I think of +/-frames in terms of my opponent's next move. If i hit him with a +3, his next 10 frame move would be 13 frames instead because 10+3 = 13, and if i attack and get blocked with a -8 penalty, his next hopkick would be 7 frames to impact because 15-8 = 7. It's easier for me to analyse the sequences of moves on matches with this.
*You should have more in depth of yoshimitsu since he ignores all the frame data and safe strings which you need a seperate learning on how to fight against yoshimitsu.*
I wouldn't say he ignores them. He has specific ways around it, but Yoshi players still have to know how the game works to apply these ways effectively. Yoshimitsu is a little bit like jazz music: you can break some rules, but you have to understand them thoroughly anyway.
no keep that shit to yourselves so we can stand a chance lmao. yoshi ftw. also his "ignoring frame data" moves are so situational and often require hard reads, conditioning, etc.. and like someone else said his unblockable launcher is incredibly slow, and short range. despite the speed of flash, it's incredibly punishable if you whiff. so. again. just means you have to know your shit more if you want to effectively use those tools.
Kinda funny that I released a video a couple of hours before you. I also mention frames. I also had the same problem. The explanation was to lengthy and I felt that it originally would confuse beginners more than it would actually help them. Hence I made changes, but still felt it could of been done simpler. This is once again a great video. Keep up the good work
OKAY so Lee's 3 hit string's second hit is inescapable after the first hit connects, it has a start up of 15 frames, he's -5 after it hits if he stops the string there and doesn't hit his 3rd move. Though, you should be able to do a 10 frame punish. if you're already gaurding after BEFORE those -5frames of his disadvantage. you should be able to hit your 10 frame the instant you are able to gaurd. and his 3rd move starts up in 20 frames, assuming it starts the instant his 15 frame ends that would at best mean his 20 frame is really a 15 frame, or maybe truly a 25 frame if he has -5 frame disadvantage. then you should be able to 15 frame launch.
But you can learn frame data all you want when you’re actually playing online there is no way you can calculate the frames while the opponent is doing dozens of moves and okis. If i try thinking abt frames online i can’t do anything, so i just play mind games and traps and hope for the best
You don't learn frame data so you can calculate advantages on the fly, no one does that. You learn frame data to know which of your moves are safe on block, punishable on block, which are ch launchers, which you can use to punish the other character's moves and more importantly, what moves can push an advantage.
Amazing video as always! Bro please dont stop making videos!!! I have a bit of a strange question.. did you record the opening footage using Nvidia's Ansel mode or a camera mod?
Thanks mate; I used Cheat Engine and Ryona's camera mod. You should be able to find it if you google Bryanyora Tekken 7 camera mod. The page is in Japanese but the browser should auto-translate haha
couple questions. part way through you said you can just keep doing that forward jab over and over again until the end of the round, how do you get out of it then? also, if you do a 10 frame move and the defender is in a -10 state, who does the tie go to?
Block the first jab, then crouch or sidestep the second one before punishing. Jabs always hit high so they won't hit crouching opponents, and afaik, most crouching jabs are minus. Generally speaking if a move puts you at -3 or lower, you can utilize your movement (crouching, backdash, sidestep) to avoid them unless they have homing properties. Sometimes you might even have a move in your arsenal that can go under/over attacks that you can use if you're not absurdly minus. If you do a 10 frame move while your opponent is -10, then the move will connect unless there's some hitbox shenanigans going on.
You say you can't mash in tekken, but have you every played Eddy and mashed the kick buttons in a random rhythm? It's very abusable in my Mighty Ruler ranked fights and I dont even play eddy much.
Either mighty rulers don’t know what they doing or you lying out your teeth. Ain’t no way you just mashing two buttons that high. You know what you doing.
@@30ajgo you can get away with mashing with eddy. The worst spam friendly imo is Marduk. There is little to no consequence for spamming tackle and getting a combo's worth of damage from it plus the crazy oki he gets that allows him to loop even more grabs. That is a robbery character with a gimmick that is hard to 1+2 break even in the pro scene.
@@Messatsu01 of course you can mash with two button but not that high. Marduk is not much of a problem for me cause his good attacks take time but that besides the point. Ain’t no way you just mashing Two buttons at mighty ruler.
@@30ajgo you be surprised what you can get away with in online Tekken. I'm eternal ruler on Josie and it's a struggle when everyone fuzzy guards any switch stance mixups and invalidates her main gimmick. How I reached that high with how abusable her flaws are is beyond me.
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I think of +/-frames in terms of my opponent's next move. If i hit him with a +3, his next 10 frame move would be 13 frames instead because 10+3 = 13, and if i attack and get blocked with a -8 penalty, his next hopkick would be 7 frames to impact because 15-8 = 7. It's easier for me to analyse the sequences of moves on matches with this.
*You should have more in depth of yoshimitsu since he ignores all the frame data and safe strings which you need a seperate learning on how to fight against yoshimitsu.*
*cough unblockable low launcher cough*
no dont expose us yoshi players, we just spent the last 15 years doing button checks and obscurity is our only saving grace
@@genzo454 cough no range slow and only from fc
I wouldn't say he ignores them. He has specific ways around it, but Yoshi players still have to know how the game works to apply these ways effectively. Yoshimitsu is a little bit like jazz music: you can break some rules, but you have to understand them thoroughly anyway.
no keep that shit to yourselves so we can stand a chance lmao. yoshi ftw.
also his "ignoring frame data" moves are so situational and often require hard reads, conditioning, etc.. and like someone else said his unblockable launcher is incredibly slow, and short range. despite the speed of flash, it's incredibly punishable if you whiff. so. again. just means you have to know your shit more if you want to effectively use those tools.
I see well produced Tekken content, I like. Great work! Keep it up.
Your channel is super informative and all the videos are really well done. Thanks for the great stuff
Kinda funny that I released a video a couple of hours before you. I also mention frames. I also had the same problem. The explanation was to lengthy and I felt that it originally would confuse beginners more than it would actually help them. Hence I made changes, but still felt it could of been done simpler. This is once again a great video. Keep up the good work
This is pretty much the key to play any fighting game, not just Tekken.
No it's not
I just now found your channel and I have to say your videos are really well made! Hope you keep it up, subscribed!
I love this video. Every other channel made this simple ass concept sound way more complicating.
Jin has a 1,2,4 string that if the 4 counter hits gives u a combo of a screw
this is so well made.
This feels like school work
A good explanation of frames. Nice video.
0:59 this clip is comedy gold
I don't have frame data for this game yet but I swear characters like Lei and Howarang are not playing the same game as the rest of us
Who do u play?
@@scarysteeww Bob, Asuka & Josie
Some suggestion for masher: if needed, smash 1 jab
Law : Hold my nunchuck
Very good tip!
Tekken 7: u cant mash you are minus
Mortal Kombat 11: haha minus frames goes brrr
lmao shows how much you know about mk11
@@jaysboredmanstay mad, the game is hot garbage lmao
@@animaIpath ok nice oppinion negative frames are still negative
OKAY so Lee's 3 hit string's second hit is inescapable after the first hit connects, it has a start up of 15 frames, he's -5 after it hits if he stops the string there and doesn't hit his 3rd move. Though, you should be able to do a 10 frame punish. if you're already gaurding after BEFORE those -5frames of his disadvantage. you should be able to hit your 10 frame the instant you are able to gaurd. and his 3rd move starts up in 20 frames, assuming it starts the instant his 15 frame ends that would at best mean his 20 frame is really a 15 frame, or maybe truly a 25 frame if he has -5 frame disadvantage. then you should be able to 15 frame launch.
What 😂
Great video man!
“Why you can’t mash in Tekken”
Hworang and Eddy: *observe*
Anyways great vid!
U forgot katarina
eddie mains under the floor boards
🤣 I don't know really, but I feel that green rank Alisa player are are not much different from purple ranks for the most part 🤷🏽♂️ maybe it's just me
She seems to get away with a lot online, and her evasiveness doesn’t help either! She’s super linear on most of her moves though
But you can learn frame data all you want when you’re actually playing online there is no way you can calculate the frames while the opponent is doing dozens of moves and okis. If i try thinking abt frames online i can’t do anything, so i just play mind games and traps and hope for the best
You don't learn frame data so you can calculate advantages on the fly, no one does that. You learn frame data to know which of your moves are safe on block, punishable on block, which are ch launchers, which you can use to punish the other character's moves and more importantly, what moves can push an advantage.
you learn frames more for your character not the opponent
once again this guy does what tekken doesn't: Making a fucking tutorial
Nice, thanks for the info
I had a feeling you would slip something in about yoshi's flash just to fuck with the new players.
Amazing video as always! Bro please dont stop making videos!!!
I have a bit of a strange question.. did you record the opening footage using Nvidia's Ansel mode or a camera mod?
Thanks mate; I used Cheat Engine and Ryona's camera mod. You should be able to find it if you google Bryanyora Tekken 7 camera mod. The page is in Japanese but the browser should auto-translate haha
Massive Zug much much much appreciated! Thanks! Looking forward to your next videos!
@@MassiveZughow is frame data was a pay2win?
Anyone know what the song at the start is? Sounds familiar but I don't know where from.
You can't mash in Tekken... Unless you're playing online against 3 Bar, or Wifi Warriors. Then mashing beats everything you try.
couple questions. part way through you said you can just keep doing that forward jab over and over again until the end of the round, how do you get out of it then? also, if you do a 10 frame move and the defender is in a -10 state, who does the tie go to?
Block the first jab, then crouch or sidestep the second one before punishing. Jabs always hit high so they won't hit crouching opponents, and afaik, most crouching jabs are minus. Generally speaking if a move puts you at -3 or lower, you can utilize your movement (crouching, backdash, sidestep) to avoid them unless they have homing properties. Sometimes you might even have a move in your arsenal that can go under/over attacks that you can use if you're not absurdly minus.
If you do a 10 frame move while your opponent is -10, then the move will connect unless there's some hitbox shenanigans going on.
Your a life saver
Good stuff
thanks
Yes
Law and Eddy aren't watching this video that's why they can mash all they want 😂
1:21 WAIT, WHAT GAME IS THAT?! I REMEMBER IT FROM MY CHILDHOOD AND I NEED TO KNOW!
Looks like Phantasy Star Online
You say you can't mash in tekken, but have you every played Eddy and mashed the kick buttons in a random rhythm? It's very abusable in my Mighty Ruler ranked fights and I dont even play eddy much.
Either mighty rulers don’t know what they doing or you lying out your teeth. Ain’t no way you just mashing two buttons that high. You know what you doing.
@@30ajgo you can get away with mashing with eddy. The worst spam friendly imo is Marduk. There is little to no consequence for spamming tackle and getting a combo's worth of damage from it plus the crazy oki he gets that allows him to loop even more grabs. That is a robbery character with a gimmick that is hard to 1+2 break even in the pro scene.
@@Messatsu01 of course you can mash with two button but not that high. Marduk is not much of a problem for me cause his good attacks take time but that besides the point. Ain’t no way you just mashing Two buttons at mighty ruler.
@@30ajgo you be surprised what you can get away with in online Tekken. I'm eternal ruler on Josie and it's a struggle when everyone fuzzy guards any switch stance mixups and invalidates her main gimmick. How I reached that high with how abusable her flaws are is beyond me.
@@Messatsu01 Yeah but you didn’t say mixing you said mashing with two buttons which is not something you would get away with that high up,.
Thanks Zug
unless you are an asuka main
Still I don't get it .
Damn I'm late but do you have a schedule? Of upload
How about Lee guide?
Blasted Salami did a great guide on him.
Yesterday I was searching frame data in tekken🤣
So what do you do when an opponent spams an endless +1 jab?
1.) sidestep or backdash and jab back.
2.) duck or do a move that high crushes.
Make it whiff, the jab is only +1 when blocked. A whiff is insanely easy to punish because no blockstun.
after you defended the enemy attack just tap "1"
can someone give me the link of this video plz 1:00 i want to see this entirely lol
hesitation is defeat
Heihachi actually said that before Isshin
Um plenty of people mash all the time, successfully. And soon they'll be able to do it more.
PSO music :D
This video will probably age bad with Tekken 8.
turns out, nowadays, you can actually mash through tekken xD
the game is really balance my ass💀💀💀
CAN SOMEONE FUKING EXPLAIN WTF DOES THE VALUE BETWEEN BRACKETS MEAN PLEASE?
Except online katarina hop kicks crushes jabs when she is -6
Love this game to death but tekken online is a fucking joke
“Why you can’t mash in Tekken”
*Dislike*
Not mashing... Tekken... yeah im not buying that one
Thanks Zug