Sorry for the length, I've always been tentative about showing my emotions and fully engaging on that level with other people, you know, breaking through that barrier and truly touching hearts with another person. I thought that was Demon Fe because it seemed like my connection to emotion was so weak...but it was actually the opposite. My aversion to my own emotions and other peoples emotions wasn't because my extroverted feeling was so low, it was because my emotions were so strong that I have to shut them off. Hence, why I try to blend into the wall and spend a lot of energy making sure the people around me are comfortable so I'm not on their emotional radar. This puzzled me until I stepped outside myself and saw that my routines, diet, habits, tendency to be annoyed when things are misplaced, etc.. are because of my strong Introverted Sensing. I also realized that despite always being what I considered a very logical and data-driven person, I still have shortcomings in critical thinking and often rely on authority figures for knowledge, as someone with Ti child might. Not so with INTPs and ISTPs, who are their own authorites. Putting this together and investigating the other types in my function group (ENTP, ESFJ, INTP, and ISFJ) was the key to the shocking realization that I had Fe in my auxiliary slot, not my 4th. When I take my life into context, I realized Fe guided so many decisions and in-the-moment responses, usually in the service of others above myself. It wasn't because I was an unhealthy INTP slipping into his 3rd and 4th functions...It's because I'm actually an ISFJ...one who's tumultuous childhood forced me further into my introverted functions Si and Ti, making me resemble an INTP. Nobody could have told me that about myself except myself, and maybe an MBTI trained therapist. But I've been my own therapist my whole life. Why put that emotional burden on someone else?
I appreciated your nuanced description of realistic introversion. "I wish people wouldn't say there's something wrong with us because we're introverted but not introverted in a cute way, more introverted in the I'm exhausted and overstimulated... And I'm sensitive. I'm actually really sensitive. I just can't express it to you because I don't like being vulnerable and I'm not cute. I'm quite harsh actually." The strictly collective voice you took on toward the end was interesting, too. And the overexposure suits this video somehow.
Omg I’m an INFP-ish INTP too!!! And I attract a lot of INFP friends but they usually get shocked (or irritated) that I’m Infact INTP. And the extremely dead ghostly INTP stereotype always baffles me because I don’t identify with that. Oh and also I really LOVE love 💕 (even though I have only two best friends one of whom is my husband). I need to see more INTP females 👏🏾
I'm an INFP(I think), but I've been dipping into my Fi function more to get me out of a horrible depressive rut that I put myself in during university since I decided to study a hard science(Physics) and had conflicting emotions for somebody that came in like a whirlwind that I never saw coming. I didn't realize the importance of community when I was younger and I was too stubborn to accept that fact that I needed some people to be close to instead of relying on myself all the time. Still working on that, but it's still extremely difficult for me to be vulnerable in front of people. I can do it in front of a camera, but my throat clumps up in front of real humans which ties back to childhood trauma that I'm still unpacking. As for technology, I find its theory to be intriguing, but I've never been extremely practical so when people talk to be about what's going on in the AI sphere or the latest version and changes to the Linux kernel I start spacing out.
I do have one more thing to say. There are more intellectual ISFJ women out there. This isn't something I understood when I first started with psyche type because my mom is an ISFJ and this made me assume things in the beginning. It is possible though for you to find an ISFJ friend who is like a 6w5 with a well developed Ti and that doesn't repress their Ne, and has become quite knowledgeable in multiple things. The reason I'm mentioning this is the connection can be beneficial to both. The best way to put it is, if you have not had this connection/friend in your life yet, I feel like it's a missing puzzle piece that is an experience that would be nice to have before death and preferably before middle/late aged. I got to have mine with an ISTP (for me the INFJ/ISTP connection is equivalent to your ISFJ/INTP connection) also if it seems like I'm explaining this in a way that you didn't already know if you do, then I'm sorry as I'm not trying to insult your intelligence or assume some superiority or inferiority, actually even typing that just now bothers me because I think some things are said just to make sure that both are on the same page of understanding...
Technology is useful and interesting when it does the boring and repetitive work, but otherwise has no intrinsic allure. I agree that gaming holds no interest.
Gaming hold interest only in it's connection with others for me. This can be as simple as 2 friends pulling out a chess board for a few matches. This also doesn't mean it goes to some extreme such as Bobby Fischer's dedication to the game, that is all life consuming. Which even he admitted in the end was not worth it. I think it's important to not completely dismiss games into one box, as some sort of ego identification response in that is not me. I can already almost see you replying in a way that is not acknowledging what I'm saying. I'm saying that if gaming holds no interest that is fine, but at least to know and identify that it's not some ego thing of separating that from your identity, or also just the idea that life is short and you have better things to do, such as relationships that are more important etc. which all of that is fine. I'm literally saying that going to play a game of tennis with a friend can be seen as a " video game " it's just taking place in reality, and you're getting the benefit of physical exercise and vitamin D from the Sun etc. I hope I have made my point in that any type of " gaming " whether electronic or in real life can be beneficial for the mind/body and connection with others. As an example Tetris with my self is less interesting, Tetris with a friend whom when I clear lines it sends blocks to their side is a fun way to pass some time, and can lead to interesting conversation between both, and we can simply put the controllers down after an hour of " fun ". There is also the idea that all of life is a game (lol) so to say you have no interest in games is almost to say you have no interest in life.
Honestly, as for the games, I only like MOBA games when you play with four and against five, and winning means losing for the other team, or vice versa. This is fun. I hope you try these games. I was like you, I don’t care about them, and they are not fun. But I found a wonderful game "Honor of Kings"
Hamlet has often been called an INTP. There is a silent film from 1921 about Hamlet who is born a woman but continues to wear men's clothing. Only Hamlet's mother knows the ruse. Stars Asta Nielsen. You might like this film which is on youtube.
As an INFP, I used to be a very dogmatic, materialist atheist until like 20 years old. With age you get more nuance and openness (in my case) and now Im more of an agnostic
Atheism and Agnosticism are not really incompatible, otherwise anyone being Bayes-Rational could not be a "true" Atheist. (0 and 1 not being permitted values ala Cromwell's rule) Not knowing the answer for sure is given, it is about the probability. Someone who assigns a probability of 20% to the existence of god would surely be an agnostic atheist, right?
Really good stream of consciousness I can relate to. Wish I had known about MBTI when I was young, but I've known about it for a couple of decades now and I'm still finding nuances that didn't occur to me before. I found myself ostracized over the years, but it didn't distress me too much because so few people are very interesting to me. I'm my own best company--no expectations. I see the look of expectation in other people's eyes, even my own family, and I have no idea what they expect of me, even if I ask them. I don't think they know, either. I guess I keep looking for the punchline to life, and it never comes. I wish I fit in better. Like you, I need people, but it's uncomfortable because I don't live up to whatever their expectations are. I think I have put a thousand times more effort in trying to understand myself than most people have. They don't need to, because they fit in. I liken myself to the Ugly Duckling who's really a swan, but I never found a flock of swans, and if I did, I would be rejected because I don't know how to be a real swan. On the other hand, maybe I was better off thinking I was a duckling. It made me try harder.
It's possible your infp room mates father is an INTP 5w6 which isn't the full picture, but other factors even such as dismissive avoidant attachment style etc. made her father have more of the stereotype intp etc. bla bla Most (this is not rule) INTP's are 5's or 9's ( I actually love the 9 intp's sorry but it's true ) I'm certain that you are 5 I can tell and I'm also certain that your first wing is 4. So this means 5w4 now lots of INFP's are 4w5 but there are also lots of infp 9's lol. but where I'm going with this is your age/experience in life and with self and introspection, it's like duh it makes sense that part of you is infp or more like infp than it seems. Also our last function is more aware than the second to last function which is Se for you. So where I'm going with this is It makes 100% sense that you are much more emotional than it seems and the stereotype is dumb. Also you could think I'm wrong and maybe you feel like you are an enneagram 9. I can see that in your tritype the next is 9 for you 9w8 to be exact. So to write out your type of what I know so far it would be like INTP 5w4 - 9w8 self preservation first. I believe you are Sp/Sx but at times your SX takes the front seat and is stronger than your instinct for self preservation. Sx stands for sexual but the name is misleading it's actually just a desire for intensity and one on one or small group experiences, that you can't get with big group interactions which is the 3rd instinct which is social. So I'm saying your order is 1st self preservation 2nd sexual or (intensity one one one) this can even be with like a girlfriend that you are having deep conversation with i dont know why they call it sexual but it kind of fits for that too I guess... 3rd is social but it's more deep than that social is even like understanding hierarchy and positioning your self with the right people and being diplomatic and tactful, which I'm not saying you can't do that but it's draining and you prefer to be more autonomous and it feels like you lose your self in others or have to bend in order to achieve some outcome and it all seems tedious (because it is) just for example to write out my type would be like this INFJ 9w1 (4w5 5w6) sx/sp quiet borderline personality disorder - fearful avoidant attachment style with the information I just gave it's possible to know a lot about me before even meeting me. It's also interesting the resemblance your eyes have with ISTJ 5's, it's not the same but there is a similarity. Cognitive function or psyche type is extremely important to know and understand, but I often find my self realizing that someone's enneagram plays a much bigger role at times and the order of their tri type wings etc. obviously the flavor of that is different for different psyche types/enneagram combinations.
I really hesitated to write what you said. I saw it and wrote it the same way you wrote it I wanted to write that, but I didn't do it out of laziness because I felt like I would have to explain why I wrote it like that. intp 5w4 sp/sx I think I'm that type too, or maybe Iam an INFP, to be honest, I'm confused The important thing is, thank you for providing some explanation about this type, because I wanted to search for this after that video
@@unknownvt9fn INTP 5w4 sp/sx is an extremely common type statistically for INTP's and INFP 4w5 sx/sp is extremely popular for INFP's now you can find INTP's with the sx/sp instinct order but that is much more rare, and it's important to be introspective enough to place the correct one first. You can also find INFP's with sp/sx in that order, it's funny that most do have the social instinct last, this really is partially because the autonomous nature of INxP's in general has a very strong -- SELF > others -- aspect to it. I'm not saying they don't value relationships but feeling consumed or swallowed up by society or expectations of who you should be for others etc. not being your own self or individual is terrifying to both types. I think therefor I am, I feel therefor I am. This doesn't mean that the social instinct is never 2nd but it is mostly not 1st though, like that is much more rare like extremely rare. This would still be a person who even though they have So first is still an extreme version of self... anyway i want to stop there. As far as you not knowing your type completely or accurately, I am able to do this over video with a clear camera. By this I mean all the tests online are useless if you have me, because the tests can be wrong. I type over 75% of people accurately with speed, but sometimes it takes longer things can cloud my intuition and with others it can take more time but I will not apply 100% until I'm sure and if I'm not I will let the person know. This doesn't make my doubt my abilities it's just that I would need more time/data to say with certainty, but it's usually narrowed down. I have become extremely accurate and fast over the years at this though. To the point of even typing attachment styles and possible mood disorders and personality disorders quickly. Which you will then get the comment/reply let the professionals do that bla/bla/bla and I get where they are going but think of it this way. How many times over the years has the Diagnostic Statistical Manual Changed? The current one is over 10 years old and doesn't even account for subtypes of personality disorders which many professionals who have been doing this for 30-40 years even are very much aware of now, such as quiet/discouraged/high functioning borderline personality disorder. That is a subtype like we know this is as a fact and the name in the next DSM will likely be emotionally unstable personality disorder for example. It's also because of overlap becoming much more likely for many things to change and be much more focused to the individual their symptoms the overlap meaning the name is less important although it does somewhat matter in the big picture it's like the specific treatment will be different for people depending on many things. We already know this stuff now and in the last decade much improvement has been made and there are revisions to the book but it's just a mess also in a way. The good news is in that area very good progress is happening in understanding, diagnosing and treating, not to say that all therapists/psychologists/psychiatrists will accurately do this or even care at some point which is sad to admit, but it's subjectively true for some. I'm sorry if I don't provide this service for you to find out, The interesting thing to admit though is we all have all 8 cognitive functions and the numbers on the enneagram we are all of them. We can say we have a type in both because of what pops out and what we can see to be true, but all of us are all the functions we are all the numbers on the enneagram literally individuation and growth is understanding this and expanding the self into all realms and experiences of humanity, which is faster done through connections with other people and accepting not rejecting parts of them into ourselves overcoming our shadow and rejected and repressed parts of ourselves. The idea is that along this journey as we reach our 40's and beyond that the differences between us to some degree diminish and relating is much easier while still at the same time maintaining our uniqueness and base that we started out from in childhood, by this meaning your dominant cognitive function will always be your 1st and your starting enneagram will always be your childhood base, but it is not a limitation you are everything that humanity has to offer and experience in your self.
Some part of me really wants to talk to you even just on discord with headsets, but the goal would be to connect for a short time and share thoughts but then to disengage at some point where you will probably never hear from me again. I just want to make it clear that I'm not trying to establish some relationship with you. I have thought about the fact of attraction and if that is affecting me as some subconscious reason that I want to talk to you, but honestly I then try to picture you with like horrible acne and your nose is kind of crooked (lol sorry) and it doesn't matter I still want to talk to you, because it's your brain I'm interested in. The truth is there is an INTP woman I'm interested in and it's not you, she likes me too, I know because I'm psychic (lol) but she's in observation mode and feelings minus fears mode and because self preservation is stronger for her first and because of the at work dynamic, and because she technically has a few better options, but I secretly know that deep down she likes me more (please just trust me). I think she knows that there are unique things she can learn from me, I think she is curious, she doesn't know what it is but she can tell that I know things she doesn't know and she wants to figure out what it is, she also likes the high level of attraction I have for her, where some of the so called better options which they objectively are, might not admire her as much over time or are more in it for themselves and she's smart enough to tell this. At the same time she is picking up some things from me that are pushing the fears a bit higher, which is honestly for good reason I have quiet bpd and fearful avoidant attachment style. Even with her though I don't want to hurt her, control her anything, I really just want to connect for a bit, I do want some intensity to it and I do want deep conversation and to exchange thoughts/feelings, but I'm not like planning our future together forever or something I just know that I want this and she does too, I think it's going to happen because it's leading that way. I do fear somewhat that my childhood trauma will leak out a bit at some point in the end but because I'm aware of it I believe I will have it under control and just deal with the triggers on my own which have nothing to do with her. I don't know why I wrote all this to you. Also if we never talk thats fine I didn't even want to talk about her really I just want like information exchange. I just want to have intuitive/thinking conversation with you to attach for a short time and then detach.
We’re antidrama but we value consistency and congruence between words and actions. If we see any misalignment, we will point it out because it’s not following a logical and transparent streamline and it’d need either correction or reassurance, and that’s what people (mostly men) call drama.
5:10 Sort of edging towards it anyway and sort of liked it. Christianity/Not an Atheist. If you take a big church lets say with 5,000-10,000 people, has a school, day care, gym, swimming pools etc. The person who is praying at their bed at night doesn't get their prayers answered, now you go to that church and let the pastor know, let people know there that you lost your job and you need a job... all of a sudden " God " has answered your prayers. Having trouble with childcare while you go to work, money is tight? All of a sudden the church is helping you with childcare and to pay your electric bill a few months while you get back on your feet. There are weddings here, and the pastor comes to say kind word during a funeral. I don't know about God, because nobody truly does, but I can say this much... Jesus was real and walked the earth. He was a child of God just like you and me a mortal (wo)man just like you and me. He did work miracles if you want to put it that way, but trying to free minds got his butt nailed to a cross. Him coming back is really just saying that in our DNA Jesus will always return, Jesus is revived right now in multiple people, might not be named Jesus though could just be a guy named Michael. So do I like religion and churches, sure... Ludwig Wittgenstein... IQ200 what game are we playing? Take the chess piece off the board and throw it on the floor what is it now? What is it's meaning, it has none outside of the game. To think otherwise is nonsensical. We play all sorts of games during our lease in this mortal body. Why do we need all these philosophers when we have the one that showed the fly's the way out of the bottle? Wittgenstein is the philosopher that made other philosopher's irrelevant. Why do we need the Big 5 when we have had Carl Jung's Psychological Types since 1921? I have spent to much time typing here now, I have things to do.
Thank you so much for taking the effort to send this video all the way from heaven
Sorry for the length,
I've always been tentative about showing my emotions and fully engaging on that level with other people, you know, breaking through that barrier and truly touching hearts with another person. I thought that was Demon Fe because it seemed like my connection to emotion was so weak...but it was actually the opposite.
My aversion to my own emotions and other peoples emotions wasn't because my extroverted feeling was so low, it was because my emotions were so strong that I have to shut them off. Hence, why I try to blend into the wall and spend a lot of energy making sure the people around me are comfortable so I'm not on their emotional radar.
This puzzled me until I stepped outside myself and saw that my routines, diet, habits, tendency to be annoyed when things are misplaced, etc.. are because of my strong Introverted Sensing. I also realized that despite always being what I considered a very logical and data-driven person, I still have shortcomings in critical thinking and often rely on authority figures for knowledge, as someone with Ti child might. Not so with INTPs and ISTPs, who are their own authorites.
Putting this together and investigating the other types in my function group (ENTP, ESFJ, INTP, and ISFJ) was the key to the shocking realization that I had Fe in my auxiliary slot, not my 4th. When I take my life into context, I realized Fe guided so many decisions and in-the-moment responses, usually in the service of others above myself. It wasn't because I was an unhealthy INTP slipping into his 3rd and 4th functions...It's because I'm actually an ISFJ...one who's tumultuous childhood forced me further into my introverted functions Si and Ti, making me resemble an INTP. Nobody could have told me that about myself except myself, and maybe an MBTI trained therapist. But I've been my own therapist my whole life. Why put that emotional burden on someone else?
Yeah I was going to say that lol
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I appreciated your nuanced description of realistic introversion.
"I wish people wouldn't say there's something wrong with us because we're introverted but not introverted in a cute way, more introverted in the I'm exhausted and overstimulated... And I'm sensitive. I'm actually really sensitive. I just can't express it to you because I don't like being vulnerable and I'm not cute. I'm quite harsh actually."
The strictly collective voice you took on toward the end was interesting, too.
And the overexposure suits this video somehow.
Omg I’m an INFP-ish INTP too!!! And I attract a lot of INFP friends but they usually get shocked (or irritated) that I’m Infact INTP. And the extremely dead ghostly INTP stereotype always baffles me because I don’t identify with that. Oh and also I really LOVE love 💕 (even though I have only two best friends one of whom is my husband). I need to see more INTP females 👏🏾
So intp is british angel living in heaven, basically.
I’m INTP transwoman I feel like I Agree with mostly all of what you said, especially leaning into fantasy so much.
This was filmed in the afterlife?
I'm an INFP(I think), but I've been dipping into my Fi function more to get me out of a horrible depressive rut that I put myself in during university since I decided to study a hard science(Physics) and had conflicting emotions for somebody that came in like a whirlwind that I never saw coming. I didn't realize the importance of community when I was younger and I was too stubborn to accept that fact that I needed some people to be close to instead of relying on myself all the time. Still working on that, but it's still extremely difficult for me to be vulnerable in front of people. I can do it in front of a camera, but my throat clumps up in front of real humans which ties back to childhood trauma that I'm still unpacking. As for technology, I find its theory to be intriguing, but I've never been extremely practical so when people talk to be about what's going on in the AI sphere or the latest version and changes to the Linux kernel I start spacing out.
I do have one more thing to say. There are more intellectual ISFJ women out there. This isn't something I understood when I first started with psyche type because my mom is an ISFJ and this made me assume things in the beginning. It is possible though for you to find an ISFJ friend who is like a 6w5 with a well developed Ti and that doesn't repress their Ne, and has become quite knowledgeable in multiple things. The reason I'm mentioning this is the connection can be beneficial to both. The best way to put it is, if you have not had this connection/friend in your life yet, I feel like it's a missing puzzle piece that is an experience that would be nice to have before death and preferably before middle/late aged. I got to have mine with an ISTP (for me the INFJ/ISTP connection is equivalent to your ISFJ/INTP connection) also if it seems like I'm explaining this in a way that you didn't already know if you do, then I'm sorry as I'm not trying to insult your intelligence or assume some superiority or inferiority, actually even typing that just now bothers me because I think some things are said just to make sure that both are on the same page of understanding...
Technology is useful and interesting when it does the boring and repetitive work, but otherwise has no intrinsic allure. I agree that gaming holds no interest.
Gaming hold interest only in it's connection with others for me. This can be as simple as 2 friends pulling out a chess board for a few matches. This also doesn't mean it goes to some extreme such as Bobby Fischer's dedication to the game, that is all life consuming. Which even he admitted in the end was not worth it. I think it's important to not completely dismiss games into one box, as some sort of ego identification response in that is not me. I can already almost see you replying in a way that is not acknowledging what I'm saying. I'm saying that if gaming holds no interest that is fine, but at least to know and identify that it's not some ego thing of separating that from your identity, or also just the idea that life is short and you have better things to do, such as relationships that are more important etc. which all of that is fine. I'm literally saying that going to play a game of tennis with a friend can be seen as a " video game " it's just taking place in reality, and you're getting the benefit of physical exercise and vitamin D from the Sun etc. I hope I have made my point in that any type of " gaming " whether electronic or in real life can be beneficial for the mind/body and connection with others. As an example Tetris with my self is less interesting, Tetris with a friend whom when I clear lines it sends blocks to their side is a fun way to pass some time, and can lead to interesting conversation between both, and we can simply put the controllers down after an hour of " fun ". There is also the idea that all of life is a game (lol) so to say you have no interest in games is almost to say you have no interest in life.
@@mws12345 I agree that games with friends are more wholesome than "playing" against a computer. ☺
Honestly, as for the games, I only like MOBA games when you play with four and against five, and winning means losing for the other team, or vice versa. This is fun. I hope you try these games. I was like you, I don’t care about them, and they are not fun.
But I found a wonderful game "Honor of Kings"
I‘m 23 and for the first time I tried Minecraft. I didn’t know it was this cute. Also, it’s more fun with friends.
@@PeyloBeauty Yes, I really like to play with my friend
she's only one but it's fun to play with her
Hamlet has often been called an INTP. There is a silent film from 1921 about Hamlet who is born a woman but continues to wear men's clothing. Only Hamlet's mother knows the ruse. Stars Asta Nielsen. You might like this film which is on youtube.
Hello! Nice and rare video! Good luck for u
As an INFP, I used to be a very dogmatic, materialist atheist until like 20 years old. With age you get more nuance and openness (in my case) and now Im more of an agnostic
Atheism and Agnosticism are not really incompatible, otherwise anyone being Bayes-Rational could not be a "true" Atheist. (0 and 1 not being permitted values ala Cromwell's rule)
Not knowing the answer for sure is given, it is about the probability. Someone who assigns a probability of 20% to the existence of god would surely be an agnostic atheist, right?
Really good stream of consciousness I can relate to. Wish I had known about MBTI when I was young, but I've known about it for a couple of decades now and I'm still finding nuances that didn't occur to me before. I found myself ostracized over the years, but it didn't distress me too much because so few people are very interesting to me. I'm my own best company--no expectations. I see the look of expectation in other people's eyes, even my own family, and I have no idea what they expect of me, even if I ask them. I don't think they know, either. I guess I keep looking for the punchline to life, and it never comes. I wish I fit in better. Like you, I need people, but it's uncomfortable because I don't live up to whatever their expectations are. I think I have put a thousand times more effort in trying to understand myself than most people have. They don't need to, because they fit in. I liken myself to the Ugly Duckling who's really a swan, but I never found a flock of swans, and if I did, I would be rejected because I don't know how to be a real swan. On the other hand, maybe I was better off thinking I was a duckling. It made me try harder.
Awww I think this is a profound reflection thank you for sharing that 🌷💕🫰
It's possible your infp room mates father is an INTP 5w6 which isn't the full picture, but other factors even such as dismissive avoidant attachment style etc. made her father have more of the stereotype intp etc. bla bla Most (this is not rule) INTP's are 5's or 9's ( I actually love the 9 intp's sorry but it's true ) I'm certain that you are 5 I can tell and I'm also certain that your first wing is 4. So this means 5w4 now lots of INFP's are 4w5 but there are also lots of infp 9's lol. but where I'm going with this is your age/experience in life and with self and introspection, it's like duh it makes sense that part of you is infp or more like infp than it seems. Also our last function is more aware than the second to last function which is Se for you. So where I'm going with this is It makes 100% sense that you are much more emotional than it seems and the stereotype is dumb. Also you could think I'm wrong and maybe you feel like you are an enneagram 9. I can see that in your tritype the next is 9 for you 9w8 to be exact. So to write out your type of what I know so far it would be like INTP 5w4 - 9w8 self preservation first. I believe you are Sp/Sx but at times your SX takes the front seat and is stronger than your instinct for self preservation. Sx stands for sexual but the name is misleading it's actually just a desire for intensity and one on one or small group experiences, that you can't get with big group interactions which is the 3rd instinct which is social. So I'm saying your order is 1st self preservation 2nd sexual or (intensity one one one) this can even be with like a girlfriend that you are having deep conversation with i dont know why they call it sexual but it kind of fits for that too I guess... 3rd is social but it's more deep than that social is even like understanding hierarchy and positioning your self with the right people and being diplomatic and tactful, which I'm not saying you can't do that but it's draining and you prefer to be more autonomous and it feels like you lose your self in others or have to bend in order to achieve some outcome and it all seems tedious (because it is) just for example to write out my type would be like this INFJ 9w1 (4w5 5w6) sx/sp quiet borderline personality disorder - fearful avoidant attachment style with the information I just gave it's possible to know a lot about me before even meeting me. It's also interesting the resemblance your eyes have with ISTJ 5's, it's not the same but there is a similarity. Cognitive function or psyche type is extremely important to know and understand, but I often find my self realizing that someone's enneagram plays a much bigger role at times and the order of their tri type wings etc. obviously the flavor of that is different for different psyche types/enneagram combinations.
I really hesitated to write what you said. I saw it and wrote it the same way you wrote it
I wanted to write that, but I didn't do it out of laziness because I felt like I would have to explain why I wrote it like that.
intp 5w4 sp/sx
I think I'm that type too, or maybe Iam an INFP, to be honest, I'm confused
The important thing is, thank you for providing some explanation about this type, because I wanted to search for this after that video
@@unknownvt9fn INTP 5w4 sp/sx is an extremely common type statistically for INTP's and INFP 4w5 sx/sp is extremely popular for INFP's now you can find INTP's with the sx/sp instinct order but that is much more rare, and it's important to be introspective enough to place the correct one first. You can also find INFP's with sp/sx in that order, it's funny that most do have the social instinct last, this really is partially because the autonomous nature of INxP's in general has a very strong -- SELF > others -- aspect to it. I'm not saying they don't value relationships but feeling consumed or swallowed up by society or expectations of who you should be for others etc. not being your own self or individual is terrifying to both types. I think therefor I am, I feel therefor I am. This doesn't mean that the social instinct is never 2nd but it is mostly not 1st though, like that is much more rare like extremely rare. This would still be a person who even though they have So first is still an extreme version of self... anyway i want to stop there. As far as you not knowing your type completely or accurately, I am able to do this over video with a clear camera. By this I mean all the tests online are useless if you have me, because the tests can be wrong. I type over 75% of people accurately with speed, but sometimes it takes longer things can cloud my intuition and with others it can take more time but I will not apply 100% until I'm sure and if I'm not I will let the person know. This doesn't make my doubt my abilities it's just that I would need more time/data to say with certainty, but it's usually narrowed down. I have become extremely accurate and fast over the years at this though. To the point of even typing attachment styles and possible mood disorders and personality disorders quickly. Which you will then get the comment/reply let the professionals do that bla/bla/bla and I get where they are going but think of it this way. How many times over the years has the Diagnostic Statistical Manual Changed? The current one is over 10 years old and doesn't even account for subtypes of personality disorders which many professionals who have been doing this for 30-40 years even are very much aware of now, such as quiet/discouraged/high functioning borderline personality disorder. That is a subtype like we know this is as a fact and the name in the next DSM will likely be emotionally unstable personality disorder for example. It's also because of overlap becoming much more likely for many things to change and be much more focused to the individual their symptoms the overlap meaning the name is less important although it does somewhat matter in the big picture it's like the specific treatment will be different for people depending on many things. We already know this stuff now and in the last decade much improvement has been made and there are revisions to the book but it's just a mess also in a way. The good news is in that area very good progress is happening in understanding, diagnosing and treating, not to say that all therapists/psychologists/psychiatrists will accurately do this or even care at some point which is sad to admit, but it's subjectively true for some. I'm sorry if I don't provide this service for you to find out, The interesting thing to admit though is we all have all 8 cognitive functions and the numbers on the enneagram we are all of them. We can say we have a type in both because of what pops out and what we can see to be true, but all of us are all the functions we are all the numbers on the enneagram literally individuation and growth is understanding this and expanding the self into all realms and experiences of humanity, which is faster done through connections with other people and accepting not rejecting parts of them into ourselves overcoming our shadow and rejected and repressed parts of ourselves. The idea is that along this journey as we reach our 40's and beyond that the differences between us to some degree diminish and relating is much easier while still at the same time maintaining our uniqueness and base that we started out from in childhood, by this meaning your dominant cognitive function will always be your 1st and your starting enneagram will always be your childhood base, but it is not a limitation you are everything that humanity has to offer and experience in your self.
Some part of me really wants to talk to you even just on discord with headsets, but the goal would be to connect for a short time and share thoughts but then to disengage at some point where you will probably never hear from me again. I just want to make it clear that I'm not trying to establish some relationship with you. I have thought about the fact of attraction and if that is affecting me as some subconscious reason that I want to talk to you, but honestly I then try to picture you with like horrible acne and your nose is kind of crooked (lol sorry) and it doesn't matter I still want to talk to you, because it's your brain I'm interested in. The truth is there is an INTP woman I'm interested in and it's not you, she likes me too, I know because I'm psychic (lol) but she's in observation mode and feelings minus fears mode and because self preservation is stronger for her first and because of the at work dynamic, and because she technically has a few better options, but I secretly know that deep down she likes me more (please just trust me). I think she knows that there are unique things she can learn from me, I think she is curious, she doesn't know what it is but she can tell that I know things she doesn't know and she wants to figure out what it is, she also likes the high level of attraction I have for her, where some of the so called better options which they objectively are, might not admire her as much over time or are more in it for themselves and she's smart enough to tell this. At the same time she is picking up some things from me that are pushing the fears a bit higher, which is honestly for good reason I have quiet bpd and fearful avoidant attachment style. Even with her though I don't want to hurt her, control her anything, I really just want to connect for a bit, I do want some intensity to it and I do want deep conversation and to exchange thoughts/feelings, but I'm not like planning our future together forever or something I just know that I want this and she does too, I think it's going to happen because it's leading that way. I do fear somewhat that my childhood trauma will leak out a bit at some point in the end but because I'm aware of it I believe I will have it under control and just deal with the triggers on my own which have nothing to do with her. I don't know why I wrote all this to you. Also if we never talk thats fine I didn't even want to talk about her really I just want like information exchange. I just want to have intuitive/thinking conversation with you to attach for a short time and then detach.
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"Intp women are antidrama", where can I get one? Hahah
Local libraries, internet cafes and some kind of nerdy events
Honestly anywhere.
We’re antidrama but we value consistency and congruence between words and actions. If we see any misalignment, we will point it out because it’s not following a logical and transparent streamline and it’d need either correction or reassurance, and that’s what people (mostly men) call drama.
5:10 Sort of edging towards it anyway and sort of liked it. Christianity/Not an Atheist. If you take a big church lets say with 5,000-10,000 people, has a school, day care, gym, swimming pools etc. The person who is praying at their bed at night doesn't get their prayers answered, now you go to that church and let the pastor know, let people know there that you lost your job and you need a job... all of a sudden " God " has answered your prayers. Having trouble with childcare while you go to work, money is tight? All of a sudden the church is helping you with childcare and to pay your electric bill a few months while you get back on your feet. There are weddings here, and the pastor comes to say kind word during a funeral. I don't know about God, because nobody truly does, but I can say this much... Jesus was real and walked the earth. He was a child of God just like you and me a mortal (wo)man just like you and me. He did work miracles if you want to put it that way, but trying to free minds got his butt nailed to a cross. Him coming back is really just saying that in our DNA Jesus will always return, Jesus is revived right now in multiple people, might not be named Jesus though could just be a guy named Michael. So do I like religion and churches, sure... Ludwig Wittgenstein... IQ200 what game are we playing? Take the chess piece off the board and throw it on the floor what is it now? What is it's meaning, it has none outside of the game. To think otherwise is nonsensical. We play all sorts of games during our lease in this mortal body. Why do we need all these philosophers when we have the one that showed the fly's the way out of the bottle? Wittgenstein is the philosopher that made other philosopher's irrelevant. Why do we need the Big 5 when we have had Carl Jung's Psychological Types since 1921? I have spent to much time typing here now, I have things to do.
Come on now, you are cute. Wth