Jim Cornette on Where HHH Would Be If He Hadn't Married Stephanie McMahon
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“Michaels wanted to sit in the production meetings so he could figure out who to sabotage later on.” LOL damn. Way to sum up the Shawn Michaels of the late 90’s in one sentence!
ColdPhront3 I died when Cornette said that😂😂😂
Jim 😁😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It sucks to get older and realize ur childhood hero was the biggest prick in the business lol. Fuck it they can all still suck it!!
@@dantemagliari1073 i knew what Shawn was back & still was a fan of his. His character, the heel turn from Marty, it seemed like he was an asshole back then! But that's ok we all your human
@@MichaelThomas-decga what kind ởf ẻngrish school u graduate from?
I'm the game ahhhh.... And I am going to talk in the middle of the ring ahhhh....and I absolutely suck ahhhh
-The Rock about HHH
John Mateus that feud carried the business in 2000
John Mateus and it’s true he carried the company but like in 98 Stone Cold was carrying the company and people paid to see him and also to see him kick Vince ass so same thing with HHH they wanted Rock to kick his feud so feud of the year Imo The McMahon Helmsley regime vs The Rock
John Mateus in 2000 he was a IWC god lol but smarks turned on him in 03
He wasn’t even married to her in 2000 they got real life married in 2002 but he would not be running nxt if he was not married but he still would have won the belt
Dude stfu and give HHH his respect!
HHH will always be the definition of a “jack of all trades, master of none”. He’s no Rock, but he’s not god awful on the mic either (most of the time at least). He can’t wrestle like Shawn, but he can carry his weight in a main event capacity. He didn’t have much of a personality, but he always surrounded himself with people who did. Whether it was dumb luck or strategic, Paul certainly did play the game
Jobaer bhuiyan When did I say he never had a good match? All I said was that he wasn’t as good of a wrestler as objectively one of the best performers this business has seen. Read my comment before you reply next time.
Jobaer bhuiyan All good, brother
Bret Hart figured him out when he said unless HHH was in a hardcore match or gimmick match he was trash
Agreed. I think I almost entirely stopped watching RAW back in the early 2000s when he had his so-called 'reign of terror', and was just a Smackdown guy. To me, Triple H is on about the same level as Edge, i.e. a solid B+ player. Good to very good in most areas, but not great like Rock, Austin or Hogan.
Brian M I would put HHH at around an A-. Really all he was missing was a defining over-the-top personality trait that people can really latch on to. He’s kinda just Generic Badass Wrestling Man #63926
How about how HHH would be without HBK?
Yea he’d have been a mid table guy and nothing more.
Oh man that's a good one
That's the real question, not this Stephanie nonsense.
@Jobaer bhuiyan You mean the jobber factory that nobody asked for or wants?
probably better off in the locker room, he got a lot of heat by association. Taker naturally disliked him at first, he hated the kliq. but when Shawn went away, Taker started to like him.
“Shane wanted to buy UFC Vince didn’t know what that was” Damn 😔 if I was Shane I would’ve left too.
Honestly probably good in retrospect, who knows where the UFC would’ve been if Dana and Lorenzo didn’t buy it
It definitely wouldn't be what it is today. Most likely UFC would have died
@@jeromeinthehousesowatchyam4237 Vince would probably turn it to some MMA entertainment bs
People would've thought the fights were kafabe not a shoot.
Except he did know what it was lol Vince even plugged a UFC ppv on Raw in 1997 once as part of a deal to exchange Shamrock footage from UFC for video packages! Plus in 1995 Kama's gimmick was based on UFC fighters.
cornette snorts before answering
buckle up kids, were in for a ride
Reading your comment made me snort
It was a laugh goofy
Or does a small cough ...
He snorted twice! 🤭 You can barely hear the second one right at the end of the submitted question, but it's there. 😂😂😂
LMFAO. That killed me
The problem with Triple H and Stephanie is...they like to pretend that Chyna didn't exist.
Criminal Minds Girl no one is pretending Chyna doesn’t exist. They don’t mention her cos they are a PG company & she did porn (mocking her ex employer btw), did drugs & grabbed Stephanie by the throat. She chose to do those things. Ok HHH shouldn’t have cheated but at the end of the day Chyna was an adult and was responsible for her actions. No one made her do porn, no one made her take drugs, etc. It sucks she’s dead but it is what it is. And Stephanie said one day Chyna will be in the HOF.
chyna was mentioned in the wwe hall of fame 2019?
Facts don’t care About your feelings they already disowned any mention of Chyna by 2003. You can’t blame it on her porn, WWE erased her from history a long time ago. Long before the porn “mocking her ex employer” and the kinds of characters they do have in the hall of fame, such as Steve Austin who beat his wife, or Jimmy Snuka who killed his girlfriend, and not disowning Sean Waltman who filmed the porn with Chyna, and almost ALL of their former employees have had drug addictions some even severe, its an excuse they make to erase and discredit her from history when the reality is they did not want to take the heat for what they did to her and Stephanie didn’t like Joanie and HHH wanted to forget she existed
Also the Macho Man.
they showed her in the hall of fame.
Cornette is so awesome and he tells it how it really was. His line about Shawn wanting to sit in on production meetings to see who he could screw over is classic & awesome.
Foreal I go to the classics to hear how he feels unfiltered… this new Jim is great but not as angry
I think that Triple H's career without Stephanie would have been similar in success to Jericho in that he would have been a guy that would occasionally be in the main event and occasionally be champion, but he would not have been the constant presence at the very top without Stephanie. And then once he retired from the ring, he would have been an agent.
His entire career would have been different. He probably wouldn’t have even been at Jericho level.
@@zacharyradford5552 good joke
@@zacharyradford5552he was already a multiple time wwe champion without steph and solidified himself as a top 5 superstar in the company and was the biggest heel in the company he would’ve def still had a better career then Jericho as a A- type player but his career would’ve still been different in big ways
He was only ever something before marrying steph because Shawn and nash where his buddies but he was mid card or upper mid card cause of shawn.If Shawn or nash never befriended him he would have never got far up the card and stayed there as long as he has . I like Triple h and he has skills,but he was looked over until he got some buddies that where tight with the boss and marrying steph made him. Happy for him though.
@@adittya9002it's not a joke triple h is only where he is because he married Stephanie. He would be less than Jericho in career.
Sure Triple H the same Vince who squashed your career early with a 5 sec Ultimate Warrior victory at a Wrestlemania. Sleeping with the boss daughter helped.
Funny thing about that match is that it was actually before the Madison Square Garden incident. Meaning it was before he got punished and was stripped of the opportunity to win King of The Ring. With that said, WWE did have plans for Triple H despite that. He won the intercontinental title that fall. Then the next year won the king of the ring. People like to say he got everything he had because of marrying Stephanie. Personally, I think he got everything he had hanging with Shawn Michaels. Think about it. Without DX, Triple H wouldn't have been able to form that edgier Triple H persona. What would he have been in 1998? Would he still be doing curtsies instead of crotch chops? DX propelled him into a guy that could conceivably be the top heel in 1999 and onward. I think we still would have gotten the Triple H that we got but like Cornette said, his front office influence would be non existent.
@Jobaer bhuiyan 😂😂 When you burp do you taste Triple H on your taste buds? Fanatic or Stan please chill out and Quarantine.
dumb example you are talking about something when he was a low mid card heel, opposed to years later after he already got the title two or three times.
@Jobaer bhuiyan what?! Bitch please. The rock made wwf. He was their biggest star on monday night war and was their biggest star after. Even after marrying steph he was still in the rock shadow. He only had an chance when the rock move on from wrestling to movies.
He was a 2x wwe champion before sleeping with bosses daughter but you’re too much of a idiot to realize that
Imagine an alternate universe where Triple H was released in 2007 and ended up in TNA impact lmao
Or AEW...
Scott steiner 2.0
"what the hell is Hunter Levesque doing in the impact zone?"
@@njprince9717 lmao
WHAT THE HELL IS PAUL HUNTER DOING IN THE IMPACT ZONE??
If Trips was never married to Stephanie, he would be back as a nostalgia act and having a title run...
The Brave Introvert I don’t think so seeing as they already had him in creative meetings when Steph wasn’t even working there yet
^Hunter was attending production meetings, not creative.
Quentin Kaasa oh production then thank you
He would of never even had a title run.... guy was a bench warmer from day 1 when he got with steph is when his shit started to pick up.
Daryl Chase he was a world champ before he started messing with Stephanie
HHH would still be a lifer, however in a corporate role? maybe not
I believe he would he'd always have a spot for paul
It's easy to shit on Triple H he's an easy target, but there is no denying the impact he has had on wrestling.
@TOMBSTONE SHADOW HHH would still be a hall of famer. the only thing that probably would've changed is the the evolution stuff and after. that's when he went off the deep end. he was already moving up the card with the DX stuff. he's still be a multi-time world champion and he probably would have a job in the back, but not as high up.
Still keeping the up and coming guys down, that's his legacy.
@@imusingsocialistmedia3014 well nobody is ...is just that he wouldn't have that job specifically if he wasn't boning steph.
Cornette's snickering while Brian reads the statement is quite telling. He is well aware that Triple H having a great bond with Vince before hooking up with Stephanie is more than a stretch.
Problem is, with Vince I can't tell whether or not he'd limit telling people to learn to like the taste of shit only to people he didn't like.
I think Cornettes credibility deserves snickering
DCPD 87 because you worked in WWF-creative during the mid nineties?
@@Bale4Bond Because its been proven that Cornette is a proud man that, recreates history in order to protect his ego. And I didnt say that. Kevin Owens did.
Or it's true everyone knows Jim cornette is extremely biased
Show me the person who ever admitted to getting where they are by nepotism
well said
joe bu(ttfu)ck
@@runnersdialzero1244 as a SF Giants fan that is HILARIOUS and should be on a t-shirt.
Trumps kids and son in law lol
Mike golic jr
I think it's important to remember that had it not been for Triple H's close association with Nash and Hall, who got Vince to bring him up from WCW, and ultimately his later association with Shawn Michaels, because of Nash and Hall, that he never would have gotten his big push during the absence of The Rock and Steve Austin during the late 90's, eraly 00's.
Yes he would. He was the best all rounder in the company. Some guys were good on mic, or great wrestlers , but none were the full package like hhh was.
People love to claim hhh only got where he did because of steph , or the cliq , but he was a great talent before any if that.
@@TheKevzatriple h wasn't the full package. He was highly overrated and slept his way to the top.
He won world titles before they ever got together, but no one seems to want to remember that.
Because that means they would have to admit that Hunter was actually good enough to hold the belt at one point.
Nah I can accept that, but him burying talent and still putting himself in main events from time to time is what I can't.
and all things the same Rock goes to Hollywood, Austin is forced to retire because of his neck, Foley goes part time, Undertaker and Triple H are still the two that stick around.
He was doing her while giving the titles ...
without him marrying the bosses daughter, I think he still would’ve racked up a nice career for himself. He definitely wouldn’t of had the same pull/influence in outcomes that he does now. And we’d have no NXT maybe.
Triple H wouldn't be running nxt, but he would still be doing something. Kevin Kelly said he would sit in production meetings in like 1998 and see Triple H.
@@posteveryside-beatsnews consider he's got a look Vince likes, Austin still would've been forced to retire, Rock would've gone to Hollywood, Triple H and Undertaker would still be the two iron men that stuck around.
He'd be nowhere where he is now.
Sure .... keep thinking .... he would have been fired and drifting ..... ended up Selling Shovels
Wouldn't have*
Still carrying Shawn's bags....
At bingo halls
Oh damn hahahah
Hunter has always been in Shawn Micheals's shadow. Simply put, Shawn is better.
Shawn eventually cut his stupid bullshit.
Triple H is still dumb as fuck.
Shawn is a great worker, like him or not.
Triple H is an okay-ish worker.
Shawn ended his career while he had dignity, and when he still could wrestle, so his last match was a masterpiece.
Triple H is still semi active, and he can't wrestle like he used to. And he wasn't even the best when he was in his prime.
Shawn is a actually a really good person. (nowadays)
Hunter is still an asshole.
Hunter will always carry Shawn's bags. Even if Triple H is one of the biggest, he can't be Shawn Micheals.
Hunter is like Batista or Ultimate Warrior. They were close to the top guy level, but they were held back for a multitude of reasons.
Triple H will never be like Austin, Cena, Rock, Shawn, Hogan or CM Punk if Punk had stayed longer.
And I hate Hogan, but I can admit that he was THE guy.
I can't admit the same for Hunter.
@@SpiralPoliFemboy Pretty much lol The biggest gift HBK did for HHH was leaving from 98-02, bc if that didn't happen.... Hunter's rise to the top, wouldn't have been so astronomical.
@@SpiralPoliFemboy HHH is the Paul Pierce of wwe
Looks like Paul Levesque is learning his lessons well from Vince when it comes to rewriting history 😆
I wonder if Heyman and Lesnar would have ever returned in 2012 if not for Triple H though. Not sure but based on Heyman's interview with Jericho back in 2014, he implied that Triple H eased him into the deal with a very convincing pitch
How many times did he main event Wrestlemania? Come on, now. No chance he gets that much exposure had he not been boning the princess.
At least 7 of those title reigns he had wouldn’t exist.
John cena probably main evened about the same or even more wreslemanias then Triple H. Also Triple H had many wrestlemania losses
@@zlord1199 While true, Cena sold merch at a Steve Austin level. Triple H has never been the guy to move the needle like that.
And yeah, he definitely put guys over at Mania, but that means he was in the main event to do it. Think about the main event of Wrestlemania 19: Angle vs. Lesnar. Can you imagine how awful a match that would be if Hunter were in it?
@@SupermanHopkins HHH would have had an amazing match with either.
@@steveomac385 You never know with HHH at Wrestlemania. Half of his matches are classics, the other half are awful. There is no in between. lol
Triple H took a huge risk getting involved with Stephanie. If they had broken up he would have got buried or banned for life
That would have been a much more interesting character. The "I fucked the boss' daughter" heel would be the kind of heat that WWE needed in the mid 2000s.
Its only a risk if he is a d-bag.
Considering he is sober from day 1, not really a risk.
@@darnellpistachio2991 every good looking girl you ever fuck you plan on marrying her? WTF. If he's a D-bag? Maybe after a while he could have realized he didnt want to spend his life with her.
I really wish I could travel to the alternate universe where Titan Sports bought UFC & Shane is the president
WWE at one point was going to buy out PrideFC.
@@brandonselitetv1436 thank God that didn't happen
@@og3777 If the WWE bought Pride it would probably still be alive.
UFC was a horrible initial investment. Dana made it what it was and if it wasn’t for the casino backing it it would have folded and I don’t know if Vince would have had the patience to keep it running.
J. Will I would like to travel to an alternate universe where Vince listens to Shane instead of Stephanie and see how much better the WWE would be if that happened
"There comes a time when you must go"
Tell that to Kevin "Bucky Beaver" Dunn
Kevin Dunn worked under Vince, Sr. When Vince, Jr, took over, he bought back the employees’ shares in the company in exchange for guaranteed employment for life. That’s why Kevin Dunn is still there.
Sure thing "vajahammer"
@@jasperman515 I thought the story was that Kevin's dad saved most of the WWF's tape library from a fire?
Bucky Beaver 😂😂😂
Once triple H takes over Kevin Dunn is gone lol
if he'd never married Stephanie, he'd been the next Jake "The Snake" Roberts. balding, mulleted, mustachioed, doing the talking for some AEW pseudoheel. making a commercial for DDP yoga and in a twitter feud with Ole Anderson to get the fans' lagging attention.
HHH was never a junkie or alcoholic
@@keepcheatin alternate timeline, people.
So HHH is Hulk Hogan 🥁
So your wife effects your hair
@@realniga3012 your income affects your hair choices as you get older. and he did marry into money. where would Jake be if he'd stayed off drugs and married a millionairess? and where would his hair be?
TBH i think he woulda ended up in a similar position to Cody Rhodes. With his business mind and determination and opportunistic nature, he woulda found someone like Tony Khan and would be in a high position for some company that was damn near built on his ideas.
Jericho kind of took AEW from Cody Rhodes, and Cody seemed to do it willingly
@John Mateus ID think from the way i worded my statement and the likes, that many think Triple H has talent, but Yeah Cody also has talent. your not wrong. lol
Jim cornet is a wealth of knowledge and knows what most people forgot when it comes to wrestling
I think Hunter is a very good worker, has always had the look etc but HBK and Steph are responsible for 70% of what he is.
Triple H was basically a less charismatic Scott Hall.
From a company p.o.v. hhh was a stud. Doesnt drink, doesnt do drugs or pills, eats healthily.
From.a fan p.o.v. youre absolutely correct. No charisma, shitty rich boy angle, wasnt bad ass at all not even a little until d-x and lemmy...
@@darnellpistachio2991 But he was juicing
@@PascalH9191 yes he drinks juice, orange juice, apple juice, tomato juice and more
90%
Without Shawn ,without Steph,he would have still found someone to latch on to.
Hunter is nothing if not a man who makes his own luck.
He is inevitable.
@Thanos is Retired triple h is you
Triple h used to hang out with the guys who drew money during late attitude era..riding on the success waves of rock and austin
Triple H would have been irrelevant if not for marrying Stephanie. He was never as good as the top guys back then so he had to bury them politically. He is one of the most overrated wrestlers of all time.
You don't know that for sure
Exactly.
Curtis Simmons naw triple h was out before rock and stone cold it was many people over triple h until he started dating Stephanie
I thought he was grossly overestimating his importance to the wrestling business. Take Stephanie and Shawn Michaels out of the equation he'd really be nothing.
Triple H vs Cactus Jack was a classic him vs Kurt Angel was another classic
''Vice President Executive Assistant Grand Puba''
- Jim Cornette 2020.
I clicked as fast as possible when I saw the title 😂
HHH was always working with the TOP GUY
but never actually being the TOP GUY
Yes he was the top guy..... It's almost always the top face and the top heel. You need both and HHH was the top heel. There is almost never one top guy in wrestling. Only Hogan, Austin and Cena is arguably top guys with no heel opposition on their level. HHH was the top face when he returned from his knee injury and was the top heel most of his career. HHH was more over than the rock in there first big match on ppv at SummerSlam 98. The rock needed HHH to be on top and make things interesting just like how the batman story needs joker.
@realninjaent544 to say that the rock needs hhh is crazy and abit unrealistic. The rock would have been over anyway and like it was said people watched ppv for rock,austin,taker,kane not cuz of hhh. He was having squash matches with warrior and carrying bags before his relationship with Stephanie started
'realninjaent544 the rock didn't need to marry the boss's daughter to get ahead. checkmate.
HHH was a great heel. There's no reason why he couldn't have made the main event. As a bonus, he had the greatest theme song of all time-and always will.
I'm assuming you're referring to the Motorhead one but I think I'm the only person who prefers 'My Time'.
@@dddgtsd I prefer "My Time" as well.
@@ElmoKnowsWhereYouLive5150 me too my time underrated
@@ElmoKnowsWhereYouLive5150 oh crap, i remember that now. shit, that was better imo. motorhead isn't bad. he's a good heel sure, but the problem was, he was a heel that wanted to be a face . to me, tripes was the dark times of wrestling in the early 2000s but seeing what is now, idk anymore haha. i like roman but who is going to replace him or even on par with him? once a long time ago, i thought bray wyatt but then the whole corny shit horror fest made me go, look undertaker was able to escape with that because he came at a time when it was cool to be over the top and then he mod it during the attitude era. now, it feels out of place. but maybe, that's just me.
Steph on creative..... Let's do everything that Vince did but worst
🤣
By hiring 20+ sitcom writers
With no proper insight for the business. I just don’t see how that was a smart move.
Thats the problem, too much script and not enough freedom of expression for wrestlers. They should be able to keep their name and gimmick when switching wrestling federations.
Its her voice that turns me off of Steph... Sounds like screeching!
How to bake a Triple H cake:
1. Brawl outside the ring
2. high knee
3. interference
4. low blow
5. sledgehammer
6. pedigree
7. let cake become stale before consuming
I get so sick of hearing about how Triple H was 'punished' in 1996. He got a slap on the wrist and had to do jobs for a few months before being paired with Mr. Perfect and getting the Intercontinental title.
He has milked this 'in the dog-house' story for all it is.
He should feel grateful he wasn't outright fired after the MSG disgrace.
reelkena if you piss of Jim, he never lets it go, if HE pisses off someone he is shocked you haven’t let it go by your next bowel movement
Not only that, him and shawn michaels were making fun of the incident a year later on live TV saying "Oh no Vince is gonna bury me". It doesn't seem like he actually got in trouble at all aside for having to job for a few undercard guys.
I just love how we all already knew who "shit-stain" was without Cornette even having to explain.
One thing to remember, the push in Summer of 99 was going to Test (Andrew Martin). As Chyna herself said before she died, Triple H started cheating on her with Stephanie long before their relationship was public, because she found letters from Stephanie to him in his bag. The canceling of Test's push and endless Triple H push started AFTER he started secretly dating Stephanie, not before. It was ALL from Stephanie.
Triple H was already a main eventer at the time Test had angle with Steph.
You think that from a talent perspective, Triple H still would have progressed into Main Event status eventually. However, he would not become an Executive without the "Stephanie Rub".
Macho Man got the “Stephanie Rub” also, yet no management position
@Joe Greene He was main event before he even got with Stephanie. There's no disputing he'd still have become a main event guy.
However, he most certainly wouldn't have been as prominent throughout the years, nor would he have had as many title reigns if it weren't for his relationship with Stephanie.
Joe Greene he was already in the main event when him and Steph got together , so to say he was never “main event talent “ is ridiculous
@@davidstephan5116 True. But she was underaged. The only "rub" Macho would have gotten would have been from several "fans" in prison, daily, doing a hard 10. 😅
Can't remember who said it best he was the guy who worked with the top guy but was never the top guy
And in the words of the late great Mike Graham
He Never Drew a Dime !!!
Not a Dime !!!
“I’m not gonna comment on people’s relationships if I don’t know anything about them”
Jim is the last American alive with decent sense
Being from the same town as HHH can say his family is rather wealthy and have a few millions and own several business. I'd imagine he would've been fine.
@Odiuos Skull they own a small restaurant and a construction company and one was a fmr. police chief. I think he would've done just fine.
Yeah, uh huh.. Next you going to say Gillberg would have been one of the greatest Champions of All time..
@@kenrickeason I had a chance encounter with them once him and Stephanie. HHH is giant. Back in the day when he was w Chyna two or three relatives saw them and they'd tried to hide behind the grocery baskets you carry around the store but they were fucking huge. He heels it up when he's a heel. He drove a blacked out Cadillac w/ blacked out windows. He was almost bigger than the car. His arm was huge. Marks were following him. Snapping pictures on a disposable camera.
But it helped can't live off mummy and daddy for ever like the other Paul ..... Heyman
As J said " Triple H is the Kevin Federline of Professional Wrestling. "- Scott Steiner. If he was not married to steph, his ass would not be where it was now and he would have been long gone.
He probably would have worked out his contract and joined his buddies down in WCW after Hall and Nash arranged things and been a member of the NWO B Team.
Alex, let’s be honest... he only got that because he was in the HTM position at that point. The “what about him?” spot. Everyone else at that time had either been champion already or wasn’t ready yet. And h wasn’t even ready for it, he was just in the right place at the right time.
People give this guy way too much credit!
It's not quantum physics!
It's a no brainer!!!
And btw i am sure Steph had messed around with some of the men and that's why HHh had issues with some other stars.
Sleep with the boss' daughter and marry her? Your on easy street! Multiple world titles! Tons of entrance music variety, you can job wrestlers maybe even two at a time.
I think if it was not him it would have been another high profile name like Jeff Hardy or Billy Kidman or Taker, Test, Big Booty Daddy Pappa Pump or Macho Man ohhhhh yeahhhh dig it!!!?
Alex Balin - I can’t see that, man. vince already wanted to can him for not being able to truly get over by HIMSELF. Throughout his entire career he has ALWAYS needed some type of cast of characters around him.
Being a lifelong tag wrestler and knowing your role in the business is one thing. But this dude ALWAYS needed something or someone to keep him hot, and couldn’t sustain it himself. That’s not a “star”. He was a place holder.
@@SlimmArmstrong As Corney and several others have said about HHH, he was never the man, he always wrestles or was associated with The Man. Also if that never happened odds are Chyna would still be with us and most likely wrestling as her career would not have ended the way it did.
I think he would probably of done something similar to Cody or Jeff Jarret considering he has a big interest in the business side of things. Who knows if he would of been as successful or not.
Nxt failing , so I guess that answers your question
@@og3777 nxt is not too bad tho , i call ROH a real failing
@@rekkiesbub423 true
@@rekkiesbub423 still pretty bad tho
I dont think that would have happened, Cody and Jeff came from big money and had a lot of connections from their family. Jeff's dad was a big promoter and Cody's dad was of course Dusty.
People forgot that Triple H was already a main eventer before he was married to Steph. If Hunter never married Stephanie, he wouldn't be as successful as he is now, but he still would have had a really good career and he would probably be an agent backstage.
as Bret Hart said "if you saw one HHH match, you saw them all". all i gotta say
J Crash Damn....ice cold! 🥶
@J Crash Hart had every move in the book. No one executed better atomic drops or back breakers than Brett.
You sound like a HHH fanboy.
ric flair is famous for having the same match night in and night out. that's not really a knock. a lot of wrestlers do that because they wrestle 300 times a year.
@@theghostofthomasjenkins9643Yes, Flair had the same match but his promos were legendary, we came to hear him talk.
Will Jim cornette be able to watch the firefly funhouse match without getting a heart attack?
I say no
Nice way to hide brays limitations. I can see why they did it for taker but Bray Wyatt can literally do nothing in ring....a highspot for him is doing a bridge lol.
Brain heart attack.
sleazyfellow or maybe Cena is old and didn’t want to have an actual match
Bryan Alvarez couldn't, so Cornette doesn't stand a chance
I love listening to Jim Cornette talk on the business. I could listen to this all day.
Lets be fair here if Paul hadn’t married Stephanie he would’ve just been remembered as the guy who carried his best friends bags into the building if his best friend hadn’t had a severe back injury that nearly took him out indefinitely.
Not the guy that ended up in sack with the bosses daughter.
Jim said one time that he was a student of the game but he was with the guys (Austin, Rock) who were making the money.
He was no Rock, Austin or HBK.
Which leaves only one question, who's more over, Triple H's friends or Triple H's opponents?
Kyler Sinjin both 😂😜😂
If not for the reign of terror, what should be called Terra ryzing in my opinion, they would have never had to worry about competition.
Jobaer bhuiyan to be fair if Brock hadn’t left when he did Cena would’ve be carrying his bags into the building and Cena would’ve be a high mid carder at best.
Funny since he was WWE champion before he was even dating Stephanie, but keep being a mark
Finally I found a video on this topic where someone who's actually from that line of work that can tell you the truth cuz he definitely would not have been where he is now without her an Shawn Micheals
Mr. Cornette, so glad to find this channel. I have watched you since managing the awesome Midnight Express in Mid-South. Love your opinions, bro. A legend for sure.
"He would not be a fuckin multi multi multi multi MULTI billionaire, or millionaire..."
Lmfao - love it as Jim snickers while Brian is reading the question
If it hasn’t been said I have to applaud your artist who can make so many different, funny thumbnails so quickly with so many caricatures. 🖼
I think Triple H would have eventually become WWE champion but not nearly as quick he did. Him dating the bosses daughter definitely had a lot to do with it.
He won his first wwe championship before he was involved with Stephanie
@@jrad410 Lies he was dating steph then just not on camera
to be honest it was obvious summerslam 98 both HHH and The Rock had futures as champions
@@fc775 what are you talking about.... HHH was world champ and had classic matches and segments before dating Stephanie.
I know that people will find it hard to believe, but Triple H would probably have the same career in ring career. Triple H was already getting pushed before he dated Stephanie, Vince decided that was one of his guys. now developmental would be different, that is obvious by how people before him handled it.
Cuz he was kissing Shawn's ass who was the top guy who got him access to stuff (😂).
I heard a rumour how triple h was a loner that followed wrestlers around like a child on the playground.
HHH would have found a way regardless. Steph or no Steph, he would have still been the biggest heel from Attitude Era, he probably wouldn’t have the reign of terror during Ruthless Aggression but he would still be one of the top guys. But of course without marrying a Mcmahon, HHH probably would not have gotten the backstage role he enjoys now. But in ring wise, he would still have the same career, minus a few title reigns and big ppv wins.
@@sajidmahmud1601 yea this sounds right. Also Rock and Austin leaving would still leave a gaping hole and with two brands, HHH certainly woulda still been a top guy
LOTS of people got pushed before HHH started dating Stephanie, but none of them had the career he did after. Jericho, Big Show, Angle, Foley, Kane....the list of people who were in a similar spot to him prior is pretty big. And you can split hairs of "well so and so got fired, or had to retire", but that would have been the same case for Trips as well, without the relationship to fall back on.
@@Xcoming2 Good to know that you habe the mental capacity of a high schooler and just accept anything as a fact because and I quote "I heard a rumor".
I think he would have been someone like Kane, still knocking around and had a decent amount of success, but never the main event or face of the company but a dependable worker.
HHH used his position to book him self unmask Kane and ruin the character. Kane was awesome before he got unmasked.
@@mitchjames9350 Kane was my fav then , an unstoppable force.
I believe HHH would've been fired before Christian was.
no
not in any way, shape or form, they *never* believed in Christian but HHH won a world title before stephanie
@@viletoxxie before we knew about him and Stephanie. They were on the down low when he first had the belt
@@ACM-sp1gh whether that's true or not it doesnt matter, even before that when triple h was a midcarder he still got way better treatment than christian did as a singles competitor lmao, they (and I cant stress this enough) never gave a damn about christian. just for perspective they saw edge as a tag team only wrestler for a long time; imagine how they saw christian, who vince thought even less of. maybe he wouldnt have as much as he has now but triple h wouldve found his way. he's not stupid, he knew how to work vince like the rest of his kliq buddies
@@ACM-sp1gh everyone says that it began much after there angle so maybe in 2000 so yeah HHH won titles without steph
In all fairness, he first won the wwf title the night after Summerslam 99. He also had a major feud with Vince in late 99, so he would have still had some success regardless. Though I doubt his "reign of terror" would have been so extensive in the RA Era.
If HHH hadn't gotten involved with Stephanie I'm not so sure he would've mowed over the other talent and been able to drone for so long on promos as he did in the 00s either.
@Ze TheGame I was there. I saw HHH's debut as Terra Ryzin' through today.
Especially in the 00s HHH had a tendency to go WAY too long on his promos.
Jim's snort laugh at the start is golden
While it's something to ponder and debate, complaining about nepotism in pro wrestling is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500. There was never a time when it wasn't a "friends and family" business. Would Vince have gotten to where he is if not for his dad? Or Bret without Stu? Or the Von Erich's? The list is endless.
Family connections help but talent and drive is still needed. David Flair is not a household name in wrestling, for example.
Trips would never have been as big as he was when he was a active wrestler
Yes he absolutely would. Arguing otherwise is nonsense.
Ashley J Only because you say so.
@@AJ-xv7oh no, he wouldn't. He self booked most of his title reigns. Booked himself in several main events over more deserving talent. Vince let him get away creative garbage because he kissed the daughter's ass, before putting a ring on it. He was never special on the mic. Never had a 4.0+ star match where he wasn't carried. He was never the best at anything. The reality is Hunter would've been a midcard journeyman without Stephanie.
02-05 probably isn't 3/4 world champion Triple H, but i see him still wrestling until 2012 full time. then similar to other guys, he could do the part time schedule.
yo momma's toilet you’re an idiot. Triple H‘s first WWE heavyweight championship title run was in 1999 before he even did the kayfade Stephanie Triple H marriage storyline. He was already on the rise as a main event before the scripted marriage storyline with Stephanie and the real marriage of Stephanie McMahon. He definitely would’ve had a great career as he was already seen as a top main event player star. Would he have had less world titles potentially and less main events at wrestlemania potentially but to say that triple H would be a mid carder and not a main eventer when he was already been booked to be in the world champion prior to him marrying Stephanie is pure ignorance!
Hard as this is to believe, not much difference. With SCSA and the Rock out of the picture, he was the main guy, especially on Raw. It took a second for Cena to come into his own and HHH still had a little more pull than guys, like Benoit, Eddie, or JBL. He kept himself in good shape enough, not too many serious injuries.
Shane also wanted to have an online show. A sort of streaming service. Maybe have an app to watch it through.
Shane wanted the WWE network 10 years before Vince did.
He would have been shawn michaels toy boy.
never underestimate the value of Triple H's "preparation".
Still waiting for the Wrestlemania review
Jim better get the high blood pressure medication ready.
The Undertaker/ Styles review, im expecting an explosion.
Lol
I honestly think given HHH's love for the business side of wrestling and production, he would have hooked up with a millionaire and started his own promotion. He would have the star power to attract someone wanting to start a promotion to go into business with him just like Cody did.
“Vice President & Executive Grand Poobah”
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Where would anyone be without the people they met in life? Not a fan of Triple H but a lot of things would be different if we wouldn't have had certain relationships.
I just love how Cornette refers to Vince Russo!!!
To me, Jim Cornette is one of most honest people doing wrestling interviews.
HHH is a very smart man, he'd be on top of another business if he never climbed on top of Stephanie...
First guy to sleep his way to the top...
Let's face it...she is hot and as guys...we have to respect sleeping your way to the top. Sweet ass and a sweet gig.
@@tiderbean she WAS hot. Not nearly as much these days.
@@persistentlypathetic6820 She's no spring chicken . She is better looking than 85% of the women her age and thats insulting her and giving you the benefit of the doubt
Without marry Stephanie, all Indy flip flop wrestlers are jobbers.
@Midnight Horizon you really enjoy Hogan vs Andre WM3? Like for real?
Man, the dude's work ethic is why he's where he is. The man works hard as Hell, and always has. He had non of the Vices that most of his friends, and Peers had, and THAT had to be appreciated by Vince. The man busted his ass, and I'm a little sick of the bullshit narrative that surrounds this guy. We can all agree that his Marriage helps, but damn, stop acting as if he hasn't done anything to deserve his position.
People seem to forget he never drank or did drugs in his life, considering the time he broke in and the people he was able to keep as friends shows his dedication
@@DAKINS896 straight facts
I think he’d still be a world champion, he’s one of the greatest heels of all time. But he wouldn’t have that much title reigns though
Joe Greene ok you’re just hating, just get your emotions out of it. Not top 100??? Smh. 2000 WWF was centered around Rock and HHH
Please don't talk like that around here! We have to hate Triple H to be cool around here.
Triple H had more title runs within 3 years than the Rock did in his decade lmao. That speaks to just how much influence HHH had on Vince.
@goomba1982
If you haven't seen Bret Hart's shoots on HHH you really should. They are great lol
@@g-dub5272 Even before that he had the blood feud with Austin in 1999. Yeah, people hate big time to say Triple H wasn't a great heel. I absolutely despised him as a kid.
He worked hard though. And whether Jim and the comment section hate him or not. He still got huge cheers when he was a good guy- and he was one of the most effective heels. That’ really all that can be said.
Even if HHH was shot to the top riding atop the princess mare, he was still a very funny , hard working and determined guy especially during those DX promos.
I’m glad he married Stephanie because he’s done a great job with NXT.
I feel like NXT was really stumped by the fact that it was initially supposed to be a beginners thing. You know, rookies trained by pros. Who wants to watch rookies when you have pros who are the best in the world? It kind of put a bad stigma on NXT and people aren't as interested as they could be if it weren't for that initial purpose for NXT. But I do agree Hunter has taken care of it well.
That wrestlemania match against the warrior 🤣🤣🤣 and also the original gimmick(s) 🤣🤣🤣
Has HHH ever had a moment where he wasnt riding someone else's coattails? HBK, Chyna, Evolution, etc. Where was he in the mid 90s? Completely invisible. 2003 when he married Stephanie, he was in every single main event. Tuned out big time.
How was he riding someone else's coattails in Evolution? He was literally the main guy for most of that run.
He was in WCW being misused as Terra Ryhzyn or how ever you spell it in the early 90's
Still remember getting that Stone cold vhs and watching stone cold for the first time, thinking, damn, why are guys like triple H and undertaker losing to such a bum
He would be in a similar situation as Billy Gun basically and nothing wrong with that!
I don’t think so. Whatever one thinks about him as a wrestler, tough to deny his ability to schmooze with the right people behind the scenes. Whether it be carrying Shawn Michaels luggage or marry the bosses daughter. He knows how to further his career in the business.
Nope.
He would be like edge basically maybe little less popular
Hunter is a gold digger with a golden shovel. Debate settled.
@@tomvu1470 come on as much you like him do you honestly believe triple h would be the COO if he wasn't with Stephanie?
The Undertaker is a prime example of never being fired because of his dedication and loyalty towards WWE, I’m not saying that Triple H would have been where he is if he didn’t marry Steph but he would have still been a top star and a very influential figure backstage 🔥
This guy is so overrated, he would be single H😂
If you know anything about wrestling he’s not overrated
@@kamfisher1714 OK, he's middle rated...
Yaaass finally people who aren't blind 🤣triple h is the worst ever. Intercontinental at best should have never been near the main event
X X You never seen his matches in his prime and his matches the years after
Just Lloyd Yea you still don’t know anything about wrestling
He was in DX and they were quite popular. He still would've become a great heel, but probably not 14× champ and no reign of terror.
DX became a bigger deal after Shawn retired.
DX was dead in the water after Shawn left, which is why HHH tethered himself to the wildly popular Road Dogg and Billy Gunn.
@@MISTERPERFECT3806 I can't really say I blame him. Shawn was injured and it would've been a crying shame if DX died because of that. I still think that HHH was the last great member of that group
Don’t really understand why everyone seems to think Triple H wouldn’t have been a major player without Stephanie. After HBK left, he was already being groomed to be a top guy. Leader of DX, feuding with Nation of domination and beating the rock for the IC title. Then winning his first world title in ‘99. All the motions were in place before he even got with Steph. Sure, he probably wouldn’t have the spot he has now and he may have won less world titles, but he would’ve been a long time main eventer without her as well. You have to be blind or ignorant to deny that.
Leigh Smith thats what im saying, the only thing i really think he wouldnt have had without Steph is the coporate role and i think that may even be a stretch
But think about if Michaels never got seriously injured who knows how many titles he would have
Sammy The Shark yeah agreed that’s what I said in one of the comments above about 8 to 10 Michaels would definitely have more
The guy was stiff, had no mic skills and was a 1 on marketability... Wasn't a main event guy until everyone left or got hurt. He was the last guy left. He secured his position by marriage. Good for him. He the proceeds to bury any talent that came through the door unless they were already big outside of wrestling. Which stunted the growth of the company.
ryansaunders65 stiff? Name one guy triple h has ever injured? Wrestlers and referees have both said how safe a worker triple h is. As for mic skills, guy is one of the best. It’s clear you’re letting your bias and dislike for him cloud any fair judgement.
Love Jim Cornette & Bruce Prichards Shoots
Mr Rick yeah but Bruce won’t really shoot on HHH
I'm pretty sure Kevin Dunn is immune to being fired, too.
Fuck I love Cornette no filter and total honesty and he can back up his responses with evidence. He’s a rare guy
Is Vince a bottom boy ? He sure does like his Top Guys.
I bet you found out lol 🤣
Good Question. I Found Out About Wrestlers Having To Sleep With Vince McMahon To Become Superstars, In School. My High School Had 3 Coaches. One Of The Coaches Told His Gym Class, Which I Was In. He Said That Vince McMahon Is Bisexual. That Coach/PE Teacher Told Us That Shawn Michaels & The Undertaker Slept With Vince McMahon. Dominant Fat Wrestlers In Sports Entertainment History Weighed/Weigh 400-800 Pounds And Dominant Tall Skinny Fat/Nonfat/Nonbuilt/Nonmuscular Wrestlers Weighed 400-500 Pounds. Muscles Outweigh Fat. That's Why The Undertaker & Mick Foley Didn't Make It In WCW. Mick Foley Career Ended, With Him At 34 Years Old. He Wrestled Most Gimmick Matches, Where Weapons Were/Are Legal. That's The Only Way Small Fat/Skinny Fat/Nonfat/Nonbuilt/Nonmuscular Heavyweights Who Aren't That Big-Who Are Heavyweights In Cruiserweights Bodies Careers Can Last Longer, Is By Wrestling Most Gimmick Matches Or Wrestling In The Indies Most Of Their Careers. Mick Foley Wrestled In The Indies For 7 Years, Before Wrestling In WCW. He Wrestled In All 3 WCW, ECW & WWE For 9 Years. He Retired From Full-Time Wrestling In 2000. How Did The Undertaker Last So Long Without Getting Injured. The WWE Pushes Vanilla Midgets/Indy Vanilla Midgets & Small Fat/Skinny Fat/Nonfat/Nonbuilt/Nonmuscular Heavyweights Who Aren't That Big-Who Are Heavyweights In Cruiserweights Bodies. Why Didn't The Undertaker Retire Earlier, Wrestle In The Indies Longer Or Not Get Injured. I Said What Happened To/With Mick Foley. The Dudley Boyz Used Tables. D'Lo Brown Wrestled In The Indies Most Of His Career. Kevin Owens & Samoa Joe Were In The Indies Before WWE/NXT/TNA. Edge Got Injured & Miraculously Got Healed, Only Because Of The Indy Wrestling Era. Bray Wyatt After He Lost Weight, Was Supposed To Gain Muscles Fully, But He Didn't. He's Still Not Built/Muscular. If He Don't Gain Muscles Fully, The Rest Of His Career Will Be Short. How Did The Undertaker Survive/Last So Long? I Figured It Out. He Slept With Vince McMahon. He was So Good As A Top For Vince That The Undertaker Stayed In The Main Event & Vince Booked Him Safely. The Undertaker Didn't & Wouldn't Have Made It In WCW. The Same Is For Mick Foley Even More. Triple H Didn't Make It In WCW, Because He Wasn't That Big/Built/Muscular. He Didn't Become Fully Built/Muscular Until 1999. It's Funny That Stephanie McMahon Was Brought To The WWE Before/During Triple H's Rise To The Main Event. Imagine If WCW Won The Monday Night War & Triple H Went Back. I Can See Him Jobbing To Scott Steiner. He Would've Been Losing/Getting Beat/Jobbing To Hulk Hogan, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash(I Don't Want To Hear Anything About Da Kliq), Sid Vicious, Goldberg, Sting, Lex Luger & DDP. And When WCW Pushed Not Only Mike Awesome Some More And To The Top, Also The Natural Born Thrillers And The Thrillers & Mike Awesome Would've Gone Over Triple H. Mike Awesome & Sean O'Haire Would've Kicked HHH's A$$. Scotty Steiner Would Have Too. Booker T Might've Even Gone Over/Beaten HHH.
Especially Pat Patterson who, according to Jim Cornette, came and went at least 3 times .. LMFAO
Allen tell Mark he slept with Vince let me know if you are conscious after you lying fuck!
Check out Ultimate Warrior's confession here on TH-cam.
He would have retired by the late 2000s, possibly still occasionally popping up for nostalgia/as a part timer, and have a really successful gym/ training camp.
Nothing wrong with that, and more similar to a number of other former main event, sober wrestlers.
I never put together the idea that HHH would use sitting in production meetings to know who to “sabotage” down the line and boost himself. I guess it’s totally possible
Whoever married Stephanie would be in HHH's position. If that wasn't HHH, it would be another guy.
It wouldn't be Triple H, it'd be Double K Kevin Kelly
who else in that era would it have been though? she's that close to the business, she's likely falling in love with a wrestler Vince probably knew that. the wwf 2000 roster looks different, today the biggest problem with wrestlers is too much x box and being pale. back then they had drug addicts, alcoholics, guys that had all kinds of personal problems several of which are dead now.
I stopped watching wrestling when it turned into the HHH Show.
XXX show
Yep me too, I got on wwe network today to see if anything new was on like a documentary or something and its literally nothing but hhh shit, I about puked, so overrated
Same here
Same here, I stopped watching after Wrestlemania 2000
@@Benjatron-jw2rg I remember being pissed when HHH beat the rock....i hated HHH back then.going from stone cold to rock to him was weird
The reason Vince walks like he does is from HHH brown nosing.
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" Vince dint even know what UFC was "
dam thats brutal!
That’s not a diss he literally didn’t know
Why have I never heard Jim Cornette shoot before? This is glorious!