I think that would also foster brand loyalty - people would be less likely to go from Tesla to Rivian or Kia, for example, if they would lose their FSD package.
@@ricinro I agree. Once the novelty wears off, I wonder how much FSD will be worth. Most options can be charged for in the beginning and then simply become standard. Power windows used to cost extra, power steering, brakes, auto transmission, air conditioning. Now they are simply an expected part of the car.
The render of the rear of the "Juniper" MY looks great. The leaked pic appears to show a reflected rear light bar offering a much more attractive, difuse look. Hope this comes to fruition.🤞
Taking delivery of our Model Y next Monday. So glad that ours will have stalks! I’m really hoping that, after owning it for a while, we’ll begin to understand why owners apparently _actually like_ Tesla removing valuable features like radar and ultrasonic sensors, and tactile-feel controls like stalks, apparently just to save a few bucks. Radar and ultrasonic sensors work in the dark and fog, unlike a vision-based system, so that’s a basic loss of function. Even functionality aside, as with 19-22-inch wheels, I don’t see that any of this even _looks_ better. And don’t get me started on the yoke instead of a normal steering wheel: It’s an almost-entirely-disadvantageous solution to a complete non-problem. Seriously, please feel free to explain to me why this all is supposedly an improvement, other than for cost-reduction. The only possible benefit I’ve seen so far, specifically for cramming all controls and displays onto a complex, multilayered touchscreen interface, is that not having a binnacle in front of me may be a little less distracting. Still, yes, I agree that it’s the best EV, and best car for the money (at the current low price), so no regrets. That’s why we bought one! Plus, yes, from driving a PHEV since 2017, the concept of burning crap to go places grosses me out. Nevertheless, why do Tesla fans keep putting these functionality losses into the + column of their spreadsheets?
@@mr88cet 🤣 I suppose we put them in the + column because we've lived with them and realised they aren't the negative that some people assume they are who have never tried them. Enlightenment over ignorance I suppose. Seriously if you lived with the new gen model 3 for more than 3 or 4 weeks you wouldn't be as closed minded. You just need to try it rather than justifying why change is always bad.
@@UKDagnar, well, I asked why these are considered positive (and still bought the car), exactly because I’m not closed-minded, so thanks for responding. Alright then, I’ll see how it all works in real-world practice.
@@KsazDFW, cars aren’t smartphones: You operate a smartphone looking at the screen most of the time. You operate a car looking at the screen as rarely as possible.
Went for the M3 Highland instead. Amazing car, having alot of fun with it. But there are small flaws. I miss my turn signal stock. I got used to the buttons going straight fairly quickly, but as soon as I go backwards my brain cant translate which button I have to press, especially while turning the wheel. Glove compartment is also really small, even smaller than in the previous version. Weirdly enough it's also lacking in USB ports to connect game controllers (get a pair of switch pro controllers, bluetooth works well with these) aaaaand.... thats it. Everything else either met or surpassed my already high expectations.
@@LordDarkwater whilst the majority of the time the M3 will probably do me I’d like to try and road trip with my dogs and maybe camp in the car so I’m looking at MY
A refresh needs something more than a light bar. Maybe this will satisfy Tesla nerds but for the general public I doubt it will even be noticed. The refreshed M3 doesn't look any different than the old M3 to most people outside the Tesla in-crowd..
@@ksinkel-p1h ummmm you didn't pay attention to the rest of the video and all the others on YT. Theres the light bar, all the other M3 Highland features (design update, ventilated seats, more speakers for LR+, suspension and ride/sound dampening), front bumper camera.....possibly more
@@ksinkel-p1h to each their own. I want the cooled seats. Anyone in the back would appreciate the screen and better ride. I'm also in hopes they'll be releasing some new battery tech I've been reading about but I doubt it
@@432wheels These are all good evolutionary changes. But it doesn't expand the market for Tesla cars. For instance Tesla has no real usable 3 row model. They are very late with a smaller car. A hatch on the M3 would increase its utility immensely. My feeling is that after the MY, Tesla is taken its foot off the accelerator. Tweaking is good but new models are what will drive growth.
I own a '24 model y and have driven the highland model 3, but to be honest, there isnt that much of a change in my opinion, yes the lights are different, maybe cooler, and there are some lights in the interior (that no one uses). I find it pretty strange that the Tesla community goes wild on some lights while Audi is waaaaaaaay ahead and much further on these features, and design wise out of this world. But no-one really talks about it. Model Y is a hell of a great ride, let me be clear, wouldt go back anytime soon
Hopefully with this refresh they actually upgrade the battery in some way. No major upgrades to battery capacity, energy density, or charging performance in years is a bit disappointing.
@@dyeace yea they haven’t been on top of their battery game in a while. No meaningful upgrades to Panasonic or LG packs, 4680 ramping up slow and charging slow, and not delivering on either of their 500 mile promises (S Plaid + and Cybertruck) Some other companies have been doing better there. New Porsche batteries look amazing for example.
@@preeyakumari-i2q nah, they’ll be fine. The batteries are all fine. People over blow em. They get plenty of range. And bang for the buck is there. They good
I have one of the first Model Ys (VIN ~3600) and would consider upgrading now if the new version was released. I am particularly awaiting the ventilated seats as there are quite a bit of other updates since then. The longer it takes though the more likely I am to go or wait a little longer for something else (looking at you Rivian R2).
Looking at the leak of the back i have some speculative thoughts. The picture really does not seem to suggest the same tail lights as with the highland. I actually think they might try to remove the tail lights and leave just the light bar. This way you have 2 less parts of the car and the lightbar can do the same job assuming it uses rgba leds. This simplifies the construction significantly and eliminates the need for tail lights. The clear part below the lighbar might be reverse lights, as the lightbar might not be bright enough or they might be required by law. Either way i do exepct some suprises :)
Yea, the rendered image looks busy and very non-sleek with those new tail lights and the light bar. I think they will end up with something a little more minimalist like you suggested.
If it matters, there have been led r.g.b. strips for model 3 n y for years. 2021 i put one in about the same location as tesla did now. Fun lil diy project under $100. You can also pick from a few rear screen diy setups if that matters too. Personally im waiting till fsd is transferable before i buy another tesla product.
Tailosive pointed this out, the highland taillights do NOT line up with the light bar as they do in the renders you showed. Im thinking of an updated taillight design to help separate the MY from the 3.
It’s now basically August… Elon saying “not in 2024” can mean we see a Model Y as early as 5 months when January 2025 rolls around. The Y is now as common as a Camry and it’s a guarantee Tesla wants to make it exciting again as soon as possible. This time next year the new product will be definitely on the streets.
Would be cool if TESLA would offer the bi-directional charging and 120-240v ac power option for camping and power outage!! Same as offered for the cybertruck. Many owners have RV and power outages. This would be a really valuable option. I still wonder why Tesla does not offer it. The price would be easy compensated by a single power outage event that waste all my freezer foods!
I think it will be coming as a standard but maybe not in 2025. I wonder how much cost it adds to a vehicle. That's probably the main reason at this point.
The render is wrong though. If it had the same taillights as the M3, you'd be seeing the top of the light extend further. Yet we only see the bottom part in the image.
very very very interesting!! thanks for the numbers!! I had no idea it would take soooo little power at highway cruising speeds. ABSOLUTLEY, the low power hub motor in back is the way to go!! a point most don't realize is : when passing a slow moving truck on a two lane highway,, I've found the quicker you can get around them the better in terms of safety. the time it takes to go from 50 to say 80 is critical in these circumstances, in the original hub motor design , I've wondered if the rpm limited hub motor design if this would be a limiting factor? but with a 138mph top end I'd imagine this wouldn't be an issue. in my recently acquired TESLA model Y I was surprised at just how QUICKLY I could pass slow moving trucks in these circumstances,,,, even more so uphill,, having this extra acceleration in the upper speed range has made me feel CONSIDERABLY safer driving on highways ( which I do ALOT). for point of reference : the power to weight ratio of APTERA with the vitesco FWD is approx. the same as a AWD LR MODEL Y. MAYBE future APTERA variants can include a high power rear hub motor for those who want INSANE acceleration???
I think the “depreciation” is due to two factors. 1) a reversal of the supply:demand relationship. My model 3 had “depreciated” 0$ in 2 years because supply was short and demand was unmet. Now it has “depreciated” because supply outstrips demand and prices have been dropped. I can now go buy a much better model 3 for a lot less than I paid in 2020(also in 2020 dollars that were more valuable). 2) IRA is working. 7500 rebate for most ppl makes the car automatically worth 7500$ less when you drive off the lot. No one is going to give you full price for a 1 day old car when they can buy one and get the rebate. So I find it disingenuous to say “EVs are depreciating so fast…” when the truth is the market and regulatory conditions have drastically changed. The cars still have very high intrinsic value and at current prices are a “hodl” unless you just gotta have that new Tesla…
Hey there. My friend recommend your page - subscribed! Not sure if you have covered this yet - any insights to the 2025 X? I’m ready to purchase my first Tesla and know we will be in the new year soon and would like to have the latest. (Leaning towards X and open to Y). Thanks!
No refresh’s for 2024 but a new model for 2024 just different wording and it could come this year. If they wait until next year they will be letting competitors gain market share. I hope it comes soon as it will take two months from release to get to Australia.
Hi Ryan, I own a 2022 Y LR with 26K miles. I enjoy it but my Y does not have the comfort ride as I purchased is in Nov. 2021. Since you own a Y and new 3 I wondered how much better is the ride in your new 3 vs your Y. What is the sound DB difference in your new 3 vs Y. I wish I could make my current Y ride better and sound quieter. Are there any after market folks that can do this. Thanks and safe travels.
Just test drove a new 3 and 2024 Y. The 3 is 100% better in ride quality and overall quality. Then I took the 3 home for a 24h extended test drive. The 3 was so quiet and smooth compared to even the new Y… it made the Y seem like a bad car to buy. Clunky and stiff with loud wind noise on the freeway. It made me wait until the new Y comes out because I want a Y, but it’s nowhere near the quality of the new 3 .
Watch for Canada's imports. Our cars come from China and when the Model 3 was redesigned our imports shifted to getting American cars and that was the indicator that the Model 3 was changing production in China. Tesla didn't want to delivery new Model 3s to Canada before the US.
@@cjwilson54 thanks! Why do you think it is unlikely? In general it’s beneficial to every car. Too expensive? Constraints with supply for the high volumes of Model Y?
The ambient lighting being offered only in China, makes sense. Because the ev competition in China is significantly higher than in the U.S. BYD is definitely remaining competitive in China while Rivian and lucid remain unprofitable for the time being.
@tonymai1844 well no... I would not buy fsd if I think it would need to repurchase for every new vehicle. I also want to decide when to buy new... not when tesla has a promotion.
Where are the incentives in B.C. Canada, TESLA? No Provincial rebate in B.C. for ANY Model Y anymore ( i know this is not Tesla's fault). Only model 3 SR receives the provincial incentive of $4,000 for those making under $80,000/year. Interest rates are just above 6% for all models. A model 3LR receives only a $5000 federal incentive and its still about $65,000 after all taxes and incentives!
Design updates are fine, but what about functionality improvements?! When will Tesla fix: phantom braking; windshield wipers on a clean, dry windshield; connectivity issues between the app and the car?
50,000 miles in my 22 Y LR and I’m yet to experience any “phantom braking”, any issue with the wipers, and my app/phone always reliably connects with the car. No idea what you drive, but it doesn’t sound like a Y to me.
@@edwardhackett-jones8126I think it's more a question of where you drive than what. I have a M3 lr in Europe, bought FSD and have seen autopilot features and effectiveness gradually reduced over the years. The wipers turn on every time you drive under trees and the car often slows inexplicably in autopilot due to mapping inaccuracies and a lack of development. Frustrating
I'm probably in the minority but I really don't like light bars on the back of the car. I much preferred the 2 tail lights on the model 3 highland. Never like the strip of lights on the back of the car design.
I seem to remember some teardown videos showing the CT battery floor is about half full of cells. If true, why is Tesla even talking about this battery tumor they want to install in the bed?
The 'half filled' battery pack theory proved incorrect. There is only a small amount of extra space in the battery apparently needed to control pressure changes during operation. Maybe more range will be available when the improved 4680 cell is incorporated into production models
Tesla needs to have FSD with out expiration on the car, but then give 15 years to transfer to as many cars as possible. Then charge a renewal after 15 years. This way if you have purchased fsd you can use it on any other Tesla, like rentals, or if you purchase another car.
Here’s the thing forget about the refresh they need to come out with the new mod y in 2026 ! The competition is breathing down their neck ! Need a longer range battery along with it !
How’s Lucid performing as a company? There’s your answer. Anyone can manufacture almost any vehicle if profitability is not the aspiration. Losing money like that is not an option and never has been for Tesla. Such a range isn’t needed anyway. Given that most people only drive about 20 miles per day (yes I know it’s a little higher in the USA…), and that anyone doing a road trip will need a break themselves before the car needs charging, so it can be charging while they take their break, what’s the point of that extra range? As to the Cybertruck - it has sufficient range for the vast majority of use cases, and with the kinds of software updates they’ve made in the past they will improve charging speeds and possibly the range too. The battery pack is clearly not anticipated to be a widely used option - it will suit a narrow range of drivers. Future Cybertrucks may come with more range as a consequence of the 4680 cells progressing in terms of energy density.
I love my Model 3 but FSD is garbage. It slams on the breaks on the highway as it is confused if you are taking the off ramp or not. This despite the image on the screen shows it still on the hwy.
Rather than faffing around with silly colored lights and minimal styling changes, how about fixing some longstanding issues like unreadable light grey text on glaring white bacgrounds, impossible small text, moving stuff around the UI for no reason, finishing the voice commands?. Replacing beeps and boops with voice promps, and leaving warning messages on the screen until acknowledged? Not everyone has 21 year old eyes with 20/20 acuity and no macral degeneration. But no, silly unneeded games, making fart noises and vaporware which does nothing but raise anxiety about what stupid move the car willl next make is more important somehow. I love my three Teslas, but these are genuine annoyances.
I hope the lighting doesn’t stop mid door. It’s something I love about the new model 3. Having the ambient lighting feel like it’s fully circling around you is such a cool feeling. I want the M3P so bad but if they can make the MYP similar with a faster 0-60 than it is now it will be the perfect car for me.
Love that LightBar! Is Tesla still moving out of California or was that Fake News? That would possibly delay the Juniper. Glad I didn't buy a Cybertruck as that $16K add on battery defeats the trucks bed use as well as it should have come out with a 500 mile range! Sounds like you have to layout $115K for a truck that was slated for $79K plus less truck bed! Not a good look.
Can anyone tell me difference between enhanced autopilot and what comes standard on all Toyotas since 2019. My base rav4 detects vehicle in front at adjustable distance. Reads speed signs. Notifys if car in front slams on breaks. Will steer on a clearly marked road. Will slow down with traffic and speed back up keeping safe adjusted distance. Ie drive in traffic. If Toyota and presumably other car makers offer this. How much better is enhanced autopilot and why are they charging for it.
Not coming, not necessary. Tesla is about removal of needless parts and processes, they’re not going to add them. Even more so when the aim is to make the fleet autonomous within the near term horizon.
The full wraparound lnterior lighting was my favorite new feature m3, and was looking forward to that when i get my 1st tesla MY when the upgrades happen. Might seem trivial but its a big letdown for that full wrap lighting not to be integrated into the new MY.
Don't get yr hope up too high. Model y revamp will be at best similar to model 3 minor change. Musk just knows how to do electric car. Redesigning a new car is totally different beast. I am so sure new model Y will look just like a bigger new model 3. That's all he is capable of.
That's not really that great of a deal. Tesla's got a few issues they need to work through, so It'll be interesting to see if they bring back the 0.99% and reduce the price.
Ryan. I have seen Model Ys with the new Interior in Sydney. Not surprising becuase most of the Teslas sold in Australia came from China. It looks quite good and the stalks still there!
Tesla Models that should be available Model 3 Standard Range RWD Long Range RWD Long Range AWD Performance Model Y Standard Range RWD (5/7 seats) Long Range RWD (5/7 seats) Long Range AWD (5/7 seats) Performance Model S Long Range RWD Long Range AWD Plaid Model X Long Range RWD Long Range AWD Plaid Yes, this creates 17 variations out of just four trims and increases complexity and cost, but this is really what consumers want. Variety and choice. With the recent addition of Model 3, LR RWD, this opens up plenty of shorter routes for me where I don't need to charge on my journey, potentially shaving off as much as 30 mins off my time, and also it enables me to be able to skip out on V2 superchargers on some trips west, so I can charge significantly faster. I have a new Model 3, LR RWD on order and hoping to get it before our big end of summer road trip, as it is a car that actually has enough space for me, wife, two kids and a small dog, and actually enough storage space for all of our luggage.
I can’t buy a Tesla model Y or a model three until they support at a minimum vehicle to load and preferably vehicle to home and vehicle to grid as a standard feature. Which ever Company offers a car like this with those features for around $45,000 I’ll buy it.
I work at giga Texas and all I’m going to say is they have already began with the construction for the new production lines for the new model Y.
Appreciate for the info
there was also rumour about a month ago that Shanghai had also started retooling at least one line
Any updates on Model 2?
and a VAN?
The lack of stalks really blows
If FSD was linked to your Tesla account rather than the car I'm sure they would sell a lot more FSD packages. Would think it easy to do.
Once FSD is actually non supervised people will be perfectly willing to buy it again with every new car.
@@The-Rest-of-Us , if the price is right. We all have FSD on our shoulders for free- that is what FSD is competing against.
I think that would also foster brand loyalty - people would be less likely to go from Tesla to Rivian or Kia, for example, if they would lose their FSD package.
It sort off is every month they say it’s the last month you can transfer but it’s been that way for a while
@@ricinro I agree. Once the novelty wears off, I wonder how much FSD will be worth. Most options can be charged for in the beginning and then simply become standard. Power windows used to cost extra, power steering, brakes, auto transmission, air conditioning. Now they are simply an expected part of the car.
The render of the rear of the "Juniper" MY looks great. The leaked pic appears to show a reflected rear light bar offering a much more attractive, difuse look. Hope this comes to fruition.🤞
Taking delivery of our Model Y next Monday. So glad that ours will have stalks!
I’m really hoping that, after owning it for a while, we’ll begin to understand why owners apparently _actually like_ Tesla removing valuable features like radar and ultrasonic sensors, and tactile-feel controls like stalks, apparently just to save a few bucks. Radar and ultrasonic sensors work in the dark and fog, unlike a vision-based system, so that’s a basic loss of function.
Even functionality aside, as with 19-22-inch wheels, I don’t see that any of this even _looks_ better. And don’t get me started on the yoke instead of a normal steering wheel: It’s an almost-entirely-disadvantageous solution to a complete non-problem.
Seriously, please feel free to explain to me why this all is supposedly an improvement, other than for cost-reduction. The only possible benefit I’ve seen so far, specifically for cramming all controls and displays onto a complex, multilayered touchscreen interface, is that not having a binnacle in front of me may be a little less distracting.
Still, yes, I agree that it’s the best EV, and best car for the money (at the current low price), so no regrets. That’s why we bought one! Plus, yes, from driving a PHEV since 2017, the concept of burning crap to go places grosses me out. Nevertheless, why do Tesla fans keep putting these functionality losses into the + column of their spreadsheets?
@@mr88cet 🤣 I suppose we put them in the + column because we've lived with them and realised they aren't the negative that some people assume they are who have never tried them. Enlightenment over ignorance I suppose. Seriously if you lived with the new gen model 3 for more than 3 or 4 weeks you wouldn't be as closed minded. You just need to try it rather than justifying why change is always bad.
@@UKDagnar, well, I asked why these are considered positive (and still bought the car), exactly because I’m not closed-minded, so thanks for responding.
Alright then, I’ll see how it all works in real-world practice.
That’s what the blackberry loyalists said…
@@KsazDFW, cars aren’t smartphones: You operate a smartphone looking at the screen most of the time. You operate a car looking at the screen as rarely as possible.
This will be my first tesla.
Likely mine as well. I can’t wait for official details and full pics to be released.
Mine too
Went for the M3 Highland instead. Amazing car, having alot of fun with it.
But there are small flaws. I miss my turn signal stock. I got used to the buttons going straight fairly quickly, but as soon as I go backwards my brain cant translate which button I have to press, especially while turning the wheel.
Glove compartment is also really small, even smaller than in the previous version. Weirdly enough it's also lacking in USB ports to connect game controllers (get a pair of switch pro controllers, bluetooth works well with these) aaaaand.... thats it. Everything else either met or surpassed my already high expectations.
@@LordDarkwater whilst the majority of the time the M3 will probably do me I’d like to try and road trip with my dogs and maybe camp in the car so I’m looking at MY
@@432wheels sounds cool!
I work at the giga Austin and I’m not confirming this design but we are assembling the new model Y. 10/10
I'm waiting on this model... Hurry up already!
same. If they want to pick sales back up they need to retool lines and release asap
A refresh needs something more than a light bar. Maybe this will satisfy Tesla nerds but for the general public I doubt it will even be noticed. The refreshed M3 doesn't look any different than the old M3 to most people outside the Tesla in-crowd..
@@ksinkel-p1h ummmm you didn't pay attention to the rest of the video and all the others on YT. Theres the light bar, all the other M3 Highland features (design update, ventilated seats, more speakers for LR+, suspension and ride/sound dampening), front bumper camera.....possibly more
@@ksinkel-p1h to each their own. I want the cooled seats. Anyone in the back would appreciate the screen and better ride. I'm also in hopes they'll be releasing some new battery tech I've been reading about but I doubt it
@@432wheels These are all good evolutionary changes. But it doesn't expand the market for Tesla cars. For instance Tesla has no real usable 3 row model. They are very late with a smaller car. A hatch on the M3 would increase its utility immensely. My feeling is that after the MY, Tesla is taken its foot off the accelerator. Tweaking is good but new models are what will drive growth.
I own a '24 model y and have driven the highland model 3, but to be honest, there isnt that much of a change in my opinion, yes the lights are different, maybe cooler, and there are some lights in the interior (that no one uses). I find it pretty strange that the Tesla community goes wild on some lights while Audi is waaaaaaaay ahead and much further on these features, and design wise out of this world. But no-one really talks about it. Model Y is a hell of a great ride, let me be clear, wouldt go back anytime soon
If stalks make a car look outdated - then I’m all in for the outdated…
If you want outdated then buy a gas car!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can they please update the cell charging to have the entire surface so different cell phones can be charged! Also, illuminate the door handles.
Sales are slowing so perhaps the refresh is coming sooner.
Hopefully with this refresh they actually upgrade the battery in some way. No major upgrades to battery capacity, energy density, or charging performance in years is a bit disappointing.
Bahahaahaha. No. Tesla does not upgrade batteries except as it pertains to manufacturing costs and efficiencies
@@dyeace yea they haven’t been on top of their battery game in a while. No meaningful upgrades to Panasonic or LG packs, 4680 ramping up slow and charging slow, and not delivering on either of their 500 mile promises (S Plaid + and Cybertruck)
Some other companies have been doing better there. New Porsche batteries look amazing for example.
The battery tech is pretty much maxed out for now and will be for the next 5 years or so
@@Skeetskeet333 If they don’t upgrade battery before that they are doomed ?
@@preeyakumari-i2q nah, they’ll be fine. The batteries are all fine. People over blow em. They get plenty of range. And bang for the buck is there. They good
I have one of the first Model Ys (VIN ~3600) and would consider upgrading now if the new version was released. I am particularly awaiting the ventilated seats as there are quite a bit of other updates since then. The longer it takes though the more likely I am to go or wait a little longer for something else (looking at you Rivian R2).
Rivian…. Ew.
Looking at the leak of the back i have some speculative thoughts. The picture really does not seem to suggest the same tail lights as with the highland. I actually think they might try to remove the tail lights and leave just the light bar. This way you have 2 less parts of the car and the lightbar can do the same job assuming it uses rgba leds. This simplifies the construction significantly and eliminates the need for tail lights. The clear part below the lighbar might be reverse lights, as the lightbar might not be bright enough or they might be required by law. Either way i do exepct some suprises :)
Yea, the rendered image looks busy and very non-sleek with those new tail lights and the light bar. I think they will end up with something a little more minimalist like you suggested.
This man cannot wait to buy a newer model Y
I wouldn't buy the Model Y right now either with the new version a bout to drop
If it matters, there have been led r.g.b. strips for model 3 n y for years. 2021 i put one in about the same location as tesla did now.
Fun lil diy project under $100. You can also pick from a few rear screen diy setups if that matters too.
Personally im waiting till fsd is transferable before i buy another tesla product.
Yeah I’m sold, after seeing that I’m definitely gonna wait!!!🤭😁
25k for nearly out of warranty, 100k miles or 40k miles with frame damage. that's not a deal, go get yourself a new one. stop this promotion
Tailosive pointed this out, the highland taillights do NOT line up with the light bar as they do in the renders you showed. Im thinking of an updated taillight design to help separate the MY from the 3.
Yea, I thought the light bar was above the tail lights. The rendered image looks a little odd to me.
It’s now basically August… Elon saying “not in 2024” can mean we see a Model Y as early as 5 months when January 2025 rolls around. The Y is now as common as a Camry and it’s a guarantee Tesla wants to make it exciting again as soon as possible. This time next year the new product will be definitely on the streets.
Can't wait for the new juniper!
right there with ya. I cant wait!!!!!
Same here! Waiting to trade in my 2021 MY Long Range.
Would be cool if TESLA would offer the bi-directional charging and 120-240v ac power option for camping and power outage!! Same as offered for the cybertruck. Many owners have RV and power outages. This would be a really valuable option. I still wonder why Tesla does not offer it. The price would be easy compensated by a single power outage event that waste all my freezer foods!
I think it will be coming as a standard but maybe not in 2025. I wonder how much cost it adds to a vehicle. That's probably the main reason at this point.
Can’t wait it will continue to be the best selling car 😎
Good to know about depreciation. My car depreciated over $5k in just a month.
The render is wrong though. If it had the same taillights as the M3, you'd be seeing the top of the light extend further. Yet we only see the bottom part in the image.
very very very interesting!! thanks for the numbers!!
I had no idea it would take soooo little power at highway cruising speeds.
ABSOLUTLEY, the low power hub motor in back is the way to go!!
a point most don't realize is : when passing a slow moving truck on a two lane highway,, I've found the quicker you can get around them the better in terms of safety. the time it takes to go from 50 to say 80 is critical in these circumstances, in the original hub motor design , I've wondered if the rpm limited hub motor design if this would be a limiting factor? but with a 138mph top end I'd imagine this wouldn't be an issue. in my recently acquired TESLA model Y I was surprised at just how QUICKLY I could pass slow moving trucks in these circumstances,,,, even more so uphill,, having this extra acceleration in the upper speed range has made me feel CONSIDERABLY safer driving on highways ( which I do ALOT).
for point of reference : the power to weight ratio of APTERA with the vitesco FWD is approx. the same as a AWD LR MODEL Y.
MAYBE future APTERA variants can include a high power rear hub motor for those who want INSANE acceleration???
I think the “depreciation” is due to two factors. 1) a reversal of the supply:demand relationship. My model 3 had “depreciated” 0$ in 2 years because supply was short and demand was unmet. Now it has “depreciated” because supply outstrips demand and prices have been dropped. I can now go buy a much better model 3 for a lot less than I paid in 2020(also in 2020 dollars that were more valuable).
2) IRA is working. 7500 rebate for most ppl makes the car automatically worth 7500$ less when you drive off the lot. No one is going to give you full price for a 1 day old car when they can buy one and get the rebate.
So I find it disingenuous to say “EVs are depreciating so fast…” when the truth is the market and regulatory conditions have drastically changed. The cars still have very high intrinsic value and at current prices are a “hodl” unless you just gotta have that new Tesla…
Hey there. My friend recommend your page - subscribed! Not sure if you have covered this yet - any insights to the 2025 X? I’m ready to purchase my first Tesla and know we will be in the new year soon and would like to have the latest. (Leaning towards X and open to Y). Thanks!
How difficult do you think it would be to take all the Unbought model Y and just upgrade them into junipers to get sells going
I cannot wait for Model Y Juniper Performance with air suspension
😍
I’m one of those holding off until ordering a refresh Y is available. Not going to buy an old design with rapidly diminished value.
We need the FSD transfer in Europe to... strange they do not open it up !!
No refresh’s for 2024 but a new model for 2024 just different wording and it could come this year. If they wait until next year they will be letting competitors gain market share. I hope it comes soon as it will take two months from release to get to Australia.
Hi Ryan, I own a 2022 Y LR with 26K miles. I enjoy it but my Y does not have the comfort ride as I purchased is in Nov. 2021. Since you own a Y and new 3 I wondered how much better is the ride in your new 3 vs your Y. What is the sound DB difference in your new 3 vs Y. I wish I could make my current Y ride better and sound quieter. Are there any after market folks that can do this. Thanks and safe travels.
Just test drove a new 3 and 2024 Y.
The 3 is 100% better in ride quality and overall quality. Then I took the 3 home for a 24h extended test drive. The 3 was so quiet and smooth compared to even the new Y… it made the Y seem like a bad car to buy. Clunky and stiff with loud wind noise on the freeway.
It made me wait until the new Y comes out because I want a Y, but it’s nowhere near the quality of the new 3 .
@@JC-cf4rs Thanks for the info. Which version of the new 3 did you test drive?
These leaks have to piss the top brass at Tesla off a bit.
Watch for Canada's imports. Our cars come from China and when the Model 3 was redesigned our imports shifted to getting American cars and that was the indicator that the Model 3 was changing production in China. Tesla didn't want to delivery new Model 3s to Canada before the US.
I’ve never owned a Tesla, but if Juniper gets steer by wire and FSD becomes available in Europe, I will be tempted to change this very soon.
Steer by wire needs 48V and that's not likely coming to the Juniper Y.
@@cjwilson54 thanks! Why do you think it is unlikely? In general it’s beneficial to every car. Too expensive? Constraints with supply for the high volumes of Model Y?
Im waiting for the new model y😊
Is the spoiler optional?
You can get a new model Y for 21k?
How a lightbar retrofit make a car feel new.
The ambient lighting being offered only in China, makes sense. Because the ev competition in China is significantly higher than in the U.S. BYD is definitely remaining competitive in China while Rivian and lucid remain unprofitable for the time being.
Juniper is a vast improvement on what is an ugly car. M3 was always beautiful.
I would like to keep FSD to the account owner permanently... not when there is a contingency on a sale of new vehicle.
Yeah, so you can just sell the FSD later. Tesla just wants to monopoly selling FSD to customers
@tonymai1844 well no... I would not buy fsd if I think it would need to repurchase for every new vehicle. I also want to decide when to buy new... not when tesla has a promotion.
Love our Model Y after 6 months of ownership. Not in a hurry for the new model.
thank you Ryan
Don’t get why anyone would want a bolt when they can get a lightly used Y for less
Y is it taking so long ? Let's get the Juniper rolling in October !!!
Slated for 2025
Wow amazing 🎉
Where are the incentives in B.C. Canada, TESLA? No Provincial rebate in B.C. for ANY Model Y anymore ( i know this is not Tesla's fault). Only model 3 SR receives the provincial incentive of $4,000 for those making under $80,000/year. Interest rates are just above 6% for all models. A model 3LR receives only a $5000 federal incentive and its still about $65,000 after all taxes and incentives!
It now called the Osborn Model Y.
Tesla reduce Y turning circle to same as 3
i want this beauty in Giga Berlin!
I’ve been waiting to get a new model Y to replace my old one. I’m ready Elon and I’m sure 1000’s of us are waiting.
I'd buy a new Model Y Performance today if they offered the transfer of FUSC again.
Would love to see a retrofit light bar for the 2023 model 3 as well 🥲
So many links for great stuff, but any chance you can assemble a Canada list of accessories?
Design updates are fine, but what about functionality improvements?! When will Tesla fix: phantom braking; windshield wipers on a clean, dry windshield; connectivity issues between the app and the car?
50,000 miles in my 22 Y LR and I’m yet to experience any “phantom braking”, any issue with the wipers, and my app/phone always reliably connects with the car.
No idea what you drive, but it doesn’t sound like a Y to me.
@@edwardhackett-jones8126I think it's more a question of where you drive than what. I have a M3 lr in Europe, bought FSD and have seen autopilot features and effectiveness gradually reduced over the years. The wipers turn on every time you drive under trees and the car often slows inexplicably in autopilot due to mapping inaccuracies and a lack of development. Frustrating
Tesla only competes on price, not on features and quality. So no functionality improvements for you!
May be robotaxi or a whole new model and not juniper.. I think that’s more likely than this being so different in the rear than highland
I'm probably in the minority but I really don't like light bars on the back of the car. I much preferred the 2 tail lights on the model 3 highland. Never like the strip of lights on the back of the car design.
Why have they reduced my speed control from standard to chill and I can’t change it on my 2023 mod y standard ?
I hope they add 300 kw charging, HUD and an air suspension
I seem to remember some teardown videos showing the CT battery floor is about half full of cells. If true, why is Tesla even talking about this battery tumor they want to install in the bed?
The 'half filled' battery pack theory proved incorrect. There is only a small amount of extra space in the battery apparently needed to control pressure changes during operation. Maybe more range will be available when the improved 4680 cell is incorporated into production models
Man, I wish Chevy would allow retrofitting as well :(
Tesla needs to have FSD with out expiration on the car, but then give 15 years to transfer to as many cars as possible. Then charge a renewal after 15 years. This way if you have purchased fsd you can use it on any other Tesla, like rentals, or if you purchase another car.
Here’s the thing forget about the refresh they need to come out with the new mod y in 2026 ! The competition is breathing down their neck ! Need a longer range battery along with it !
High chance the lightbar will be used to signal other drivers if the car is on autopilot mode or manual. (as per upcoming regulations)
The battery expansion packs show this design was not ready for prime time.
How did Lucid get 500 miles range in a 4 dr saloon? With good design.
How’s Lucid performing as a company? There’s your answer.
Anyone can manufacture almost any vehicle if profitability is not the aspiration. Losing money like that is not an option and never has been for Tesla.
Such a range isn’t needed anyway. Given that most people only drive about 20 miles per day (yes I know it’s a little higher in the USA…), and that anyone doing a road trip will need a break themselves before the car needs charging, so it can be charging while they take their break, what’s the point of that extra range?
As to the Cybertruck - it has sufficient range for the vast majority of use cases, and with the kinds of software updates they’ve made in the past they will improve charging speeds and possibly the range too. The battery pack is clearly not anticipated to be a widely used option - it will suit a narrow range of drivers. Future Cybertrucks may come with more range as a consequence of the 4680 cells progressing in terms of energy density.
I love my Model 3 but FSD is garbage. It slams on the breaks on the highway as it is confused if you are taking the off ramp or not. This despite the image on the screen shows it still on the hwy.
Rather than faffing around with silly colored lights and minimal styling changes, how about fixing some longstanding issues like unreadable light grey text on glaring white bacgrounds, impossible small text, moving stuff around the UI for no reason, finishing the voice commands?. Replacing beeps and boops with voice promps, and leaving warning messages on the screen until acknowledged?
Not everyone has 21 year old eyes with 20/20 acuity and no macral degeneration.
But no, silly unneeded games, making fart noises and vaporware which does nothing but raise anxiety about what stupid move the car willl next make is more important somehow.
I love my three Teslas, but these are genuine annoyances.
Amen
4:09 did that guy just show his face 💀 someone’s boutta get fired and sued…
I am waiting for the new Model Y. I will throw my money down in Australia the day it comes out unless another brand tempts me first.
I hope the lighting doesn’t stop mid door. It’s something I love about the new model 3. Having the ambient lighting feel like it’s fully circling around you is such a cool feeling. I want the M3P so bad but if they can make the MYP similar with a faster 0-60 than it is now it will be the perfect car for me.
Wanted to buy a new Tesla but I’m $20k in the whole on my model 3 because of teslas price drops 😢
I’m waiting for the new Y
Looks like Zurg from buzz light year
Anyone else think it's just a light strip, not a light bar on the back?
Love that LightBar! Is Tesla still moving out of California or was that Fake News? That would possibly delay the Juniper. Glad I didn't buy a Cybertruck as that $16K add on battery defeats the trucks bed use as well as it should have come out with a 500 mile range! Sounds like you have to layout $115K for a truck that was slated for $79K plus less truck bed! Not a good look.
Why does China get the new stuff first???
I don't want 4680 battery, I prefere LFP
Lets goooooo!
Can anyone tell me difference between enhanced autopilot and what comes standard on all Toyotas since 2019. My base rav4 detects vehicle in front at adjustable distance. Reads speed signs. Notifys if car in front slams on breaks. Will steer on a clearly marked road. Will slow down with traffic and speed back up keeping safe adjusted distance. Ie drive in traffic.
If Toyota and presumably other car makers offer this. How much better is enhanced autopilot and why are they charging for it.
We done drive Toyotas, & don’t care too.
Standard (base?) Tesla autopilot does everything you mention. At least it does on my 2024 base model 3 SR, not sure about the other Teslas.
Tell me they putbin blendwd brake pedal
Pass. Looks worse. Got the highland model 3 instead.
its time for tesla to make 400+ miles range batteries.
🎉🎉🎉
That added battery is going to kill any CT payload it has. Payload is equally as important to what it can tow.
Am I the only one that doesn’t care about a interior light wrap around ugh
Yes
You're certainly not the only one. Can't see why anyone would want distracting interior lights while driving at night.
@@ksinkel-p1hthey’re not distracting at all, and you forget about them lol
It’s beautiful.
what about hud
Not coming, not necessary.
Tesla is about removal of needless parts and processes, they’re not going to add them.
Even more so when the aim is to make the fleet autonomous within the near term horizon.
@@edwardhackett-jones8126 needless or cheapness ?
Ryan, Elon said no refresh for america in 2024... thats how he stated it. So still can come in china and europe in 24
The full wraparound lnterior lighting was my favorite new feature m3, and was looking forward to that when i get my 1st tesla MY when the upgrades happen. Might seem trivial but its a big letdown for that full wrap lighting not to be integrated into the new MY.
Don't get yr hope up too high. Model y revamp will be at best similar to model 3 minor change. Musk just knows how to do electric car. Redesigning a new car is totally different beast. I am so sure new model Y will look just like a bigger new model 3. That's all he is capable of.
If only musk would stop being so weird.
He's an incredible genius, give him the latitude to be creative.
@@danfoley1429 hes wierd
asf tho lol
Sanity in modern society appears “weird”.
And insane. If Musk would stay out of politics and expressing his opinions on EVERYTHING, people would like him MUCH, MUCH more.
@@danfoley1429 There's no proof he's a genius so, let's stop saying that. Smart people can be crazy too, and Musk is.
That's not really that great of a deal. Tesla's got a few issues they need to work through, so It'll be interesting to see if they bring back the 0.99% and reduce the price.
Ryan. I have seen Model Ys with the new Interior in Sydney. Not surprising becuase most of the Teslas sold in Australia came from China. It looks quite good and the stalks still there!
Musk could come out with a small smart home, get it subsidize by congress and help many people but going to space is more important.
Tesla Models that should be available
Model 3
Standard Range RWD
Long Range RWD
Long Range AWD
Performance
Model Y
Standard Range RWD (5/7 seats)
Long Range RWD (5/7 seats)
Long Range AWD (5/7 seats)
Performance
Model S
Long Range RWD
Long Range AWD
Plaid
Model X
Long Range RWD
Long Range AWD
Plaid
Yes, this creates 17 variations out of just four trims and increases complexity and cost, but this is really what consumers want. Variety and choice. With the recent addition of Model 3, LR RWD, this opens up plenty of shorter routes for me where I don't need to charge on my journey, potentially shaving off as much as 30 mins off my time, and also it enables me to be able to skip out on V2 superchargers on some trips west, so I can charge significantly faster.
I have a new Model 3, LR RWD on order and hoping to get it before our big end of summer road trip, as it is a car that actually has enough space for me, wife, two kids and a small dog, and actually enough storage space for all of our luggage.
I can’t buy a Tesla model Y or a model three until they support at a minimum vehicle to load and preferably vehicle to home and vehicle to grid as a standard feature. Which ever Company offers a car like this with those features for around $45,000 I’ll buy it.
Huh ?
Second you mate😊
*light bar looks hidious*