Olli is big brain. Somone asks him a question and he immediately reels off really insightful and seemingly thought out answers, but just off the top of his head. And he's able to list off examples to back up anything he says while he's going. Wish my brain worked like that !
Reminds me of God of War: Ragnarok. Everyone just kept calling it that, so they went ahead and made it the official title. Of course in this instance "PS5 Pro" was probably the only name ever considered
@@davidpliskin3330 this doesn't need to be for everyone, this will be for a small segment, hence why the volumes will be small. It makes sense. VR is not that popular anyways jotbthe same thing
They just don't want to lose their most lucrative hard-core gamers to pc as was the case with alot during the ps3/x360 Era. Pro should be equivalent to 7700xt or future 8600xt/ 9500xt equipped pcs. But if someone wants a 8700 or 9600xt or better performance, the Sony execs are outta luck.
They've also completely dominated this generation and have almost no real console competition. It's not like they have to price it competitively at all.
@@spacecoffee6706 That has little to do with the hardware itself and everything to do with most developers prioritizing the wrong aspects as they usually do. By that logic every console ever has been terrible, given that performance always degrades in their later years as devs push for more eye candy. A console is a fixed platform with known specs, if you as a developer make a game for it that runs poorly and at a low resolution, that's entirely on you.
@PositronCannon It has everything to do with the hardware. The PS5 has an incredibly weak CPU when compared to today's standards, even Zen 3 chips are miles ahead. Then there's the GPU that is basically a budget class 1080p GPU from the last generation. The PS5 is best suited to running 8th gen games with a patch for native PS5 support. Otherwise, the hardware simply can't keep up.
As great as I expect Avowed to be, that developer's comments ring hollow when they're choosing to show off demo builds of the game all running at 60 fps... Everything he said about not "needing" 60 fps or the other excuses used to justify 30 get thrown out the window when even Obsidian is showing off PC versions of the game. That just tells me that even they know 60 fps looks better & people prefer the higher frame rate. That being said, he did say it will be 30 fps at a "minimum," and like most Xbox titles, I fully expect a 60 fps mode will be added post launch (if it's not already being added now, given their extra 6 month delay).
Didn't he also say I'm paraphrasing "a singleplayer fps don't need 60 fps" or something like that? To me that is a big oof. That sentence could have worked if avowed was a 3rd person single player game. In my mind, 60 fps in first person is WAY MORE important. Anyway, I too will play on PC so this won't matter to me personally, I just feel bad for the xbox bros.
Mark Cerny has immense ASMR energy, you just want to hear the man talk about tech. Maybe they can still have him narrate over a 5 minute presentation within a state of play but it certainly won't have the energy of a big on stage presentation.
2:08:00 Subject: 720p A big reason 720p doesn't really work now but did work well in the PS3 era is the higher density of details in the environment. On PS3 you would get a couple of large bilboards for grass if you're lucky but now, grass is hugely rich with individual blades being rendered. There is so much texture and geometric complexity that at low rez you'll only get massive amounts of shimmery aliasing, or blurry upscaling.
You are right, but he is comparing terrible FSR from 720p to native 720p. I'll give you my example with RE4 Remake. That game on PC doesn't have DLSS, and FSR looks terrible as usual. I was comparing 4k FSR quality to TAA with 80% resolution scale, and to me 80% res looks much better. It's slightly softer but stable in motion so you get consistent PQ. FSR looks ok on screen shots, but in motion looks really bad with terrible shimmering. Both modes perform about the same.
All the talk of MGS: Delta has me nostalgic for Splinter Cell. Those games had incredible use of light and shadow in the early 00s. Imagine what they can do today. I wish we could get remakes of the original trilogy. They might be a little short by modern standards so maybe we could get them in one package or perhaps individually with some expanded or even added levels. I hope MGS Delta sells well so there will be more incentive for SC remakes.
There are remaking Splinter Cell! I still need to play them (outside short session at a mates),i don't know how i missed out on them , i always loved Metal gear solid and Hitman, some of my all time fav games
19:28 I think the fact this console is targeting enthusiasts makes it easier for Sony to market. Because 95% of that group of people already know the benefits. The ones who would want one are already right here watching videos like this one
It probably took a lot of R&D money to create that console, so I wonder how many units they have to sell to make a profit (even if the margins are high). Personally I'm not getting the Pro, because I only play first party titles on Sony consoles, and it doesn't seem like there are many coming.
You understand we are the minority. Like there may be 700k of us out of all the people who own Sony, and a fraction of that buys a Pro. The casuals far surpass our army.
I dont agree with Avowed being okay at the bare minimum 30 FPS. that just says it all. Today people just WANT MORE FPS, so if a game is built at 30 FPS, making some the efforts to add a 40 FPS mode is mandatory to respond this new demand by players...
Why do developers sacrifice image quality? Just lower everything until the image quality is good. Having higher settings is pointless if you can't see it
Honestly, you've got a point there. It's how I play my games on PC after all. That being said, there is _also_ something to be said for having really high fidelity assets and settings, at the cost of resolution or performance. It's kind of a fine line to walk though, and a lot of developers lately seem to be falling from that line or willfully jumping off and counting on FSR2 to save them
I assume it's because at couch distance image quality doesn't matter as much as when you're playing at a desk. I can play a game that's 720p upscaled to 1440p and enjoy my time on the couch but at the desk it just looks like shit unless the game just has a great implementation of DLSS/TSR. Of course it's not optimal at all for a game to rely on upscaling that much but I think that's why devs sacrifice resolution when developing console games.
I hope Astro Bot sells millions, so maybe Sony realize that this is the kind of games that they should be investing on, instead of horrendous GaaS like flopcord
There is such a thing as "house poor" where you are living large but paycheck to paycheck. Intel has been struggling for a while which you can see with the layoffs, and the latest issues likely have incurred significant costs both in the present and in the future. They've been losing ground to AMD, and the reputational hits from all these issues is likely going to make that worse. So yeah, they might have a bunch of assets and have lots of revenue, but they might be running on shoestring budgets and low profits or even deficits.
Totally agree with John about 40fps. I often lock my fps to 40, whack everything to max, sometimes use DLAA if I can afford it (on a 4090). It's basically 1/6 Vsync on my 240Hz panel, and with nice motion blur it looks super stable, super smooth. More devs should optimize their games for 40 fps on consoles as more and more 120Hz TVs are being sold, and if it meant dropping the often horribly performing performance modes, they should just focus all their time and effort to 30fps/60Hz and 40fps/120Hz modes.
They're right about the PS5 Pro having limited appeal. The Quality modes of many PS5 games are barely visually distinguishable from the Performance modes, so being able to play a game on Quality at 60 FPS won't be that big of a deal (certainly not for up to $600 USD). Also, raytracing gives a very subtle and difficult to notice visual difference unless it's reflections, so if the Pro can only really handle raytraced shadows, I don't see that providing much value either. I think its machine learning capabilities will be the biggest factor.
I am OK if they do not use raytracing in MGS 3. Because without it, there should be no question with them getting to 4K/60, which means that it’ll look sharp and solid. Which we are getting very little of this generation. Raytracing has been very underwhelming except for one or two games this generation. Metro being one of them. Which reached high resolutions and used full scene ray tracing, which is absolutely amazing and I wish they would share their techniques with the rest of the world.
2:03:17 This. People need to stop sleeping on a 40 fps cap for those really graphically intensive single player games. Feels great with Reflex enabled on a gamepad. VRR with LFC in an approx 80hz container and you get much more consistent frame times and a lower power bill to boot.
“Graphically intensive” is superficial and doesn’t matter. Every technological quantity in console games has increased over the decades, except framerate which has overall decreased (60fps always, until it was thrown out in 90’s and then remained spotty for decades up to today).
It’s absolutely going to be live service everywhere to ensure SP isn’t getting in the way of MTX, just look at how they treated GTA V SP they stopped adding the new weapons and vehicles to it when they realized people would get them there instead of spending real money for them in Online, it’s also a reason they never added new story DLC so anything new was locked behind Online and it’s numerous money gates
About PS5 pro, they should release upgrade patches day-one for all PS Studios releases. Even simple tweaks like unlocking 4K + 60FPS + already implemented RT features that we can play without weird modes to choose. New hardware can be cool but we don't have time to wait another pale 2 years to see some upgraded new games worth play - That's pointless.
@@palaczythis is now confirmed. PS5 Pro will double frame rates of games like Last of Us Remakes, Demon Souls, and they also used FF Rebirth as an example of benefits. GT7 now has raytracing reflections in races instead of replays only! Not to mention improvements to VR2…
I like the idea of testing a game on 5 different specced computers and it gets a score based on how many of the 5 it can produce acceptable (numbers TBD) performance/imagequality. This game gets a 1 Rig out 5 because it only ran acceptably on the 4090 machine or somethin. Hard part would be deciding what the 5 representative machines were and when to update them, and what is 'acceptable' performance. Though obviously that caters towards lower specced games. Maybe the score is a Bronze 5 out of 5 because it runs well across all machines but isn't very ambitious and another is a Gold 3/5 because the lower machines are out but it strives for more. This is the problem with these quantitative things, always edge cases.
Games should not be struggling on consoles. Given that for the vast majority, the gameplay is no more complex than we’ve had for 20-30 years, it’s just developers pushing graphics just a bit too far. If they just scaled back a tad we’d have so much more stable 60fps games but with 80%+ of the image quality
@@yomamasohot6411 The Demon's Souls remake runs at 60fps on the PS5 and still looks better on a technical level than basically every other game on the console. It certainly looks and runs better than Wukong. Even Horizon 2, Ragnarok, TLOU2, and Tsushima are basically just PS4 games and all look better than the vast majority of PS5 games and run at a locked 60fps.
@@yomamasohot6411 how so? I’m just repeating/agreeing what they themselves say almost every video - graphics settings set too high resulting in poor performance. If you’ve been watching their videos for any length of time you’d know they focus on and prefer stable framrate and especially frame pacing/timing
There is a TH-cam video of Hideo Kojima opening the collectors edition of Black Myth Wukong which he has purchased. Then, he goes back to work on DS2 with a large rectangular dev kit on the workstation that is unsurprisingly covered up with a black cloth.
It’s really absurd and stunning to see here. John himself made the “60fps has always mattered” video, of course about an excellent classic from 1994 (Daytona USA). 30fps is a lowest common denominator cop out: pointless superficial “technology” for superficial gamers. It’s a shame to see excuses for 30fps given by people who know full-well that older weaker systems had 60fps games with “primitive” graphics (compared to today) and it was great and more than good enough. We don’t need more pixels or more reflections or finer shadows. 30fps ‘quality’ is for gawking at “I Paid Money For New Hardware”, not for playing games.
RE: Supporter Q3, Intel has no experience building a large APU. The last time they did anything like that, they subcontracted the GPU to AMD. I don't think Intel has the bandwidth (in terms of human resources) to handle a project like a console APU.
Imagine all those that purchase a PS5 Slim by mistake thinking it's a PS5 Pro in store....you'd think they design would be more unique for the Pro to differentiate it
@@TedThomasTT Just all the naysaying regarding the Pro, and how people don't necessarily want better graphics etc - he never says that about new PC GPUs that populate the market, so it's fine and acceptable to spend thousands on the latest & greatest GPUs, but god forbid you give people a choice on console to go for something better. Also 'that Portal thing, even though it sucks' - really? I've had one since launch and absolutely love it. It plays great on my network, and a lot of people say the same, and yet according to him it sucks? I could go on...
I'm hoping for some unreal trade in deal come the holiday season. I might bite for a 250-300$ max trade deal, assuming it has disk drive and there will be a killer presentation showing off the improvements
$600+$1000+8 years of subs($400?)= $2000 for a mid-high end PC from 2019(my 3080 pc cost $1600 in ‘20), with no mods, more expensive games(and less of them), and a closed ecosystem.
@@Glotttis the currency conversion is what he said. Its $650(base”, and if the price is $6-700 usd for the PRO then it will be close to $1000. And subs are $70/year. Its total garbage for what looks like a console that at best will be inline with the 6800(non xt) matched with a low end processor from 6 years ago.
I guess if Obsidian is happy with 30fps in their latest game, I'll be happy with not playing it. :D There is always some sort of excuse for why "it's OK" for a game to run at 30fps. "it's a single-player, so it's ok" "it's an RPG, so it's OK" "It's not an FPS, so it's OK"
Majority of all Xbox first party games were running at 30fps at launch. Did you not play any of them? It's rare that a first party game launches at 60fps on Xbox.
@@yomamasohot6411 That being said, does it not make you scratch your head that we are stagnating at 30fps for over 20 years? I bet consoles will still rot at 30fps in 2040s.
@@9r33ksthis isn't a console problem at large. This is a xbox problem. PS gets a 60fps performance mode day one for all first party games. If you prefer fidelity or fps the choice is yours.
The hopium that Sony will suddenly become a consumer friendly company by having the PS5 Pro have any compatibility with the other console side plates is interesting.
Yeah it’s hilarious watching people to try say it’s the series s when in reality it’s the game isn’t optimized correctly and they can’t even get it running smooth on a console 4x as powerful.
I think one marketing strategy Sony could follow for the PS5 professional is to go ahead and make the review standards before games are approved on the store stricter requiring better image quality. That way they could both address the current complaints around IQ and at the same time show how new games coming to the pro would have significantly better graphics than the amateur due to the IQ requirements. That would please people who don’t care that much about graphics and don’t want to spend another $600 just to have better IQ while at the same time making a case for those that do care about graphics to upgrade.
Re: SH2. In the original game, other than the final fight, Pyramid Head always showed up unceremoniously in mundane locations. In fact, unlike SH1 and SH3, the second game did not have very obvious boss rooms; it made you fight bosses in mundane rooms. It was obviously deliberate. It's scarier to encounter Pyramid Head in a normal place than in a designated boss arena, since you then become afraid of normal places. I understand that Tom and Oliver aren't big SH fans - and that's fine - but they'd probably be better off not making these kinds of judgements if they don't understand the original work.
I've already ordered a drive this week with a 30 day return to cover all bases if it's digital only. If they sell a version for +$50 disc version then I'll return the drive after the announcement by the end of this month. I loose nothing besides gas to UPS. Good luck buying a disc drive near the PS5 Pro launch. It will sell out. It has several times already.
@@chillnspace777 It would be strange if they did. Makes sense for 1 discless SKU at a lower price point so those who need a disc drive can just purchase it separately.
Disc drive? Why do you think Sony have made the disc drive for the regular PS5 an add-on? Of course the Pro will be disc less and then you can buy and clip on a disc drive if you want it.
The slim came in 2 different SKUs. A digital, and a disc version. The disk version was 30 dollars cheaper vs getting a slim and buying the disc drive seperately
PS5Pro really kinda feels a bit premature, and arguably not needed, but even if you think it is needed paying $600 for a disc less console or having to pay $80 for the disc add on separately is just not worth it for a single game like Black Myth Wukong
Imagine the PS5 Pro come with a disk drive and be able to emulate any game from ps1, ps2 and ps3. If you have the original disks you can just put them in and play
There's been no rumours of any emulation of PS3 on current hardware linked to Playstation that suggest that would happen. If you follow Playstation and the emulation community you'd know that there's quite a long way until Playstation does anything with PS3 given how complicated it is in emulation.
@@vigour6786 there have been several rumors RECENTLY that have claimed that Sony has made major strides in PS3 emulation. You don't follow it as much as you lead on I assume
@@AnEyeRacky nope my original comment stands true and I’m right, there’s no link or rumour of Sony working on anything hardware related to anything coming soon otherwise we’d know. If you have recent rumours detailing ps3 emulation coming to new hardware please I’d love to hear it.
@@vigour6786 no, no you're not. You can't be bothered to use the very device you typed that ridiculous reply on to google that you are indeed wrong? Seriously? There were rumors as recent as June this year 🤡
39:00 this is sad because all these guys keep saying series S will have compromises and want have but med settings, coming from guys that's use to super high-end PC and pixels peeping. I just think Xbox should be games shipped with stable fps first, meaning target 60fps first than make a 30 cap mode, then clothe the visuals as needed. So FSR3.0 and AMFM2 work as needed.
Diaagree that Ps5 pro needs abbig game to accompany its unveiling. Surely its an enthusiast machine and every ps5 game enhanced, past and furture, is the selling point! Price £529.99. form factors, a fatty original ps5 lookalike.. that's my prediction
PS5 / Xbox Series happened before machine learning upscaling just like how the PS Triple had an nvidia GPU inserted onto it before unified shaders were common in that gpu design.
@hollyc5417 I know, unlike the ssd, the disk drive directly affects the amount of digital copies that are sold by Sony, and we know just how competitively priced those are......
This is how they'll market the PS5 pro... They'll do a teardown video and show little Easter eggs printed on the PCB. They'll also announce a chrome 'Day One' edition. Done.
haven't owned a PS5 and not planning to, but i'm also an incredibly happy Dualsense user on PC. We've come far since the day of the Sixaxis when PCs would need third party apps to have the controllers even workable. You'll genuinely be surprised how well the Dualsense is integrated into the PC space these days. A small but ever growing number of games support DS5 specific features (all the big console PC ports tend to) and even most indie games have at least basic compatibility with this controller. I'm using its gyro to emulate the Wii mote pointer in Dolphin! For most older games you'll get by just fine using methods like Steam Input and for very very rare occasions you'll still have DS4Windows to fall back on. But i can count the number of times i've had to use that tool on a single hand. I can only recommend the Dualsense for any PC player and would love for Microsoft to finally bring some real additions to their controllers for the first time in over a decade. (The lack of gryo at this point is truly shameful.)
35:17: Wukong has a skill that creates 6/7 body doubles that stay on screen for almost 40 seconds with each skill cast that can use all of your skills... Aka its the "fiery powers" if you were talking about times 6/7 AND boss, which can range for that little Wolf to high speed boars in arenas of mud...
I got the PS4 Pro and I can tell you that it wasn't worth it. There were very few games that would actually increase the frame rate from the base model. If games aren't going to look as great and run as smooth as Horizon Forbidden West then PS5 Pro is a waste.
"It does not look good anymore" -- John Linneman (2:10:00) I second that. I rather have "native checkerboard upscaling" than FSR or DLSS. Just can't stand looking at some smeary / pixelated mess anymore.
1:50:25 Xbox's hypothetical early release into next gen still doesn't make sense to me though? Releasing their new mainline console approx 2yrs early (at most) will just see short term benefit of being the most powerful console... but will see longer term issues with it being the obvious _weakest_ console for the remainder of the next gen when the PS6 releases and then compounded even further with the eventual PS6 Pro aswell. It would be as bad, if not worse than this gen's Series S holding the generation back overall and also holding back 3rd party game releases on the Xbox platform like most recently for example Black Myth. The only new hardware I could _maybe_ see them releasing in 2026 is a new handheld with performance capabilities close enough to their current Series S to make porting easier, then around 2027 or 2028 along side or around PS6 release date their new next gen Xbox console. This makes the most sense to me. Also cutting a console gen short on time also cuts down the value for customers, whats to say if they do it this gen by 2 years, that they won't do it again by 4 years the following gen reducing the consoles life/value even further?? It just erodes trust for the consumer.
I like to think a reporter is asking specific questions to each of the DF members, and their faces in the video thumbnail represent their reactions. “John, Do you think Metal Gear Delta will appease longtime diehard fans?” “Rich, Are you excited for PlayStation 5 Professional?” “Tom, How is that performance mode shaping up in Silent Hill 2?” “Oliver, Besides PC and PS5, what other platform was Black Myth Wukong originally slated to launch on?”
37:34 As someone who has watch a bunch of streamers playing Black Myth on PS5, the answer is ppl absolutely don't give a f about all this nerd ass specs shit, that's why Sony shipped the game, cos they know the player base better than you guys.
I love digital foundry BUT every time you guys try to justify 30 fps as acceptable on console it feels like damage control. Are we all going to pretend like 60 fps games on console haven’t been around since the 2d era?
@@kelownatechkid yep. They just have to be diplomatic because they know is there are so many other 30 fps games in the pipeline. The minimal visual gain isn’t worth the lack in performance and they know it… but can’t say it.
After seeing the dualsense stick edge modules always out of stock, I am 100% sure that Sony will stop making disk drive modules deliberately and kill discs eventually.
The PS5 disc drive is 120€! (This is north of 130USD!!!!). If they force me to buy that thing for the PS5 pro I really am not sure I will do it. Also, why does the US always get the better prices?
The ps5 pro will probably be at a price that most gamers would not want to cross.If i have to pay 800-900$ for a console,i will stretch the budget to pick up a pc instead.
@@xtr.7662 that's really optimistic on that price point. Considering they just raised console prices in Japan. Sony is not trying to take a loss on consoles anymore. $649 at the least,and the only difference will be with disc drive and without disc drive. Pro consoles are a niche market I don't see them making that many sku's.
Aren't high end gaming PC's without disc drives for enthusiasts too? I'd say the lack of a disc drive on the PS5 Pro is to keep the cost more attractive and not to scare off potential buyer's..you can always add one later for extra cost and Sony probably have a lot of them they need to move. If the Pro model can do 4k/60fps(using PSSR)without the need to choose either a 30 fps fidelity mode, 60fps lower resolution performance mode or a balance 40fps mode it will sell handsomely
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“Welcome, in a sense” - Rich, contemplating the virtual, non-corporeal nature of DF Direct
He is contemplating on the metaphysical 😂.
Rich didn't even welcome us in the here and now.
@@WayStedYou Rich was clearly shaken by the possibility of a digital-only PS5 Pro
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Olli is big brain. Somone asks him a question and he immediately reels off really insightful and seemingly thought out answers, but just off the top of his head. And he's able to list off examples to back up anything he says while he's going.
Wish my brain worked like that !
He's good!
Indeed, a great addition.
@@cacarey01 lol big brain? Guy just slobbers and lists everywhere
Oliver referring to John as one of the”the adults” 20 minutes after he asked if they could pronounce PSSR as “pisser” 😂
It's a valid question haha
I’m actually disgusted they aren’t saying Pisser. It’s a Piss weak attitude.
Makes sense to ask the guy who keeps pronouncing ROG as a word if he would like to do that with PSSR as well.
It will basically be a FSR 1 in terms of quality. The Pro will have a PS5 2020 CPU just overclocked.
>PS5 Pro name leaked
>It's PS5 Pro
Reminds me of God of War: Ragnarok. Everyone just kept calling it that, so they went ahead and made it the official title. Of course in this instance "PS5 Pro" was probably the only name ever considered
>PS5 Pro design leaks
>It looks like a normal PS5
Be thankful it's not Microsoft making it or we would be looking forward to the PS Elite X AI or some such nonsense.
>it's bottomless
With those striped wing vents whatever, they should just have driven the point all the distance and named it "PS5 GT". 😺
They won't swollow as much if any cost for the Pro version. This isn't the main console. Oliver is 100% correct. From a business perspective
It’ll be over $900 in Canada. Didn’t work with VR2 won’t work with this.
@@davidpliskin3330 this doesn't need to be for everyone, this will be for a small segment, hence why the volumes will be small. It makes sense. VR is not that popular anyways jotbthe same thing
They just don't want to lose their most lucrative hard-core gamers to pc as was the case with alot during the ps3/x360 Era. Pro should be equivalent to 7700xt or future 8600xt/ 9500xt equipped pcs. But if someone wants a 8700 or 9600xt or better performance, the Sony execs are outta luck.
They've also completely dominated this generation and have almost no real console competition. It's not like they have to price it competitively at all.
MGS3 is the perfect remake.
Richard has become rather desaturated today, as compared to last time
RTX off this time
thats because he is pre recorded and not in the here and now for this video
Haha you noticed too
Oh noo D:
HDR FTW
Can't wait for another Cerny ASMR
Same. I’ve zero interest in a PS5 Pro but the possibility of a new Cerny presentation and subsequent ASMR mix is very appealing.
Haha I hope so. I have the OG PS5 one converted to MP3 on my
Phone and listening to him talk while I sleep 😅
I'm a big PC guy and even I love seen Mark Cerny every 7 or so years give a masterclass on hardware engineering
So good it can't keep 60fps or native 1440p 3 years later
@@spacecoffee6706 That has little to do with the hardware itself and everything to do with most developers prioritizing the wrong aspects as they usually do. By that logic every console ever has been terrible, given that performance always degrades in their later years as devs push for more eye candy. A console is a fixed platform with known specs, if you as a developer make a game for it that runs poorly and at a low resolution, that's entirely on you.
I'd need to go back and watch his presentations because i feel like most of what he shows doesn't end up getting used much at all.
@PositronCannon
It has everything to do with the hardware.
The PS5 has an incredibly weak CPU when compared to today's standards, even Zen 3 chips are miles ahead. Then there's the GPU that is basically a budget class 1080p GPU from the last generation.
The PS5 is best suited to running 8th gen games with a patch for native PS5 support. Otherwise, the hardware simply can't keep up.
I think Cerny is a brilliant mind even if I don't know him personally. Looking forward to his show if there's one!
John "I think those racing stripes are pretty sharp". Agreed, but they failed to add fins to lower wind resistance
Looks like pretty bad dust catching slots, pain to clean lol
flames, no buy. I need my console to look like its tearing ass all over the road when its standing still - Carl
I clocked that simpsons reference too. Touché, John
John deserved more of a reaction for that comment!
As great as I expect Avowed to be, that developer's comments ring hollow when they're choosing to show off demo builds of the game all running at 60 fps...
Everything he said about not "needing" 60 fps or the other excuses used to justify 30 get thrown out the window when even Obsidian is showing off PC versions of the game. That just tells me that even they know 60 fps looks better & people prefer the higher frame rate.
That being said, he did say it will be 30 fps at a "minimum," and like most Xbox titles, I fully expect a 60 fps mode will be added post launch (if it's not already being added now, given their extra 6 month delay).
Didn't he also say I'm paraphrasing "a singleplayer fps don't need 60 fps" or something like that? To me that is a big oof. That sentence could have worked if avowed was a 3rd person single player game. In my mind, 60 fps in first person is WAY MORE important.
Anyway, I too will play on PC so this won't matter to me personally, I just feel bad for the xbox bros.
Mark Cerny has immense ASMR energy, you just want to hear the man talk about tech. Maybe they can still have him narrate over a 5 minute presentation within a state of play but it certainly won't have the energy of a big on stage presentation.
2:08:00 Subject: 720p
A big reason 720p doesn't really work now but did work well in the PS3 era is the higher density of details in the environment.
On PS3 you would get a couple of large bilboards for grass if you're lucky but now, grass is hugely rich with individual blades being rendered. There is so much texture and geometric complexity that at low rez you'll only get massive amounts of shimmery aliasing, or blurry upscaling.
You are right, but he is comparing terrible FSR from 720p to native 720p.
I'll give you my example with RE4 Remake.
That game on PC doesn't have DLSS, and FSR looks terrible as usual.
I was comparing 4k FSR quality to TAA with 80% resolution scale, and to me 80% res looks much better. It's slightly softer but stable in motion so you get consistent PQ. FSR looks ok on screen shots, but in motion looks really bad with terrible shimmering. Both modes perform about the same.
Most screens in the PS3 era were 480p, 720p or occasionally 1080p. So 720p was more like 1440p on a 4k screen today
3 days till Astro drops 💙
You know dis
Three days?! I forgot it was so soon! I have a physical copy pre-ordered too!
Geez, that’s quick! Thought it was going to release in October or November for some reason.
Didn't realize it was so soon. I'm still playing Black Myth and Outlaws lol.
And I mean have you seen how good it looks!! No need for a ps5 pro there
"I think therefore I am"
- Richard Leadbetter
Genuinely laughed my ass off at the pisser joke. Fell out I tell you! Caught me off guard. 🤣🤣🤣
All the talk of MGS: Delta has me nostalgic for Splinter Cell. Those games had incredible use of light and shadow in the early 00s. Imagine what they can do today. I wish we could get remakes of the original trilogy. They might be a little short by modern standards so maybe we could get them in one package or perhaps individually with some expanded or even added levels. I hope MGS Delta sells well so there will be more incentive for SC remakes.
Man splinter cell with today's ray tracing would be cool
Isn't Ubislop working on a Splinter Cell remake?
There are remaking Splinter Cell! I still need to play them (outside short session at a mates),i don't know how i missed out on them , i always loved Metal gear solid and Hitman, some of my all time fav games
19:28 I think the fact this console is targeting enthusiasts makes it easier for Sony to market. Because 95% of that group of people already know the benefits. The ones who would want one are already right here watching videos like this one
It probably took a lot of R&D money to create that console, so I wonder how many units they have to sell to make a profit (even if the margins are high).
Personally I'm not getting the Pro, because I only play first party titles on Sony consoles, and it doesn't seem like there are many coming.
You understand we are the minority. Like there may be 700k of us out of all the people who own Sony, and a fraction of that buys a Pro.
The casuals far surpass our army.
I really wish that John got to play the Silent Hill 2 preview. He is a big fan of the original.
Ah, 2 hours of DF therapy, perfect cure to a Monday.
Fr
This Monday is the beginning of a sorely needed weekend with no kids home, for me and the lady. I just got a stupid PS Portal. Not leaving bed.
@@jonasking9587 You're not BBQing for labor day?😮
Perfect cure from a Tuesday early morning as well
Happy Labor Day
The look on Richards face when PSSR was reanounced
He was taking the pisser.
I dont agree with Avowed being okay at the bare minimum 30 FPS. that just says it all. Today people just WANT MORE FPS, so if a game is built at 30 FPS, making some the efforts to add a 40 FPS mode is mandatory to respond this new demand by players...
I played RDR2 on PS4 Pro at 30fps. It never looked wrong to me. 30fps on console looks so much better than 30fps on PC.
@@Safetytrousers I think it's more about distance from your display and controller vs keyboard/mouse.
Irrespective of his technical expertise, I'm always impressed with how well-spoken Oliver is.
He's a compelling orator, to be sure
@@joewatson7069 A presumptive, yet compelling orator! 😀 He's very good at organizing his thoughts quickly.
Why do developers sacrifice image quality? Just lower everything until the image quality is good. Having higher settings is pointless if you can't see it
Honestly, you've got a point there. It's how I play my games on PC after all.
That being said, there is _also_ something to be said for having really high fidelity assets and settings, at the cost of resolution or performance. It's kind of a fine line to walk though, and a lot of developers lately seem to be falling from that line or willfully jumping off and counting on FSR2 to save them
A mix is probably best
I assume it's because at couch distance image quality doesn't matter as much as when you're playing at a desk. I can play a game that's 720p upscaled to 1440p and enjoy my time on the couch but at the desk it just looks like shit unless the game just has a great implementation of DLSS/TSR. Of course it's not optimal at all for a game to rely on upscaling that much but I think that's why devs sacrifice resolution when developing console games.
100% agree.
"4K Medium" is infinitely better looking than "1080p Ultra".
I hope Astro Bot sells millions, so maybe Sony realize that this is the kind of games that they should be investing on, instead of horrendous GaaS like flopcord
Hope you preordered, then.
We only know one thing for sure. PS5 Pro will release before GTA VI
And the Pro CPU will be about 1.4 percent more powerful than Series X.
Sony just need to put 16K on the box. Simple
Says the man who says hellbalde is game of the year 😂😂😂
Intel struggling financially is an hilarious statement
There is such a thing as "house poor" where you are living large but paycheck to paycheck. Intel has been struggling for a while which you can see with the layoffs, and the latest issues likely have incurred significant costs both in the present and in the future. They've been losing ground to AMD, and the reputational hits from all these issues is likely going to make that worse.
So yeah, they might have a bunch of assets and have lots of revenue, but they might be running on shoestring budgets and low profits or even deficits.
Totally agree with John about 40fps. I often lock my fps to 40, whack everything to max, sometimes use DLAA if I can afford it (on a 4090). It's basically 1/6 Vsync on my 240Hz panel, and with nice motion blur it looks super stable, super smooth. More devs should optimize their games for 40 fps on consoles as more and more 120Hz TVs are being sold, and if it meant dropping the often horribly performing performance modes, they should just focus all their time and effort to 30fps/60Hz and 40fps/120Hz modes.
40 is immensely better than 30 fps, 100%. But 60 is still nice when feasible, and a must for multiplayer games
@@PositionOffsetGaming oh yeah, excluding MP games and MP modes in SP games, ofc.
40 fps and 60 fps for heavy titles; 60 fps and 120 fps for lighter esport titles.
You don't want to use vsync at 40fps. On PC better use VRR for lower input lag.
They're right about the PS5 Pro having limited appeal. The Quality modes of many PS5 games are barely visually distinguishable from the Performance modes, so being able to play a game on Quality at 60 FPS won't be that big of a deal (certainly not for up to $600 USD). Also, raytracing gives a very subtle and difficult to notice visual difference unless it's reflections, so if the Pro can only really handle raytraced shadows, I don't see that providing much value either. I think its machine learning capabilities will be the biggest factor.
I am OK if they do not use raytracing in MGS 3. Because without it, there should be no question with them getting to 4K/60, which means that it’ll look sharp and solid. Which we are getting very little of this generation. Raytracing has been very underwhelming except for one or two games this generation. Metro being one of them. Which reached high resolutions and used full scene ray tracing, which is absolutely amazing and I wish they would share their techniques with the rest of the world.
ikr I just want 4K 60 to be the standard
38:07 - curious
1:09:56 - curious
1:42:58 - bespoke*
1:44:16 - curious
1:49:37 - bespoke
2:13:45 - bespoke
*quoted so arguably doesn't count
Quite the bespoke list, my friend. I'm curious what this list would look like if we added all instances of "I would say" 🤔
@@brettboi3730 Thank you for your kind words. You could also add "right?" to that list. It'd be pretty long, that's for sure!
Ya'll should certify games as stutter-free.
Black Myth: Potato Kong on Switch. Let's go!!
Rendered in glorious 120p and DF gushing about an 'impossible" port resulting in a pixel diarrhea
@@youp1tralala It will be one single pixel in the center of the screen, at 6000fps
2:03:17 This. People need to stop sleeping on a 40 fps cap for those really graphically intensive single player games. Feels great with Reflex enabled on a gamepad. VRR with LFC in an approx 80hz container and you get much more consistent frame times and a lower power bill to boot.
“Graphically intensive” is superficial and doesn’t matter. Every technological quantity in console games has increased over the decades, except framerate which has overall decreased (60fps always, until it was thrown out in 90’s and then remained spotty for decades up to today).
i think there will be a suprising amount of people upgrading purely for gta 6
A lot of the casuals would just buy the cheaper option.
Not if you are buying it on Xbox.
i would do that for sure
@@BUPMY1no the wouldn’t because they’re gonna want the best looking version
It’s absolutely going to be live service everywhere to ensure SP isn’t getting in the way of MTX, just look at how they treated GTA V SP they stopped adding the new weapons and vehicles to it when they realized people would get them there instead of spending real money for them in Online, it’s also a reason they never added new story DLC so anything new was locked behind Online and it’s numerous money gates
Rich looks less red this week. Better camera filtering / lighting or more rest perhaps
This is rich with rtx on
He tonned down the subsurface scattering.
He has improved Rich's Shading and reduced Digital Vibrance, optimizing HDR color gamut
The volumetric voxel-fog is doing some heavy lifting here
Mighta just been a sunburn
Are you ready to upsize your PlayStation 5 Happy Meal?
Add $100 for more shadows
Add $50 for detachable UHD disc drive
Please select beverage
About PS5 pro, they should release upgrade patches day-one for all PS Studios releases. Even simple tweaks like unlocking 4K + 60FPS + already implemented RT features that we can play without weird modes to choose.
New hardware can be cool but we don't have time to wait another pale 2 years to see some upgraded new games worth play - That's pointless.
Not gonna happen
@@drunksquirrel2051 hehehe I had a good nose! It will happen :)
@@palaczythis is now confirmed. PS5 Pro will double frame rates of games like Last of Us Remakes, Demon Souls, and they also used FF Rebirth as an example of benefits. GT7 now has raytracing reflections in races instead of replays only! Not to mention improvements to VR2…
I like the idea of testing a game on 5 different specced computers and it gets a score based on how many of the 5 it can produce acceptable (numbers TBD) performance/imagequality. This game gets a 1 Rig out 5 because it only ran acceptably on the 4090 machine or somethin. Hard part would be deciding what the 5 representative machines were and when to update them, and what is 'acceptable' performance. Though obviously that caters towards lower specced games. Maybe the score is a Bronze 5 out of 5 because it runs well across all machines but isn't very ambitious and another is a Gold 3/5 because the lower machines are out but it strives for more. This is the problem with these quantitative things, always edge cases.
Games should not be struggling on consoles. Given that for the vast majority, the gameplay is no more complex than we’ve had for 20-30 years, it’s just developers pushing graphics just a bit too far. If they just scaled back a tad we’d have so much more stable 60fps games but with 80%+ of the image quality
Complaining about developers pushing graphics too far under a DF video is certainly a choice😂
@@yomamasohot6411 The Demon's Souls remake runs at 60fps on the PS5 and still looks better on a technical level than basically every other game on the console. It certainly looks and runs better than Wukong.
Even Horizon 2, Ragnarok, TLOU2, and Tsushima are basically just PS4 games and all look better than the vast majority of PS5 games and run at a locked 60fps.
@@yomamasohot6411 how so? I’m just repeating/agreeing what they themselves say almost every video - graphics settings set too high resulting in poor performance. If you’ve been watching their videos for any length of time you’d know they focus on and prefer stable framrate and especially frame pacing/timing
It’s not John brings this up all the time and has frequently brought up how increasingly unsustainable pushing graphics has made the industry
Looking back what kind of crap graphics I have enjoyed and immersed myself in, makes me realise that the graphics were not so important after all 😁
15FPS is insanely smooth with Asyncronous Time Warp.
There is a TH-cam video of Hideo Kojima opening the collectors edition of Black Myth Wukong which he has purchased. Then, he goes back to work on DS2 with a large rectangular dev kit on the workstation that is unsurprisingly covered up with a black cloth.
Watching tech journalists tip-toe around the 30fps issue is annoying.
It’s really absurd and stunning to see here. John himself made the “60fps has always mattered” video, of course about an excellent classic from 1994 (Daytona USA). 30fps is a lowest common denominator cop out: pointless superficial “technology” for superficial gamers.
It’s a shame to see excuses for 30fps given by people who know full-well that older weaker systems had 60fps games with “primitive” graphics (compared to today) and it was great and more than good enough. We don’t need more pixels or more reflections or finer shadows. 30fps ‘quality’ is for gawking at “I Paid Money For New Hardware”, not for playing games.
RE: Supporter Q3, Intel has no experience building a large APU. The last time they did anything like that, they subcontracted the GPU to AMD. I don't think Intel has the bandwidth (in terms of human resources) to handle a project like a console APU.
Richard appears genuinely surprised each week when he announces which episode the show is currently on. :D
I really like Oliver, glad he's here.
Agreed.
I haven't heard anyone casually use bifurcate in conversation ever
@@charlesshamseldin9555 Olie's words per second has a high throughput even at medium settings
Imagine all those that purchase a PS5 Slim by mistake thinking it's a PS5 Pro in store....you'd think they design would be more unique for the Pro to differentiate it
The v is a Roman five. It took me like three years to realize this. Hi from America.
... probably didn't have to say that last part.
Thanks. Doing all of us a favor 😂
Greetings from Carthage
John really does talk some cr*p at times. Completely off the mark in a lot of stuff.
Like what
@@TedThomasTT Just all the naysaying regarding the Pro, and how people don't necessarily want better graphics etc - he never says that about new PC GPUs that populate the market, so it's fine and acceptable to spend thousands on the latest & greatest GPUs, but god forbid you give people a choice on console to go for something better. Also 'that Portal thing, even though it sucks' - really? I've had one since launch and absolutely love it. It plays great on my network, and a lot of people say the same, and yet according to him it sucks? I could go on...
He’s incredibly out of touch
I need a disc drive because I am watching 4K HDR Blu rays on PSVR2 in cinematic mode.
The ps5 is already 600 CAN so the pro is easily gonna be a 1000 machine up here?!!?
I'm hoping for some unreal trade in deal come the holiday season. I might bite for a 250-300$ max trade deal, assuming it has disk drive and there will be a killer presentation showing off the improvements
$600+$1000+8 years of subs($400?)= $2000 for a mid-high end PC from 2019(my 3080 pc cost $1600 in ‘20), with no mods, more expensive games(and less of them), and a closed ecosystem.
Do you know what currency conversion is? By your logic PS5 should cost 500 YEN too?
@@Glotttis the currency conversion is what he said. Its $650(base”, and if the price is $6-700 usd for the PRO then it will be close to $1000. And subs are $70/year. Its total garbage for what looks like a console that at best will be inline with the 6800(non xt) matched with a low end processor from 6 years ago.
Maybe annihilating Xbox wasn’t so good…
There is nothing wrong with a VR game only using the VR as a 3D display with a normal third person camera
Let us in a sense get bespoke shall we.
I guess if Obsidian is happy with 30fps in their latest game, I'll be happy with not playing it. :D
There is always some sort of excuse for why "it's OK" for a game to run at 30fps.
"it's a single-player, so it's ok"
"it's an RPG, so it's OK"
"It's not an FPS, so it's OK"
Majority of all Xbox first party games were running at 30fps at launch. Did you not play any of them? It's rare that a first party game launches at 60fps on Xbox.
@@yomamasohot6411 That being said, does it not make you scratch your head that we are stagnating at 30fps for over 20 years? I bet consoles will still rot at 30fps in 2040s.
@@9r33ks there is a simple soultion: play on a pc instead of a console ^^
@@9r33ksthis isn't a console problem at large. This is a xbox problem. PS gets a 60fps performance mode day one for all first party games. If you prefer fidelity or fps the choice is yours.
@@yomamasohot6411 i will never play on console again. It's just shit 😅 i want fidelity AND performance at the same time 😋
The hopium that Sony will suddenly become a consumer friendly company by having the PS5 Pro have any compatibility with the other console side plates is interesting.
Professionals use discs.
I GOT GOOSEBUMPS OVER HERE FOR METAL GEAR 3 SNAKE EATER REMAKE
Goosebumps on your trouser snake?
30:47 “ps5 version is ready” - clearly it was not 🤣
Yeah it’s hilarious watching people to try say it’s the series s when in reality it’s the game isn’t optimized correctly and they can’t even get it running smooth on a console 4x as powerful.
I'm playing it on Ps5. Plays smooth and looks good
@@peteparker22 fair play to you if it feels smooth, even if objectively per the tech analysis, it isn’t smooth
@@peteparker22 no worries buddy not everyone can see clear and understand the difference between smooth/rough
@@peteparker22
Get your eye's checked out😅
26:20 shout out to Puertorock77 for coining the catchy phrase “pisser” when referencing PSSR 😂 too bad Rich shot that down with quickness
Huge L on 30fps and 720p discussion. 30 fps is not enough in 2025. Poorly upscaled 720p is not enough in 2025.
I wish they'd make the styling of the PS5 Pro more tasteful, like the PS2.
I think one marketing strategy Sony could follow for the PS5 professional is to go ahead and make the review standards before games are approved on the store stricter requiring better image quality. That way they could both address the current complaints around IQ and at the same time show how new games coming to the pro would have significantly better graphics than the amateur due to the IQ requirements. That would please people who don’t care that much about graphics and don’t want to spend another $600 just to have better IQ while at the same time making a case for those that do care about graphics to upgrade.
PS5 Pro, the high IQ device.
Re: SH2. In the original game, other than the final fight, Pyramid Head always showed up unceremoniously in mundane locations. In fact, unlike SH1 and SH3, the second game did not have very obvious boss rooms; it made you fight bosses in mundane rooms. It was obviously deliberate. It's scarier to encounter Pyramid Head in a normal place than in a designated boss arena, since you then become afraid of normal places.
I understand that Tom and Oliver aren't big SH fans - and that's fine - but they'd probably be better off not making these kinds of judgements if they don't understand the original work.
No disc drive means I am not upgrading
Can u use the separated disk drive?
@@chillnspace777 Should be able to.
I've already ordered a drive this week with a 30 day return to cover all bases if it's digital only. If they sell a version for +$50 disc version then I'll return the drive after the announcement by the end of this month. I loose nothing besides gas to UPS. Good luck buying a disc drive near the PS5 Pro launch. It will sell out. It has several times already.
@orangezombies will they really do 2 sku for ps5 pro though?
@@chillnspace777 It would be strange if they did. Makes sense for 1 discless SKU at a lower price point so those who need a disc drive can just purchase it separately.
Dualsense is an amazing controller. Absolutely prefer it to Xbox controller - really hoping it gets fullest support someday.
Disc drive? Why do you think Sony have made the disc drive for the regular PS5 an add-on? Of course the Pro will be disc less and then you can buy and clip on a disc drive if you want it.
The slim came in 2 different SKUs. A digital, and a disc version. The disk version was 30 dollars cheaper vs getting a slim and buying the disc drive seperately
PS5Pro really kinda feels a bit premature, and arguably not needed, but even if you think it is needed paying $600 for a disc less console or having to pay $80 for the disc add on separately is just not worth it for a single game like Black Myth Wukong
Imagine the PS5 Pro come with a disk drive and be able to emulate any game from ps1, ps2 and ps3.
If you have the original disks you can just put them in and play
There's been no rumours of any emulation of PS3 on current hardware linked to Playstation that suggest that would happen. If you follow Playstation and the emulation community you'd know that there's quite a long way until Playstation does anything with PS3 given how complicated it is in emulation.
@@vigour6786 there have been several rumors RECENTLY that have claimed that Sony has made major strides in PS3 emulation. You don't follow it as much as you lead on I assume
That won't happen for $700
@@AnEyeRacky nope my original comment stands true and I’m right, there’s no link or rumour of Sony working on anything hardware related to anything coming soon otherwise we’d know. If you have recent rumours detailing ps3 emulation coming to new hardware please I’d love to hear it.
@@vigour6786 no, no you're not. You can't be bothered to use the very device you typed that ridiculous reply on to google that you are indeed wrong? Seriously?
There were rumors as recent as June this year 🤡
2:58 - Some very important stripes..... as they are the go faster stripes!!
30fps needs to die, period.
39:00 this is sad because all these guys keep saying series S will have compromises and want have but med settings, coming from guys that's use to super high-end PC and pixels peeping.
I just think Xbox should be games shipped with stable fps first, meaning target 60fps first than make a 30 cap mode, then clothe the visuals as needed. So FSR3.0 and AMFM2 work as needed.
Diaagree that Ps5 pro needs abbig game to accompany its unveiling. Surely its an enthusiast machine and every ps5 game enhanced, past and furture, is the selling point! Price £529.99. form factors, a fatty original ps5 lookalike.. that's my prediction
In black!
The pro doesn't even have the specs to make current games look that much better
@@peteparker22 no specs have been advertised yet. But I've zero doubt you're wrong else what would be the point.
@@peteparker22I think you are underestimating the potential of Pisser, assuming it is dlss grade.
PS5 / Xbox Series happened before machine learning upscaling just like how the PS Triple had an nvidia GPU inserted onto it before unified shaders were common in that gpu design.
It would be nice to have third-party disk drives, as we do ssd's.
Not gonna happen.
@hollyc5417 I know, unlike the ssd, the disk drive directly affects the amount of digital copies that are sold by Sony, and we know just how competitively priced those are......
@@jimbob8992would probably make piracy easier too
Doesn't Wukong run on Steam deck? Why are we doubting a Series S version?
I watched Mark Cerny's talk about PS5 architecture four times. Am I weird? Perhaps...
I'd rather have a dull rectangular PS5 that fitted well on a shelf.
This is how they'll market the PS5 pro... They'll do a teardown video and show little Easter eggs printed on the PCB. They'll also announce a chrome 'Day One' edition. Done.
haven't owned a PS5 and not planning to, but i'm also an incredibly happy Dualsense user on PC.
We've come far since the day of the Sixaxis when PCs would need third party apps to have the controllers even workable. You'll genuinely be surprised how well the Dualsense is integrated into the PC space these days. A small but ever growing number of games support DS5 specific features (all the big console PC ports tend to) and even most indie games have at least basic compatibility with this controller.
I'm using its gyro to emulate the Wii mote pointer in Dolphin! For most older games you'll get by just fine using methods like Steam Input and for very very rare occasions you'll still have DS4Windows to fall back on. But i can count the number of times i've had to use that tool on a single hand.
I can only recommend the Dualsense for any PC player and would love for Microsoft to finally bring some real additions to their controllers for the first time in over a decade. (The lack of gryo at this point is truly shameful.)
HUNT SHOWDOWN 1896 ?!?!?!?!
DF obsessed with Crysis for years but apparently forgot to deep dive into Cry Engine advancements showcased in this game.
@@youp1tralalalmao I’ve been calling for this for weeks
@@youp1tralalaYeah maybe Alex wants to do a deep dive, but doesn't have the time
John, you are not going from a 1080p base resolution to native 4K on a GPU that has 45% more power. Be realistic.
It bothers me that reflections ignore fog in SH2R.
35:17: Wukong has a skill that creates 6/7 body doubles that stay on screen for almost 40 seconds with each skill cast that can use all of your skills... Aka its the "fiery powers" if you were talking about times 6/7 AND boss, which can range for that little Wolf to high speed boars in arenas of mud...
I got the PS4 Pro and I can tell you that it wasn't worth it. There were very few games that would actually increase the frame rate from the base model. If games aren't going to look as great and run as smooth as Horizon Forbidden West then PS5 Pro is a waste.
I think the PS5 Pro will be on another level from PS4 Pro. The main selling point for the PS4 pro was 4k video streaming.
"It does not look good anymore" -- John Linneman (2:10:00)
I second that. I rather have "native checkerboard upscaling" than FSR or DLSS. Just can't stand looking at some smeary / pixelated mess anymore.
1:50:25 Xbox's hypothetical early release into next gen still doesn't make sense to me though? Releasing their new mainline console approx 2yrs early (at most) will just see short term benefit of being the most powerful console... but will see longer term issues with it being the obvious _weakest_ console for the remainder of the next gen when the PS6 releases and then compounded even further with the eventual PS6 Pro aswell.
It would be as bad, if not worse than this gen's Series S holding the generation back overall and also holding back 3rd party game releases on the Xbox platform like most recently for example Black Myth.
The only new hardware I could _maybe_ see them releasing in 2026 is a new handheld with performance capabilities close enough to their current Series S to make porting easier, then around 2027 or 2028 along side or around PS6 release date their new next gen Xbox console.
This makes the most sense to me. Also cutting a console gen short on time also cuts down the value for customers, whats to say if they do it this gen by 2 years, that they won't do it again by 4 years the following gen reducing the consoles life/value even further?? It just erodes trust for the consumer.
Doesn't PS cut each console gen short by releasing their pro versions?
I like to think a reporter is asking specific questions to each of the DF members, and their faces in the video thumbnail represent their reactions.
“John, Do you think Metal Gear Delta will appease longtime diehard fans?”
“Rich, Are you excited for PlayStation 5 Professional?”
“Tom, How is that performance mode shaping up in Silent Hill 2?”
“Oliver, Besides PC and PS5, what other platform was Black Myth Wukong originally slated to launch on?”
PS5 Pro will most likely be moved more like a loss leader to sell more base PS5s
This is a joke, right?
@@kieran.grant_nope these people are actually that deluded
Rich staring into the camera like if he didn’t have a soul anymore is fantastic 😂
I'm sure it's still in there somewhere.
The disc version needs Dolby Vision update.
37:34 As someone who has watch a bunch of streamers playing Black Myth on PS5, the answer is ppl absolutely don't give a f about all this nerd ass specs shit, that's why Sony shipped the game, cos they know the player base better than you guys.
I love that these videos serve as an antidote to Mondays.
I love digital foundry BUT every time you guys try to justify 30 fps as acceptable on console it feels like damage control. Are we all going to pretend like 60 fps games on console haven’t been around since the 2d era?
It is baffling. 30fps is headache-inducing and has ridiculously high input lag. There is NO excuse for anything to run that badly.
@@kelownatechkid yep. They just have to be diplomatic because they know is there are so many other 30 fps games in the pipeline. The minimal visual gain isn’t worth the lack in performance and they know it… but can’t say it.
When they showed the wolf fight from Wukong - I cannot describe how much it vexed me that they didn’t “lock on” to the enemy for ages! 😅😅😅
After seeing the dualsense stick edge modules always out of stock, I am 100% sure that Sony will stop making disk drive modules deliberately and kill discs eventually.
All of them want to get away from physical discs. Sony, Xbox, Nintendo. All of them
The PS5 disc drive is 120€! (This is north of 130USD!!!!).
If they force me to buy that thing for the PS5 pro I really am not sure I will do it.
Also, why does the US always get the better prices?
Because the US prices don't include tax and/or VAT.
Because the US doesn’t charge high import tariffs on those kind of products
@@gothpunkboy89 and tax isn't 100%
Oliver hitting all the right notes in his comments
The ps5 pro will probably be at a price that most gamers would not want to cross.If i have to pay 800-900$ for a console,i will stretch the budget to pick up a pc instead.
It will be 599 for the 1tb no disk drive and 699 for the 2tb possibly with the disk drive
@@xtr.7662 no way. then everyone would buy the 699 one
@@GTA6isWoke thats what they want upsell but still offer an affordable version
@@xtr.7662 700 for a console would be kinda crazy though. You add 80 for subscription. Buy a few games and it’s 1k already
@@xtr.7662 that's really optimistic on that price point. Considering they just raised console prices in Japan. Sony is not trying to take a loss on consoles anymore. $649 at the least,and the only difference will be with disc drive and without disc drive. Pro consoles are a niche market I don't see them making that many sku's.
John, in regards to image quality and 4k resolution being a selling point, it will be a selling this time because resolutions have dropped so low.
Aren't high end gaming PC's without disc drives for enthusiasts too?
I'd say the lack of a disc drive on the PS5 Pro is to keep the cost more attractive and not to scare off potential buyer's..you can always add one later for extra cost and Sony probably have a lot of them they need to move.
If the Pro model can do 4k/60fps(using PSSR)without the need to choose either a 30 fps fidelity mode, 60fps lower resolution performance mode or a balance 40fps mode it will sell handsomely