Christianity and the Modern World | Bishop Barron | EP 162
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@BishopBarron and I sat down on March 5th, 2021 to discuss a variety of topics in the realm of the importance of the bible, the bridge between religion and biology, the nature of good, how the limits of the bible can be useful, why young people are leaving the catholic church, the hunger for serious deep conversation on religious topics done intellectually, and more.
Bishop Barron is the founder of Word on Fire catholic ministries and auxiliary bishop of the archdiocese of Los Angeles. He is also a number one Amazon best-selling author and has published a number of books on theology and spiritual life. He has been invited to speak about religion at the headquarters of Facebook, Google, and Amazon and is one of the most followed Catholics of the world on social media.
Find more of Bishop Barron on TH-cam @BishopBarron and on www.wordonfire.org/
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I discovered Jordan Peterson 5 years ago. I had been a lifelong atheist. Two years ago I began a faith journey towards Christ. I converted to Catholicism and was baptized in July 2020. Becoming a Christian has been the best single decision of my life. God bless you Dr Peterson!
Excellent
Hi, big question if you don’t mind answering, I’m on the same path, why did you choose Catholicism?
@@Arzoliz That is a big question! I’ll try to answer as best I can in this context. Oddly enough, the Catholic Faith chose me. Meaning, in a way I could not have planned, and by telling the truth the whole way, I met someone who took me to a Catholic mass. At mass, I was deeply struck by how I was participating in something ancient, beautiful, and true.
I kept attending masses, and met a really great priest at my current parish. He asked if I wanted to join the Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults, which is the 8-month faith formation program everyone has to participate in to become Catholic. Fantastic! There was no obligation to continue, but I did, which culminated in my baptism.
That’s more of the how. But every instance along this journey has only reaffirmed that the Catholic faith was right for me. RCIA itself was an amazing experience. I now volunteer running the program and welcoming new candidates, and I volunteer as lector at my parish, and the community is just phenomenal.
The theological tradition is also something that other churches cannot contend with. You become the beneficiary of over two thousand years of interpreting God’s Word (even more than two thousand years of you consider Jewish theological tradition that our faith is built upon). That theological tradition is summarized in an official Church Doctrine called the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which is also an official interpretation of the Bible. So there’s also an authority that comes with the Catholic Faith that no other church has. It was the church started by Jesus and Peter, so it is also the oldest and longest lasting institution in human history.
I could go on and on... but basically the deeper I dive into the Bible, Catholic Church doctrine, and theological tradition passed down to us through the Saints, the more I am affirmed that the Catholic Faith is the one true Universal Church.
Contact a local parish and inquire about their RCIA (Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults) program if you’re interested. :)
I hope that helps!
That’s for you. I found life to be better, since I left religion.
Welcome home, brother in Christ! 😊😊😊
Got here faster than a lobster fighting to climb their serotonin hierarchy
lol, thanks for that
Amen god damnit!!
Didn't make it fast enough. Makes me feel like the defeated 🦞
Lol yeah I saw this duo and wasted no time starting the vid
@@will0316 ohh, poor thing. You must clean your room and walk with a straight back.
I was an atheist and now I'm becoming a Christian thinker thanks to Jordan Peterson, you really made me rethink the Bible.
How wonderful!!!
Amen brother!
I would like to know what was that changed your mind, because I hear from young adults that they are Atheists and I don't know what to ask or tell them to force them to think about it again.
just remember God hates religion
If you’re truly seeking, read the Bible yourself
I was raised Catholic but have floated away from the faith as an adult. Dr. Peterson has made me revisit my faith again.
Go to the Latin mass
Hey brother keep digging in that exact same thing happened for me I denounced the church and faith as a whole but then I en ountered JBP. I started revisiting my old Catholic faith out of curiosity and then discovered the beauty of tradition and historical procession within it. Now I am re-reading the catechism and watching lots of trent horn and fathers of mercy!!!! I wish you the best in your journey my brother in Christ!!! Deus Vult!!!!!
Father Mike Schmitz took me on a spiral whirl wind..with Bishop Robert Barron...and then I saw Dr. Jordan Peterson's teachings :)
This startling idea first appeared in scientific form in 1931, in a paper by Georges Lemaître, a Belgian cosmologist and Catholic priest. The theory, accepted by nearly all astronomers today, was a radical departure from scientific orthodoxy in the 1930s. Many astronomers at the time were still uncomfortable with the idea that the universe is expanding. That the entire observable universe of galaxies began with a bang seemed preposterous.
Same here
I’m a 32 year old U.S Army Veteran. I found Jordan 4 years ago then I found Bishop Barron 2 years ago. Now I’m back practicing my faith as a Catholic and haven’t missed Mass in over a year and a half. The Confessional has taken the place of Therapists in my life. I am eternally thankful for these two and have said many prayers that this day would come again!
Thank you for your service! Glad you are finding your way!
Well done. 😀🙏
JimIny Cricket - I am also in some of those categories: back in church after 30 plus years, back in confession (I have two therapists but confession touches my heart like nothing else) and finding Bishop Barron today, am looking into getting confirmed. No place else to look. Got back into church by reading Hostage to the Devil by Malachi Martin. Understanding that evil is absolutely real (and not the way the church teaches btw) sent me back. Malachi Martin was an expriest who did exorcisms. Bless you and thank you for your service!
@@kimbadull6448 psychology places a band-aid on the wound, God removes the deep infection in the soul and the wound heals!!! The unseen scars behind are a reminder for you to give thanks after the healing!!!
Beautifully put. Confession instead of endless therapy...and it is free.
We're blessed that this type of content is free.
Amen
Heck yeah! We live in a time where knowledge is very accessible. We only need to be curious and humble to lay aside any assumptions about anything. When I listen to conversations like this, I can’t help but be grateful for the gift of consciousness and the ability to hone it.
Freely we have received...
You might like my channel too :)
@@Ramtin-Blue_rose Yet you're here wasting your time. How can you invest valuable time in something that is meaningless to you, let alone checking the comments to add your bitterness? Go clean your room, dude.
This was AMAZING. I’m so grateful for these talks. I only discovered Peterson about 6 months ago. Listening to his talks and interviews has shattered my post-modernist, feminist, far-left, nihilistic reality. I feel happier, more purposeful, and more loving towards people as a result. I’ve still got a lot to learn. And I will keep listening.
You go girl. The pill you were given was huge! God bless you and your family in your exploration. Father Callahan a sinner to saint story. Father Corapi a delightful traveler who gets to give speech s all over. He lost parish work due to unfounded accusations. Mark Goring a manly best guy from Canada. All on u tube
God bless you, Lacey. 😊
@@cindyrobertson3798 I am so happy to hear your story because it gives me hope.
I "found" JP right when he was in the middle of his forced language battle with the univ....I had no idea if him before this. I went back and started listening to his first recorded lectures in his classroom. Kept listening. Still listening. What an adventure!!
amazing..
I as an 86 year old lady must tell you how much I have enjoyed listening to you. I came to know Jesus when He forgave me of my sins and has given the help to live pleasing to Him. It is a daily walk by faith in a real Friend who loves and guides His children. I have been praying for you since you entered my world. would like to tell you more, but since I’m really not a writer I’ll ask my Heavenly Father to reveal what I can’t say. Will continue to pray for you and yours.
The unexpected crossover we didn’t know we all needed. God, I’m grateful this content is free.
I have to cordially disagree. This interview was already expected, again, by all those following Dr. Peterson's deeper immersion in Christianity.-)
Amen comrade ☘️🇮🇪
I hate religion
@@wordsalad01 that’s a good question I want to understand it too.
@@wordsalad01 usually its the latter
This is beautiful. I'm a Colombian catholic seminarian and I can tell you this two guys have been a real inspiration. There is defently no greater adventure in life than following The Truth, The Light, The Way, the Door, The Life.
I love The Doors.
Check out "The Immortality Key".
Probably one of the best books I've ever read.
Religion is essentially based off the tradition of psychedelic experience . Ergot (a fungus) is well known for this.
I highly recommend you check it out if you're interested in "truth".
Persevere, Juan Diego! The priesthood is awesome and truly a gift from God! Will pray for you...
Jesus bless you brother. I'm Catholic from Malaysia.
May God guide, bless and keep you on your journey to priesthood
Former progressive now on the path to Catholicism. Praise to Jordan and men of God like Bishop Baron. Going into those places and piercing that darkness with the light of truth.
Congratulations!! I am a former atheist turned Catholic myself. It's a beautiful place to be
@@VengeWarlock_Gaming It is a wonderful feeling and state of being. Hard to explain to others who are not on that path. I feel very blessed!
Welcome back to reality. The current progressive movement has gone off the rails. Progress was ending slavery, ending child labor, women's suffrage, ending sickness and extreme poverty.
Today's progressive want's to deny reality and force everyone else to agree with them!!!!
The uncertainty of scientific minds is not for everyone, certainly a comfort of a white lie is easier on the mind
God bless 🙏🏻 praying for your journey
When Jordan Peterson speaks about his pain my heart understands. Pain has brought me to the edge of sanity but destroyed most of my egoic insanity too. Christ lifted me up, dusted off the dirt and gave me purpose again.
here I am a 17 year old raised in a Roman Catholic family, but my true dedication to the faith only started when I started listening to Jordan Peterson, the bold expression of my faith is all to the credit of the Jordan Peterson phenomenon, Bishop Barron has strengthened it further, we're truly blessed to be able to witness this rich discussion, may God bless these brilliant men and all of us here abundantly, Amen!
@@jordanbpeterson5154 your not JP...
Roman catholism is heresy
Comment of the week
@@repentandfollowjesus3474 Jesus Christ established the Catholic Church - Matthew 16:15. The Catholic Church gave you the Bible too
Brilliant
This is very strange but welcoming seeing these two together. Before my father died about two years ago I told him I really liked Jordan Peterson and he should listen to him, and he told me to listen to Bishop Barron. Now here they are together. Loving this. Good brain/soul food.
That’s extraordinary 💝
Bless your dad
Truth at work
That's beautiful!
Spooky action at a distance ❤️ reminds me of how my buddy youssef and mariam',s wedding got postponed for lockdown and it ended up being rescheduled on the feast of mary 🙏 God bless
"There is no movement forward without the death of the past" Jordan Peterson - This hit home with me! Thank you both!
Wow I agree 100% It hit me like a lightning bolt
What Jordan is doing for the church is beautiful. He has done more for the people of faith then any other name I can think of. He is humbled by such compliment. What a journey he takes us on. Love ya brother. From my very depths.
The older I get the more beautiful Jesus's teachings become.
Same
Same to me
Same man
@@TheGuiltsOfUs here comes the rejectors of the saviour
Yes, the god beast of the bible is such a beautiful thing eh? Numbers 31, Exodus 21 just as a start. My morality could never allow me to pray to a baby killer.
Mr Peterson,
I’m from Alberta 🇨🇦 too!
I’m an Ex Gang leader, I now follow Jesus!
Thank you, for changing your life! So you could dramatically help me change mine!
God bless u!
That’s amazing! 🙏☺️
God bless you!
Edmonton here.
Your story is too amazing for words. Maybe you can start your own ministry to help others.
Bishop Barron couldn't have explained the sacrifice of Christ in a better way. Almost brought tears to my eyes.
Welcome Christopher... I have converted to Catholicism some 30 years back from protestant and never looked back... in fact, the best thing that could happen to me!... was actually like a calling and I responded in obedience. So we meet Jesus at every Mass as a living sacrifice on the altar! Thanks be to God. Pray the Holy Rosary daily my friend. Peace be with you.🕯🕯🕯⚘⚘⚘
Jordan Peterson was a stepping stone in my conversion to Catholicism. Happy to see this conversation happening. Praying for the both of you!
He tipped me into that path too! Nice avatar btw😊
As a Catholic born into it, i'm curious what is your story.
Christus Vincit, Christus Regnat, Christus Imperat.
God bless you and congratulations on your conversion, from a convert and recently ordained priest. Mary played an instrumental role in my conversion. She is the humble servant of the Lord who through the use of her freedom allowed the glory of God to work in her. Since, as Jesus says, those who humble themselves are exalted, she is now the New Eve, the Queen of Heaven who draws her spiritual children to her Son. Such it was for me and such it has been for you. Glory to God, and praised be Jesus Christ with help from the intercession fo the Blessed Virgin Mary!
Things seem to be changing for the the Flock. At the very least looking like our spiritual drought might be coming to an end. God be with you all folks, Holly Mother of God, pray for us sinners.
I converted to Catholic Christianity from atheism. Dr. Peterson's work opened my mind to the spiritual, and Bishop Barron opened my eyes to the majesty of the Church. Love seeing you two together!
Did you have a lot of questions towards the Bible stories? I have a lot of questions for Christianity but if I had answers I would convert. I’m agonistic and yet I feel a pull towards Christianity due to the poetic deep understanding Jordan has opened me to.
@@ilik2spit I would advise something a little crazy. Let go of the demand for proof, relinquish that impulse for a set amount of time and commit to the leap. Commit to yourself and to God to live as though you believe all of it, and see what happens. For me, when I let go of the need to prove something I received my proof in stunning ways that I cannot explain outside of the truth of faith.
Faith is a strange thing but try to go to Mass, to pray, and to experience the majesty of the faith. Good luck and I'll pray for your journey to lead you home 🙏
Me as well! Both very influential men in my call to adventure :)
@@JetsfanMrT How should one do that? Letting go?
As did I, but it was before I found Jordan or Bishop.
I'm Catholic I love listening to JP he's awesome. I also listen to Bishop Barron but this interview is Great 👍 from New Zealand 🇳🇿♥️🙂🇳🇿
Go to the Latin mass
The opening statement of the Bishop absolutely nailed it! The words out of his mouth were exactly my answer to my Wife this morning regarding why I, a diehard Christian, listen to Peterson so much… because so many within the institution of the church itself have dropped the ball of our calling by God to the world & it is to our shame that God has to raise up people outside the church to call us to repentance & into a deep, rich, meaningful relationship with the divine Logos, not to mention with the Spirit of God Himself, known also as the Spirit of Christ. Now I’m not saying there are no good teachers within the church. I’m saying they are becoming exceptionally more rare & the church is in many ways apostate once again, like so many times in history. I’m speaking of believers throughout history, not just the church in the strict sense since Pentecost.
Absolutely. Depending on what we mean by intellectual , they tend to be anti intellectual, confusing intelligence on universal matters, worldliness. A lot think seminary s are bad in themselves. I understand,.but a lot of people leave education up to whose profession it is. But one thing I noticed, people do become more mentally attuned. They begin to read a lot more, and listen more. And are not easily fooled. For different reasons. First they don't listen to Intellectuals anyway. Which makes the liberal left mad. In the old world, the label intellectual, were raised who were educated In socialist, communistic, ideals I opposed, to the old worlds monarchial rule in Europe and Russia. They tend to be considered revolutionaries , anarchists, and nihilistis..
In america, it tends to broadly educated people, or to progressives, and any intelligent classed person's, conservative or liberal. A person might quip, its,all beyond me. They are intellectuals. Seek wisdom, and understanding, it will greatly aid our humble cond tion. Educating ones self is,a very good thing. To a person who may not be able to read, they may think of some one who can, intellectual..
There has been a trend in the last 60 years post Vatican 2. The good old solid well educated great priest s have been put out to pasture or sent off to remote towns and lost their parishes eventually. The new trendy kumbaiah yahoo's have had their reign .pope Francis isbeing exposed. I hope he steps down. He done more globalist harm and never stood up for what's catholic. We are in interesting times! Hang in there. God can straighten out His Church .He promised. To be with us to the ends of the Earth. We worship the creator God .not his creation Earth 🌎. .we are part of God's creation made in the images of God. Almighty hold dear to your wife. Times may be short.
As a former atheist, turned catholic. This is probably the best dialogue I've ever seen. Jordan Peterson is a bridge to what Bishop Barron conveys. ... These two have a chemistry I've never seen between the secular and spiritual. I've got this dialogue saved and will be sending it to a bunch of people I'm just completely floored right now and grateful to God to be able to witness this.
Glad the dialogue is helpful to you. If I could ask, what do you think it was that converted you?
@@AleccJamezz Peterson's Psychology of The Bible series was what sparked the first step. You see, I always viewed scripture as just stories that were kind of ridiculous. That series showed me that they were deeper levels to them, if only in a psychological way.. I started to explore that which led me to the Catholic faith eventually. At the time, I was also going through a few things in real life that I'd rather not discuss. Hope that makes sense.
@@Jonathan_Krause being a former atheist all my adult life, I definitely understand the feeling of feeling stupid for believing in God. In my head, that doesn't really go away. I don't know how to explain it. There just comes a point where you take that leap of faith and it fills that emptiness inside perfectly in such a way no relationship, drug, or anything ever could. Once you experience that, you can't deny it anymore. Faith is a verb, it's an action, not an ideal or a concept. I suppose it's never gonna make sense to the head 100%, Im ok with that though.
@@Jonathan_Krause Now, as for not believing in the existence of God, there's nothing I can say to that, you either believe it or you don't, or at least I don't know how to prove it. But I can explain how we (speaking as a Catholic) don't believe in God the tyrant, at all.
God doesn't 'sent' people to hell. It's exactly like Bp Barron said, quoting Paul, when he said that nothing can separate us from God's love, no creature, nothing, because even when you kill Him, He comes back and forgives and loves you. He doesn't 'sent' you to hell, totally opposite! He wants to reconcile with you and wants to have you with Him in heaven, even to a point He'll die for you.
So, the only way one would end up in hell, is when one decides to and chooses that. That's also what Bp Barron said about the flames of hell are the God's love - because God doesn't stop loving, and His love is constant even when one rejects Him, so it's more about the attitude of the person, not God's. It's one and the same love that's the greatest solace to those who say 'yes' to God.
That's the beauty of the faith and the 'Good News', that it's about love. Not about fear, tyranny, coercion.
right! I've always thought it would be interesting to listen to Jordan talk with a theist. There were moments where I was like "Jordan actually said that", and think that was really good for the conversation. Glad he didn't shy away from the tough questions that plague many of us.
I converted to Catholicism last year and it has been the most beautiful experience of my life and I hope that everyone can experience it as well.
Welcome home!!!!! 😊😊😊😊
Amen, brother!
Yessssss...I did 2 years a go!
I did the same. Very happy for you!
Welcome!! Let’s be Saints!! The adventure begins.
I listened to this after a long day in which I was left angry and hurt after feeling unappreciated in my efforts. This talk reminded me where the grace to bear the "suffering" comes from, and my need to look to my Lord for that.
God is good!
GOD IS GOOD !
Holy smokes! I’m not Catholic but this Bishop Barron absolutely ROCKED Jordan Peterson. Both in intellect AND moral virtue! Sheesh! 😅
Absolutely. Two of the greatest minds of our generation. You should seek out more of him. I love and appreciate them both, I'm not a Catholic either, but credit where credit is due.
Then you missed what this was about. Peterson was seeking answers, not challenging the church. He needed answers he didnt have. This wasnt a debate, there was no rocking. It was an intellectual triathlon to get Peterson to the top of the mountain.
I think you fundamentally misunderstood the entire dialogue.
Come home to the Catholic church. But ignore the faithless public statements and actions of the current pope and corrupt bishops. Get properly catechized.
@@clarekuehn4372 our current Pope is an antipope and doing everything in his power to destroy the church. Here our prochoice politicians openly receive the Eucharist. In much of Europe divorcees get communion no questions asked and no annulment. In China he recognizes state sponsored Bishops not the underground church. I can go on and on of his evil deeds. I believe in the church founded on the Pillars of the Apostles but this Francis is no Assisi...
“If you knew the value of suffering then you would never want to give it up”
St. Padre Pio
@@jordanbpeterson5154 you parasite.
Yes but it gets old
@@johncitizen3227 why?
@@chtomlin Because he’s trying to dupe everyone into sending him money by using JBP’s name and logo.
@@jordanbpeterson5154 I hate this Dummy Bot Account, dont try to scam,
At 55:00 JBP basically asks for our prayers when he says," I'm in constant pain, and I don't know what to do with it..." let's do that. 🙏
Sad.
@@dariankaltenbach8062 In Jesus name!
“Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.” Philippians 4:6
I would love to see him understand that he can unite his suffering with Christ. To unify with Christ on the Cross.
I do pray for Jordan regularly.
I discovered Jordan Peterson a month ago and I'm awed. My mind can fit in his--and does--with enough room for a Nobel Prize winner or two. I've watched over 100 hours of his videos and have moved past a big confusion in my life.
That bought a tear to my eye. A beautiful share. TY
"My mind can fit in his" What a beautifully worded compliment.
Dr.Jordan Peterson made me feel so much better about being a woman, no wonder I never had anything in common with my father and brother, they were there and protected us, but it was my mom that I completely understood.
We really need another conversation with these 2. It’s time. Been a couple years!
Jordan's "take responsibility" meets Bishop Barron's "Your life is not about you"
Yes it’s never been about us! It’s always been about Jesus and his redemption through his ultimate suffering on the cross, his resurrection, defeating death, showing us his divinity and his power to overcome suffering, and providing the one final mediation between God and man! No more works... open yourself to God so that HiS good works will manifest through you as he dwells within you the living temple.
@@willire8811 What is jesus if not merely a bastardised name.
@@narre6939
I can’t believe that you would watch Jordan Peterson’s content and have that be your takeaway
@@gavart4509 Inferring is a useful skill to possess
@@narre6939 Jesus is the son of the one true and living God. He is a part of the trinity (God the father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit). He is fully God and fully man. He had to be fully Man to show us that he could sympathize with our weaknesses in a fleshly body, he was tempted as we are, but never succumbed because he was also fully God, so that he could obey the law perfectly never faltering once. He also had to be fully God incarnate so that on the cross he could bear the wrath of God (no human could bear this penalty). He rose again to show us that death could not hold him, and that he overcomes death; this is also a reflection of what he does in our salvation ...our dead hearts we were dead in our transgressions and yet God breathes life into our heart reviving it from death to life but we need to believe this not trust in our own selves to save us. Once we trust Jesus life, death and resurrection and that he pardons our sin, we trust God to sanctify our souls, the Christian becomes a willing vessel to be transformed into the image of Christ. We no longer love our sin, we are convicted (not condemned, as there is no condemnation in Christ) by scripture, ask God to gift us repentance daily (as we cannot turn by ourselves, because our flesh is weak) and as he helps us repent we start to look more and more like Jesus. We still stumble and fall, as we still live in our earthly bodies that want to be selfish and put ourselves above God... but there is nothing that God cannot forgive and if we humble ourselves I genuine contrition he will remember our sins no more! Immerse yourself in scripture daily! There more you read the more you hear, if you struggle ask God to reform your hardened heart and transform it to a heart of flesh and he will! Remember salvation is not “feeling as if you have been saved” it’s a knowledge that you are saved by Christ’s finished work on the cross, it is his goodness God sees it is not our works but Christ’s, and that’s the good news. See your sin. Genuinely ask for a humble heart so that you may lay your burdens at the cross, trust that God pardons your sin through Jesus, and live your life in freedom from the wages of sin. This is such good news This free gift of Grace- you cannot earn it you can only receive it and trust it.
Through Jordan Peterson I came to understand the importance of sovereignty of the individual, which led to a newfound discovery of religion. Later, found Bishop Barron who later guided me through the Faith, finally leading to my conversion from atheism to Catholicism at the Easter Vigil in 2018. God bless you both.
Congratulations on your journey home! 😀
I discovered the two in the same order and around the same time as you it seems. Haven't felt compelled to convert, but rather remain a sovereign thinker- but Godspeed to you for following through on your compulsions. I get it.
@@dariofromthefuture3075 have you read Mere Christianity by CS Lewis? If this interest you in a deep way, Lewis is a must. Bless you!
Wow, now that is something. It’s not an easy life, but it is worth it.
Congratulations, you are now a fully-fledged reactionary conservative.
I have been following Mr. Peterson for a while. I am a Southern Baptist and struggle with some aspects of our doctrine and dogma. His willingness to discuss the inconsistencies of belief in a way that doesn't bring faith into question is refreshing. I haven't encountered Bishop Barron before, but I will be viewing his videos in the future. I want to thank both men for this discussion.
Hello! How's your journey towards the Catholic Church? :D
Jordan Peterson has really helped me become a better Catholic., Especially his talk about not giving up and that life is painful and you got to keep carrying on and that message is congruent with the Cross of Christ which I identify with when going through tough times
We like watching you talk to Christians because you bridge the gap for many of us who were anti-religious. I think the bishop explained it well. You've made it relevant and compelling; you've helped me personally to see it in a meaningful manner.
Honestly, I have no grasp on the "Why's" of the Bible until Jordan Peterson applied Psychology to it. Made it more... tangible.
I'm an atheist ⚛️ who doesn't like conservatives because they ruin everything.
Very true, two years ago I was anti-religious. Also from a anti-religious family. Now I regularly look to the Bible and other texts for information and opinions. Jordan Peterson was my link to this.
Letsgo
@@just_a_turtle_chad Yay good job. Now what can you add to the conversation?
Loved Jordan's comment, "The church does not demand enough of young people. And by not demanding enough it doesn't indicate its faith in their possibility." That was spot on. 👌 We need to step up. I need to step up!
Indeed.
When did the church start changing values to fit the younger generations theology? It is not a healthy way to conduct religious buisness.
@@1111orion Since always!! you haven't read about the different changes that the Church has made to the Bible?
@@thefool1086 er, certainly you aren't speaking of the Catholic Church here, right? Luther is the one who changed the Christian Bible to start his own personal version of Sacred Tradition (e.g. Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide, etc.) He was very successful at sowing seeds of theological chaos. (Obviously a lot of people started their own Bible projects, like Thomas Jefferson, but Luther's bible seems to be the most popular among non-traditional Christians. )
Our good works are like filthy rags. The only way to God is through Jesus. Amen
As I write this I’m trying not to be overly passionate but this conversation filled me with so much joy. Truly mesmerising. Thank you! God bless you both!
@Stephen Pilling: I feel the same way! I'm so grateful to God for leading me to this rich content. Amen and amen.
This conversation is beyond extraordinary. It stirs and feeds my Christian soul. So insightful. So robust. So needed.
It appears I may be the lone protestant here, but I have immense respect for what I'm hearing. I tend not to focus on where catholics and protestants diverge, but where we agree.
Catholics and Protestants agree on so much (including many/most of the principal doctrines of Christ), it’s a shame that we focus on the 10-15% of disagreement when we probably agree on a good 85-90%. I’m Catholic and my wife is Protestant and she and I see eye-to-eye on faith-there is much confusion/ignorance about what the ‘other’ side believes but when you begin charitable dialogue and start breaking things down, you’ll find that there’s a lot more in common than you might have imagined. Sometimes we use the same term differently or use different terms to mean the same thing-semantics.
While our differences are important, I 100% agree. Where we come together, especially with our mutual faith in the Lord, should be what we unite around and push forth to the masses. Especially with this post modernist time with people walking away from God and largely worshipping themselves instead,whether they realize it or not. Then once that battle is won we can have a brotherly discussion about the rest
Its important to unite when it comes to defend christendom itself from its enemies. But sadly we are far to different to have a permanent “peace”.
Not the only Protestant here.
Till you look closer.. As Catholicism had William Tyndale burned at the Stake. Just for printing the bible into English..Now they sold out the Chinese Christians in China. To the Communist..
Why this guy has no clue. Why the Church is empty? Because, They don't teach you shit..Just listen to him. Subjective\Objective\Biological Values.. What the hell does that do for anybody. Answer Nothing! Hell he even does not understand the Universe we live in. Using the word Evolution.. He didn't even define the word..As the Universe does not have the traits to create living matter. Using only non organic material found in it..Using only the four Fundamental forces..That cause anything to happen or move. ie Cause an Action..
So that means Neo Darwinism is out. Magic Pixie Dust is out. Time, Chance, Randomness are out. As they don't cause anything to happen or move...
And I'm not even religious. But I'm not stupid. I actually read the books of the Bible. They are filled with Truths. Starting right out of the gate with. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Those first sentences are a damn Scientific Statement. ie Caused an Action...As we live in a Word\Mathematical based Universe. And that is an Axiom...As we use those very tools to discover our Universe and how it works. In Scientific Inquiry everyday..Not to mention communicate with each other..
So these two need to open their minds up. As the Universe we live in. Has at least 10 Dimensions. I'm not even going to touch how Biologist today are freaked out..As the Cell Nucleus is beyond anything humans can comprehend..Analog\Digital Information thought out the cell. In three dimensional form.. it's amazing to behold...It makes humans look like we just discovered fire..
And I want to Know this God. Creator, Outside Agency. As I'm looking for him to work in my life. Just as he said. Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, They shall be as white as snow. Though they be red like crimson. They shall be as wool..
That my friend is an Invitation.. And any fool that rejects it. Should not bitch..They know something is up. Why this Priest is lame as watching paint dry. He doesn't offer people anything..But horsed shit.. Having a form of Knowledge. But lacking Wisdom would be my guess...
Good Luck. As this God says he rewards those that look closer. You know what I mean. If you ever seen someone that has that look. As if they are gliding on air. Nothing can phase them. They meet this God in Person...As the God of the Old Testament is the same one today. He has not changed or stopped giving people what they want. If he did change. He would not be God..
Have a Nice Day...
The idea of arguing people back into the faith really struck a chord with me. I left the faith because I couldn't intellectually get behind what I was offered. I am now being drawn back in because of conversations like this.
When you discover Aquinas and "final cause"..the end or purpose of things you will find why flowers love sunlight and we love beauty. .Final cause is Love.. God .. at the core of existence. I am so grateful to what the Catholic church has opened my eyes to. Cheers
@J Joseph and yet, despite his disagreements with this Catholic bishop, he STILL is willing to have a conversation with him in order to learn more about it, and Bishop Barron is also willing to speak with someone who apparently isn't Catholic for similar reasons. You, on the other hand, are only interested in brow beating someone who doesn't conform to whatever belief system you hold dear.
@martine look up Dr Michael Heiser on YT
How did you like the line. “Authentic faith lies at the far side of reason.” .? That was a pearl.
@martine Well, the same had happened to me, I could not accept the Catholic dogmas and left the church. Many years later I ( was) found (by) Bô Yin Râ’s “The Book On the Living God” ( the first one was actually his “The Book On the Afterlife”) which I picked up on the esoteric book shelf in a bookshop and have not searched any longer.
I think we’re witnessing the Catechism of Jordan Peterson and the Bishop’s willingness to meet Jordan where he’s at. A good model for us to follow in spreading the good news of God with others in our life.
While listening to this I suddenly remembered The Exorcist and how my reaction to that film has changed over the years. As a young man I was terrified by its depiction of supernatural evil, but as an older man I'm moved by the heroism of the two priests in that story.
I have been a Christian for 20 years and have heard my fair share of pastors and their sermons, but Peterson's diligent study of psychology and the Bible has left me in absolute awe. I have grown exponentially in my faith in Christ due to the intellectual work of men like these two in this video.
You should read the early church fathers and their sermons from the first 5 centuries of our faith
@@frankjamesiii5362 I didn't say I know anything.
@@mcspankey4810 have you listed to Charles Spurgeon? He was an awesome teacher. He was in 1800's I believe. Do you have any names in mind that you have read? I am just starting to search out earlier preachers. Thanks.
@@nunah7977 Hello, glad you asked. Read the writings of Ignatius of Antioch, 3rd bishop of Antioch and second century martyr. Another is Clement of Rome who's writings date back to the second half of the first century. Irenaeus, Justyn Martyr, Augustine of Hippo. So many early christian writers, I'm excited for you.
He does not know his bible
I'm a Ghanaian christian, and I must say this discussion has been a real blessing to me. Bishop Barron and Prof. Peterson, I don't think you can even estimate the positive impact you are making in the lives of your viewers. I wish we could have another discussion between you two. God bless you.
@Dr. Jordan Peterson clean your room and lay your bed, fraudster. Find something better to do with your life and stop scamming people.
@@bernardessem-koffie2860 SAD.
@J Joseph You are not a Bible believer either, so stop judging.
@J Joseph Quoting from the scripture is nothing special. Atheists, and even the devil himself can do the same. You are not a practicing Christian.
These 2 guys are really putting themselves out there continually. All of us need to be appreciative of their efforts.
This is probably the most theologically robust and significant conversation I've heard. Thank you.
Is anyone else noticing that Jordan is improving drastically as time has gone on since he returned? I was so worried for him, but now I feel a great peace towards the future.
Yes I've noticed the exact same thing
The first video he put out it seemed that he had been lobotomized
He mentioned in at least two recent podcasts that he just got diagnosed with severe sleep apnea and now uses a CPAP machine. The drastic difference in the last two weeks is the CPAP machine, because he can finally get some quality sleep.
Yup, I had the same thought!
I also noticed that. In the first video he seemed to have a brain damage. Now he is sharper than ever. 🇸🇪🇪🇪
And he has a tan!
"What you praise is what you pursue... and is what you become." - Peterson/Barron. Wow that's deep.
Amen
From Saint Agustine: Your love is your weight, the more you love the more you are.
@Thomist in a Teapot That is new for me.
St Irenaeus stated: “For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God” (Adversus Haereses, 3, 19, 1: PG 7,939; cf. Catechism of the Catholic Church, n. 460).
@Thomist in a Teapot Im catholic and I learned a ton from the coptics. Best dude I ever met was Coptic. You will be known by your works.
@Thomist in a Teapot yeah... When jp was pushing him on the validity of the claims would've been a great time to bring up simon the shoemaker. The coptics weren't banished so does that mean they moved the mountain?
Revisiting this vid, just wanna say Jordan's Biblical Lecture Series brought me back I to Catholicism. Lapsed Catholic for 13 years, now fully submitting to the sacraments. Praise the Lord!!!
I am a Protestant and this conversation was absolutely fascinating. It was a great chance for me to look at how I am currently living for Christ and how I need to do it better!
As a Catholic I say to you: come home.
if after this converstaion you are till a protestant, it means you have not undertsood anything!
@doesnotexist305 as a Catholic this is something we should not say to protestant brothers and sisters. I understand the point but this type of vocabulary only serves to push them away from the church. I would instead try to get them curious in the history and origins of cristian scripture. If we always just use "come home" it mostly just rolls of there back and they even sometimes disregard you more because you come off sounding arrogant and holier than thou. In my personal life I've seen more of my friends and family convert simple by saying nothing and living like Christ in everything and making the catholic faith the centre of my reality. Then talk when they initiate questions. Much love I just know the come home line only pushes our siblings further from the fullness of God's grace.
When we ask God to make us stronger He doesn’t wave a magic wand and increase our strength; He gives us a weight to lift.
So you are calling Jesus a liar. See Matthew 17:20, John 14:14, etc. Jesus - at least as the hearsay canonical gospels portray him (the gospels never claim to be eyewitness accounts, and were written decades later and in a different language) - was quite clear that we could just ask him to override the laws of nature whenever we want. Of course anyone who tests the rash claims of Jesus quickly discovers them to be bunk - so people who still want to believe in their pretend gods make up their own slogans to replace the bibles they don't read.
@@danielmocsny5066 LOL. Dude... okay, take yourself down a peg. In Matthew He’s saying that to a man of faith, there is no task, difficulty, or trial that is insurmountable. It’s a parable. The point of that passage isn’t literally that you can move a mountain, as if the laws of nature are overturned on command.
In John, read the ENTIRE passage before saying anything. In John 14:15, immediately after the verse you cite, Jesus says “If you love me, keep my commandments.”
No, he’s not calling Jesus a liar. If you read the Scripture you presume to cite, it’s written that men are tested by God with trials - occasions which challenge a man, and cause him to grow in faith and virtue.
@@TheGuiltsOfUs pray means to act what you pray. If you pray and do nothing, you are fool and idiot. Praying give us motive and strength to act.
That is a very astute and Dostoyevskian dilemma you mention, OminousImpression . In reply, respectfully, I would ask whether God cares more about the short term pain, or the long term, eternal effects for both those children and the world around them?
I have no idea why He allows it, it is certainly a hard pill to swallow as a believer. But, perhaps as mere speculation, those children die and get to be with Him while news of their pain and suffering gets brought to the attention of individuals like yourself. This then forces you to make a choice as to whether you will be like Job and carry on hoping in the fundamental goodness of the world, even though you may not always understand it, and maybe even act in charity to alleviate that suffering, or whether you will curse God and say life is ultimately meaningless.
Also remember and carefully reconcile this with the reality that Christ also says "without me you can do nothing." It is a joint effort that begins and end with God, yet we still have to lift the weights He gives us.
I returned to faith about 2 years ago. I live in England and am 45.
I attend a Church of England church in my village. It is Anglican but what would be termed as high Church.
I consider myself Anglo Catholic. Thank you Bishop Barron love your videos, really help in my learning and growing 7:11
Jordan's real willingness to learn more and more about "religion" is giving me hope, to dig deeper into my own relationship with God. This has been such an interesting conversation to listen to!!
Hey Doc, your looking better every time you post something new, and I can also see your mental sharpness returning. Great to see.
Correct 👍
Yes!
Because he is back in the fight. When we stop fighting we suffer and die. Fighting keeps you young.
Yes! It's very good to see.
His Stability argument for patterns of dominance achieved amongst the animal kingdom is a existential looking glass to understand our predicament were all in💘
"You have made us for Yourself, O Lord, and our hearts are restless until they find rest in thee" St. Augustine
"I only wish that people were as certain about what the highest good is as they are about the fact that human beings cannot be happy unless they attain it."
- Augustine, On Free Choice of the Will, Book II Chapter 9
Just wanted to add another one of my favorite quotes of his that this reminded me of.
@@Epiousios18 Regarding all things he saw even himself:
"And they cried out with a loud voice: He made us. My questioning with them was my thought; and their answer was their beauty" St. Augustine
Amen
Go the Augs!
God changes St. Augustine’s heat 360 by this versus Romans 13:13
“Make friends with people who want the best for you” - Jordan Peterson
Mr Peterson, I too suffer from chronic pain- since 2010. It occurs to me listening to you that the pain IS THE HEAVIEST CROSS. My prayers for you in bearing that load. You are not alone in it. I am in awe that you are able to do what you do in spite of it. It is inspiring. Much love ❤️ and my prayers for your salvation from the pain and many thanks for what you give to us. 🙏
I was a die hard atheist, to the annoyance of my Christian friends. But my heart changed, I found some level of peace having accepted that God exists, it took 5 long arduous years burning off the chaff, still on the journey. I always say to myself love Love, hate Hate. Its a matter of Faith that good, love and forgiveness will win in the end, nothing in my scientific background could prove that.
Had to stop the interview when the started speaking about faith..not because it was anything bad but the opposite. And so I go to the comment section to see who’s also interested in this particular spot of the conversation..faith. I think you are right there. Love is all of those things you mentioned one way or the other. Faith is a choice..you have the capacity to move in it as it’s just an extension of prior experience and evidence..but you don’t have to. JP said it was gratitude and a decision, absolutely it is. The back and forth of this very thing, with yourself and another, even God..especially God is the expression we know as love. Faith reciprocated. It must be tested and proven for it to be expressed. It doesn’t matter how crazy the choices are, that just makes it more sweet..like a mother’s love. The option for failure doesn’t even register. And that’s perfected love..casts out all fear.
The book is a marriage proposal. We give our heart to Whom we choose and it makes all the difference. God’s no different. He’s the original hopeful Romantic.
Peace to you. Hope you find your way through.
Cheers.
May I ask what changed your heart? I have people in my life who are so closed off to even hear anything about God and I am not sure how to open them up to the truth. Any advice?
but there is no god tho... hm
@@yuliyakotsiuba6695 The fear of God is the start of wisdom... my initial experience was scary, just strange coincidences and things. Quite hard to convince other people, best thing I think is be happy in yourself and your faith, my friends were very surprised by my conversion, but maybe it strengthened their own faith. I think that JPs description of life being a series of moral choices is correct, though you won't get all of them right, so gotta believe in forgiveness, the golden rule and all that.
@@yuliyakotsiuba6695 I find it always very odd today that science and religion seem to fight themselves to the death you could almost say. I'm not sure where that comes from. I'm not a very religious person myself, but I recognize the Bible as something valuable. Something that has its purpose.
Just 50 or 60 or 70 years ago and prior to that almost all scientists were deeply religious. They didn't try to disprove god, but rather to find him in describing nature better with the help of science. But at some point this changed. Was it just the Darwinian discussion of evolution that broke science and faith apart or what was it?
When you mention the Bible alone many people are always immediately blocking a conversation, because the Bible is not scientific or historical, thus it must be wrong. Well... no it isn't because it's not a scientific or historical book, it's a spiritual book that tries to express deeper truths in a philosophical sense.
Is anyone else noting how groundbreaking and important this conversation is?
The truth has always been out there, but our culture has strayed further and further from it. I hope that more people come to know God or at the very least believe in something greater than themselves.
Many of JBP's critics simply don't want to hear the truth
Yes. Jordan converted the Catholic into a Christian:)
@@hixvideo That was your takeaway? You're way off.
Yes!!! As a Catholic, this conversation brings so much hope to my heart. Everyone in their right mind knows that the Catholic Church is in a very dark crisis. Any God loving Catholic knows it and it is a great source of pain for us. Our Mother Church went astray and watching someone like Jordan point out to someone like Bishop Barron how unbelievable it is that the Church has failed to teach its own teaching, and the tragic consequences of that is really something. God bless them both. I think this conversation is way more important than any of us realize.
Yes. It’s insanely powerful
Im an ex Muslim, thank you Jordan Peterson for letting me believe im God again without the lies if Islam
I was delivered about a year and half ago and this is my first time listening to bishop barron but I’ve been following dr jp work for about 4 years now and I absolutely adore him he’s genuinely built a network that is so necessary in our modern world today , I use his lectures to navigate through a lot of aspects of my own life however I never ever use just one outlet I don’t idolize anyone but Jesus but I approve of dr.pjs theories and how he arrives to his ways of reaching a productive solutions to problems most humans encounter and I have to say I really enjoyed this video and I really like how soft spoken bishop Barron is , he makes me want to lean in and listen a little closer. Good work with spreading the good news!
Beautiful, my girlfriend stopped doing her thing on her phone to come lay next to me and listen to this. Might have been the introduction to Catholicism to her. Thanks guys.
Thats awesome to hear, that's the beauty of a good conversation.
Sad that some weirdos ended up commenting on this first.
I am a non-Catholic Christian, and I think that this is great! May our Father open her eyes to Christ in Him.
That's why she stopped texting.
Is what I would say, if I were a clever jokester...
I DROPPED EVERYTHING I WAS DOING TO LISTEN TO THIS IMMEDIATELY! TALK ABOUT A MEETING OF GIANTS!
Same!
Same been waiting for this to come out
I wonder if the have six fingers. HA!
Same, especially after watching his interview with Pageau.
@@jordanbpeterson8855 we get it, we get it...at least god is a zygerion prince.
The most brilliant thing that came out of TH-cam are podcasts like these. I love you Jordan please take care, we need you around, and don't stop writing and thinking, we all should benefit from your wisdom.
This conversation was a gift to the mind and spirit. Thank you, gentlemen. ❤️🙏💞🌈
"The Church has got to play the role of Gandalf." I love that.
Especially of Aslan
@C J B what a silly take. The church is one of the last standing bulwarks against Modernity. Stumbling is hardly comparable to a fall like Sarumans.
And, notice Bishop Barron didn't say the Church WAS being like Gandalf, rather that that was a goal, what they should strive to be.
@@jabbadabba1978 your examples of the faults of the clergy do nothing but prove that they are human and sinners. What about the church that established hospitals, schools, and other institutions of a similarly charitable nature? Does the common catholic live in opulence? The church is a body with Christ as its head. To call Peter and his successors satanic when Jesus himself said that it was a rock upon which he will build is rather satanic. Moreover, as an accuser, you are displaying one of the chief characteristics of satan. Jesus does not accuse or condemn.
@Kevin Cobb 266 Popes from Peter to Francis
@@jabbadabba1978 not always, but it is when you do it like that.
The modern world needs Jesus more than ever.
@Chill Android you should ask him
You misspelled Buddha.
@@TheGuiltsOfUs Chad Buddha.
Luke NZ - Maybe you need Jesus more than ever. 🤗
I was sleeping after watching a different YT video and in my sleep I heard this video playing and I had a dream about it and then I woke up and watched every minute of it and I’m so glad I did. This was from a year ago but is quite possibly my favorite of your interviews. The intellect, the spiritual, the psychological aspects of this conversation was phenomenal.
This video inspired me to become a person of faith. God bless you both.
I grew up as a Christian and ended up resenting it due to the lack of conversation and depth that I experienced at church. I became a vehement atheist at one point for a long while, but after discovering Jung and Peterson, I’ve come to respect religion more. It’s amazing how deep it is when great minds are interpreting it and how myopic it is when average joes do.
Sorry you were driven away like that, I know how you feel, God still loves you though so it's all good. 😉
Thanks for the replies! I also want to say that I do believe in god. Except it’s hard for me to make the leap and ascribe specific terms to “the nature of god”. Ex) god is love
It’s more of an instinct rather than something that I’ve intellectually deduced and characterized. I don’t have a specific image of what god is, but instead have the instinct that “there’s way more than meets the eye”, and that “this universe isn’t dead” is present within me.
For me, god is a very important concept that I think is linked with consciousness and humanities evolution. I think god is the limit of abstraction and what consciousness is able to conceptualize. I think god is the final product of abstraction. To me, it’s the instinct to reach for what transcends us and what is incomprehensible(whatever that might be). And I don’t think we’d have that instinct if there wasn’t any utility to it. And if there wasn’t some force driving that instinct.
Vague belief I know, but way better than being a nihilist :)
I wouldn’t say I was a vehement atheist, but I definitely experienced the same falling away and coming back to under different presuppositions. For me I had to see how far into hell I could descend without a moral guidance beyond my whim and desire.
@J W right! C.L Lewis is great along with many other theologians/pastors(Tim Keller). But also reading the bible directly is the best approach to reaching a true, in depth understanding of Christianity. I grew up very similar, and once I read the Gospels and then books like Romans I was shocked at how in depth and different of a religion it was presenting compared to what is commonly, unfortunately discussed at church and throughout much the Christian Community.
same boat here
Hello friends, I just converted to Christianity (Catholicism), never thought that i would finally conciliate faith and many intellectual fields such as history, archeology, philosophy, sociology, etc. thanks for setting this kind of conversation with intellectual people and faith people.
God bless you man! Thanks for sharing.
Welcome home Jerry!
@@kelligibbs3004 thank you, the more I discover the beauty of christianity the more I fall in love of it... blessings
@@jerryaguilar3939 God bless you, brother! The mysteries of our faith and the fullness of truth, goodness and beauty that is on offer in the Church is such an endless gift.
Welcome Home Jerry! I also joined the Catholic Faith recently too!! Definitely one of the things that blew me away was how well faith fit into my understanding of science and the universe. I’ve always been a big science guy, but something was always missing, and now I feel like the picture is complete - or as complete as it can be, I suppose, for God’s children. ☺️
This has been hands down the Best interaction between 2 brilliant men that, I have great respect for. Great Job Gentlemen.
Dr Jordan Peterson and Bishop Barron you two have exponentially increased my Faith in Good people and in Yeshuah/Jesus more than you may ever know. I would ask that the two of you please make more of these phenomenal videos helping to address hard questions for Faith and the Bible. May God pour his blessings upon you both. In Jesus name I pray, Amen!
I am amazed at how these 2 gentlemen, both giants in their own fields, come together here and exchange appearingly opposite thoughts on this level and yet still seem to reach each other, all the while enriching our understanding of both sides.
My heartfelt thanks to both. Bless you.
This fed me in ways I didn't know I was hungry. This is the discourse that needs to happen more often.
Nicely said.
Yes, there is a great need for this kind of video.
"It is written: 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"
Matthew 4:4
It comes in pretty handy that I was raised as a Pentecostal Christian, then atheist, then anti-theist, then an atheistic follower of Christ's teachings (yet again, one might say).
At least the following of Christ has come ''full circle''.
Peterson would likely interpret that verse as ''Man doesn't live by nourishment of the body alone, but by aiming towards every highest possible Good that he can aim at''
(going by how he interprets biblical verses like the Ten Commandments in Beyond Order).
Yeah thats Kinda what JP does
One of the best conversations I’ve ever watched! I’m a 22-year-old student in the UK and most of my friends are atheist/agnostic. I think Jordan does an amazing job here speaking in their language with clear honesty. Thank you Bishop Barron for providing so much insight into faith. Such a deep, meaningful, knowledgeable discussion! you both smashed it
I found this one to be equally compelling. A special conversation.
Jordan Peterson "speaks their language" because Jordan Peterson doesn't believe in God lmao
Search up Fr Chad Ripperger. Listening to him will be the biggest wake up call of your life.
I’m a 22-year old student from America, and most of my friends are the same.
If you enjoyed watching this conversation, check out Jonathan Pageau. He has a great content, also did speak with Jordan a few weeks ago.
This was an awesome pairing of minds! Love Dr. Jordan and Bishop Barron! Dr. Peterson asks all the right questions and Bishop Barron has all the right (Catholic) answers. Thank you for the wonderful dialog. Both are right about the "watering down" of the faith. It needs to make a jump up to a more intellectual, committed mission to reach not only the young, but those who were educated by that same watered down Catholicism. Thank you again.
I’m praying for the day when Jorden understands spiritually who Jesus is. That would be something to see!
I come from a catholic family but never practiced religion and i recovered my faith after listening to this man for years. I still can´t relate to the way priests talk about the bible on sundays. But after listening to Jordan i recently decided to buy a bible and start reading it. So thanks Red Skull.
Look up the homilies of Fr. Mike Schmitz!
He also has a Bible podcast, Bible in a year, you may want to check that out too!
All you need is The Bible and Christ’s words if you don’t have a good pastor and a good prayer group.
Yeshuas words are true. ““Keep on asking, and you will receive what you ask for. Keep on seeking, and you will find. Keep on knocking, and the door will be opened to you.”
Matthew 7:7 NLT
@@1SigloUno You know, this is actually happening to me and is quite astounding. The more i search to return to my faith the more this kind of things happen. Like these videos.
Practice religion? Practice faith how about that...
I came here from Spotify to encourage Jordan. I've watched him long enough to know he just wants to help people to the best of his ability. He has done more than all those journalists who slander him combined.
Jordan, don't lose heart. Thank you.
What's it like in Spotify?
@J Joseph Dont forget the forgotten Christian Melanesian populations in Eastern Indonesia like the West Papuans and us Moluccans.
“Then” = often relative to time.
“Than” = a comparison.
“Lose” = the opposite of “win”.
“Loose” = the opposite of “tight”.
EDIT YOUR COMMENT!
@@abulahab6528 thanks
@@garrettbryan2717 ✔️
I’m listening to JP talks in the wake of his being tossed off Twitter and just discovered this dialogue, which is wonderful. I am a longtime fan of Bishop Barron whose gift for explaining Christianity and Catholicism is nothing short of extraordinary. Kudos to BB for his humility during the discussion about his social media presence! He is not merely a priest with a lot of viewers and listeners: his social media presence is a close second to the Pope’s. I was surprised by JP’s lack of understanding about BB’s incredible draw. Had to chuckle when BB thanked JP for his time, since BB is an international traveler whose schedule is mind-blowing. Thanks to both men for their contributions - well done!
God Bless your heart Dr. Jordan and Bishop Baron for having this conversation shared
Timestamps:
2:22 Why the people requested this conversation | The 'Peterson' phenomenon
4:13 Objective/Subjective value and 'something else' | Biology and intrinsic morality_ Frans de Waal and chimpanzees
11:18 Evolution and The Church | Intellectual polarity between scientific and religious model of the world
18:30 Subjective perception and relativism of value | Narrative and the objective world
24:44 On defining the meaning of belief | Gratitude and faith
30:16 Identity and God | 'Unconditioned good 'and Cosmic hero narrative
35:29 Evil and 'Apparent good' | Cain and Abel, The Columbine killers
40:46 'From the abyss beyond reason comes the voice' | Suffering and Hell
49:09 Kings and Gods | Christ and proper praise to the divine
1:05:30 Church doesn't demand enough of young people | Attention and responsibility
1:11:06 Cosmic drama | Suffering and meaning | Duties of the Church
1:14:20 Moral good | The 'myth' of the New Testament and the archetype of Christ
1:22:15 Harry Potter | 'Conscience tells you when you deviate from the ideal'
1:25:40 Church attitude toward novitiates | Public hunger for intellectual discourse
1:29:53 Materialism, utopia and the need for spiritual being | Walter Ciszek
1:36:21 History | Hero's journey and Bishop Barron's entry into the Church and internet fame
1:44:10 Public reception of Jordan Peterson | Reddit AMA and the reach of social media
1:09:00 The Meaning that sustains you and protects you from corruption in times of suffering is Responsibility.
Oh man, that's an amazing job! God bless you and yours!
Hvala brate Vukasine 😉
This is great. Thank you for putting the time to make the time stamps!
Wow u are the greatest time stamper of all time.
The first 15 minutes of this talk is already more informative than the last 40 years of exposure I've had to religion.
Check out the biblical lectures! I learned so much!
You’ve got a point there.
Knock and the door shall opened unto you.
@@xunqianbaidu6917 Could I ask you why?
Watch / listen to Pastor Timothy Keller.
This is the greatest discussion I have heard in some time. Wise words
I think the world needs this more than ever. It's put me on a journey of wanting to live with Christian beliefs and values. Thanks to both of you.
"It's the love of God that lights the fires of hell." That hit me pretty hard.
First time I heard it was in the video he made a about hell. It was well explained.
It is a truly profound and shocking statement. God is omnipresent, you're either joyfully embracing Him or stubbornly resisting him so much that his love "burns" for eternity...
@@Eserr7856 no offense but it just sounds like sophism to me. Using poetic language to try to justify the eternal torture of a soul is a trick used to make the horrific concept more palatable. Let’s just say it like it is instead of sugar coating it or using metaphors and analogies. “Gods love burns for eternity and that may mean He sends His beloved creation, humans, to hell to be tormented for ever and ever out of love.” Doesn’t sound so good now, right? How about, “Gods love is so vast and infinite that even those with the blackest of hearts cannot resist Him forever.” Doesn’t that have more of a ring of truth to it?
@@jonnyw82 God doesn't send anyone to Hell. It is the person's own rejection of Him, Who is Love Itself, which makes that person end up in Hell (out of the choice of their own fee will). To reject Him is to reject Life.
I remember an atheist post years ago claiming that heaven was far hotter than hell based on the biblical description. I have always imagined hell this way too, one purifies, the other just burns eternally.
This is one of his best dialogues I have seen and I have seen almost all of his videos. I'm thanking God on my knees that he brought Jordan Peterson back to me and us.
Jordan Peterson is back online 😁🦚🦞
I don't know maybe the deepness of cristianity teaching in US is very limited. But threre is nothing here that I didnt listen from my local church since Im a kid(Portugal, Europe)
I love this conversation! I’ve been Catholic my whole life (34) and found Jordan’s works maybe 6 years ago in my later 20s and still I’m learning so much about Faith.
I think the reality is that, Faith isn’t something we can tangibly observe, but it is the root or source of our belief system. It’s like saying,”I can’t see the wind, but I know it must be blowing because I can feel it on my skin and see the swaying trees and grass.” But what takes faith further is when we say,”I can see (insert thing) but I KNOW it to be true because in my personal experience of God, He has said so!” The ultimate issue with that is what we place our faith in, meaning how we intend to and actually live it out. For instance, I’m praying for someone right now, because I believe God asked me to. And I haven’t spoken to this person in maybe 5 years, but He’s told me some amazing things about them that I would love to share. I’m simply waiting for an opportune time because they currently aren’t in a place to receive much in the way of appreciation or positive reinforcement. So I just pray. And this prayer gives me sooooo much Joy and Peace because I KNOW, by Faith, the things God is saying about this person, as beautiful as they are, are true! Maybe they aren’t in reality at this moment, but that doesn’t make them any less true.
So Faith is so much about knowing something unknown, and seeing something unseen. It takes imagination yes, but more than that, it involves love, which I say is the will and desire for the greatest good of another person, unconditional and even at time, unmerited.
Jordan Peterson, thank you, for doing this talk with Bishop Barron, I enjoy all your talks and look forward to listening to you. Looking forward to you scheduling more talks with Bishop Barron. He has many followers and has an opportunity to sway many people about the Catholic Church and you asking mind stirring question can help him better understand what and who Our Lord is to him.
God bless you and your family and may Jesus fill you with abundant graces, Peace, Love and Joy.
I have to call this dialogue beautiful. Jordan is wrestling with theological questions in public, and Bishop Barron is answering them in an unscripted way that speaks directly to the question. The humility and true confidence of both men is inspiring. I could listen to these two talk about the problem of evil all day.
The "Hound of Heaven" is on Peterson's heels. And with God there is no wasted effort.
Peterson is dog meat :) Glory Be!
Yeah, but as a Christian I have to agree with Jordan Peterson about his view of truly wicked people. Bishop Barron appears to confuse the selfishness of human nature for a search for God. Certainly, coming to Christ to receive the grace, peace, and joy and being obedient to God because obedience is necessary to maintain that blissful state, preferring that over the misery of life without God would appear to bear a selfish motive on the surface. The truly wicked, such as Cain, are those who know what is required, deliberately choose to follow their own ways, but do not want to face the consequences of disobedience. To willfully, knowingly, sometimes gleefully cause harm to another for the sake of your own pleasure and believe you should face no consequence for it is ultimate selfishness. Christ calls us to put off that selfish nature, put off the natural man, and take on the nature of God, which is charity. Charity is the antithesis of selfishness and true charity cannot coexist with selfishness. Very few have ever attained true charity. In the Bible, only Enoch's city and the saints who lived all things common in Acts acheived this. Even fewer are able to maintain a state of perfect charity, which is why the period of all things common was so short-lived.
Agree 100%. I was practically holding my breath the entire time. Truly beautiful to be able to be part of this discussion and "discovering".
Wq
So true.
As funny as it sounds... this is some hardcore church. Thank you for allowing us to join you. Truly his presence is here.
Amen!
THE OG OF CHURCHES
This is the work that regular churches wish they knew how to undertake. Regular church is mostly pious virtue signaling.
Im 45 and i love listening to John C Peterson, i like that he is very open in discussing almost every important and intellectual topic that almost nobody else has spoken before. Thank you si!
Despite all the immoral rubbish that is being forced upon the youth in the West of is heart warming to see so many young people being drawn to these discussions. The truth shall set you free.
Heavenly Father, I pray that Jordan may come to know how much you truly love him. May you heal and restore him completely and give him strength to bear his heavy burdens. In Jesus' name amen.
Magic healing doesn't exist, we know this as a fact. What i hope for is that Jordan gets better, gets the support and help he may still need. Empty gestures like 'praying' doesn't help - we know this because the catholic church did their own research into the matter.
You wanna help - be pragmatic, virtue signalling isn't doing any good.
@@RhetoricalMuse Imagine being so twisted inside that you would shit on someone wishing someone good health and love. Grow some introspection.
Amen!
@J Joseph Where have I implied that Jordan is saved? I believe that the spirit is calling upon him to accept Jesus as his saviour. Nothing more, nothing less.
@J Joseph exactly. He’s antichrist at the very least
"You were making the Bible more compelling and appealing than we were"
That is in part because academia in particular, and society as a whole, has been attacking Christianity for decades as not credible. So most have the incorrect assumption that a Christian source of information is automatically not worth listening to. Then comes Jordan Peterson and opens people up to Christianity because he is science first in his thinking and background.
The letter kills but the Spirit revives and gives life,!!! That's what Bishop Barron brings in!!!
DR Michael heiser and Ken Johnson look them guys up
Chris Moore here is right. I was raised in a pretty loving atheist family, where the feeling has always been that religious people are not even meant to be opposed or ridiculed, but rather be ignored or regarded with bafflement once in a while. To listen to a religious person was like... What a pathetic thing to do. You're considered much "stupider" because you "know" it's not true, while most of them are brainwashed as children. Anyway, curiously enough, I love literature and philosophy, and I'm the most well-read and educated in my family (things that they respect) but I'm the first one to come to Christ, which sort of drives them mad, unfortunately. I'm called to Christ morally, intellectually, emotionally and, of course, spiritually. It was embarrassing for me to believe at one time, seriously. That's how truly indoctrinated I was, that what I came to believe I almost didn't WANT to believe, just to save face - and also so I could continue living my life in apathetic morality (more than moral apathy), that is, caring about doing the right thing myself (as much as I knew how) but not enough to openly go against the mainstream.
@@monicaalba1127 i love you wrote this ...stand for truth no mater what .love n hugs Jesus is King and very real
I went through that “nested identity” thought process in grad school. I’m an artist and musician. It’s so hard so I had to answer those questions in order to continue and I came to discover beauty, truth and goodness. It was a painful process but brought me peace.
Edit: I’m a lifelong Catholic, but didn’t discover the teachings of St Thomas Aquinas and St Augustine until grad school and beyond. Got a lot of catching up to do but I’m so happy I don’t have to be afraid to ask questions because the church fathers asked them too and the answers are there in their writings to be found.
Mommy, How about getting your answers from the Bible. Nothing wrong with that.the Bible encourages studying the word for yourself. “ Study to show yourself approved unto God a workman or student that doesn’t need to be a shamed rightly dividing the words of truth” blessings as you prayerfully study His word! ❤
@@kathy4798 The church is who decided what is in the Bible and what God has to share with us. As promised by Christ.. in the bible. To bind and loose in heaven and on earth .
@@tommore3263 So you are Catholic?
I recently started listening to different talks by Mr. Peterson and really appreciate his ability to articulate such deep thoughts. Bishop Barrón is certainly no slouch and has a lot to offer. Hopefully we see more courageous men in the coming years to bring back tough teaching and challenge our youth in the faith.
I am a Venezuelan Catholic, and I really apreciate what Jordan Peterson is doing for humanity. He had help me so much in many things. This specifically dialog is so rich to hear in many aspects. My best whishes to Bishop Barron and Jordan Peterson (and sorry for my english).
A strong and heartfelt message, and absolutely no need to apologise!
Your English is great.
I'm Venezuelan as well. JP has also helped me greatly to the point on starting the quest to try finding the ultimate good in my life. Just as you said this conversation was so rich not just intellectually, morally and spiritually but also rich in English language wording which help us the non-native English speakers improve our capacity to better speak the language.
Your English is better than many English first language posters on here. 😊
Your English is better than my Spanish dude! I have just started trying to learn it because Espan YOLO, and my daughter is helping because my brain is old.
I am a big fan of Liberation Theology, so your part of the world is sacred to me. You guys practice a very powerful brand of Catholic faith with big hearts, but also with your hands. Much respect.