. The 100% model would take years to get to. His path to profit is faster with the 5% route. Developers/founders are not good marketers. They are great at developing. Alas, too many allow their ego and their pride at achieving an excellent product get in the way of their moving on to the next wonderful thing their mind can dream of. Love, love, love this idea. Wishing him and his family so much luck and success.
They can still license it to other manufactures. It could be part of their master plan.... Lets not knock their business until they actually have a business.... :)
@@faudi23 Agree, it's smart business to just license a solution like this. He could make all the money and not have to deal with the issues of running a company.
The fact that this is patented means that we are not seeing this type of system being installed in the next 15 years on a significant margin. All other manufacturers are like "Know what, we don't care, the traditiobal systems are being accepted and neither we nor the custoners are willing to pay any additional patent licensing fees." Effectively, this slowed down the application of smart hard wood floor systems.
Bogus claims. 40 sq ft in x minutes? Any competant flooring guy can do the same WITH PRECUT, PREFINISHED PIECES. Its not the nailing that takes the time, it is handling layout, cutting, finishing etc. The product may have value (i wonder about sound issues without any connection to the subfloor) but speed of installation is simply untrue.
The product (idea) has a lot of value, but you're right, nailing isn't the time waster. I wonder how hard it would be to make your own plastic groove links, it wouldn't take anything to mill some cuts into the wood. Appreciate your comment.
edit: saw another comment down below, why not just cut out the plastic and make it so the wood fits together already? I think this is some good stuff though, water damage is a lame piece of owning wood.
I agree about lack of increase in speed due to nails (kind of)
But, I mean.. you can't really deny that this is faster, easier, more efficient. You're talking no guns except in transition doorways, only a small trim air compressor for that, no fabricating the tongue or groove to get it to fit, slide, or otherwise, no spline, no glue, I mean shit man. That could easily double production speed if not triple or beyond.
I own a wood floor company. The question I have is the last board against the wall--without that plastic piece underneath... when it gets ripped down...I guess you'd shim that back edge? And same for picture frames around fire places or just patterned boardered floors? Bullnoses too? If there were pieces accommodating for those thicknesses, that would be cool.
We call these floating floors here in the UK. We lay them on 6mm neoprene which reduces noise.
Junkers flooring used to do similar clips system for years.
I laid 18mm (3/4”) solid oak tongue and groove and it is glued down. We have had no issues with it. Although had this been available I would have considered it. It is a step forward from laminated click and lock shit.
Hardwood Rug!
Too late I have the patent. Just gotta keep it from falling apart
Guys Impressed With Their Wood.
i work in houses with hard wood flooring installed way back in the late 1800s and the only thing that needs to be done is some sanding and poly,done.
these days we keep coming up with shit like this that ends up costing 3 to 5 times more than the old way install, stop doing things wrong and we wont have to use contraptions like this or what you might call inovation. its a fricken wood floor not a space shuttle.
Big facts
I wonder how does this respond to sound, meaning, vibrations and so on. So far when he popped the planks off the floor, it sounded little noisy. I don't want to find out that you need to place some sound dampening fabric before you lay this down. There goes the leak and now the fabric is wet. Plus @ $24/sqft that's insane.
I see problems unless the substrate is near perfectly level.
Ve9a Centauri You’re substrate should be nearly perfectly level regardless. But, in remodels, etc, that’s just not possible many times. I can see this product being working fantastic in new construction and additions.
Name the problems you see......
Many flooring types are floating without any issues
And as a flooring installer myself, I see that maybe 1 in 25 jobs!
@@joemaiuro3647 the difference here is that there is a track. that track will suspend the planks over dips in the floor. Typical floating floors do not have tracks.
But the substrate should be near perfectly level for installing hardwood floors.
In reading some of the comments from people who installed floors for many years, they said that a solid wood floor unrestrained will warp. Also without track to hold the ends the wood will cup and could slide apart get gaps between bards. It may be that because of the finish he puts all the way around the wood, it could prevent a lot of the warping but that finish is only going to last so long. It'll certainly wear off on the top surface and over time anywhere that it is rubbing as the wood expands and contracts.
I think the same concept with a plywood or high-quality composite floor would better. The top layer of the plywood could be a quarter inch or even thicker, solid wood so it could still be sanded. But it would probably eliminate the chances of warping.
I love the idea of being able to pop out damaged pieces and replace it, and being able to hide things under your floor. If someone could attach the truck to their walls they could hide stuff in their walls too.
Anyway, awesome idea I wish the inventor great success.
PS. If the tracks were black and if a gap ever did develop it would be harder to see the tracks. It also may be a good idea to put holes in the tracks. So that if water ever got down there it wouldn't sit in the tracks
"Pick this up and send it out for refinishing "
No miss, no fuss, huh?
Just make sure you have all the pieces in the right place
Wow ! Great idea ! Can’t wait to ordered !
"No one likes a wood look-a-like floor, trust me". That's easy to say coming from the guy who builds $1m + custom homes and has clients willing to spend $40k+ on natural hardwood floors...
And as for "if you're overseas you can't do this." LOL China.
Love this, wife is always worried about damage especially by water. easy to pull, dry, and replace.
How is wear ability? Forget pets... forget (typical) kids... We have in-home daycare! :) 5-6 kids coming in every day, add in play visits with other day cares... how will the floor _finish_ hold up?? And we do not really want to refinish every 2 years. :)
What about end grain connection? What will prevent bowing and cupping of the boards?
If it's fully sealed on all sides then it should remain pretty stable.
It wasn't clear if the end grain is sealed or not. Clayton mentioned it was sealed on all 4 sides, but there are 6 sides. Very cool idea.
You're right! The company should send the coating to seal the end grains that are cut to fit on the ends and the side that is ripped for the wall areas.
Also, what is holding the end grain tight together? What would prevent shrinkage or movement in the end grain direction from creating gaps at these points?
He's probably cutting it to fit the specs given to him... all precut and presealed... just install as is...
I like this concept. What I hadn't liked about other flooring options, for rental properties has been potential tenant abuse such as water spills in a kitchen that could leak at the seams, damaging the floor underneath. I really like this product where you could easily pull up the boards without damage, to dry the sub floor then reapply it easily. Very nice.
You are assuming the tenant is going to call you up and confess that they spilled water which is unlikely because I doubt that you’re going to send somebody out to fix this without charging
They have that in Japan long time ago.
This guy is gonna make so much money. Innovation is the golden key to success.
LOL no. marketing is the golden key to success.
I don't think I'd describe having your flooring sent out for refinishing as "wild" lol
I have to wonder if the end joints will stay tight. Can the board slide latterly?
you wouldn’t want to plane a single damaged piece. you’d create a lip. 🤦🏼♂️
I think the idea is to plane the entire floor once it is too worn. For a single piece it would be cheaper to get a new plank.
You could also plane it and epoxy the top back to full height.
He's NOT an installer!!! He doesn't know shit about it ! This video is why there will allways be work for me, because people try and fail to do it themselves and realize that there is so much more to ALL aspects of this kind of job, like wall cuts with expansion joints, inside corners, outside corners, and the hardest,! Transitioning to existing flooring ! Good luck to ya and will wait for that phone call to come fix it!!!
Pete Sahli -- I don’t know if you’re right but I like your attitude
He said plane off 1/32 . The dip would be minimal . Maybe a couple coats of clear would make up the difference.
What a fantastic and logical idea. We are just about to order our floor so can't wait for this to come out. I wonder though how it works over battens as our wooden floor will be raised over pipes and things. Very nice idea !
Great idea when I sell my home I can take my floor with me
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Yeah. Just show your home with the flooring down, then once it closes, pack up your floor and take it with you. Buyer will wonder what happened but you can just tell them floors weren’t part of the contract. I’m sure they will be really happy.
I would b that guy taking the floor with me onto the next house after the first is sold. Haha
Price is definitely over-the-top. Even in Southern California hardwood is about $15 a square foot installed. V- groove floors collect dirt. I also wonder how brittle the plastic that holds them together will be In 15years. As for removing and finishing that is not really less hassle and I am pretty confident that running and aluminum oxide finish through your thickness planer is going to roast the blades
The ability to pull up and remove an isolated piece (board) would permit access to a hidden storage/safe location or compartment, that would escape detection.
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Looks great. The biggest problem is the ends have to be cut. Therefor moisture especially around walls. And where do most spills that aren't cleaned up happen? Around the wall area. And no finish is impermeable. But I do like the product. It looks great and would make my job a heck of a lot easier. Good luck with this product.
How noisy is having the tiles slightly off the subfloor?
Even the best milling will leave boards slightly different. Even if you take the time to make sure the substrate is *perfectly* smooth, you will still need to sand the installed floor in position. And if you pull one board out to plane out a defect, and put it back, you'll have a real toe catcher. This is an improvement to engineered wood floaters, but a real high end hardwood floor is going to need to be fastened.
This a really nice concept. But only a nice concept. I've been in hardwood flooring for twenty years and with every new idea or product there seems to be long term concerns. Prefinished hardwood is a great example. Yes it's down and done but the problem I have seen many times over is the the short edges have ups and downs especially on longer lengths. Another concern I have is that I did not see relief cuts on the underside. That will cause problems for wider boards in humid climates. And can the floor be sanded in place?
As a flooring professional I have a few ideas for the product creater.
1. Use an engineered three ply construction for better stability in all climates.
2. Use a four sided micro bevel to ease any overwood.
3. Take the product to the national wood flooring association and have them critique the design.
All in all I see this as a great product but it has to be excepted by the pros to make it.
Stop giving them your ideas dummy they will profit and not give you any credit not a bad idea your ideas that is .
The fact that you can remove a board without taking up the floor has me sold
You say boards are sealed top bottom how about ends, when you cut to length on job.
The person putting in the floor should have a jar of sealant to apply to the fresh cut.
@@callak_9974 you weren't listening you have to pre-order the floor by size and dimension in shape when your floor is ready they will call you it's made to fit sealed ends and all
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Wow this is expensive! $15\ sq ft average. Great idea, but way out of the price range for most homeowners.
Thanks for posting, I didn't feel like looking for a quote. Hmm....150 sqft room about $2250 in just material.....pass.
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Don’t feel like paying an average of $15 per square foot.
Imagine doing one whole level of your house? Or two levels?
That’s enough for money for like... 5 decent north west prostitutes and a McDonalds happy meal 😂 lol just kidding. Probably only 3 of em and a meal at PF Chang’s 🤣
Gotta pay for that extra material, tbh it looks meh!, but hey, the 1% always need new things too buy right? Lol
One 12 sq ft cost $800 ship from PA to MI !!!
sounds good. i hope everything goes well so that it will become more common place and cheaper.
This whole video was "wild"
This is something that you'd see on Shark Tank or Dragon's Den
Congratulations, you discovered something Jünkers has been doing for forever.
"You can pull up the floor and send it off for refinishing" ???? The whole floor ???? That would cost a fortune
It already cost a fortune! Great concept but price is ridiculous. Labor doesn't cost that much! I'm in the business...
Ends aren't fastened together; there will be movement. If you remove one board and plane it, there will be a height difference. You'd be better off sanding it with a random orbit sander. Without nailing to a sub floor you don't get the added structural stability of an additional 3/4" of solid hardwood nailed to the sub floor. So they'll stand behind their product below grade? I can install a nail down solid wood floor in a 10x12 bedroom with a closet in under three hours like most professionals worth their salt. Keep in mind if you pull this floor up it has to be put back exactly as it was taken up; end boards are cut to fit by row and your home isn't a demo floor with no walls, angles or cuts. Individual boards in a traditional wood floor are easy to remove and replace also. Sanding and refinishing off-site isn't as easy as it sounds, and the boards, not being sanded together, will not be as smooth as on-site finish. That's why pre-finished, engineered floors have beveled edges (that also collect dirt and debris). Unless they make sanding and refinishing illegal (which they probably will eventually via EPA regulations), traditional install, sand and finish is still the best for most applications. Lastly, the cost of this is prohibitive. Not trying to be nasty here and it's a clever approach but I don't think I'll be putting up my nailer and floor sander any time soon. Been a wood flooring contractor for almost thirty years. Good luck with it.
How long before the plastic connectors dry-out & become brittle enough to start cracking under tension and/or pressure ?
Nothing compares to a hardwood floor that has been stapled down, sanded & lacquered to a mirror-finish with no seams/grooves to collect dirt & bacteria... Period.
Great concept. Should be a winner.
8:00 he did not wanna say “your money” 😂
"It's a great place to hide ... your ... uh ... wad?"
hello so just one quick question if its not fastened down to the subfloor then how flat does the floor need to be for install without squeaks im going assume 1/8" on 12 ft same as laminate?
So it's a floating wooden floor? Bad news boys, we've had that in Norway for about 30 years.
Yep. Same here in Finland. Probably Sweden as well. Click-install hardwood floors are a norm here.
Yep, same here in Germany.
Well now we got em. But they're AMERICAN MADE BITCHES!!!
It's similar, but the installation is much different. You can't remove a single plank from the middle of a traditional floating floor without taking up the surrounding boards.
@@Tasselhoff88 My first floating floor in the States was about that long ago as well. That's not new anywhere in the West. The attempt here is to add interchangeability, apparently, but for the price I could easily just break out and replace the whole floating assembly repeatedly.
I am a wood man! I love that floor. Listen that is an awesome invention. I would love to buy some one day.
dunno my lvt looks pretty damn good
You're an NPC, nothing looks like anything to you.
You're programming says to say your lvt looks pretty damn good, even though I can't see it from my house.
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That is really a sweet sweet idea. I hope everything goes well for you!!
Also if you rent you can take it with you
I got it.
@@kethmarhkfy7luf.263-- Who said anything about dragging it INTO the apartment that you rent? Paying for the pieces of the building is the owner's job. As a tenant all you have to do is carry it out at 3am right before you think you're gonna get evicted.
Why a fantastic product!
I’m intrigued but concerned about the ends not having and tongue /grove. If any of the material cups or crowns due to temperature, you’ll feel it under foot.
I was curious about that as well. I was surprised no mention of the issue in the video and no comments about it until yours. Even without cupping it seems like there would always be small cracks between the planks as the wood expanded and contracted.