Porsche 992 GT3 Touring on-road review. Is this the GT3 you really want?
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- Porsche says the 992 GT3 Touring is mechanically identical to the regular GT3 but does it drive the same? That's what I'm keen to find out..
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Props to Porsche for sticking with the manual gearbox and remembering there’s much more to driving than simply going fast.
Great video as usual Harry, looking forward to the F40 and F50
Yes we need 40min long videos on the F40 and then F50…
I couldn’t afford the list of upgrades on this car, let alone the petrol, notwithstanding , this is a fabulous insight into a manual Porsche with Harry’s signature commentary 👏👏
People are struggling to pay there gas bills and foods for the cost for living
@@razkhan2958
Some people. A lot of people are still doing reasonably okay, despite the war and devaluation.
But don’t own Porsches or Lamborghinis.
@@kasperkjrsgaard1447 so what does it have to do with this review. Whatever Harry has is a result of his brilliance and hard work,
@@dinnaimo
I don’t have a supercar either, nor will I most likely ever get one - but I can always dream of owning one, thank God for the lottery - but whether people can afford to eat or paying the petrol is another issue.
And it really doesn’t have anything to do with this road test.
@@razkhan2958 It's true. That's why I am only buying one. I'll just keep using the SVJ as my daily.
That’s a beautiful colour combination. Flies under the radar. Stunning. Properly on my list, not that I’ll be able to get one for the right money!
Especially compared to that garish 296 GTB that Harry drove recently!
Amazing how people are in thrall to dull silvers/greys/undercoats.
the money for these now is outlandish! the list price is reasonable but retail now has gone bonkers -
@@EvoraGT430 Those flat milky grays I’m totally with you, it looks unfinished, like an undercoat. But a metallic silver is completely different. On sporty German cars in particular it has a heritage element to its appeal being Germany’s historic racing color. Reminds me a bit of Mercedes Silver Arrows from the 30s that were completely unpainted to save weight, leaving just the unadorned metal body. Not quite as authentic nowadays with all the carbon body work which obviously wouldn’t be silver unpainted, but still puts me in that mindset of the paint just fading away and leaving the curves of the car to really speak for themselves. I’m a huge James Bond fan and his cars a usually silver. And finally there’s something about the simplicity and maturity of silver that suits a German car imho, kind of a jock in a suit kinda vibe. Like a Lamborghini should never be silver but German cars usually have that more austere buttoned down character that matches a more subtle paint scheme. Ymmv of course, aesthetics are very subjective, and I kinda get the appeal of subverting expectations by painting a subtle car a bold color. But those are some of the reasons I love silver German cars.
@@grantalbrecht4577My wife had a Mk1 TT in Silbersee Metallic and the silver with a hint of electric purple in low light and the deep, shell hard clearcoat was the best looking car we’ve owned. Helped that it was the 225, black leather. Lovely car, had it a decade. Still looked new when it was sold.
It wouldn't be a relaxing Sunday afternoon without a Harry's garage video 👍
YES IT WOULD
What is a relaxing Sunday afternoon?
@@malcomthewasp ask your wife
@@malcomthewasp same cant remember the last time i realxed on sunday.. its work work work
@@MrAndyj007 always make time for yourself no matter what the circumstances are 👍
I'd love to see a half-hour video with Porcshe explaining how they can charge nearly £600 to paint callipers black instead of red.
Might be down to the Porsche accounting department. "We're in the Red" vs. "We're in the Black". 😆😆😆
Because they can…. works for Ferrari too. All it takes is for no one to take up the option, but clearly people do.
They have to disassemble the calliper, strip the red paint off, paint it black and reassemble
Don't they charge a similar amount to paint the key fob in the body colour!
Apparently painting callipers are not as easy as painting bodyworks. They need to find a way to keep the paint from stripping itself away from extreme heat exerted by hard braking.
I love that you post the price list with all options in the videos
As a young kid, I will never forget seeing a 356 convertible quickly accelerating up the hill from our yaughtclub. I was mesmerized. Years later, my 25-year-old dream came true when I bought a used 997.1 Carrera S in Speed Yellow with a 6-speed transmission .. With a few mods, it ran and sounded just like today's cup cars. This reviewed car reminds me of my 911 in many, ways. Top speed on it was an honest 175 mph @ 7000rpm (exactly) in 6th gear. Thanks for the ride down memory lane...
Harry, if you get a chance, drive a 992 Touring that’s been fettled by the chaps at Center Gravity. You’ll be amazed at the improvement on British B roads. I took mine there on the recommendation of a friend having had it for a month in which the bump steer (or tram-lining) tried to drag me into several hedge rows. Some slight tweaks to camber and roll bar stiffness have transformed it onto something far more suited to our roads.
Oh dear. I had a new 992 C2S for a year and was so sick of the ride and being pitched around on B roads that I sold it. Not heard the term bump steer before but that's exactly what mine did. It hated any minor pot hole too. Wish I'd have known about suspension tuning specialists!
Roads are not the same everywhere on the planet, so if you spend this much, getting it set up properly for the roads you drive on seems like really good advice.
@@flyingp830 could not agree more!
I have re-watched this video three times. It always puts a smile on my face. Thanks for sharing your joy with the car!
Thank you Harry. Brilliant review of a car that although inaccessible, hasn't stopped me configuring it just in case alocations change.
Incidently, just back from Northern Spain where we followed in your tracks on the Paradore route, fantastic roads and great hotels which we did not know about until seeing your coverage earlier this year.
Been looking forward to this one! Fallen in love with OPR 911 over the past 8 days and 2,000 miles, just wish Porsche would sell me one!
Do what Dale did and trade in M2 Joe!
Sitting in that car with Joe right now, amazing video Harry!
your not fanboy enough lol
gem car, gem video. harry do not change the format of these videos. there isn't much of this left on the internet.
Harry, I love that you have your own test track on public roads! It makes the reviews a lot more "real", and I very much appreciate that! Thanks mate!
That was really special. I may never be able to afford a 911 Touring but hearing it going up through the revs like that was like I was in the car driving it!
Yes you will be able to afford it ! Focus get creative manifest it you deserve it!
I’m afraid in the UK it’s purely academic as to whether you can afford it or not as you won’t be able to achieve an allocation. As Harry says if you have been a serial Porsche buyer from the same dealer you may be “considered” but even so the chance is very very slim.🤬
@@hpman911 point taken, I understand but I intend on buying one second hand, low miles. For these prices I would never buy a gt3 for 300k new until I’ve become filthy rich then maybe lol
@@commasNculture have you seen the used car prices? Absolutely astronomical I’m afraid.
@@hpman911 it will probably be more than buying new
The 911 has gotten so big you could now see it (body wise) as a 2 door Panamera.
As always another great Harry's Garage video from Mr M.
Totally agree.
@@EvoraGT430 glad to see someone else agreeing with me.
Oh wow cannot wait for the F40 and F50 reviews to drop, with Harry's insights they will be a real treat!
It is clear you were enjoying the drive. Very similar to when you drove the Boxster 4.0 GTS. That was also a naturally aspirated manual...And that is what is missing from so many new sports cars. No interaction/all too easy/all too fast as well. Not only do the cars sound good, (compared to dull turbo engines) , you also have to work at a bit at getting the performance from it.
the dull GTS rwd manual also sounded decent and it's the price of a whole boxter cheaper than this. After that Harry's video...I always wondered if a car like this touring it's worth the difference?!
I reckon boxter gts will give you 95% of the fun for way way less. Great cars
@@eugenux Cayman 4.0 is better option, not boxster. Amazing value for money.
He also greatly enjoyed the Evora and Emira.
Harry. Thanks for a more accurate review of the GT3. As a performance sports car this represent the pinnacle of perfection.
Apart from the unacceptable bump-steer.......
@@EvoraGT430 Did you sell yours?
Great video as usual Harry. I was thinking that if they run the same tyres and suspension, yet the Touring feels softer, could it be down to it having no cage in it. Surely, the shell can't be as stiff and the acoustics of having no cage reverberating noise around , must contribute to that impression of the softness change? Anyway, just something to think about. Cheers 👍👍
Yeah I'd say cage will 100% add stiffness, and because it's hard mounted to chassis will obviously also resonate a lot, basically a network of hollow tubes singing behind you. Bit alarming that the setup is inconsistent between delivered cars, definitely looks a fidget on the road...
Good thought and makes a lot of sense!
Amazing what a difference it makes to the look of the front end when its
body coloured, compared to the not as nice black bits on the GT3.
Also great too see silver wheels again, far rather them to the far too popular
black wheels you see so often these days.
Quite a beautiful car, especially in this spec. I might be proven wrong, but I think that design will stand up to the test of time and still look modern for decades to come.
Harry, I will appreciate when reviewing the F50 to show the cluster. If I recall well it was marvelous and much better than the later ones with yellow tachometer. Great review as usual.
Seems more like tramlining rather than bump steer. Bump steer is when the toe angle changes as the wheels travel up an down. Tramlining is when the wheels battle one another for grip on crowned/irregular road surfaces. It becomes much more of a factor with wide, grippy tires, which this car has.
I can tell you, beyond shadow of a doubt, the more nervous steering is 100% worth it. Turn in is superb. Masterpiece by Porsche.
The shot of the car heading up the drive with the leaves blowing about 💯
It would be interesting to measure the distance between door cards on various models of 911 to see how much of the ever growing width is caused by bodywork and crash structures vs interior space.
How ironic if you crashed it because it was too wide to get through a gap!
Finest sports car on sale today. Could go down as the best ever made!
@@chadbarbaro No way. See 12:18
Thanks for make us dream. The second time I see the video, lovely car and lovely video Harry! Long life to Porsche GT cars.
That searing engine and the gearbox, just epic, would love own one!
GREAT review, Harry is the gold standard of social media based Auto content. Could watch this stuff all day..
Can't wait to hear what he thinks of the S/T
Driving away over the leaves OH LOVELY, and a wonderful car thank you Harry.THOSE car to car shots OUTSTANDING.
Brilliant review as ever! How does it compare in the real world against the manual GTS you tested?
Love the shot with the leaves down the driveway. That engine.
Probably my favourite car of all.. Fantastic video Harry thank you! shame they'll be so rare an out of reach for most..
Having driven a 4S, a GTS and now this, I still think the GTS is the best compromise. You get back seats, it's quieter and I have to admit it took me 20 years (or did it take ZF 20 years) but I don't mind the autobox. If somebody contemplates a sportier 911, I'll say get the GTS, get the BOSE stereo upgrade (don't need the Burmester, or at least I couldn't explain the 3 grand upcharge), get the Sport Chrono pack, PASM suspension, the trick headlights, the reversing camera and be done with it. Don't spec anything 'design-' to it, it just detracts from what is otherwise a perfect little 2+2.
And yes, I was surprised too how much bigger it is than my current BMW Z4.
+you can take the GTS over a speedbump without holding your breath or paying 5 grand for a nose lift that the car doesn't need, it's a complication that will break and it's added weight.
What a fantastic car. I tip my hat to the lucky few that can afford them. For the rest of us, thanks so much Harry for making this video. Perhaps you can do a road trip in on someday.
Excellent test/review...and as a Ferrari 488 owner (former GT2 RS owner), the first thing I noticed was the F40 and F50!!! I think the last car I may own will be a GT3 Touring with the 6 speed...seems like the perfect car.
The gearbox also has a flatshift function. Just keep your foot on the accelerator and dip the clutch and the car will cut the ignition for you. You get a nice pop on the gear change then!
no it does not. common misinformation i've seen on the internet before. 991 and 991.2 indeed had it. 992 does NOT have this feature.
@@zhbroder I can 100% guarantee you. It does, my dad picked up his manual 992 GT3 2 weeks ago and it has flatshift. It's in the owners manual.
The sound is just amazing. Wow! And silver is one of the best colors I've seen on this model. 14:03 - look at that shape. So beautiful. I agree with you re the tail. They looked the best without it. And I think all the retractable spoilers from the 964 to 997 are the best.
This is the best new car, by far. And I love the little piece of black tape over the digital speedometer, cheeky old Harry😉
All it needs is the refitting of the rear seats to make it the perfect modern Porsche. Another brilliant road review of one of the most desirable sports cars “available” today
Just a shame it’s not actually “available” to 99% of potential customers in the UK !!
The Gt3 touring retains all of the sound deadening in the rear, the non touring has none. That will be the reason for the noise difference :)
Best reviewer on You Tube - thanks Harry. We look forward to every one~ Cheers from Toronto
Harry’s living the life - thanks for sharing a glimpse of it. Love the videos and have learned lot. (Does buying a Porsche coffee mug count toward buying the car?😊)
Fair review Harry. Few different thoughts. Manual is YES, but steel brakes are the way to go. Carbon if you are chasing seconds on a track (plus PDK), but it's not, its a touring in Manual. Steel gives better feeling, cheaper to replace (by far), and the brake calipers don't discolour (as carbon get too hot).
As for the drive, you need to drive it in sport mode and it gives better road feel. Aircooled 911s front end wanders as to the 992GT3, just let it!! That is their feel, it is not an issue!!
If you want adjustable seats and less noise, get the GTS.
From me it is perfect, only one thing P's me off and that is the computer. It is always binging, comes up with alerts, etc.
Can not get an allocation for touring, asked twice now.
6:30 In Canada we have this wonderful invention; they're called jacket 'pockets'. Car keys (in the era of "Keyless Start") remains in my pocket. Phone remains in my pocket. This may seem weird, but my wallet and reading glasses also remain in my pockets when I'm driving; and I'm not the slightest bit tempted to remove my wallet from my pocket just because I happen to be sitting in a car seat. Why on Earth would I feel the urge to empty out my pockets and need to find a place for my phone and (especially silly) a 'special' place for the keys? The only exception is very long (6h+) drives when the phone might need a charge. If the other passengers can manage to sit down without emptying their pockets, the driver should be able to do so. I find it strange that some people need to empty out their pockets every time they get into a car. Strange behaviour. :-)
Really value the honest reviews, but also enjoy spending a few minutes in Harry’s presence.
A really animated video, Harry. Safe to say, you enjoyed the car. Thank you.
Great video ! This 4.0 NA engine sounds brilliant ! You're probably my favourite car reviewer ! Keep up the good work and wish you all the best from Romania !
You have to wonder how a company like Porsche ends up with that gear lever vs cupholder situation o_O
Cupholder designed for auto / pdk, and they didn't bother to change it for the manual lovers, I guess
Certainly one of the best reviews around. Concise, observant and practical, not all about numbers and launching.
Sounds absolutely wonderful. Shame you can’t get one unless you have the list price plus £100,000.
Definitely can in Europe excluding UK. Ofc history of prev 911 purchases are required, but unlikely you'll be buying it as first porsche
@@atom999 🖐️
Lovely to have a car that is actually a driver's car with a manual 'box and not DSG or PDK. With no turbo lag and normally aspirated to 9k, must be an absolute pleasure.
It is a GT3 after all, so it's inevitable it'll be lively.
If you're after an easy drive, buy an S Class.
Great review and excellent spec on that car, bar the seats.
Thanks for the advice 🥴
Your life is only white or black ?
@@lollypop9580 No, it's a case of the right tool for the job.
As your winged GT3 was a CS....it had a welded in cage...that would certainly make it stiffer all around and through resonant vibration would certainly introduce more noise to the cabin, albeit a very small amount.
Perfect as always!!!
What I like the best about 911s is not the cheer power or the raw performances, it's the control, the fact that you are in control, and naturally I only have manual gear 911!
As a side-effect you need to stay in control...
Silver wheels!...just a stunning car..I’d have a colored caliper..( just me)..
One of these in front of me on the M80 down from Dunblane this evening. Gorgeous machine, and the sound as he sped off was fantastic.
Sickeningly young-looking driver, enough to make you green with envy!
Bitcoin youngster. 😁
Ok it may be compromised (what car isn’t ) but it doesn’t half look good, I actually like the way the rear end looks. I definitely wouldn’t have the fixed buckets! Great stuff Harry as always!👏😀👍 ps if Porsche could reduce the tyre roar from inside the cab, it would be a true touring alternative, especially with access to the rear seat space for luggage etc 👏😀👍
It should ideally be optional having rear seats installed. That would be my dream spec GT Touring
The black callipers are bizarre. My Boxster has black callipers because I wasn’t prepared to spend hundreds of pounds for red ones. Porsche win every way.
I suspect the bushings might be different compared to a normal GT3 and that might be what gives that extra compliance and NVH reduction.
i had the same thought.
wrong … Identical suspensions
I'm a little skeptical that this car is actually softer as the suspensions are supposed to be identical. Could it be Harry not quite remembering since so much time elapsed between the two drives? Could it be the weather somehow? Though colder weather would make rubber bushings stiffer. Maybe tire pressure? One thought, though I would think this might only be felt at higher speeds is maybe the extra downforce on the regular GT3 compresses the suspension more and without that extra compression from the big wing the Touring's springs might offer more actual travel? Yeah, that's the theory I'm going with for now....
@@brianhimmelman420 that certainly seems to be the case. Evo and Piston Heads both noted the same difference between touring and non-touring, PH were told it was down to Cup 2 vs Pirelli rubber, but the GT3 Harry drove was on Pirellis the same as on the Touring. I wonder if the cage made a difference? It would certainly increase the amount of acoustic ingress, but I struggle to think that it would make such a difference to the driving dynamics and ride comfort.
The fact that Harry recorded a significant difference in the in-car noise leads me to believe it isn't just a case of bias on Harry's part.
@@howarddavies136 the scaffolding inside the car makes a big difference as it resonates etc ..
Did I just watch a 5 minute short? Guess this is one of those moments when time absolutely flies when you’re having fun. What a great review! Maybe Porsche can give you the car for a road trip to some appropriate driving roads in the south of France?
I wish my friend would ask me to park his F40 and F50 in my garage. Love the old turbo mudguards on the GT3.
Just for comparison, in around 1990... My last year of high school I was working as a lot attendant at Costco. Before then called Price Club in Toronto, Canada. A gentlemen arrived in a 930 Turbo with... 345, 17inch, 35 series tires at the back of his monster. On three piece BBS wheels as you do. I'd never seen a tire that big in my life. Granted my hands are small but, the dish had to be the entirty of my hand and half way up my forearm. I never thought I'd ever see a bigger tire than that, and I really haven't. They had to be aftermarket, glass fenders. It's been a very long time and it is possible I may have the size and series wrong but... They were 345 large that's for sure. You never forget a number quite like that. Pure craziness.
Great video as always! I know on some foras the tire pressures of the winged car was discussed. Did you check them on this car?
Oh, and regarding the alignment from factory: I’ve bought two new sport Porsches the last 5 years and both had alignment out of spec (!) from factory….
Valuable information !
Another brilliant video from the number one you tube car channel
Another great video Harry! Superb machine but it's HUGE! 😳 What an engine though! 👍🏻😍
Running my touring in over the winter then it’s off to explore the 9000 rpm many thanks for the video glad you enjoyed the touring
If you are in the UK how did you manage to get an allocation?
@@hpman911
Previous gt3 gt4 spyder all traded back to porsche dealership in uk .My dealer had I believe only an allocation of3 touring so knowing the sales advisor / manager helped .waited though over 12 months for the car had previously enquired about the 991 touring but no slot available,so be patient and prepared to trade up the ladder of models .Also drive a cayenne hybrid coupe again this purchase helps expensive but with it
Wow, that sound reminds me of the 917's back in the day👍👍. Not sure what the new noise cameras will think of it😂
I never really liked Porsches but they now look fantastic. I never thought their engine's sang but boy they do now. I've always respected that the 911 was the industry standard but never got hooked. This video has convinced me how wrong I was.... Thanks for the video. Just been to see Mickey Flanagan in Portsmouth so rushed back to watch this. A great end to a rainy Sunday.👍👍👍🚙🚗
long story short the Cayman is actually now the 911....The 911 (as called) is now simply an out and out supercar.....Buy the cayman
911 will always be the one to go for end of story.
@@johnguidetti5839 100% depends on the course for your horse Spazmatron......
"Now the great thing about GT3 992 for is that you can buy..." yeah, nah Harry. The rest of us non motoring journalist civilians can't get an allocation for Porsche GT cars.
The £3,800 for the bucket seats may be more appropriate for the over caffeinated weekend track crowd. Daily driving might be easier with the adjustable sports seats. Spending £580 on black calipers is also a stretch. Other than that it’s a BEAUTY!
What a great vid again. I'm always waiting on the part were you turn right and rev the hell out of a car. No disappointment today.
No wonder Chris Harris owns a Touring, when h looks at it or drives it, he smiles like a schoolboy talking about a sweetheart.
Now I want one, thanks to you Harry!
So hard to tear your eyes away from that f40
I don’t know if will ‘ever’ look anything but absolutely stunning 😍
What a glorious sound!
What a great car! The sound is just wow! Love it. Thanks Harry!
The Porsche 911 is the highest-ranked model for trouble-free ownership in the J.D. Power 2022 Vehicle Dependability Study. With proper maintenance this 911 should last for ever
What a beauty! Just yesterday Alexander de Pooter posted a similar spec on his channel. I love the color & low key design.
Oh that sound! Love it. I owned a 71 911S back in the day. Comes alive at 5 I would say
I can’t help thinking the “Touring” appellation is a cop-out, especially when what Harry is driving with great delight in this review is actually the benchmark for the 2022 911 series. The car seems to be saying, “Touring? Well, tour THIS!” I love it!
My number one car right there! Thanks Harry, you always nail these videos. The GT3 engine is an absolute masterpiece. It sounds glorious.
N on mkmyi
Thanks Harry. I didn't hear a word you said. I sure do miss my 911
My goodness, that sound! Magnificent.
What a wonderful video. Just everything without the bling, tricky tech or track times. Crucially, a massive smile, I could feel the enjoyment and enthusiasm. Love that gearbox and engine combination. Lottery garage must have.
It would also be nice to see Harry review less expensive and less unobtainium cars. I'm not asking him to go all What Car on us but some cars that us normal people might be able to afford would be good...
Hi Harry, Subsequent to my comments concerning your first 992 GT3CS review and now this review of the 992 GT3T:- You could have adjusted the first car to steer exactly as the second, the suspension is adjustable and all three GT3 models (Komfort, Touring and Clubsport) have the same suspension parts. The GT3RS is very different to the other three models and does not share any suspension parts. At your road test speeds there was no aero load. On the Touring it is not allowed to adjust the front aero to increase grip as oversteer caused would catch out inexperienced drivers. On the Komfort and Clubsport both the front and rear aero can be adjusted independently, unlike the RS! So as to change the balance from understeer to oversteer. My own car is a manual lightweight Komfort with a carbon PP drivers seat and a standard passenger seat so as to access the luggage void behind the front seats and recline, to sleep, on a road trip. If you are in SW France in a 992 GT3 it would be interesting to drive your roadtest car and my own.
If I was in the fortunate position of being able to get a 911, the Touring is definitely the one I’d go for. Not a fan of the 992 GT3 rear wing, the Touring is a cleaner looking design which I prefer
The best thing is I can see the DNA in my 997 base model. I feel like Harry everytime I drive it and that is priceless.
Hey Harry! I thank you for the short update about the F40 and F50. I'm relly looking forward to hear about them!
Drivers delight . That's the best definition for this car
Agree totally regarding the spec. Love it!! The silver wheels are perfect
Apparently a visit for an alignment and putting the Turbo S tyres on makes all the difference
Tremendous loving that Manual Gear box ❤
Love it but what's the point in mentioning the list price when you can't get one for that unless you've met the ridiculous criteria of buying 354 other Porsches at list price before you can get an allocation.
Love it! Love it love it love it love it!
Thank you , Harry for giving us this review! Thank you , Porsche, for giving us this car!