1970-71 Leeds v West Bromwich Albion, full highlights not just THAT goal

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  • Plenty more went on in this match. 2 goals ruled out for offside, a linesman hit, Alan Merrick had a close encounter with some chairs!
    Bremner, Hunter & Charlton were their usual unpleasant selves. Watch out for the smiling St.John's ambulance man after Astle's goal. Obviously not a fan of Revies bullies!
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  • @johnburns4017
    @johnburns4017 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    *1)* Suggett was in the Leeds half walking towards his own goal with no one between him and the Leeds goalkeeper.
    *2)* Suggett is not influencing play.
    *3)* Play is in West Brom half with Leeds having possession.
    *4)* In the West Brom half Hunter gave the ball away hitting Brown.
    *5)* The ref is perfectly placed, being in the West Brom half.
    *6)* The ball ricochets off Brown into the Leeds half.
    *7)* At this point Suggett was facing the West Brom goal.
    *8)* Brown runs after the ball, making contact with the ball in the Leeds half.
    *9)* Brown keeps moving _directly_ forward.
    *10)* Suggett turns 180 degrees when seeing the ball coming into the Leeds half then runs _diagonally_ left, not directly towards the Leeds goal.
    *11)* Suggett never touched the ball.
    A perfectly legal goal by the rules of the game at the time. The ref seeing Suggett was not influencing play when the ball ricocheted off Brown, played advantage. Excellent refereeing

    • @purpledragons1146
      @purpledragons1146 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Influencing play was very different to how it is today. Given the rules of the time Suggett was straight offside and it shouldn't have been a goal. Why do you think the commentator and the Leeds players were so amazed it was given?

    • @EvoGoody
      @EvoGoody ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@purpledragons1146 Because they didn't know the rules.

    • @user-ty4gw9cr4n
      @user-ty4gw9cr4n ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@purpledragons1146 Also the other part of the law at the time was "seeking to gain an advantage by being in the position they were in". That fact was clearly not the case here. The decision was absolutely sound. The second pass however may have been offside - hard to tell from the camera angle.

    • @dazzla84_ssfc
      @dazzla84_ssfc หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@user-ty4gw9cr4nyeah, the only way it could be offside is if the ball was passed to Suggett
      However its not seen on the camera angles where Astle was when the ball was passed to him to score, if he was in front of the Leeds defender, then surely he could be flagged for offside

  • @WBA729
    @WBA729 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My Dad is from Yorkshire he moved to the West Midlands upon meeting my Mom. So all of my family followed him by becoming Leeds fan's, except for me being West Brom. So this game is obviously remembered by us. It's ironic that I was born in 1971 too. However apart from us helping to send Leeds down in the early 80's it's been them with most of the bragging rights since this game. Even a few years back when Albion beat Leeds 4-1 at the Hawthorne's, then only for us to loose the away fixture 0 - 4. 😢
    Also my Mom is Birmingham City so they took us to the infamous 1985 game. Me being young I was still unsure if I should follow Dad's Leeds or Mom's Birmingham. After that day I couldn't support either side, hence why I chose the mighty Baggies.

  • @a.m.armstrong8354
    @a.m.armstrong8354 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Tony Brown,what a great player!

  • @derekallen3636
    @derekallen3636 9 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    This is a priceless piece of contrast with the 'Modern' game. The Goalies with no gloves, the condition of the pitch. Then there's the Bremner flying elbow - no action from the ref., Hunter chops the guy down at the half way line when clean in - just a free kick. And what about at the end when the Baggies left back goes clattering into the deck chairs set up next to the touch line!! GREAT post...

    • @garsm2290
      @garsm2290 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well said.

    • @wuffothewonderdog
      @wuffothewonderdog 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The referee had been bribed as usual by Revie to ignore any fouls by Leeds.

    • @Colsoloact-po9wv
      @Colsoloact-po9wv 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wuffothewonderdog How many of you cried foul when the Leeds defender passed back to Sprake? Of course back then you could pass back for the keeper to pick it up!

    • @voice_of_reason5604
      @voice_of_reason5604 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      100% agree. An absolute classic.

    • @mikewest1542
      @mikewest1542 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Indirect free kicks when there should have been a penalty, weird rules then !

  • @TheGiantKillers
    @TheGiantKillers 11 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I remember Jack Taylor, the most respected ref of the time being asked to call this and his verdict was [quote] "The lad {Suggett} was offside, however the referee can only call offside if a pass is made and there was no pass. As for the second pass [there was also a suggestion Astle was offside] The scorer ran from behind the passer, redering him onside. I believe Mr Tinkler was absolutely correct."

    • @scherben8870
      @scherben8870 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So do I.

    • @charliemarie4360
      @charliemarie4360 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Exactly, no pass was made - so no offside.

    • @johnburns4017
      @johnburns4017 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hunter hit the ball which *ricocheted* off Brown into the Leeds half. Brown made no pass forwards. Brown chased the ball into the Leeds half, making contact with the ball in the Leeds half.

    • @lizkarma4950
      @lizkarma4950 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@johnburns4017 you are applying the rules of today to then the guy was offside whether a pass was made or not in them days there was no consideration for whether the offside player was coming back or interfering look at the charlton free kick if you apply todays rules thats a pen

    • @johnburns4017
      @johnburns4017 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lizkarma4950
      You need to look up the rules of then and now.

  • @Busybee65
    @Busybee65 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    It was not offside the WBA goal.

  • @itsme-gm9oi
    @itsme-gm9oi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Billy Brenmers flying elbow throw back would of got him a 5 game ban today and ref back didnt say a word to him. Theres been some real humdingers of games between leeds and west brom over the years. Two proper teams with history

    • @mizofan
      @mizofan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      McCreadie did a flying kick to Bremner's head in the Chelsea box in the FA Cup final replay 1970, and the ref just waved play on0 that was a great pair of games, the 2nd notoriously dirty, half the players would have been sent off today

  • @mwain66
    @mwain66 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I wish football was still like this brilliant commentaries and noisy crowds who needs var 😃

  • @someoneorother2222
    @someoneorother2222 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    "The Yorkshire spirit coming to the fore." That's a polite way of describing what happened here.

  • @DazedConfused1969
    @DazedConfused1969 10 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    that was more entertaining than the whole champion league matches last season, wow.

  • @stewartwest347
    @stewartwest347 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Astle's goal was onside. Referee and linesman got it right. Not interfering with play. No whistle innit. Leeds plonkers. Need to play to the whistle as Astle and Brown did.

  • @cosi5687
    @cosi5687 11 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I am a Liverpool fan, and can say hand on heart that this Leeds side was undoubtedly one of the best footballing sides to have graced this fine Island. Yes they were a brutal side who could dish it out but that was the way the game was played back then. No softie rolling around the pitch, just men bouncing back up and getting on with game. As for the offside, definitely YES in this era. Peter Lorimer's disallowed 30 yard screamer in the 1975 European Cup Final is testament to this.

    • @problemeliminator1343
      @problemeliminator1343 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lorimers European Cup final goal was no-where near being a 30 yarder, 15 maybe. As to whether it should have stood, these decisions were down to the referees interpretation, a case can be made for offside or not-offside for both that goal and Astle's in this match.

    • @martinrdg
      @martinrdg ปีที่แล้ว

      The referee was Michel Kitabdjian and was bribed apparently. He refused 2 clear penalty appeals from Leeds.

  • @paultaylor7082
    @paultaylor7082 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I used to do work at Lancashire Cricket Club, regularly seeing Jim Cumbes who was by the 1990s the Club Chairman. A nice guy, and a pretty good goalie.

  • @soundofphiladelphia311
    @soundofphiladelphia311 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    When pitch invaders wore suits and ties 😂

    • @tonyschumacher-jones1540
      @tonyschumacher-jones1540 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, how bloody odd, eh?

    • @iainclark5964
      @iainclark5964 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was just thinking that!

    • @paultaylor7082
      @paultaylor7082 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nowadays they'd be lucky to be even wearing T shirts, showing us their beer guts.

  • @mizofan
    @mizofan 9 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I remembered the controversy over offside but not that Hunter and Charlton errors were crucial.

  • @johnburns4017
    @johnburns4017 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    _What people forget is that Leeds were already losing before that goal was scored, and they were playing badly. Now it's true that one of the West Bromwich players, Colin Suggett, had been standing in an offside position when Tony Brown intercepted a pass and raced clear of the Leeds defence. My linesman raised his flag straight away but I waved him down - the ball never went anywhere near Suggett. He saw my signal, but the problem was he didn't move. He should have lowered his flag and tried to keep up with play. Because he didn't move, several Leeds players wrongly assumed that play had stopped. I was known for always playing advantage, that was the way I refereed. This was no different. Of course now it wouldn't be an issue - everyone would know that Suggett wasn't interfering with play. Ken Ridden, who used to run the line for me and became the FA's representative on Uefa, always said I was a man before my time._
    _Brian Clough was at the match, with Peter Taylor, and he agreed with me._
    - Ken Tinkler (the referee)

  • @holmleighnyd
    @holmleighnyd  12 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    You are absolutely right AjRhCp, no pass was made, the Albion player intercepted the ball and then took it on himself. What threw the linesman was how far the ball went ahead of Brown before he ran on to it. Referee was spot on.

  • @Feyenoord_Albion4927
    @Feyenoord_Albion4927 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Barry Davies condoning pitch invasions. Love it!! Grown men trying to attack an official is "Yorkshire Spirit", apparently.

    • @mizofan
      @mizofan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Did he support Leeds?, i wonder

    • @fkthelefties
      @fkthelefties 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mizofan Barry Davies is a confirmed Tottenham supporter, he was however a lover of great football teams, however dirty Leeds were or were not. I liked that Leeds team, despite their some of their tactics, and not supporting them.

  • @carpediem4290
    @carpediem4290 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Beautiful play. Really authentic football. Pitiful and wrong behavior of public...on my opinion goal was legal. Salutes from Spain.

    • @nigelstansfield1644
      @nigelstansfield1644 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jeff Astle was offside.End of.Don Revie never got over this.

  • @craiggerrard5117
    @craiggerrard5117 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Tony Brown's goal was brilliant and it's a pity that it gets ignored when the highlights of this match are usually shown. Glad to see it here - I think it might be the first time I've ever actually seen it, because we were on holiday in Ibiza when this match was played. Came back and saw the scores and couldn't believe this one. I was a Liverpool fan who regarded Leeds as THE top team, almost superhuman.

  • @horsefish2525
    @horsefish2525 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Without such matches Leeds would win the title and everybody would forget it. This will be remembered. No other team was so exiting [with their failures too] as Rievie`s Leeds was. Personally I remember as year after year you could get a heart attack. Write to you a Leeds fan from distant Poland and since 1968 Boxing day when was listing to BBC World Service [Btw I first met English football when Polish Górnik Zabrze played Manchester Utd with Best, Charlton and Law but fall in love with Leeds]. The climax was in 1970 when my Polish team Legia, Leeds Celtic and Feyenoord were in semi final of European Cup, then FA Cup with Chelsea

    • @nigelstansfield1644
      @nigelstansfield1644 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is priceless.Good to know you follow the whites from far away,and long before Solidarnozc(?)Do you still follow?

  • @paultaylor7082
    @paultaylor7082 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jimmy Cumbes, former boss at Lancashire County Cricket Club and a great goalkeeper, as well as cricketer for Worcestershire. I met him a few times when working at Old Trafford cricket ground, a nice guy.

  • @edmcguigan3501
    @edmcguigan3501 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    West Brom goalie did well to get out of the way of Clark's shot. Harder to let it in than save it.

  • @63Baggies
    @63Baggies 11 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    A hard game for hard men?
    Wonderful to see a young Bomber Brown on the scre sheet....

  • @mizofan
    @mizofan 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    R.I.P Gary Sprake, He was a fine goalie as he showed here.

    • @kevinhiggins3080
      @kevinhiggins3080 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, he was.

    • @wuffothewonderdog
      @wuffothewonderdog 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He was the only honest Leeds player, who was willing to say that Revie was bribing referees and teaching his team how to cheat and maim opponents.

    • @shanewright2772
      @shanewright2772 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hate to be the dog in the manager, but Sprake and Harvey were the weak links in those great sides. if they had of had the good sense to buy any one of half a dozen better keepers, they'd have been invincible.

    • @Lord_Hillcrest01
      @Lord_Hillcrest01 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Some good saves by sprake . But he was only an average keeper.

    • @JohnJohn-zn8ib
      @JohnJohn-zn8ib 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@shanewright2772 you could say that about a couple of players too.

  • @speakfreeley4473
    @speakfreeley4473 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The indirect free kick in the penalty zone & the furore it caused helped change the rules for incidents in the penalty box. If any incident, no matter how minor it was occurred towards the attacking team when in the box it became a straight penalty. Also Sugget's disallowed goal for offside wasn't so than the one Astle scored seconds later. In Sugget's case he looked dead level with the Leeds defenders when the ball went past him, meaning no offside thus legitimate goal. Leeds likely wouldn't have complained about that one had it been a goal & even if they did they wouldn't have been riled by it for long.

    • @grant4468
      @grant4468 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is just not true. There are still indirect free kicks in the box.

  • @holmleighnyd
    @holmleighnyd  11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Didn't realise Tinkler was the ref that day at Oldham. That was quite a day out.

  • @garsm2290
    @garsm2290 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Tony Brown was around for ages ... great goal.

  • @anunusualironiccircumstanc2108
    @anunusualironiccircumstanc2108 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    COYB! Lords my shepherd!

  • @19sept76
    @19sept76 9 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Looked like a fair goal to me. The rule was in those days that a player had to be interfering with play to be offside. The referee decided he was not interfering with play. Therefore the only decision was a goal.

    • @tonybates7870
      @tonybates7870 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Are you sure? I thought the law was different in those days, and if ANY player only had one opposing player between them and the other team's goal they were deemed offside
      (at least from what I remember). And surely Astle was interfering with play - he got the goal! It seems weird anyway - to me if a player's on the field, he's interfering with play. Barry Davies seemed pretty adamant, and he must know more than a little about the game. Still, part of me wants this to be an injustice, because it allowed Arsenal to do the Double, and I'm a Spurs fan!

    • @19sept76
      @19sept76 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      The law today, I believe, is that a player must be interfering with "active Play" to be offside, which seems to clarify the law to some degree. There have been many other slight changes over the years since.
      It seems to me that it is all about interpretation. The referee is allowed the final decision. Many footy tans have said the same as you, that he must be interfering with play if he is on the field. That's ok with me, perhaps the FA should have clarified the law better.
      I class myself as a football fan and sportsman first. I only express my opinion. I have followed football for over fifty years

    • @tonybates7870
      @tonybates7870 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      stanley james Yes, I'm sometimes unclear on this. The incident looks absolutely outrageous, and I thought so at the time, though I was about 8, so how much I knew then I'm not sure! Love the way Davies says the Leeds fans "have every right to go mad". He sounds like he's going slightly mad himself!

    • @Farerets
      @Farerets 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tonybates7870 Astle was not even on the Leeds´ half! And he had like three Leeds players in front of him!

    • @tonybates7870
      @tonybates7870 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Farerets
      Suggett was the one offside, wasn't he? And he was definitely in the Leeds half. The rules have been changed a few times since then, though. This cost Leeds the title, which doesn't bother me, but it handed the double to Arsenal, which does . . .

  • @jackdalton544
    @jackdalton544 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It was hard to get a booking in those days !

  • @mjb4983
    @mjb4983 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Leeds United lost many games because their players were aggressive. Having said that they never deserved to lose the European Cup Final of 1975

  • @AjRhCp
    @AjRhCp 12 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Good on you lads, showing a Leeds team at the time that two can play at that game. The only problem with this incident is that the Linesman flagged offside, the referee correctly said it was onside (there is no pass, and effectively the ball is played forward from a deflection so there was no intent to gain advantage from an offside position). If Leeds played to the whistle, they wouldn't have needed to cry about it.

  • @ysgol3
    @ysgol3 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Hilarious to see Bremner failing to do a Hand Of God right at the end, unnoticed by the hysterical Barry.

  • @charcharfam4385
    @charcharfam4385 7 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Could Barry Davies be any more biased

    • @mizofan
      @mizofan 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      just what I was thinking

    • @wuffothewonderdog
      @wuffothewonderdog 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Could anyone be more ignorant of the laws of football than the overpaid Barry Davies?
      Brown did not pass to Suggett, instead he continued chasing the ball that had rebounded forward off him.
      Leeds manager Revie had been bribing referees for years to turn a blind eye on Leeds fouls and cheating. That's why Bremner's elbow did not mean a sending off.

    • @abrindley7265
      @abrindley7265 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Absolutely incorrect, Suggett clearly makes a move towards the ball. A very simple way to come to a decision is to watch player reactions, Brown himself stops his run due to knowing that Suggett was offside.

    • @Lord_Hillcrest
      @Lord_Hillcrest 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @jwgeezer Total fabrication , Revie had too much respect for Bill Shankly.

  • @holmleighnyd
    @holmleighnyd  13 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    To loosely quote Orwell: All teams played that way, but Leeds played that way far more than others. Except Southampton,

  • @suffern63
    @suffern63 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    3:40 Bremner's elbow,welcome to the 70s

    • @cen2s2s
      @cen2s2s 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      As someone fully accustomed to the modern game, my initial response to that was "FUCKING HELL!!!!!"

    • @cen2s2s
      @cen2s2s 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      As someone fully accustomed to the modern game, my initial response to that was "F*CKING HELL!!!!!"

    • @AH-be6bu
      @AH-be6bu 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pissed myself laughing when the free kick went Leeds’ way! Nowadays what Bremner did would get you a straight red and a six match ban.

    • @corinth492
      @corinth492 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      He's responding to persistent fouling and targeting by the West Brom team, it's justified

    • @scherben8870
      @scherben8870 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@AH-be6bu Well he got an eleven match ban three years later.

  • @rynabuns
    @rynabuns 9 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Eh… the offside rule must've been different back then because the goal would be perfectly legit if scored today! I was wondering what all the fuss was about…

    • @schoolie
      @schoolie 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      how ?. the last pass is forward to astle in an offside position. leeds were robbed

    • @johnruby2922
      @johnruby2922 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Ryan Lau In those days if any player was behind the last defender he was a juged to be offside , weather he touched the ball or not

    • @eileenhughes7251
      @eileenhughes7251 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ryna Lau but it wasn't legit then was it idiot!!!

    • @statto74
      @statto74 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You cannot see if Astle was ahead of the passer when the ball is played so that is purely speculation.

    • @nickclapham1336
      @nickclapham1336 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      statto74 I was there, he was OFF!

  • @72moon
    @72moon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love seeing this sort of stuff from the 70s. Back in an era when goalie gloves were not for everyone.

  • @peterpeterxxo
    @peterpeterxxo 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the biggest 'hardman' in this match were those chairs on the touchline..oww.

  • @albionite7982
    @albionite7982 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    WBA also had another goal disallowed. Oh Dear.....

  • @paultaylor7082
    @paultaylor7082 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Play to the whistle, like they do now. It's a moot point that when the ball came off the West Brom player, it was more of a ricochet, that it was a pass to Colin Suggett, who admittedly was in an offside position.

  • @andysmith8890
    @andysmith8890 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good goal..linesman shouldn’t have flagged but you play to the whistle ......poor by Hunter is what the Leeds fans should have concentrated on

    • @johnburns4017
      @johnburns4017 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The linesman does flag then it is up to the ref to decide. The linesman did not keep up with play standing still. That confused the Leeds players and crowd.

  • @paulbelfastlimerick
    @paulbelfastlimerick 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That looks like PC Alf Ventriss escorting that man in the suit, off the pitch at 6:50😂!

  • @Maryonpark
    @Maryonpark 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    All the players looked about 45 back then lol

    • @mizofan
      @mizofan 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      They had shorter life expectancies. 45 is the new 35

    • @derekmullings1507
      @derekmullings1507 ปีที่แล้ว

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @ppuh6tfrz646
    @ppuh6tfrz646 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    3:39 An elbow by Bremner.
    He'd be sent off for that nowadays.

  • @Pragwo1f
    @Pragwo1f 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Thanks for a brilliant posting. Just as Barry Davies' commentary at Heysel was magnificent, here it was a disgrace. 'Leeds have every right to go mad', 'The true Yorkshire spirit coming out'. Hideous...I'm glad that the following season those of us at the opposite end of the Black Country ensured Cloughie's Derby won the League. Of course, that famous match hit the headlines for alleged attempted match-fixing...

    • @trippy1198
      @trippy1198 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      pragwo1f go to spec savers you bell end lol

  • @carlbarrett8493
    @carlbarrett8493 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's happening again 52 years later between Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool

  • @statto74
    @statto74 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Still see no evidence of wrong doing by the referee here, Brown doesn't pass the ball to Suggett so his position is irrelevant, Brown is just dribbling the ball, so Suggett is not offside. You cannot see Astle's position when Brown does finally pass the ball so that is inconclusive too.

  • @cornerhouse8471
    @cornerhouse8471 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Modern technology might have also shown that Suggets goal wasn't offside.

  • @MrTamaguy
    @MrTamaguy 13 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Is Eric Idle the announcer? Quality stuff, that.

    • @mikewest1542
      @mikewest1542 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well spotted , I think Eric Idle based his whole career on Baz Davies 😂😂😂

  • @paulthompson8996
    @paulthompson8996 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So difficult to know whether the decision was correct, as the game had to be played according to the Rules at the time. However just had a look - I assume West Brom won 2-1? - and had the goal been ruled out Leeds would have won the league, as they would have won on goal average over Arsenal (or on goal difference now, either way they just pipped Arsenal).
    Aside from that, it's fascinating as an example of how the game was played then, and it does offer evidence that the game is better now. Firstly, the pitch is terrible (and there were far worse pitches around in those days) so hard to show proper skill. Secondly, the free kick within the area is ridiculous, the 'wall' is about 6 yards from the ball, they should have been back on the goal line almost, and although one player runs out twice before the ball is kicked he doesn't even get spoken to, let alone a booking. The referee was useless. Thirdly, there is blatant foul play that doesn't even get a booking (Hunter in particular), so of course it carried on from game to game as there was no punishment.
    It's a testament to the best players that they were able to rise above being kicked and hacked at game in game out, on the dreadful pitches, but overall, and many will disagree with me, for all the nonsense that goes on (diving etc) I think football is better now. Until VAR destroys it anyway.

  • @19174975
    @19174975 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Changes to the offside rule came in 1990 and after .

  • @leedsman3815
    @leedsman3815 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Everyone was 'active' in those days for offside. The first problem area being if the player made a pass. Anyone who has followed or knows anything about football will be aware that even a ricochet can place a player offside if the ball goes toward him, so its difficult to see in historical context how this isn't. However the real problem was that in the later pass to Astle (from edge of box) Astle was in front of the ball with a Leeds player behind him and only Sprake in front. So Astle WAS offside here, but in the mayhem the officials were so keen to say not offside to the original incident they did n't address this; hence that linesman got some stick -literally.

    • @johnburns4017
      @johnburns4017 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wrong. A ricochet did *not* make a man offside, quite the opposite.

    • @markdavies3489
      @markdavies3489 ปีที่แล้ว

      As Alan Hansen stated.The offside rule is now ridiculous.Every man on the pitch is interfering with play.Interfering not interfering active not active.First phase second phase.All nonsense.If your offside when the ball goes forward you are offside.Unless it is played off or to you by an opponent.To many on here trying to be clever.In those days none of the above applied.It was time honoured bad refereeing.And everybody at the time knew it.The issue about Astle is of course that he was onside as he was not nearer the goal line than the ball when it was played.Some argue he was.Either way it's irrelevant.

    • @simonbolton3276
      @simonbolton3276 ปีที่แล้ว

      @MARK DAVIES The interfering with play clause was introduced in 1906. It was in force when this match was played. Of course it was subjective and open to interpretation which is why even schoolboys were told to play to the whistle. Leeds didn't and it cost them. When Brown runs forward onto the rebound, Suggett deliberately turns away thus making it clear that he had no intention of influencing play. Easy to see why Tinkler overruled the linesman and Leeds should have carried on playing instead of stopping.

  • @myroseaccount
    @myroseaccount 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Actually I think Tinkler made the right decision. He overruled the linesman which as referee he can do. And professional players should know that you PLAY to the WHISTLE.
    The referee decided Suggett was not interfering with play. Brown carried on and Astle scored.
    Tough shit for Leeds.

    • @TheEx3rgj
      @TheEx3rgj 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I was at the game, and in those days offside was offside, not whether you were interfering with play, same as the goalkeeper could pick up a backpass too Fucking moron

  • @JoyDivision88
    @JoyDivision88 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love the unbiased Barry Davies commentary. Really was the epitome of the neutral commentator. (Sarcasm for the unsure)

  • @holmleighnyd
    @holmleighnyd  11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    But the point is Brown didn't release the baal, he kept control of it. Even then you wouldn't get blown up for offside until the ball was played forward from one player to another. Brown didn't do that, he took it on himself. That was how they used to break through the offside trap, taking it on themselves.

  • @fulham1958
    @fulham1958 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great goal.

  • @johnburns4017
    @johnburns4017 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If VAR was in action in those days Leeds would rarely get above half way in the league.

  • @shawnflanagan4995
    @shawnflanagan4995 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i'm in los angeles, and a socc...er, football novice , and this is @7:00 of the best socc... uh, i mean football i've ever seen. the guy flying into the cheap wooden chairs at the end is just the icing on the cake. is there a reason why the stands behind the goals at this park are so far away versus every other park i've seen in this D1 stuff, where they're literally right behind the goal? was it strictly crowd control?

    • @johnburns4017
      @johnburns4017 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Crowd control was poor in those days. We now have stricter laws about this.
      Leeds' football ground was a complete garbage tip at the time.

  • @phillloyd5233
    @phillloyd5233 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thoroughly deserved win from the Albion. What a fuss 😂😂😂

  • @ppuh6tfrz646
    @ppuh6tfrz646 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    0:07 WTF was Jack Charlton doing????

  • @paultaylor7082
    @paultaylor7082 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Overall, West Brom were by far the better side on the day and deserved their victory

  • @raphaelrau1728
    @raphaelrau1728 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a Gooner I love watching this game as “dirty” Leeds gifted the league to us on our way to the double in 71! COYG! 🔴⚪️

    • @johnburns4017
      @johnburns4017 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sad really. It was a case of:
      *1)* Dirty Leeds;
      *2)* Boring Arsenal.
      What a poor choice.

  • @WildwoodClaire1
    @WildwoodClaire1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Jack Charlton's pass straight to a West Brom defender was horrible. In point of fact, Leeds were terrible throughout this match and they didn't deserve to win.

    • @portcullis5622
      @portcullis5622 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I have been watching a lot of highlights of early 1970s Leeds matches, and it is noticeable that despite dominating most teams, Leeds conceded a lot of soft goals, often with unforced errors. In this game, Charlton gave away possession for the first goal, and the 'offside' goal only happened after Hunter had twice failed to play the long ball forward. I grew up in a family of Leeds fans, and this game was notorious as the one where they were "robbed" (costing them the title), but they had only themselves to blame in this match really. They just did not play well enough.

    • @nigelstansfield1644
      @nigelstansfield1644 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You was there?Ah I see.

  • @TheBobbyel
    @TheBobbyel 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The ref is in charge, not the linesman. Good goal. The linesman was wrong.

  • @klnine
    @klnine 12 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    you may be right, but Clarkes goal was offside too. You lost, beaten by a good Baggies team that outplayed you on the day !

  • @jontalbot1
    @jontalbot1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Don’t see the problem. The player “offside” was clearly not interfering with play.

  • @hugodrax71
    @hugodrax71 ปีที่แล้ว

    The fixture list killed Leeds in 1970-71, just as it did the previous season. This was their fourth game in eight days. No wonder they were below par.

  • @peteharry351
    @peteharry351 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I used to feel sorry for Alan Clarke. Everytime Bremner, Charton, Giles, Hunter etc etc tried to break someone's leg, Clarke was singled out for the response.

    • @philmarkham7477
      @philmarkham7477 ปีที่แล้ว

      Alan Clarke was the whinger's whinger. Revie only bought moaners and sh**houses

  • @chrisredditch
    @chrisredditch 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The day West Brom "out-Leeds" Leeds. And yes, Barry Davies's commentary was a disgrace

  • @antonyhobbs1144
    @antonyhobbs1144 ปีที่แล้ว

    I still find it funny in 2023. It couldn't have happened to a better team.

  • @JFBridge
    @JFBridge 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ...and also the following season when they played their first few 'home' fixtures away from Elland Road because of the crowd trouble here.They won none of those games,and Derby beat them by just one point.

    • @colinaitken3605
      @colinaitken3605 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They beat palace. 2-0 at Leeds road...

  • @baggies5468
    @baggies5468 12 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Boing Boing!...and we relegated them in 1983..Tee Hee

    • @Smiffy830
      @Smiffy830 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, they set the Smethwick end on fire. Boing boing! psalm 23

  • @johnburns4017
    @johnburns4017 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Leeds perfected the *over-the-ball tackle.* Referees could not see it. In the first season in the 1st division in 1964-65, most players sent off were sent off against Leeds for retaliation.
    Leeds played Everton at Goodison Park. Everton's Sandy Brown, in front of the referee, just openly chinned a Leeds player, being sent off of course. Everton, a footballing team, saw its players battling with the Leeds animals. Everton's winger Derek Temple was stretchered off. He came on hobbling 15 minutes later to make up the numbers as Everton were down to 9 men. No subs in those days.
    The referee took both teams off for 10 minutes to cool off. All four sides of the large ground were banging on the wooden floors of the double-decked stands decks chanting *_Dirty Leeds, Dirty Leeds._* Missiles were constantly being thrown at the Leeds players by the crowd.
    The PA pleaded for calm to the fans, and to stop pelting Leeds players. Abandoning the game was unwise ss a large public disturbance may have occurred. At the end some Everton fans ran on the pitch to have a go at the Leeds players. Police escorted Leeds players off the pitch. That is where *_Dirty Leeds_* came from.
    No one mourned the demise of Leeds. When Revie was with club's having to play proper legal football he was useless.

    • @Kenny-zw1lp
      @Kenny-zw1lp 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bollocks

    • @johnburns4017
      @johnburns4017 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Kenny-zw1lp
      Thank you for your reasoned intelligent response. Keep it up.

  • @thedudekatman
    @thedudekatman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Clarkes goal looked a bit offside!

  • @ppuh6tfrz646
    @ppuh6tfrz646 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2:02 About seven and a half yards?
    Is that a rough estimate, Barry?

  • @markdavies3489
    @markdavies3489 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Played forward knocked forward ricocheted forward.Makes no difference.A ball going forward to a player in an offside position was offside.Everyone knew it then.As Hansen used to say everyone on the pitch is interfering with play otherwise why the hell are you there.He thought the development of the offside rule was ridiculous.

  • @simonbarber2098
    @simonbarber2098 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Albion have a far richer history than Leeds

  • @frankash7736
    @frankash7736 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Learn the offside rule

  • @Lord_Hillcrest01
    @Lord_Hillcrest01 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The biggest issue here no ones talking about. The ref actually put the whistle to his mouth but didnt blow it ! ..Im not getting involved if it was offside or not ( it was ), picture this though....The linesman put his flag up for one . For two , the ref put his whistle in his mouth . Any of you wearing white that day wouldve stopped , even suggett stopped . Then the ref waved play on . Outrageous decision when you look at the whole picture. A draw wouldve been the right result on the day.

  • @simonbarber2098
    @simonbarber2098 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Leeds have spent nearly 50% of their history outside the top division. Formed in 1920 I think later than all their big city contemparies. Competed under Revie tremendously between 65 and 75 and the wilkinson team in 90's apart from that nothing. As a one club city its a sorry history compared to the Manchester, Merseyside, West Midlands and London teams who have won trophies over decades and decades, not just a few years like Leeds.

  • @esseel7896
    @esseel7896 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    hahahah that effin linesman hahaha!

  • @peterlewis6820
    @peterlewis6820 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You can't be offside in you're own half!Was in the 60s and 70s not sure now

    • @johnboylan3591
      @johnboylan3591 ปีที่แล้ว

      Suggett wasn't in his own half

  • @replicas11
    @replicas11 10 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hehehehehe, I love watching this I always think about it when the silly Leeds fans start sing their poxy marching on together song. Sent em down in 83 another good day at the office for the Baggies Hehehehehehe.

    • @schoolie
      @schoolie 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      fucking baggies lol, not even the best team in the black country ballbaggies more like

    • @replicas11
      @replicas11 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Albion can always look down at Leeds and have a right good giggle about how we fucked em over time after time. Sent you down in 83 and a lost you the league with the onside goal, we are Prem you are not. Hehehehehehhahaahaahah lets all laugh at shitty Leeds. Shitty Leeds the laughing stock of the North, Man U fans feel sorry for you these days that's how fucking bad you've become.

    • @biriyaniferrari165
      @biriyaniferrari165 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      And we'll batter then on New Year's Day!

  • @UXB-p5u
    @UXB-p5u 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    3:40 these days Billy Bremner would have had an instant red and probably a ban 🤔 Don't you just think football was so much better in those days 😉

  • @transitny
    @transitny 12 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don't think the decision itself was as bad as the way it was handled by the referee. Everyone in the stadium - the players, the announcer, the fans - seemed to think WBA was offside and Tinkler ordered them to play on after everything had come to a stop. Just plain terrible refereeing.

    • @wuffothewonderdog
      @wuffothewonderdog 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Brown didn't pass to anyone - he kept going forward and still had the ball. You have to pass the ball for someone to be offside.

    • @gazrev7671
      @gazrev7671 ปีที่แล้ว

      Very good refereeing actually. Suggett isn't involved and Astle is behind the ball - perfectly good goal.

  • @esseel7896
    @esseel7896 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    this Leeds Utd. NEVER to be bettered. EVER.

  • @Lord_Hillcrest
    @Lord_Hillcrest 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Charlton shouldve been given a pen by being pushed off the ball . Couple of decent saves by Sprake .

  • @Sanctified57
    @Sanctified57 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ah the times when only a decapitation would earn a booking

  • @ppuh6tfrz646
    @ppuh6tfrz646 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    0:59 Then shouldn't it be a penalty?

    • @ianbennett1491
      @ianbennett1491 ปีที่แล้ว

      Indirect free kick. Eh.. Penalty surely..

  • @johnwalters4792
    @johnwalters4792 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lancashire 🌹

  • @georgeprice52
    @georgeprice52 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How can the linesman flag that thou he got the ball him self

  • @WELLBRAN
    @WELLBRAN 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Or some odd reason it sticks in my mind the spectator with yellow shirt... Lol

    • @johnburns4017
      @johnburns4017 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes. If the fashion police were called arrests would be made.

  • @tonyschumacher-jones1540
    @tonyschumacher-jones1540 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There’s a couple of fouls there that should have been red carded. But not so much throwing yourself on the ground like a big baby having a cardiac arrest - like wot happens these days.

  • @owainparry1262
    @owainparry1262 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Here after The Socially Distant Sports Bar covered the controversial goal. Is the commentator a Leeds fan though - very biased by today’s standards!

  • @manuelodabashian
    @manuelodabashian 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The wall was never 10 yds

  • @gary1961
    @gary1961 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Muddy pitches, goalies without gloves, retaliation without a red card, the old off-side rule (not given on this occasion) fans invading the pitch to shag the referee, coppers instead of club stewards, players with feather-cuts and mutton-chops, everything but jumpers for goalposts ....... ahhh, it can only be the 70s.
    I remember this game, it probably cost Leeds the league that season.

  • @ppuh6tfrz646
    @ppuh6tfrz646 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    8:41 HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • @gymsisters7869
    @gymsisters7869 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Barry Davies an absolute disgrace here like listening to Leeds TV