Rabbi Tovia Singer reveals that the Church corrupted the Jewish Scriptures
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- Rabbi Tovia Singer is the founder and director of Outreach Judaism, a Jewish counter-missionary organization. It describes itself as "an international organization that responds directly to the issues raised by missionaries and cults, by exploring Judaism in contradistinction to fundamentalist Christianity." Singer cautions regarding congregations that "are designed to appear Jewish, but are actually fundamentalist Christian churches, which use traditional Jewish symbols to lure the most vulnerable of our Jewish people into their ranks." Outreach Judaism was described by J. Gordon Melton in 2002 as an example of "the current state of Jewish counter-cult activity."
Did the Church corrupt scripture?
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Rabbi Tovia Singer shows the changing of Hebrew scripture by the New Testament authors, how they redefined the use of the Hebrew scriptures & Paul being a liar.
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Haha....oke. Done! This video made me buy 'Let's Get Biblical' (volume 1 & 2) immediately on Bol.com (Dutch Amazon) today!
@OTO TAKE Dr Brown is good for only one thing..making excellent sodas such as Dr Brown's Root Beer and Dr Brown's Celray.. otherwise, he's as foolish as jews for jesus..
@OTO TAKE if you believe anything written in the NT isn't stupid crap, that doesn't say much about your intelligence, either.
@@nasdaqua OTO TAKE is so obsessed with Jews, he shows up on every Rabbi singer video posted, making these same exact lame comments, and has done so for several years. He's totally addicted. He tried that "pierced hands and feet" trick with me, but I schooled him so thoroughly he won't respond to me anymore. He's a troll and a Christian who's faith so weak, he needs regular infusions of Judaism to keep it from collapsing completely.
@@curtisscissons563 You're probably right on target about this troll. Perhaps he's a self hating Jew whose parents circumcised his brain at birth and he's now left with a pea pod mind; Next on his to do list is to have his little member circumcised by a Halal butcher who'll leave him with nothing between his legs, to speak of. lol
As a Catholic, I have to say that this really burst my bubble. However, I am feeling a little tug from somewhere to go further and learn more about this.
Please do👍I'm a ex Jehovah's Witness & I purchased Rabbi Singer's volume 1 & 2 Let's Get Biblical. I also suggest you purchase a Tanach. You will understand why Jews are waiting for the Messiah. Woke me up from a spiritual sleep.
Check out th-cam.com/channels/m-ueF6vf5Wxxcja2YOjkVw.html
Great videos. Be careful where you go for Noahide information. There's many people in our "house" that are a lot like reform Jews. They think they can practice, and do anything. This is not only false, but harmful.
Please watch Dr. Michael Browns channel. Dr. Brown defeated Mr. Singer in debate. Since then Mr. Singer has not debated messianic jews⚠️ Dr. Brown made a book serie debunking rabbinical objections against Yeshua one after one.
@@pr7049 I understand your messianic belief. I too also leaned in that direction. The purpose of doing research on religion is being objective. No I don't agree with Orthodox religious Jews. What I do understand is Why they don't believe the Messiah is not Jesus. As like all religions man has created a "God" from ancient times to present that fits their generational belief&traditions.& passes it down. So I respect their beliefs& yours.
@@ej1722 I AM SO GLAD THAT MESSIAH RABID LO TOV HAS OPENED YOUR EYES ,/ "ENLIGHTENED". YOU
JUST KEEP HOLDING ONTO HIS. HAND AND FOR SURE HE WILL LEAD YOU TO THE PEARLY GATES
If this guy did stand up, i'd go watch him. Love his sense of humor.
I'm Muslim but I enjoy watching Rabbi Tovia Singer.
You two are having entirely too much fun! Thank God you make us laugh to keep from crying. Thank you for interviewing Rabbi Singer. He is the most knowledgeable teacher on the planet on this subject I hope you will do more shows with him.
@Abraham Mani really they enslaved and rape mothers and daughters they lies and change history of the people in the name of missionary they baptized and change their names and tell them their ancestors warships are Satan their photo copy are the one seeing in the book they give them as God people yet they are not antichrist, pains of the truth.
Going back in time to consume all the Rabbi Tovia Singer content I can. :)
I love Rabbi Singer and I am an atheist
Me too. I've been following him for years. I loved how in one of his videos, he says, god spoke Hebrew not Greek.
So you're a communist?
HaShem speaks all languages and the New Testament was written in Konie Greek. Being since Alexander the Great was used to take over much of the East and then the New Testament was spread in that manner. Dr. Michael Brown is a messianic Jew , and he debated Tovia Singer and won the debate. Go look it up. It's here on TH-cam. Tovia threatened a lawsuit over it. And then refused to debate him again. Tovia grossly twists scripture.
LOL That's true. Atheism and Judaism are both false. I mean Judaism was cool back in the day. But Jesus rose and Christianity is what's up now. So no I will not get in the Mikveh. No need. I'm Kosher by worshiping Jesus as Lord. He's the Christ.
The godless Atheists will suck up to the godless religious Jews. When I say godless Jews, I mean the Tovia Singer types. I'm not talking about anyone who worships the Lord. Including me. Why are you both obsessed with Christianity? Must be because we have God and the truth.
The early church leaders have admitted changes in the book. Even modern bibles will show in the footnotes section of the 1 John 5:7, that the verse was NOT found in ANY original manuscript, and that it was ADDED into the Latin vulgate.
That was 14 century AD: not early church fathers ! The N.T reflects 2nd temple period Biblical Judaism something This Rabbinic rejects as his forefathers did in the 2nd century AD because it supported Christianity's claims of Jesus being the visible YHWH of the O.T.
@@davidjanbaz7728 both wrong and anti Jewish.
Why on earth would they add text
@@indo3052 but they have. Keep an open mind and be educated or be like sheep
*_ACCORDING TO YOUR TALMUD, YOUR RABBIS AND SCRIBES ALTERED SCRIPTURE - THEY EVEN ADMIT TO REMOVING WORDS!_*
*Rabbi Hiyya bar Abba said in the name of Rabbi Yohanan*:
*_“It is better that one letter be removed from the Torah than that the Divine name be publicly profaned.”_*
*RASHI ADMITS THEY CHANGED GENESIS 18:22 ALSO*
_*ABRAHAM INDEED SPOKE WITH GOD*_👇
*BERESHIT RABBAH (49)* :
א”ר סימון: תיקון סופרים הוא זה, שהשכינה היתה ממתנת לאברהם:
Rabbi Simon says: *This is a TIQQUN SOFERIM* . [Actually] GOD was waiting for Abraham.
*MIDRASH TANHUMA* : " *_but the men of the Great Synagogue altered these verses_* . And that is why they were called soferim, because they counted [Heb. sofer ] all the letters of the Bible and expounded them." Similarly in *EZEKIEL 8:17* , "Lo, they put the branch to *HIS NOSE* ," was adjusted to "their nose."
Again with the verse (Gen. 18:22) - "but Abraham stood yet before the Lord." R. Simeon said: "This is a tikkun soferim, for the Shekhinah was actually waiting for Abraham and it should really have read: ' *_And the Lord stood yet before Abraham_* .
(Num. 11:15) 'And if thou deal thus with me, kill me, I pray thee, out of hand, if I have found favor in thy sight; and let me not look upon my wretchedness' should have read 'their wretchedness.'" Rashi (ad loc.) language of the Bible. *_It should have been written 'and they condemned the Omnipresent by their silence_* ,' *BUT THE TEXT WAS AMENDED* .
Also: 'Thus *_they exchanged THEIR GLORY for the likeness of an ox_* [Ps. 106:20] should have been written ' *His glory* ' *BUT IT WAS AMENDED* ."
*_DONT BE DECEIVED!_*
*_CHRISTIAN TRANSLATIONS WERE NOT CORRUPTED - YOURS WERE!_*
His perspective is fascinating. He is filling in a lot of plot holes for me as I unpack the weird and cruel Christian lies I grew up indoctrinated in. Someone in you tube said studying the Torah alone will cause you to go insane. This seems like it might be true based on my attempt to understand just one of its its illegitimate spawn. I am glad for the collective attempt in you tube underway to unpack all of it. It’s awesome.
@abrahammani-3445 how lazy to copy and paste this lie everywhere. Jesus had older bros in genesis 6. How bout we not celebrate any human sacrifice or gruesome Roman crucifixion. No third party can take responsibility for your fuck ups. Grow up and quit spreading the Christian hatred.
Tovia is probably my favorite Christian counter apologist! Awesome to see him on the show!
But he doesn't counter. He gets countered. That's why he lost the debate with more learned Christian. Messianic Jew, Dr. Michael Brown.
would you like to see him debate Brother Nathanael?
Brother Nathaniel is smarter than Singer is. But Nathaniel is an Orthodox. Dr. Michael Brown is an actual Christian. And the most wise of the them all.
I meant would you like to see Brother Nathanial debate singer?
Yeah. I want to see Singer rage some more.
Listening for the second time...I forgot about Septu-la-gent...winkwink Derek, great work!
@Abraham Mani They let you out of the nuthouse a little too early, my friend...
@Abraham Mani 😂
“These are not guys trying to make rabbis look good”. Best sentence ever. 🤣
@Iyas kelu corrupted is such a polite term for it! Did Islam emerge in reaction to all the Christian gymnastics happening with the Jewish doctrine? I’m trying to read the Quran and it sort of looks like the Abrahamic believers of that mess were pissed about all the changes and we’re attempting to get back to fundamentals that had been lost. Doing it with lots of beheadings.
I really enjoy the announcement of Ishmael’s birth to his mom in Genesis now. Lady, you will give birth to a Wild Ass Man! 🤣
The more I learn about and actually read these books the funnier they get because they interact with each other so much!
I was raised Christian and I’m very familiar with all that bull💩. Christian’s teach nothing but hatred. I’m out. I value this life and I care about how my decisions impact others. I care about leaving my space on this earth better than I found it as best I can. That is all. Jesus and his horrible Papa Smote can fk off. I’ll never believe in any of the Abrahamic crap ever again. Letting go of superstition and fear has been wonderful.
Gen6:2 says Jesus had older slutty brothers btw. Not an only child. Another lie.
@@karenabrams8986Nothing was changed, we have the Qumran scrolls and from the manuscripts found most scripture is accurate even today.
@@karenabrams8986The Sons of God were angels, Jesus IS God
@@tydy5266 where’s he been? Seems like he doesn’t exist.
I love Rabbi Singer and have watched a great many of his videos. I'm excited to see you're having him as guest. Great work once again Derek, you keep hitting them out of the park!
Lots of vampires like tovia... that's what he seems to attract
AND YOU NO DOUBT HAVE A PICTURE OF HIM UNDER YOUR PILLOW AND ABOVE YOUR BED TOO
I HOPE. SO IF YOU CANT BE IN
HIS DIVINE PRESENCE. YOU CAN BE
" CONSOLED". KNOWING YOU AT
LEAST. HAVE A " LIKENESS "OF HIM
YOU SHOULD HAVE A PICTURE OF HIM UNDER YOUR PILLOW AND ABOVE YOUR BED TOO SO YOU CAN PRAY TO HIM NIGHTLY AND CONTINUE TO ASK FOR HIS DIVINE WISDOM AND GUIDANCE
@Abraham Mani I ACCEPTED YESHUA A LONG TIME. AGO.
AND AM HOPING HE COMESS BACK REAL SOON TO SETTLE THE
SCORE WITH THE DEVIL AND ALL HIS CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN
RUNNING THIS WORLD FAR TOO
LONG
@Abraham Mani no no no
My dream round table of speakers: Rabbi Tovia Singer and Rabbi Michael Skobac versus Messianic Jew Rabbi Michael Brown and William Lane Craig. This round table discussion would be moderated by Dr. Richard Carrier and Dr. Robert Price. WE MUST MAKE THIS HAPPEN!
I wish!!!!
Swap out Price for Robyn Walsh and l I'm in. Price and Elaine Pagels can fact check.
Too bad Tovia doesn't want to be near Michael Brown (lost a debate with him early he choses his oponents). Swap William with Anthony Rogers to watch a Tovia singer barbecue.
The ending was super abrupt and startled me! Really enjoyed this conversation, though. Great video!
Like Dillahunty says, if you want to know what’s wrong with one religion ask another religion.
Religion or not it is amazing to look on the same printed page that people profess upon and find they are actually being contradicted. My point is there is something in the study of textural criticism for everyone. Though you may make a valid point, I'm not so sure it applies appropriately here. This isn't exactly delving too hard into religion as much as scholarship. Modern man has learned to discuss the two in separate veins. That progress sometimes remains undetected to someone who gets immediately side tracked by the mention of the subject matter into believing this is a discussion about the existence of God or a creation evolution debate. Locked in a box he or she is too busy trying to prove his atheism is about intellectual superiority. Ummmm, kind of boring. Played out. The documents remain a lot of fun and do give us insight to motivations and how they were achieved with the dancing pen. Belief or No belief is irrelevant However the text remains.
The thing is, those scriptures the Christians call the "Old Testament" are the Hebrew scriptures.
FRANKANDSTERN sure it’s fun but not when the brainwashing and the seriousness of actually thinking these are words of a god and you’ve grow up being told that god talks to you etc. these ideas are dangerous to a civilized society.
@@keaco73 Find me a civilized society and we can test your theory.
@@tannhaus The O.T. aren't really the Hebrew Scriptures. They begin with the Hebrew scriptures. But then Paul makes 144 alterations to it and trashes the Torah all through this rape of G-d's word. It is profane and defiled beyond imagine.
This is a great podcast. Keep going don't give up. It will build slow at first but in no time it will be huge.
Rabbi Tovia Singer is fantastic! Loved this interview. Great Job Derek.
find God love him he has your best interest at heart.
Tovia Singer is a fraud and always lies and twists scripture.
Top notch. Much more from this gentleman, please. Thanks.
Is he a Jew i thought he read Christian books. He spends time reading about other religions or I thought their mission was to remember all the Old Testament only every day all day long.
@@begood8241 at least he studies and reads...what do you read, comic books all day..
That's Tovia Singer. He doesn't know how to read. What happened was, his rabbi actually read for him and then brainwashed him. Now he's working for Satan.
@@godssweetword9800 You were brainwashed by your churches into believing a false religion. Rabbi Singer knows more about the OT and NT than you ever will, idol worshiping fool.
@@begood8241yes he’s a Rabbi bud
@44:05
*"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"*
- Matthew 28:19
The 'Greek word used in this verse for *'nations'* is *ἔθνη* (ethnē) which also means the *'tribes'* refering to 12 tribes of Israelites.
Jesus is telling his disciples to go to all the tribes of Israel to baptise them. That makes sense with his early statements in *Matthew(10:5&**15:24**)*
But these Christians cunningly translated as all nations in the sense as all countries of the world.
*laughs when the Rabbi says that pastors are taught in seminary.
Correction: a good portion of Evangelical pastors have virtually no seminary training.
@Abraham Mani you can't scare me w
Sorry you can't scare me with a book that I know is irrelevant to my life
99% of Chritians know and can quote the same 10+ verses in the OT. That's it. I was a fundamental Christian for 20 year and I never read a single OT book from beginning to end. No one did.
LOL
@Abraham Mani I don't believe you
Speak for yourself. At my church our Bible studies involve the OT far more than it does the NT
I was speaking for myself@@tydy5266
This was phenomenal. I tuned into some of the Rabbi's other videos and was really impressed. More of this please.
Wow, thanks for getting Tovia. He’s amazing and totally contradicts Christianity. I love hearing him. Hugh score getting him.
Jerry Penna Too bad he doesn’t have a clue what he is talking about.
@@stevepolanco9887 then who does? Please tell me. Cuz christianity and Christian's contractic each other and the bible is incoherent and contradictory too.
Jerry Penna Do you think Moses was in the Garden of Eden? Where does Moses get his information? I don’t think Jewish rabbis should think that they are the only scriptures that are infallible.
Steve Polanco he’s more authoritative than Christians about the Old Testament . Not sure what he believes about Moses. Tom Jump had a rabbi on who doesn’t believe the Old Testament is literally true. Tovia doesn’t retrofit copt another religion as a Christians do and he’s far more authoritative on the Old Testament than Christians as Hebrew is his first language .
Jerry Penna But my point is that he regularly is finding fault with one religion while ignoring those of his...ie Moses could not possibly know anything about how creation began and Cain and Abe’s conversations; he was not there. Stories regarding three Hebrews thrown into a fire by Nebuchadnezzar and did not burn, were is the proof of this supposed historical miracle? Where is his critique of these fallacies?
Tovia is the man! Awesome! Thanks for sharing. :)
You should try getting Rabbi Skobac from "jews for judaism", i find him even more compelling than rabbi singer (i find his style more to the point and clearer). They are both brilliant, but stylistically i find rabbi skobac more methodical, concise and comprehensive.
Dr. Michael Brown made Skobac run and Dr. Michael Brown debated Tovia and Tovia lost. Even threatened a lawsuit.
@@godssweetword9800 dr brown is just a good debater, doesnt mean that much if he doesnt answer the questions put to him. He is a expert in sophistry, as i see very clear similarities between his way of answering question and richard dawkins the atheist. the way you get to truth is listening carefully to the arguments and seeing if questions are being answered, and with dr brown, i see very often he picks 2 or 3 tangential points of the other guy and makes out that this was the main argument and dismantles it, while ignoring the main question put to him. I saw this video where they got someone in last minute, very unprepared, and everyone on that comments section thought doctorr brown won, and alot of the criticism was that the jew was very polite or whatever, where dr brown was "all love", but the very simple question the rabbi kept asking was NEVER addressed, eventhough this was practically the only thing he was saying for the full 2 hours. Where does the torah say explicitly and unambiguously any of the fundamental doctrines of curstianity. No answer.
@@godssweetword9800 True. You have to then acknowledge that the case for Yeshua is much stronger than ravs admit. New Testament is the only book you cannot purchase in Israeli book stores and they have all other religious, occultistic and even satanic books. Why do ravs fear⁉️
After all 🕯📖🕯the prophecy of light coming to the nations have been fullfilled by Yeshua. Who can deny it‼
That's a good way to describe Rabbi Singer, he's very personable but sometimes get off track with his "charm", Rabbi Skobac's style is more to the point with occasional flashes of humor.
@@mgh1223 thats a great way to sum them up. charm is a nice succint word to describe rabbi singer's unique style!
Yooooo I need to watch this later
I am a practicing Zoroastrian and I would like to have coffee with Rabbi Tovia Singer. He is very intelligent. Even when I disagree with him, I enjoy what he has to say because I can tell he put a lot of thought into it.
Great interview, looking forward to more 🙂
Thank you for having Rabbi Singer on your show! He is amazing! I love listening to him and have been following his teachings and videos for years on TeNaK Talk and fb!
The whole nonsense of Jesus fulfilling the old testament prophesies is based on misinterpreting the OT, in any case if you look up the supposed reference in the OT they are pretty disappointing... like is that really clear cut ...
The story was written in order to make it seem as though Jesus fulfilled prophecies. Whether or not they actually do fulfill prophecy is another issue entirely. We're dealing with fiction here -- or sacred allegory if you prefer.
@Abraham Mani do you think that was written by someone on drugs?
@Abraham Mani Do you realize that worshiping a book is idolatry?
@Abraham Mani You have the magical thinking associated with schizotypal mood disorder. And if you don't realize you're engaged in book idolatry, then you're just not too bright.
@Abraham Mani You are a religious nut. You do NOTHING but spout off quotes from the Bible in what appears to be some kind of manic display of your faith. You don't come off as religious, though. You come off more as a nutcase. I started learning that Bible before you did. I know it better than you do. And I stand by what I said earlier -- you don't worship God. You worship a book as a god. And that much is quite evident to anyone who encounters you online....probably in person as well. You're a delusional idolater.
The Trinity doctrine is not Christian in origin, it's rooted in Paganism, and was insterted into Christianity due to church politics.
Yes, Titus was Pagan, author of All biblical scripture, Titus worshipped Isis his heavenly wife, Wisdom, O Birther, The Holy spirit as in the book of Sirach,she watched him create everything, Titus was Jacob, Israel, Enoch before that, Titus was Ra Sol the creator, why he gave them Sol invictus to worship on the 25th December when the Sun resurrects again after 3 days, Titus's satire and proof that he was the Chrestus.Titus was Dionysus God of wine fertility and the underworld, exactly the same credentials as Isis, Israel,Is Isis, Ra Sol,El Elohim The Mighty one, Archangel Micheal who fathers the Chrestus,The Angel of the Lord mentioned so often in scripture.
Fascinating topic! Looking forward to pt.2
I found out about Tovia Singer on your channel, and not only is he a great source of information, but a lot of fun to listen to!
A lier
wow! the Rabbi!! nice ! that Rabbi is one of BEST!!
Thank you so much guys!! The best show ever!!
I wonder how different this conversation would be if the same critical analysis of biblical texts were applied to the Hebrew Bible. If as a mythicist he also began to deconstruct those scriptures, I bet the rabbi would suddenly become an apologist himself.
The Torah is copied from Greek mythology which copied from other cultures. Israel (in the bible) never was a nation down here. Israel is a Phoenican/Assyrian name for Saturn, the god of time.
@@harveywabbit9541 Prove it
No, Jews are very open about Exodus being most likely myth and there being no archaeological evidence for any single large movement of people. Most archaeologists studying this aren't Jews nor Israelis and there is open dialogue.
Not at all like Christian attitudes to their sites.
@@crhu319some Jews, yet Rabbi Singer likes to say God gave Moses an Oral Torah. So I'm pretty sure he does believe the Exodus happened
One of the most amazing interviews I have ever seen.
Very interesting! Thanks for doing this!
Not Harry's translation, not Stacy's translation...who's Harry, who's Stacy??? My first Rabbi Tovia video...he's great!
That was epic. I want to hear more of you guys!!
What was epic was watching Tovia Singer cry after he lost the debate with Dr. Michael Brown.
IOer here ;)
We will be having you on soon bro! 😉
Far be it from the truth, I do want to get these scholars to hear about it and discuss it. I'm interested in hearing them tell me why these gentiles are not Israelites by the flesh literally.
I've heard and hear IO all the time on Facebook discuss their position and have been trying to get them to engage with critical scholarship on this position. This is not new news. I'm not trying to straw man the position. I really want to see it challenged and tested.
I hear about how iron clad it is and that it's the truth all over facebook. I'm interested in one of the IOers to come talk with critical scholarship and test it. If IO isnt willing to talk (not debate) then I don't see why they would waste their energy with Christian's who have an axe to grind?
Let's be cordial and get this in the eyesight of men who don't have to have this text be true for their souls. We can do this by starting to bring it up on shows.
This is exactly my point of IO. IO is the only ones who have it correct and every scholar ever has not put the pieces to the puzzle together like them. If this is the case then its imperative that this gets tested in the face of scholarship.
The fact that I mentioned all gentiles in the NT are Israelites, I'm speaking in scope of salvation or those gentiles that are actually concerned in the narrative. The roman Centurions & Paul's audience. I'm not speaking of Pontius pilate or something.
I'm also bringing the point that those terms are not defined this way by scholarship across the board. This is why I stated they are redefined. I understand what IO defines these terms as, but no one in critical scholarship does. They may be wrong and IO may be right (I'm very open to this) however, this is the crux, it all hinges on full preterism being correct and these scholars unanimously agree that the NT gave clear prophecies of soon to come things that never were fulfilled. This would mean non-fulfillment and therefore the church keeps pushing false prophecies out into the future. The scholarship defines what those things are and those definitions are contrary to IO or full preterist definitions and interpretations.
I have always been open to the IO position. I would appreciate more dialogue with them about these things on my show because I respect many of them. I'm not against it but I'm not convinced of it either. It would be great to get IO to discuss this material with scholarship.
The truth shall set you free. Hope more people accept the truth.
Thank you
"I forgot, I am not as young as used to be... I haven't written a book in Hebrew in 500 years!"
Classic Rabbi Singer.
Write a book? He does even know how to read. He reads Tanakh backwards and upside-down.
@@godssweetword9800 You are in no position, to speak, you worship the beast that was fatally wounded and came back to life, Revelations 13:14
@@ISAiah.42 neither are you, acceptor of hearsay evidence.
@@MidlifeCrisis82 Aawwe nothing to say? Repent .. for the kingdom of God is at hand. Or forever be in Eternal Torment.
@@ISAiah.42 yes. Repent! For the Bible itself says EXODUS 20:16 "if you are not an eyewitness, you are a false witness" which invalidates your holy book! Repent for your ignorance!
I would like to see Tovia Singer explain the bizarre stories in Tanakh, like why the bible describes the Earth as a circular flat disc sitting on pillars with a glassy dome called the raqqia holding back the water above that dome? (Ancient Near East Cosmology) why would god allow the ancient Hebrews to believe a fake cosmology when he could have told them exactly how the universe actually appears and functions? Or why would god have a bitter water test which produces an abortion in Numbers chapter 5? Or how can cutting stripes in a stick produce stripped goats? Or why would a righteous god allow slavery and make up rules for slavery knowing that slavery is unrighteous? Or what is Tovia's take on Noah's Ark, the floating zoo with just 1 - 18"x 18" window and all the numerous problems associated with that story, to which Aron Ra has several good videos on that subject. Bringing Tovia on to debunk Christianity is fine, he's good at that, I watch him all the time, but lets see how Tovia answers these tough questions about his religion as well. I have never seen Tovia debate an atheist or even someone other than Christian apologists who will agree with him concerning the stories in Tanakh.
LEARN THE TRUTH
www.cosmology-theory-evolution-quran.com/
Or how he explains the genital mutilation of baby boys (without anaesthetic). I guess the design isn't so "intelligent" after all!
@@endofscene Yes, I never understood the obsession with foreskins, and yet in Ezekiel the command to circumcise returns in the future, even though Paul says it doesn't matter. The Bible is one big contradiction after another and few know it.
@@c.a.martin3029 What makes you think Ezekiel is referring to the future, and when in the future? I'm not sure I see a connection between Ezekiel and Paul re: circumcision.
Also, I wouldn't call it an obsession with foreskin, per se. If Jews were obsessed with foreskin then they would probably know more about it. (Most Jews know very little, if anything, about penile anatomy.) However, Jews do seem to be obsessed with circumcision insomuch as it's one of their most important rituals and even non-religious Jews do it.
I just think it's very interesting that Jews believe an omnipotent and omnibenevolent deity commands them to traumatise their newborn baby boys and deprive their sons of a complete penis for no good reason whatsoever. (In Genesis 17 circumcision is said to be the sign of "the covenant" but no explanation is given as to why "God" would choose infant penis cutting as the sign of this "covenant".) It's totally bizarre and pretty damn twisted if you ask me. (And that's not even talking about metzizah b'peh.)
Even more bizarre when you realise that, according to the Bible, Moses didn't circumcise his son (Exo 4:25) or any of the Hebrew boys under his authority (Jos 5:5).
@@endofscene In the prophecy of the third temple (which isn't built yet) Ezekiel says nobody who is not circumcised in the heart and the flesh will not enter the sanctuary. So that means circumcision is a future practice. However Paul declares circumcision doesn't mean anything.
At 6:35 Rabbi cracks me up! 😂🤣😂
At 8:55 he’s making me LOL again! 😆
Good video
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Oh wow ... I've watched a ton of the Rabbi's videos.
Funnily enough me too - as a Muslim convert looking to counter Christan attempts at converting me by picking apart their holy book. So much easier being atheist.
@@vincemcmahonreadskoran3120 wow Christianity to Islam .... out of the fire into the frying pan. To each his own
@@vivahernando1 Should have clarified that I'm now atheist. That tends to happen when religious people really debate each other hard enough.
OH Dang . . . I was watching a MythVision VId and I get a notification . . . another Vid is out . . . Love it ! Rabbi . . . be a regular !
This is such an extraordinary interview I pray everyone will watch it.
In psalms 51:11 ,David says ' Do not banish me from your presence; do not take your holy spirit away from me.'
This is, bar none, the best episode ever
@@godssweetword9800 Mentally jacked? What an odd thing to say. Are you going to explain to me how to came to this conclusion? I'd be interested to know how you were able to deduce that I'm mentally jacked.
So now I m inept. Are you sure you know what you're talking about?
What happened, the video seemed to cut off at the end, I did not see a clear ending, did I miss anything? This guy is great! With all the logical, clear information intelligent, well educated people like Rabbi Tovia and Dr. Price sharing their knowledge, how is it possible not more people are falling away from the lies and fairy-tales we grew up with?!
Next one is coming soon
Jesus is no fairy tale ask about the prophecy when was the Messiah to come. and When did Jesus live. The time has passed for thee Messiah to have come.
Because that's what happens when people WANTto believe
Holey schmoley, THE Rabbi Tovia Singer! I have left more likes on his videos than I have on Flat Earth Debunker and atheist philosophy movies. In fact, @Derrick, I probably like Mythvision only half as much as like the rabbi's channel. And I like you guys a ton.
@Abraham Mani what sword? There is no sword of the antichrist in the bible. You are just making it up as you go, aren't you?
Holy sh... !!!! Wow!!!
nice score here Mythvision
There are loads of different Septuagint s. None were done by Jewish sages. The originals were burnt. Only the 5 books of mosses we're translated
Genesis is a copy of Sumerian tablets of Tehomat their god.
I grew up in the Catholic church and we were never told to read the old testament. Every Sunday there was a passage from the old testament. Most Christians are ignorant of most of the old testament.
Where is part 2?
Very Interesting, though the very fact that “Yahweh” would create the World and after a few incidents he destroys the planet then meets Abraham and decides that;hell was the rest of the world I exclusively love this nation only, is crazy to me and the death of so many nations and peoples doesn’t matter until even today is absolute nonsensical to me…
there is no planet
straw man
Exactly, because it isn't this way and that's the whole point of the NT
Great show, love it
I love Rabbi Tovia Singer & others too.--- With your kind permission may I correct any mis-impression I may have inadvertently created or you might have?-Yes, since you ask, I am a born Jew. I ONLY teach/share Jewish approach..... both on the Radio Show & in the BOOK(s).--- * KNOWLEGDE IS MEANT TO MAKE US LARGER NOT smaller -- Right?-- Rabbi Tovia Singer and others expertly & so skillfully point out errors in the Christian Bible, and also discuss the errors/misquotes, etc.--- I do much the same thing, but, with a slightly different twist!-- 1) When Missionaries approach Jews the Missionaries always try to use the Torah, et. Al., to re-interpret & misquote the Jewish Bible to prove their point.-Right? Well, I return the favor. I read their bible to them...to show they are NOT reading/interpreting their bible correctly : THIS HAS BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE ON THE RADIO SHOW..!-- -- * 2) When Missionaries approaches Jews, the JEWS MUST know how to reply, both defending & explaining the Torah Et. Al., and pointing out the Missionaries are NOT even reading their bible correctly>>! Therefore, IF they are NOT reading their bible correctly WHY should anyone believe they are correctly reading the Jewish Bible..?-- * ( LOOK at the explanation on AMAZON about the BOOK).***
---- THANK YOU, Jacob.
I am the Author of " A JEW UN-CONCEALS THE Gospels for Christians." It is a CORRECTION of Christians MIS-understandings of Gospels. - & I have done a state -wide CALL -In Radio Show in Texas for years,, with the JEWISH Corrections of the 'Gospels' for Christians . .! Thank you . Jacob.
That was sooo interesting that I listened to the entire video. I wish there were time stamps for each topic.
Check out Tovia Singer's TH-cam channel and also Tenak Talk.
Or his website Outreach Judaism.
This will give you the knowledge of God and will begin to give you a proper relationship with God.
Shalom
YES! I love Tenak Talk!
Nah. Go instead to Michael Brown's debate with Tovia Singer and watch how Tovia loses and then he threatened with a lawsuit. Just ask Dr. Michael Brown. He has it all recorded.
lol, yeh I've heard about the dishonesty with Dr. Brown. Your lies won't work here.
Eternal Anchor
Funny how those who are Christian sympathetic believe that the rabbi Tovia Singer somehow lost that debate, when all that happened was a minimal hiccup by the Singer.
Nobody who comes to your conclusion over the debate realizes that Mr.Brown made numerous mistakes and was way off on his knowledge of God.
To begin with, he claims to be a Jew, and if indeed that is true, his Christian thesis condemns himself right in his tracks.
And why is that?
Deuteronomy 4:1-2
"Now, O Israel, listen to the statutes and the judgements which I teach you to observe, that you may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers is giving you.
You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you."
You see, like wolves amongst the rabbi's feet, you try to devour him only because he made one slight misstep which only shows how young he was at the time (30+years ago) and that yes, he is only human.
Meanwhile, Mr. Brown is allowed to make several mistakes in his claims without anyone noticing, other than someone who actually has true knowledge of God?
What Mr. Brown (a self proclaimed Jew) doesn't even realize is, his descendants are told to not follow the beliefs of the people who surround him.
He obviously is one of many Jewish people who were scattered amongst the nations.
Therefore, this claim, that somehow the rabbi Singer had lost this debate is overshadowed by the word of God, which conquers all others claims.
Deuteronomy 13:6-10
"If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,' which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, of the gods of the people who are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people.
And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
So all Israel shall hear and fear, and not again do such wickedness as this among you."
The fact of the matter is, the above passage is a direct message from the mouth of God to all of Israel, whether within its own borders or to those scattered amongst the nations.
"of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth."
That about covers the entire globe.
And the fact that God says "If anyone secretly entices you saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,' Which YOU HAVE NOT KNOWN, NEITHER YOU NOR YOUR FATHERS."
The fact of the matter is, the Jewish people back then did not know the Christian doctrine, nor did they know the prophet known as Jesus as either a God, neither a dying God, nor a dying messiah.
Therefore, since their descendants didn't know, nor is the Christian doctrines ideas mentioned in the word of God (the Books of Moses) they then reject it. Or at least they are supposed to, according to the warning in Deuteronomy 13 and also throughout the Books of Moses.
So again, before Mr. Brown even opened his mouth for the debate, he was already condemned and had lost his connection with the God of Israel, and unless he realizes this, and repents, he shall surely perish, according to God.
Again, the rabbi during the debate was 99.9% correct throughout the debate.
And Mr.Brown was 99.9% wrong the moment he opened his mouth.
As a Jew, he should know better.
Shalom
Brilliant, just brilliant.
You seem like one of those vile, militant Atheist-missionaries who's really reaching. You disgusting communist.
He IS a Blinded Jew in regards to the purpose of Jesus Life!
THIS IS HILARIOUS!
He says septuagint isn't valid and he claims that Masoretic text is more superior and more reliable than Septuagint. Hahahjaa septuagint is from third BCE, and MASORETIC is from 11 centruy AD ! HAHAHHHAA is this rabbi real
Exactly, Rabid Stinger knows how to deceive people alright,some mugs pay for these pair of clowns.
Tovia is right about Christians not reading the Old Testament. I am a Christian and at least half the class in our Bible study don't know what I'm talking about when I mention things from it. I have always loved the stories from the OT.
I read the Old Testament, as does every Christian I know.
You didn’t read the Tanach or OT? How about the Sumerian tablets of creation? It’s the same as Genesis. Singer is upset that the Christians rewrote his mythological book. Maybe they corrected it!!🤣
@@shira1270 I'm so scared. I read that as well. I'm so let me not say that.
I go to a liberal Christian denomination. Once in a class I mentioned the Bible. One of the other students looked horrified and said “Oh, we don’t use the Bible.” I said that our minister used it a lot. She said “No he doesn’t”. So, I asked her what she thought the book he carried in his hand on Sundays was. She didn’t know but it sure wasn’t a Bible.
Proverbs30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
Wow
I love watching Derek’s reactions. He’s so cute.
Fyi to the host - there's no 'L' in Septuagint
I obviously cant pronounce it right
Unless you spell it LXX 😉
@@MitzvosGolem1 and even better,
There is no "Jesus" in Tanach
There is one guy that many people will not debate and that's Don k. Preston. This is one guy that have posed to teaching of Christianity and he knows how to combine the writing of the Torah and the Tanakh and he give you the histories and years where a lot of the things that in the Torah in the Tanakh fulfill I never seen a guy and I have listened to so many debates. But this guy knows how to take scriptures from the Old Testament that I have to disagree how many ribbi scholars and Christian Scholars when it came to the New Testament. This guy was smart he went into the history not just what the scripture says but he went more deeper
Didn't Rabbi Singer say Isaiah wasn't in the Septuagint until after the time of Jesus? Wikipedia says (under "Septuagint"):
Biblical scholars agree that the first five books of the Hebrew Bible were translated from Biblical Hebrew into Koine Greek by Jews living in the Ptolemaic Kingdom, probably in the early or middle part of the third century BCE.[8] The remaining books were presumably translated in the 2nd century BCE.[4][9][10] Some targums translating or paraphrasing the Bible into Aramaic were also made during the Second Temple period.[11]
DON'T like the GIGANTIC eye at the beginning and end of the video - frightening!!
I agree, I almost exited the first MythVision I watched as I thought it something created by a devil cult follower. Mind you I’m agnostic…
DEREK, here's a good idea, try to get someone on the show, maybe Tovia, to delve into the movement of Peter and James, all we know and the NT we have are from the Pauline branch, what did James believe, who were these Jewish Christian's that rejected the main stream christian message and were they maybe the original followers of Jesus, namely: Ebionites, Nazerenes, Mandaeans, Elkasites etc. Would be awesome, kind regards.
I belive many where killed off by paul and his fanatics and some went into hiding. the early catholic church destroyed and burnt down many mystery schools. These early christian groups where Gnostic. They later poped up around the 1100's as cathars and other gnostic groups like the templars and again where hunted down including the some jews and it set off the inquisition. Look up the ebionites and then look up the history of the templars.
@@big-boss-bear4461 Thanks! I'll look it up
@Abraham Mani
What? How does this section of revelation taken out of context, fit in the conversation? Can you explain or are you a bible verse parrot?
@Abraham Mani Hello Mr Mani, what are you trying to say?
22The Lord said, I will bring again from Bashan, I will bring my people again from the depths of the sea:
23That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same.
It’s troubling to discuss translations and not stop to ask the question.... why should anyone trust it as Historical...it’s folklore borrowed from earlier cultures.....
Rehashed myths copied from other myths which were copied from other myths became Jewish history.
People need to get over the whole "virgin birth" thing, and stop blaming the author of the Gospel of Matthew for inventing it. The Greek says “parthenos” - a polysemous term in Ancient Greek, ranging from “maiden” to “virgin” to "pure" in different contexts. The Hebrew “almah” overlapped with Ancient Greek “parthenos”. But let’s face it, any young “maiden” in the ancient world was expected to be a virgin.
The author of Matthew 1,23 may have misinterpreted a Greek translation of Jewish scripture. Or he simply took it too literally. But he should not be given credit for coining it. You find "parthenoi" all over Ancient Greek literature in reference to young "maidens". It's only in the later period that the range of meanings restricts to "virgin".
The pre-Christian translator(s) who originally rendered Isaiah 7,14 (“The maiden will conceive...”) into Greek were probably unaware of the implications of that (perfectly reasonable) word choice. And that was Greek text the author of Matthew had to work with. The issue had a ripple effect in the history of English translations as well.
Wycliffe’s bible rendered Matthew 1,23 with the word “virgin” in 1395, translating from the Latin Vulgate, which used “virgo”. Two centuries later, Tyndale and Coverdale apparently reeled it in, both using the more-ambiguous word “mayde” (maiden). The Geneva Bible restored the use of “virgin” in 1557. The Bishops’ Bible followed suit, and the major English translations that came later (Douay-Rheims & The King James Version) both towed the line, using “virgin” rather than “maiden”.
abbadonnergal why would a religious Jew read holy scripture in his own language in Greek?
abbadonnergal, who cares if a Greek translation translated the Hebrew "almah" as "parthenos"? Did you actually listen to this video? Greek translations of the book of Isaiah are not even Septuagint. Greek translations of Psalms or Isaiah (for example) were made by unknown translators. So what is your point? Have you also read and understood the context of Isaiah chapter 7? If you have, you will know immediately that it CANNOT be referring to Jesus! The context was fulfilled in Isaiah's own day, and the point of the sign of the young woman (who was either the wife of Isaiah or of king Ahaz) bearing a son is to corroborate an imminent historical event (the destruction of Judah's enemy, Assyria) that Isaiah was prophesying. So, the point is the historical event being prophesied and NOT the sign itself (a very ordinary birth). Added to that, Jesus doesn't even fit into the historical context of the chapter.
All those Christian verbal gymnastics you people use to try to cover over a nonsensical verse in Matthew! Get over it - Matthew abused the Hebrew scriptures and misapplied them. And that's not the only occasion he did! His deceit about the recurring fourteen generations in Matt. 1:17 screams his dishonesty (there are no fourteen generations from Abraham to David, and David to the exiles, and from the exile to Jesus). Check it out for yourself!
@@psandbergnz What I’m attempting to explain is that “parthenos” is a perfectly reasonable Greek translation of “almah’ in Isaiah 7,14. It simply does NOT mean “virgin” in context. It has nothing to do with Jesus and does not prophesy a miraculous, ‘virgin’ birth. That’s not what the translator was trying to convey with that word choice; nor was it how most of the Hellenistic Jewish audience would have understood it. It was probably not something that the author of gMatthew invented. Rather, it was most likely included in his Greek translation of Isaiah. In fact, it was probably in ALL pre-Christian Greek translations of Isaiah.
In Genesis 24 (verses 14, 16, 43, 55), for example, “parthenos” is used to translate a wide variety of Hebrew nouns (naarah, bethulah and almah), all in the same context. And this is in the 1st book of the Penteteuch, which was ostensibly translated by “the seventy” (insofar as this even matters). But that fact gets conveniently ignored in this debate, because the author of gMatthew is supposed to be the scapegoat for the word choice. But the author simply misinterpreted the Greek, or “twisted” it (if you will), to fit his narrative. That’s a ‘twisting’ of the Greek, in this instance; not necessarily the Hebrew.
“Parthenos” was widely used as a generic word for “young maiden” or “young woman”. Ancient Greek literature is chock-full of references to young girls as “parthenoi”. It has absolutely no bearing on their virginal status (their hymens). It simply distinguishes them from mature, married “women”.
There’s a free online database called Perseus, where you can search for instances of Greek words in Greco-Roman literature. There you can see about 1,000 instances of the word “parthenos” in a wide variety of contexts, most of which have English translations available (by clicking the link that says, ’LOAD’ in the upper right-hand corner). If you go through any examples from before the 1st century AD, you’ll find that most of them comport with the meaning of “young girl”. It's also quite often used as an adjective to mean “pure”, like ‘virgin olive oil’. Some translators may render these instances as ‘virgin’ in English. But this is often counter-intuitive, and even has a comical effect in English.
Don’t just take my word for it. Here’s a link you can use to pull up ALL of the instances in Greek and compare them to English translations:
www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/searchresults?q=parqe%2Fnos&target=greek
@Robert Jones I shouldn’t have to explain WHY Hellenistic, Greek-speaking Jews needed a Greek translation. Just read Philo of Alexandria, who relied exclusively on Greek translations. The NT authors appear to be cut from a similar cultural cloth as Philo, in that regard.
The term “Septuagint” (LXX) is defined in various ways in academia. But the standard convention among scholars and textual critics is to refer to ALL of the Greek translations as “Septuagint” in the absence of a better, widely-accepted alternative term. It’s like referring to the ‘Hebrew Bible’ as the ‘Old Testament’, even though some of it’s written in Aramaic and Jews don’t accept the “New Testament”. These are simply naming conventions.
In some instances, when comparing later recensions of the so-called 'Septuagint' (i.e. the Kaige-Th revision or the Hexapla) to earlier versions (i.e. the so-called “Original Greek” or “OG” text), the term “Septuagint” can be used in relation to the latter category, to differentiate it from later Greek versions. But “Septuagint” still acts largely as an umbrella term in the scholarly literature.
The Letter of Aristeas is really our only (dubious) source for the legend of the 72 translators. So take this narrative with a grain of salt. That said, there’s no reason to idealize the initial translation of the Pentateuch over the subsequent translations of later books. ALL of the translators were anonymous (just as many of the Biblical authors were). We simply have to evaluate the manuscripts that have survived on their own merit, many of which are composite texts - showcasing various translations by different hands. Some are hyper-literal and some are paraphrastic. That’s the domain of Textual Criticism.
@@choreologychannel , O.K. but why is Mat.1:22 using Isaiah 7:14 in reference to the virgin birth of Jesus, which has just been explained in the Gospel? Don't lose sight of the context of Matthew chapter 1! The angel Gabriel has just explained Mary's virginal pregnancy to a very perplexed Joseph, who was reluctant to marry Mary on noticing her predicament. So Matthew takes the literal meaning of "parthenos" ("virgin") from Isaiah chapter 7, to incorrectly apply it to Mary's condition. Even if Matthew couldn't understand Hebrew (or didn't have access to it), the context of Isaiah chapter 7 excludes Jesus from it.
Doesn't he know that the context of Isaiah chapter 7 can have nothing to do with Jesus?
@@psandbergnz I can only speculate why the author of gMatthew might have (mis)interpreted Isaiah 7,14 as a messianic prophesy. I suspect it has something to do with the 'God is with us' concept. It's not the only instance of dubious quotations of prophesy in gMatthew. Isaiah 7,14 certainly appears to be the bottom of the barrel in terms of its applicability. I make no excuses for that. I think we're both in agreement there.
I think he could have simply misinterpreted the part about the 'virgin' conception. Or he was intentionally 'twisting' it. By the late Hellenistic period the semantic range of "parthenos" actually became restricted in Greek to the 'literal meaning' (as you call it) of 'virgin'. It was used less often to refer to 'young maidens' at that point, and that's how it is to this day in Modern Greek. So the evangelist's misunderstanding may have been influenced by this linguistic trend. Or his Gospel may have actually effected the trend, as Christianity grew in popularity in the Greek-speaking world.
I love Rabbi Tovia's sense of humour!!! He is so entertaining. Love his videos.
I love this channel. Keep up the good work.
Do you have a downloadable podcast or solely on TH-cam? Thanks!
We will be launching the podcast soon
42:13 Boogey chilluns. lol. From non Jewish Gentile moms. Being told they were by Jewish Law, just as they would be today, they were not Jewish would be pretty strong motivation to form a new theology. Sort of like the Herodian Schizophrenia that was probably flopping around socially in first century Judea . Paul identifies with the Herodians as his Brethren . hmmmmm
His arguments are old and worn out, Christianity in general has addressed every single concern many times over now. All the atheists are like "I love Tovia and I am an atheists." So what I am hearing is, "I love anyone that is biased and *TRIES* to tear down the NT." But never mind the info they aren't telling me...I just want to hate Christianity. Why the bias?
Have you ever thought about putting on a person who can defend the NT on your show? I don't mean a mainstream christian that is all about Torah being abolished, but someone who does apologetics? Trust me when I say Tovia's statements are biased and he hide info from you all. Want the truth, give all sides to your listeners and let them decide OR you are just as bad as the church you proclaim to expose here.
Why dont you call him and debate him? Try it...just try it...you will be trapped the first 3 minutes...because you are living a lie and have a difficult time opening your mind to truth
@malkooth if you knew an iota of history or truth...you'd take a nice look in the mirror and not recognize the face staring back at you
because they think inside of a box
Derek - great banter between you and Rabbi Singer. Laughing 😂🤣 lots
I am a Torah observant Jewess from birth and found your shorter videos on Rabbi Singer's channel and then saw these videos with him on your channel
Please, you need to have Rabbi Singer on more.
Next time you talk with him on your show, tell him, "kinderlach, it's all bubba meisas"- which is Yiddish for, children it's all fairy tales!! (language Rabbi Singer grew up with, too)
You can also say to him, "brit chadasha, ha'kol sheker!" Hebrew for, the new testament, it's all lies!!
We Are MythVision
It literally hurts watching the Babyface listen to Tovia with the faith and facial expression of a child.
Dude, *the "like a lion my hands and feet" is definitely a corrupt version of the original "pierced my hands and feet".*
*The Dead Sea Scroll, found at Nahal Hever, contains several lines from Psalm 22 and it clearly shows that the final letter in the crucial word (כָּאֲרוּ) is a waw (וּ), not a yod (י) This confirms that the word should be translated "they pierced/dug" rather than "like a lion".*
And the Septuagint of 200BCE also has the correct reading "pierced my hands and feet" (and no, the Septuagint wasn't translated by the apostles!).
*The fact is the Hebrew word "like a lion" is almost identical to "pierced' so the masorets who corrupted Hebrew texts in the 9th century, couldn't resist altering the word to their end.* If it was "like a cat" I am sure they would still do it.
*Anybody with at least half a brain can figure out "like a lion my hands and feet" is clearly textual corruption as it makes absolutely no sense and sounds incomplete as if somebody has tampered with evidence. It's missing the main subject-verb: like a lion WHAT - lick, kiss, chew on my hands and feet?*
And adding the "at" there is no help. What is this "like a lion at my hands and feet" nonsense all about anyway?
You peeps, love being deceived, huh?
Let's face it, believers are not discerning scholars who research and investigate incredible claims. For the most part, they are humble pew sitters who were downloaded with theistic software from Mom & Dad and they're all too happy to run it. Give them fellowship and community and maybe some crumb cake and coffee after a nice sermon and they're good to go. Just whatever you do, don't try to confuse them with the facts.👈😊
I'm very scholarly and so is Dr. Michael Brown and Dr. James White. Sid Roth. Pastor Schneider. By the way, almost everyone I just listed is Jewish and believes Jesus is Messiah. Watch Michael Brown debate Tovia LYING Singer and win. Tovia is an amateur. But they all are. He's mad Jesus rose from the dead and he spends his life trying to get people to believe him. He's a sad boy. I say boy because he isn't a man. Bible says truthfully that real men worship God. Tovia does not. He denies the Son and by doing that, he doesn't have the Father. I suggest you get a clue.
@@godssweetword9800 judging from your cocksure and arrogant tone, am I to believe that you consider yourself to be a 'good' and 'trustworthy' vessel to communicate good and accurate information?
@Abraham Mani most pew sitters cannot read Hebrew. Hence, they are completely unaware of the deliberate mistranslations, deceptions, and corruptions of Jewish Scripture perpetrated by the gospel writer's.
When these lies and deceptions were exposed (in painstaking detail) I had no choice but to conclude it was most likely a product of hopeful Jewish men living under the shadow the Roman Empire who had hoped Jesus was the promised Jewish Messiah who would usher in the messianic era. There were many such figures who claimed (and for whom the claim was made) held messianic potential. Unfortunately He, (like tens of thousands of other Jews) was crucified by the brutal Roman authorities and never fulfilled the prophetic messianic expectations so disappointed followers began searching for an alternative explanation.
Unfortunately, disappointment and desperation often sets the stage for denial and self delusion.
Once upon a time there was a tribe living in the Middle East that had a collection of sacred texts written in Hebrew, Chaldean and Aramaic. It is the nature of sacred tests to be venerated and transmitted from generation to generation unaltered.
As time passed members of this tribe emigrated to areas where Hebrew and Aramaic and Chaldean were not spoken. A large community settled and prospered in the city of Alexandria in Egypt. Greek replaced their tribal language. They needed an accurate translation of their venerated documents into Greek.
Around 250 B.C. seventy rabbis translated the sacred texts into Greek. This translation was not a bootleg edition. The project was approved by the High Priest and the Sanhedrin in Jerusalem. The Septuagint, the translation of the seventy, was an official document.
A Hebrew Bible exists today. It is used by Jews everywhere. It is called the Masoretic text. It was compiled around 700 A.D. It is almost one thousand years newer than the Septuagint. The rabbis who compiled the Masoretic text were not accountable to the High Priest in Jerusalem. There no longer was a High Priest. The rabbis who compiled the Masoretic text were not accountable to the Sanhedrin in Jerusalem. There no longer was a Sanhedrin.
The Septuagint predates the first appearance of the Masoretic text by almost ten centuries. The Septuagint is based upon Hebrew texts at least twelve centuries older than the texts upon which the Masoretic version is based. Yet, modern Christian translations of the Old Testament rely on the Masoretic Text, not the Septuagint.
Where is the problem?
Most of the quotations from the Old Testament in the New Testament used the Septuagint as their primary source. The integrity and truthfulness of the Septuagint is completely dependent on the Septuagint being a truthful translation. Discredit the Septuagint and there is no New Testament.
There was no controversy about the integrity of the Septuagint from 250 B.C. until 135 A. D.
What had happened to provoke dissatisfaction with the Septuagint among the Jews?
Annas and Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin had rejected the messianic claims of Jesus. The New Testament documents had been written and were circulating by A.D. 70. The Jews knew that the credibility of the Christian Gospels depended on the credibility of the Septuagint. Something had to be done.
Around 95 A.D. Rabbi Akiva, who later proclaimed Bar Kochba as the messiah, hired a man named Aquila to translate a Hebrew to Greek version of the Old Testament that would undermine the messianic claims of Jesus found in the Septuagint. Some scholars believe that the Masoretic text was based in part on this tendentious translation by Aquila.
How is the Masoretic text different from the Septuagint?
Psalm 22:16 the word “pierced” has been replaced by “lion”.
Psalm 145: 13 omitted entirely.
Isaiah 53:11 the word “light” is omitted.
On 134 occasions the Tetragrammaton, the name of God, has been replaced by “Adonai”.
Psalm 151 was omitted entirely. (It is now omitted by almost all Christian Bibles !)
Exodus 1: The number 75 replaced by 70
Genesis 10:24 some generations removed.
Deuteronomy 32:8 “Angels Of Elohim” replaced with “children of Israel.”
Jeremiah 10 verses 6 and 7 have been added in the Masoretic.
Psalm 96:10 “Say among the nations, YHWH reigns from the wood” omitted.
Isaiah 19:18 “city of righteousness” changed to the “city of the sun” or in some versions “the city of destruction.”
The Masoretic scribes purposely and willfully rearranged the original chapter order in the prophetic Book of Daniel, so that the chapters make no sense chronologically.
Isaiah 61:1 “recovery of sight to the blind.”. Omitted.
In Psalm 40:6 “a body you have prepared for me” was replaced by “you opened my ears.”
Deuteronomy 32:43 ‘Let all the messengers of Elohim worship him.’” Omitted.
Genesis 4:8: “Let us go into the field” is omitted.
Deuteronomy 32:43. Moses’ song is shortened.
Isaiah 53 contains 10 spelling differences, 4 stylistic changes and 3 missing letters for light in verse 11, for a total of 17 differences.
Isaiah 7:14. “Virgin” replaced by “young woman.”
(When Aquila made his Greek translation of the Old Testament at the behest of Rabbi Akiva, he changed the Septuagint’s “virgin” into “young woman”. The Masoretic compilers may have followed his lead.)
The Masoretic text differs from the Septuagint in hundreds of places.
How do we know which text is accurate?
The Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered just after World War II.
According to carbon dating, textual analysis, and handwriting analysis the documents were written at various times between the middle of the 2nd century BC and the 1st century AD. There are fragments from all of the books of the Hebrew Bible fragments except the Book of Esther and the Book of Nehemiah.
In addition an independent Aramaic translation of the Hebrew Bible exists, the Peshitta.
Control of the Dead Sea Scrolls was a military objective of Israelis. It was achieved by their victory in the Six Days War.
The publication of the scrolls slowed to a trickle.
After 1971, the international team even refused to allow the publication of photographs of the material. They excluded scholars who wanted to make independent evaluations.
The embargo was not broken until 1991.
An addition to the Dead Sea Scrolls, scholars can use the Peshitta to decide between the Masoretic text and the Septuagint.
I have given examples above of some of the places the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Peshitta, and the Septuagint agree.
The Masoretic Text is part of a tradition that began with Rabbi Akiva. Rabbis rewrote the Jewish Bible to destroy the credibility of the New Testament.
The Hebrew versions of the Old Testament have been used to proclaim scores of “messiahs” . The Septuagint was only used once.
Can I get a source or sources for this?
Is it possible to go back and check if what he said about septuagint being actually written in 2dn century and what was written before jesus was only the Torah?? Cause i heard some Jewish historians and never mentioned that. 🤔
Jesus just means saviour in Greek, Titus called all rebellious leaders Jesus, satire, Titus was Jacob, Israel, Enoch before that, Is Isis, Ra Sol,El Elohim The Mighty one, Archangel Micheal who fathers the Chrestus, Titus wrote All biblical scripture, he's Greek not Jewish why they always give you the Greek translation, ORIGINAL language, Google Hebrew is Greek by Joseph Yahuda the Jewish lawyer, he'll show you proof that Hebrew and Aramaic came from the Greek language, Israelites were Greek, Jews are Asian Greeks.
You should get an archeologist to tear down Judaism and expose it for the fraud it is, the next time you have the Rabbi on.
Judaism is not fraudulent because it acknowledges that their is only God.
And it trusts the chosen servants of God found in the Jewish bible, whom did not add or take away from the word of God.
A chosen prophet of God and their writings must be inline with the Torah.
The Christian doctrine claims are not inline with the Torah, and this is one of the many reasons why the Jewish faithful reject it's claims.
Shalom
Or you could start with me. I'm Jewish. Go ahead and expose Judaism for "the fraud it is."
@@timothya.olmeda7299 There never was an exodus, there never was a Solomon, his words of wisdom were copied from the Egyptian, "Instructions of Amenemope." Your mythology was created by the priesthood who returned from Babylon. Those are historical facts. One fraud created another.
@@curtisscissons563 There never was an exodus, there never was a Solomon, his words of wisdom were copied from the Egyptian, "Instructions of Amenemope." Your mythology was created by the priesthood who returned from Babylon. Those are historical facts. One fraud created another.
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Ignoramus, Gods covenant with Israel was the last covenant with man.
How we know this to be true is from the Jewish faithful, who cling to the commands, statutes, laws and judgements of God and guard them and teach them to the nations, and from the nation of Israel being sheltered and delivered by God.
If what you say is true, then God would have chosen Egypt or Babylon as his chosen servant.
But the fact of the matter is, Babylon was destroyed, and Egypt was cursed with the plagues and neither have recovered since.
So therefore, where is your proof that God made a covenant with someone else?
Where is your tablets of stone with the written laws of the creator, and where is the proof that the creator established his demands to the world verbally?
This would have needed to take place in order for the world to be inline with Gods basic laws, as the entire world is today.
Again, you are trying to go way beyond what is written, and what was beyond has no concern with Gods last covenant with man.
What matters is, what's Gods opinion?
Isaiah
41:8-9
44:1
44:21
45:4
48:20
49:3.........
.......the stunned reaction of the worlds nations to the unexpected vindication and redemption of the Jewish nation in the messianic age is a reoccurring theme throughout the Books of Moses.
The word "You" in the above passages signifies the Jewish people who are, again, sheltered and delivered by God.
No other nation of the times in scripture has kept record of the family lineage of the chosen servants of God like that of the Jewish bible.
Gods chosen people are named and written in the book of Numbers, were it states who begot who.
And scripture also tells us who prospered and who didn't.
What makes you think your claims are correct?
Again, whose to say that what you claim was made up, and fashioned to make the Jewish scriptures seem to be false?
Because according to historical facts, and even till today, the fact of the matter is Israel has become a nation again, just as God promised, and Israel is once again flourishing with vegetation and water springing forth from the ground.
Again, where is your proof?
Where is your claims obvious proof through actual substance of your proclamation that the Jewish faithful and the Jewish scriptures are mythology?
Because in this world, it is very clear who the God of Israel has chosen as his servant.
There is no denying it.
Again, it is a reoccurring theme. Not just in biblical times.
But in the present time as well.
Otherwise your eyes have been closed shut, and must be living under a rock, and are ignorant through your inheritance of animosity towards the nation of Israel.
And how do I know?
Because ever since I began to be taught properly the word of God, from rabbi's, the Jewish faithful, and stepped away from the born into belief system I myself inherited, I have become intuitive like never before, have the tools to gain knowledge of God through understanding and through the experience of his instruction, and gained a desire to understand God through the written word of God, and have been able to walk away from my shortcomings, which includes all of my bad habits, both physically and mentally, and no longer am a slave to insecurities nor anxieties, nor phobias and superstitions.
Which allows one to let God have control, and trusting God.
And through seeking Gods truth earnestly, and loving God with all of my heart and with all of my soul, God allows you to begin a proper relationship with God, which is never predictable, always evolving, through being tried and tested every moment of your remaining life, both while awake and in your sleep.
No longer do I have an ounce of a doubt, not even for a moment, and sense a realization that those before me had similar experiences, even the same experiences, depending on the stage of their development in their proper relationship with the God of Israel.
And as I continue to guard Gods word, found in the Jewish scriptures, and defend the claims written in the Tanahk against those like you who have a different opinion, my knowledge then increases and am rewarded for it in so many ways. And as I continue to express my gratitude to the those who have taught me well, like that of rabbi Singer and others who are faithful to Gods word, and also from God himself, and from my own souls yearning for truth, life has become even more worthwhile as I have found my purpose, from all the different avenues that I could have gone, and the many talents I had possessed since childhood.
Because logically and spiritually I finally realize I've chosen wisely.
May you find out for yourself and experience Gods mercy in your time of doubt.
That through your animosity towards what is written in the Jewish scriptures, and what is written through man, even as far back as possible in what you claim to be true, that you will one day understand that what is told in the Jewish scriptures is indeed the last covenant with man.
Shalom
Using your fiction to debunk other fiction... hilarious:)
as blind a fool as your homeboy, jesus ,is and your fake religion is , as well.
@@nasdaqua Try to make a "sentence". Using your fiction to debunk other fiction is hilarious:)
@@batmandeltaforce Using your circumcised brain to think your comment has any validity to it is even more hilarious:) :)..
@@nasdaqua Ever heard of Zoroaster?
@@batmandeltaforce You've accused me of not writing a complete sentence. read what you have written above; that's not a complete sentence either.
But there is a various reading here which is of great importance. Instead of כארו ca’aru, they pierced, which is what is called the kethiv, or marginal reading, and which our translators have followed; the keri or textual reading is כארי ca’ari, “as a lion”. In support of each reading there are both MSS. and eminent critics. The Chaldee has, "Biting as a lion my hands and my feet;" but the Syriac, Vulgate, Septuagint, Ethiopic, and Arabic read, "they pierced or digged;" and in the Anglo-Saxon the words translate: "They dalve (digged) hands mine, and feet mine."
The Complutensian Polyglot has כארו ca’aru, “they digged” or “pierced”, in the text; for which it gives כרה carah, “to cut,” “dig”, or “penetrate”, in the margin, as the root whence כארו is derived. But the Polyglots of Potken, Antwerp, Paris. and London, have כארי ca’ari in the text; and כארו ca’aru is referred to in the margin; and this is the case with the most correct Hebrew Bibles. The whole difference here lies between י yod and ו vav, which might easily be mistaken for each other; the former making “like a lion;” the latter, “they pierced.” The latter is to me most evidently the true reading.
If the root word is a verb כָּרָה (ca’rah) “to dig” as in Genesis 50:5 (“which I dug for myself in the land”). אֲשֶׁ֨ר כָּרִ֤יתִי לִי֙ בְּאֶ֣רֶץ. Or as, (“...sepulchres which he had cut for himself in the city..”). בְקִבְרֹתָ֗יו אֲשֶׁ֣ר כָּֽרָה־ לוֹ֮ בְּעִ֣יר. Then the verse would read literally:
“For surrounded me dogs, a company of wicked has enclosed me, they dig my hands and my feet.”
But if the verse be read as a noun כָּֽאֲרִ֔י (ca’ari) “as a lion” which root is אֲרִי (ari), then the verse would literally read:
“For surrounded me dogs, a company of wicked has enclosed me, like a lion my hands and my feet.” This rendering is very awkward. The latter part of the verse is odd and meaningless.
Oh my god, has no one pointed out “septulagent” yet🤦🏽♂️
Septuagint you mean, original bible original language, why they always give you the Greek translation, ORIGINAL language obviously.
@@tyronecox5976 Buddy… I was pointing out the mispronunciation in the video…
“Septulagent”. 😂
While Rabbi Singer makes a lot of good points and has clearly done his homework, he goes a lot easier on his Jewish sources than he does on the Christian ones- the story that the Septuagint was commissioned by King Ptolemy, for example, appears only in Jewish sources- the Talmud and the "Letter of Aristeas"- and there's no evidence that anyone but Greek-speaking Jews like Philo ever read it.
Matthieu 5 -
17Do not think that I have come to destroy the law or the prophets; I came not to abolish, but to fulfill. 18For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall pass from the law until all is accomplished. 19Whoever then breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men to do likewise, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever observes them, and teaches them to observe them, the same will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.…
Qumran cave 7. Manuscript fragment 7q5 is dated between 50BC and 50 AD and cannot be after 68 AD when the cave was sealed. THE ONLY THING IT MATCHES IS MARK 6:52 ---- Scholars either argue, it matches nothing, or they argue it matches Mark. There are no other options. There is serious ignorance with comments made in this video.
Douglas Vogt 5 part series on here.... is really interesting on the author of New Testament
Isaiah 12:2
Surely God is my salvation; I will trust and not be afraid. The LORD, the LORD himself, is my strength and my defense; he has become my salvation."
Isaiah 12:2
Surely God is my YESHUA; I will trust and not be afraid. The LORD, the LORD himself, is my strength and my defense; he has become my YESHUA."
😅😅😅😅😅. Con you corrupt the Tanakh 😂