From Catholicism, i went Born Again, then went atheist... When God knocked back, i went home to being Roman Catholic... And I don't ever want to leave again 😉❤️⛪
Dave, I know you're not the most religious guy, but the fact that you do shows like this means the world to us believers. You really put your money where your mouth is when you talk about bringing people together to discuss no matter their differences. This is the kind of content that people are starving for but the mainstream media will never provide. Your show is a bastion of sanity in a crazy world.
Amen to that, in one show we learn from two "experts" for lack of better word that I can think of, that are from different sides of the spectrum. Where Bishop Barron is, I watch, no matter who he is with.
@@JM-in4jn , yes, indeed! Where can we find more liberals like him to engage in meaningful conversations about anything? What have become of the America we so loved, in that sense?
Bishop Barron's intelligence and knowledge and fluency is nothing short of astonishing, IMHO. I'm not Catholic, but this is the sort of fellow they need as pope, I think.
Almost all the Popes of the last 75 years are just as intelligent and free wheeling as Bishop Barron. He just happens to be an American, so we relate to him more easily.
This is one of the best podcasts I've watched about religion. I'm a Catholic and like Bishop Barron a lot, however I really enjoyed Rabbi Wolpe's comments too. Great discussion.
@@readmore4178 Are you grading us, Matthew? If you are assigning yourself that authority perhaps you can start another church. There's already 30 thousand or so and I'm sure most of those were founded by people who were as sure of themselves as you.
Ed in Monrovia I’m judging Bishop Barron’s own words. I’m calling them out as heterodox. And thus those who adhere to his theology. Yes. I don’t need to start a church. Im defending the one that Christ started.
The rabbinical judaic god is not the same as God (Christian God). "Jews do not worship God, because they reject the Son who alone reveals the Father; that they have the Law and Prophets just makes their impiety worse. What's really bad is that Christians admire them, think of them as holy people with a special relationship to God, attend their festivals, regard their holy places as holy, etc. This is tantamount to sharing their rejection of Christ. No benefit, such as healing powers possessed by the Jews, is worth the blasphemy of endorsing the Jewish rejection of Christ"- St. John Chrysostom, Archbishop of Constantinople, Doctor of the Church.
right now we have to respect the foundation of Christian culture, which is Judaism. We are being threatened by Neo Marxists who have no love of either God at all.
@@GottmitunsAlex you don't know that much about church history do you? The God of Judaism is the same God of Christianity, in the purest sense, considering Christianity has completely absorbed the torah and the minor prophets into our own bible you could argue that Christianity is merely a/the logical extension or completion of Judaism. The main issue with Judaism was all the add-ons and obsession with tradition which blocked their ability to acknowledge the God the claimed to serve. Remember that the first Christians were Jews, and the loss of Jewish cultures in christian culture did not begin until the Jews were locked out of Jerusalem by the roman empire. Judaism is not Catholicism as the former is largely and disturbingly influenced by many pagan religions and (as with Judaism) suffered many unjustified add-ons, Just because two people fall into the same trap does not make them the same person
Could he be fast tracked to 'Pope right now? Mmnn actually probably not sure he'd want that when you consider Pope John Paul 2 shot and seriously wounded ,deep illness and now it come's out he was attacked and stabbed at one stage too.
This was a refreshing, intelligently informed on key questions. Thy God for blessing us with your amazing Teachers For us in this time of History. My prayer is for heart & minds to be OPEN to such thinking.
Since Jordan Peterson is busy researching religion for the next 2.5 years per the Patrick Coffin interview (ep 61)(35 minutes in), it would be better to wait until after his research and then have the interview.
@@medicorene How difficult is this to understand? How much "interpretation" do you need to do? It plainly says what it means: [Rom 3:9-10, 19-30 KJV] 9 What then? are we better [than they]? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: ... 19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29 [Is he] the God of the Jews only? [is he] not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 Seeing [it is] one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
@@medicorene How about just this much of it. Can you understand this? " Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:"
Dave you are slaying with your wide variety of guests and subjects. Absolutely killing it. You don't hear a lot of podcasts where Aldous Huxley is used as a punchline. Brilliant. PS: Although I am an Atheist I'd much rather hang out with religious people than with some of the militant atheist in this comment section. If you are an Atheist and you are not open-minded than ... what are you?
I feel the same about militant atheists. The kind of certainty they have bothers me just as much as extremely dogmatic religious people. Agnosticism is a much more rational stance to the notion of the existence of a creator or God. Reading through debates online between Christians and Atheists you begin to see how similar they really are in their closed-mindedness and inability to find some common ground on which to truly discuss religion or spirituality. They're arguing from the same stance essentially, just on opposite ends of the spectrum. Personally, I was an Atheist until I was forced to admit that the belief "there is no God" is just that, an unsubstantiated belief. An argument from ignorance is to assert that something is true because it has not yet been proven false or vice versa. That is the ground on which both ardent Atheists and dogmatic religious followers base their argument and it's a fallacy. "The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence."
@@sahamal_savu Well said. After years of studying Christianity followed by years of studying Atheism I came up with "God is that which is incomprehensible to man." So ... I can't comprehend God therefore I do not DENY the existence of God; I simply LACK theistic belief. Which, after all, is an important distinction.
I love the religious conversations, like most people my age ive grown up without religion. My focus has always been on science and it honestly feels refreshing to hear this stuff.
Respect for keeping an open and interested mind. You are the opposite of those commenters here who feel they have to piss on religion/faith before even thinking about it.
@Logic beats Speculation A better description would be that you are incapable of thought, because philosophy is beyond you, as it is beyond all empiricists.
Religion, for all it's faults, has been around a lot longer than science. It was religion that pulled us up out of the muck and sheltered and guided us as a species until we were "old enough" to think for ourselves. A lot of Atheists these days seem to have forgotten the phrase: "Respect your elders." Just because Grandpa is a little old-fashioned and says crazy shit sometimes, doesn't mean he wasn't building the goddamn house you live in when your father was just a twinkle in his eye. It was religion, organized religion at that, that created the foundations for human civilization. It was religion, not science, that gave early humans hope for the future and the courage to make the sacrifices necessary to advance the human race. It was even religion, not science, that cultivated the study of the world around us which led to the popularity of science which dominates our current age. When science was killing hundreds of thousands and calling it "medicine" (leeches on wounds to suck the poisoned blood out, really niggas?) religion was giving people hope and a reason to not just end their life of suffering en masse, as well as to work towards what would ultimately prove beneficial to all humanity. Religion is science's grandfather. Respect it, or prove just how much of an arrogant and narrow-minded zealot you are.
@@StarboyXL9 Well, and if one looks deeply, science and religion are not necessarily at odds, they're simply different domains of knowledge. Science is the how and what, religion is the why and what things mean. Mendel (father of modern genetics) and Lemaître (creator of the Big Bang theory) were both devoted Catholics (a monk and a priest respectively). Egocentric reason * might * be able to provide some kind of ethos of respect insofar as one reasons that 'the better all do, the better I will do ', and /or 'the more secure I am, the more secure all will be', however, I could see that reason could as equally arrive at the belief that 'The weaker others are, the stronger I will be', and ' the less secure others are, the less secure I will be".
As a Jew and a great admirer of Bishop Barron I'm so happy to listen to this discussion. It's wonderful to see this two men enjoying a serious conversation with one another.
Outstanding, Dave. And a huge thanks for both Bishop Robert Barron and Rabbi David Wolpe for taking time to have this conversation.And a particular Bravo for Robert for acknowledging that the Bible makes large metaphysical claims.
Dave, we absolutely NEED a Peterson and Barron interview. Properly long form as well, as good as an hour is it's not enough for a substantial conversation. This was brilliant, though you seem to have better discussions when just one on one with Bishop Barron.
Thanx bishop for speaking up about rampant child molestation problem in your church. So nice of you not to try and entice people into catholicism without trying to fix its flaws first. What a good moral person you are.
@@raifthemad the worst people in the world end up in churches. If you are a psychopath looking for people to take advantage of you go to a church because they are forgiving and easy to get help from. This doesn't make the people of the church who are taken advantage of bad anymore then someone who was mugged a bad person for not realizing their attackers would jump them.
@@VioletDeathRei That mugger example would work better if it was a charity organization for instance and some of their workers were mugging the people they were supposed to help and then society found out and the organization just hushed it up, and kept reposting the muggers to different branches, never punishing them or trying to reform them or warning their would be victims or trying to get rid of them just pretending that they don't exist, paying off their victims to shut up and even people that they were helping would turn a blind eye. Even worse the employees are actively trying to recruit more people to join their organization knowing what awaits some of the new converts. Now substiture mugging with child molestation and grooming for full effect. And that would make anyone who is aware of the problem and not doing anything about it complicit in their evil. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
@@raifthemad have you ever met a psychopath or sociopath before? It's a different level of manipulation not hard to pretend to be framed by people like you who just hate religion.
This is basically a poetic version of what Ben Shapiro said to Sam Harris when Sam did Ben's Sunday Special. It's an interesting point, pulled almost from Harris' own playbook of arguments from cultural propagation/evolution.
@@timv1.082 None taken. I'll admit that my sense of the truth of the concept is more intuitive, and based somewhat on the observation that many people who claim to be atheist, or to have feminism as their moral code, seem to be (at least on the surface) espousing a set of moral precepts that seem to be directly lifted from a Judeo Christian worldview. What do you find vapid about the 'Cut Flower ethics concept ?
Pax: Stupid concept. It presupposes that supernaturalism has the necessary "fertilizer" to keep the flower growing. Well, supernaturalism is manure, all right, but it produces no verifiable evidence upon which to base moral philosophy, Scientific naturalism does.
@@michaeloconnor6280 With all due respect, I don't see it. Within science all I see is matter and energy, and material cause and effect within an amoral universe bereft of meaning. What for instance is the Scientific Naturalism argument for not murdering or thieving ?
Beautiful conversation. It is not about convincing the other to change their mind in an argument. In the conflict it is being able to see each perspective is formed from a different culture & conditioning. More than one belief can exist. Buddhist understanding of the mind, understands this... the perspective (cognition) part of the mind that causes a lot of suffering if Wisdom gets caught at this level. Knowing one is not alone and that 'this' will also pass. Shalom
God and his existence is a philosophical question not a scientific one. I don't think God will every be proved scientifically, similar to how science can't prove what is ethical and unethical
@@readmore4178 Eh, I don't know about him being "a very poor example" but he's definitely not my favorite bishop either. He's an intelligent man, but I feel like he can play it too safe and diplomatically at times (just my own observations). If a friend were interested in joining the Catholic Church, I can think of several bishops, priests and cardinals I would recommend before Bishop Barron.
WWallace Barron helped me tremendously when reengaging our Blessed Catholic Faith. But I would agree entirely that he plays it far too safe and won’t tell it like it is such as bishops like Cardinal Burke, Arch is hop Chaput, Bishop Paprocki, or Cardinal Sarah.
WWallace Yes. He’s intelligent. And smooth. And charming. And he will be attractive to the secular world. Unfortunately, he’s also not faithful to Christ and leading people into confusion. Look at his recent discussion with Ben Shapiro. His “privileged path” thesis, that he presents to Shapiro, is dangerous nonsense. Anyone attempting to live as a faithful Catholic needs to stand up and resist Barron and his ilk.
As a Catholic, Dave Rubin is my favorite TH-cam interview host. Respectful dialog, intelligent questions and you always come away better for having spent time listening. His conversations are stellar examples of how you can agree to disagree and still be civil. A class act!
I am in awe that this diverse group of people are in the same room together... I’m a catholic and I so appreciate hearing people of faith in their own words. And I love that Dave Rubin is a big part in making this happen. Thanks, Dave!
Catholic Church is always misunderstood by many but in spite of its strict doctrine on morality it is the most gracious church out there as it does not condemn someone of not being a member of the Catholic Church and provides salvation outside the church unlike other religions/churches - "those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience -those too may achieve eternal salvation”
Well, the salvation is technically not "outside the Church", as it is always THROUGH CHRIST. (I mean, otherwise Buddhists would be reincarnated, Muslims would go to Islamic paradise etc., which would be quite absurd.) But what you quoted says that people who live outside the Church IN THIS LIFE may well be saved at their deaths.
The only two channels I'll pause my life for: Jordan B. Peterson and The Rubin Report. Edit: oh thanks for the likes. if you watched my latest JBP videos please let me know what you thought.
For a deeper dive look up .( No specific endorsements) look up nt wright and Paul van see klay on the religious end and mindscape , and anything with Brian Greene on the scientific end
I loved this discussion. I'll admit, I felt terribly uncomfortable when they briefly discussed the differences between judaism and christianity. It is an important discussion and exploration, sure. It must be had. The J-word is the major differentiator. BUT, how does that affect us on the day-to-day in our secular liberal democracy? From a pragmatic standpoint, it does not. Myself, as a Jew, fully appreciate the Christ figure and the spirituality inherent in the CHristian notion of having a piece of the divine in the individual. I believe Christianity spread across the world, as opposed to Judaism, because there is greater tangibility in its rituals. Ultimately, Judaism and Christianity are forever linked. Christians need the Jews for their first book just like Jews today need the Christians for defending the book and, in fact, defending the Jewishing people and the State of Israel. G-d bless us both.
[Rom 10:1-4, 8-10, 20-21 KJV] 1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. ... 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. ... 20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me. 21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
[Rom 9:1-8 KJV] 1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4 Who are Israelites; to whom [pertaineth] the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service [of God], and the promises; 5 Whose [are] the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ [came], who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
This helps make sense for me as someone who listens to both Thomas Tallis, Gregorian Chants & Anasheed (Islamic Chants). I can appreciate the artfulness and the beauty in the musical construction precisely because of security that comes from a grounding in the Good, the True and the Beautiful.
I would actually correct that statement to say, "You [think you] can enjoy other peoples' religious tradition, when you feel secure in your own." Because really, the indoctrinated person is reinterpreting another religious tradition through the lens of their own religious tradition. If an indoctrinated religious person were to _honestly_ understand the truth claims and worldview of a different religion, they would understand the problem of inconsistent revelation, and subsequently _not_ feel secure in their own beliefs. edit: basically, that feeling of security comes from the dogma held in the indoctrinated person's mind. They feel like they can say to the other man, "I know where you're right and where you're wrong." edit2: It feels good to feel right.
Fascinating and heartwarming. I love the Bishop but asa Christian I have a deep love of Judaism and I really felt I could relate to the Rabbi. Such a beautiful conversation and I agree that discussion and disagreement are healthy and not to be feared.
Love this. I actually rediscovered faith through Jordan's bit on the biblical stories. The good Bishop is apsolutly right when he says the dumbing down of religion was a bad move.
Totally agreed. Reaching for the lowest common denominator made a whole generation think there was nothing deep to the deepest book in human existence.
@@MatthewSchellenberg I went to Methodist Christmas eve service with a family member, they a rock band and it was the most milquetoast thing I'd ever experienced....it is no wonder the Christianity is in decline. The beauty and depth have been cut out... Thank God for Jordan Peterson.
andrew stahl Pick up a copy of the Catholic Catechism and just start reading. I think you will find that there is a treasure trove of wisdom and tradition in it. Episcopal, Methodist and so many other Protestant denominations are so incredibly diluted and relativistic. Most take their understanding of Catholicism from what they've been taught, often by non-Catholics (or worse yet, ANTI-Catholics) and they miss out on the Beauty, Goodness and Truth that lies there. If that doesn't seem practical then watch as many Bishop Barron TH-cams as possible!
Together, Bishop Barron and Rabbi Wolpe took many topics to the next level. Their elevated influence is so grounded and with it, pop culture cannot afford to dismiss their views. Bishop Barron's intellectual capital and charisma never cease to amaze me. His humble, generous, and respectful style speaks for itself AND everything he says makes perfect sense.
I greatly appreciated this candid dialogue between these three gentlemen. Bishop Barron beautifully (and intelligently) explained ‘theosis’’ as “participation in the Divine Life of God” - the heart of Christian soteriology. I was hoping for the rabbi to interact with this doctrine more seriously and not dismiss it simplistically as “false”. Perhaps he is not familiar with it enough to comment on it more forthrightly. At any rate, this was a great example of how to have a “religious argument/dialogue”. Kudos to all three participants.
I think we just saw the spirit of Christmas, right there. A little slice of Peace on Earth and Goodwill Towards Men. Great job bringing such incredible guests into discussion with one another, Dave!
Dave, thank you for bring a Bishop and Rabbi together . I am watching this on Easter Sunday. It is good to see these to great men talking about Christian and Judaism relations and respectful views.
Four years ago it was revealed to me that my emotions and feelings where fueled by my intellect, so out went the TV and print media. I created a space in my life for content like this and the impact has been hugely transformative. All three gentlemen here showed great courage and may God Bless each of them. Nar laga Dhia thu.
Dave, thank you so much for having Bishop Robert Barron on your show and for having these types of discussions. I am extatic to see the Bishop in the circle with you and Ben Shapiro. I'm Catholic myself and feel so good about the Bishop really going out into the world sharing the good news and not staying in the walls of the church. Plus, I've become a big fan of yours of late because of your openness to good solid discussion and debate, and not having people on your show that are only of the same mind and opinion. You show through your actions your strong belief in freedom of speech, as well as the importance of good discussion and trading of ideas. Your doing something really good with your show and I applaud you and encourage you to keep it up! Also, I'd like to request that you have Bishop Robert Barron and Jordan Peterson on your show together. This would make, not just my day, but my month to see that discussion take place. I'm a huge fan of Jordan as well, and to hear a discussion between you three would be awesome!!! Thanks so much, and God bless!
Thanks Dave for hosting Bishop Barron and Rabbi Wolpe for this great discussion. I am a Catholic and it brings me joy to hear the three of you speaking about your views on religion and your disagreements with such intelligence, respect, and dignity. God bless you all!
As a gay guy i really have to say that i appreciate what dave rubin does. He sets such a good example for gay guys, and he really breaks the stereotypes of those crazy far-left religion-bashing gay dudes we often see in the media.
I think the reason Christians like me respect Dave so much is that he doesn’t seem to worship his identity as a gay man. I think Jesus taught Christians to stay out of others peoples sins and focus on our own. Don’t get me wrong I believe that we shouldn’t as a society be pushing the normalization of the gay lifestyle but we also shouldn’t be hating people that haven’t found God to be the number one thing they worship as most of us haven’t either.
Fr. Barron God Bless you for the work you are doing, as a young person eager to find meaning I think your discourse is very comforting. This is why I need the church because I can't interpret the scriptures on my own.
This was terrific. I didn’t expect to watch the whole show this morning, but was increasingly drawn in as it progressed. I think this really kicked off my Christmas season - especially the last 20 minutes or so. Thank you Dave, Robert, and David. God bless each of you.
Bishop Barron surpasses in his ability to engage and bypass uncharitable or obtuse comments and bring a conversation to a higher educational level. Thank you for your preparation and years dedicated to intellectual engagement.
Two well-adjusted spiritual men. They fear not the differences because they are emotionally, psychologically AND spiritually FULL. A perfect example-demonstrated-on how we should conduct our lives. THANK YOU. I desire to see more of this from Dave Rubin.
The most powerful part of this conversation to me, was the point at which Dave suggested that he "was not a religious person," but is approaching some point where he would characterize himself as becoming one. I would say how truly remarkable that is, and I absolutely can relate. Personally, it was Jordan Peterson who lit that spark in me early last year, and I've come to discover my Catholic faith as a result of his, Dave's, and ESPECIALLY Bishop Barron's thought provoking speech. I'll continue to follow every one of these guys in hopes that more people can come to desire truth, faith, and reason as a result of their conversations.
I'm a practicing Catholic and a fan of Bishop Barron. I live in an almost exclusively Jewish community in Miami. Man, did I feel at home with your guests, David. Great conversation! Jews and Christians are family, whether we like it or not. Dialogues like this one that you promoted are extremely healthy for both sides of the clan. Thanks for bringing it to us!
Beautiful to see how much Jews and Catholics have in common. The Jews are 'our older brothers ' as Pope John Paul II said. Great moderation too. So balanced and respectful.
Mr Rubin, your openness to all intelligent and respectful points of view makes your show a must-see-and-listen whenever time will allow. The fact that-- even from your atheism (agnosticism, perhaps?) --- you find room in your easy chairs for clergy is a testament to your intellectual curiosity and authenticity. Thnak you for consistently great conversation! I wish I had a gift for you! Merry Christmas!
Great to see the respectful conversations and interviews being done in a time when it is so sorely needed in our society. Bravo Bishop Barron and Rabbi Wolpe!
One of the greatest tools of growth in wisdom is asking the question and appreciation of the answer even if you don't agree with it. It expresses a genuine humility and strength under control.
Lydia Malone - Christianity and Judaism are opposites. Christianity is universal - "everyone welcome" - while Judaism is tribalistic - "only those born to a Jewish mother are welcome". Christianity is celestial - "heavenly Jerusalem for every soul" - while Judaism is earthly - "this brick and mortar Jerusalem for this flesh and bones tribe". Christianity is grace - "turn the other cheek, love thy enemy" - while Judaism is vengeful - "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth". Etc., etc., etc.
Even though I know Jews don't believe our Christ Jesus to be God, I was shocked when the rabbi said it was false when the bishop was talking about Him. Despite that I found your discussion to be very balanced, inspiring, intelligent and most importantly informative. God bless you all
Shows you the modern power dynamics. The bishop cannot under any circumstances point out the failing of Judaism because we would be label anti-semitic and then tarred and feathered.
Ted; Dave, you asked whether or not this bedrock of wisdom can be brought forth with fertile soil. My take is that this is occurring right now. A video like this could never have taken place just a few years ago. You have two brilliant theologians discussing the deepest things in life. They come from different traditions and yet share their wisdom freely with us laymen. Dave, don’t forget your part in this. You are one of the finest interviewers on this “planet”. Thank you for your honesty and time. Ted
Dave Rubin, you rock!!! I think your own personal journey for meaning is guiding your choice of guests and that is a wonderfully organic thing. To see that it is coming out of you personally and not just programming savvy is cool. When something rings authentic and true, people will tune in. You three modeled civil discourse along “Religion Avenue” where previously on this street many bitter fights were fought. That modeling is one of the most important things that you and other IDWers are doing in my mind. Having said that, would you consider having Ravi Zacharius on your program? Pick an appropriate Athiest to sit in the other chair. He is a brilliant philosophical thinker with a beautiful mind. Thanks for considering, Dave!
Dave, this was amazing. I saw you and Jordan in Long Beach not too long ago and ever since then the quality of your stuff has gotten even more amazing. The conversation with Peterson and Shapiro was amazing, your interview with Imam Tawhidi was one of your best ones, and now this interesting and in depth conversation. Once you and Peterson get the new fundraising site that is not Patreon, I will gladly support your show. God bless you Dave Rubin!
Thanks Dave Rubin for providing us with these discussions. They're what many people are actually thirsting to hear: discussions about the questions that matter. God bless you Dave!
Well, Bishop Barron and WLC did a great conversation at Claremont McKenna College here: th-cam.com/video/C8aHQbNASXk/w-d-xo.html Speaking for myself, I am not particularly impressed with Jordan Peterson, he seems AAA minor league, but not quite major league caliber like WLC and Barron. And by the way, I don't agree with either on too much but recognize their command of their respecitve fields and rhetorical prowess. Much respect for both, despite my differences with them.
Fascinating dialogue. Gets a little tense at 21:18 when Dave asks about the difference between Judaism and Christianity. Bishop Barron answers: God becoming man in Jesus Christ; and Rabbi Wolpe responds: which is false. So which is it? Enter Aristotle's first principle of non-contradiction: opposite assertions cannot be true at the same time. Either one is true or both are false, but they cannot both be true. Therefore, the argument comes down to Jesus' identity.. legend, lunatic, liar... or Lord.
I think Bishop Barron at that point ran away from the debate...he allowed Wolpe to ‘rubbish’ Christianity’s key claim with no come back, only saying he likes religious arguments. Not impressed by that.
@@GrOglo I appreciate Bishop Barron holding back the obvious retort to Rabbi Wolpe concerning the Divinity of Jesus and the nature of the Trinity. It kept the conversation going because if Barron had pointed out the laughable strawman Wolpe set up and then blew down, it would have humiliated the rabbi. It was a very kind and long range bit of thinking on Barron's part.
Here's what worked: there are 3 men with different beliefs but the first thing they did is to commit to having a conversation that's respectful of their humanity. The result is a rich, meaningful, informative discussion on faith that brought forth empathy, understanding and respect for all.
God bless you all! I love Bishop Robert Barron and wish more Christians could be as intelligent and compassionate as he is. I really enjoyed this discussion and am always interested in hearing the Jewish perspective. It's good to see and acknowledge the many similarities in our respective faiths. God bless Israel!
Thank you for making this excellent interaction possible. There isn't much more important than the discussion and sharing of differences in a civilised manner.
I'm a fan of Bishop Barron and I was so excited to see him featured on Ben Shapiro's Sunday Special and today on The Rubin Report again! Thank you Dave for having one of the Roman Catholic Church's best contemporary theologians on your show. Dave Rubin is clearly the worlds best interviewer and host.
Great talk! It does not surprise me to see that people crave truth and seek it out through religion. Religion in the media may be seen as a negative thing, and it seems that Judeo-Christian religions are especially disliked by popular media. However, people know instinctively that human beings cannot produce perfect truth, justice, or love. They know this just by being human. Seeking out this idea seems to be a tireless venture and one that human beings never fail to pursue (even if we fail miserably in the process). The human spirit is always hungry for perfect love, justice and truth - the kind that only God can provide. Not drugs, sex, money, power. Just God. This world is filled with false advertising on what can truly make a person fulfilled, and so therein lies mans biggest hurdle. Devotion to God and only God. I believe it was St. Thomas Aquinas who constructed this concept although I could be wrong. Really enjoyed this talk! I love a multi perspective discussion between mature adults well versed in the topic at hand. Wish there was more of this in the media!
Although I'm muslim, couldn't agree more with what you've wonderfully described about what's really important or as Father Barron puts it 'longing of the heart' for us as human beings especially in this day and age. You won't find a lot of this in the media sadly, simply because this is considered boring and in some cases even outdated but still when there's a will God makes the way and it's always amazing. May God bless your heart and make things better for everyone.
@@kennethparsad Antiochene and Coptic are the rites used..northern Africa was once Roman.. yes changes came after with the african customs..I love the African church..but in western Europe we need the old formula of the latin rite ..the experiment of vatican 2 has failed us..
What a joy and refresher! To hear good minds and hopeful hearts respectfully dialoguing about topics which are not usually easy to discuss. There is so much anger, entitlement, and lack of moral compass in our world today, that I rarely want to tune into these things. So, I'm glad I did.
A note to the Rabbi. He has us Catholics wrong. We aren't automatically forgiven by Christ's atonement if we don't have true repentance. He applies His merit to us and tells us we must make right with a brother we've offended for God's forgiveness...which sounds very much like you describe Jews must do. Christ tells us in Mat 5:22 "But I say to you, whoever is angry* with his brother will be liable to judgment, and whoever says to his brother, ‘Raqa,’ will be answerable to the Sanhedrin, and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ will be liable to fiery Gehenna. 23 Therefore, if you bring your gift to the altar, and there recall that your brother has anything against you, 24 leave your gift there at the altar, go first and be reconciled with your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Settle with your opponent quickly while on the way to court with him. Otherwise, your opponent will hand you over to the judge, and the judge will hand you over to the guard, and you will be thrown into prison. 26 Amen, I say to you, you will not be released until you have paid the last penny." In other words, if someone has something against us legitimately we must make right with them or we're judged. The priest in your example may have meant the Nazi didn't have the chance to cry out for forgiveness to those he had wronged. He could possibly still be forgiven because God would know his heart, if he were truly repentant, he would if he had the chance. If he had the chance and wouldn't cry out for forgiveness, he wouldn't be truly repentant and Christ's merit wouldn't apply to him. He'd have an empty claim to salvation.
Catholics still must compensate to the best of their ability (e.g. return stolen goods, repair a reputation, tell the truth). It’s “Both And” as the bishop would say.
@@bpdav1 Ya, what if you still harbor hatred in your heart? It's more about true spiritual atonement. God knows your heart. The worldly trapping and alter sacrifices are meaningless in the end, and they direct you towards false worship and scapegoatism.
Jim Malloy - Christianity and Judaism are opposites. Christianity is universal - "everyone welcome" - while Judaism is tribalistic - "only those born to a Jewish mother are welcome". Christianity is celestial - "heavenly Jerusalem for every soul" - while Judaism is earthly - "this brick and mortar Jerusalem for this flesh and bones tribe". Christianity is grace - "turn the other cheek, love thy enemy" - while Judaism is vengeful - "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth". Etc., etc., etc.
I wonder if Rabbi Wolpe has ever read or been exposed to the works of Edith Stein. She rejected her ancestral/familial Judaism until her own conversion to Roman Catholicism after reading a single book on the life of Teresa of Avila. She had the opposite reaction to the true Jesus. He is not false.
I went to the Universidad de Salamanca (one of the oldest in history) this year (2020) in january in order to study law. I was profoundly interested in the mystical saints of Avila (Saint Teresa of Jesus and Saint John of the Cross) and for that reason I have visited Alba de Tormes and many sanctuaries there in Spain. Saint John really studied theology and philosophy at Salamanca and Saint Teresa was named Doctor Honoris Causa). I can say reading them changed many things in me too. I bought Edith Stein’s “The Science of the Cross”, entirely based on Saint John of the Cross (dear friend of Saint Teresa) theology. Simply priceless!
I'm not Catholic but this Bishon Baron is a very smooth operator, the words he says and the way he says it is nothing short of astounding and that Rabbi is equally as astounding. No wonder religions have so many people following them, it's cause their leaders can really communicate... smooothly. They're good marketers for sure
@@75216garrison Haha, yes yes indeed. The contingency argument is quite persuasive, also the Kalam argument as well. But how can we be certain that both are entirely true? Like the Rabbi denounces Christ being God and messiah but Barron says otherwise. An honest reading of the scripture in totality and applying reason with not only first principles and natural law my conclusion is Christ is astoundingly necessary but did he resurrect? That's the bloody question. Reading the literature it would seem it was all true because I come from a mixed Hindu background and I've read the religious texts and commentaries on most religions of the world and this Christ story is very very unique, the witness accounts seem to corroborate a great deal and don't seem like they're just making stuff up. Sooooo I'm going to re-read the Bible sometime and see what I missed. I have such a strong gut feeling there's something very very true here that is easily overlooked.
@@misterstudentloan2615 For me an important point, has been to realize that many of the points, necessarily must be chosen. It took me a long time to choose to believe in the Resurrection and the New Covenant. Of course I understand it is entirely 'unprovable', and will sound fairly nuts to many (and of course they speak of that, 'Narrow is the gate and few do find it' ) . It certainly did to me for the longest time. Among other precepts, Ii think one has to accept that G-d loves us, and yet gave us free will, and the Incarnation and Crucifixion and Resurrection thus follow as truth from that. You might also find that some Buddhism (Living Buddha, Living Christ by Thich Hnaht Hahn is a great starting point) can be a great handmaiden to understanding of Christ. They are not opposed, and you can find online the story of a woman who is a Catholic Nun, and also an ordained Zen Master. To my own mind, G-d sent Master Buddha to us, and then, in God's infinite compassion, sent us the Saviour Jesus Christ. Please do investigate the Bible deeply friend, I think you may find that is in fact the most powerful spiritual technology available to humans. Whereas other systems seem to require hundreds of lifetimes to remove what is called 'negative karma', Christ allows us to drill straight through all that defilement, and achieve Salvation even in THIS life, and certainly when we pass over. God bless friend, and may the peace of Christ be with you :)
@@misterstudentloan2615 Christ claimed to be Divine. You have two options: He was Who He claimed to be OR He's freaking nuts! There is no middle ground to claiming Divinity. Not many people with a Messianic complex who are sane.
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From Catholicism, i went Born Again, then went atheist... When God knocked back, i went home to being Roman Catholic... And I don't ever want to leave again 😉❤️⛪
So amazing, praise God!
same here...opus dei
Yeah right.
@@ztrinx1 yep... so right.
This is so inspiring. Praying for you!
Dave, I know you're not the most religious guy, but the fact that you do shows like this means the world to us believers. You really put your money where your mouth is when you talk about bringing people together to discuss no matter their differences. This is the kind of content that people are starving for but the mainstream media will never provide. Your show is a bastion of sanity in a crazy world.
That was so well put. My thoughts exactly!
Amen.
Couldn't agree more. So good to see this sort of coming together and exploration of faith.
Amen to that, in one show we learn from two "experts" for lack of better word that I can think of, that are from different sides of the spectrum. Where Bishop Barron is, I watch, no matter who he is with.
@@JM-in4jn , yes, indeed! Where can we find more liberals like him to engage in meaningful conversations about anything? What have become of the America we so loved, in that sense?
Bishop Barron's intelligence and knowledge and fluency is nothing short of astonishing, IMHO. I'm not Catholic, but this is the sort of fellow they need as pope, I think.
He would be terribly damaging to the Church. What is needed is someone more akin to Leo XIII
You should read more writings by popes. Though they’re not American and aren’t as easy to relate to, the quality of the content is the same.
Exactly what Joshua means. Pope should be someone people relate to. I'm a cultural Catholic and agree with him.
Almost all the Popes of the last 75 years are just as intelligent and free wheeling as Bishop Barron. He just happens to be an American, so we relate to him more easily.
@@crohgnos What does it mean to be a "cultural Catholic"? You don't believe in the faith, but like the food?
This is one of the best podcasts I've watched about religion. I'm a Catholic and like Bishop Barron a lot, however I really enjoyed Rabbi Wolpe's comments too. Great discussion.
Have to agree with you there. Lots of wisdom here and notice how calm everyone was during this discussion.
If you “like Bishop Barron a lot”, I have to question how Catholic you are.
@@readmore4178 Are you grading us, Matthew? If you are assigning yourself that authority perhaps you can start another church. There's already 30 thousand or so and I'm sure most of those were founded by people who were as sure of themselves as you.
@@readmore4178 Sede? SSPX? Rad Trad? You guys are no different than Sproul or James White, except you say you're Catholic.
Ed in Monrovia I’m judging Bishop Barron’s own words. I’m calling them out as heterodox. And thus those who adhere to his theology. Yes. I don’t need to start a church. Im defending the one that Christ started.
Man, Bishop Barron is one enormous influence in the US. He’s like the Fulton Sheen of today.
Yes... Fulton sheen the great!
His manner of presentation is so gentle kind and inspiring well at the same time.
In the world man 🌍
@@Shickz right
I’ve got to agree with Samuel. I’m from Brazil and I love Bishop Barron.
There's something about Bishop Barron that I can't stop listening to him.
He is also the most impressive figure.??/
The Holy Spirit
Two things:
1) when they exclaim "Oh my God!", they both mean it
2) when was the last time you heard a guest tell the other "no you speak".
The rabbinical judaic god is not the same as God (Christian God).
"Jews do not worship God, because they reject the Son who alone reveals the Father; that they have the Law and Prophets just makes their impiety worse. What's really bad is that Christians admire them, think of them as holy people with a special relationship to God, attend their festivals, regard their holy places as holy, etc. This is tantamount to sharing their rejection of Christ. No benefit, such as healing powers possessed by the Jews, is worth the blasphemy of endorsing the Jewish rejection of Christ"- St. John Chrysostom, Archbishop of Constantinople, Doctor of the Church.
right now we have to respect the foundation of Christian culture, which is Judaism. We are being threatened by Neo Marxists who have no love of either God at all.
True Judaism which is now Catholicism (Since 33 AD). Not post-33 AD which is rabbinical Judaism (another false religion).
@@GottmitunsAlex you don't know that much about church history do you? The God of Judaism is the same God of Christianity, in the purest sense, considering Christianity has completely absorbed the torah and the minor prophets into our own bible you could argue that Christianity is merely a/the logical extension or completion of Judaism. The main issue with Judaism was all the add-ons and obsession with tradition which blocked their ability to acknowledge the God the claimed to serve. Remember that the first Christians were Jews, and the loss of Jewish cultures in christian culture did not begin until the Jews were locked out of Jerusalem by the roman empire. Judaism is not Catholicism as the former is largely and disturbingly influenced by many pagan religions and (as with Judaism) suffered many unjustified add-ons, Just because two people fall into the same trap does not make them the same person
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I love it 🥰, wow I though I was the only one noticed ..
Bishop Barren is a super intelligent, humble guy. Love hearing him speak
Could he be fast tracked to 'Pope right now? Mmnn actually probably not sure he'd want that when you consider Pope John Paul 2 shot and seriously wounded ,deep illness and now it come's out he was attacked and stabbed at one stage too.
This was a refreshing, intelligently informed on key questions. Thy God for blessing us with your amazing Teachers
For us in this time of History. My prayer is for heart & minds to be OPEN to such thinking.
we're getting closer and closer to a Bishop Barron/Jordan Peterson talk. *So* close.
praying :) :)
That'd be cool
The Bishop posted a comment on Facebook the other day indicating that it was possibly in the works! I can't wait!
Since Jordan Peterson is busy researching religion for the next 2.5 years per the Patrick Coffin interview (ep 61)(35 minutes in), it would be better to wait until after his research and then have the interview.
Yes please!
Thanks to Jordan Peterson i returned to my catholic faith after more than a decade of atheism.
Have you tried reading the New Testament for yourself?
@@gaillhill Beggining with the catechism, don't feel yet ready to read and interpret a more than thousand year old book originally in a dead language.
@@medicorene How difficult is this to understand? How much "interpretation" do you need to do? It plainly says what it means:
[Rom 3:9-10, 19-30 KJV] 9 What then? are we better [than they]? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: ... 19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29 [Is he] the God of the Jews only? [is he] not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 Seeing [it is] one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
@@gaillhill No, it does not, one must be humble brother.
@@medicorene How about just this much of it. Can you understand this?
" Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:"
Dave you are slaying with your wide variety of guests and subjects. Absolutely killing it. You don't hear a lot of podcasts where Aldous Huxley is used as a punchline. Brilliant. PS: Although I am an Atheist I'd much rather hang out with religious people than with some of the militant atheist in this comment section. If you are an Atheist and you are not open-minded than ... what are you?
jeff beamer Thanks for watching, Jeff.
Much respect man ! Good luck on your journey for meaning!
I feel the same about militant atheists. The kind of certainty they have bothers me just as much as extremely dogmatic religious people. Agnosticism is a much more rational stance to the notion of the existence of a creator or God. Reading through debates online between Christians and Atheists you begin to see how similar they really are in their closed-mindedness and inability to find some common ground on which to truly discuss religion or spirituality. They're arguing from the same stance essentially, just on opposite ends of the spectrum. Personally, I was an Atheist until I was forced to admit that the belief "there is no God" is just that, an unsubstantiated belief. An argument from ignorance is to assert that something is true because it has not yet been proven false or vice versa. That is the ground on which both ardent Atheists and dogmatic religious followers base their argument and it's a fallacy. "The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence."
@@sahamal_savu Well said. After years of studying Christianity followed by years of studying Atheism I came up with "God is that which is incomprehensible to man." So ... I can't comprehend God therefore I do not DENY the existence of God; I simply LACK theistic belief. Which, after all, is an important distinction.
@Rob I wouldn't say fairy tales. I would say mythology. Mythology with many valuable lessons religion being the beginning of ethics and philosophy.
I love the religious conversations, like most people my age ive grown up without religion. My focus has always been on science and it honestly feels refreshing to hear this stuff.
Respect for keeping an open and interested mind. You are the opposite of those commenters here who feel they have to piss on religion/faith before even thinking about it.
@Logic beats Speculation A better description would be that you are incapable of thought, because philosophy is beyond you, as it is beyond all empiricists.
Religion, for all it's faults, has been around a lot longer than science. It was religion that pulled us up out of the muck and sheltered and guided us as a species until we were "old enough" to think for ourselves. A lot of Atheists these days seem to have forgotten the phrase: "Respect your elders." Just because Grandpa is a little old-fashioned and says crazy shit sometimes, doesn't mean he wasn't building the goddamn house you live in when your father was just a twinkle in his eye.
It was religion, organized religion at that, that created the foundations for human civilization. It was religion, not science, that gave early humans hope for the future and the courage to make the sacrifices necessary to advance the human race. It was even religion, not science, that cultivated the study of the world around us which led to the popularity of science which dominates our current age. When science was killing hundreds of thousands and calling it "medicine" (leeches on wounds to suck the poisoned blood out, really niggas?) religion was giving people hope and a reason to not just end their life of suffering en masse, as well as to work towards what would ultimately prove beneficial to all humanity.
Religion is science's grandfather. Respect it, or prove just how much of an arrogant and narrow-minded zealot you are.
I think a useful method of approach, is to realize that everyone has a god or gods, and it's really a question of which one you're going to choose.
@@StarboyXL9 Well, and if one looks deeply, science and religion are not necessarily at odds, they're simply different domains of knowledge. Science is the how and what, religion is the why and what things mean. Mendel (father of modern genetics) and Lemaître (creator of the Big Bang theory) were both devoted Catholics (a monk and a priest respectively).
Egocentric reason * might * be able to provide some kind of ethos of respect insofar as one reasons that 'the better all do, the better I will do ', and /or 'the more secure I am, the more secure all will be', however, I could see that reason could as equally arrive at the belief that 'The weaker others are, the stronger I will be', and ' the less secure others are, the less secure I will be".
As a Jew and a great admirer of Bishop Barron I'm so happy to listen to this discussion. It's wonderful to see this two men enjoying a serious conversation with one another.
Outstanding, Dave. And a huge thanks for both Bishop Robert Barron and Rabbi David Wolpe for taking time to have this conversation.And a particular Bravo for Robert for acknowledging that the Bible makes large metaphysical claims.
Who ever denied the bible did?
@@galoobigboi People that have not read nor have any understanding of it?
@@Kivlor like this benjamin dude it seems.
@@galoobigboi people who don't don't understand context or perspective. (the old catholic church and highly uneducated/under-nurtured Christians)
Bishop Barron is about as intelligent as a human being can be. Good show.
Too bad Dave Rubin is an idiot
Dave, we absolutely NEED a Peterson and Barron interview. Properly long form as well, as good as an hour is it's not enough for a substantial conversation.
This was brilliant, though you seem to have better discussions when just one on one with Bishop Barron.
Wellllllll
Just writing in to say good job. The bishop is right that we should say thank you more on the internet.
Thank you friend.
There I started. ^.^
Thanx bishop for speaking up about rampant child molestation problem in your church. So nice of you not to try and entice people into catholicism without trying to fix its flaws first. What a good moral person you are.
@@raifthemad the worst people in the world end up in churches.
If you are a psychopath looking for people to take advantage of you go to a church because they are forgiving and easy to get help from.
This doesn't make the people of the church who are taken advantage of bad anymore then someone who was mugged a bad person for not realizing their attackers would jump them.
@@VioletDeathRei That mugger example would work better if it was a charity organization for instance and some of their workers were mugging the people they were supposed to help and then society found out and the organization just hushed it up, and kept reposting the muggers to different branches, never punishing them or trying to reform them or warning their would be victims or trying to get rid of them just pretending that they don't exist, paying off their victims to shut up and even people that they were helping would turn a blind eye. Even worse the employees are actively trying to recruit more people to join their organization knowing what awaits some of the new converts. Now substiture mugging with child molestation and grooming for full effect.
And that would make anyone who is aware of the problem and not doing anything about it complicit in their evil.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
@@raifthemad have you ever met a psychopath or sociopath before?
It's a different level of manipulation not hard to pretend to be framed by people like you who just hate religion.
"Cut flower ethics". "How long can you maintain the morality if the soil is not nurturing those values ? " Great concept.
No offense intended, but I personally thought that concept was completely vapid.
This is basically a poetic version of what Ben Shapiro said to Sam Harris when Sam did Ben's Sunday Special. It's an interesting point, pulled almost from Harris' own playbook of arguments from cultural propagation/evolution.
@@timv1.082 None taken. I'll admit that my sense of the truth of the concept is more intuitive, and based somewhat on the observation that many people who claim to be atheist, or to have feminism as their moral code, seem to be (at least on the surface) espousing a set of moral precepts that seem to be directly lifted from a Judeo Christian worldview. What do you find vapid about the 'Cut Flower ethics concept ?
Pax: Stupid concept. It presupposes that supernaturalism has the necessary "fertilizer" to keep the flower growing. Well, supernaturalism is manure, all right, but it produces no verifiable evidence upon which to base moral philosophy, Scientific naturalism does.
@@michaeloconnor6280 With all due respect, I don't see it. Within science all I see is matter and energy, and material cause and effect within an amoral universe bereft of meaning. What for instance is the Scientific Naturalism argument for not murdering or thieving ?
So glad Bishop Robert Barron is there to defend our catholic religion.. God bless you Bishop Barron.
He is always in our prayer. 🙏
Beautiful conversation. It is not about convincing the other to change their mind in an argument. In the conflict it is being able to see each perspective is formed from a different culture & conditioning. More than one belief can exist.
Buddhist understanding of the mind, understands this... the perspective (cognition) part of the mind that causes a lot of suffering if Wisdom gets caught at this level.
Knowing one is not alone and that 'this' will also pass.
Shalom
more than one belief cannot exist, there is 1 Truth and that is Jesus Christ who fulfilled the prophecies
Man, I loved this conversation. It's more philosophical than religious and I've got to say it was a breathe of fresh air. Thanks to everyone involved.
Catholic church had great thinkers even better than philosophers. Search and you will be amazed.
@Mas Gonderawi unless you turn your way out of focus from the principle that says "Philosophy is the handmaid of Theology". There you can be right.
God and his existence is a philosophical question not a scientific one. I don't think God will every be proved scientifically, similar to how science can't prove what is ethical and unethical
Bishop Barron on The Rudin Report? Loving this!
Francis K. My thoughts exactly!
Bishop Barron is a very poor example of the Church.
@@readmore4178 Eh, I don't know about him being "a very poor example" but he's definitely not my favorite bishop either. He's an intelligent man, but I feel like he can play it too safe and diplomatically at times (just my own observations). If a friend were interested in joining the Catholic Church, I can think of several bishops, priests and cardinals I would recommend before Bishop Barron.
WWallace Barron helped me tremendously when reengaging our Blessed Catholic Faith. But I would agree entirely that he plays it far too safe and won’t tell it like it is such as bishops like Cardinal Burke, Arch is hop Chaput, Bishop Paprocki, or Cardinal Sarah.
WWallace Yes. He’s intelligent. And smooth. And charming. And he will be attractive to the secular world. Unfortunately, he’s also not faithful to Christ and leading people into confusion. Look at his recent discussion with Ben Shapiro. His “privileged path” thesis, that he presents to Shapiro, is dangerous nonsense. Anyone attempting to live as a faithful Catholic needs to stand up and resist Barron and his ilk.
As a Catholic, Dave Rubin is my favorite TH-cam interview host. Respectful dialog, intelligent questions and you always come away better for having spent time listening. His conversations are stellar examples of how you can agree to disagree and still be civil. A class act!
I am in awe that this diverse group of people are in the same room together... I’m a catholic and I so appreciate hearing people of faith in their own words. And I love that Dave Rubin is a big part in making this happen. Thanks, Dave!
Catholic Church is always misunderstood by many but in spite of its strict doctrine on morality it is the most gracious church out there as it does not condemn someone of not being a member of the Catholic Church and provides salvation outside the church unlike other religions/churches - "those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience -those too may achieve eternal salvation”
Well, the salvation is technically not "outside the Church", as it is always THROUGH CHRIST. (I mean, otherwise Buddhists would be reincarnated, Muslims would go to Islamic paradise etc., which would be quite absurd.) But what you quoted says that people who live outside the Church IN THIS LIFE may well be saved at their deaths.
The only two channels I'll pause my life for: Jordan B. Peterson and The Rubin Report.
Edit: oh thanks for the likes. if you watched my latest JBP videos please let me know what you thought.
I could suggest a few others, if you're in need. Do you like cars? Comedy?
I had a life once...but they can and took it away....and gave it to Brad Pitt.
For a deeper dive look up .( No specific endorsements) look up nt wright and Paul van see klay on the religious end and mindscape , and anything with Brian Greene on the scientific end
Sam Harris needs to be in this list as well.
High Definist as an introductory measure ..I suppose ..but I prefer to listen to experts in their own Feild
I loved this discussion. I'll admit, I felt terribly uncomfortable when they briefly discussed the differences between judaism and christianity. It is an important discussion and exploration, sure. It must be had. The J-word is the major differentiator. BUT, how does that affect us on the day-to-day in our secular liberal democracy? From a pragmatic standpoint, it does not. Myself, as a Jew, fully appreciate the Christ figure and the spirituality inherent in the CHristian notion of having a piece of the divine in the individual. I believe Christianity spread across the world, as opposed to Judaism, because there is greater tangibility in its rituals. Ultimately, Judaism and Christianity are forever linked. Christians need the Jews for their first book just like Jews today need the Christians for defending the book and, in fact, defending the Jewishing people and the State of Israel. G-d bless us both.
realMikeBenzUSA Love it!
Christians do not, in any way, “need” Jews or anyone who rejects Christ. Jews need to acknowledge Jesus as the messiah, be baptized and be saved.
Good point! I agree with your post.
[Rom 10:1-4, 8-10, 20-21 KJV] 1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. ... 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. ... 20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me. 21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
[Rom 9:1-8 KJV] 1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4 Who are Israelites; to whom [pertaineth] the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service [of God], and the promises; 5 Whose [are] the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ [came], who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
@1:00:48 -- “You can enjoy other peoples religious tradition, when you feel secure in your own.” Excellent!
This helps make sense for me as someone who listens to both Thomas Tallis, Gregorian Chants & Anasheed (Islamic Chants). I can appreciate the artfulness and the beauty in the musical construction precisely because of security that comes from a grounding in the Good, the True and the Beautiful.
I would actually correct that statement to say, "You [think you] can enjoy other peoples' religious tradition, when you feel secure in your own." Because really, the indoctrinated person is reinterpreting another religious tradition through the lens of their own religious tradition.
If an indoctrinated religious person were to _honestly_ understand the truth claims and worldview of a different religion, they would understand the problem of inconsistent revelation, and subsequently _not_ feel secure in their own beliefs.
edit: basically, that feeling of security comes from the dogma held in the indoctrinated person's mind. They feel like they can say to the other man, "I know where you're right and where you're wrong."
edit2: It feels good to feel right.
@@ThomasJDavis i sense hubris emulating in this statement lol
@@ThomasJDavis So? That same standard applies to you. In other words it feels good to be right, using your own thought process.
Fascinating and heartwarming. I love the Bishop but asa Christian I have a deep love of Judaism and I really felt I could relate to the Rabbi. Such a beautiful conversation and I agree that discussion and disagreement are healthy and not to be feared.
Love this. I actually rediscovered faith through Jordan's bit on the biblical stories.
The good Bishop is apsolutly right when he says the dumbing down of religion was a bad move.
Totally agreed. Reaching for the lowest common denominator made a whole generation think there was nothing deep to the deepest book in human existence.
@@MatthewSchellenberg I went to Methodist Christmas eve service with a family member, they a rock band and it was the most milquetoast thing I'd ever experienced....it is no wonder the Christianity is in decline. The beauty and depth have been cut out... Thank God for Jordan Peterson.
andrew stahl Pick up a copy of the Catholic Catechism and just start reading. I think you will find that there is a treasure trove of wisdom and tradition in it. Episcopal, Methodist and so many other Protestant denominations are so incredibly diluted and relativistic. Most take their understanding of Catholicism from what they've been taught, often by non-Catholics (or worse yet, ANTI-Catholics) and they miss out on the Beauty, Goodness and Truth that lies there. If that doesn't seem practical then watch as many Bishop Barron TH-cams as possible!
You are a gift Dave! We love you.
Jane Moffitt Hello Jane!
Together, Bishop Barron and Rabbi Wolpe took many topics to the next level. Their elevated influence is so grounded and with it, pop culture cannot afford to dismiss their views. Bishop Barron's intellectual capital and charisma never cease to amaze me. His humble, generous, and respectful style speaks for itself AND everything he says makes perfect sense.
I greatly appreciated this candid dialogue between these three gentlemen. Bishop Barron beautifully (and intelligently) explained ‘theosis’’ as “participation in the Divine Life of God” - the heart of Christian soteriology. I was hoping for the rabbi to interact with this doctrine more seriously and not dismiss it simplistically as “false”. Perhaps he is not familiar with it enough to comment on it more forthrightly. At any rate, this was a great example of how to have a “religious argument/dialogue”. Kudos to all three participants.
Kindness and respect for differences, for shared humanity, for our own sacred beliefs is what I saw here and I'm so grateful.
I think we just saw the spirit of Christmas, right there. A little slice of Peace on Earth and Goodwill Towards Men. Great job bringing such incredible guests into discussion with one another, Dave!
A priest, a rabbi and a gay man walked into a bar......
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Darn, I was just about to make that joke...
That is exactly what I thought when I saw the video title.
Was it a gay bar?
And had a friendly and insightful conversation.
"The unconditioned, true, good and beautiful, that's God and that's the ground for these great ethical commitments" Bp. Barron
Barron & Wolfe. That would make a great name for a law firm.
Wonderful! No screaming, ranting, or pointing of fingers. Just three adults having an adult conversation. And Mr. Rubin is a great interviewer.
Dave, thank you for bring a Bishop and Rabbi together . I am watching this on Easter Sunday. It is good to see these to great men talking about Christian and Judaism relations and respectful views.
Four years ago it was revealed to me that my emotions and feelings where fueled by my intellect, so out went the TV and print media. I created a space in my life for content like this and the impact has been hugely transformative. All three gentlemen here showed great courage and may God Bless each of them. Nar laga Dhia thu.
Dave, thank you so much for having Bishop Robert Barron on your show and for having these types of discussions. I am extatic to see the Bishop in the circle with you and Ben Shapiro. I'm Catholic myself and feel so good about the Bishop really going out into the world sharing the good news and not staying in the walls of the church. Plus, I've become a big fan of yours of late because of your openness to good solid discussion and debate, and not having people on your show that are only of the same mind and opinion. You show through your actions your strong belief in freedom of speech, as well as the importance of good discussion and trading of ideas. Your doing something really good with your show and I applaud you and encourage you to keep it up! Also, I'd like to request that you have Bishop Robert Barron and Jordan Peterson on your show together. This would make, not just my day, but my month to see that discussion take place. I'm a huge fan of Jordan as well, and to hear a discussion between you three would be awesome!!! Thanks so much, and God bless!
So happy to see Bishop Barron on again!!
Thanks Dave for hosting Bishop Barron and Rabbi Wolpe for this great discussion. I am a Catholic and it brings me joy to hear the three of you speaking about your views on religion and your disagreements with such intelligence, respect, and dignity. God bless you all!
Barron-Peterson, perhaps? Please... please, please, please. Thank you for this.
That was amazing! What a great show. I'm neither Catholic or Jewish, but it's great learning from both of these faiths.
As a gay guy i really have to say that i appreciate what dave rubin does. He sets such a good example for gay guys, and he really breaks the stereotypes of those crazy far-left religion-bashing gay dudes we often see in the media.
My only complaint about Rubin being gay, is that I will never get to marry him.
Cheers, Brandon.
I'd say Dave Rubin sets an excellent example for all men!
I think the reason Christians like me respect Dave so much is that he doesn’t seem to worship his identity as a gay man.
I think Jesus taught Christians to stay out of others peoples sins and focus on our own. Don’t get me wrong I believe that we shouldn’t as a society be pushing the normalization of the gay lifestyle but we also shouldn’t be hating people that haven’t found God to be the number one thing they worship as most of us haven’t either.
@@anonymaus8191 same. he's a good, handsome jewish boy that i would want to marry too lol
Please do more things like this! Nice to get out of the political for a moment.
Yes, more!
SO THE DEMOCRATS ARE-
Fr. Barron God Bless you for the work you are doing, as a young person eager to find meaning I think your discourse is very comforting. This is why I need the church because I can't interpret the scriptures on my own.
This was terrific. I didn’t expect to watch the whole show this morning, but was increasingly drawn in as it progressed. I think this really kicked off my Christmas season - especially the last 20 minutes or so. Thank you Dave, Robert, and David. God bless each of you.
“You can live for 3 weeks without food, You can live for 3 days without water - but You can’t live for 3 minutes without hope.” Beautiful! 😢
Late to see this! Bishop Barron is my Favorite! He helped me rediscover my Catholic faith... Dave You are the man!!
Paul Vanderklay will LOVE this... I'm already excited for his commentary
Yep!
Dan Wagenmaker PVK has been called (by the Rebel Wisdom Guy) as the Pastor of the IDW after all😊
metoo!
Agreed
Oh boy, the Calvinists are wanting in on the discussion. Things can only go downhill from here intellectually and theologically.
Bishop Barron surpasses in his ability to engage and bypass uncharitable or obtuse comments and bring a conversation to a higher educational level. Thank you for your preparation and years dedicated to intellectual engagement.
Two well-adjusted spiritual men. They fear not the differences because they are emotionally, psychologically AND spiritually FULL. A perfect example-demonstrated-on how we should conduct our lives. THANK YOU. I desire to see more of this from Dave Rubin.
This is amazing. Rubin, you are a great force for the betterment of culture.
The most powerful part of this conversation to me, was the point at which Dave suggested that he "was not a religious person," but is approaching some point where he would characterize himself as becoming one.
I would say how truly remarkable that is, and I absolutely can relate. Personally, it was Jordan Peterson who lit that spark in me early last year, and I've come to discover my Catholic faith as a result of his, Dave's, and ESPECIALLY Bishop Barron's thought provoking speech.
I'll continue to follow every one of these guys in hopes that more people can come to desire truth, faith, and reason as a result of their conversations.
Barron is Cool, Calm and Collected. Great Gentleman. Always love getting to hear a Rabbi's views too.
I'm a practicing Catholic and a fan of Bishop Barron. I live in an almost exclusively Jewish community in Miami. Man, did I feel at home with your guests, David. Great conversation! Jews and Christians are family, whether we like it or not. Dialogues like this one that you promoted are extremely healthy for both sides of the clan. Thanks for bringing it to us!
Beautiful to see how much Jews and Catholics have in common. The Jews are 'our older brothers ' as Pope John Paul II said. Great moderation too. So balanced and respectful.
This makes me realize how few opportunities there are to hear really smart people discuss a topic. So much wisdom shared here. Excellent work Dave.
I want to give out a Protestant, BRAVO, to this podcast. God bless you!
I just love this Rabbi. I’ve been studying Judaism for awhile now, and he challenges me to think beyond what I know about religion and politics.
Mr Rubin, your openness to all intelligent and respectful points of view makes your show a must-see-and-listen whenever time will allow. The fact that-- even from your atheism (agnosticism, perhaps?) --- you find room in your easy chairs for clergy is a testament to your intellectual curiosity and authenticity. Thnak you for consistently great conversation! I wish I had a gift for you! Merry Christmas!
Great to see the respectful conversations and interviews being done in a time when it is so sorely needed in our society. Bravo Bishop Barron and Rabbi Wolpe!
I loved it, nothing but positivity. God bless you all.
Asking questions rather than trying to score on one's opponent: how civil, how rare ❤
One of the greatest tools of growth in wisdom is asking the question and appreciation of the answer even if you don't agree with it.
It expresses a genuine humility and strength under control.
Thank you Bishop Barron and Rabbi Wolpe for a very interesting and stimulating conversation about religion.
As a Christian, I have gained such a deeper understanding from Hebrew scholarship. We have more in common than many think.
Lydia Malone - Christianity and Judaism are opposites. Christianity is universal - "everyone welcome" - while Judaism is tribalistic - "only those born to a Jewish mother are welcome". Christianity is celestial - "heavenly Jerusalem for every soul" - while Judaism is earthly - "this brick and mortar Jerusalem for this flesh and bones tribe". Christianity is grace - "turn the other cheek, love thy enemy" - while Judaism is vengeful - "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth". Etc., etc., etc.
Even though I know Jews don't believe our Christ Jesus to be God, I was shocked when the rabbi said it was false when the bishop was talking about Him. Despite that I found your discussion to be very balanced, inspiring, intelligent and most importantly informative.
God bless you all
Shows you the modern power dynamics. The bishop cannot under any circumstances point out the failing of Judaism because we would be label anti-semitic and then tarred and feathered.
People posting comments like they’ve watched the whole video 3 minutes after it’s been uploaded. Anyways the whole video is good believe me.
People tend to comment as they are listening to the video, not necessarily at the end. Like me.
I see what u did there
They watched it in reverse on 2x. Duh!
Relax. It happens on practically every video on TH-cam.
@@madzangels thank you
Ted; Dave, you asked whether or not this bedrock of wisdom can be brought forth with fertile soil. My take is that this is occurring right now. A video like this could never have taken place just a few years ago. You have two brilliant theologians discussing the deepest things in life. They come from different traditions and yet share their wisdom freely with us laymen. Dave, don’t forget your part in this. You are one of the finest interviewers on this “planet”. Thank you for your honesty and time. Ted
After listening to this, the past few days have been the most I've thought about religion and spirituality in a long time. Thank you.
Barron and Jordan Peterson next Rubin! :)
Dave Rubin, you rock!!! I think your own personal journey for meaning is guiding your choice of guests and that is a wonderfully organic thing. To see that it is coming out of you personally and not just programming savvy is cool. When something rings authentic and true, people will tune in. You three modeled civil discourse along “Religion Avenue” where previously on this street many bitter fights were fought. That modeling is one of the most important things that you and other IDWers are doing in my mind.
Having said that, would you consider having Ravi Zacharius on your program? Pick an appropriate Athiest to sit in the other chair. He is a brilliant philosophical thinker with a beautiful mind. Thanks for considering, Dave!
Dave, this was amazing. I saw you and Jordan in Long Beach not too long ago and ever since then the quality of your stuff has gotten even more amazing. The conversation with Peterson and Shapiro was amazing, your interview with Imam Tawhidi was one of your best ones, and now this interesting and in depth conversation. Once you and Peterson get the new fundraising site that is not Patreon, I will gladly support your show. God bless you Dave Rubin!
Thanks Dave Rubin for providing us with these discussions. They're what many people are actually thirsting to hear: discussions about the questions that matter. God bless you Dave!
I've watched this three times, it gives me hope that respectful discussion still exists, thanks to Dave, the Rabbi and the Bishop. Excellent video.
William lane Craig/ Jordan Peterson/ bishop Barron! make it happen Dave!
no I disagree. Edward Feser and Jordan Peterson, make it happen!
Well, Bishop Barron and WLC did a great conversation at Claremont McKenna College here: th-cam.com/video/C8aHQbNASXk/w-d-xo.html
Speaking for myself, I am not particularly impressed with Jordan Peterson, he seems AAA minor league, but not quite major league caliber like WLC and Barron. And by the way, I don't agree with either on too much but recognize their command of their respecitve fields and rhetorical prowess. Much respect for both, despite my differences with them.
cesar arceo id love to see Jimmy Akin on there
Get Pastor Paul VanderKlay and iconographer Jonathan Pageau on the Rubin Report!
Fascinating dialogue. Gets a little tense at 21:18 when Dave asks about the difference between Judaism and Christianity. Bishop Barron answers: God becoming man in Jesus Christ; and Rabbi Wolpe responds: which is false. So which is it? Enter Aristotle's first principle of non-contradiction: opposite assertions cannot be true at the same time. Either one is true or both are false, but they cannot both be true. Therefore, the argument comes down to Jesus' identity.. legend, lunatic, liar... or Lord.
He was a mixed up guy suffering from a Jerusalem complex (i.e. people who think they are Jesus)
Sorry, meant Jerusalem Syndrome (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_syndrome)
banto What? The syndrome was named after Jesus. Jesus didn’t suffer from a syndrome named after him.
I think Bishop Barron at that point ran away from the debate...he allowed Wolpe to ‘rubbish’ Christianity’s key claim with no come back, only saying he likes religious arguments. Not impressed by that.
@@GrOglo I appreciate Bishop Barron holding back the obvious retort to Rabbi Wolpe concerning the Divinity of Jesus and the nature of the Trinity. It kept the conversation going because if Barron had pointed out the laughable strawman Wolpe set up and then blew down, it would have humiliated the rabbi. It was a very kind and long range bit of thinking on Barron's part.
Here's what worked: there are 3 men with different beliefs but the first thing they did is to commit to having a conversation that's respectful of their humanity. The result is a rich, meaningful, informative discussion on faith that brought forth empathy, understanding and respect for all.
God bless you all! I love Bishop Robert Barron and wish more Christians could be as intelligent and compassionate as he is. I really enjoyed this discussion and am always interested in hearing the Jewish perspective. It's good to see and acknowledge the many similarities in our respective faiths. God bless Israel!
Thank you for making this excellent interaction possible. There isn't much more important than the discussion and sharing of differences in a civilised manner.
GOD JESUSCHRIST BLESS HIS ONE AND ONLY CATHOLIC CHURCH!
it needs all the blessings it can get to be spared hell
God bless you Dave Rubin!
A civil and human conversation about religion, history and culture. How refreshing, these days.
I'm a fan of Bishop Barron and I was so excited to see him featured on Ben Shapiro's Sunday Special and today on The Rubin Report again! Thank you Dave for having one of the Roman Catholic Church's best contemporary theologians on your show. Dave Rubin is clearly the worlds best interviewer and host.
My favourite Bishop♡ Bless you.
Great talk! It does not surprise me to see that people crave truth and seek it out through religion. Religion in the media may be seen as a negative thing, and it seems that Judeo-Christian religions are especially disliked by popular media. However, people know instinctively that human beings cannot produce perfect truth, justice, or love. They know this just by being human. Seeking out this idea seems to be a tireless venture and one that human beings never fail to pursue (even if we fail miserably in the process). The human spirit is always hungry for perfect love, justice and truth - the kind that only God can provide. Not drugs, sex, money, power. Just God. This world is filled with false advertising on what can truly make a person fulfilled, and so therein lies mans biggest hurdle. Devotion to God and only God. I believe it was St. Thomas Aquinas who constructed this concept although I could be wrong. Really enjoyed this talk! I love a multi perspective discussion between mature adults well versed in the topic at hand. Wish there was more of this in the media!
Although I'm muslim, couldn't agree more with what you've wonderfully described about what's really important or as Father Barron puts it 'longing of the heart' for us as human beings especially in this day and age.
You won't find a lot of this in the media sadly, simply because this is considered boring and in some cases even outdated but still when there's a will God makes the way and it's always amazing.
May God bless your heart and make things better for everyone.
The Tridentine Mass is the Mass that should be brought back to more churches you will see the young flood back..
Im more of a novus order person myself but I completely agree
Come on, man.
so true
@@kennethparsad Antiochene and Coptic are the rites used..northern Africa was once Roman.. yes changes came after with the african customs..I love the African church..but in western Europe we need the old formula of the latin rite ..the experiment of vatican 2 has failed us..
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What a joy and refresher! To hear good minds and hopeful hearts respectfully dialoguing about topics which are not usually easy to discuss. There is so much anger, entitlement, and lack of moral compass in our world today, that I rarely want to tune into these things. So, I'm glad I did.
Bishop Barron, Sir, I'm among the other 3%, so "God bless you!" and please include me in your Prayers! Thanks from Austria!
When Wolpe scoffed at the idea of a Jewish Christian as an oxymoron I wish Bishop Barron had mentioned Edith Stein.
You mean Jews for Jesus? They are really controversial within the Jewish community tbh.
@@jamiehershon No, I don't mean "Jews for Jesus." I mean Edith Stein, or Saint Teresia Benedicta of the Cross.
A note to the Rabbi. He has us Catholics wrong. We aren't automatically forgiven by Christ's atonement if we don't have true repentance. He applies His merit to us and tells us we must make right with a brother we've offended for God's forgiveness...which sounds very much like you describe Jews must do. Christ tells us in Mat 5:22
"But I say to you, whoever is angry* with his brother will be liable to judgment, and whoever says to his brother, ‘Raqa,’ will be answerable to the Sanhedrin, and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ will be liable to fiery Gehenna. 23 Therefore, if you bring your gift to the altar, and there recall that your brother has anything against you, 24 leave your gift there at the altar, go first and be reconciled with your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Settle with your opponent quickly while on the way to court with him. Otherwise, your opponent will hand you over to the judge, and the judge will hand you over to the guard, and you will be thrown into prison. 26 Amen, I say to you, you will not be released until you have paid the last penny." In other words, if someone has something against us legitimately we must make right with them or we're judged. The priest in your example may have meant the Nazi didn't have the chance to cry out for forgiveness to those he had wronged. He could possibly still be forgiven because God would know his heart, if he were truly repentant, he would if he had the chance. If he had the chance and wouldn't cry out for forgiveness, he wouldn't be truly repentant and Christ's merit wouldn't apply to him. He'd have an empty claim to salvation.
No you didn't listen to what he said. He said you have to attone to the ACTUAL PERSON YOU WRONGED...
@@bpdav1 Did you read what I wrote? So what if a Jew can't attone to the actual person because they're dead?
Catholics still must compensate to the best of their ability (e.g. return stolen goods, repair a reputation, tell the truth).
It’s “Both And” as the bishop would say.
@@bpdav1 Ya, what if you still harbor hatred in your heart? It's more about true spiritual atonement. God knows your heart. The worldly trapping and alter sacrifices are meaningless in the end, and they direct you towards false worship and scapegoatism.
Jim Malloy - Christianity and Judaism are opposites. Christianity is universal - "everyone welcome" - while Judaism is tribalistic - "only those born to a Jewish mother are welcome". Christianity is celestial - "heavenly Jerusalem for every soul" - while Judaism is earthly - "this brick and mortar Jerusalem for this flesh and bones tribe". Christianity is grace - "turn the other cheek, love thy enemy" - while Judaism is vengeful - "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth". Etc., etc., etc.
I wonder if Rabbi Wolpe has ever read or been exposed to the works of Edith Stein. She rejected her ancestral/familial Judaism until her own conversion to Roman Catholicism after reading a single book on the life of Teresa of Avila. She had the opposite reaction to the true Jesus. He is not false.
I went to the Universidad de Salamanca (one of the oldest in history) this year (2020) in january in order to study law. I was profoundly interested in the mystical saints of Avila (Saint Teresa of Jesus and Saint John of the Cross) and for that reason I have visited Alba de Tormes and many sanctuaries there in Spain. Saint John really studied theology and philosophy at Salamanca and Saint Teresa was named Doctor Honoris Causa).
I can say reading them changed many things in me too. I bought Edith Stein’s “The Science of the Cross”, entirely based on Saint John of the Cross (dear friend of Saint Teresa) theology. Simply priceless!
How ultimately refreshing to listen to a heart that speaks truth and wisdom. Hope you have these two men back on your show.
Wow bishop is on another level. Gods grace is so visible in you, his loving kindness and also explaining big picture religion issues.
I'm not Catholic but this Bishon Baron is a very smooth operator, the words he says and the way he says it is nothing short of astounding and that Rabbi is equally as astounding. No wonder religions have so many people following them, it's cause their leaders can really communicate... smooothly. They're good marketers for sure
The truth has a good ring to it .
@@75216garrison Haha, yes yes indeed. The contingency argument is quite persuasive, also the Kalam argument as well. But how can we be certain that both are entirely true? Like the Rabbi denounces Christ being God and messiah but Barron says otherwise. An honest reading of the scripture in totality and applying reason with not only first principles and natural law my conclusion is Christ is astoundingly necessary but did he resurrect? That's the bloody question. Reading the literature it would seem it was all true because I come from a mixed Hindu background and I've read the religious texts and commentaries on most religions of the world and this Christ story is very very unique, the witness accounts seem to corroborate a great deal and don't seem like they're just making stuff up. Sooooo I'm going to re-read the Bible sometime and see what I missed. I have such a strong gut feeling there's something very very true here that is easily overlooked.
@@misterstudentloan2615 YES! ^_^
@@misterstudentloan2615 For me an important point, has been to realize that many of the points, necessarily must be chosen. It took me a long time to choose to believe in the Resurrection and the New Covenant. Of course I understand it is entirely 'unprovable', and will sound fairly nuts to many (and of course they speak of that, 'Narrow is the gate and few do find it' ) . It certainly did to me for the longest time. Among other precepts, Ii think one has to accept that G-d loves us, and yet gave us free will, and the Incarnation and Crucifixion and Resurrection thus follow as truth from that.
You might also find that some Buddhism (Living Buddha, Living Christ by Thich Hnaht Hahn is a great starting point) can be a great handmaiden to understanding of Christ. They are not opposed, and you can find online the story of a woman who is a Catholic Nun, and also an ordained Zen Master. To my own mind, G-d sent Master Buddha to us, and then, in God's infinite compassion, sent us the Saviour Jesus Christ. Please do investigate the Bible deeply friend, I think you may find that is in fact the most powerful spiritual technology available to humans. Whereas other systems seem to require hundreds of lifetimes to remove what is called 'negative karma', Christ allows us to drill straight through all that defilement, and achieve Salvation even in THIS life, and certainly when we pass over.
God bless friend, and may the peace of Christ be with you :)
@@misterstudentloan2615 Christ claimed to be Divine. You have two options: He was Who He claimed to be OR He's freaking nuts! There is no middle ground to claiming Divinity. Not many people with a Messianic complex who are sane.