How Old Is The Hebrew Bible || Russell Gmirkin
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- How old is the Hebrew Bible?
Russell Gmirkin is an independent researcher specializing in the composition of the Torah (or Pentateuch, the first five books of the bible: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy) as well as the Dead Sea Scrolls. He is most well known for his defense of the view that the Pentateuch was written in its entirety by a team of Jewish scholars working in the Library of Alexandria in 273-272 BCE, who also published the Septuagint Greek translation of the Torah around the same time. This is a much later date of composition than has been traditionally accepted, although a significant minority of scholars now support his Hellenistic dating of the Pentateuch.
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Berossus and Genesis, Manetho and Exodus:
Hellenistic Histories and the Date of the Pentateuch
(New York-London: T&T Clark, 2006)
Plato and the Creation of the Hebrew Bible
(London-New York: Routledge, 2017)
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Salutes from Egypt Derek, keep it up scratching this huge mythical overlay that took over our minds & souls.
The Egyptian Khem became the O.T. Ham. This god always had an erect penis and evidently Noah was the butt of Ham's joke.
@Yose BenDovid
Oh look, a Jew shilling for Jewish Supremacy! And trying to guilt people by using anti-White slurs.
@Yose BenDovid
Methuselah is a composite of three deities. The Estruscan sun god is probably the easiest to see.
@Yose BenDovid but I'm not sure if this guy was saying that I mean there's lots of ancient literature coming from the middle east
@Yose BenDovid I see your point and his hypothesis is very bizzar
I find Russell's idea compelling. The Old Testament feels to me like something that was a product of the Hellenistic age. The strongest objection I've encountered to his idea is that if he's right you might expect to find some Greek loan words in the Hebrew text and there supposedly isn't. I'd like to hear what he thinks about that.
Good question
Great question, you may have shot down his theories right there , they would not know any better what words existed or not!! Still a great show tho
@@fleadoggreen9062 i have since heard Gmirkin answer this question. He argues (not surprisingly) that you shouldn't necessarily expect Greek loan words in the Hebrew text. But who knows? Hopefully future scholarship will dig deeper into this. I actually like his theory and want it to be true, but I also don't want to just accept it because of that.
I think the conservative Jews stay clear of this video, but I hope one shows up. It's quite hilarious how far up their own Bible they are.
Pardon me if I sound dumb, but why would anyone **expect** there to be Greek loan words, if it was originally **written** in Hebrew, and then translated into Greek, or written simultaneously/concurrently in **both,** as part of the same project, by scholars/scribes likely fluent in **both** languages, who would know the correct ways to say things in each language? 🤷♂🤦♂
Your podcast is quickly becoming my favorite. You are an excellent interviewer, you have very interesting guests, and I love your passion. Thank you for what you’re doing! Keep up the great work, man.
This will be a freak out for Rabbi Singer 😁
I'd like to see his response/reaction to this tbh
Singer is great when he's taking Christianity apart but on Judaism he sounds like any Christian fundamentalist.
@@rickelmonoggin I agree. He seems to think Judaism is somehow from "above", when in fact it's man-made as any other religion
@@SuddenStorm982 Few are better than religious believers in attacking other religions. Believers attack their competitors with more vigour and enthusiasm than any atheist could.
Rabbi Singer believes in "a" talking snake. Taking myth in a literal sense is not sane.
Hey dude, just wanted to say thank you for constantly bringing incredible guests who are sharing this info, much appreciated.
Russell gives a new meaning to the word de-constuction. Brilliant work !
Derek, you are magic bro. You know, I have been stuyding the Hebrew religion because it is my belief that if you want to destroy both the myths of Christianity and Islam, you have to hit them in the head. And the head is the origins of the Hebrew religion. I am now studying the history of the Hebrew language, a book with the exact name Angel Saenz-Badillos(sorry for mispelling the name of the author). For the same reason. And now you brought Russel Gmirkin as a source of my research. You are so far the best youtube channel I have subcribed to. To rock bro.👊🏿👊🏿👊🏿❤️
What about destroying Judaism?
Russ, you deserve a TED Talk platform! So fascinated by your research, your thought process, and I wish I could afford your books! Sometimes, as an atheist, I think the field of religious studies might be seen as pointless, but it is human history, and has so much to contribute to understanding our past and our psychology. Recently now I have time to read and think, been reviewing Elaine Pagels, Bart Erhman, and your colleague in Europe (sorry, name escapes me)…nerd-play…andThank you Mr. Lambert for providing Mr. Gmirkin this platform!
I would love to read Gmirkin's books but they now cost a fortune. How can we get them at reasonable prices?
If an earthquake shatters your gods, it wasn't the quake. It was my god.
Indeed
That’s brilliant!
Amazing! Derek, you handled this interview so well and Grmikin goes into the cart, Time to push that button.
Re Berossus, a priest of MARDUK, who in the Babylonian myth fights a battle with the demon Tiamat, it's essentially the same as Archangel Michael fighting a Red Dragon and casting it on earth which also is reminiscent of his being ordered to bind the Watchers in chains in the bottomless pits in the Book of Enoch. Tiamat is mentioned as Tehom, the Deep, in Genesis 1, and the Spirit of God hovering over those waters are the Adam of Light seen by the Archons with a similar description.. in the Nag Hammadi text 'On the Origin of the World'.
This was a diamond mine of knowledge. Thanks my Brother 🙌🏾💯
Another great show, Derek. I think it’s time christianity would pull their head out of the Bible and look at it from outside in.
Edmund Spenser - I would agree with your comment. Somehow, as a former christian for 25 years, it doesn’t make all that much of a difference. For me, the bottom line is that the Bible is not what it claims to be. I think that what this guy, and many other scholars are doing by proving all these issues that the Bible has it’s simply showing that the Bible is a over-glorified book of mythology.
Discovering (learning) that the Bible was just another book of borrowed and overcooked mythology, and sold back to the masses with the fear of the preverbal sword of Damocles hanging over their eternity, was the number one reason for abandoning my 25 years of faith. It was not the only reason, but the main reason that started the avalanche of faith to roll down. It took me about six years of digging into so many other aspects of it but the lie and the deception of the Bible was not just the spark of it, but pretty much the actual fire as well. Looking through the ashes and the rubble it only makes me wonder why i bought this nonsense in the first place. The fear of an imaginary hell will make you accept, love and believe so many other imaginary cliches that will mess up your mind to the point of being ready to die for it when, in fact, there’s nothing in it to even live for in the first place. Please, don’t think i’m judging you, not at all. It’s your life, do whatever you want. I was only trying to tell you what i’ve learned once i looked at the Bible from outside in (original comment).
Edmund Spenser - i don’t know how far out the door of christianity you are right now, and i certainly don’t want to put thoughts and ideas in your head. I’m not interested in de-converting anybody, unlike the christians who all they’re interested in is to convert everybody. I don’t know how much and what kind of research you’ve done pro and against the claims of the Bible, so i’d rather not assume anything. All i want from people is to pull their heads out of the sand and use it freely for once. I’m not saying you have your head buried in the sand. In fact, you even agree with me that the Bible is a book of mythology. I don’t think that someone with his head in the sand would agree to that. I was only referring in general, speaking out of experience. There’s so much to learn, so much to catch up with. I repeat, i don’t know how much intellectual effort you have put in to walking out the door process, but if you’ve just started i have to worn you, you’ve got a looooooong way ahead of you. It took me six years of research, of sleepless nights, dark days, of fighting with my own denial, fighting to let go of the imaginary, wrestling with my own mind, but eventually this yellow brick road led me home to freedom of being human, freedom of thinking for myself, freedom from unproven threats and empty blissful promises, freedom to be reasonable.
Again, far from me telling you what to do but standing in the door is not ideal, you’ll never get anywhere by standing in the door. Not a good place hang about for too long. Soon you’ll have to make a decision, in or out. Remember to shut the door behind you though.
Christians may read the Bible, but the information passes through filters of indoctrination. Misled, confused, and they don't even know it.
My 2 cents: Derek I think the line "We are Mythvision" would work really well over the Mythvision clip. Done with heavy sound effects, reverb or echo or something of that nature.
I agree. Evolve it to be more entertaining.
Great show with great new information and insight.
Derek do a show on modern Israel, demonstrate how the nation came about through the Balfour Declaration and lord Rothschild. Ask questions like when did they repent as a nation? Who makes up the population of Israel? Why are they secular and predominately atheists? Just do an in depth study and find someone who has studied this subject. This is important because much of Christianity and religious Judaism both place a heavy emphasis on the return of Israel to the land. But what if this isn't the case and wouldn't that make their faith and especially eschatology fall apart?
Just for the record I'm not anti Semitic, and truth is truth whether we like it or not.
If I remember correctly Ezekiel says that God will give Israel a new clean heart that never again strays from God BEFORE God restores them to the Promised Land. The state of Israel is not that.
@@777Atum Yes you are correct, Israel was repeatedly removed from the land for disobedience, and repentance was always the condition for access again to the land. So when did modern Israel repent?
When I was a Christian I was a part of a church that believed that this current state of Israel would be one day devastated by the armies of the Antichrist (possibly Islamic) in a second, worse Holocaust. This would be the "time of Jacob's trouble." At the end, the surviving remnant of Israel will turn to Jesus, because of the church's witness to them during the great tribulation, and Jesus will return to save them and then the "rapture" would happen.
@@777Atum Yes I was too, dispensationalism is the technical term for this method of studying scripture. Oddly it's the least literal when you must chop off the 70th week of Daniel and place it in the future just to get a 7 year trib. and all the condiments they dish out with that weird way of reading Daniel. This guy in the video has the correct understanding of Daniel, even Tovia Singer has it wrong. He won't admit he is wrong because that would mean Daniel was just another failed prophecy, like the Island of Tyre being utterly destroyed and sunk into the water, or Egypt being uninhabited for 40 years, Ezekiel got both of those prophecies wrong. I went from Pre trib to pre-wrath, to post trib to preterism, to agnostic inside the period of 5 years.
@@c.a.martin3029 we identified it as Classic Premillennial, post tribulation eschatology. I was raised in pretrib. Studying the Bible led me to post trib. Then we met Art Katz and became his students in a sense.
Would love for you to have Mr. Gmirkin and Rabbi Tovia Singer on at the same time.
He can't hold a conversation with Rabbi Singer - he will be back footing all his assumptions by admitting they are assumptions and will end up validating all of Singers testimonies
@54:40 I don't agree that there was no Constitution in the Middle East before the Greeks.
What about Hammurabi's Code ?Or the 42 Negative Confessions?
"Independent research". That's a great phrase, I'll borrow it!
Very reminiscent of Dr. Price discussing children of Adam. It took 2000 years for nation states to go from holy fathers to forefathers. Progress! Wish I could see what we call them in another 2000 years.
Most ancient people said they were the children of Saturn/Helios/Ra/Elohim/Enlil.
They all picked the same God for a mysterious resion.
Going from children of God to having Holy fathers then Forefather doesn't seem like progress to me lol
What's Gmirkin's explanation for the differing chronologies given in the LXX and the Hebrew texts of GENESIS? If the original texts were written by Jews in Alexandria, why would they have the Patriarchs' lineage have different sets of numbers (i.e. from Creation to the Flood to Abraham) in the Greek version and Hebrew version? Shouldn't they have been the same all along?
My brother told me about the Elephantine letters so it's great hearing more detail
Awesome show. Like Reuchlin and Atwill on the NT, Gmrikin has shot the apple off Moses' head. His conclusion that the OldT is not so Old totally fits. It is not "Jewish" as such but a man-made religious text that heavily relied on other religions and authors (e.g. sold me on the Plato! - thank you Gmirkin). One important thing I didn't hear him discuss, which others have discussed and in detail, is that BOTH the NT and OT are meticulously composed documents that have an outer meaning for the "sheep" (us peasants!) and a carefully concealed (though not carefully enough) "hidden" meaning for the "initiated." The Jesus character admits this to his disciples when they ask ‘Why do you speak to the people in parables?’ Matthew 13:10-11. The Jesus character even uses spit! to heal the sight of the blind! Spit! So ... he is just blinding people in fact.
Your theory seems dead on. I’d support it by how if you a Septuagint in Greek readable time anyone then what’s to stop the Greeks from making a mystery religion out of a foreign mythology, like what they did with the Isis mystery? It totally gives the appropriate amount of time for this to develop.
I would welcome another show w Mr Gmirkin on Revelations n it's introduction into scribe.
Thanks 4 a super interview. Great questions. Great guest.
“Is Israel directly descended from YHWH?” “Umm, that is conceivable.” Gosh I hope that pun was intended.
Whoa. I was actually thinking just a few days ago that you should interview Gmirkin. Had no clue he was even on your radar. Can't wait to watch this.
In case you haven't seen his other interviews, check out the playlist I just made:
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@@MGmirkin Thoughtful of you. I really appreciate it.
I have only read his first book. It's a mouthful of a title but starts with Berossus. From what i remember the Greek parallels like the one you gave as an example, are barely if at all mentioned in his book. The book is scholarly and competant. What gives me pause is it's hard for me to grasp the whole Pentateuch was composed around the same time with all the clear signs of sources in the text, which sources Gmikin acknowledges, just wish he elaborated more on it in the book. So if the thesis is correct, there would be different scribes or committees contradicting each other in key areas yet they just agree to disagree( on important issues) then merge their text together, and then proceed to translate it into Greek from the Hebrew they synthesized not long ago. That sounds like it would take a great deal of work. I do agree the Pentateuch final composition is late and i think there may be some hellenistic influence, however wish there was a wider time frame to account for the evidence of discrepancies, debate and retcon in the 5 books.
Hate to be that guy but David was not the first king of Israel. Saul was before him and constantly tried to have him assassinated because he knew God was trying to replace him with David. I'm not a Christian but any Christian critic who heard that would immediately dismiss this guy "Oh, he doesn't even know the bible, he hasn't read it, David wasn't the first king of Israel" and so forth. We have to be extremely careful to get all of our information exactly right because any error no matter how minor Christians will use to say "See? This argument doesn't hold up. The guy doesn't know what he's talking about."
The Greeks used their gods/goddesses to symbolize humanity. It was not that separate; mostly nature.
Excellent interview once again - thanks Russell and Derek !!! We could be seeing the decline and fall of the Documentary Hypothesis as the paradigm through which the creation of the Hebrew Bible is currently being viewed. The basis of Russell's new theory - it seems to me - rests upon a sound basis of historical methodology which casts dogma aside and follows the chronological patterns of all the available evidence. Interesting about many types of gods in antiquity. Particularly in the segment 40:00-42:25 - the contest between which type of gods ultimately survived in the political and military context of the epoch. The Good god of Plato loses out to a jealous and monotheistic god. "The philosophers are kicked to the curb". Road kill to those waging war and genocide to appease a monotheistic god. (presumably for profit). This seems a common theme in the implementation phase of all the major "Book Religions" (Judaism, Christianity, Islam). They all appear to be control mechanisms imposed during the rule of supreme military commanders. They all involve some version of a "National literature of Approved Texts". No doubt any detractors of Russell's theory will be prepared to follow up the over one thousand footnotes. Amateur historians such as Russell have an advantage in that they are not constrained to follow any particular party line. Especially in the choices in the questions they may ask. Edward Gibbon was also an amateur historian. He stirred up the church industry. So will Russ' books IMHO. I'd be interested to learn of Doctor Bob's responses to these new ideas.
The Amateur Historian
Author(s): WHITFIELD J. BELL JR.
Source: New York History, Vol. 53, No. 3 (JULY 1972), pp. 265-281
Published by: New York State Historical Association
Stable URL: www.jstor.org/stable/23164698
Bless you !!! You articulate the post-evangelical experience so beautifully! I don’t think anyone can grok it unless they live it. I think we still internalize those values, but in our own way.
In our own way, yes. Spirituality is inward.
The Documentary Hypothesis was created as an apologetic. It was devised as a reaction to Spinoza's contention that the first nine books of the Bible were written hundreds of years after Moses lived. Apologists could not let this stand, thus the search for bronze age "evidence" began in earnest. None was found, but imaginary "sources" (J, E, and P) were substituted. Biblicists could not accept the idea that the first nine books were written in the Persian or Hellenistic eras.
...literally no one thinks J, E, P, or D came from the Bronze Age, and no one ever did. The earliest the most conservatives ever dated J and E was like...the 900s? Centuries after the Bronze Age ended. Most JEPD scholars now think all of them were much later than that. So...I'm not even sure what your conspiracy is
@@erimgard3128 The sources supposedly came from the Bronze Age, not the texts themselves, according to the hypothesis. Sorry I wasn't clear about that.
@@codex3048 Except no they didn't? Again, what serious scholar holds this idea?
J and E are generally seen as being composed orally in the LATE Monarchy period (700s-600s BC, very much Iron Age) with later additions made while the Jews were under Babylon, Persia, and Greece
P is thought to contain remnants of old priestly code from the Monarchy period (again, Iron Age) with later additions made in captivity
And D is generally accepted as being written at the end of Judah as the Yahweh-only movement became more prominent. It's literally just an Assyrian vassal treaty that replaces Assyria with Yahweh. Because in the 600s, Assyria was weakening, and Judah wanted to revolt
ALL of this is happening in the Iron Age.
The CLOSEST you get is that there are a few poem passages that are written in an archaic form of Hebrew that seems closer to Ugaritic. Some scholars think these poems, and there are very few, might date to just AFTER the Bronze Age Collapse. Not before. After. And these are said to be the VERY oldest material.
The overwhelming vast majority of scholarship accepts that everything in the Bronze Age portion of the Bible is myth. JEPD doesn't contradict that.
@@erimgard3128 Thanks for your informative reply. Can you recommend a good recent book that summarizes these arguments?
Love it . . . great work.
Lots of powerful dictators taught that they were devine and unquestionable. The beginning of monotheism? Depends on the time and forward.
The 40 year war of the Diadochi had a lot of influence on the stories.
enjoyed that a LOT. Subscribed.
Why was Babylon Gate of God? What god and why?
Balal (confusion) was mistranslated as Babel. The primary meaning of Egypt, Ethiopia, and Babylon in biblespeak, is the winter season of exile, slavery, coldness, wetness, blindness, and hunger. Recommend "Hebrew Mythology," by Milton Woolley. It's free on the net.
Another explanation for Elephantine beliefs could be that the books we now know as the Torah were not widely accepted as god-inspired... e.g. the Elephantine “Jews” were of a different general sect/belief than the Torah writers (I am not saying that the Torah authors agreed on everything)
Gmirkin is a rare original thinker, a natural intellectual detective.
But dude-too many ads. I am ok with 3 but come on....all these ads yikes. Don’t be greedy.
The weakness of this theory is the seeming different ages and perspectives of the different sources P, J, E, D which are layered together. It makes less sense to think this was all put together at one time than it does to think the sources were added over time. Obviously someone had to write it all down at one point, but it's not clear that point was 270 BCE.
exactly
Plus Deuteronomy is literally just an Assyrian Vassal Contract, but with the emperor substituted for Yahweh. Pretty weird for that to be invented wholesale by Greeks over 300 years after Assyria collapsed
Goliath must have had his helmet off or the stone would not have hit him in the nose/forehead.
All these ads really kill the mood 😩
This is a interesting re-listen after the convo with Dr. Wright.
I don't know why it has never occurred to me before, but David really does read like a Greek hero at times.
The Bible is literature. Some people idolize it. They're called idolaters
@@MitzvosGolem1 you're in a book club. By no stretch of the imagination is that an inaccurate representation.
@@MitzvosGolem1 I wouldn't say he was in the book club. No. and you don't just study it you worship the character God and do the things written about in the book. That's called cosplay which is idolatry. Not to mention all the paraphernalia associated with the stories. To say you're not an idolater would be totally intellectually dishonest
@@MitzvosGolem1 God is a character in a story that exists in your imagination.
@@MitzvosGolem1 I didn't say idolatry is foolish. I don't have a problem with idolatry. Do you? Just because you're a scientist doesn't mean you can't also be an idolator in a book club worshipping a character in a story.
@@MitzvosGolem1 you sound like you worship Einstein a little along with his Ribbi Spinoza
If the books didn't exist before the scholars went to Egypt why would the king of egypt call scholars to come translate it?
Thanks again Derek, great interview on sledding light on the possible true history of the Bible being written as late as 270 BC. Elephantine really helps set the stage of when and who, thanks again
Great show, the autodidactic has far fewer restraints and less clouded mind needed to carry the investigation to where it goes.
So, the ultimate question will be, what set of knowledge preceded the written ? The birth of writing was the birth of propaganda, what is the underlying similarities between cultural knowledge before that ?
Sorry, all roads originate in ancient Sumeria, then to Egypt, then to Greece.
You know Egypt is a grandson of Noah right?
I dont think "all roads" is what's being disputed or even discussed here.
@@a_lucientes It just seems the Hebrew Scriptures incorporates more ,Sumerian and Egyptian influences than
anything from Greece.
In other words. Plato was influenced by Sumerian and Egyptian mythos (as was the author,(s) of the Book of Genesis). The author(s) of
Genesis were displaced Canaanites.
@@larryjones2346 No doubt. The influences must have happened in that order because history did and what precedes always influences what comes afterwards. I just meant that saying 'all roads' for what he is arguing, -not that the history didnt happen and the religion didnt develop in the order it did but that we have no evidence to show the Old Testament is any older than that period and are numerous parallels in the texts, with these Greek authors, so it could have been the product of later authors, writings in the traditions of the Ancient Near east. . How he knows the thematic influences went in the one direction vs the other (the more logical, ie., that the teachings, stories, and traditions would have evolved along as history did) he doesnt say, nor is there any mention of what might have happened to the original traditions from that time and place.
There's literally no place called 'Sumeria'
It's Sumer. If you're going to base your incorrect worldview on something, at least get it right.
Damn it.. the end of this is sad! It ended! I want more!!!
in my research that is the conclusion that i came to the old testament is much later than we thought , the canon of the old testament did not come together until the later part of the first century
Its simple;"Upgrades" all the way,there is nothing new on the planet.
So guys, great job we just finished yesterday with those holy writings about origin of our nation, I reckon it's gonna catch on for another few hundred years. I think we can already book the translation to Greek with that Alexandria publisher and make use of this year's catalogue prices before inflation hits.
Both Gmirkin and Atwill revolutionized the Bible study, in OT and NT, respectively
This is eye-opening!
Whether every scholar is all-correct, we are introduced to fascinating histories, cultures, and religions that let us see how people were in different ages, and how religion grows and changes and copies for convenience. We see no gods affected humans. They made it all up themselves/ourselves. There was not/is not any god.
Have you looked into Ralph Ellis' writings? King Jesus, etc. He's on youtube and Facebook
Yes, Ellis has a lot of compelling information
59:10 I wonder if Hideaki Anno knew that fact during the episode of Neon Genesis Evangelion in which Asuka and Shinji need to dance in perfect harmony while fighting to defeat an angel.
Fascinating
I love how Derek smiles when dogma's being debunked.
Excellent Show my friend, There's still a lot of indoctrination to overcome in the world, one click at a time hopefully. A click or the popping sound, ya know what I mean.
Plato lived at least some 500 years after Zoraostra. Some scholars believe Zoroaster lived even earlier than 500 year. How come Plato started Monotheism? He has clearly God the Idea from Persia.
I knew it. I freaking new it!
I think it’s crazy how little biblical texts or even fragments of biblical texts we have from anytime BCE.
Russell Gmirkin, What is the evidence that the Bible draws in those works, rather than that they have the same sources as the Bible?
Right, that's the piece of the puzzle I was looking for,,
thank you.
I am freaking out up in here
Why? Methinks you are having a love affair with your religious beliefs. My love affair is with the truth, so it is easy for me to let go of old, dysfunctional paradigms and evolve.
Be glad. It's good news because it may catalyze a huge departure from the propagandist Abrahamic religions.
@@mikeq5807 Oh please. I have been an atheist my entire life.
@@susanburns1089 Then why would this information freak you out?
You may have meant something other than what I thought you meant.
I was once saddled with these fictitious beliefs. What a glorious disburdenment from all the propaganda!
So, why would Jewish scholars be invited to Alexandria to create a Greek translation of a book that didn't exist? While the complete old testament may have been written around 270 BC, as this person suggests, I think the best evidence still points to the five books of the Pentateuch being written during the Babylonian exile of the Jews around 600 BC
i think his point is about genesis, exodus, not all the books
Best intro. It's exactly how I feel.
Is there a way to investigate these claims via linguistic methods? Does the esteemed guest have any answers to any problems this could bring up?
This channel keeps me sane. T Y
All this is based on the assumption that all of these ideas could not have originated anywhere but the Greek civilization. I would like to hear evidence that backs up this presupposed claim.
I have enjoyed a lot of MythVision's videos. I would love to see more bold, unapologetic videos (and scholarship) demonstrating the complete transformation of the Torah from a Canaanite polytheism into a pseudo-Zoroastrian monolatry. I can easily believe that it all happened in the Hellenistic period. The most important function of research into the history and evolution of these religions is the identification of their common concepts for potential use in philosophy, ethics, politics, education, and law. Thanks for your work!
Wait, what were the 70(ish) translating if they were creating the books? I'm looking forward to getting your book, so I'm hoping it will be more clear
Very interesting Russell. But please reduce the price of your eBook. As an author myself, I can tell you, you will sell more books and get more reviews
Wow that part at 44:36 blew my mind
*Gospel Truth*
noun
A collection of wisdom, legends, myths, parables, stories, self-serving exaggerations and outright lies employed to both unify and separate people and designed to legitimize authoritarian organizations.
This was good
Very cool episode, thanks
intriguing theory...
Very interesting. I have heard Russell before on Garfield's Dagger Squad show. The idea of using a late starting point and working backwards makes perfect sense. The Elephantine community definitely presents a different type of Yahwehism. However I would be interested in how Russell's theories synch up with genetic research reference to the Cohen Modal Haplotype .
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Aaron
I’m watching this interview now and just looked up his books now. Why is Berossus and Genesis, Manetho and Exodus so expensive? Is there somewhere I can order it cheaper?
Email me derek@mythvisionpodcast.com
Or message me on Twitter, Instagram or Facebook
@@MythVisionPodcast Thanks for responding so quickly, I will email you today!
Please Russell can you do a reprint of all your books in paperback at an affordable price? There are so many people including myself that would like to read your books but can't afford them. Peace.
I remember, when reading the booble in the early 60s, I wondered why was there no mention of Alexander and the Greek conquest in the Old Testament. It seemed obvious to me as a teenager, that the Jews were incredibly jealous of the Greeks. But that's anti-sematic, right?
I have a fiend who is a great scholar, but she studies the bible and the other scholars with her god glasses on. It would be so great to get the sincere believer/teachers to look with the glasses off.
Excellent!
This is a very interesting look at the evidence, and some seriously interesting observations that put existing evidence in a different light. This is almost seems Earl Doherty worthy?
Russell Gmirkin's theories are fascinating but he has a voice for print. It actually hurts to listen to this guy speak.
akhenaten had a one god religion first...even though it was a small blip but i find it interesting that there is an early version of the lord prayer written in hieroglyphs at the city of amarna akhenatens capital city so how did he know about the lords prayer almost word for word before biblical times he surely didn't read it in a bible since it did not exist yet.
Ok well as long as we are doubting the Old Testament, I’ll put this out there
Did Plato exist???
I dont understand about all the time periods or anything, but just to clarify was he basically saying that the scriptures came a lot later than people thought? Also that whomever wrote he bible got their stories from older ancient stories. Is this correct?
Old Testament was written in 200 something BCE, much more believable!
I always thought it strange that these books stretched over 1000 years.
Why is tradition completely ignored as a valued source of credibility in this whole discourse? A quick example; the Yemenite Jewish Community was hermetically sealed away from the western world until the time when the Muslim world began to invade Christendom at which time the Spanish Jewish community was able to start correspondence with other areas of the Muslim empire. At this time, this community disclosed their tradition that they had been living in Yemen since the prophet Jeremiah warned that Babylon would take the city. They heeded this warning and left promptly. I might suggest, the reason this is not taken as possible evidence is because tradition goes against this man's epistemology.
Queen of Sheba of Ethiopia, they also have their own Jewish tradition along with their own Christian sects which is a lot different in wording compare to the Catholic bible & KJB.
But if you ask any 1980's Southern Baptist, their tradition is the only true path to God, the rest are going into the lake of fire.
The sad thing about the canon is there is very tiny bit of history in it. It's a bunch of myths, ledgends for bragging, tribe laws, relgious edicts, drug hallucinations... Very little that happened, that people really did.
Would be good to get a discussion between Gmirkin and Van Seter (who I know done a short review, although didn't properly respond specifically). Many Biblical scholars in the area of textual and literal criticism are familiar with the Hellenistic argument. However, whilst Gmirkin is clearly thorough with the Hellenistic side of things, he doesn't show much engagement with the Pentatuach studies that already exist. Would be great to hear a discussion. But great introduction to other theories!
what about the manuscripts of biblical books dated to 4th century found among dead sea scrolls?
Now another temple was found - very close to Jerusalem and The Temple, actually...
Great interview.
Why would the Greeks have wanted the Hebrews to be able to boast about themselves? Was this a backhanded act towards Egyptian culture?