What Really Causes Ulcers- The Fascinating Saga of Nobel Prize Winner Dr. Barry Marshall
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Now that you know what causes ulcers check out this video and find out What Causes Lactose Intolerance:
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Please do a similar video on the proponents of Ivermectin like Dr. Pierre Kory, Dr. Tess Lawrie.
My late father suffered from ulcers. In 1965 he underwent a course of antibiotics for an unrelated condition and he noted that his ulcer went into remission for several years, and remarked to many in the family that he thought the antibiotics did the trick.
sad part was that Lykoudis was using antibiotics in the 50s. Fucking moron doctors giving science a bad rep.
I wrote this above and you obviously need it more:
"medical community" is too broad when it is best described as
"scientists in the field of medicine".
How they act as though they were immature high school students indicates their self-importance, arrogance and the probability that the heads of
these groups are domineering sociopaths is quite great. The origins of
the phrase "Question authority" without much doubt comes from this sort
of dynamic in all life's endeavors. As one record industry mogul was
purported to have stated upon refusing to sign a group from Liverpool
was that "guitar groups are on their way out". The group in question
flaunted and taunted authority all the time.
So quickly many trash doctors as the evil in our world and how quickly you want one when you are sick and in pain...
Saddest part is that this attitude in the medical community is nothing new.
And hasn't changed in the interim
+Vercusgames - FYI, it aint just America, dude..
"medical community" is too broad when it is best described as "scientists in the field of medicine".
How they act as though they were immature high school students indicates their self-importance, arrogance and the probability that the heads of these groups are domineering sociopaths is quite great. The origins of the phrase "Question authority" without much doubt comes from this sort of dynamic in all life's endeavors. As one record industry mogul was purported to have stated upon refusing to sign a group from Liverpool was that "guitar groups are on their way out". The group in question flaunted and taunted authority all the time.
Not just the medical community, it's in other disciplines as well.
I think the words you are looking for are "the academic elite" and yes they do untold harm in their belief that they can never be wrong.
"Presumably, the inability to stop extending his middle finger" - funniest thing I've heard in a good while.
Great job on the mini documentary, loved it. And really appreciate the interweaving of humor, science & inspirational thoughts.
+Pi Ware Thanks!
I was living in a small town in Canada in mid 90s. I had been suffering from peptic ulcer for many years. Once I visited my FP. He told me about this guy and his method that had cured many of his patients. He asked me if I wanted to try. I immediately said yes. Thanks to these two brave drs. I am ulcer free since then ☺
Wow! Can you tell me the type of antibiotics your doctor gave you? I need to mention it to my doctor as testimony .
@@livingwordkaris6392 it's usually amoxicillin, they have to use antacids with it as well to 'de-acid' the stomach as the antibiotic don't work at its' normal ph
I sourced this material about 8 years ago when I had a really bad ulcer, and my doctor wouldn't treat me with anything other than 'need less stress' and acid reducers. 3 GP's and none would accept it. This guy had already won his Nobel Prize and yet, I couldn't get anyone to believe it. I suffered for 7 months until something unrelated got me put on antibiotics for 3 weeks and boom, no more ulcer.
I can't believe none of them would give you simple antibiotics. I scraped my arm and didn't even have an infection yet and the urgent care people gave me freaking clindamycin as a prophylactic.
One does not tell doctors what to do unless the doctor is a good pal...
You might have been able to sue. I know I sure as hell consider that malpractice. They were too proud and stubborn, clinging to outdated, ineffective beliefs when a proven answer has been found already and you had to suffer for months for it. ...that really pisses me off - a lot more than I thought it would. But now that I'm typing this I remember a whole summer I spent COVERED in poison ivy because my doctor claimed there was no such thing as shots for it, and instead gave me calamine lotion. Yeah - there's an "effective" treatment for ya. Fucking quacks; there's no excuse.
Fuck those Doctors. They are a disgrace to their profession.
Sadly due to patients turning up and demanding antibiotics for a whole range of things for decades antibiotic resistance has spread rapidly, this has lead to GPs being trained to push back against patient demand for them. You sound like an innocent bystander victim of this process.
When Greek doctor John Kykoudis pesented his findings that antibiotics eradicated ulcers in 1964, his evidence was largely ignored because it went against the current consensus. In fact, in 1968 when Lykoudis refused to stop treating (and curing) his patients stomach ulcers with antibiotics, he was find 4000 Drachma for his troubles and was largely regarded as a quack until Marshall went freshman on a glass of H Pylori.
Barry Marshall is awesome. He is now starting to research my incurable bladder condition Interstitial Cystitis. He believes that techniques that involve 21st century imaging and genomics to find hidden bacteria may cause my incurable bladder condition. This Doctor is truly making the world a better place.
he never got an ucler though!! “I didn’t actually develop an ulcer, but ...", Dr. Barry Marshall. www.nbcnews.com/id/9576387/ns/health-health_care/t/two-australians-win-nobel-prize-medicine/#.WMT09H9lKiz
lol, why are you going around in the fucking comments trying to push your bullshit? this fight is over, you loose, antibiotics cure ulcers, he was right, get over it.
"...I did prove that a healthy person could be infected by these bacteria, and that was an advance because the skeptics were saying that people with ulcers somehow had a weakened immune system and that the bacteria were infecting them after the event."
Lord Dash Donald Dappington how many times the strength of average bacteria found in his patients did he use? scientists routinely use 100x the average patient has. look at scientific papers and you would be amazed at the strengths used to get results. saccharine is one example. i am confident that you could find many other substances tested this way if you care to look.
ufewl he used a dead version of ulcer. If he had drunk active ulcers he would contract the bacteria and suffered its side affects.
The most amazing thing is that Dr Marshall - when given an opportunity to laud it over his previous detractors - actually said he was glad about the opposition he received. He said it was a sign of scientific rigour.
No one tells the British Medical Association what to do, particularly Aussie "quacks". That fact that this bacteria was discovered in the late 19th century should have been followed up by others. I have heard that much of the opposition was by the drug companies who wanted to keep re-prescribing Zantac endlessly, rather than a 2 week antibiotic course. This was the subject of a BBC Horizon programme which was excellent and shows how insular and closed minded many of the medical profession are.
As an Australian pharmacist I find this story fascinating and will often tell patients who are being treated for h. Pylori just how the heck teatime the came about!
Thank you for researching the history of ulcers and posting this video.
My stomach was in complete hell for 6 months without me knowing the reason. When I finally decided that it's something serious (yeah after 6 months) I went to see a doctor. He diagnosed me with poor digestion. He then prescribed some meds and asked me to do a few medical tests, the last one being the Urea Breath Test (after I mentioned the bug). Only then I was diagnosed with H. Pylori. Thankfully, I got my antibiotics for a week, felt better with time and I tested negative on the last test results. Bad experience.
How wonderful that Prof Barry Marshall persevered with his belief.
Very interesting story, i as a Greek person never heard before about Dr. John Lykoudis . I 've just read it and it's so saddening. And to also mention like so many people in the comments section : It's Helicobacter pylori (in Greek: ελικοβακτήριο του πυλωρού). It's a Greek word, like so many in medicine, so trust me.
Thoroughly interesting and quite informing, Well done! always quality content on this channel.
I mate this man, he was a great blessing to meet, what a intelligent dude.
I'd like to also point out from personally having h. Pylori that you don't always develop ulcers immediately, but may have gastritis instead, which is what I had in my case. They often times co-exist for sure, and I'm sure most people who have it may have both symptoms. However I just had gastritis, fortunately, but it's still alot of pain. I even thought it was stress related, until proven that it was h. Pylori. In any case, you have bad stomach pain, just go see the doctor immediately.
There a repetitive/awkward bit around 4:15 where 2 almost identical sentences say almost the same thing.
Educational, interesting, funny and simply coo! Well done guys!
This video is an excellent teaching point. I will be using it regularly. It teaches the dangers of consensus and group think. In this case, it caused medical malpractice needlessly foisted upon millions. Often, those most educated are those most susceptible to this consensus and group think malignancy. We continue to see this today, especially with alternative Covid treatments and climate science. Millions die needlessly when this malignancy takes root. In the medical and climate science world it has metastasized significantly.
That pot shot at the sensationalist publication was amazing!
I thought it was stress before watching this video.... now I understand why my doctor wanted to test me for bacteria in my stomach when I went to him with all the symptoms of ulcers......
Quite a good story. I did not know I had come so close as I was treated for an H. pylori infection some where around the year 2000.
Great job with the this one. This is a reminder to those that scientist although extremely helpful can be subject to irrationality. Man people especially my fellow Athiest seemed to have replaced religion with science and this is quite dangerous as you can see in this story. As Aristotle said we love our friends but, we must love the truth more. (Paraphrased)
I would like to point out that "The Star" newspaper shown at 9:00 is that of the Malaysian "The Star" daily .Unlike its UK counterpart (which is pure tabloid) the Malaysian version is a serious and well respected publication for its journalistic integrity.
Great work!
i know Barry Marshall his son and his grandson! I've been in there house, holiday house and farm! I'm from western australia same as him!
Believe me if you will but i know him because im best friends with his grandson.
I have a co-worker who has stomach ulcers. I mentioned to him years ago that bacteria were now known to cause it but he blew me off. I still wonder if he is getting appropriate treatment. I assume that all doctors now know about this and proceed accordingly.
I suffered from gastirotis 4 year . And after a course of several antibiotics for on and off a year i was able to eliminate it.this is the worst disease possible.
What is the medicine for this peptic ulcer ? Please tell.. please
THANK YOU HERO!!
I'll take his word for it. Anatomy was never my strongest subject.
You keep saying Heliobacter pylori...it is heliCobacter pylori (as in helix)
deavman sun stomach bacteria 😂
Nice Piece.
I had an ulcer once. I was cured reletivly quickly. It was terrible. I like this guy.
Dr. Friedberg went on to become one of the world's most distinguished cardiologists and author of a standard textbook of cardiovascular medicine.
I liked the many terms used for "Drink"
What kind of antibiotics? Does any kind of antibiotic cure? I want to know it because when my stomach is empty part of my oesophagus feels like its burning and i think its ulcer.
Medicine in places like the US is a business, I am sure a lot of the opposition was from gastric surgeons who could see a whole revenue stream disappearing if Marshall was right.
This guy is seriously a fucking hero. It's very sad that patients were continually told that their condition was psychosomatic.
_P.S. _*_The Star_*_ sucks._
Jesse Talbot I'm saying. As any reasonably intelligent person, it baffles me how people could continue to call bullshit on his findings in the face of so much evidence. And as someone who values critical thinking and objective evidence, it pisses me off even more that they called it "snake oil" - there are many people pushing true snake oil (bullshit treatments) under the banner of "alternative medicine," even to extremely sick and terminally ill patients, causing harm (even to people who aren't sick), and even death, while this guy had a mountain of evidence in his favor, was really improving people's quality of life, and even saving lives. Really is a fucking hero. What a great guy.
I would like to point out that "The Star" newspaper shown at 9:00 is that of the Malaysian "The Star" daily .Unlike its UK counterpart (which is pure tabloid) the Malaysian version is a serious and well respected publication for its journalistic integrity.
Ah, thanks for clarifying.
@@slipknotboy555 The worst thing about it too, is that they tried to prevent it from being tried by saying you 'can't TEST it on patients', as if its some kind of surgery or experimental drug, despite it JUST being antibiotics! As in, the same thingy every lazy doctor prescribes to EVERYONE (usually wrongfully) 'just to be safe' for the last 70~ years!.
I always wonder how you guys research this stuff so fast...
How is this bacteria introduced to the victim? Is this a case where everyone has it in their system but some develop an imbalance?
As a man who has suffered from kidney stones, I'd love to see a segment on Proteus mirabilis. It seems like the conditions of ulcers and kidney stones may have similar factors.
Helio bacteria exists in most all of us but some have more or an
inability by the body to control it. When one is cured of ulcers they
can return because of the bacteria.
My grandad and a colleague of mine have ulcers. I can only say they suffer AND they don't believe in results of this this research!
So, why am I on Nexium and have been so for more than a decade for both my acid reflux and ulcers instead of having taken these antibiotics for the ulcers?
Now I am curious. I had an ulcer for over a year that was documented in two different endoscopies. They took a biopsy on the second one and tested it but it was H. Pylori negative so they prescribed stomach acid inhibitors which helped. Was the ulcer initially caused by bacteria but couldn't heal due to excessive stomach acid? I feel like that doesn't make sense either.
JNF mine were bacteria negative also. prilosec and bland diet for a couple of weeks. still need prilosec to keep acid in check.
So what’s the cure?
that's a great story
Is it just me, or did the ulcer with the label on the opening background look like a lollipop?!😂
Minor correction: In the singular, it's bacterium. Otherwise very great channel!
Geoff Dearth They multiply by the second so...
Could the stress of thinking you have injested what you think are ulcer causing bacteria have caused the ulcers?
BOTH Warren and Marshall were awarded the Nobel prize.
wrongly he never got an ulcer “I didn’t actually develop an ulcer, but ...", Dr. Barry Marshall. www.nbcnews.com/id/9576387/ns/health-health_care/t/two-australians-win-nobel-prize-medicine/#.WMT09H9lKiz
so why does my 201 lecture note still have stress ?
So, you're saying the scientific consensus is not always correct?!
I have watched several of your videos where there are discrepancies between the transcript on the screen and what the narrator is saying.
Out of curiosity, which one is generally the correct quote?
Based on other comments on this video, I guess the transcript is more accurate.
Stress obviously doesn't help though. High stress levels won't necessarily cause many major health problems, but if you have any, they'll become exponentially worse, and gastric ulcers are no exception. It lowers your body's ability to fight and avoid diseases, so you will have a higher chance of getting an ulcer, but the same goes for pretty much any other condition.
simon says "always question everything..." therefore i questoin this axiom
Omg, you without a beard!!!
Hit the loop @ 4:20
I seriously just got a stress causes stomach ulsers speech at my college, what the heck?
Hope that it at least wasn't a medical college 😅
both theories are right. my ulcers were "non-bacterial" with other technical words. rx prilosec (2x o.t.c.) cured them. no antibiotics needed. wisdom of the ages and courage of the future will eventually conquer the largest of ills.
Yes but how do people become exposed to the bacteria in the first place?
weakened immune system due to stress
I love "boat-rockers."
Can you explain what causes mouth sores?
Think its due to your immune system
ef efw Is it because of a lack of iron or protein?
too much salt, too many carbonated/acidic drinks, and not enough water
Thanks for the information
You repeated your self on multiple occasions.
Wait, that first Star newspaper picture is the Malaysian Star newspaper...
Yeah, the Malaysian "The Star" is actually a well respected daily that took pride in its journalistic integrity.
I know it's nit picking, but it's Helicobacter pylori, not Heliobacter previously Campylobacter pylori
FUCKING LOVE this channel
Nice video, but the bacteria, Helicobacter pylori are pronounced "HeliKobakter pylori" (Check dictionary.cambridge.org)
4:28
Something doesn't quite match up. You win a prize if you can figure it out.
He said "inject", although the script says "infect".
What do I win?
Yndostrui What do you think you deserve?
Just before that we repeats the same statement twice most likely because the line just after that starts with regardless just like the statement he'd just finished which also started with with regardless just before that we repeats the same statement twice most likely because the line just after that starts with regardless just like the statement he'd just finished which also started with with regardless just a little bit of a mistake that doesn;t affect the video ;)
AmazingPablo you also made a few mistakes. Can anyone tell me what he did wrong? You'll receive a greater reward.
GHΔSTY GΔUZE I put we instead of he ;)
So Johny Sins really is a scientist..
sounds kind of like the history of circumcision - except no one has broken through the wall of tradition on circ yet, with a scientific study showing that it does no good for most people and that it does some bad for all
There is a few different subjects in the comments on this video probably as example where mainstream science fail. The sphinx which was attributed to the same pharaoh as the pyramid show sign of rain erosion (vertical wavy lines, similar to the shape of mountains in California desert) which could only be explained if the sphinx was carved from a rainy time period, when Egypt was almost like a tropical rain forest.
Another comment was about chiropractors which are recognized by some medical insurance.Those who got helped are careful to add that only one specific chiropractor helped them, the other are just dangerous brute, risking to create more damage. I reckon that bone can be misaligned, but the major effect is endorphine, internally generated anti-pain from the life threatening "treatment".
I would add to this list the shroud of turin. As soon as the carbon 14 test revealed the age, everybody forgot that it remain the oldest negative photograph in the world. Thanks science to help debunk all this Christians who believed that it represent a picture of the resurrection of an obscure Jew in Israel, but you still need to answer how that picture have been taken. And smile while doing it.
When is Gary Taubes getting his nobel prize for medicine?
I want to "like" this post at least 5x!
3:03 I think you meant 1893; NOT 1983. Dyslexia's A BITCH! I totally understand, I deal with it daily as well. I'm Nuckin' Futs!
But, but, but ... the Tums!! Think of the Tums. It's always Tums for the tummy.
Which is to say that there may also be financial motivations.
Ulcers are wounds in the stomach wall antibiotics can stop further ulcers from occurring but they cant repair an ulcer wound. These wounds will be irritated and flare up.Once again it amazes me how you can be so thorough and miss a single key factor. Stress, spicy food IRRITATES the ulcer duh and therefore if a ulcer patient avoids spicy food and stress the ulcer wont bother them as much and if they don't .
Mexicans all have ulcers then?
Ulcers are not wounds either. A wound is inflicted by an object or an insult. The irritation caused by helio bacteria resulting in ulcerations . From wikipeda: Gastric acid, gastric juice or stomach acid, is a digestive fluid, formed in the stomach and is composed of hydrochloric acid (HCl) .05-0.1 M (roughly 5,000-10,000 parts per million or 0.5-1%), potassium chloride (KCl) and sodium chloride (NaCl)
Spicy food versus hydrochloric acid ? Helio bacteria exists in most all of us but some have more or an inability by the body to control it. When one is cured of ulcers they can return because of the bacteria. Ulcer lesions can heal as that is what the body does when treated correctly but scar tissue will be evident.
So are you clear on this now doctor? Please do not diagnose anyone, advise them to seek professional help. Kill your own family if you wish then live with yourself.
cravinbob more Mexicans than you know have gastrointestinal problems(including ulcers). making a blanket statement like that does not further your argument.
Walkertongdee Wrong
@@michaelmartin750 That sounds like something youre pulling out of your butt and is also a blanket statement. His blanket statement is better because it's actually quite accurate and relevant. I don't know why I'm amazed that people like you exist, considering I live in the Bible Belt and am used to dealing with people who live their lives rooted in demonstrably false beliefs... But there is a slight difference in the highly personal and subjective experience of religion and spiritualism and clinging to a disproven paradigm about friggin' ulcers.
@@KuLaydMahn exactly how many ulcers have you had ? Any personal knowledge you'd like to share? I've had several bouts of multiple ulcers. Stomach producing too much acid. Stress is one cause of over production of acid. Spicy food will irritate an ulcer. What part did you think got wrong?
I know its a stupid question but can we get this bacteria from kissing or sexual contact?
hakim kashiamya no one know it
The National Enquirer published the picture of OJ's shoes.
that helped find him liable in the civil trial
I want to know what antibiotics did Dr. marshall ate to cute it??
Sudip Thapa Afaik there is no source that says which one he used, but in an interview with Discover magazine he referred to an elderly patient misdiagnosed with angina, who was prescribed Tetracycline, clearing up the ulcer in a couple of weeks.
Sudip Thapa Afaik there is no source that says which one he used, but in an interview with Discover magazine he referred to an elderly patient misdiagnosed with angina, who was prescribed Tetracycline, clearing up the ulcer in a couple of weeks.
he did't eat antibiotics
3:10---1893???
+Rebecca Chadburn Doh! Correct, the script does indeed say 1893. :-) This is a funny phenomenon both in speaking and writing, where invariably the authors here will mean 18XY and instead will type 19XY. It will be interesting to see in the next decade and beyond if writers who were born after 2000 have that same mental tick. :-)
Probably. I have trouble seeing numbers correctly and saying them correctly. It was just one of those times that bounced me out of the narrative because of its glaring difference.
I'm not sure what you mean by this sentence about transposed numbers? He said 1893 and he meant 1893.
Just fuckin' Google it and then inform us instead of asking. Or is that just how you get your jollies? Finding fault because you have so many?
3:07 You say 1983 when you mean 1893. 4.00-4.10 repeated statement.
So much for the correctness of even widely accepted consensus. It should not be allowed in any branch of science. Or more accurately: If there is a consensus, one should suspect it, very much.
It's not pronounced helio-bacter pylor-eye... it's heliCObactor pylor-EE.
Around 4:10 u repeated yourself Simon 😜
Poor friedburg, and sufferers of of ulcers.
😄
Are there female knights. If not what would they be called
The bees knees
Whole things reminds me of the story of Sister Kenny who discovered an effective treatment for Polio but was ignored by the medical community for decades simply because of her lack of formal education. And the way "doctor's" for centuries stuck with innaccuarte Greek and Roman treatises over the evidence of their own eyes.
This is not based on rigorous experiments to get the reproducible results: the essence of doing science. But based on prejudice and obsession rather than a hypothesis. The end result is this: H.pylorie not necessarily cause ulcers and gastritis. 60% people have it and they are doing fine! Rest in peace SCIENCE
Idiot. You completely ignored the part where he mentioned the growing mountain of evidence. Of course rigorous experiments were done, videos like this just hit the highlights. You also somehow missed the multiple indications that this fight took DECADES. Look... Don't talk about science if you're not going to bother trying to understand it even a little bit. Do you realize that your comment actually amounts to LESS than nothing? What were you thinking? That's right. You weren't.
well well well, we have another idiot here. watch: th-cam.com/video/yPLA69a5OOU/w-d-xo.html
then tell us he was just soldering some components together to form a computer or did he read books, used reasoning and sciense but dint had the meaningfull tools (other humans) to test but just a 555timer to create a clock signal?
AFTER he ingested these bacteria, he sure got more options to actualy test on humans. silly Ganesg Pathare, it would be unwise and unpolite to wish you anything less than wisdom and health
The same ridicule & resistance is happening now vs Ivermectin, but it's more intense because the gaslighting is backed by BigPharma & their high-tech PR firms using the most powerful gaslighting techniques money can buy.
The bees knees